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  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,603

    Trump's been in a spat with a Saudi prince:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35083150

    Does make me wonder how characters from classical history might have used Twitter. Caligula would've been the worst troll in the world.

    On the other hand, some of the greatest (in the good and bad sense) people in history would probably lose a lot of their allure if we saw their unvarnished thoughts as on twitter. They'd cease to be figures of awe or terror, and more normal people with stupid thoughts like anyone else. I feel like Hannibal crossing the alps would be less impactful if he'd live tweeted the whole thing, complaining about the cold and so on.
  • Alistair said:

    Scottish Sub-sample watch

    SNP 45%, Con 21%, Lab 14%, LD 10%, UKIP 6%, Greens 4%

    I call Scottish Tory surge

    Tipping point?
    Con gain Glasgow Kelvin at 50/1.

    Just saying
    It's no "SNP gain East Dunbartonshire" is it?
    SNP gain Berwickshire, Roxborough and Selkirk was the bet of election night that caused me real anguish.

    66/1 winner vs the Tories becoming the second largest party in Scotland (and the Pandas bet too)
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,227

    Pulpstar said:

    How are Man United 4th in the table ? They look complete garbage. 2-1 has flattered them.

    There are 6 teams in the Premier League within the M25. Chelsea are currently 6th.

    Moreover there are 8 English teams south of the Watford Gap. Chelsea are currently 8th. (This is slightly cheating, as they have a game in hand over Bournemouth, but still.)
    Just backed Chelsea at 8/1 for top four, I don't necessarily think they will achieve it but three wins on the spin will make it a good bet to trade
    And are you confident of winning the next three? Leicester aren't top by luck and Sunderland caused us problems last weekend.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,047

    Alistair said:

    Scottish Sub-sample watch

    SNP 45%, Con 21%, Lab 14%, LD 10%, UKIP 6%, Greens 4%

    I call Scottish Tory surge

    Tipping point?
    Con gain Glasgow Kelvin at 50/1.

    Just saying
    It's no "SNP gain East Dunbartonshire" is it?
    SNP gain Berwickshire, Roxborough and Selkirk was the bet of election night that caused me real anguish.

    66/1 winner vs the Tories becoming the second largest party in Scotland (and the Pandas bet too)
    Well, we are second in Scotland. ;)
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    edited December 2015
    Whoever is updating the Wiki polls list - the ComRes / Daily Mail poll for November is missing:

    http://www.comres.co.uk/polls/daily-mail-political-poll-november-2015/
  • tlg86 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    How are Man United 4th in the table ? They look complete garbage. 2-1 has flattered them.

    There are 6 teams in the Premier League within the M25. Chelsea are currently 6th.

    Moreover there are 8 English teams south of the Watford Gap. Chelsea are currently 8th. (This is slightly cheating, as they have a game in hand over Bournemouth, but still.)
    Just backed Chelsea at 8/1 for top four, I don't necessarily think they will achieve it but three wins on the spin will make it a good bet to trade
    And are you confident of winning the next three? Leicester aren't top by luck and Sunderland caused us problems last weekend.
    Not confident of winning a corner at the moment, but if we go on a run the market will panic just because it's Chelsea/Mourinho. This is a trading bet on the basis that at some point soon that run will happen.

    Just noticed that Leicester's last game of the season is at Chelsea, he is hugely loved at Chelsea and if they won the title at Stamford Bridge the Chelsea fans would love it.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    Not sure if already discussed but on Monday Lab is going to push the votes for 16 in EU ref again:

    The previous amendment has been voted down by the Commons and the Lords will have to accept as deemed money resolution by the Clerks.

    So Lab is now going for another amendment to supposedly avoid any cost.

    See link for what they are tabling:

    http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/lbill/2015-2016/0081/amend/am081-a.htm

    Goodness knows what will happen - Lab/LD Lords must be almost certain to pass the amendment - then it's "ping pong" with the Commons - wonder if it could turn into an all nighter?
  • MikeL said:

    Not sure if already discussed but on Monday Lab is going to push the votes for 16 in EU ref again:

    The previous amendment has been voted down by the Commons and the Lords will have to accept as deemed money resolution by the Clerks.

    So Lab is now going for another amendment to supposedly avoid any cost.

    See link for what they are tabling:

    http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/lbill/2015-2016/0081/amend/am081-a.htm

    Goodness knows what will happen - Lab/LD Lords must be almost certain to pass the amendment - then it's "ping pong" with the Commons - wonder if it could turn into an all nighter?

    I had read the other day that it might not pass because Crossbenchers and more sensible Lib Dem/Lab peers realise messing around with a money bill is going too far.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723

    MikeL said:

    Not sure if already discussed but on Monday Lab is going to push the votes for 16 in EU ref again:

    The previous amendment has been voted down by the Commons and the Lords will have to accept as deemed money resolution by the Clerks.

    So Lab is now going for another amendment to supposedly avoid any cost.

    See link for what they are tabling:

    http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/lbill/2015-2016/0081/amend/am081-a.htm

    Goodness knows what will happen - Lab/LD Lords must be almost certain to pass the amendment - then it's "ping pong" with the Commons - wonder if it could turn into an all nighter?

    I had read the other day that it might not pass because Crossbenchers and more sensible Lib Dem/Lab peers realise messing around with a money bill is going too far.
    Yes - but it won't be a Money Bill any more!

    See link - they'll accept Baroness Anelay's motion (probably without a vote) but then pass Baroness Morgan's motion. That will then go to Commons - where they hope the Clerks will rule it is NOT a Money Bill any more!

    http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/lbill/2015-2016/0081/amend/am081-a.htm
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,182
    edited December 2015
    RobD said:

    Alistair said:

    Scottish Sub-sample watch

    SNP 45%, Con 21%, Lab 14%, LD 10%, UKIP 6%, Greens 4%

    I call Scottish Tory surge

    Tipping point?
    Con gain Glasgow Kelvin at 50/1.

    Just saying
    It's no "SNP gain East Dunbartonshire" is it?
    SNP gain Berwickshire, Roxborough and Selkirk was the bet of election night that caused me real anguish.

    66/1 winner vs the Tories becoming the second largest party in Scotland (and the Pandas bet too)
    Well, we are second in Scotland. ;)
    Secundus inter pares (apols for any dogginess).
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,227

    tlg86 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    How are Man United 4th in the table ? They look complete garbage. 2-1 has flattered them.

    There are 6 teams in the Premier League within the M25. Chelsea are currently 6th.

    Moreover there are 8 English teams south of the Watford Gap. Chelsea are currently 8th. (This is slightly cheating, as they have a game in hand over Bournemouth, but still.)
    Just backed Chelsea at 8/1 for top four, I don't necessarily think they will achieve it but three wins on the spin will make it a good bet to trade
    And are you confident of winning the next three? Leicester aren't top by luck and Sunderland caused us problems last weekend.
    Not confident of winning a corner at the moment, but if we go on a run the market will panic just because it's Chelsea/Mourinho. This is a trading bet on the basis that at some point soon that run will happen.

    Just noticed that Leicester's last game of the season is at Chelsea, he is hugely loved at Chelsea and if they won the title at Stamford Bridge the Chelsea fans would love it.
    If we assume 70 points needed to make the Top 4 - it could be more, it could be less - then Chelsea need 55 points from 23 games which is effectively title winning form.

