Political betting below the line is a remarkable place. Tonight it is an interpolated palimpsest of politics, dentistry and practical lingerie management.
New tagline for the site perhaps?
Honestly, it's the only way to discuss politics at length without becoming too angry and intense all the time. Distractions ahoy!
You misunderstand - she was told that she couldn't have her own records.
Because the clear nuance is that she regularly asks (and wastes the time of) the wrong people in making these ridiculous demands which likely contribute to the problems with her records.
The story also sounds heavily massaged.
I think you have mixed my posts with Malmesbury's. Maybe a lie down, a cup of coffee and two Panadols will help.
It was, of course an intersection with that strange life form that exists so often in large organisation, the Office Napoleon. David Brent made real. As in art, the annoying uselessness of the specimen is inversely related to it's qualifications and/or position in the organisation.
I always find the really senior people quite pleasant to deal with. Ask a polite question, get a polite and informative answer is the rule.
My general advice now is brush your teeth properly. It is worth it.
Agreed - dentists must hate the electric toothbrush....
My dentist is always moaning that I should floss. I probably should, but I'm hoping that my bi-annual visits to the dentist/hygienist make up for it.
Alistair- did you not go to the dentist for 10 years, or did they keep badgering you about stuff but failed to follow through on it (much like me?)
Do we have any dentists on here?
My anecdotal experience from my family and others is that with modern dental hygiene teeth quality is pretty genetic. My parents are both blessed with excellent teeth. A chap I play cricket has a mouth that looks like a horror show - as does his Dad!
What @rcs1000 said about Proxies and Thor and IP addresses meanwhile...not a scooby doo.
When you browse the internet, the page you are looking at has to be sent to you. To do that, it has to know where you are: not *physically* where you are, but a short string of numbers that uniquely identifies your computer. That string of numbers is your computer's "IP address". It's not constant: I work from home/library on weekends, live somewhere else during the week, and work in a third location from multiple PCs, so my usage of this site involves multiple IP addresses. Since I'm a rather boring statistician and do not present as a High Panjandrum, I assume OGH is not bothered one jot.
But there are ways to obscure your IP address, either by hiding it entirely or pretending to be somewhere else. You can link to the internet not directly, but via a "proxy server" - every page you look at has to go thru the proxy and the proxy doesn't tell the page supplier who you are, it just hands it on. A "Tor" (not Thor!) browser links encryptedly to a smaller network which in turn links to the larger internet, and again the smaller network doesn't tell the page supplier who you are. So anybody using a proxy or a Tor browser is anonymous.
Anonymous web browsing is neither illegal, immoral nor fattening. But anybody using it cannot be identified. This enables things like sockpuppets (one person presenting as two or more people) or interested parties hiding their interest.
You misunderstand - she was told that she couldn't have her own records.
Because the clear nuance is that she regularly asks (and wastes the time of) the wrong people in making these ridiculous demands which likely contribute to the problems with her records.
The story also sounds heavily massaged.
I think you have mixed my posts with Malmesbury's. Maybe a lie down, a cup of coffee and two Panadols will help.
It was, of course an intersection with that strange life form that exists so often in large organisation, the Office Napoleon. David Brent made real. As in art, the annoying uselessness of the specimen is inversely related to it's qualifications and/or position in the organisation.
I always find the really senior people quite pleasant to deal with. Ask a polite question, get a polite and informative answer is the rule.
I never liked David Brent. Of course, that was maybe the point.
Time for a green tea and then off to bed so I can be fresh for another day of misunderstanding the world and asking for all the wrong things.
My general advice now is brush your teeth properly. It is worth it.
Agreed - dentists must hate the electric toothbrush....
My dentist is always moaning that I should floss. I probably should, but I'm hoping that my bi-annual visits to the dentist/hygienist make up for it.
Alistair- did you not go to the dentist for 10 years, or did they keep badgering you about stuff but failed to follow through on it (much like me?)
Do we have any dentists on here?
My anecdotal experience from my family and others is that with modern dental hygiene teeth quality is pretty genetic. My parents are both blessed with excellent teeth. A chap I play cricket has a mouth that looks like a horror show - as does his Dad!
My mum has good teeth, my dad not so much. So 50/50
What @rcs1000 said about Proxies and Thor and IP addresses meanwhile...not a scooby doo.
When you browse the internet, the page you are looking at has to be sent to you. To do that, it has to know where you are: not *physically* where you are, but a short string of numbers that uniquely identifies your computer. That string of numbers is your computer's "IP address". It's not constant: I work from home/library on weekends, live somewhere else during the week, and work in a third location from multiple PCs, so my usage of this site involves multiple IP addresses. Since I'm a rather boring statistician and do not present as a High Panjandrum, I assume OGH is not bothered one jot.
But there are ways to obscure your IP address, either by hiding it entirely or pretending to be somewhere else. You can link to the internet not directly, but via a "proxy server" - every page you look at has to go thru the proxy and the proxy doesn't tell the page supplier who you are, it just hands it on. A "Tor" (not Thor!) browser links encryptedly to a smaller network which in turn links to the larger internet, and again the smaller network doesn't tell the page supplier who you are. So anybody using a proxy or a Tor browser is anonymous.
Anonymous web browsing is neither illegal, immoral nor fattening. But anybody using it cannot be identified. This enables things like sockpuppets (one person presenting as two or more people) or interested parties hiding their interest.
Though more and more people are using obfuscation of their location - all part of the growing awareness of the amount of surveillance amateur, professional and governmental that goes on.
'mazing. They do say that one day every home will have such a magic machine, whereby people from around the world will gather on one screen to discuss the politics of the day and how one may profit from wagers thereby. Can't see it, myself...:-)
Next they will be eliminating slips of paper and allowing electronic bets.
After the absolute pants-wetting terror of my brief (tho successful!) online political betting career, going into a Ladbrokes and giving a human paper money in return for a paper slip does have its attractions...
Crikey, first we have Mrs C with her malfunctioning underwired bras (whatever they are) and now we have you two discussing expressions of female sexuality. This is a politics site, ladies, and some of us chaps just don't need to know about that stuff.
Really Mr Llama... an underwire bra is one where the cup is stiffened and supported by a hard wire that runs under the cup from one side to the other. Eventually the wire wears through the fabric and starts jabbing you. If this happens in the middle of the day you have little choice other than to pull the wire out and throw it away resulting in having a "saggy" side for the rest of the day.
