The Daily Telegraph understands that British expats returning to the UK will also be denied the right to claim in-work benefits for four years, to meet EU legal requirements.
What the f*ck have they been smoking in Downing Street ? So expat couple abroad breaks up because the breadwinner runs off with another person, and the partner left with the children comes home to the UK and can't claim in-work benefits so they can support their family. Can't see that as a voter winner, or a recipe not to get involved in endless embarrassing court cases which the government will inevitably lose.
This is the thing about freedom: When you try to take away other people's, you usually also end up taking away your own.
Morning all.
Paris was simply blissful!
Since when was being given other people's money a "freedom"?
Expats seem to expect a lot for free. There's no reason why national insurance, like any other form of insurance, should pay out if you let the policy lapse.
No reason it should, it just does in many other cases, after 30 years of contributing you can push off abroad from 15 years and come back to a full state pension, and full eligibility to contribution based JSA.
Personally (even as an expat) I could care less, but politically it seems idiotic. Not giving British Citizens what we freely give to failed asylum seekers, is going to be a gift to the DM tendency and the out campaign. Regardless of what we might think about it, its going to generate a load of court cases as people's lawyers explore the inconsistencies and lots of DM headlines about Mrs Bloggs, 47 being left destitute as her husband runs off with Spanish waitress, 18, while we give the money to former eastern block pickpockets.
The idea as I understand it is not to give the money to either eastern bloc pickpockets or expats who decided previously that they could do better elsewhere. Seems reasonable enough to me.
Perhaps as a compromise we could let expats volunteer to keep paying tax and NI to keep their eligibility for social security benefits open. That seems fair enough to me.
To be fair many expats, me included, do pay UK income tax as that is the way public pensions overseas are organised. I retired early as a teacher and my teachers' pension has to pay UK income tax. That is the law.
It´s time for BRITAIN to be FREE again - Frederick Forsyth
Just to cheer you up, since you seem a bit down this morning:
I had dinner earlier this with one of the top 3 executives at a very very large American company. He was asking me, genuinely confused, why the UK stayed in the EU as he couldn't see any benefit (although he did acknowledge that we were pretty good at staying out of stuff like the Euro and Schengen that we really didn't like)
The Daily Telegraph understands that British expats returning to the UK will also be denied the right to claim in-work benefits for four years, to meet EU legal requirements.
What the f*ck have they been smoking in Downing Street ? So expat couple abroad breaks up because the breadwinner runs off with another person, and the partner left with the children comes home to the UK and can't claim in-work benefits so they can support their family. Can't see that as a voter winner, or a recipe not to get involved in endless embarrassing court cases which the government will inevitably lose.
99% of the public couldn't care less about expats' problems. And I can't see why I should be cosseting those who haven't been contributing to the state's coffers or living in Britain. Shouldn't they be claiming off the state they've made their home?
Right. I can't see "think of the poor (returning) expats" moving many votes.
I agree from the UK based public's point of view. The issue might be though that until now Remain have assumed they had the expat British vote in the bag - bearing in mind that most of the expat British community will be able to vote in the referendum. If they now see that they are being thrown to the wolves to satisfy the EU and secure a deal; they may not be so likely to vote in favour.
It might be that such people would prefer to remain on the current terms than the renegotiated ones, if the renegotiation happens to be a small piece of tinkering that just so happens to screw them. However, leave is still likely to seem a lot riskier to them, I'd have thought.
The tech world would be much better off if it had not been for Apple and the insane cult of Jobs.
Indeed - overpriced fashion tech for the rich lefty-liberals and de rigeur at the BBC. tells you all you need to know.
Apple Inc. is worth over 100 billion US dollars Therefore I find it impossible to believe that this means the technology sector could possibly be worse off without Apple and Jobs, or that it is only favoured by the pro-Eurabia multi-culti rootless cosmopolitans at the BBC
It remains an over-priced fashion item - an awful lot of people can be duped in this way - look at overpriced trainers for example.
The other problem with the proposal is that it is ripe for challenge by the ECJ. As far as the EU has always been concerned where you have lived in the EU should not dictate whether or not you get benefits. Even with a treaty agreement (which isn't going to happen any time soon) the 'discrimination' as some will claim it to be will be enough to allow the ECJ to get involved if anyone cares to mount a challenge.
You can discriminate against your own people in some circumstances. That's how the Scots can charge the English for tuition fees.
But this presumably will either need some legal changes in the EU, have additional features or apply only to expats outside the EU.
That is not discrimination , it is reciprocation, England charges Scottish students for education and Scotland reciprocates, that is equality of opportunity.
We should just be honest, the notion that people can arrive here and be given money and housing is absolutely ridiculous, I don't know who introduced it or when but it has to be stopped.
I exclude refugees, we must be prepared to offer a safe haven for people fleeing war.
Fleeing war? What is war in this context? Is it religious persecution? Is it their sexuality? That is currently a driver for many refugees. Would you take them? Would you take in refugees from one faction of Islam pursuing another faction? Not making a snide point. Just curious on how you see the boundaries. It seems to be a question Europe is grappling with too.
It's very difficult, I continually hear politicians talking about "our fair share" while refusing to commit to numbers. "Genuine asylum seekers" has replaced refugees as the expression whereby we have to accommodate more or less anybody who decides they don't like where they currently live. That amounts to millions of people and whether we want to or not we simply can't house and feed them all.
Tbh I'm not interested in religion, I upset a Christian group by saying I wouldn't give priority to Christians over other religions, I certainly wouldn't give priority based on sexuality.
Some people will get upset and accuse me of all sorts of things but we're not an enormous Barnardos Care Home, we're a small nation, drowning in debt without the resources and infrastructure to cope with an ever increasing population.
Who do we owe this debt to that we're "drowning" in? I think you'll find most of is lent to the Government by citizens.
Who we owe it to is not the issue, it's in excess of £1.5 trillion and growing all the time. Every party agrees we have to cut the deficit, none are specific about how to do it.
Debt and deficit are two different things. Still, I like your "not the issue" line - must remember it for the next time I'm asked a question I don't have the answer to
Of course they're two different things I've never suggested they're not, but they are inextricably linked. In the context of the discussion who the money is owed to is irrelevant, there must first be an acceptance that it exists. I would suggest you are evading the issue.
The tech world would be much better off if it had not been for Apple and the insane cult of Jobs.
Indeed - overpriced fashion tech for the rich lefty-liberals and de rigeur at the BBC. tells you all you need to know.
Apple Inc. is worth over 100 billion US dollars Therefore I find it impossible to believe that this means the technology sector could possibly be worse off without Apple and Jobs, or that it is only favoured by the pro-Eurabia multi-culti rootless cosmopolitans at the BBC
It remains an over-priced fashion item - an awful lot of people can be duped in this way - look at overpriced trainers for example.
It's worth what its purchaser will pay for it Lots of people probably think the things you and I like to buy are overpriced
Aren't you missing the point that the change will apply to all migrants. As it is the expat vote will be solidly for remain - mainly as many are afraid they'd lose pension entitlement/health cover in their new country without the protection of the reciprocal arrangements which apply in the UK. The leave campaign have said nothing about this and it is something which many expats are greatly concerned about. In reality it may not happen but it is a real and genuine concern.
You might well be wondering why an old Tory like me gives a damn about this... A friend of mine came here with her husband a few years ago, he was the breadwinner, she stayed at home raising the family. He left for a new girlfriend. There is no social security here, not the faintest chance of chasing the absent spouse for money, and very little chance of getting a job, so she had to return to the UK, with the proposed rules in place she would have been completely screwed at no fault of her own.
The tech world would be much better off if it had not been for Apple and the insane cult of Jobs.
Indeed - overpriced fashion tech for the rich lefty-liberals and de rigeur at the BBC. tells you all you need to know.
Apple Inc. is worth over 100 billion US dollars Therefore I find it impossible to believe that this means the technology sector could possibly be worse off without Apple and Jobs, or that it is only favoured by the pro-Eurabia multi-culti rootless cosmopolitans at the BBC
It remains an over-priced fashion item - an awful lot of people can be duped in this way - look at overpriced trainers for example.
Good morning all. I have an ancient iPad 2 (bought to support an SG project I did), but I've never bought any other Apple gear.
My daughter is head to toe Apple. She's non-technical and loves the fact that everything just works together (I bought her a Sonos system for her birthday and that's beautifully integrated into Apple's ecosystem). I can't bring myself to pay Apple's premium prices, but they're undeniably compelling for ordinary folk.
The other problem with the proposal is that it is ripe for challenge by the ECJ. As far as the EU has always been concerned where you have lived in the EU should not dictate whether or not you get benefits. Even with a treaty agreement (which isn't going to happen any time soon) the 'discrimination' as some will claim it to be will be enough to allow the ECJ to get involved if anyone cares to mount a challenge.
You can discriminate against your own people in some circumstances. That's how the Scots can charge the English for tuition fees.
But this presumably will either need some legal changes in the EU, have additional features or apply only to expats outside the EU.
That is not discrimination , it is reciprocation, England charges Scottish students for education and Scotland reciprocates, that is equality of opportunity.
A novel theory, proven false by the fact that students of the other 27 EU countries aren't charged.
The Times comments were about 90/10 in favour of what Trump said. They didn't like the way he said it/it was impractical/he's not very credible - but his point needed saying.
It says it all , the people that are affected by the mass immigration , mainly of people who do not want a British way of life, just the benefits/opportunities, can empathise with what these guys are saying. Our politicians and people who live in rich areas isolated from it do not have to suffer the impact on services, schools etc and so are able to bray their wishy washy liberalism about how good it is.
If only we had some opinion polling on the subject. Oh, we do:
Never, I was not saying I agree at all, though totally unconnected Trump does spend a lot of money in area where I live and parks his jets and helicopters here. Minimal immigration where I live so I don't have personal experience, however I can understand that it could be problematic if huge numbers of people immigrate to an area in a short time spell. It is bound to impact on many local services , jobs at the bottom end etc and so likely to at best cause some concerns. The areas mentioned fit that picture. Any sensible person should realise that you can really only assimilate a certain amount of immigration in a time period without causing issues. Problem is the stupidity of politicians in the UK, on this and many other issues from which they are personally cocooned from by their generous salary, expenses, pensions , etc. Luckily for them they do not hav eto suffer the consequences of their errors.
The tech world would be much better off if it had not been for Apple and the insane cult of Jobs.
Indeed - overpriced fashion tech for the rich lefty-liberals and de rigeur at the BBC. tells you all you need to know.
Apple Inc. is worth over 100 billion US dollars Therefore I find it impossible to believe that this means the technology sector could possibly be worse off without Apple and Jobs, or that it is only favoured by the pro-Eurabia multi-culti rootless cosmopolitans at the BBC
It remains an over-priced fashion item - an awful lot of people can be duped in this way - look at overpriced trainers for example.
Good morning all. I have an ancient iPad 2 (bought to support an SG project I did), but I've never bought any other Apple gear.