    But as you say it's a trading bet you might be able to make something.
  • MikeL said:

    MikeL said:

    Not sure if already discussed but on Monday Lab is going to push the votes for 16 in EU ref again:

    The previous amendment has been voted down by the Commons and the Lords will have to accept as deemed money resolution by the Clerks.

    So Lab is now going for another amendment to supposedly avoid any cost.

    See link for what they are tabling:

    http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/lbill/2015-2016/0081/amend/am081-a.htm

    Goodness knows what will happen - Lab/LD Lords must be almost certain to pass the amendment - then it's "ping pong" with the Commons - wonder if it could turn into an all nighter?

    I had read the other day that it might not pass because Crossbenchers and more sensible Lib Dem/Lab peers realise messing around with a money bill is going too far.
    Yes - but it won't be a Money Bill any more!

    See link - they'll accept Baroness Anelay's motion (probably without a vote) but then pass Baroness Morgan's motion. That will then go to Commons - where they hope the Clerks will rule it is NOT a Money Bill any more!

    http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/lbill/2015-2016/0081/amend/am081-a.htm
    Dave has two nuclear options

    1) Flood the Lords with 400 new peers including myself and JohnO

    2) Just stick every bit of govt legislation as part of next year's budget
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    If Leicester beat Chelsea on Mon night they go TWENTY points ahead of Chelsea.

    Leicester then have to be firmly in the equation re Chelsea's chances of top 4 - to catch up 20 points would require a significant Leicester downturn, whatever Chelsea does.
  • tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    How are Man United 4th in the table ? They look complete garbage. 2-1 has flattered them.

    There are 6 teams in the Premier League within the M25. Chelsea are currently 6th.

    Moreover there are 8 English teams south of the Watford Gap. Chelsea are currently 8th. (This is slightly cheating, as they have a game in hand over Bournemouth, but still.)
    Just backed Chelsea at 8/1 for top four, I don't necessarily think they will achieve it but three wins on the spin will make it a good bet to trade
    And are you confident of winning the next three? Leicester aren't top by luck and Sunderland caused us problems last weekend.
    Not confident of winning a corner at the moment, but if we go on a run the market will panic just because it's Chelsea/Mourinho. This is a trading bet on the basis that at some point soon that run will happen.

    Just noticed that Leicester's last game of the season is at Chelsea, he is hugely loved at Chelsea and if they won the title at Stamford Bridge the Chelsea fans would love it.
    If we assume 70 points needed to make the Top 4 - it could be more, it could be less - then Chelsea need 55 points from 23 games which is effectively title winning form.

    But as you say it's a trading bet you might be able to make something.
    If they win at Leicester they will be 6/1
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,227

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    How are Man United 4th in the table ? They look complete garbage. 2-1 has flattered them.

    There are 6 teams in the Premier League within the M25. Chelsea are currently 6th.

    Moreover there are 8 English teams south of the Watford Gap. Chelsea are currently 8th. (This is slightly cheating, as they have a game in hand over Bournemouth, but still.)
    Just backed Chelsea at 8/1 for top four, I don't necessarily think they will achieve it but three wins on the spin will make it a good bet to trade
    And are you confident of winning the next three? Leicester aren't top by luck and Sunderland caused us problems last weekend.
    Not confident of winning a corner at the moment, but if we go on a run the market will panic just because it's Chelsea/Mourinho. This is a trading bet on the basis that at some point soon that run will happen.

    Just noticed that Leicester's last game of the season is at Chelsea, he is hugely loved at Chelsea and if they won the title at Stamford Bridge the Chelsea fans would love it.
    If we assume 70 points needed to make the Top 4 - it could be more, it could be less - then Chelsea need 55 points from 23 games which is effectively title winning form.

    But as you say it's a trading bet you might be able to make something.
    If they win at Leicester they will be 6/1
    Why not just bet on Chelsea to win at Leicester?
  • tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    How are Man United 4th in the table ? They look complete garbage. 2-1 has flattered them.

    There are 6 teams in the Premier League within the M25. Chelsea are currently 6th.

    Moreover there are 8 English teams south of the Watford Gap. Chelsea are currently 8th. (This is slightly cheating, as they have a game in hand over Bournemouth, but still.)
    Just backed Chelsea at 8/1 for top four, I don't necessarily think they will achieve it but three wins on the spin will make it a good bet to trade
    And are you confident of winning the next three? Leicester aren't top by luck and Sunderland caused us problems last weekend.
    Not confident of winning a corner at the moment, but if we go on a run the market will panic just because it's Chelsea/Mourinho. This is a trading bet on the basis that at some point soon that run will happen.

    Just noticed that Leicester's last game of the season is at Chelsea, he is hugely loved at Chelsea and if they won the title at Stamford Bridge the Chelsea fans would love it.
    If we assume 70 points needed to make the Top 4 - it could be more, it could be less - then Chelsea need 55 points from 23 games which is effectively title winning form.

    But as you say it's a trading bet you might be able to make something.
    If they win at Leicester they will be 6/1
    Why not just bet on Chelsea to win at Leicester?
    At sub 6/4? I actually think it will be a draw, but that Chelsea will go on a run soon that will spook the market and 8/1 will be a good place to start from.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    Not much in the ComRes poll to cheer Labour. If the Conservatives are anywhere near 40%, they're home again. Nothing in the subsidiaries gives Labour much hope at present.

    Comres has been consistently worse for Labour since May than other pollsters - particularly the Sunday version. On the basis of this, there must be a fair chance that other polls will show the Tory lead back at the 5/6% level.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,545
    edited December 2015
    justin124 said:

    Not much in the ComRes poll to cheer Labour. If the Conservatives are anywhere near 40%, they're home again. Nothing in the subsidiaries gives Labour much hope at present.

    Comres has been consistently worse for Labour since May than other pollsters - particularly the Sunday version. On the basis of this, there must be a fair chance that other polls will show the Tory lead back at the 5/6% level.
    Thats one way of thinking about it...Corbynism sweeping the nation....but we also know that polls have a terrible habit of overstating Labour.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,227

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    How are Man United 4th in the table ? They look complete garbage. 2-1 has flattered them.

    There are 6 teams in the Premier League within the M25. Chelsea are currently 6th.

    Moreover there are 8 English teams south of the Watford Gap. Chelsea are currently 8th. (This is slightly cheating, as they have a game in hand over Bournemouth, but still.)
    Just backed Chelsea at 8/1 for top four, I don't necessarily think they will achieve it but three wins on the spin will make it a good bet to trade
    And are you confident of winning the next three? Leicester aren't top by luck and Sunderland caused us problems last weekend.
    Not confident of winning a corner at the moment, but if we go on a run the market will panic just because it's Chelsea/Mourinho. This is a trading bet on the basis that at some point soon that run will happen.

    Just noticed that Leicester's last game of the season is at Chelsea, he is hugely loved at Chelsea and if they won the title at Stamford Bridge the Chelsea fans would love it.
    If we assume 70 points needed to make the Top 4 - it could be more, it could be less - then Chelsea need 55 points from 23 games which is effectively title winning form.

    But as you say it's a trading bet you might be able to make something.
    If they win at Leicester they will be 6/1
    Why not just bet on Chelsea to win at Leicester?
    At sub 6/4? I actually think it will be a draw, but that Chelsea will go on a run soon that will spook the market and 8/1 will be a good place to start from.
    I don't know enough about betting markets so I can't criticize your strategy. But I think Chelsea should be a lot longer than 8/1 to finish in the top 4.