A minor operation on the bra when new will prevent this. A small incision on the fabric covering the loop, remove an inch or so of the wire itself with wire-cutters, and hey presto! no jabs.
The most worthwhile post on PB this evening. I shall go and dig out the wire cutters!
I forgot to add, (1) a stitch or so to stop the shortened wire from wriggling round up to the incision point, and (2) amount of wire to remove depends on personal anatomy.
Crikey, first we have Mrs C with her malfunctioning underwired bras (whatever they are) and now we have you two discussing expressions of female sexuality. This is a politics site, ladies, and some of us chaps just don't need to know about that stuff.
Really Mr Llama... an underwire bra is one where the cup is stiffened and supported by a hard wire that runs under the cup from one side to the other. Eventually the wire wears through the fabric and starts jabbing you. If this happens in the middle of the day you have little choice other than to pull the wire out and throw it away resulting in having a "saggy" side for the rest of the day.
Thank you, Mrs C., you efforts to remedy my ignorance are appreciated. However I now have information that I rather wished I didn't have and which I am going to have to do my best to forget.
Once, on a course, I was the only chap amongst the delegates staying at a particular hotel. Naturally we all went out for drinkies and a curry but the four ladies found that having a man present was cramping their conversation. So they made me an honorary girl for the evening. Gosh, I learned a lot and a lot that no man should, in my opinion, be allowed to know. I got drunk as a quick as I could so that I would no longer be completely embarrassed and would, hopefully, not remember too much of the conversation. Unfortunately the ladies matched me drink for drink and as they too got drunk so they became even more uninhibited in their talk. By the time I made to my bed I was a much wiser and much sadder man.
Welcome to the other side Mr Llama. I am sure the conversation was much more interesting than, say, racing cars or horses....
What @rcs1000 said about Proxies and Thor and IP addresses meanwhile...not a scooby doo.
When you browse the internet, the page you are looking at has to be sent to you. To do that, it has to know where you are: not *physically* where you are, but a short string of numbers that uniquely identifies your computer. That string of numbers is your computer's "IP address". It's not constant: I work from home/library on weekends, live somewhere else during the week, and work in a third location from multiple PCs, so my usage of this site involves multiple IP addresses. Since I'm a rather boring statistician and do not present as a High Panjandrum, I assume OGH is not bothered one jot.
But there are ways to obscure your IP address, either by hiding it entirely or pretending to be somewhere else. You can link to the internet not directly, but via a "proxy server" - every page you look at has to go thru the proxy and the proxy doesn't tell the page supplier who you are, it just hands it on. A "Tor" (not Thor!) browser links encryptedly to a smaller network which in turn links to the larger internet, and again the smaller network doesn't tell the page supplier who you are. So anybody using a proxy or a Tor browser is anonymous.
Anonymous web browsing is neither illegal, immoral nor fattening. But anybody using it cannot be identified. This enables things like sockpuppets (one person presenting as two or more people) or interested parties hiding their interest.
What @rcs1000 said about Proxies and Thor and IP addresses meanwhile...not a scooby doo.
When you browse the internet, the page you are looking at has to be sent to you. To do that, it has to know where you are: not *physically* where you are, but a short string of numbers that uniquely identifies your computer. That string of numbers is your computer's "IP address". It's not constant: I work from home/library on weekends, live somewhere else during the week, and work in a third location from multiple PCs, so my usage of this site involves multiple IP addresses. Since I'm a rather boring statistician and do not present as a High Panjandrum, I assume OGH is not bothered one jot.
But there are ways to obscure your IP address, either by hiding it entirely or pretending to be somewhere else. You can link to the internet not directly, but via a "proxy server" - every page you look at has to go thru the proxy and the proxy doesn't tell the page supplier who you are, it just hands it on. A "Tor" (not Thor!) browser links encryptedly to a smaller network which in turn links to the larger internet, and again the smaller network doesn't tell the page supplier who you are. So anybody using a proxy or a Tor browser is anonymous.
Anonymous web browsing is neither illegal, immoral nor fattening. But anybody using it cannot be identified. This enables things like sockpuppets (one person presenting as two or more people) or interested parties hiding their interest.
Though more and more people are using obfuscation of their location - all part of the growing awareness of the amount of surveillance amateur, professional and governmental that goes on.
We have always had a policy of requiring real email addresses on this site. Personally, I don't care about people using tor or proxies or whatever.
However, perhaps it would be best if it was clear to anyone reading a post that the author had chosen to hide their location.
15:05 Start eating Refresher bar (Left over from Halloween) 15:06 Discover I had pulled out filling with aforesaid Refresher bar 15:07 Swear 15:08 Phone dentist 15:40 Turn up at dentist 15:45 Seen by dentist 16:00 Leave with new filling
And it cost me Fourteen whole pounds!
I need a filling replaced and I can't get it until January the 6th,.
How shocking is that, what a shoddy way to treat patients, the NHS should be ashamed, just think of the pain and suffering I will have to go through until the NHS can be bothered to actually treat me in the way my taxes deserve.
Something should be done and the SNP should be utterly ashamed at the way they've allowed the Scottish NHS to fail people like me. I mean, 6 weeks for a filling. It's ridiculous.
Of course, in reality, I need to have my braces taken off to have the filling replaced and my next orthodontic appointment is on the 6th January, both in the morning and afternoon, so they can take it off in the morning, allowing my dentist to do the work and fit my new wire in the afternoon.
The NHS procedure is now very very different for a filling. Unless my dentists is running a pilot. You now get an initial assessment, you get a cleaning, and told to come back in three months. If in those three months your oral hygiene has not improved, you will not get treatment.
Its the equivalent of being told you wont get medical treatment until you stop smoking/improve diet.
Whether it is right or wrong, it is quite a bold step in publicly funded health provision.
Crikey, first we have Mrs C with her malfunctioning underwired bras (whatever they are) and now we have you two discussing expressions of female sexuality. This is a politics site, ladies, and some of us chaps just don't need to know about that stuff.
Really Mr Llama... an underwire bra is one where the cup is stiffened and supported by a hard wire that runs under the cup from one side to the other. Eventually the wire wears through the fabric and starts jabbing you. If this happens in the middle of the day you have little choice other than to pull the wire out and throw it away resulting in having a "saggy" side for the rest of the day.