My daughter is head to toe Apple. She's non-technical and loves the fact that everything just works together (I bought her a Sonos system for her birthday and that's beautifully integrated into Apple's ecosystem). I can't bring myself to pay Apple's premium prices, but they're undeniably compelling for ordinary folk.
That's one of the problems: Apple's ecosystem. Doing things in a non-standard way just to trap people into buying more of their gear, and eschewing standards for proprietary interfaces that it is hard, if not impossible, for third parties to support.
The other problem with the proposal is that it is ripe for challenge by the ECJ. As far as the EU has always been concerned where you have lived in the EU should not dictate whether or not you get benefits. Even with a treaty agreement (which isn't going to happen any time soon) the 'discrimination' as some will claim it to be will be enough to allow the ECJ to get involved if anyone cares to mount a challenge.
You can discriminate against your own people in some circumstances. That's how the Scots can charge the English for tuition fees.
But this presumably will either need some legal changes in the EU, have additional features or apply only to expats outside the EU.
That is not discrimination , it is reciprocation, England charges Scottish students for education and Scotland reciprocates, that is equality of opportunity.
A novel theory, proven false by the fact that students of the other 27 EU countries aren't charged.
It's in any case academic, if you will forgive me the expression. The charging of UK students was, and remains, determined by residence (for a certain qualifying period) and not nationality/ethnicity, so it's misleading to talk of English being discriminated against.
It's like the locals of a given local authority getting free parking on street but visitors being charged. The fact that another area suddenly decides to charge everyone, whether (their) local or visitor, has no effect on the morality or otherwise of the original policy.
Mr. G, don't be a silly sausage. England also charges English students. Scotland does not charge Scottish students.
MD, I am afraid you are being the silly billy. We pay the Scottish students out of our pocket money , are you seriously suggesting that Scotland should fund English education as well, and on top of the swag that is already squeezed from us to tart up London.
The other problem with the proposal is that it is ripe for challenge by the ECJ. As far as the EU has always been concerned where you have lived in the EU should not dictate whether or not you get benefits. Even with a treaty agreement (which isn't going to happen any time soon) the 'discrimination' as some will claim it to be will be enough to allow the ECJ to get involved if anyone cares to mount a challenge.
You can discriminate against your own people in some circumstances. That's how the Scots can charge the English for tuition fees.
But this presumably will either need some legal changes in the EU, have additional features or apply only to expats outside the EU.
That is not discrimination , it is reciprocation, England charges Scottish students for education and Scotland reciprocates, that is equality of opportunity.
A novel theory, proven false by the fact that students of the other 27 EU countries aren't charged.
An actual funny quote from Twitter. Its Cold. if you have an elderly neighbour, pop your head around the door, see if they have a spare bedroom, then report them to the Tories
Another one from Pete Wishart, There's a SLab candidate briefing 2day & I've seen the agenda 1. SNP bad 2. How to get SNP bad across 3. How to get the media to say SNP bad
The tech world would be much better off if it had not been for Apple and the insane cult of Jobs.
Indeed - overpriced fashion tech for the rich lefty-liberals and de rigeur at the BBC. tells you all you need to know.
Apple Inc. is worth over 100 billion US dollars Therefore I find it impossible to believe that this means the technology sector could possibly be worse off without Apple and Jobs, or that it is only favoured by the pro-Eurabia multi-culti rootless cosmopolitans at the BBC
It remains an over-priced fashion item - an awful lot of people can be duped in this way - look at overpriced trainers for example.
Good morning all. I have an ancient iPad 2 (bought to support an SG project I did), but I've never bought any other Apple gear.
My daughter is head to toe Apple. She's non-technical and loves the fact that everything just works together (I bought her a Sonos system for her birthday and that's beautifully integrated into Apple's ecosystem). I can't bring myself to pay Apple's premium prices, but they're undeniably compelling for ordinary folk.
That's one of the problems: Apple's ecosystem. Doing things in a non-standard way just to trap people into buying more of their gear, and eschewing standards for proprietary interfaces that it is hard, if not impossible, for third parties to support.
It's only a problem for techies and other assorted nerds (of which I'm one). For people who just want to do things, it's great. Your argument is getting dangerously close to the lefty political argument "People would vote for us, except they're gullible simpletons led astray by the evul right wing MSM".
People like what they like - Apple tap into a demonstrably large public appetite for beautiful industrial design and simplicity. Personally, I'm offended. I raised my family in the traditional Debian ways and look how they've repaid me. Apostasy!
The other problem with the proposal is that it is ripe for challenge by the ECJ. As far as the EU has always been concerned where you have lived in the EU should not dictate whether or not you get benefits. Even with a treaty agreement (which isn't going to happen any time soon) the 'discrimination' as some will claim it to be will be enough to allow the ECJ to get involved if anyone cares to mount a challenge.
You can discriminate against your own people in some circumstances. That's how the Scots can charge the English for tuition fees.
But this presumably will either need some legal changes in the EU, have additional features or apply only to expats outside the EU.
That is not discrimination , it is reciprocation, England charges Scottish students for education and Scotland reciprocates, that is equality of opportunity.
A novel theory, proven false by the fact that students of the other 27 EU countries aren't charged.
They don't charge our students £9K a term though
That's not why Scotland doesn't charge them. Scotland doesn't charge them because it can't.
The other problem with the proposal is that it is ripe for challenge by the ECJ. As far as the EU has always been concerned where you have lived in the EU should not dictate whether or not you get benefits. Even with a treaty agreement (which isn't going to happen any time soon) the 'discrimination' as some will claim it to be will be enough to allow the ECJ to get involved if anyone cares to mount a challenge.
You can discriminate against your own people in some circumstances. That's how the Scots can charge the English for tuition fees.
But this presumably will either need some legal changes in the EU, have additional features or apply only to expats outside the EU.
That is not discrimination , it is reciprocation, England charges Scottish students for education and Scotland reciprocates, that is equality of opportunity.
A novel theory, proven false by the fact that students of the other 27 EU countries aren't charged.
They don't charge our students £9K a term though
That's not why Scotland doesn't charge them. Scotland doesn't charge them because it can't.
Regardless, why should Scotland have to fund English education just because London choose to charge. Can you explain your logic.
The other problem with the proposal is that it is ripe for challenge by the ECJ. As far as the EU has always been concerned where you have lived in the EU should not dictate whether or not you get benefits. Even with a treaty agreement (which isn't going to happen any time soon) the 'discrimination' as some will claim it to be will be enough to allow the ECJ to get involved if anyone cares to mount a challenge.
You can discriminate against your own people in some circumstances. That's how the Scots can charge the English for tuition fees.
But this presumably will either need some legal changes in the EU, have additional features or apply only to expats outside the EU.
That is not discrimination , it is reciprocation, England charges Scottish students for education and Scotland reciprocates, that is equality of opportunity.
A novel theory, proven false by the fact that students of the other 27 EU countries aren't charged.
They don't charge our students £9K a term though
That's not why Scotland doesn't charge them. Scotland doesn't charge them because it can't.
Regardless, why should Scotland have to fund English education just because London choose to charge. Can you explain your logic.
Scotland is discriminating, uniquely, against EU citizens who are British but not Scottish. Of course, the SNP like to claim that they're not anti-English. But actions speak louder than words.
But the prize of “straight-talking, honest politics” (you can use that one yourself if you like, Jeremy) must surely go to the man who, for a brief period in 2008, became the hero of the hour to every other MP. Perhaps David Clelland, the Tyne Bridge MP, had already decided not to stand at the next election, and that some early demob giddiness influenced the language he used in his response to a particularly rude constituent who accused him of putting his party’s interests before Clelland’s constituents.
His reply to such abuse deserves a granite monument all of its own: “Given your rude and offensive manner I accept your offer not to vote for me again – if indeed you ever have – I do not want your vote so you can stick it where it best pleases you.” Again it was the constituent, not the MP, who alerted the media to this ultimate crime against humanity – not an MP being rude, but an MP being rude back.
It's only a problem for techies and other assorted nerds (of which I'm one). For people who just want to do things, it's great. Your argument is getting dangerously close to the lefty political argument "People would vote for us, except they're gullible simpletons led astray by the evul right wing MSM".
People like what they like - Apple tap into a demonstrably large public appetite for beautiful industrial design and simplicity. Personally, I'm offended. I raised my family in the traditional Debian ways and look how they've repaid me. Apostasy!
No it isn't. It's a problem for anyone who has to have kit from multiple manufacturers. And since Apple's range is severely limited, that's lots of people.
I'm massively in favour of industry standards that any company can use for free, or a reasonable fee. As companies I've worked for in the past have found, Apple is not. This holds back innovation - just look at the profiteering they make on their MFi program, and the restrictions on that program.
Apple does have beautiful ID, within very prescribed limits. I'm not sure simplicity is one of their strong points though, especially nowadays.
And their business practices are exceptionally anti-competitive.
The other problem with the proposal is that it is ripe for challenge by the ECJ. As far as the EU has always been concerned where you have lived in the EU should not dictate whether or not you get benefits. Even with a treaty agreement (which isn't going to happen any time soon) the 'discrimination' as some will claim it to be will be enough to allow the ECJ to get involved if anyone cares to mount a challenge.
You can discriminate against your own people in some circumstances. That's how the Scots can charge the English for tuition fees.
But this presumably will either need some legal changes in the EU, have additional features or apply only to expats outside the EU.
Which is what I meant about the ECJ. We have no way of knowing, based on past experience, whether they will agree with the changes and as such accepting them as the basis for a referendum settlement is buying a pig in a poke.
David Herdson is almost always right but this is a case in which David Herdson is wrong. Some people thought 2010 was a good election to lose but instead it seemed to solidify the victor's worldview as an unchallengable part of national politics. Wouldn't the same happen if Trump won? It may be bad for the Republicans. But it would be shattering for the Democrats, for a large number of whom a Hillary presidency has been kind of the point for the last 16 years. Not to say that Trump is particularly likely to beat Hillary, but just to note that IF he wins, it will not just tear one party apart.
Yesterday I was teaching citizenship to a Year 9 group. They were more than a bit bewildered by the prospect of a match-up between two elderly people who have repeatedly failed in their chosen fields of endeavour, have been repeatedly investigated by the police, who have no original ideas, and whose only selling points appear to be that they are both wealthy and that one has ovaries and one hates Muslims (I paraphrase a bit, obviously).
When put that way, of course...
Whats wrong with being elderly? You have experience for instance. Anyway the purpose of the US presidency is an elected monarchy with the checks and balances of congress and the supreme court. irrespective of the age of this monarch he/she comes with an entire administration, 100's of people, of their choice which will be comprised of people of all ages.
The Times comments were about 90/10 in favour of what Trump said. They didn't like the way he said it/it was impractical/he's not very credible - but his point needed saying.
The other problem with the proposal is that it is ripe for challenge by the ECJ. As far as the EU has always been concerned where you have lived in the EU should not dictate whether or not you get benefits. Even with a treaty agreement (which isn't going to happen any time soon) the 'discrimination' as some will claim it to be will be enough to allow the ECJ to get involved if anyone cares to mount a challenge.