    I don't know the stats on this but I'd suggest Chelsea will have to break a record for the lowest number of points after 15 games to go on to make the top 4. The closest Arsenal have come to missing out was in 2005-06. Here's the table from 18/12/2005, the day Chelsea won 2-0 at Highbury - Arsenal's third straight defeat:

    http://tinyurl.com/qyt5jsp

    After 16 games Arsenal had 26 points and a goal difference of +7. After 15 games this season Chelsea have 15 points and a goal difference of -7.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    justin124 said:

    Not much in the ComRes poll to cheer Labour. If the Conservatives are anywhere near 40%, they're home again. Nothing in the subsidiaries gives Labour much hope at present.

    Comres has been consistently worse for Labour since May than other pollsters - particularly the Sunday version. On the basis of this, there must be a fair chance that other polls will show the Tory lead back at the 5/6% level.
    Thats one way of thinking about it...Corbynism sweeping the nation....but we also know that polls have a terrible habit of overstating Labour.
    That was not the case in 2010 - 1983 - Feb 1974.
  • justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    Not much in the ComRes poll to cheer Labour. If the Conservatives are anywhere near 40%, they're home again. Nothing in the subsidiaries gives Labour much hope at present.

    Comres has been consistently worse for Labour since May than other pollsters - particularly the Sunday version. On the basis of this, there must be a fair chance that other polls will show the Tory lead back at the 5/6% level.
    Thats one way of thinking about it...Corbynism sweeping the nation....but we also know that polls have a terrible habit of overstating Labour.
    That was not the case in 2010 - 1983 - Feb 1974.
    Keep spinning you might even convince yourself.
  • James Landale
    @BBCJLandale
    Welcome to the club, old chum #boardofdeputies https://twitter.com/nicholaswatt/status/675286446832504832
  • James Landale
    @BBCJLandale
    Welcome to the club, old chum #boardofdeputies https://twitter.com/nicholaswatt/status/675286446832504832

    Ohhhh...somebody is bitter...
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    edited December 2015

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    Not much in the ComRes poll to cheer Labour. If the Conservatives are anywhere near 40%, they're home again. Nothing in the subsidiaries gives Labour much hope at present.

    Comres has been consistently worse for Labour since May than other pollsters - particularly the Sunday version. On the basis of this, there must be a fair chance that other polls will show the Tory lead back at the 5/6% level.
    Thats one way of thinking about it...Corbynism sweeping the nation....but we also know that polls have a terrible habit of overstating Labour.
    That was not the case in 2010 - 1983 - Feb 1974.
    Keep spinning you might even convince yourself.
    I am not spinning at all - and am no Corbyn supporter. Just look at the facts - rather than fiction!
  • tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    How are Man United 4th in the table ? They look complete garbage. 2-1 has flattered them.

    There are 6 teams in the Premier League within the M25. Chelsea are currently 6th.

    Moreover there are 8 English teams south of the Watford Gap. Chelsea are currently 8th. (This is slightly cheating, as they have a game in hand over Bournemouth, but still.)
    Just backed Chelsea at 8/1 for top four, I don't necessarily think they will achieve it but three wins on the spin will make it a good bet to trade
    And are you confident of winning the next three? Leicester aren't top by luck and Sunderland caused us problems last weekend.
    Not confident of winning a corner at the moment, but if we go on a run the market will panic just because it's Chelsea/Mourinho. This is a trading bet on the basis that at some point soon that run will happen.

    Just noticed that Leicester's last game of the season is at Chelsea, he is hugely loved at Chelsea and if they won the title at Stamford Bridge the Chelsea fans would love it.
    If we assume 70 points needed to make the Top 4 - it could be more, it could be less - then Chelsea need 55 points from 23 games which is effectively title winning form.

    But as you say it's a trading bet you might be able to make something.
    If they win at Leicester they will be 6/1
    Why not just bet on Chelsea to win at Leicester?
    At sub 6/4? I actually think it will be a draw, but that Chelsea will go on a run soon that will spook the market and 8/1 will be a good place to start from.
    I don't know enough about betting markets so I can't criticize your strategy. But I think Chelsea should be a lot longer than 8/1 to finish in the top 4.

    I don't know the stats on this but I'd suggest Chelsea will have to break a record for the lowest number of points after 15 games to go on to make the top 4. The closest Arsenal have come to missing out was in 2005-06. Here's the table from 18/12/2005, the day Chelsea won 2-0 at Highbury - Arsenal's third straight defeat:

    http://tinyurl.com/qyt5jsp

    After 16 games Arsenal had 26 points and a goal difference of +7. After 15 games this season Chelsea have 15 points and a goal difference of -7.
    They should be longer than 8/1 I agree, just shows that markets are wary of them. And if they do go on a run then the markets will panic and 8/1 will be a good trading position.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    edited December 2015

    RodCrosby said:

    EPG said:



    What's the clear line that distinguishes between violence incited by "Behead those who offend Islam" and violence incited by words like "Jews are rich and grasping"? If words themselves should be free, then the only difference should be based on their consequences, and if anything more violence has been meted out to Jews as victims of generalised anti-Semitic tropes, than to victims of beheadings for offensiveness.

    Indeed. The sick blood libel - often taught across the middle east - is an example.

    The obvious and egregious examples can often be discounted. The subtle examples that are frequently repeated also do massive harm.
    A respected Italian Jewish scholar gave it some credence...
    http://www.haaretz.com/anger-after-bar-ilan-historian-suggests-blood-libels-based-in-fact-1.212510
    One scholar. And much of the pain of the blood libel is on concentrating not on what happened, but what they say is happening now. After all, most religions would find it hard to defend what has been done in that religion's name in the past.

    There is a big difference between saying: "one group of people from religion x did heinous act y," and "one group of people from religion x are doing heinous act y," which, AIUI, is at the heart of the current teaching of the libel.
    You are not aware of who you are debating with. Rod Crosby does not believe the holocaust happened....
    I subscribe to facts, and not to catchy trademarks coined decades after the events they purport to describe...

    http://tinyurl.com/zkpuna7
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,227

    James Landale
    @BBCJLandale
    Welcome to the club, old chum #boardofdeputies https://twitter.com/nicholaswatt/status/675286446832504832

    I like Nick Watt - I guess he is on the left but I think he's a pretty good analyst and has quite a good style.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,227

    They should be longer than 8/1 I agree, just shows that markets are wary of them. And if they do go on a run then the markets will panic and 8/1 will be a good trading position.

    I see Chelsea are 1000/1 to go down with Sky Bet.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    "Jeremy Corbyn critics target 100,000 new moderate members in long-term strategy to oust leader"

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/12046897/jeremy-corbyn-critics-target-moderate-labour-members.html

    This might appear difficult - but surely plausible.

    Suppose every MP (200 MPs, excluding Corbyn supporters) was personally charged with signing-up 500 new moderate members - they PERSONALLY walk the streets in their own constituencies with membership forms and they go out every day they are in their constituency until it's done.

    Would it be that difficult?
  • tlg86 said:

    They should be longer than 8/1 I agree, just shows that markets are wary of them. And if they do go on a run then the markets will panic and 8/1 will be a good trading position.

