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  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Tim_B said:

    I've installed Office 2016 and for the life of me I can't see any difference from Office 2013.

    There was a huge windows 10 update the other day and other than than the query space on the taskbar now saying "I'm Cortana. Ask me anything." I can't see anything new in that either.

    For some reason I feel vaguely cheated.

    FPT x several. Re Library membership.
    Yes, I could have rejoined but they wanted umpteen bits of ID and poof of address supplying.
    For the amount that I would have used it, I couldn't be arsed and gave up.
    poof of address

    Now you have my attention ;)

    My favorite things about the library are that I can a) borrow ebooks to my Kindle, and they just disappear after 21 days, and b) I borrow audiobooks to put on my iPod Classic (160gb) and listen to while driving. These days I rarely borrow an actual book. I can order a book or audiobook and it is delivered to my local branch. I can return it to any branch of the Gwinnett County Library. They try really hard to be a resource that people can use, and they are good at it. They have lots of programs - author visits, reading to kids etc. The fact that the head librarian is in my Rotary Club doesn't hurt though.

    Doesn't sound as if the libraries in the UK strive to be a useful resource.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 52,541

    A few points. Most of the new Labour membership will...

    1. Live in London
    2. Subscribe to the London Review of Books
    3. Not be seen dead somewhere like Oldham. Unless a branch of Cereal Killer Cafe opens there...

    Oh and

    4. They're likely not registered to vote.

    3. You are quite wrong. They would be quite happy to move to Oldham to take up a job with the council on a 6 figure consultancy basis.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    AndyJS said:

    justin124 said:

    felix said:

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    Harriet Harman's response to Osborne's July Budget and the decision to abstain on the welfare cuts created the momentum for Corbyn. A very serious error of judgement on her part.

    It was an attempt to talk sanity rather than absurdity. True the labour party did not listen, but that is why in the end it has to be assessed as unsuitable for government.
    A rightwing Tory committed to a neoliberal agenda would tend to see the world that way but coming from a stand -in Labour leader it was appalling.
    I think you're missing the point. Harman is no favourite of mine but she caught a glimmer of the truth about why Labour lost in May - as always it was the economy stupid - the public do not trust Labour to sort out the economy and accept the need for austerity [ however little the like the details]. Ever since Corbyn reversed her attempts to make the party see sense and rowed the party further left the writing for Corbyn's Labour has been on the wall. As a tory I'm very pleased that the membership cannot see this.
    I am not surprised that as a Tory you are happy with Harman's performance. Many voters failed to support Labour in May because they were perceived as Torylite in their attitude to austerity and failed to offer an alternative. Labour was on the defensive on the economy throughout the last Parliament due to its failure to effectively counter the Tory Coalition 'Clearing up Labour's mess ' narrative.That IMHO is why Labour failed to make progress. Most voters are pretty ignorant when it comes to economics but perhaps find it easier to spot whether meaningful change was on offer from the Opposition. I happen to believe that Ed Balls was right about Osborne's austerity policies and were they alive I suspect he would have had the support of former Chancellors such as - Roy Jenkins - Reggie Maudling- RA Butler and Hugh Gaitskell.
    The number of voters who failed to support Labour because they viewed the party as Torylite would have been tiny compared to the number who regarded the party as too left-wing.
    Unlikely - under Milliband Labour was still to the right of where the Tories were under Macmillan and Heath.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "Peter Kellner
    The Pollster

    Why Corbyn should be worried about the Oldham by-election
    A majority of less than 4,000 would be terrible news for the Labour leader"


    http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/blogs/peter-kellner/why-corbyn-should-be-worried-about-the-oldham-by-election
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Floater said:

    via the Telegraph

    Controlled explosion at Bluewater Shopping Centre
    Bomb disposal experts were called to carry out a controlled explosion at the Bluewater Shopping Centre in Kent following the discovery of a suspect package.
    The centre, packed with Christmas shoppers, was partially evacuated while the suspect package was dealth with. Witnesses said they heard a huge bang.
    A spokesman for Kent Police said: 'Kent Police is currently dealing with a security alert at Bluewater shopping centre after a package was discovered unattended.
    "Several shops have been evacuated as a precaution. Enquiries are continuing.'