You can discriminate against your own people in some circumstances. That's how the Scots can charge the English for tuition fees.
But this presumably will either need some legal changes in the EU, have additional features or apply only to expats outside the EU.
That is not discrimination , it is reciprocation, England charges Scottish students for education and Scotland reciprocates, that is equality of opportunity.
A novel theory, proven false by the fact that students of the other 27 EU countries aren't charged.
It's in any case academic, if you will forgive me the expression. The charging of UK students was, and remains, determined by residence (for a certain qualifying period) and not nationality/ethnicity, so it's misleading to talk of English being discriminated against.
It's like the locals of a given local authority getting free parking on street but visitors being charged. The fact that another area suddenly decides to charge everyone, whether (their) local or visitor, has no effect on the morality or otherwise of the original policy.
Er no. Because only one set of students are being charged - those from one specific country in the EU. What it is like is a local authority saying that people from one neighbouring town must pay parking charges but everyone else can park for free.
The tech world would be much better off if it had not been for Apple and the insane cult of Jobs.
Nah. It would be shit. Who would the likes of Microsoft . Samsung have copied?
Rank Xerox at Palo Alto...
It is one of the more peculiar arguments that Apple fans propagate. When it comes to copying ideas, Apple are as much sinners as sinned against. If not more so.
As a CEO of a company said to me: how can we hope to sue them when they have many more lawyers than we do engineers?
David Herdson is almost always right but this is a case in which David Herdson is wrong. Some people thought 2010 was a good election to lose but instead it seemed to solidify the victor's worldview as an unchallengable part of national politics. Wouldn't the same happen if Trump won? It may be bad for the Republicans. But it would be shattering for the Democrats, for a large number of whom a Hillary presidency has been kind of the point for the last 16 years. Not to say that Trump is particularly likely to beat Hillary, but just to note that IF he wins, it will not just tear one party apart.
Some people always think it'll be a good election to lose; they're nearly always wrong. In fact, I wrote a thread on that basis once:
That, however, related to the UK. It's different in the US with its separation of powers. To deliver both the government and legislature is risky to the point of foolhardiness but that risk is greatly diminished in the States if you can keep control of at least one House.
There is indeed a risk to both Democrats and establishment Republicans if Trump does win outright but that's not what I expect will happen, nor is it the basis of the article. While it's true that Trump speaks to a sector of the population that mainstream politicians have left behind, he turns off great swathes as well. It is true that Hillary does the same, which is harder for us to conceptualise in Europe as her values are much closer to the norm here, but not to an equal extent. Besides, the voters that Hillary turns off aren't as deadly in their Electoral Collage consequences, which is why the basis of my piece is that Trump is a loser at a national level. If that assumption is wrong then it follows that any analysis based on it is also likely to be wrong.
That said, even if Trump does end up in the White House, it's not guaranteed that he'd be effective. He too would have to deal with Congress and the Supreme Court, neither of which would necessarily be favourably inclined to him even if the GOP hold an actual majority on one and an virtual one on the other.
It's only a problem for techies and other assorted nerds (of which I'm one). For people who just want to do things, it's great. Your argument is getting dangerously close to the lefty political argument "People would vote for us, except they're gullible simpletons led astray by the evul right wing MSM".
People like what they like - Apple tap into a demonstrably large public appetite for beautiful industrial design and simplicity. Personally, I'm offended. I raised my family in the traditional Debian ways and look how they've repaid me. Apostasy!
No it isn't. It's a problem for anyone who has to have kit from multiple manufacturers. And since Apple's range is severely limited, that's lots of people.
I'm massively in favour of industry standards that any company can use for free, or a reasonable fee. As companies I've worked for in the past have found, Apple is not. This holds back innovation - just look at the profiteering they make on their MFi program, and the restrictions on that program.
Apple does have beautiful ID, within very prescribed limits. I'm not sure simplicity is one of their strong points though, especially nowadays.
And their business practices are exceptionally anti-competitive.
You see JJ I am with you. One reason I never bought into Apple was the restriction on diversity and particularly the whole itunes restriction which offended my share and share alike sensibilities. I am basically a geeky but lazy pirate.
But I do see John's point. You and I are very much in a minority. Most people outside of nerds and geeks aren't really interested in the whole question of development or technical detail. They want something that does everything as simply as possible. They want outcomes not inputs. As such the Apple stuff is perfect for them - completely integrated, hugely reliable, simple to use with little or no technical knowledge and providing just the level of service they want.
Me, I wouldn't touch it. But that doesn't mean everyone else is wrong and it doesn't mean that Apple are baddies. They are simply providing the service people want. That is why they are successful.
The Times comments were about 90/10 in favour of what Trump said. They didn't like the way he said it/it was impractical/he's not very credible - but his point needed saying.
It is one of the more peculiar arguments that Apple fans propagate. When it comes to copying ideas, Apple are as much sinners as sinned against. If not more so.
The other problem with the proposal is that it is ripe for challenge by the ECJ. As far as the EU has always been concerned where you have lived in the EU should not dictate whether or not you get benefits. Even with a treaty agreement (which isn't going to happen any time soon) the 'discrimination' as some will claim it to be will be enough to allow the ECJ to get involved if anyone cares to mount a challenge.
You can discriminate against your own people in some circumstances. That's how the Scots can charge the English for tuition fees.
But this presumably will either need some legal changes in the EU, have additional features or apply only to expats outside the EU.
That is not discrimination , it is reciprocation, England charges Scottish students for education and Scotland reciprocates, that is equality of opportunity.
A novel theory, proven false by the fact that students of the other 27 EU countries aren't charged.
It's in any case academic, if you will forgive me the expression. The charging of UK students was, and remains, determined by residence (for a certain qualifying period) and not nationality/ethnicity, so it's misleading to talk of English being discriminated against.
It's like the locals of a given local authority getting free parking on street but visitors being charged. The fact that another area suddenly decides to charge everyone, whether (their) local or visitor, has no effect on the morality or otherwise of the original policy.
Er no. Because only one set of students are being charged - those from one specific country in the EU. What it is like is a local authority saying that people from one neighbouring town must pay parking charges but everyone else can park for free.
No it is not , England charges Scottish students and so they have a reciprocal agreement. As ever myopia from Little Englander's who want their cake and want to eat it. You just want to double charge Scotland to benefit England. Absolute bollocks, stop charging other people and expecting them to also fund your education.
That's very revealing about the difference in outlook between different social groups.
The comparison between 'working class' Plymouth Moor View, which swung to the Conservatives, and 'middle class' Plymouth Sutton, which swung to Labour, are interesting.
A similar difference occurs between Southampton Test / Southampton Itchen and Brighton Pavilion / Brighton Kemptown.
Labour has a problem with its various voting blocks:
Doncaster North - 1242 / 251
EdM really was more suited to the 'ordinary people' of Dartmouth Park than he was to his own constituency.
The thread seems to be a reasonable read. However, the two main animals in the zoo have almost become one - producing a Donkiphant or an Elidonk - that most people cannot tell the difference: much like Labour and Tory in Britain.
While it's true that most new immigrants have no time for Trump. Many of the old immigrants (the rest of the population) have found in Trump a voice that describes their feelings and deep beliefs.
Hillary, if elected, will see the completion of the present madness of the American Elite, started by Bush and continued by Obama; and who knows how that will end? But however it ends it will be a misery for the U.S. and the world.
I apologise if the above is a bit disjointed, but that the mood I'm in.
If you find Labour and Conservative indistinguishable at present I'm wondering what either party could possibly do to establish a distinction in your mind. Have its candidates appear naked, smothered in molasses?
If MikeK finds Labour and Conservative indistinguishable at present, may be he is having a senior moment?
' the SNP like to claim that they're not anti-English'
I don't think they 'like' to say that, but they feel the need to from time to time - even if doing so is entirely dishonest.
what tripe, Little Englander's are to the fore today, bigotry at its best. Get the boulder off your shoulder, is it any wonder you are known as whinging Poms and suchlike worldwide.
Another one from Pete Wishart, There's a SLab candidate briefing 2day & I've seen the agenda 1. SNP bad 2. How to get SNP bad across 3. How to get the media to say SNP bad
Uniquely, SNP government stands guilty of the possible manslaughter of 1000's of it's citizens.
If an engineer on another project hadn't noticed from the corner his eye, the crack in the FRB!
If the engineer hadn't known that it was important in a dangerous place!
If the engineer hadn't the gumption to tell his superiors!
If his superiors hadn't realised the implications of the crack!
Then sometime during this winter, when water would have condensed inside the crack, expanded when frozen widening the damage, repeat several times. Wait for crash as the bridge loses its structural support and strength. Probably under the most strain, which would be the morning rush hour when nearly 7 thousand vehicles cross.
Nicola Sturgeon (recently qualified Structural Engineer(arf?), lawyer that she actually is, fortune teller (reads tea leaves, crystal balls and believes every word of "Scotlands Future" et al), cries that the cuts in the maintenance budget did not cause the cracks - No Dear, the maintenance was to stop the cracks forming in the first place before they got into a dangerous condition and to maintain the bridge for the transportation of people In Safety and not in fear of their lives. (ps: The timeline and paper trail is available from many sources now. The implications are unmistakeable)
As people are starting to realise, SNPveryBAD, especially those many thousands of people who travelled over the bridge each day, once they understand that the SNP were gambling with their lives so that they could get the new bridge finished before the old one collapsed.
Then of course the Press and Media are not happy bunnies with the SNP as the information on the Police Scotland spying on journalists comes to light. Oh, yes! I am given to understand that is contravention to parts of the Human Rights Act of 1998 and could lead to legal action against the Scottish Government. Should be interesting.
Then, again the Police Scotland officers wearing firearms (against possible terrorist attacks in the Highlands) to low level disputes - while the deaths of people on motorways and on being taken into custody are white washed over. New Chief Constable, maybe some light will be shone on dark places.
We won't talk of the problems in the Death Star in Glasgow or in NHS Scotland, or in Education.
It's only a problem for techies and other assorted nerds (of which I'm one). For people who just want to do things, it's great. Your argument is getting dangerously close to the lefty political argument "People would vote for us, except they're gullible simpletons led astray by the evul right wing MSM".
People like what they like - Apple tap into a demonstrably large public appetite for beautiful industrial design and simplicity. Personally, I'm offended. I raised my family in the traditional Debian ways and look how they've repaid me. Apostasy!
No it isn't. It's a problem for anyone who has to have kit from multiple manufacturers. And since Apple's range is severely limited, that's lots of people.
I'm massively in favour of industry standards that any company can use for free, or a reasonable fee. As companies I've worked for in the past have found, Apple is not. This holds back innovation - just look at the profiteering they make on their MFi program, and the restrictions on that program.
Apple does have beautiful ID, within very prescribed limits. I'm not sure simplicity is one of their strong points though, especially nowadays.
And their business practices are exceptionally anti-competitive.
You see JJ I am with you. One reason I never bought into Apple was the restriction on diversity and particularly the whole itunes restriction which offended my share and share alike sensibilities. I am basically a geeky but lazy pirate.