    I see Chelsea are 1000/1 to go down with Sky Bet.
    I loved being in the old Second Division, I think 83-84 was my favourite season.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    tlg86 said:

    James Landale
    @BBCJLandale
    Welcome to the club, old chum #boardofdeputies https://twitter.com/nicholaswatt/status/675286446832504832

    I like Nick Watt - I guess he is on the left but I think he's a pretty good analyst and has quite a good style.
    I think Nick Watt is excellent on Sunday Politics - unlike some other people he says what he thinks will happen in an objective way - eg he forecast Cameron to remain PM at the GE.
  • James Landale
    @BBCJLandale
    Welcome to the club, old chum #boardofdeputies https://twitter.com/nicholaswatt/status/675286446832504832

    Ohhhh...somebody is bitter...
    Two blokes leaped over by females that in recent times were their junior.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,227

    James Landale
    @BBCJLandale
    Welcome to the club, old chum #boardofdeputies https://twitter.com/nicholaswatt/status/675286446832504832

    Ohhhh...somebody is bitter...
    Two blokes leaped over by females that in recent times were their junior.
    That's when you look to move elsewhere. Nick Watt in particular should be able to get a decent job elsewhere - he'd be a loss for the Guardian - not that I read it avidly.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited December 2015

    Two blokes leaped over by females that in recent times were their junior.

    When one of the female job-sharers hails the 'statement' being made by another female executive at a paper where 20% of the readership claim to be Green voters (oddballs), you would be wise to consider whether you work for a meritocracy.
  • tlg86 said:

    James Landale
    @BBCJLandale
    Welcome to the club, old chum #boardofdeputies https://twitter.com/nicholaswatt/status/675286446832504832

    Ohhhh...somebody is bitter...
    Two blokes leaped over by females that in recent times were their junior.
    That's when you look to move elsewhere. Nick Watt in particular should be able to get a decent job elsewhere - he'd be a loss for the Guardian - not that I read it avidly.
    I wonder if Nick is moving to Newsnight? The Editor there loves hiring lefties and Allegra's promotion to ITV creates a slot.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,657
    chestnut said:

    James Landale
    @BBCJLandale
    Welcome to the club, old chum #boardofdeputies https://twitter.com/nicholaswatt/status/675286446832504832

    Ohhhh...somebody is bitter...
    Two blokes leaped over by females that in recent times were their junior.

    James Landale
    @BBCJLandale
    Welcome to the club, old chum #boardofdeputies https://twitter.com/nicholaswatt/status/675286446832504832

    Ohhhh...somebody is bitter...
    Two blokes leaped over by females that in recent times were their junior.
    When one of the female job-sharers hails the 'statement' being made by another female executive at a paper where 20% of the readership claim to be Green voters, you would be wise to consider whether you work for a meritocracy.
    "Meritocracy" on PB comments = maximum of one woman in executive roles. I see.
  • tlg86 said:

    James Landale
    @BBCJLandale
    Welcome to the club, old chum #boardofdeputies https://twitter.com/nicholaswatt/status/675286446832504832

    Ohhhh...somebody is bitter...
    Two blokes leaped over by females that in recent times were their junior.
    That's when you look to move elsewhere. Nick Watt in particular should be able to get a decent job elsewhere - he'd be a loss for the Guardian - not that I read it avidly.
    I wonder if Nick is moving to Newsnight? The Editor there loves hiring lefties and Allegra's promotion to ITV creates a slot.
    That would be joining a sinking ship....
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,657
    MikeL said:

    "Jeremy Corbyn critics target 100,000 new moderate members in long-term strategy to oust leader"

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/12046897/jeremy-corbyn-critics-target-moderate-labour-members.html

    This might appear difficult - but surely plausible.

    Suppose every MP (200 MPs, excluding Corbyn supporters) was personally charged with signing-up 500 new moderate members - they PERSONALLY walk the streets in their own constituencies with membership forms and they go out every day they are in their constituency until it's done.

    Would it be that difficult?

    Empathising with that kind of target audience for a second, I would probably ask "why the F would I join the Stop the War party and volunteer for cyberbullying by trying to Stop the Stop the War"?
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited December 2015
    EPG said:

    "Meritocracy" on PB comments = maximum of one woman in executive roles. I see.

    One per job, I would have thought.

    Deciding you need a pair of female job sharers all looks a bit odd really, doesn't it?

    That's why one of them mentioned the decision maker making 'a statement', doesn't it?

  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    edited December 2015
    chestnut said:

    Two blokes leaped over by females that in recent times were their junior.

    When one of the female job-sharers hails the 'statement' being made by another female executive at a paper where 20% of the readership claim to be Green voters (oddballs), you would be wise to consider whether you work for a meritocracy.
    Amazing promotion for the Sky lady. Was at least 4th in their hierachy on politics and now joint top at the Guardian. Maybe Nick could not agree to working for half pay in a job share and that arrangement is more suitable to working mothers who have a partner earning full time.... Just like a lot of young female GPs.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,227
    chestnut said:

    EPG said:

    "Meritocracy" on PB comments = maximum of one woman in executive roles. I see.

    One per job, I would have thought.

    Deciding you need a pair of female job sharers all looks a bit odd really, doesn't it?

    That's why one of them mentioned the decision maker making 'a statement', doesn't it?

    Well I suppose it helps with any child caring duties....
  • Anushka Asthana will fit in perfectly at the Guardian...another public school and Cambridge educated lefty...
  • tlg86 said:

    James Landale
    @BBCJLandale
    Welcome to the club, old chum #boardofdeputies https://twitter.com/nicholaswatt/status/675286446832504832

    Ohhhh...somebody is bitter...
    Two blokes leaped over by females that in recent times were their junior.
    That's when you look to move elsewhere. Nick Watt in particular should be able to get a decent job elsewhere - he'd be a loss for the Guardian - not that I read it avidly.
    I wonder if Nick is moving to Newsnight? The Editor there loves hiring lefties and Allegra's promotion to ITV creates a slot.
    That would be joining a sinking ship....
    If Guido is right. It has lost its spark, even before Paxman left. The trick that ITV News at Ten have used is to spend more time on key stories and allow the reporter/expert time to explain. Something Newsnight does superficially and prefers mindless discussion...
  • Anushka Asthana will fit in perfectly at the Guardian...another public school and Cambridge educated lefty...

    "Meritocracy my ars*" Ricky....
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,545
    edited December 2015

    tlg86 said:

    James Landale
    @BBCJLandale
    Welcome to the club, old chum #boardofdeputies https://twitter.com/nicholaswatt/status/675286446832504832

    Ohhhh...somebody is bitter...
    Two blokes leaped over by females that in recent times were their junior.
    That's when you look to move elsewhere. Nick Watt in particular should be able to get a decent job elsewhere - he'd be a loss for the Guardian - not that I read it avidly.
    I wonder if Nick is moving to Newsnight? The Editor there loves hiring lefties and Allegra's promotion to ITV creates a slot.
    That would be joining a sinking ship....
    If Guido is right. It has lost its spark, even before Paxman left. The trick that ITV News at Ten have used is to spend more time on key stories and allow the reporter/expert time to explain. Something Newsnight does superficially and prefers mindless discussion...
    Paxman just didn't give a s##t way before he left, and now we have Evan "I can't stop talking over the top of people" Davis, joined by a team of ex-Guardianistas. It is totally self absorbed lefty w##kfest. And given the ratings, that isn't just my view.
  • shiney2shiney2 Posts: 672
    If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/attacking-trump-makes-his-supporters-like-him-more-focus-group-shows-a6769171.html#gallery


    About those 500k votes - did they know they were actually voting in support of The Donald?