    5-1 some kid is not getting his XBox for Christmas now.
    - or a PS4 if they're from Syria.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,143
    Terrible result for Labour, not only does their 27% score equal their worst ever result under Michael Foot it also suggests there has been a swing of 4% to the Tories since the election, even if it is Comres it does suggest that Alistair Campbell's statement that Labour is now weak on the economy, security and leadership has come true. Bring back Ed Miliband, all is forgiven!
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @ZoraSuleman: Downing St sources say PM will ask MPs next week "Do you want to be Churchill Or Chamberlain "? Its as he pushes for airstrikes in Syria
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,143
    edited 2015 21
    justin124 said:

    AndyJS said:

    justin124 said:

    felix said:

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    Harriet Harman's response to Osborne's July Budget and the decision to abstain on the welfare cuts created the momentum for Corbyn. A very serious error of judgement on her part.

    It was an attempt to talk sanity rather than absurdity. True the labour party did not listen, but that is why in the end it has to be assessed as unsuitable for government.
    A rightwing Tory committed to a neoliberal agenda would tend to see the world that way but coming from a stand -in Labour leader it was appalling.
    I think you're missing the point. Harman is no favourite of mine but she caught a glimmer of the truth about why Labour lost in May - as always it was the economy stupid - the public do not trust Labour to sort out the economy and accept the need for austerity [ however little the like the details]. Ever since Corbyn reversed her attempts to make the party see sense and rowed the party further left the writing for Corbyn's Labour has been on the wall. As a tory I'm very pleased that the membership cannot see this.
    I am not surprised that as a Tory you are happy with Harman's performance. Many voters failed to support Labour in May because they were perceived as Torylite in their attitude to austerity and failed to offer an alternative. Labour was on the defensive on the economy throughout the last Parliament due to its failure to effectively counter the Tory Coalition 'Clearing up Labour's mess ' narrative.That IMHO is why Labour failed to make progress. Most voters are pretty ignorant when it comes to economics but perhaps find it easier to spot whether meaningful change was on offer from the Opposition. I happen to believe that Ed Balls was right about Osborne's austerity policies and were they alive I suspect he would have had the support of former Chancellors such as - Roy Jenkins - Reggie Maudling- RA Butler and Hugh Gaitskell.
    The number of voters who failed to support Labour because they viewed the party as Torylite would have been tiny compared to the number who regarded the party as too left-wing.
    Unlikely - under Milliband Labour was still to the right of where the Tories were under Macmillan and Heath.
    Cameron is to the left of Gladstone, So what?
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903

    AndyJS said:

    dyingswan said:

    Many thanks to Tissue Price and Tom Wilson for the link. The Labour party is in deep trouble on that report. It looks as if the WWC has already formed a judgment about the values of the new leadership.

    How could a party's membership get so out of touch with its own voters? That's the big puzzle.
    Not so puzzling. Labour treat their voters with contempt. They know better than their voters do. Don't need to ask their views on immigration, EU referendum, national security, nuclear deterrent etc etc.... They will get what they are given.
    I thin it is rather that the modern UK metropolitan elite left (aka the Corbynistas) are a grafting of Multiculturalism (aka every culture but English is wonderful) onto saloon bar Marxism.

    The first part means that, to the Corbanistas, WWC are somewhere between suspect and guilty of racism/toryism. Also their culture is evil, stupid & non existent (yes, I know).

    Strangely the WWC do not think that, just by existing, they are guilt of anything.

    Corbynistas are not the Metropolitan elite. They are the far left and they have never been close to government. The Metropolitan elite actually holds power - in politics, the media, the judiciary, the City and big business. Corbynism is as much a reaction to this elite as grassroots UKIP is (much of the leadership is part of it).

    Corbyn is Big Brother to McDonnald's O'Brien.
    Blair is of course Labour's Goldstein.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @suttonnick: From tomorrow's Observer:
    Labour split widens over joining Syrian airstrikes
    #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers https://t.co/PdnRB18le7
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,449

    Floater said:

    Thanks for the responses. Part of the reason for my curiosity, I admit is because part of my family comes comes from an immigrant background. My grandparents on my mum's side are from the West Indies and emigrated from there in the 50s.