But I do see John's point. You and I are very much in a minority. Most people outside of nerds and geeks aren't really interested in the whole question of development or technical detail. They want something that does everything as simply as possible. They want outcomes not inputs. As such the Apple stuff is perfect for them - completely integrated, hugely reliable, simple to use with little or no technical knowledge and providing just the level of service they want.
Me, I wouldn't touch it. But that doesn't mean everyone else is wrong and it doesn't mean that Apple are baddies. They are simply providing the service people want. That is why they are successful.
There are various assumptions in what you say that are, IME at least, false. Apple are not completely integrated: they are a walled garden with incomplete integration even within those walls. They do not allow you to do things 'as simply as possible': especially if you want to do uncommon or infrequent tasks. They are not particularly simple to use for a new user: that is just Apple's hype. And yes, I've watched new users try to do things.
They are dumbed-down devices, fed by a voracious PR machine.
The other problem with the proposal is that it is ripe for challenge by the ECJ. As far as the EU has always been concerned where you have lived in the EU should not dictate whether or not you get benefits. Even with a treaty agreement (which isn't going to happen any time soon) the 'discrimination' as some will claim it to be will be enough to allow the ECJ to get involved if anyone cares to mount a challenge.
You can discriminate against your own people in some circumstances. That's how the Scots can charge the English for tuition fees.
But this presumably will either need some legal changes in the EU, have additional features or apply only to expats outside the EU.
That is not discrimination , it is reciprocation, England charges Scottish students for education and Scotland reciprocates, that is equality of opportunity.
A novel theory, proven false by the fact that students of the other 27 EU countries aren't charged.
They don't charge our students £9K a term though
I can see why you would be annoyed when English Universities charge English students £9k a year and Scottish students three times as much (assuming 3 terms a year)....
Not entering the rest of the argument. Eek Jr is seriously considering doing her Civil engineering degree in Germany...
No it is not , England charges Scottish students and so they have a reciprocal agreement. As ever myopia from Little Englander's who want their cake and want to eat it. You just want to double charge Scotland to benefit England. Absolute bollocks, stop charging other people and expecting them to also fund your education.
PB Scroungers, in favour of the highest tuition fees in Europe but also think their kids should be allowed to trot across the nearest border for educational freebies.
No it is not , England charges Scottish students and so they have a reciprocal agreement. As ever myopia from Little Englander's who want their cake and want to eat it. You just want to double charge Scotland to benefit England. Absolute bollocks, stop charging other people and expecting them to also fund your education.
The moronic nationalist tendency is clearly on display this morning. I am not a little Englander and have long supported an independent Scotland and have posted about it regularly on here - just a few days ago being the last time.
This has nothing to do with little Englanders (or little Welshies either). It is to do with a blatantly stupid discriminatory policy whereby only students from one country in the EU have to pay to attend Scottish universities. Germany, the Netherlands and Portugal all charge tuition fees that Scots students have to pay if they attend university in those countries. But students from those countries do not have to pay to study in Scotland. Where is the equivalent reciprocal agreement?
The tech world would be much better off if it had not been for Apple and the insane cult of Jobs.
Indeed - overpriced fashion tech for the rich lefty-liberals and de rigeur at the BBC. tells you all you need to know.
Apple Inc. is worth over 100 billion US dollars Therefore I find it impossible to believe that this means the technology sector could possibly be worse off without Apple and Jobs, or that it is only favoured by the pro-Eurabia multi-culti rootless cosmopolitans at the BBC
It remains an over-priced fashion item - an awful lot of people can be duped in this way - look at overpriced trainers for example.
Good morning all. I have an ancient iPad 2 (bought to support an SG project I did), but I've never bought any other Apple gear.
My daughter is head to toe Apple. She's non-technical and loves the fact that everything just works together (I bought her a Sonos system for her birthday and that's beautifully integrated into Apple's ecosystem). I can't bring myself to pay Apple's premium prices, but they're undeniably compelling for ordinary folk.
That's one of the problems: Apple's ecosystem. Doing things in a non-standard way just to trap people into buying more of their gear, and eschewing standards for proprietary interfaces that it is hard, if not impossible, for third parties to support.
That Apple still, AIUI, refuses to use a standard charging socket on its Iphones is beyond crazy.
Another one from Pete Wishart, There's a SLab candidate briefing 2day & I've seen the agenda 1. SNP bad 2. How to get SNP bad across 3. How to get the media to say SNP bad
Uniquely, SNP government stands guilty of the possible manslaughter of 1000's of it's citizens.
If an engineer on another project hadn't noticed from the corner his eye, the crack in the FRB!
If the engineer hadn't known that it was important in a dangerous place!
If the engineer hadn't the gumption to tell his superiors!
If his superiors hadn't realised the implications of the crack!
Then sometime during this winter, when water would have condensed inside the crack, expanded when frozen widening the damage, repeat several times. Wait for crash as the bridge loses its structural support and strength. Probably under the most strain, which would be the morning rush hour when nearly 7 thousand vehicles cross.
Nicola Sturgeon (recently qualified Structural Engineer(arf?), lawyer that she actually is, fortune teller (reads tea leaves, crystal balls and believes every word of "Scotlands Future" et al), cries that the cuts in the maintenance budget did not cause the cracks - No Dear, the maintenance was to stop the cracks forming in the first place before they got into a dangerous condition and to maintain the bridge for the transportation of people In Safety and not in fear of their lives. (ps: The timeline and paper trail is available from many sources now. The implications are unmistakeable)
As people are starting to realise, SNPveryBAD, especially those many thousands of people who travelled over the bridge each day, once they understand that the SNP were gambling with their lives so that they could get the new bridge finished before the old one collapsed.
Then of course the Press and Media are not happy bunnies with the SNP as the information on the Police Scotland spying on journalists comes to light. Oh, yes! I am given to understand that is contravention to parts of the Human Rights Act of 1998 and could lead to legal action against the Scottish Government. Should be interesting.
Then, again the Police Scotland officers wearing firearms (against possible terrorist attacks in the Highlands) to low level disputes - while the deaths of people on motorways and on being taken into custody are white washed over. New Chief Constable, maybe some light will be shone on dark places.
We won't talk of the problems in the Death Star in Glasgow or in NHS Scotland, or in Education.
Any news on testicular re-growth in respect of the May elections?
Trump's gaffes are in fact not gaffes to the public because he is articulating what people inwardly know. The bubble-dwellers don't and never will understand because they are isolated from the "enrichment" they have wrought on the rest of the population.
In their minds, Islam = wonderful, and honour killings, FGM, fanaticism, homophobia, sexism, anti-semitism simply don't exist. Islam is wonderful, end of. In their minds, anyone who opposes Islam is simply a bigot, and the solution is to import more Muslims, more and more and more because Islam is peace and the native population are unenlightened plebs.
Naturally, the public don't see things this way, they see an increasing number of violent malcontent religious loons causing trouble like they do all over the world, and want them gone. And who can blame them?
The other problem with the proposal is that it is ripe for challenge by the ECJ. As far as the EU has always been concerned where you have lived in the EU should not dictate whether or not you get benefits. Even with a treaty agreement (which isn't going to happen any time soon) the 'discrimination' as some will claim it to be will be enough to allow the ECJ to get involved if anyone cares to mount a challenge.
You can discriminate against your own people in some circumstances. That's how the Scots can charge the English for tuition fees.
But this presumably will either need some legal changes in the EU, have additional features or apply only to expats outside the EU.
That is not discrimination , it is reciprocation, England charges Scottish students for education and Scotland reciprocates, that is equality of opportunity.
A novel theory, proven false by the fact that students of the other 27 EU countries aren't charged.
They don't charge our students £9K a term though
I can see why you would be annoyed when English Universities charge English students £9k a year and Scottish students three times as much (assuming 3 terms a year)....
Not entering the rest of the argument. Eek Jr is seriously considering doing her Civil engineering degree in Germany...
If I was looking at courses, then I'd strongly consider doing a degree in possibly the Netherlands tbh.
No it is not , England charges Scottish students and so they have a reciprocal agreement. As ever myopia from Little Englander's who want their cake and want to eat it. You just want to double charge Scotland to benefit England. Absolute bollocks, stop charging other people and expecting them to also fund your education.
PB Scroungers, in favour of the highest tuition fees in Europe but also think their kids should be allowed to trot across the nearest border for educational freebies.
Er no. Personally I think we should radically cut student numbers back to the levels we had in the 1980s and then all those who do qualify for university education get it free.
Another one from Pete Wishart, There's a SLab candidate briefing 2day & I've seen the agenda 1. SNP bad 2. How to get SNP bad across 3. How to get the media to say SNP bad
Uniquely, SNP government stands guilty of the possible manslaughter of 1000's of it's citizens.
If an engineer on another project hadn't noticed from the corner his eye, the crack in the FRB!
If the engineer hadn't known that it was important in a dangerous place!
If the engineer hadn't the gumption to tell his superiors!
If his superiors hadn't realised the implications of the crack!
Then sometime during this winter, when water would have condensed inside the crack, expanded when frozen widening the damage, repeat several times. Wait for crash as the bridge loses its structural support and strength. Probably under the most strain, which would be the morning rush hour when nearly 7 thousand vehicles cross.
Nicola Sturgeon (recently qualified Structural Engineer(arf?), lawyer that she actually is, fortune teller (reads tea leaves, crystal balls and believes every word of "Scotlands Future" et al), cries that the cuts in the maintenance budget did not cause the cracks - No Dear, the maintenance was to stop the cracks forming in the first place before they got into a dangerous condition and to maintain the bridge for the transportation of people In Safety and not in fear of their lives. (ps: The timeline and paper trail is available from many sources now. The implications are unmistakeable)
As people are starting to realise, SNPveryBAD, especially those many thousands of people who travelled over the bridge each day, once they understand that the SNP were gambling with their lives so that they could get the new bridge finished before the old one collapsed.
Then of course the Press and Media are not happy bunnies with the SNP as the information on the Police Scotland spying on journalists comes to light. Oh, yes! I am given to understand that is contravention to parts of the Human Rights Act of 1998 and could lead to legal action against the Scottish Government. Should be interesting.
Then, again the Police Scotland officers wearing firearms (against possible terrorist attacks in the Highlands) to low level disputes - while the deaths of people on motorways and on being taken into custody are white washed over. New Chief Constable, maybe some light will be shone on dark places.
We won't talk of the problems in the Death Star in Glasgow or in NHS Scotland, or in Education.
Now we have sockpuppet Tories on dribbling and slavering absolute tripe. You get that from the Daily Retard.
If you find Labour and Conservative indistinguishable at present I'm wondering what either party could possibly do to establish a distinction in your mind. Have its candidates appear naked, smothered in molasses?
Yeah, Corbyn, Blair, Cameron, Boris, they're all the same, innit? Lol.
As the original proponent of ID cards before Labour took them up, I've always thought the issue was not the cards but how they're done. Our current system of identification is ridiculous - a utility bill to prove address FFS - and inconsistently applied - try to arrange a forwaridng address in a post office, and they make you produce ID for every name in the household, but do it online and just producing a credit card for one person living at either address will do fine, with no proof that anyone else has even agreed.