A minor operation on the bra when new will prevent this. A small incision on the fabric covering the loop, remove an inch or so of the wire itself with wire-cutters, and hey presto! no jabs.
The most worthwhile post on PB this evening. I shall go and dig out the wire cutters!
I forgot to add, (1) a stitch or so to stop the shortened wire from wriggling round up to the incision point, and (2) amount of wire to remove depends on personal anatomy.
Thanks for that. My favourite M&S underwire is nearing the end so I may experiment on it.
Anyway, my bedtime cuppa is made so goodnight one and all.
What @rcs1000 said about Proxies and Thor and IP addresses meanwhile...not a scooby doo.
[snip]
Anonymous web browsing is neither illegal, immoral nor fattening. But anybody using it properly cannot be identified easily. This enables things like sockpuppets (one person presenting as two or more people) or interested parties hiding their interest.
Slightly fixed if you will excuse me, viewcode. And for the record I use Tor on my main home machine and my laptops.
What @rcs1000 said about Proxies and Thor and IP addresses meanwhile...not a scooby doo.
When you browse the internet, the page you are looking at has to be sent to you. To do that, it has to know where you are: not *physically* where you are, but a short string of numbers that uniquely identifies your computer. That string of numbers is your computer's "IP address". It's not constant: I work from home/library on weekends, live somewhere else during the week, and work in a third location from multiple PCs, so my usage of this site involves multiple IP addresses. Since I'm a rather boring statistician and do not present as a High Panjandrum, I assume OGH is not bothered one jot.
But there are ways to obscure your IP address, either by hiding it entirely or pretending to be somewhere else. You can link to the internet not directly, but via a "proxy server" - every page you look at has to go thru the proxy and the proxy doesn't tell the page supplier who you are, it just hands it on. A "Tor" (not Thor!) browser links encryptedly to a smaller network which in turn links to the larger internet, and again the smaller network doesn't tell the page supplier who you are. So anybody using a proxy or a Tor browser is anonymous.
Anonymous web browsing is neither illegal, immoral nor fattening. But anybody using it cannot be identified. This enables things like sockpuppets (one person presenting as two or more people) or interested parties hiding their interest.
Though more and more people are using obfuscation of their location - all part of the growing awareness of the amount of surveillance amateur, professional and governmental that goes on.
Tell me about it. My many sins are embarrassing but not illegal, so in theory I have nothing to fear. But as things like online banking become more and more common, I'm beginning to think that something like a Tor browser whilst paying off bills might be a good idea. It's all a question of getting organised, of course...:-(
The Parliamentary Labour Party needs to show enough discipline to keep this stuff quiet though. Leaking with reckless abandon isn't going to improve anything.
What @rcs1000 said about Proxies and Thor and IP addresses meanwhile...not a scooby doo.
When you browse the internet, the page you are looking at has to be sent to you. To do that, it has to know where you are: not *physically* where you are, but a short string of numbers that uniquely identifies your computer. That string of numbers is your computer's "IP address". It's not constant: I work from home/library on weekends, live somewhere else during the week, and work in a third location from multiple PCs, so my usage of this site involves multiple IP addresses. Since I'm a rather boring statistician and do not present as a High Panjandrum, I assume OGH is not bothered one jot.
But there are ways to obscure your IP address, either by hiding it entirely or pretending to be somewhere else. You can link to the internet not directly, but via a "proxy server" - every page you look at has to go thru the proxy and the proxy doesn't tell the page supplier who you are, it just hands it on. A "Tor" (not Thor!) browser links encryptedly to a smaller network which in turn links to the larger internet, and again the smaller network doesn't tell the page supplier who you are. So anybody using a proxy or a Tor browser is anonymous.
Anonymous web browsing is neither illegal, immoral nor fattening. But anybody using it cannot be identified. This enables things like sockpuppets (one person presenting as two or more people) or interested parties hiding their interest.
Though more and more people are using obfuscation of their location - all part of the growing awareness of the amount of surveillance amateur, professional and governmental that goes on.
We have always had a policy of requiring real email addresses on this site. Personally, I don't care about people using tor or proxies or whatever.
However, perhaps it would be best if it was clear to anyone reading a post that the author had chosen to hide their location.
If someone is a betting shrewdie they may be using a false ip... Lots of accounts get closed by bookies rumbling that
Cameron trying to bounce the vote through with this one day debate,
And labour playing delaying tactics. It comes to something when USA, France and tonight NATO ask us to join their coalition against ISIL and the labour party procrastinate. The time for talking is over, just take the vote
I'd dearly love to know what the diplomats and politicians there think of the Labour party and its shenanigans.....
A while back I ran the list of pb users IP addresses through a database of "compromised" IPs. One user seemed to be coming from a machine that was part of various ddos attacks and was almost certainly hacked.
I contacted said user to warn them that their machine might be being used for nefarious purposes, and they dropped off the site without even giving me a response.
Belatedly I concluded that said user was a professional sock puppet.
What @rcs1000 said about Proxies and Thor and IP addresses meanwhile...not a scooby doo.
[snip]
Anonymous web browsing is neither illegal, immoral nor fattening. But anybody using it properly cannot be identified easily. This enables things like sockpuppets (one person presenting as two or more people) or interested parties hiding their interest.
Slightly fixed if you will excuse me, viewcode. And for the record I use Tor on my main home machine and my laptops.
Fortunately, no one would ever claim to be from Gibraltar if it wasn't true :-)
Crikey, first we have Mrs C with her malfunctioning underwired bras (whatever they are) and now we have you two discussing expressions of female sexuality. This is a politics site, ladies, and some of us chaps just don't need to know about that stuff.
Really Mr Llama... an underwire bra is one where the cup is stiffened and supported by a hard wire that runs under the cup from one side to the other. Eventually the wire wears through the fabric and starts jabbing you. If this happens in the middle of the day you have little choice other than to pull the wire out and throw it away resulting in having a "saggy" side for the rest of the day.
A minor operation on the bra when new will prevent this. A small incision on the fabric covering the loop, remove an inch or so of the wire itself with wire-cutters, and hey presto! no jabs.
The most worthwhile post on PB this evening. I shall go and dig out the wire cutters!
I forgot to add, (1) a stitch or so to stop the shortened wire from wriggling round up to the incision point, and (2) amount of wire to remove depends on personal anatomy.