    I lost count of the "immigrants", (it's not a pleasant expression) who I canvassed at the GE who insisted we had to control numbers.

    an Indian first generation immigrant.
    How do you qualify as a second generation immigrant?
    One's parents came from overseas.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Can't make this up - watching BBC World News and the guy's name is Ben Bland.

    On the other hand they do weather at 30 after the hour. They murder place names. They persist in giving the US temperatures in centigrade which nobody here can understand. But it's nice to live somewhere where a cold front arrives and the temperatures are in the 50s (50 is apparently 10 degrees C)
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    What happened to our resident Baxter expert?

    @TheRedRag: Electoral calculus for tonight's ComRes poll Conservative majority of 134. https://t.co/P2zi9Iz3In (New Boundaries) https://t.co/h7G2SmuBum
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,233
    Scott_P said:

    What happened to our resident Baxter expert?

    @TheRedRag: Electoral calculus for tonight's ComRes poll Conservative majority of 134. https://t.co/P2zi9Iz3In (New Boundaries) https://t.co/h7G2SmuBum

    42% and we still don't get an extra seat in Scotland :'(
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Popcorn for breakfast...

    @MarrShow: Ahead of next week's Autumn Statement we'll be joined by Chancellor @George_Osborne & Shadow Chancellor @johnmcdonnellMP. #marrshow #sunday
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,233
    Scott_P said:

    What happened to our resident Baxter expert?

    @TheRedRag: Electoral calculus for tonight's ComRes poll Conservative majority of 134. https://t.co/P2zi9Iz3In (New Boundaries) https://t.co/h7G2SmuBum

    Erm, Baxter needs to update his site. These predictions are based on the 2010 results. So take with a pinch of salt.
  • TomTom Posts: 273
    Scott_P said:

    @ZoraSuleman: Downing St sources say PM will ask MPs next week "Do you want to be Churchill Or Chamberlain "? Its as he pushes for airstrikes in Syria

    I hope he doesn't it's a silly line that would make him sound trivial. There is no parallel between Syria now and 1930s Europe. Doesn't mean we shouldn't intervene but let it be based on a considered approach with some thought given to long term outcomes - not trite historical comparisons.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    HYUFD said:

    Terrible result for Labour, not only does their 27% score equal their worst ever result under Michael Foot it also suggests there has been a swing of 4% to the Tories since the election, even if it is Comres it does suggest that Alistair Campbell's statement that Labour is now weak on the economy, security and leadership has come true. Bring back Ed Miliband, all is forgiven!

    But Comres has been coming up with similar figures since late May! Nothing new there.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 52,541
    Scott_P said:

    @ZoraSuleman: Downing St sources say PM will ask MPs next week "Do you want to be Churchill Or Chamberlain "? Its as he pushes for airstrikes in Syria

    The interesting bit will happen after ISIL is defeated. The Iraqi government and it's attendant militias regard any Sunni in ISIL held territory as a supporter. So do many of the Kurds.. and so and a so forth.

    This is why the Western approach (and their allies in the region, such as the Jordanians) has been containment rather than defeat of ISIL. If the current forces on the ground defeat ISIL, ethic cleansing on a massive scale will result.

    Aside from the moral aspect, this has legal implications - if airpower is used to back the victory of ethnic cleansers, there would be a good case that those providing the airpower would be legally responsible.

    The American attempts to build up a *Sunni* fighting force against ISIL have to be seen in this light.

    The template they are trying to us is the end of the war in Yugoslavia - it ended when the Americans backed the Croats and the Bosnians with sufficient arms to slowly push back the Serbians until they agreed to talks. A major component in this was forward observers who, when local Croat and Bosniac commanders started misbehaving, would arrange to cut off their logistical supplies. In this way, the US kept their "allies" on best behavior.

    Quite simply, this wont work is this case. The hate for ISIL runs too deep. The attractions of simply eliminating a population that might or might not be ISIL sympathizers will be too strong. So several million Sunnis will be kicked out of their homes.... at best. At worst....