    The Force is strong in this one.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,574

    Not much in the ComRes poll to cheer Labour. If the Conservatives are anywhere near 40%, they're home again. Nothing in the subsidiaries gives Labour much hope at present.

    Well, a 4 point reduction in the lead is a decent step from the grim poll last month, and Corbyn's positive support base remains well above Ed's and is continuing to shrug off all the media battering.

    But yes, 39-40% is comfortable for the Tories. I think that a Labour recovery will need to await stabilisation - there will come a point where the anti-Corbyn people will need to either (a) succeed in shifting him (b) leave or (c) shut up or find they're getting ignored (there's a limit to how often you can moan about the same thing and get reported). But I don't think we'll see it happen before May.
  • Anushka Asthana will fit in perfectly at the Guardian...another public school and Cambridge educated lefty...

    "Meritocracy my ars*" Ricky....
    If you want to get banned from "Comment is Free", listing the fact that the vast majority of Guardianistas are public school / Oxbridge educated for some reason really pisses them off. Personally, I like to see the best educated / best qualified person for the job...
  • Not much in the ComRes poll to cheer Labour. If the Conservatives are anywhere near 40%, they're home again. Nothing in the subsidiaries gives Labour much hope at present.

    Well, a 4 point reduction in the lead is a decent step from the grim poll last month, and Corbyn's positive support base remains well above Ed's and is continuing to shrug off all the media battering.

    But yes, 39-40% is comfortable for the Tories. I think that a Labour recovery will need to await stabilisation - there will come a point where the anti-Corbyn people will need to either (a) succeed in shifting him (b) leave or (c) shut up or find they're getting ignored (there's a limit to how often you can moan about the same thing and get reported). But I don't think we'll see it happen before May.
    Its regression to the mean...Next...
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    edited December 2015

    tlg86 said:

    James Landale
    @BBCJLandale
    Welcome to the club, old chum #boardofdeputies https://twitter.com/nicholaswatt/status/675286446832504832

    Ohhhh...somebody is bitter...
    Two blokes leaped over by females that in recent times were their junior.
    That's when you look to move elsewhere. Nick Watt in particular should be able to get a decent job elsewhere - he'd be a loss for the Guardian - not that I read it avidly.
    I wonder if Nick is moving to Newsnight? The Editor there loves hiring lefties and Allegra's promotion to ITV creates a slot.
    That would be joining a sinking ship....
    If Guido is right. It has lost its spark, even before Paxman left. The trick that ITV News at Ten have used is to spend more time on key stories and allow the reporter/expert time to explain. Something Newsnight does superficially and prefers mindless discussion...
    Paxman just didn't give a s##t way before he left, and now we have Evan "I can't stop talking over the top of people" Davis, joined by a team of ex-Guardianistas. It is totally self absorbed lefty w##kfest. And given the ratings, that isn't just my view.
    I do like the use of John Sweeney he is a proper journalist. More of him please. He does not have much chance as he is grammar school not public school.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    I have never encountered job sharing at a senior level which actually works. A significant amount of time is usually wasted on handovers.
  • Anushka Asthana will fit in perfectly at the Guardian...another public school and Cambridge educated lefty...

    "Meritocracy my ars*" Ricky....
    If you want to get banned from "Comment is Free", listing the fact that the vast majority of Guardianistas are public school / Oxbridge educated for some reason really pisses them off. Personally, I like to see the best educated / best qualified person for the job...
    The Guardian spends its time decrying public schools yet is dominated by the public school educated hacks.... A case of do as I say not as I do.
  • MP_SE said:

    I have never encountered job sharing at a senior level which actually works. A significant amount of time is usually wasted on handovers.

    Kevin Maguire manages to do it part time ;-)
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,034
    van Gaal always reminds me of The Fast Show's Swiss Tony.

    "Managing Manchester United is like making love to a beautiful woman. I get to fuck both of them..."
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,034

    Not much in the ComRes poll to cheer Labour. If the Conservatives are anywhere near 40%, they're home again. Nothing in the subsidiaries gives Labour much hope at present.

    Well, a 4 point reduction in the lead is a decent step from the grim poll last month, and Corbyn's positive support base remains well above Ed's and is continuing to shrug off all the media battering.

    But yes, 39-40% is comfortable for the Tories. I think that a Labour recovery will need to await stabilisation - there will come a point where the anti-Corbyn people will need to either (a) succeed in shifting him (b) leave or (c) shut up or find they're getting ignored (there's a limit to how often you can moan about the same thing and get reported). But I don't think we'll see it happen before May.
    That stabilisation is never coming....
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,545
    edited December 2015
    BBC accused of taking £250,000 'taxpayer-funded bung' to move Sports Personality of the Year to Belfast

    Northern Irish tourist board and Belfast City Council paid BBC six-figure sum, after corporation's governing body relaxed seven-year sponsorship ban

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/bbc/12046832/BBC-took-250000-taxpayer-funded-bung-to-move-Sports-Personality-of-the-Year-to-Belfast.html

    No advertising on the BBC....

    It is all such a nonsense. Ever been on the BBC website when you have been abroad....adverts, adverts, adverts..
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/12047809/David-Camerons-climbdown-on-EU-benefits.html

    David Cameron is preparing to make a dramatic climbdown in his negotiations with the European Union by abandoning his central demand for welfare reform.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,047

    BBC accused of taking £250,000 'taxpayer-funded bung' to move Sports Personality of the Year to Belfast

    Northern Irish tourist board and Belfast City Council paid BBC six-figure sum, after corporation's governing body relaxed seven-year sponsorship ban

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/bbc/12046832/BBC-took-250000-taxpayer-funded-bung-to-move-Sports-Personality-of-the-Year-to-Belfast.html

    No advertising on the BBC....

    It is all such a nonsense. Ever been on the BBC website when you have been abroad....adverts, adverts, adverts..

    Adverts on the foreign site make sense, otherwise British taxpayers would be paying for everyone to visit the site, which isn't exactly fair.
  • RobD said:

    BBC accused of taking £250,000 'taxpayer-funded bung' to move Sports Personality of the Year to Belfast

    Northern Irish tourist board and Belfast City Council paid BBC six-figure sum, after corporation's governing body relaxed seven-year sponsorship ban

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/bbc/12046832/BBC-took-250000-taxpayer-funded-bung-to-move-Sports-Personality-of-the-Year-to-Belfast.html

    No advertising on the BBC....

    It is all such a nonsense. Ever been on the BBC website when you have been abroad....adverts, adverts, adverts..

    Adverts on the foreign site make sense, otherwise British taxpayers would be paying for everyone to visit the site, which isn't exactly fair.
    I don't have a problem, my point was this stupid situation where the BBC gets itself wrapped up in not taking advertising money, but then they do, but they don't, but do, but claim that if they were ever made to do so, it would impact their impartiality....
  • Moses_ said:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/12047809/David-Camerons-climbdown-on-EU-benefits.html

    David Cameron is preparing to make a dramatic climbdown in his negotiations with the European Union by abandoning his central demand for welfare reform.