Thanks for that. My favourite M&S underwire is nearing the end so I may experiment on it.
Anyway, my bedtime cuppa is made so goodnight one and all.
Hope it works for you. Works for me, but I've never had occasion to pass the tip on so no further evidence for or against.
A while back I ran the list of pb users IP addresses through a database of "compromised" IPs. One user seemed to be coming from a machine that was part of various ddos attacks and was almost certainly hacked.
I contacted said user to warn them that their machine might be being used for nefarious purposes, and they dropped off the site without even giving me a response.
Belatedly I concluded that said user was a professional sock puppet.
What @rcs1000 said about Proxies and Thor and IP addresses meanwhile...not a scooby doo.
[snip]
Anonymous web browsing is neither illegal, immoral nor fattening. But anybody using it properly cannot be identified easily. This enables things like sockpuppets (one person presenting as two or more people) or interested parties hiding their interest.
Slightly fixed if you will excuse me, viewcode. And for the record I use Tor on my main home machine and my laptops.
Fortunately, no one would ever claim to be from Gibraltar if it wasn't true :-)
15:05 Start eating Refresher bar (Left over from Halloween) 15:06 Discover I had pulled out filling with aforesaid Refresher bar 15:07 Swear 15:08 Phone dentist 15:40 Turn up at dentist 15:45 Seen by dentist 16:00 Leave with new filling
And it cost me Fourteen whole pounds!
I need a filling replaced and I can't get it until January the 6th,.
How shocking is that, what a shoddy way to treat patients, the NHS should be ashamed, just think of the pain and suffering I will have to go through until the NHS can be bothered to actually treat me in the way my taxes deserve.
Something should be done and the SNP should be utterly ashamed at the way they've allowed the Scottish NHS to fail people like me. I mean, 6 weeks for a filling. It's ridiculous.
Of course, in reality, I need to have my braces taken off to have the filling replaced and my next orthodontic appointment is on the 6th January, both in the morning and afternoon, so they can take it off in the morning, allowing my dentist to do the work and fit my new wire in the afternoon.
The NHS procedure is now very very different for a filling. Unless my dentists is running a pilot. You now get an initial assessment, you get a cleaning, and told to come back in three months. If in those three months your oral hygiene has not improved, you will not get treatment.
Its the equivalent of being told you wont get medical treatment until you stop smoking/improve diet.
Whether it is right or wrong, it is quite a bold step in publicly funded health provision.
Wow, is that a one-off or is this now a standard thing?
A while back I ran the list of pb users IP addresses through a database of "compromised" IPs. One user seemed to be coming from a machine that was part of various ddos attacks and was almost certainly hacked.
I contacted said user to warn them that their machine might be being used for nefarious purposes, and they dropped off the site without even giving me a response.
Belatedly I concluded that said user was a professional sock puppet.
Very decent of you.
And interesting, too, that the sort of professional sock-puppetry we sometimes jest about really does exist on here....
A while back I ran the list of pb users IP addresses through a database of "compromised" IPs. One user seemed to be coming from a machine that was part of various ddos attacks and was almost certainly hacked.
I contacted said user to warn them that their machine might be being used for nefarious purposes, and they dropped off the site without even giving me a response.
Belatedly I concluded that said user was a professional sock puppet.
Very decent of you.
And interesting, too, that the sort of professional sock-puppetry we sometimes jest about really does exist on here....
A while back I ran the list of pb users IP addresses through a database of "compromised" IPs. One user seemed to be coming from a machine that was part of various ddos attacks and was almost certainly hacked.
I contacted said user to warn them that their machine might be being used for nefarious purposes, and they dropped off the site without even giving me a response.
Belatedly I concluded that said user was a professional sock puppet.
A while back I ran the list of pb users IP addresses through a database of "compromised" IPs. One user seemed to be coming from a machine that was part of various ddos attacks and was almost certainly hacked.
I contacted said user to warn them that their machine might be being used for nefarious purposes, and they dropped off the site without even giving me a response.
Belatedly I concluded that said user was a professional sock puppet.
Very decent of you.
And interesting, too, that the sort of professional sock-puppetry we sometimes jest about really does exist on here....
I'm actually a team of sockpuppets, but not a very good team, hence any inconsistency of political viewpoints expressed.
15:05 Start eating Refresher bar (Left over from Halloween) 15:06 Discover I had pulled out filling with aforesaid Refresher bar 15:07 Swear 15:08 Phone dentist 15:40 Turn up at dentist 15:45 Seen by dentist 16:00 Leave with new filling
And it cost me Fourteen whole pounds!
I need a filling replaced and I can't get it until January the 6th,.
How shocking is that, what a shoddy way to treat patients, the NHS should be ashamed, just think of the pain and suffering I will have to go through until the NHS can be bothered to actually treat me in the way my taxes deserve.
Something should be done and the SNP should be utterly ashamed at the way they've allowed the Scottish NHS to fail people like me. I mean, 6 weeks for a filling. It's ridiculous.
Of course, in reality, I need to have my braces taken off to have the filling replaced and my next orthodontic appointment is on the 6th January, both in the morning and afternoon, so they can take it off in the morning, allowing my dentist to do the work and fit my new wire in the afternoon.
The NHS procedure is now very very different for a filling. Unless my dentists is running a pilot. You now get an initial assessment, you get a cleaning, and told to come back in three months. If in those three months your oral hygiene has not improved, you will not get treatment.
Its the equivalent of being told you wont get medical treatment until you stop smoking/improve diet.
Whether it is right or wrong, it is quite a bold step in publicly funded health provision.
Wow, is that a one-off or is this now a standard thing?
The dentist said it was now standard at his practice and implied it was across the NHS. The thing is my oral hygiene wasnt bad, room for improvement, as there always is, but in the higher range for all their assessment numbers.
He told me i needed to clean my teeth minimum three times a day, not rinse my mouth after brushing and that i need to buy an electric toothbrush. Unless i did that he doesnt expect to see an improvement. No improvement, no treatment.
15:05 Start eating Refresher bar (Left over from Halloween) 15:06 Discover I had pulled out filling with aforesaid Refresher bar 15:07 Swear 15:08 Phone dentist 15:40 Turn up at dentist 15:45 Seen by dentist 16:00 Leave with new filling
And it cost me Fourteen whole pounds!
I need a filling replaced and I can't get it until January the 6th,.