The ability to identify yourself easily without reasonable doubt is seen as useful in most countries. The ability to be identified against your will is intensely controversial in Britain. A reasonable compromise would be to issue ID cards with NI numbers, but prohibit their use to exclude those who do not carry them - thus if you insist on turning up with a gas bill and a driving licence, fine. As for cross-database use, that could be made optional - personally I'd like to have my details transferrable so I don't nee dto keep reentering them, but I understand people who don't.
No it is not , England charges Scottish students and so they have a reciprocal agreement. As ever myopia from Little Englander's who want their cake and want to eat it. You just want to double charge Scotland to benefit England. Absolute bollocks, stop charging other people and expecting them to also fund your education.
The moronic nationalist tendency is clearly on display this morning. I am not a little Englander and have long supported an independent Scotland and have posted about it regularly on here - just a few days ago being the last time.
This has nothing to do with little Englanders (or little Welshies either). It is to do with a blatantly stupid discriminatory policy whereby only students from one country in the EU have to pay to attend Scottish universities. Germany, the Netherlands and Portugal all charge tuition fees that Scots students have to pay if they attend university in those countries. But students from those countries do not have to pay to study in Scotland. Where is the equivalent reciprocal agreement?
Are you so thick you cannot understand that England charges Scottish students, what kind of moron would expect Scotland to then give free education to students who should be funded by England. You cannot as stupid as you are trying to make out so I can only presume it is bigotry.
The other problem with the proposal is that it is ripe for challenge by the ECJ. As far as the EU has always been concerned where you have lived in the EU should not dictate whether or not you get benefits. Even with a treaty agreement (which isn't going to happen any time soon) the 'discrimination' as some will claim it to be will be enough to allow the ECJ to get involved if anyone cares to mount a challenge.
You can discriminate against your own people in some circumstances. That's how the Scots can charge the English for tuition fees.
But this presumably will either need some legal changes in the EU, have additional features or apply only to expats outside the EU.
That is not discrimination , it is reciprocation, England charges Scottish students for education and Scotland reciprocates, that is equality of opportunity.
A novel theory, proven false by the fact that students of the other 27 EU countries aren't charged.
They don't charge our students £9K a term though
I can see why you would be annoyed when English Universities charge English students £9k a year and Scottish students three times as much (assuming 3 terms a year)....
Not entering the rest of the argument. Eek Jr is seriously considering doing her Civil engineering degree in Germany...
You would think the cretins could at least try to have a better explanation for it , they hung Dick Turpin for less.
EEK, apologies , I put this on another post so no idea how it ended up on yours, my pleasant response to you is below. This was in reply to TUD's post on PB scroungers wanting to milk Scotland.
The other problem with the proposal is that it is ripe for challenge by the ECJ. As far as the EU has always been concerned where you have lived in the EU should not dictate whether or not you get benefits. Even with a treaty agreement (which isn't going to happen any time soon) the 'discrimination' as some will claim it to be will be enough to allow the ECJ to get involved if anyone cares to mount a challenge.
You can discriminate against your own people in some circumstances. That's how the Scots can charge the English for tuition fees.
But this presumably will either need some legal changes in the EU, have additional features or apply only to expats outside the EU.
That is not discrimination , it is reciprocation, England charges Scottish students for education and Scotland reciprocates, that is equality of opportunity.
A novel theory, proven false by the fact that students of the other 27 EU countries aren't charged.
They don't charge our students £9K a term though
I can see why you would be annoyed when English Universities charge English students £9k a year and Scottish students three times as much (assuming 3 terms a year)....
Not entering the rest of the argument. Eek Jr is seriously considering doing her Civil engineering degree in Germany...
Very pleasant choice , I wish her well and hope she is successful.
I've the ancient Google sidebar on the RHS of mine - without it, my screen looks really weird. I'd be lost without its screen clock/RSS feed and scrolling pix library.
Morning Consult had him 45 to 40 ahead of Hilary, I can only see one winner. Those key Midwest Rustbelt seats look very winnable with his strong polling with both white and black blue collar voters.
The other problem with the proposal is that it is ripe for challenge by the ECJ. As far as the EU has always been concerned where you have lived in the EU should not dictate whether or not you get benefits. Even with a treaty agreement (which isn't going to happen any time soon) the 'discrimination' as some will claim it to be will be enough to allow the ECJ to get involved if anyone cares to mount a challenge.
You can discriminate against your own people in some circumstances. That's how the Scots can charge the English for tuition fees.
But this presumably will either need some legal changes in the EU, have additional features or apply only to expats outside the EU.
That is not discrimination , it is reciprocation, England charges Scottish students for education and Scotland reciprocates, that is equality of opportunity.
A novel theory, proven false by the fact that students of the other 27 EU countries aren't charged.
They don't charge our students £9K a term though
I can see why you would be annoyed when English Universities charge English students £9k a year and Scottish students three times as much (assuming 3 terms a year)....
Not entering the rest of the argument. Eek Jr is seriously considering doing her Civil engineering degree in Germany...
Very pleasant choice , I wish her well and hope she is successful.
You vowed to emigrate to your beloved Fatherland in the event of a No victory. What's keeping you?
No it is not , England charges Scottish students and so they have a reciprocal agreement. As ever myopia from Little Englander's who want their cake and want to eat it. You just want to double charge Scotland to benefit England. Absolute bollocks, stop charging other people and expecting them to also fund your education.
PB Scroungers, in favour of the highest tuition fees in Europe but also think their kids should be allowed to trot across the nearest border for educational freebies.
Er no. Personally I think we should radically cut student numbers back to the levels we had in the 1980s and then all those who do qualify for university education get it free.
Do you think the Scottish Government offering free tuition to its bordering neighbour with 10 times its population, a common language & the highest tuition fees in Europe would increase or decrease student numbers? It certainly wouldn't do the latter in Scotland.
The other problem with the proposal is that it is ripe for challenge by the ECJ. As far as the EU has always been concerned where you have lived in the EU should not dictate whether or not you get benefits. Even with a treaty agreement (which isn't going to happen any time soon) the 'discrimination' as some will claim it to be will be enough to allow the ECJ to get involved if anyone cares to mount a challenge.
You can discriminate against your own people in some circumstances. That's how the Scots can charge the English for tuition fees.
But this presumably will either need some legal changes in the EU, have additional features or apply only to expats outside the EU.
That is not discrimination , it is reciprocation, England charges Scottish students for education and Scotland reciprocates, that is equality of opportunity.
A novel theory, proven false by the fact that students of the other 27 EU countries aren't charged.
They don't charge our students £9K a term though
I can see why you would be annoyed when English Universities charge English students £9k a year and Scottish students three times as much (assuming 3 terms a year)....
Not entering the rest of the argument. Eek Jr is seriously considering doing her Civil engineering degree in Germany...
Very pleasant choice , I wish her well and hope she is successful.
You vowed to emigrate to your beloved Fatherland in the event of a No victory. What's keeping you?
Lol unionists are fixated on making up "Vows", are you employed by the Daily Retard
No it is not , England charges Scottish students and so they have a reciprocal agreement. As ever myopia from Little Englander's who want their cake and want to eat it. You just want to double charge Scotland to benefit England. Absolute bollocks, stop charging other people and expecting them to also fund your education.
PB Scroungers, in favour of the highest tuition fees in Europe but also think their kids should be allowed to trot across the nearest border for educational freebies.
Er no. Personally I think we should radically cut student numbers back to the levels we had in the 1980s and then all those who do qualify for university education get it free.
Do you think the Scottish Government offering free tuition to its bordering neighbour with 10 times its population, a common language & the highest tuition fees in Europe would increase or decrease student numbers? It certainly wouldn't do the latter in Scotland.
He jsut wants Scotland to pay for England's education, that is their meaning of "pooling and sharing", we pool they share it. Next it will be asking for us to pay their prescriptions.
The other problem with the proposal is that it is ripe for challenge by the ECJ. As far as the EU has always been concerned where you have lived in the EU should not dictate whether or not you get benefits. Even with a treaty agreement (which isn't going to happen any time soon) the 'discrimination' as some will claim it to be will be enough to allow the ECJ to get involved if anyone cares to mount a challenge.
You can discriminate against your own people in some circumstances. That's how the Scots can charge the English for tuition fees.
But this presumably will either need some legal changes in the EU, have additional features or apply only to expats outside the EU.
That is not discrimination , it is reciprocation, England charges Scottish students for education and Scotland reciprocates, that is equality of opportunity.
A novel theory, proven false by the fact that students of the other 27 EU countries aren't charged.
They don't charge our students £9K a term though
I can see why you would be annoyed when English Universities charge English students £9k a year and Scottish students three times as much (assuming 3 terms a year)....
Not entering the rest of the argument. Eek Jr is seriously considering doing her Civil engineering degree in Germany...
Very pleasant choice , I wish her well and hope she is successful.
You vowed to emigrate to your beloved Fatherland in the event of a No victory. What's keeping you?
Lol unionists are fixated on making up "Vows", are you employed by the Daily Retard
Your vow is on the record. It must have boosted the Ayrshire No vote by several dozens.
The other problem with the proposal is that it is ripe for challenge by the ECJ. As far as the EU has always been concerned where you have lived in the EU should not dictate whether or not you get benefits. Even with a treaty agreement (which isn't going to happen any time soon) the 'discrimination' as some will claim it to be will be enough to allow the ECJ to get involved if anyone cares to mount a challenge.
You can discriminate against your own people in some circumstances. That's how the Scots can charge the English for tuition fees.
But this presumably will either need some legal changes in the EU, have additional features or apply only to expats outside the EU.
That is not discrimination , it is reciprocation, England charges Scottish students for education and Scotland reciprocates, that is equality of opportunity.
A novel theory, proven false by the fact that students of the other 27 EU countries aren't charged.
They don't charge our students £9K a term though
I can see why you would be annoyed when English Universities charge English students £9k a year and Scottish students three times as much (assuming 3 terms a year)....
Not entering the rest of the argument. Eek Jr is seriously considering doing her Civil engineering degree in Germany...
Very pleasant choice , I wish her well and hope she is successful.
You vowed to emigrate to your beloved Fatherland in the event of a No victory. What's keeping you?
Lol unionists are fixated on making up "Vows", are you employed by the Daily Retard
Your vow is on the record. It must have boosted the Ayrshire No vote by several dozens.
Trump's gaffes are in fact not gaffes to the public because he is articulating what people inwardly know. The bubble-dwellers don't and never will understand because they are isolated from the "enrichment" they have wrought on the rest of the population.
In their minds, Islam = wonderful, and honour killings, FGM, fanaticism, homophobia, sexism, anti-semitism simply don't exist. Islam is wonderful, end of. In their minds, anyone who opposes Islam is simply a bigot, and the solution is to import more Muslims, more and more and more because Islam is peace and the native population are unenlightened plebs.