    And in other news...bears found shitting in woods, pope is catholic and the BBC screaming about winter crisis in the NHS...
  • @HawkinsUSA

    According to Drudge, the #DMR Iowa poll:
    Cruz 29%
    Trump 22%
    Rubio 13%
    Carson 11%

    Would be about as I expected.
  • kjohnwkjohnw Posts: 1,456
    edited December 2015
    interesting article: is trump a democrat secret agent?
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35066940
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Another poll putting UKIP higher than their general election showing, Odd how that isn't matching up with local government by-elections.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,446
    RodCrosby said:


    You are not aware of who you are debating with. Rod Crosby does not believe the holocaust happened....

    I subscribe to facts, and not to catchy trademarks coined decades after the events they purport to describe...

    http://tinyurl.com/zkpuna7
    The Holocaust happened. It's not fictional.

  • kjohnw said:

    interesting article: is trump a democrat secret agent?
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35066940

    But that's like saying Corbyn is a secret Tory...
  • kjohnw said:

    interesting article: is trump a democrat secret agent?
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35066940

    But that's like saying Corbyn is a secret Tory...
    What isn't he?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,446
    RodCrosby said:


    You are not aware of who you are debating with. Rod Crosby does not believe the holocaust happened....

    I subscribe to facts, and not to catchy trademarks coined decades after the events they purport to describe...

    http://tinyurl.com/zkpuna7
    Examples of catchy trademarks coined decades after the events they purport to describe include:

    * The Dark Ages
    * The Jurassic Era (ditto the Triassic, the Cambrian, the Pleistocene...)
    * Genesis
    * The Big Bang

    But if it consoles you, you can always use "World War II". Which was coined *years* before 1939
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,446
    kjohnw said:

    ...is trump a democrat secret agent?...

    QTWTAIN

  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    edited December 2015
    DES MOINES REGISTER AND TRIBUNE COMPANY

    Seven weeks from the caucuses, Ted Cruz is crushing it in Iowa.

    The anti-establishment congressional agitator has made a rapid ascent into the lead in the GOP presidential race here, with a 21 percentage-point leap that smashes records for upsurges in recent Iowa caucuses history.

    Donald Trump, now 10 points below Cruz, was in a pique about not being front-runner even before the Iowa Poll results were announced Saturday evening. He wasted no time in tearing into Cruz — and the poll — during an Iowa stop Friday night.

    Ben Carson, another "Washington outsider" candidate, has plunged 15 points from his perch at the front of the pack in October. He's now in third place.

    "Big shakeup," said J. Ann Selzer, pollster for The Des Moines Register/Bloomberg Politics Iowa Poll. "This is a sudden move into a commanding position for Cruz."

    Cruz, a Texas U.S. senator famous for defying party leaders and using government shutdown tactics to hold up funding for the Obamacare health care law and abortion provider Planned Parenthood, was the favorite of 10 percent of likely Republican caucusgoers in the last Iowa Poll in October. He's now at 31 percent.

    Carson's zenith was 28 percent in the poll two months ago. Trump's highest support was 23 percent back in August, when he led the field by 5 points.

    And there are signs Cruz may not have peaked in Iowa yet. Another 20 percent of likely caucusgoers say he's their current second choice for president. Cruz hits 51 percent support when first- and second-choice interest is combined, again leading the field.

  • Seven weeks from the caucuses, Ted Cruz is crushing it in Iowa.

    The anti-establishment congressional agitator has made a rapid ascent into the lead in the GOP presidential race here, with a 21 percentage-point leap that smashes records for upsurges in recent Iowa caucuses history.

    Donald Trump, now 10 points below Cruz, was in a pique about not being front-runner even before the Iowa Poll results were announced Saturday evening. He wasted no time in tearing into Cruz — and the poll — during an Iowa stop Friday night.

    Ben Carson, another "Washington outsider" candidate, has plunged 15 points from his perch at the front of the pack in October. He's now in third place.

    http://dmreg.co/1Y5FlLp
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited December 2015
    Donald J. Trump’s record on truth and accuracy is astonishingly poor. So far, we’ve fact-checked more than 70 Trump statements and rated fully three-quarters of them as Mostly False, False or “Pants on Fire” (we reserve this last designation for a claim that is not only inaccurate but also ridiculous).
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/13/opinion/campaign-stops/all-politicians-lie-some-lie-more-than-others.html
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited December 2015

    Seven weeks from the caucuses, Ted Cruz is crushing it in Iowa.

    The anti-establishment congressional agitator has made a rapid ascent into the lead in the GOP presidential race here, with a 21 percentage-point leap that smashes records for upsurges in recent Iowa caucuses history.

    Donald Trump, now 10 points below Cruz, was in a pique about not being front-runner even before the Iowa Poll results were announced Saturday evening. He wasted no time in tearing into Cruz — and the poll — during an Iowa stop Friday night.

    Ben Carson, another "Washington outsider" candidate, has plunged 15 points from his perch at the front of the pack in October. He's now in third place.

    http://dmreg.co/1Y5FlLp

    To win Iowa;

    Cruz is 2.37 on betfair sportsbook.
    2.5 with boylesports.

    Sadly, Shadsy is more on the ball. He's cut to 4/5
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,031
    edited December 2015
    @realDonaldTrump: New CNN Iowa poll --- Trump 33, Cruz 20. Everyone else way down! Don't trust Des Moines Register poll- biased towards Trump!

    Edit: Shouldn't that be biased against?
  • Joshua finally dispatches latest bum put in front of him.
  • Not much in the ComRes poll to cheer Labour. If the Conservatives are anywhere near 40%, they're home again. Nothing in the subsidiaries gives Labour much hope at present.

    Well, a 4 point reduction in the lead is a decent step from the grim poll last month, and Corbyn's positive support base remains well above Ed's and is continuing to shrug off all the media battering.

    But yes, 39-40% is comfortable for the Tories. I think that a Labour recovery will need to await stabilisation - there will come a point where the anti-Corbyn people will need to either (a) succeed in shifting him (b) leave or (c) shut up or find they're getting ignored (there's a limit to how often you can moan about the same thing and get reported). But I don't think we'll see it happen before May.
    who has Corbyn appealed on behalf of this week?
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    As someone who's been skeptical of Trump's poll lead for a while (even now we are far enough from Iowa for everything to change) I have to be skeptical of this poll's predictive power too. Still, better than another Trump lead.
  • Not much in the ComRes poll to cheer Labour. If the Conservatives are anywhere near 40%, they're home again. Nothing in the subsidiaries gives Labour much hope at present.

    Well, a 4 point reduction in the lead is a decent step from the grim poll last month, and Corbyn's positive support base remains well above Ed's and is continuing to shrug off all the media battering.

    But yes, 39-40% is comfortable for the Tories. I think that a Labour recovery will need to await stabilisation - there will come a point where the anti-Corbyn people will need to either (a) succeed in shifting him (b) leave or (c) shut up or find they're getting ignored (there's a limit to how often you can moan about the same thing and get reported). But I don't think we'll see it happen before May.
    who has Corbyn appealed on behalf of this week?
    Granny robbers looking for bail?
  • Pong said:

    Seven weeks from the caucuses, Ted Cruz is crushing it in Iowa.

    The anti-establishment congressional agitator has made a rapid ascent into the lead in the GOP presidential race here, with a 21 percentage-point leap that smashes records for upsurges in recent Iowa caucuses history.

    Donald Trump, now 10 points below Cruz, was in a pique about not being front-runner even before the Iowa Poll results were announced Saturday evening. He wasted no time in tearing into Cruz — and the poll — during an Iowa stop Friday night.