    The question really is - will Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi get tax credits when he claims asylum?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,143
    justin124 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Terrible result for Labour, not only does their 27% score equal their worst ever result under Michael Foot it also suggests there has been a swing of 4% to the Tories since the election, even if it is Comres it does suggest that Alistair Campbell's statement that Labour is now weak on the economy, security and leadership has come true. Bring back Ed Miliband, all is forgiven!

    But Comres has been coming up with similar figures since late May! Nothing new there.
    Not this bad though it confirms Corbyn's dreadful week and this poll is a 1983 style trouncing for Labour
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Tim_B said:

    Can't make this up - watching BBC World News and the guy's name is Ben Bland.

    On the other hand they do weather at 30 after the hour. They murder place names. They persist in giving the US temperatures in centigrade which nobody here can understand. But it's nice to live somewhere where a cold front arrives and the temperatures are in the 50s (50 is apparently 10 degrees C)

    30 is hot
    20 is warm
    10 is cold
    0 is freezing.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,143
    Cromwell said:

    The Downfall of Trump

    The Wall Street Journal is reporting that Liz Mair, a “well-connected” former online communications director for the Republican National Committee, is trying to line up secret donors behind a “guerrilla campaign” to “defeat and destroy” Donald Trump’s frontrunning presidential candidacy. The Journal adds that other establishment Republicans now seem to be ramping up both the scale and bluntness of their attacks on Trump as well, including new SuperPAC campaigns, but Mair’s group, Trump Card LLC, might end up being the most extreme. It apparently plans to produce ads and web videos “that attract media attention based on their 'outrageousness and boundary-breaking or bizarre nature’” including such tactics as comparing Trump to his arch-nemesis Rosie O'Donnell, hiring a Trump impersonator to emphasize the candidate's jerkitude, and highlighting how Trump's positions and business tactics run counter to Republican ideology. On top of all that, the intention of the campaign is to attack Trump so brutally that his supporters not only abandon him, but abstain from voting in the primaries altogether.
    -------------------------------------------------

    Trump is vulnerable to attack and ridicule ; he is easy to parody ...the GOP will make a laughing stock of him ...he's like a big spoilt kid incapable of taking criticism

    The GOP hit squad will get rid of Trump ...they will not allow this rich jerk to ruin their chances

    The GOP establishment can ridicule Trump as much as the Labour establishment ridiculed Corbyn but their base is fed up with the establishment and want to close the borders, they want Trump's tough line not Rubio's amnesty
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    Tim_B said:

    Can't make this up - watching BBC World News and the guy's name is Ben Bland.

    On the other hand they do weather at 30 after the hour. They murder place names. They persist in giving the US temperatures in centigrade which nobody here can understand. But it's nice to live somewhere where a cold front arrives and the temperatures are in the 50s (50 is apparently 10 degrees C)

    30 is hot
    20 is warm
    10 is cold
    0 is freezing.
    Traslated into Texan:

    40 is normal
    30 is chilly
    20 is cold
    10 is freezing
    0 is 'what is that strange white stuff on the ground in the mornings'
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    HYUFD said:

    justin124 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Terrible result for Labour, not only does their 27% score equal their worst ever result under Michael Foot it also suggests there has been a swing of 4% to the Tories since the election, even if it is Comres it does suggest that Alistair Campbell's statement that Labour is now weak on the economy, security and leadership has come true. Bring back Ed Miliband, all is forgiven!

    But Comres has been coming up with similar figures since late May! Nothing new there.
    Not this bad though it confirms Corbyn's dreadful week and this poll is a 1983 style trouncing for Labour
    I just saw him interviewed on BBC World News by Laura Kuensberg (sp?). He looks like Ben Carson on steroids, and obviously doesn't know how to tie a tie. It was a question about boots on the ground in Syria. He's hardly an inspiring leader.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 29,482

    Scott_P said:

    @ZoraSuleman: Downing St sources say PM will ask MPs next week "Do you want to be Churchill Or Chamberlain "? Its as he pushes for airstrikes in Syria

    The interesting bit will happen after ISIL is defeated. The Iraqi government and it's attendant militias regard any Sunni in ISIL held territory as a supporter. So do many of the Kurds.. and so and a so forth.

    This is why the Western approach (and their allies in the region, such as the Jordanians) has been containment rather than defeat of ISIL. If the current forces on the ground defeat ISIL, ethic cleansing on a massive scale will result.