Naturally, the public don't see things this way, they see an increasing number of violent malcontent religious loons causing trouble like they do all over the world, and want them gone. And who can blame them?
Trump's gaffe aren't gaffes, they also aren't "what people inwardly know". He knows that they are ridiculous and unworkable suggestions and he's told us why he makes them. "Trump wrote a book describing how he always makes an aggressive first offer, every time, without exception."
No it is not , England charges Scottish students and so they have a reciprocal agreement. As ever myopia from Little Englander's who want their cake and want to eat it. You just want to double charge Scotland to benefit England. Absolute bollocks, stop charging other people and expecting them to also fund your education.
PB Scroungers, in favour of the highest tuition fees in Europe but also think their kids should be allowed to trot across the nearest border for educational freebies.
Er no. Personally I think we should radically cut student numbers back to the levels we had in the 1980s and then all those who do qualify for university education get it free.
Do you think the Scottish Government offering free tuition to its bordering neighbour with 10 times its population, a common language & the highest tuition fees in Europe would increase or decrease student numbers? It certainly wouldn't do the latter in Scotland.
He jsut wants Scotland to pay for England's education, that is their meaning of "pooling and sharing", we pool they share it. Next it will be asking for us to pay their prescriptions.
Once again tosser, I am in favour of Scottish independence. What I am not in favour of is thick Scots like yourself who think that bigotry and discrimination is the basis for success.
If you find Labour and Conservative indistinguishable at present I'm wondering what either party could possibly do to establish a distinction in your mind. Have its candidates appear naked, smothered in molasses?
Yeah, Corbyn, Blair, Cameron, Boris, they're all the same, innit? Lol.
As the original proponent of ID cards before Labour took them up, I've always thought the issue was not the cards but how they're done. Our current system of identification is ridiculous - a utility bill to prove address FFS - and inconsistently applied - try to arrange a forwaridng address in a post office, and they make you produce ID for every name in the household, but do it online and just producing a credit card for one person living at either address will do fine, with no proof that anyone else has even agreed.
The ability to identify yourself easily without reasonable doubt is seen as useful in most countries. The ability to be identified against your will is intensely controversial in Britain. A reasonable compromise would be to issue ID cards with NI numbers, but prohibit their use to exclude those who do not carry them - thus if you insist on turning up with a gas bill and a driving licence, fine. As for cross-database use, that could be made optional - personally I'd like to have my details transferrable so I don't nee dto keep reentering them, but I understand people who don't.
Nick, I have to say that in the past few years I have completely changed my mind about the introduction of ID cards into the UK. Where once I was virulently against them in principle I am now wholly in favour.
The fundamental objection was that they would change our relationship with the state and that argument is now redundant. The relationship has already been changed and the old freedoms are not coming back. The ID card will just make the new relationship more efficient to the benefit, I think, of the law-abiding, tax-paying majority.
The devil of course will be in the detail. The scheme abandoned in 2010 was too much of a bodge brought about, in part, by a desire to keep the headline costs down. The first requirement would be a clean National Identity Database which takes no data from existing databases (HMRC, Passport Office, DVLA etc.). It will be expensive in the short term, probably very expensive, but without that the scheme will be flawed from the outset. Once that is in place then we could build out from it. Of course there would have to be very serious safeguards as to access, probably mandatory prison terms for anyone misusing the data.
Miss Plato, just checked Youtube and apparently there's a bar on the left I just wasn't seeing before
Hmm. I wonder if the VR being developed for gaming might come to PCs (for work) at some point.
I don't think VR will really fly in terms of widespread uptake. I believe it will be like 3D TV / films. What I can really see flying is AR, especially for commercial / work uses.
Morning Consult had him 45 to 40 ahead of Hilary, I can only see one winner. Those key Midwest Rustbelt seats look very winnable with his strong polling with both white and black blue collar voters.
Without going as far as agreeing with him, there is a point to be made from his no-muslims statement. I am sure it was quite hard to enter the US as either a German or a Japanese in say 1943, or as a Russian during the Cold War. The problem is not immigration per se, it is the left's ridiculous view that we should allow as many people in as feel like coming and impose no controls on who they are. Any attempt to set reasonable limits or weed out the country's enemies is decried as "racist".
No it is not , England charges Scottish students and so they have a reciprocal agreement. As ever myopia from Little Englander's who want their cake and want to eat it. You just want to double charge Scotland to benefit England. Absolute bollocks, stop charging other people and expecting them to also fund your education.
The moronic nationalist tendency is clearly on display this morning. I am not a little Englander and have long supported an independent Scotland and have posted about it regularly on here - just a few days ago being the last time.
This has nothing to do with little Englanders (or little Welshies either). It is to do with a blatantly stupid discriminatory policy whereby only students from one country in the EU have to pay to attend Scottish universities. Germany, the Netherlands and Portugal all charge tuition fees that Scots students have to pay if they attend university in those countries. But students from those countries do not have to pay to study in Scotland. Where is the equivalent reciprocal agreement?
Are you so thick you cannot understand that England charges Scottish students, what kind of moron would expect Scotland to then give free education to students who should be funded by England. You cannot as stupid as you are trying to make out so I can only presume it is bigotry.
England charges all students wherever they come from. It does not pick out one country to discriminate against. I guess from your inability to follow basic logic that your education was limited to baking butteries on a job creation scheme.
If you find Labour and Conservative indistinguishable at present I'm wondering what either party could possibly do to establish a distinction in your mind. Have its candidates appear naked, smothered in molasses?
Yeah, Corbyn, Blair, Cameron, Boris, they're all the same, innit? Lol.
As the original proponent of ID cards before Labour took them up, I've always thought the issue was not the cards but how they're done. Our current system of identification is ridiculous - a utility bill to prove address FFS - and inconsistently applied - try to arrange a forwaridng address in a post office, and they make you produce ID for every name in the household, but do it online and just producing a credit card for one person living at either address will do fine, with no proof that anyone else has even agreed.
The ability to identify yourself easily without reasonable doubt is seen as useful in most countries. The ability to be identified against your will is intensely controversial in Britain. A reasonable compromise would be to issue ID cards with NI numbers, but prohibit their use to exclude those who do not carry them - thus if you insist on turning up with a gas bill and a driving licence, fine. As for cross-database use, that could be made optional - personally I'd like to have my details transferrable so I don't nee dto keep reentering them, but I understand people who don't.
Nick, I have to say that in the past few years I have completely changed my mind about the introduction of ID cards into the UK. Where once I was virulently against them in principle I am now wholly in favour.
The fundamental objection was that they would change our relationship with the state and that argument is now redundant. The relationship has already been changed and the old freedoms are not coming back. The ID card will just make the new relationship more efficient to the benefit, I think, of the law-abiding, tax-paying majority.
The devil of course will be in the detail. The scheme abandoned in 2010 was too much of a bodge brought about, in part, by a desire to keep the headline costs down. The first requirement would be a clean National Identity Database which takes no data from existing databases (HMRC, Passport Office, DVLA etc.). It will be expensive in the short term, probably very expensive, but without that the scheme will be flawed from the outset. Once that is in place then we could build out from it. Of course there would have to be very serious safeguards as to access, probably mandatory prison terms for anyone misusing the data.
Morning Consult had him 45 to 40 ahead of Hilary, I can only see one winner. Those key Midwest Rustbelt seats look very winnable with his strong polling with both white and black blue collar voters.
Without going as far as agreeing with him, there is a point to be made from his no-muslims statement. I am sure it was quite hard to enter the US as either a German or a Japanese in say 1943, or as a Russian during the Cold War. The problem is not immigration per se, it is the left's ridiculous view that we should allow as many people in as feel like coming and impose no controls on who they are. Any attempt to set reasonable limits or weed out the country's enemies is decried as "racist".
Nick, I have to say that in the past few years I have completely changed my mind about the introduction of ID cards into the UK. Where once I was virulently against them in principle I am now wholly in favour.
The fundamental objection was that they would change our relationship with the state and that argument is now redundant. The relationship has already been changed and the old freedoms are not coming back. The ID card will just make the new relationship more efficient to the benefit, I think, of the law-abiding, tax-paying majority.
The devil of course will be in the detail. The scheme abandoned in 2010 was too much of a bodge brought about, in part, by a desire to keep the headline costs down. The first requirement would be a clean National Identity Database which takes no data from existing databases (HMRC, Passport Office, DVLA etc.). It will be expensive in the short term, probably very expensive, but without that the scheme will be flawed from the outset. Once that is in place then we could build out from it. Of course there would have to be very serious safeguards as to access, probably mandatory prison terms for anyone misusing the data.
Yes, I agree with all of that, and it works apparently harmlessly in countries that have them - I know passionately libertarian and anti-establishment people there who can't see what the problem is. The key is to have them primarily useful to ordinary people rather than primarily useful for the State.
The problem is that it's one of those issues (like Heathrow) where most people think "Yeah, suppose it'd be useful" but some people are passionately opposed, portraying it as the arrival of the Nazis. Labour gave up in the end as it was just too much hassle.
No it is not , England charges Scottish students and so they have a reciprocal agreement. As ever myopia from Little Englander's who want their cake and want to eat it. You just want to double charge Scotland to benefit England. Absolute bollocks, stop charging other people and expecting them to also fund your education.
PB Scroungers, in favour of the highest tuition fees in Europe but also think their kids should be allowed to trot across the nearest border for educational freebies.
Er no. Personally I think we should radically cut student numbers back to the levels we had in the 1980s and then all those who do qualify for university education get it free.
Do you think the Scottish Government offering free tuition to its bordering neighbour with 10 times its population, a common language & the highest tuition fees in Europe would increase or decrease student numbers? It certainly wouldn't do the latter in Scotland.
He jsut wants Scotland to pay for England's education, that is their meaning of "pooling and sharing", we pool they share it. Next it will be asking for us to pay their prescriptions.
Once again tosser, I am in favour of Scottish independence. What I am not in favour of is thick Scots like yourself who think that bigotry and discrimination is the basis for success.
Who cares about independence, you want to milk us to pay for England's education , that is some basis for success for Scotland. You have no clue , your bigotry blinds you to common sense , only a cretin could suggest that Scotland should fund English students whilst paying for Scots to be educated in England.
"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
No it is not , England charges Scottish students and so they have a reciprocal agreement. As ever myopia from Little Englander's who want their cake and want to eat it. You just want to double charge Scotland to benefit England. Absolute bollocks, stop charging other people and expecting them to also fund your education.
The moronic nationalist tendency is clearly on display this morning. I am not a little Englander and have long supported an independent Scotland and have posted about it regularly on here - just a few days ago being the last time.
This has nothing to do with little Englanders (or little Welshies either). It is to do with a blatantly stupid discriminatory policy whereby only students from one country in the EU have to pay to attend Scottish universities. Germany, the Netherlands and Portugal all charge tuition fees that Scots students have to pay if they attend university in those countries. But students from those countries do not have to pay to study in Scotland. Where is the equivalent reciprocal agreement?
Are you so thick you cannot understand that England charges Scottish students, what kind of moron would expect Scotland to then give free education to students who should be funded by England. You cannot as stupid as you are trying to make out so I can only presume it is bigotry.