How shocking is that, what a shoddy way to treat patients, the NHS should be ashamed, just think of the pain and suffering I will have to go through until the NHS can be bothered to actually treat me in the way my taxes deserve.
Something should be done and the SNP should be utterly ashamed at the way they've allowed the Scottish NHS to fail people like me. I mean, 6 weeks for a filling. It's ridiculous.
Of course, in reality, I need to have my braces taken off to have the filling replaced and my next orthodontic appointment is on the 6th January, both in the morning and afternoon, so they can take it off in the morning, allowing my dentist to do the work and fit my new wire in the afternoon.
The NHS procedure is now very very different for a filling. Unless my dentists is running a pilot. You now get an initial assessment, you get a cleaning, and told to come back in three months. If in those three months your oral hygiene has not improved, you will not get treatment.
Its the equivalent of being told you wont get medical treatment until you stop smoking/improve diet.
Whether it is right or wrong, it is quite a bold step in publicly funded health provision.
Wow, is that a one-off or is this now a standard thing?
The dentist said it was now standard at his practice and implied it was across the NHS. The thing is my oral hygiene wasnt bad, room for improvement, as there always is, but in the higher range for all their assessment numbers.
He told me i needed to clean my teeth minimum three times a day, not rinse my mouth after brushing and that i need to buy an electric toothbrush. Unless i did that he doesnt expect to see an improvement. No improvement, no treatment.
LOL, although if any PBer* finds themselves on the Rock or nearby in Spain then give me a shout and I'll prove my existence by getting the first round in.
When CCHQ are ordering Tory MPs to voice their support for him on social media you know his days are numbered.
Signing off on project expenditure does not necessarily entailed having detailed knowledge of the individuals involved
You can approve a budget without ever having met the person tasked with running it.
There is a lot of muck being spread - and it is surely better to let the new independent investigation explore this before assuming that everything from Guido or his friends on the Sun is the truth.
I am not saying Feldman is innocent - just that the evidence is not yet compelling enough to persuade me of his ultimate culpability
When CCHQ are ordering Tory MPs to voice their support for him on social media you know his days are numbered.
The battlebus won the election for the tories and monstered Labour's 'ground war', they didnt see it coming. Every weekend was like a by election in some marginal seats. They had so many volunteers they didnt know what to do with them, its a shame that this sh*t seems to have being a bully. It was a stupendously good idea that worked amazingly.
We canvassed an entire constituency in one day. An entire constituency!! Have you any idea how long it takes to canvass 20,000 households for a team of six canvassers ?
When CCHQ are ordering Tory MPs to voice their support for him on social media you know his days are numbered.
The battlebus won the election for the tories and monstered Labour's 'ground war', they didnt see it coming. Every weekend was like a by election in some marginal seats. They had so many volunteers they didnt know what to do with them, its a shame that this sh*t seems to have being a bully. It was a stupendously good idea that worked amazingly.
We canvassed an entire constituency in one day. An entire constituency!! Have you any idea how long it takes to canvass 20,000 households for a team of six canvassers ?
Sad but true. Iti may have been run by Captain Bligh, but it worked. Presumably most of the volunteers were having a good time or they wouldn't have turned out so often.
The Parliamentary Labour Party needs to show enough discipline to keep this stuff quiet though. Leaking with reckless abandon isn't going to improve anything.
There was considerable anger at my CLP meeting last week at the lack of professionalism from some of these MPs who are giving a running commentary to the media. Including a couple of people saying they suspected some MPs were deliberately trying to stoke up the media narrative against them so that we'd lose the Oldham by-election. And this was at a CLP meeting which (to my surprise) voted to oppose air-strikes by only one vote.
15:05 Start eating Refresher bar (Left over from Halloween) 15:06 Discover I had pulled out filling with aforesaid Refresher bar 15:07 Swear 15:08 Phone dentist 15:40 Turn up at dentist 15:45 Seen by dentist 16:00 Leave with new filling
And it cost me Fourteen whole pounds!
I need a filling replaced and I can't get it until January the 6th,.
How shocking is that, what a shoddy way to treat patients, the NHS should be ashamed, just think of the pain and suffering I will have to go through until the NHS can be bothered to actually treat me in the way my taxes deserve.
Something should be done and the SNP should be utterly ashamed at the way they've allowed the Scottish NHS to fail people like me. I mean, 6 weeks for a filling. It's ridiculous.
Of course, in reality, I need to have my braces taken off to have the filling replaced and my next orthodontic appointment is on the 6th January, both in the morning and afternoon, so they can take it off in the morning, allowing my dentist to do the work and fit my new wire in the afternoon.
The NHS procedure is now very very different for a filling. Unless my dentists is running a pilot. You now get an initial assessment, you get a cleaning, and told to come back in three months. If in those three months your oral hygiene has not improved, you will not get treatment.
Its the equivalent of being told you wont get medical treatment until you stop smoking/improve diet.
Whether it is right or wrong, it is quite a bold step in publicly funded health provision.
Wow, is that a one-off or is this now a standard thing?
The dentist said it was now standard at his practice and implied it was across the NHS. The thing is my oral hygiene wasnt bad, room for improvement, as there always is, but in the higher range for all their assessment numbers.
He told me i needed to clean my teeth minimum three times a day, not rinse my mouth after brushing and that i need to buy an electric toothbrush. Unless i did that he doesnt expect to see an improvement. No improvement, no treatment.
3 times a day? Not rinsing?
What fresh hell is this dental regime.....
Sounds like another clever wheeze to persuade people to go to A&E when they're in pain.
Crikey, first we have Mrs C with her malfunctioning underwired bras (whatever they are) and now we have you two discussing expressions of female sexuality. This is a politics site, ladies, and some of us chaps just don't need to know about that stuff.
Really Mr Llama... an underwire bra is one where the cup is stiffened and supported by a hard wire that runs under the cup from one side to the other. Eventually the wire wears through the fabric and starts jabbing you. If this happens in the middle of the day you have little choice other than to pull the wire out and throw it away resulting in having a "saggy" side for the rest of the day.
A minor operation on the bra when new will prevent this. A small incision on the fabric covering the loop, remove an inch or so of the wire itself with wire-cutters, and hey presto! no jabs.
The most worthwhile post on PB this evening. I shall go and dig out the wire cutters!
I find my Felko garden hand secateurs perfectly adequate for this job.