    Ben Carson, another "Washington outsider" candidate, has plunged 15 points from his perch at the front of the pack in October. He's now in third place.

    http://dmreg.co/1Y5FlLp

    To win Iowa;

    Cruz is 2.37 on betfair sportsbook.
    2.5 with boylesports.

    Sadly, Shadsy is more on the ball. He's cut to 4/5
    I think I've allowed my dislike of Trump colour my betting position.

    I hope this Des Moines Register poll is right and a harbinger of things to come for the odious Trump.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Well I'm glad I put some cash on Cruz earlier today.
  • EPG said:

    MikeL said:

    "Jeremy Corbyn critics target 100,000 new moderate members in long-term strategy to oust leader"

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/12046897/jeremy-corbyn-critics-target-moderate-labour-members.html

    This might appear difficult - but surely plausible.

    Suppose every MP (200 MPs, excluding Corbyn supporters) was personally charged with signing-up 500 new moderate members - they PERSONALLY walk the streets in their own constituencies with membership forms and they go out every day they are in their constituency until it's done.

    Would it be that difficult?

    Empathising with that kind of target audience for a second, I would probably ask "why the F would I join the Stop the War party and volunteer for cyberbullying by trying to Stop the Stop the War"?
    Correct. Its all too late. If they can find 100,000 then why not start a new party with them?
    But then again when even PB is filled with people in total denial of what is happening in the real world ... we should not be surprised.
  • AndyJS said:
    Sad to see after they pulled out of the Commonwealth two years ago.
  • Pong said:

    Seven weeks from the caucuses, Ted Cruz is crushing it in Iowa.

    The anti-establishment congressional agitator has made a rapid ascent into the lead in the GOP presidential race here, with a 21 percentage-point leap that smashes records for upsurges in recent Iowa caucuses history.

    Donald Trump, now 10 points below Cruz, was in a pique about not being front-runner even before the Iowa Poll results were announced Saturday evening. He wasted no time in tearing into Cruz — and the poll — during an Iowa stop Friday night.

    Ben Carson, another "Washington outsider" candidate, has plunged 15 points from his perch at the front of the pack in October. He's now in third place.

    http://dmreg.co/1Y5FlLp

    To win Iowa;

    Cruz is 2.37 on betfair sportsbook.
    2.5 with boylesports.

    Sadly, Shadsy is more on the ball. He's cut to 4/5
    I think I've allowed my dislike of Trump colour my betting position.

    I hope this Des Moines Register poll is right and a harbinger of things to come for the odious Trump.
    I guess you've gone ahead and signed the petition?
  • Pong said:

    Seven weeks from the caucuses, Ted Cruz is crushing it in Iowa.

    The anti-establishment congressional agitator has made a rapid ascent into the lead in the GOP presidential race here, with a 21 percentage-point leap that smashes records for upsurges in recent Iowa caucuses history.

    Donald Trump, now 10 points below Cruz, was in a pique about not being front-runner even before the Iowa Poll results were announced Saturday evening. He wasted no time in tearing into Cruz — and the poll — during an Iowa stop Friday night.

    Ben Carson, another "Washington outsider" candidate, has plunged 15 points from his perch at the front of the pack in October. He's now in third place.

    http://dmreg.co/1Y5FlLp

    To win Iowa;

    Cruz is 2.37 on betfair sportsbook.
    2.5 with boylesports.

    Sadly, Shadsy is more on the ball. He's cut to 4/5
    I think I've allowed my dislike of Trump colour my betting position.

    I hope this Des Moines Register poll is right and a harbinger of things to come for the odious Trump.
    I guess you've gone ahead and signed the petition?
    Nope.

    We should invite him here and let him go on HIGNFY with Boris as Presenter.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,446

    Pong said:

    Seven weeks from the caucuses, Ted Cruz is crushing it in Iowa.

    The anti-establishment congressional agitator has made a rapid ascent into the lead in the GOP presidential race here, with a 21 percentage-point leap that smashes records for upsurges in recent Iowa caucuses history.

    Donald Trump, now 10 points below Cruz, was in a pique about not being front-runner even before the Iowa Poll results were announced Saturday evening. He wasted no time in tearing into Cruz — and the poll — during an Iowa stop Friday night.

    Ben Carson, another "Washington outsider" candidate, has plunged 15 points from his perch at the front of the pack in October. He's now in third place.

    http://dmreg.co/1Y5FlLp

    To win Iowa;

    Cruz is 2.37 on betfair sportsbook.
    2.5 with boylesports.

    Sadly, Shadsy is more on the ball. He's cut to 4/5
    I think I've allowed my dislike of Trump colour my betting position.

    I hope this Des Moines Register poll is right and a harbinger of things to come for the odious Trump.
    I guess you've gone ahead and signed the petition?
    Nope.

    We should invite him here and let him go on HIGNFY with Boris as Presenter.
    The only time Boris and Trump should be on the same stage is at an Adulterers With Implausible Hair convention

    (and before you delete it Mike, Trump and BoJo's adultery are public record in courts-of-law)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,698
    viewcode said:

    Pong said:

    Seven weeks from the caucuses, Ted Cruz is crushing it in Iowa.

    The anti-establishment congressional agitator has made a rapid ascent into the lead in the GOP presidential race here, with a 21 percentage-point leap that smashes records for upsurges in recent Iowa caucuses history.

    Donald Trump, now 10 points below Cruz, was in a pique about not being front-runner even before the Iowa Poll results were announced Saturday evening. He wasted no time in tearing into Cruz — and the poll — during an Iowa stop Friday night.

    Ben Carson, another "Washington outsider" candidate, has plunged 15 points from his perch at the front of the pack in October. He's now in third place.

    http://dmreg.co/1Y5FlLp

    To win Iowa;

    Cruz is 2.37 on betfair sportsbook.
    2.5 with boylesports.

    Sadly, Shadsy is more on the ball. He's cut to 4/5
    I think I've allowed my dislike of Trump colour my betting position.

    I hope this Des Moines Register poll is right and a harbinger of things to come for the odious Trump.
    I guess you've gone ahead and signed the petition?
    Nope.

    We should invite him here and let him go on HIGNFY with Boris as Presenter.
    The only time Boris and Trump should be on the same stage is at an Adulterers With Implausible Hair convention

    (and before you delete it Mike, Trump and BoJo's adultery are public record in courts-of-law)
    I'm sorry, OGH is very touchy about hair comments
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Both Tories and UKIP up since the election according to ComRes.

    The Corbyn Effect in action.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    AndyJS said:
    Sad to see after they pulled out of the Commonwealth two years ago.
    The president seems to be doing all he can to turn the country into a basket case, if it wasn't already.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,446
    rcs1000 said:

    viewcode said:

    Pong said:

    Seven weeks from the caucuses, Ted Cruz is crushing it in Iowa.

    The anti-establishment congressional agitator has made a rapid ascent into the lead in the GOP presidential race here, with a 21 percentage-point leap that smashes records for upsurges in recent Iowa caucuses history.

    Donald Trump, now 10 points below Cruz, was in a pique about not being front-runner even before the Iowa Poll results were announced Saturday evening. He wasted no time in tearing into Cruz — and the poll — during an Iowa stop Friday night.

    Ben Carson, another "Washington outsider" candidate, has plunged 15 points from his perch at the front of the pack in October. He's now in third place.

    http://dmreg.co/1Y5FlLp

    To win Iowa;

    Cruz is 2.37 on betfair sportsbook.
    2.5 with boylesports.