England charges all students wherever they come from. It does not pick out one country to discriminate against. I guess from your inability to follow basic logic that your education was limited to baking butteries on a job creation scheme.
LOL, now you have lost the argument you try and insult me, hard luck loser I don't need to whinge about being taxed on my fake travel costs making it impossible to survive.
Miss Plato, just checked Youtube and apparently there's a bar on the left I just wasn't seeing before
Hmm. I wonder if the VR being developed for gaming might come to PCs (for work) at some point.
I don't know about VR being useful at work but when I was looking at getting a three monitor system for gaming I came across NVidia's 3D application (Surround?) which I could see would have been great when I was doing presentations.
The VR "hats" I am not so sure about, even for gaming. I am still thinking about getting the Occulus Rift when it is released at a commercial level in the new year but it ain't going to be cheap (£250 for a new graphics card plus probably the same for the hat itself) and then there are the side effects that nobody seems to be talking about (e.g. how do I see the keys I need to use to control the game, how do I see my glass/cup and how will I know where, exactly, the ashtray is whilst playing). I am not sure that they have thought out the practical effects of VR.
Whats wrong with being elderly? You have experience for instance. Anyway the purpose of the US presidency is an elected monarchy with the checks and balances of congress and the supreme court. irrespective of the age of this monarch he/she comes with an entire administration, 100's of people, of their choice which will be comprised of people of all ages.
In its own way nothing is 'wrong' with being elderly. However, elderly people tend to think more slowly, have less energy, and be less innovative and decisive than younger people. Louis Philippe is a classic example of somebody who aged badly (and was kicked off the throne as a result).
As for experience, experience of being wealthy from a young age and still going bust several times (Trump) or of repeatedly failing to draft successful legislation due to rudeness and arrogance while being the subject of several police investigations (Clinton) are not exactly the sort of experience you want in your CEO. I think I am also right in saying both have had several health scares.
My father, who is slightly younger than either of them, once told me that he thought around 50-55 was the right age to reach the top - old enough to see things in perspective, but not too old to do the actual work. Given how he has aged rapidly in the last year and I am having to take a more energetic role in keeping an eye on my parents, I am rather sceptical of the idea that two older people (admittedly two who probably worked less hard than he did) are suitable to be president of the world's richest, most powerful and most important country. Look at how Reagan petered out in futility after he was re-elected as he got older.
"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Miss Plato, just checked Youtube and apparently there's a bar on the left I just wasn't seeing before
Hmm. I wonder if the VR being developed for gaming might come to PCs (for work) at some point.
I don't know about VR being useful at work but when I was looking at getting a three monitor system for gaming I came across NVidia's 3D application (Surround?) which I could see would have been great when I was doing presentations.
The VR "hats" I am not so sure about, even for gaming. I am still thinking about getting the Occulus Rift when it is released at a commercial level in the new year but it ain't going to be cheap (£250 for a new graphics card plus probably the same for the hat itself) and then there are the side effects that nobody seems to be talking about (e.g. how do I see the keys I need to use to control the game, how do I see my glass/cup and how will I know where, exactly, the ashtray is whilst playing). I am not sure that they have thought out the practical effects of VR.
There is another issue with VR in the home, especially in places like UK, Japan, places where your average living room or bedroom is quite small. VR is going to be damn boring if you physically don't move around anywhere.
I know there is the omnidirectional treadmills, but thats more cost, and they are pretty big themselves and not convinced how well they work.
Also, with 3D showed that people really didn't want to wear the glasses while hanging out in the living room. Seems only the hardcore nut wants to run around the living room while effectively a helmet. In addition to home 3d, Kinect has been a flop for Microsoft in terms of home use.
And finally the control system. Although Occulus have been working on haptic gloves and alike, we are still along way of really simulating what we experience in real life. So much so that when they use VR for research they have to use a wide range of other real stimulants to really make the experience realistic enough.
Mr. Llama, some report motion sickness or need to take a break because it's so immersive.
I think it's intriguing, but the sort of game it's best suited for (fighter simulators) aren't my usual cup of tea. That said, imagine X-wing Versus TIE Fighter done well, with VR. That'd sell bucketloads. [That's almost the only PC game I've ever played. Really liked it, and with Star Wars hype at a peak, the next few years would make it a huge hit].
Mr. Urquhart, I'm not so sure. I think VR has potential. I don't think it'll sweep away all gaming, but I do think it could work very well for certain games and co-exist alongside what we have now.
No it is not , England charges Scottish students and so they have a reciprocal agreement. As ever myopia from Little Englander's who want their cake and want to eat it. You just want to double charge Scotland to benefit England. Absolute bollocks, stop charging other people and expecting them to also fund your education.
The moronic nationalist tendency is clearly on display this morning. I am not a little Englander and have long supported an independent Scotland and have posted about it regularly on here - just a few days ago being the last time.
This has nothing to do with little Englanders (or little Welshies either). It is to do with a blatantly stupid discriminatory policy whereby only students from one country in the EU have to pay to attend Scottish universities. Germany, the Netherlands and Portugal all charge tuition fees that Scots students have to pay if they attend university in those countries. But students from those countries do not have to pay to study in Scotland. Where is the equivalent reciprocal agreement?
Are you so thick you cannot understand that England charges Scottish students, what kind of moron would expect Scotland to then give free education to students who should be funded by England. You cannot as stupid as you are trying to make out so I can only presume it is bigotry.
England charges all students wherever they come from. It does not pick out one country to discriminate against. I guess from your inability to follow basic logic that your education was limited to baking butteries on a job creation scheme.
England doesn't have influence over other countries' education budgets though.
If you find Labour and Conservative indistinguishable at present I'm wondering what either party could possibly do to establish a distinction in your mind. Have its candidates appear naked, smothered in molasses?
Yeah, Corbyn, Blair, Cameron, Boris, they're all the same, innit? Lol.
As the original proponent of ID cards before Labour took them up, I've always thought the issue was not the cards but how they're done. Our current system of identification is ridiculous - a utility bill to prove address FFS - and inconsistently applied - try to arrange a forwaridng address in a post office, and they make you produce ID for every name in the household, but do it online and just producing a credit card for one person living at either address will do fine, with no proof that anyone else has even agreed.
s for cross-database use, that could be made optional - personally I'd like to have my details transferrable so I don't nee dto keep reentering them, but I understand people who don't.
Nick, I have to say that in the past few years I have completely changed my mind about the introduction of ID cards into the UK. Where once I was virulently against them in principle I am now wholly in favour.
The fundamental objection was that they would change our relationship with the state and that argument is now redundant. The relationship has already been changed and the old freedoms are not coming back. The ID card will just make the new relationship more efficient to the benefit, I think, of the law-abiding, tax-paying majority.
The devil of course will be in the detail. The scheme abandoned in 2010 was too much of a bodge brought about, in part, by a desire to keep the headline costs down. The first requirement would be a clean National Identity Database which takes no data from existing databases (HMRC, Passport Office, DVLA etc.). It will be expensive in the short term, probably very expensive, but without that the scheme will be flawed from the outset. Once that is in place then we could build out from it. Of course there would have to be very serious safeguards as to access, probably mandatory prison terms for anyone misusing the data.
HL, I have been on a similar journey as yourself in the last couple of years. There also would need to be protections from various branches of the state not being able to look up stuff that doesn't directly concern them. Plod being able to look up my medical data or NHS staff being able to look up my tax information etc. As you say, the devil is in the detail.
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Morning Consult had him 45 to 40 ahead of Hilary, I can only see one winner. Those key Midwest Rustbelt seats look very winnable with his strong polling with both white and black blue collar voters.
Without going as far as agreeing with him, there is a point to be made from his no-muslims statement. I am sure it was quite hard to enter the US as either a German or a Japanese in say 1943, or as a Russian during the Cold War. The problem is not immigration per se, it is the left's ridiculous view that we should allow as many people in as feel like coming and impose no controls on who they are. Any attempt to set reasonable limits or weed out the country's enemies is decried as "racist".
The US was at war with Germany and Japan. It is not at war with the entire Moslem world. Trump's proposal is entirely unconstitutional and unworkable, as well as being discriminatory. That has nothing to do with the left and everything to do with him seeking to make noise in order to keep his base fired up. It's smart politics. But it is not something he could or would ever do. Thus, it is also profoundly dishonest.
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Morning all.
Paris was simply blissful!
Since when was being given other people's money a "freedom"?
I had dinner earlier this with one of the top 3 executives at a very very large American company. He was asking me, genuinely confused, why the UK stayed in the EU as he couldn't see any benefit (although he did acknowledge that we were pretty good at staying out of stuff like the Euro and Schengen that we really didn't like)
It might be that such people would prefer to remain on the current terms than the renegotiated ones, if the renegotiation happens to be a small piece of tinkering that just so happens to screw them. However, leave is still likely to seem a lot riskier to them, I'd have thought.
The term "deficit denier" springs to mind.
Lots of people probably think the things you and I like to buy are overpriced
They cite 'strong' disapproval, yet <50% say it is 'very inappropriate'.
My daughter is head to toe Apple. She's non-technical and loves the fact that everything just works together (I bought her a Sonos system for her birthday and that's beautifully integrated into Apple's ecosystem). I can't bring myself to pay Apple's premium prices, but they're undeniably compelling for ordinary folk.
It's like the locals of a given local authority getting free parking on street but visitors being charged. The fact that another area suddenly decides to charge everyone, whether (their) local or visitor, has no effect on the morality or otherwise of the original policy.
'Stop all immigration and close the borders until ISIS is defeated'
http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=107516&area=gb
'Block Donald J Trump from UK entry'
http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=114003&area=gb
Now if we compare the signatories of each petition per the top 25 Con-Lab marginal constituencies:
Derby N - 785 / 777
Gower - 537 / 396
Croydon Central - 568 / 986
Vale Of Clwyd - 592 / 308
Bury North - 643 / 624
Morley & Outwood - 1033 / 472
Pymouth Sutton & Devonport - 1119 / 1117
Thurrock - 1664 / 462
Brighton Kemptown - 821 / 1335
Bolton West - 995 / 533
Telford - 888 / 397
Weaver Vale - 717 / 550
Bedford - 536 / 828
Plymouth Moor View - 1167 / 317
Lincoln - 876 / 851
Cardiff North - 345 / 805
Corby - 737 / 565
Waveney - 998 / 443
Warrington South - 736 / 734
Southampton Itchen - 1021 / 815
Keighley - 653 / 805
Warwickshire North - 797 / 348
Carlisle - 691 / 406
Halesowen - 769 / 384
By comparison:
Islington North - 176 / 2617
Its Cold. if you have an elderly neighbour, pop your head around the door, see if they have a spare bedroom, then report them to the Tories
There's a SLab candidate briefing 2day & I've seen the agenda 1. SNP bad 2. How to get SNP bad across 3. How to get the media to say SNP bad
People like what they like - Apple tap into a demonstrably large public appetite for beautiful industrial design and simplicity. Personally, I'm offended. I raised my family in the traditional Debian ways and look how they've repaid me. Apostasy!