15:05 Start eating Refresher bar (Left over from Halloween) 15:06 Discover I had pulled out filling with aforesaid Refresher bar 15:07 Swear 15:08 Phone dentist 15:40 Turn up at dentist 15:45 Seen by dentist 16:00 Leave with new filling
And it cost me Fourteen whole pounds!
I need a filling replaced and I can't get it until January the 6th,.
How shocking is that, what a shoddy way to treat patients, the NHS should be ashamed, just think of the pain and suffering I will have to go through until the NHS can be bothered to actually treat me in the way my taxes deserve.
Something should be done and the SNP should be utterly ashamed at the way they've allowed the Scottish NHS to fail people like me. I mean, 6 weeks for a filling. It's ridiculous.
Of course, in reality, I need to have my braces taken off to have the filling replaced and my next orthodontic appointment is on the 6th January, both in the morning and afternoon, so they can take it off in the morning, allowing my dentist to do the work and fit my new wire in the afternoon.
The NHS procedure is now very very different for a filling. Unless my dentists is running a pilot. You now get an initial assessment, you get a cleaning, and told to come back in three months. If in those three months your oral hygiene has not improved, you will not get treatment.
Its the equivalent of being told you wont get medical treatment until you stop smoking/improve diet.
Whether it is right or wrong, it is quite a bold step in publicly funded health provision.
Wow, is that a one-off or is this now a standard thing?
The dentist said it was now standard at his practice and implied it was across the NHS. The thing is my oral hygiene wasnt bad, room for improvement, as there always is, but in the higher range for all their assessment numbers.
He told me i needed to clean my teeth minimum three times a day, not rinse my mouth after brushing and that i need to buy an electric toothbrush. Unless i did that he doesnt expect to see an improvement. No improvement, no treatment.
3 times a day? Not rinsing?
What fresh hell is this dental regime.....
Sounds like another clever wheeze to persuade people to go to A&E when they're in pain.
When CCHQ are ordering Tory MPs to voice their support for him on social media you know his days are numbered.
The battlebus won the election for the tories and monstered Labour's 'ground war', they didnt see it coming. Every weekend was like a by election in some marginal seats. They had so many volunteers they didnt know what to do with them, its a shame that this sh*t seems to have being a bully. It was a stupendously good idea that worked amazingly.
We canvassed an entire constituency in one day. An entire constituency!! Have you any idea how long it takes to canvass 20,000 households for a team of six canvassers ?
Sad but true. Iti may have been run by Captain Bligh, but it worked. Presumably most of the volunteers were having a good time or they wouldn't have turned out so often.
When CCHQ are ordering Tory MPs to voice their support for him on social media you know his days are numbered.
The battlebus won the election for the tories and monstered Labour's 'ground war', they didnt see it coming. Every weekend was like a by election in some marginal seats. They had so many volunteers they didnt know what to do with them, its a shame that this sh*t seems to have being a bully. It was a stupendously good idea that worked amazingly.
We canvassed an entire constituency in one day. An entire constituency!! Have you any idea how long it takes to canvass 20,000 households for a team of six canvassers ?
Sad but true. Iti may have been run by Captain Bligh, but it worked. Presumably most of the volunteers were having a good time or they wouldn't have turned out so often.
Very much so, it was actually back to the roots of what the Conservative Party used to be about, finding someone..... A lot of socialising, booze and food (not so much the booze where i was, as it was very much, eat, get the job done and go).
15:05 Start eating Refresher bar (Left over from Halloween) 15:06 Discover I had pulled out filling with aforesaid Refresher bar 15:07 Swear 15:08 Phone dentist 15:40 Turn up at dentist 15:45 Seen by dentist 16:00 Leave with new filling
And it cost me Fourteen whole pounds!
I need a filling replaced and I can't get it until January the 6th,.
How shocking is that, what a shoddy way to treat patients, the NHS should be ashamed, just think of the pain and suffering I will have to go through until the NHS can be bothered to actually treat me in the way my taxes deserve.
Something should be done and the SNP should be utterly ashamed at the way they've allowed the Scottish NHS to fail people like me. I mean, 6 weeks for a filling. It's ridiculous.
Of course, in reality, I need to have my braces taken off to have the filling replaced and my next orthodontic appointment is on the 6th January, both in the morning and afternoon, so they can take it off in the morning, allowing my dentist to do the work and fit my new wire in the afternoon.
The NHS procedure is now very very different for a filling. Unless my dentists is running a pilot. You now get an initial assessment, you get a cleaning, and told to come back in three months. If in those three months your oral hygiene has not improved, you will not get treatment.
Its the equivalent of being told you wont get medical treatment until you stop smoking/improve diet.
Whether it is right or wrong, it is quite a bold step in publicly funded health provision.
Wow, is that a one-off or is this now a standard thing?
The dentist said it was now standard at his practice and implied it was across the NHS. The thing is my oral hygiene wasnt bad, room for improvement, as there always is, but in the higher range for all their assessment numbers.
He told me i needed to clean my teeth minimum three times a day, not rinse my mouth after brushing and that i need to buy an electric toothbrush. Unless i did that he doesnt expect to see an improvement. No improvement, no treatment.
3 times a day? Not rinsing?
What fresh hell is this dental regime.....
Sounds like another clever wheeze to persuade people to go to A&E when they're in pain.
How the hell are you lot all on NHS dentists ?
For myself, by extreme good fortune, and a local-authority-arranged waiting list to be notified of when "local" dentists were accepting new NHS patients.
What @rcs1000 said about Proxies and Thor and IP addresses meanwhile...not a scooby doo.
[snip]
Anonymous web browsing is neither illegal, immoral nor fattening. But anybody using it properly cannot be identified easily. This enables things like sockpuppets (one person presenting as two or more people) or interested parties hiding their interest.
Slightly fixed if you will excuse me, viewcode. And for the record I use Tor on my main home machine and my laptops.
The Parliamentary Labour Party needs to show enough discipline to keep this stuff quiet though. Leaking with reckless abandon isn't going to improve anything.
There was considerable anger at my CLP meeting last week at the lack of professionalism from some of these MPs who are giving a running commentary to the media. Including a couple of people saying they suspected some MPs were deliberately trying to stoke up the media narrative against them so that we'd lose the Oldham by-election. And this was at a CLP meeting which (to my surprise) voted to oppose air-strikes by only one vote.