    Sadly, Shadsy is more on the ball. He's cut to 4/5
    I think I've allowed my dislike of Trump colour my betting position.

    I hope this Des Moines Register poll is right and a harbinger of things to come for the odious Trump.
    I guess you've gone ahead and signed the petition?
    Nope.

    We should invite him here and let him go on HIGNFY with Boris as Presenter.
    The only time Boris and Trump should be on the same stage is at an Adulterers With Implausible Hair convention

    (and before you delete it Mike, Trump and BoJo's adultery are public record in courts-of-law)
    I'm sorry, OGH is very touchy about hair comments
    Fair enough. But OGH's hair is a) plausible, b) human, and c) genetically his. I'm not sure those three epithets apply to DonBoJo, the Brangelina de nos jours
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited December 2015
    ...
  • Moses_ said:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/12047809/David-Camerons-climbdown-on-EU-benefits.html

    David Cameron is preparing to make a dramatic climbdown in his negotiations with the European Union by abandoning his central demand for welfare reform.

    I'd be a bit wary of stuff getting leaked at this point, what with brinksmanship and expectations-setting.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693

    Pong said:

    Seven weeks from the caucuses, Ted Cruz is crushing it in Iowa.

    The anti-establishment congressional agitator has made a rapid ascent into the lead in the GOP presidential race here, with a 21 percentage-point leap that smashes records for upsurges in recent Iowa caucuses history.

    Donald Trump, now 10 points below Cruz, was in a pique about not being front-runner even before the Iowa Poll results were announced Saturday evening. He wasted no time in tearing into Cruz — and the poll — during an Iowa stop Friday night.

    Ben Carson, another "Washington outsider" candidate, has plunged 15 points from his perch at the front of the pack in October. He's now in third place.

    http://dmreg.co/1Y5FlLp

    To win Iowa;

    Cruz is 2.37 on betfair sportsbook.
    2.5 with boylesports.

    Sadly, Shadsy is more on the ball. He's cut to 4/5
    I think I've allowed my dislike of Trump colour my betting position.

    I hope this Des Moines Register poll is right and a harbinger of things to come for the odious Trump.
    Working out the betting value involves getting inside the heads of a pretty batshit crazy electorate. 40% of people in that poll agree that all abortion should be totally 100% illegal - even when explicitly prompted that this means "without exceptions for rape, incest, or to save the life of the mother"

    pffff.

    http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2015/12/12/big-shakeup-iowa-poll-cruz-soars-lead/77199800/
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    AndyJS said:
    Sad to see after they pulled out of the Commonwealth two years ago.
    Yes, well there are muslim countries and muslim countries. Take Oman for example, a beautiful, stable, safe country with the nicest, most friendly people you could ever wish to meet. On the other hand there are some right shitholes. I expect Gambia to end up in the second category and well down the list too.

    Shame really, Gambia had a nascent tourist industry building some years ago, which I thought had great promise.

    Anyway, Cap'n Doc, did you see that the Indian state of Bihar is to ban alcohol as of next April. That is a 100 million people going without even a small sherry before dinner. The Bihari criminal classes must be rubbing their hands with glee at the thought of the money they will make and the power they will accrue.

  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    Sunday Times:

    "JEREMY CORBYN is a threat to national security, a former Labour defence secretary has warned amid moderates’ fears he is preparing to hand Ken Livingstone a peerage and put him in the shadow cabinet.

    Lord Hutton said the hard-left Labour leader shared the world view of the Stop the War coalition, whom he described as “tacit supporters of terrorists and other groups who want to kill and destroy British people”..........."

    NB. If Ken is given a peerage could this open up the opportunity for Cameron to appoint more Con Peers?

    Seems a bit soon after the dissolution honours list was only announced a couple of months ago - but who knows? Rifkind could be an obvious possibility.
  • AndyJS said:
    Sad to see after they pulled out of the Commonwealth two years ago.
    Yes, well there are muslim countries and muslim countries. Take Oman for example, a beautiful, stable, safe country with the nicest, most friendly people you could ever wish to meet. On the other hand there are some right shitholes. I expect Gambia to end up in the second category and well down the list too.

    Shame really, Gambia had a nascent tourist industry building some years ago, which I thought had great promise.

    Anyway, Cap'n Doc, did you see that the Indian state of Bihar is to ban alcohol as of next April. That is a 100 million people going without even a small sherry before dinner. The Bihari criminal classes must be rubbing their hands with glee at the thought of the money they will make and the power they will accrue.

    Ahoy, Mr Llama! Bihar isn't the only state:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_prohibition_in_India
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,698
    MP_SE said:

    I have never encountered job sharing at a senior level which actually works. A significant amount of time is usually wasted on handovers.

    By and large, I agree with you.

    With one caveat: my former employer, Goldman Sachs almost always had co-CEOs

    And that always seemed to work pretty well
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    Mr Jessop is no doubt getting his beauty sleep but he may be up early for the first meal and nappy change. So I'll post this now in the hope that he will see it as it is sure to get his blood pumping a little faster:

    “Driverless cars will bring great benefits to our society, the economy and road safety and we are investing millions into research and trials for the motoring of the future,” a spokesman for the DfT said.

    From today's Telegraph:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/google/12046720/Googles-meetings-with-UK-Government-over-driverless-cars-revealed.html

    There are of course already limited trials of driverless cars going on in the UK. Furthermore, I read today that some of the miners about to be made redundant from Britain's last deep coal mine are retraining as HGV drivers - poor buggers might end up having to re-skill for a third time. HGVs, as well as taxis, are the big prizes for driverless vehicles and transport companies will be amongst the early adopters.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,574

    Mr Jessop is no doubt getting his beauty sleep but he may be up early for the first meal and nappy change. So I'll post this now in the hope that he will see it as it is sure to get his blood pumping a little faster:

    “Driverless cars will bring great benefits to our society, the economy and road safety and we are investing millions into research and trials for the motoring of the future,” a spokesman for the DfT said.

    From today's Telegraph:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/google/12046720/Googles-meetings-with-UK-Government-over-driverless-cars-revealed.html

    There are of course already limited trials of driverless cars going on in the UK. Furthermore, I read today that some of the miners about to be made redundant from Britain's last deep coal mine are retraining as HGV drivers - poor buggers might end up having to re-skill for a third time. HGVs, as well as taxis, are the big prizes for driverless vehicles and transport companies will be amongst the early adopters.

    Thanks for that. Fortunately my mother-in-law's staying at the moment, so she gets all the night-time fun with the little 'un. :)

    I still stick with my position on driverless cars: much of what Google has done is smoke and mirrors, and there's a long way to go before what most people envision as 'driverless' will come about.

    I might well be wrong. But it'd be good if Google could demonstrate their cars working properly in (say) the middle of a rainstorm, in a real city (and not just selected parts), or in fog and snow.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited December 2015
    Cam climbs down from the 4 year pledge after Auntie Angela says no.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/12047809/David-Camerons-climbdown-on-EU-benefits.html

    So that leaves him three statements of the obvious for his renegotiation

    1) More competitiveness in the EU - which everyone wants
    2) More than one currency in the EU - like saying more than one language, there is, and its here to stay
    3) No tie in to the words "every closer union" - but still subject to the federalist ECJ

    In otherwords nothing.

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