I'm massively in favour of industry standards that any company can use for free, or a reasonable fee. As companies I've worked for in the past have found, Apple is not. This holds back innovation - just look at the profiteering they make on their MFi program, and the restrictions on that program.
Apple does have beautiful ID, within very prescribed limits. I'm not sure simplicity is one of their strong points though, especially nowadays.
And their business practices are exceptionally anti-competitive.
Anyway the purpose of the US presidency is an elected monarchy with the checks and balances of congress and the supreme court.
irrespective of the age of this monarch he/she comes with an entire administration, 100's of people, of their choice which will be comprised of people of all ages.
Bethnal Green & Bow - 3875
Bristol West - 3687
Holborn & St Pancreas - 3233
Poplar & Limehouse - 3055
Hackney North - 2981
Also:
Cities of London & Westminster - 2842
Battersea - 2194
Richmond Park - 2092
Kensington - 2026
There's probably a very close correlation to the YES vote in the AV referendum.
The 'progressive' majority.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/12041463/ID-cards-are-a-good-idea-and-now-is-the-time-to-talk-about-them.html
As a CEO of a company said to me: how can we hope to sue them when they have many more lawyers than we do engineers?
I don't think they 'like' to say that, but they feel the need to from time to time - even if doing so is entirely dishonest.
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2014/06/11/david-herdson-says-that-theres-never-a-good-election-to-lose/
That, however, related to the UK. It's different in the US with its separation of powers. To deliver both the government and legislature is risky to the point of foolhardiness but that risk is greatly diminished in the States if you can keep control of at least one House.
There is indeed a risk to both Democrats and establishment Republicans if Trump does win outright but that's not what I expect will happen, nor is it the basis of the article. While it's true that Trump speaks to a sector of the population that mainstream politicians have left behind, he turns off great swathes as well. It is true that Hillary does the same, which is harder for us to conceptualise in Europe as her values are much closer to the norm here, but not to an equal extent. Besides, the voters that Hillary turns off aren't as deadly in their Electoral Collage consequences, which is why the basis of my piece is that Trump is a loser at a national level. If that assumption is wrong then it follows that any analysis based on it is also likely to be wrong.
That said, even if Trump does end up in the White House, it's not guaranteed that he'd be effective. He too would have to deal with Congress and the Supreme Court, neither of which would necessarily be favourably inclined to him even if the GOP hold an actual majority on one and an virtual one on the other.
But I do see John's point. You and I are very much in a minority. Most people outside of nerds and geeks aren't really interested in the whole question of development or technical detail. They want something that does everything as simply as possible. They want outcomes not inputs. As such the Apple stuff is perfect for them - completely integrated, hugely reliable, simple to use with little or no technical knowledge and providing just the level of service they want.
Me, I wouldn't touch it. But that doesn't mean everyone else is wrong and it doesn't mean that Apple are baddies. They are simply providing the service people want. That is why they are successful.
A similar difference occurs between Southampton Test / Southampton Itchen and Brighton Pavilion / Brighton Kemptown.
Labour has a problem with its various voting blocks:
Doncaster North - 1242 / 251
EdM really was more suited to the 'ordinary people' of Dartmouth Park than he was to his own constituency.
https://twitter.com/DVATW/status/675626743324139520
If an engineer on another project hadn't noticed from the corner his eye, the crack in the FRB!
If the engineer hadn't known that it was important in a dangerous place!
If the engineer hadn't the gumption to tell his superiors!
If his superiors hadn't realised the implications of the crack!
Then sometime during this winter, when water would have condensed inside the crack, expanded when frozen widening the damage, repeat several times. Wait for crash as the bridge loses its structural support and strength. Probably under the most strain, which would be the morning rush hour when nearly 7 thousand vehicles cross.
Nicola Sturgeon (recently qualified Structural Engineer(arf?), lawyer that she actually is, fortune teller (reads tea leaves, crystal balls and believes every word of "Scotlands Future" et al), cries that the cuts in the maintenance budget did not cause the cracks - No Dear, the maintenance was to stop the cracks forming in the first place before they got into a dangerous condition and to maintain the bridge for the transportation of people In Safety and not in fear of their lives. (ps: The timeline and paper trail is available from many sources now. The implications are unmistakeable)
As people are starting to realise, SNPveryBAD, especially those many thousands of people who travelled over the bridge each day, once they understand that the SNP were gambling with their lives so that they could get the new bridge finished before the old one collapsed.
Then of course the Press and Media are not happy bunnies with the SNP as the information on the Police Scotland spying on journalists comes to light. Oh, yes! I am given to understand that is contravention to parts of the Human Rights Act of 1998 and could lead to legal action against the Scottish Government. Should be interesting.
Then, again the Police Scotland officers wearing firearms (against possible terrorist attacks in the Highlands) to low level disputes - while the deaths of people on motorways and on being taken into custody are white washed over. New Chief Constable, maybe some light will be shone on dark places.
We won't talk of the problems in the Death Star in Glasgow or in NHS Scotland, or in Education.
They are dumbed-down devices, fed by a voracious PR machine.
Not entering the rest of the argument. Eek Jr is seriously considering doing her Civil engineering degree in Germany...
So a completely made up story, then.
This has nothing to do with little Englanders (or little Welshies either). It is to do with a blatantly stupid discriminatory policy whereby only students from one country in the EU have to pay to attend Scottish universities. Germany, the Netherlands and Portugal all charge tuition fees that Scots students have to pay if they attend university in those countries. But students from those countries do not have to pay to study in Scotland. Where is the equivalent reciprocal agreement?
In their minds, Islam = wonderful, and honour killings, FGM, fanaticism, homophobia, sexism, anti-semitism simply don't exist. Islam is wonderful, end of. In their minds, anyone who opposes Islam is simply a bigot, and the solution is to import more Muslims, more and more and more because Islam is peace and the native population are unenlightened plebs.
Naturally, the public don't see things this way, they see an increasing number of violent malcontent religious loons causing trouble like they do all over the world, and want them gone. And who can blame them?
Just changed the monitor. Now widescreen, and surprised how much room there is on the left hand side of the site.
As the original proponent of ID cards before Labour took them up, I've always thought the issue was not the cards but how they're done. Our current system of identification is ridiculous - a utility bill to prove address FFS - and inconsistently applied - try to arrange a forwaridng address in a post office, and they make you produce ID for every name in the household, but do it online and just producing a credit card for one person living at either address will do fine, with no proof that anyone else has even agreed.
The ability to identify yourself easily without reasonable doubt is seen as useful in most countries. The ability to be identified against your will is intensely controversial in Britain. A reasonable compromise would be to issue ID cards with NI numbers, but prohibit their use to exclude those who do not carry them - thus if you insist on turning up with a gas bill and a driving licence, fine. As for cross-database use, that could be made optional - personally I'd like to have my details transferrable so I don't nee dto keep reentering them, but I understand people who don't.
You cannot as stupid as you are trying to make out so I can only presume it is bigotry.
EEK, apologies , I put this on another post so no idea how it ended up on yours, my pleasant response to you is below. This was in reply to TUD's post on PB scroungers wanting to milk Scotland.
What a breath of fresh air Trump is.
Morning Consult had him 45 to 40 ahead of Hilary, I can only see one winner. Those key Midwest Rustbelt seats look very winnable with his strong polling with both white and black blue collar voters.
What's keeping you?
Hmm. I wonder if the VR being developed for gaming might come to PCs (for work) at some point.
"Trump wrote a book describing how he always makes an aggressive first offer, every time, without exception."
See Scott Adams (of Dilbert fame) blog
"http://blog.dilbert.com/post/132408086396/why-donald-trump-will-ruin-the-world
The fundamental objection was that they would change our relationship with the state and that argument is now redundant. The relationship has already been changed and the old freedoms are not coming back. The ID card will just make the new relationship more efficient to the benefit, I think, of the law-abiding, tax-paying majority.
The devil of course will be in the detail. The scheme abandoned in 2010 was too much of a bodge brought about, in part, by a desire to keep the headline costs down. The first requirement would be a clean National Identity Database which takes no data from existing databases (HMRC, Passport Office, DVLA etc.). It will be expensive in the short term, probably very expensive, but without that the scheme will be flawed from the outset. Once that is in place then we could build out from it. Of course there would have to be very serious safeguards as to access, probably mandatory prison terms for anyone misusing the data.
The problem is that it's one of those issues (like Heathrow) where most people think "Yeah, suppose it'd be useful" but some people are passionately opposed, portraying it as the arrival of the Nazis. Labour gave up in the end as it was just too much hassle.
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
The VR "hats" I am not so sure about, even for gaming. I am still thinking about getting the Occulus Rift when it is released at a commercial level in the new year but it ain't going to be cheap (£250 for a new graphics card plus probably the same for the hat itself) and then there are the side effects that nobody seems to be talking about (e.g. how do I see the keys I need to use to control the game, how do I see my glass/cup and how will I know where, exactly, the ashtray is whilst playing). I am not sure that they have thought out the practical effects of VR.
As for experience, experience of being wealthy from a young age and still going bust several times (Trump) or of repeatedly failing to draft successful legislation due to rudeness and arrogance while being the subject of several police investigations (Clinton) are not exactly the sort of experience you want in your CEO. I think I am also right in saying both have had several health scares.
My father, who is slightly younger than either of them, once told me that he thought around 50-55 was the right age to reach the top - old enough to see things in perspective, but not too old to do the actual work. Given how he has aged rapidly in the last year and I am having to take a more energetic role in keeping an eye on my parents, I am rather sceptical of the idea that two older people (admittedly two who probably worked less hard than he did) are suitable to be president of the world's richest, most powerful and most important country. Look at how Reagan petered out in futility after he was re-elected as he got older.
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I know there is the omnidirectional treadmills, but thats more cost, and they are pretty big themselves and not convinced how well they work.
Also, with 3D showed that people really didn't want to wear the glasses while hanging out in the living room. Seems only the hardcore nut wants to run around the living room while effectively a helmet. In addition to home 3d, Kinect has been a flop for Microsoft in terms of home use.
And finally the control system. Although Occulus have been working on haptic gloves and alike, we are still along way of really simulating what we experience in real life. So much so that when they use VR for research they have to use a wide range of other real stimulants to really make the experience realistic enough.
I think it's intriguing, but the sort of game it's best suited for (fighter simulators) aren't my usual cup of tea. That said, imagine X-wing Versus TIE Fighter done well, with VR. That'd sell bucketloads. [That's almost the only PC game I've ever played. Really liked it, and with Star Wars hype at a peak, the next few years would make it a huge hit].
Mr. Urquhart, I'm not so sure. I think VR has potential. I don't think it'll sweep away all gaming, but I do think it could work very well for certain games and co-exist alongside what we have now.
There also would need to be protections from various branches of the state not being able to look up stuff that doesn't directly concern them.
Plod being able to look up my medical data or NHS staff being able to look up my tax information etc.
As you say, the devil is in the detail.
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