I think that view is fairly common. I'd like Corbyn gone tomorrow but don't think he PLP should give a running commentary of what is a private meeting by twitter. I'd say the same about the Shadow Cabinet if Milne hadn't leaked the intended outcome to the gnuriad so they all got alerts 7 minutes into the meeting. Live by he briefing die by the briefing.
The Parliamentary Labour Party needs to show enough discipline to keep this stuff quiet though. Leaking with reckless abandon isn't going to improve anything.
There was considerable anger at my CLP meeting last week at the lack of professionalism from some of these MPs who are giving a running commentary to the media. Including a couple of people saying they suspected some MPs were deliberately trying to stoke up the media narrative against them so that we'd lose the Oldham by-election. And this was at a CLP meeting which (to my surprise) voted to oppose air-strikes by only one vote.
I think that view is fairly common. I'd like Corbyn gone tomorrow but don't think he PLP should give a running commentary of what is a private meeting by twitter. I'd say the same about the Shadow Cabinet if Milne hadn't leaked the intended outcome to the gnuriad so they all got alerts 7 minutes into the meeting. Live by he briefing die by the briefing.
Corbyn's little helper, Milne, is either stunningly useless or very arrogant.
The Parliamentary Labour Party needs to show enough discipline to keep this stuff quiet though. Leaking with reckless abandon isn't going to improve anything.
There was considerable anger at my CLP meeting last week at the lack of professionalism from some of these MPs who are giving a running commentary to the media. Including a couple of people saying they suspected some MPs were deliberately trying to stoke up the media narrative against them so that we'd lose the Oldham by-election. And this was at a CLP meeting which (to my surprise) voted to oppose air-strikes by only one vote.
I think that view is fairly common. I'd like Corbyn gone tomorrow but don't think he PLP should give a running commentary of what is a private meeting by twitter. I'd say the same about the Shadow Cabinet if Milne hadn't leaked the intended outcome to the gnuriad so they all got alerts 7 minutes into the meeting. Live by he briefing die by the briefing.
Corbyn's little helper, Milne, is either stunningly useless or very arrogant.
The Parliamentary Labour Party needs to show enough discipline to keep this stuff quiet though. Leaking with reckless abandon isn't going to improve anything.
There was considerable anger at my CLP meeting last week at the lack of professionalism from some of these MPs who are giving a running commentary to the media. Including a couple of people saying they suspected some MPs were deliberately trying to stoke up the media narrative against them so that we'd lose the Oldham by-election. And this was at a CLP meeting which (to my surprise) voted to oppose air-strikes by only one vote.
I think that view is fairly common. I'd like Corbyn gone tomorrow but don't think he PLP should give a running commentary of what is a private meeting by twitter. I'd say the same about the Shadow Cabinet if Milne hadn't leaked the intended outcome to the gnuriad so they all got alerts 7 minutes into the meeting. Live by he briefing die by the briefing.
Corbyn's little helper, Milne, is either stunningly useless or very arrogant.
My general advice now is brush your teeth properly. It is worth it.
Agreed - dentists must hate the electric toothbrush....
My dentist is always moaning that I should floss. I probably should, but I'm hoping that my bi-annual visits to the dentist/hygienist make up for it.
Alistair- did you not go to the dentist for 10 years, or did they keep badgering you about stuff but failed to follow through on it (much like me?)
Do we have any dentists on here?
My anecdotal experience from my family and others is that with modern dental hygiene teeth quality is pretty genetic. My parents are both blessed with excellent teeth. A chap I play cricket has a mouth that looks like a horror show - as does his Dad!
My mum has good teeth, my dad not so much. So 50/50
I'm the opposite. My late mother had all her teeth out, seemingly on a whim, on the recommendation of the dentist, aged 46. I never really got over the shock, and viewed dentists as butchers thereafter, probably to the detriment of my own dental health, although the teeth were never that bad, and look great now after I summoned up the courage to have them fixed finally in Slovakia.
Dad managed to keep all but two of his teeth until he shuffled off at 85...
My general advice now is brush your teeth properly. It is worth it.
Agreed - dentists must hate the electric toothbrush....
My dentist is always moaning that I should floss. I probably should, but I'm hoping that my bi-annual visits to the dentist/hygienist make up for it.
Alistair- did you not go to the dentist for 10 years, or did they keep badgering you about stuff but failed to follow through on it (much like me?)
Do we have any dentists on here?
My anecdotal experience from my family and others is that with modern dental hygiene teeth quality is pretty genetic. My parents are both blessed with excellent teeth. A chap I play cricket has a mouth that looks like a horror show - as does his Dad!
My mum has good teeth, my dad not so much. So 50/50
I'm the opposite. My late mother had all her teeth out, seemingly on a whim, on the recommendation of the dentist, aged 46. I never really got over the shock, and viewed dentists as butchers thereafter, probably to the detriment of my own dental health, although the teeth were never that bad, and look great now after I summoned up the courage to have them fixed finally in Slovakia.
Dad managed to keep all but two of his teeth until he shuffled off at 85...
There was a fashion in the '40s & '50s to 'take all teeth out' and replace them with 'more modern dentures' - my mother was a victim of this, though I remember my grandmother commenting with pride on the good deed they had done!
When CCHQ are ordering Tory MPs to voice their support for him on social media you know his days are numbered.
Signing off on project expenditure does not necessarily entailed having detailed knowledge of the individuals involved
You can approve a budget without ever having met the person tasked with running it.
There is a lot of muck being spread - and it is surely better to let the new independent investigation explore this before assuming that everything from Guido or his friends on the Sun is the truth.
I am not saying Feldman is innocent - just that the evidence is not yet compelling enough to persuade me of his ultimate culpability
Well said. There's a lot of innuendo being thrown about for political point scoring and for selling papers. Time to let the inquiry do its work.
15:05 Start eating Refresher bar (Left over from Halloween) 15:06 Discover I had pulled out filling with aforesaid Refresher bar 15:07 Swear 15:08 Phone dentist 15:40 Turn up at dentist 15:45 Seen by dentist 16:00 Leave with new filling
And it cost me Fourteen whole pounds!
I need a filling replaced and I can't get it until January the 6th,.
How shocking is that, what a shoddy way to treat patients, the NHS should be ashamed, just think of the pain and suffering I will have to go through until the NHS can be bothered to actually treat me in the way my taxes deserve.