    Aside from the moral aspect, this has legal implications - if airpower is used to back the victory of ethnic cleansers, there would be a good case that those providing the airpower would be legally responsible.

    The American attempts to build up a *Sunni* fighting force against ISIL have to be seen in this light.

    The template they are trying to us is the end of the war in Yugoslavia - it ended when the Americans backed the Croats and the Bosnians with sufficient arms to slowly push back the Serbians until they agreed to talks. A major component in this was forward observers who, when local Croat and Bosniac commanders started misbehaving, would arrange to cut off their logistical supplies. In this way, the US kept their "allies" on best behavior.

    Quite simply, this wont work is this case. The hate for ISIL runs too deep. The attractions of simply eliminating a population that might or might not be ISIL sympathizers will be too strong. So several million Sunnis will be kicked out of their homes.... at best. At worst....

    The question really is - will Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi get tax credits when he claims asylum?
    You appear both to over-estimate ISIS' support amongst the Sunni population of both Syria and Iraq, and on the flip side to have unjustified fears about reprisals should they be defeated. The majority of Assad's army and many key figures in his government are Sunni. Partitioning Syria and Iraq into a series of weak religion/ethnicity defined states favours the US and its regional allies; it has very little to do with requirements on the ground.
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    Mr Malmesbury...
    I rather think the interesting bit would be if ISIS are not defeated. It's not as if they are going to hold back in executing opponents.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Tim_B said:

    Can't make this up - watching BBC World News and the guy's name is Ben Bland.

    On the other hand they do weather at 30 after the hour. They murder place names. They persist in giving the US temperatures in centigrade which nobody here can understand. But it's nice to live somewhere where a cold front arrives and the temperatures are in the 50s (50 is apparently 10 degrees C)

    30 is hot
    20 is warm
    10 is cold
    0 is freezing.
    In old money -
    95 is hot (in 2011 we memorably had >95 straight days over 95 - it was brutal)
    85 is warm
    75 is cool
    65 is cool but you wear a jacket
    55 is cold
    45 is very cold
    32 is freezing and you stay indoors watching football
    <32 don't want to think about, and it happens rarely here

    A problem living in the South - few people have real winter coats, as they are rarely needed.
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    kle4"L

    'LDs not rising in obscurity I see.'


    Just being completely ignored.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,164
    SeanT said:

    AndyJS said:

    I watched the week review on sky earlier, Kevin Maguire, a London based Mirror journalist is in total denial about immigration. All the while they are their vote will continue to drop.

    I don't think he's in denial, he just doesn't want to admit he might have got anything wrong.
    The point is for every person in London agreeing with him there's two elsewhere disagreeing. Labour have lost Scotland completely, it's anybody's guess how low they'll fall.
    Just had drinks with two lefty north London friends, both totally Labour, both think Corbyn's heart is in the right place. They are both smart but utterly naive and idiotic when it comes to electoral politics: they literally cannot understand why ANYONE would vote for evil Cameron and Osborne.

    They appreciate that Corbyn is fairly left but still think he should be sweeping the nation, his lack of popularity bewilders them, as - and I quote - "everyone I know really likes Corbyn".

    Corbymania exists. It's almost exclusively a London middle class phenomenon, with a few Greens and associated nutters from the regions. And that's it.

    To be fair one of these lefty friends did see the serious problem with Corbyn's remarks on national security. But the other gave me this classic quote when asked about Labour's inability to appeal to the centre or right - "why should we have to worry about all those voters in the middle".

    Almost identical to what I regularly encounter. From my experience, this sort of attitude generally comes from those who were born into wealth and can't quite cope with it.

    Those who I know and have met who have acquired wealth and status from a very weak starting position are Tory to a man/woman.

    Incidentally, the former examples are frequently children of the latter. Guilt?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Liz Kendall in 1995 looking a bit like Kate Winslet:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a96nmRIOtc4
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,143
    edited 2015 21
    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    justin124 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Terrible result for Labour, not only does their 27% score equal their worst ever result under Michael Foot it also suggests there has been a swing of 4% to the Tories since the election, even if it is Comres it does suggest that Alistair Campbell's statement that Labour is now weak on the economy, security and leadership has come true. Bring back Ed Miliband, all is forgiven!