Something should be done and the SNP should be utterly ashamed at the way they've allowed the Scottish NHS to fail people like me. I mean, 6 weeks for a filling. It's ridiculous.
Of course, in reality, I need to have my braces taken off to have the filling replaced and my next orthodontic appointment is on the 6th January, both in the morning and afternoon, so they can take it off in the morning, allowing my dentist to do the work and fit my new wire in the afternoon.
The NHS procedure is now very very different for a filling. Unless my dentists is running a pilot. You now get an initial assessment, you get a cleaning, and told to come back in three months. If in those three months your oral hygiene has not improved, you will not get treatment.
Its the equivalent of being told you wont get medical treatment until you stop smoking/improve diet.
Whether it is right or wrong, it is quite a bold step in publicly funded health provision.
Wow, is that a one-off or is this now a standard thing?
The dentist said it was now standard at his practice and implied it was across the NHS. The thing is my oral hygiene wasnt bad, room for improvement, as there always is, but in the higher range for all their assessment numbers.
He told me i needed to clean my teeth minimum three times a day, not rinse my mouth after brushing and that i need to buy an electric toothbrush. Unless i did that he doesnt expect to see an improvement. No improvement, no treatment.
3 times a day? Not rinsing?
What fresh hell is this dental regime.....
Sounds like another clever wheeze to persuade people to go to A&E when they're in pain.
How the hell are you lot all on NHS dentists ?
I have 3 NHS dentists within a 7 minute walk of my home, all taking registrations.
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Honestly, it's the only way to discuss politics at length without becoming too angry and intense all the time. Distractions ahoy!
I always find the really senior people quite pleasant to deal with. Ask a polite question, get a polite and informative answer is the rule.
My anecdotal experience from my family and others is that with modern dental hygiene teeth quality is pretty genetic. My parents are both blessed with excellent teeth. A chap I play cricket has a mouth that looks like a horror show - as does his Dad!
But there are ways to obscure your IP address, either by hiding it entirely or pretending to be somewhere else. You can link to the internet not directly, but via a "proxy server" - every page you look at has to go thru the proxy and the proxy doesn't tell the page supplier who you are, it just hands it on. A "Tor" (not Thor!) browser links encryptedly to a smaller network which in turn links to the larger internet, and again the smaller network doesn't tell the page supplier who you are. So anybody using a proxy or a Tor browser is anonymous.
Anonymous web browsing is neither illegal, immoral nor fattening. But anybody using it cannot be identified. This enables things like sockpuppets (one person presenting as two or more people) or interested parties hiding their interest.
Time for a green tea and then off to bed so I can be fresh for another day of misunderstanding the world and asking for all the wrong things.
However, perhaps it would be best if it was clear to anyone reading a post that the author had chosen to hide their location.
Its the equivalent of being told you wont get medical treatment until you stop smoking/improve diet.
Whether it is right or wrong, it is quite a bold step in publicly funded health provision.
Anyway, my bedtime cuppa is made so goodnight one and all.
And for the record I use Tor on my main home machine and my laptops.
http://huff.to/1YEoUCy
The Parliamentary Labour Party needs to show enough discipline to keep this stuff quiet though. Leaking with reckless abandon isn't going to improve anything.
I contacted said user to warn them that their machine might be being used for nefarious purposes, and they dropped off the site without even giving me a response.
Belatedly I concluded that said user was a professional sock puppet.
Wise to try it on a near-end-of-life.
Just sayin'
And interesting, too, that the sort of professional sock-puppetry we sometimes jest about really does exist on here....
He told me i needed to clean my teeth minimum three times a day, not rinse my mouth after brushing and that i need to buy an electric toothbrush. Unless i did that he doesnt expect to see an improvement. No improvement, no treatment.
Not rinsing?
What fresh hell is this dental regime.....
When CCHQ are ordering Tory MPs to voice their support for him on social media you know his days are numbered.
*(apart from some of the more insane ones)
When CCHQ are ordering Tory MPs to voice their support for him on social media you know his days are numbered.
Signing off on project expenditure does not necessarily entailed having detailed knowledge of the individuals involved
You can approve a budget without ever having met the person tasked with running it.
There is a lot of muck being spread - and it is surely better to let the new independent investigation explore this before assuming that everything from Guido or his friends on the Sun is the truth.
I am not saying Feldman is innocent - just that the evidence is not yet compelling enough to persuade me of his ultimate culpability
When CCHQ are ordering Tory MPs to voice their support for him on social media you know his days are numbered.
The battlebus won the election for the tories and monstered Labour's 'ground war', they didnt see it coming. Every weekend was like a by election in some marginal seats. They had so many volunteers they didnt know what to do with them, its a shame that this sh*t seems to have being a bully. It was a stupendously good idea that worked amazingly.
We canvassed an entire constituency in one day. An entire constituency!! Have you any idea how long it takes to canvass 20,000 households for a team of six canvassers ?
We canvassed an entire constituency in one day. An entire constituency!! Have you any idea how long it takes to canvass 20,000 households for a team of six canvassers ?
Sad but true. Iti may have been run by Captain Bligh, but it worked. Presumably most of the volunteers were having a good time or they wouldn't have turned out so often.
I find my Felko garden hand secateurs perfectly adequate for this job.
Very much so, it was actually back to the roots of what the Conservative Party used to be about, finding someone..... A lot of socialising, booze and food (not so much the booze where i was, as it was very much, eat, get the job done and go).
http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/2015/11/seumas-milne-causes-problems-for-the-guardian/
But he did ensure his kids went to grammar school:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11951866/Exclusive-Jeremy-Corbyns-millionaire-spin-doctor-Seumas-Milne-sent-his-children-to-top-grammar-schools.html
Dad managed to keep all but two of his teeth until he shuffled off at 85...
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-34969424
You can approve a budget without ever having met the person tasked with running it.
There is a lot of muck being spread - and it is surely better to let the new independent investigation explore this before assuming that everything from Guido or his friends on the Sun is the truth.
I am not saying Feldman is innocent - just that the evidence is not yet compelling enough to persuade me of his ultimate culpability
Well said. There's a lot of innuendo being thrown about for political point scoring and for selling papers. Time to let the inquiry do its work.
Here's what I guess'll transpire:
Electorate 69033
Turnout 42% / 29000
MCMAHON..11000
BICKLEY. .....12500
DALVEY..........4000
OTH................1500