    But Comres has been coming up with similar figures since late May! Nothing new there.
    Not this bad though it confirms Corbyn's dreadful week and this poll is a 1983 style trouncing for Labour
    I just saw him interviewed on BBC World News by Laura Kuensberg (sp?). He looks like Ben Carson on steroids, and obviously doesn't know how to tie a tie. It was a question about boots on the ground in Syria. He's hardly an inspiring leader.
    Indeed and worse for Corbyn Osborne has a 3% higher favourability rating and a 6% lower unfavourability rating. The only crumb of comfort for Corbyn is that in November 2001 the Tories under IDS polled 29% and 25% with ICM and Mori but as IDS was ousted in two years it us not that comforting
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,624
    SeanT said:

    AndyJS said:

    I watched the week review on sky earlier, Kevin Maguire, a London based Mirror journalist is in total denial about immigration. All the while they are their vote will continue to drop.

    I don't think he's in denial, he just doesn't want to admit he might have got anything wrong.
    The point is for every person in London agreeing with him there's two elsewhere disagreeing. Labour have lost Scotland completely, it's anybody's guess how low they'll fall.
    Just had drinks with two lefty north London friends, both totally Labour, both think Corbyn's heart is in the right place. They are both smart but utterly naive and idiotic when it comes to electoral politics: they literally cannot understand why ANYONE would vote for evil Cameron and Osborne.

    They appreciate that Corbyn is fairly left but still think he should be sweeping the nation, his lack of popularity bewilders them, as - and I quote - "everyone I know really likes Corbyn".

    Corbymania exists. It's almost exclusively a London middle class phenomenon, with a few Greens and associated nutters from the regions. And that's it.

    To be fair one of these lefty friends did see the serious problem with Corbyn's remarks on national security. But the other gave me this classic quote when asked about Labour's inability to appeal to the centre or right - "why should we have to worry about all those voters in the middle".

    I don't think it is just your two friends, but I think you are right. It is definitely a London thing that thinks there has been some sort of collective Corbgasm and that it is just the nasty Mail being mean about him. My twitter timeline is just constant positive stuff about him, like he is the second coming, but as we know from the GE just became certain people shout loudly on twitter that isn't how the nation is feeling.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,842
    Mortimer said:

    SeanT said:

    AndyJS said:

    I watched the week review on sky earlier, Kevin Maguire, a London based Mirror journalist is in total denial about immigration. All the while they are their vote will continue to drop.

    I don't think he's in denial, he just doesn't want to admit he might have got anything wrong.
    The point is for every person in London agreeing with him there's two elsewhere disagreeing. Labour have lost Scotland completely, it's anybody's guess how low they'll fall.
    Just had drinks with two lefty north London friends, both totally Labour, both think Corbyn's heart is in the right place. They are both smart but utterly naive and idiotic when it comes to electoral politics: they literally cannot understand why ANYONE would vote for evil Cameron and Osborne.

    They appreciate that Corbyn is fairly left but still think he should be sweeping the nation, his lack of popularity bewilders them, as - and I quote - "everyone I know really likes Corbyn".

    Corbymania exists. It's almost exclusively a London middle class phenomenon, with a few Greens and associated nutters from the regions. And that's it.

    To be fair one of these lefty friends did see the serious problem with Corbyn's remarks on national security. But the other gave me this classic quote when asked about Labour's inability to appeal to the centre or right - "why should we have to worry about all those voters in the middle".

    Almost identical to what I regularly encounter. From my experience, this sort of attitude generally comes from those who were born into wealth and can't quite cope with it.

    Those who I know and have met who have acquired wealth and status from a very weak starting position are Tory to a man/woman.

    Incidentally, the former examples are frequently children of the latter. Guilt?

    I know plenty of people from non-privileged backgrounds who are well off and not Tory. They're not Corbyn Labour either, mind.

  • LucyJonesLucyJones Posts: 651
    SeanT said:

    AndyJS said:

    I watched the week review on sky earlier, Kevin Maguire, a London based Mirror journalist is in total denial about immigration. All the while they are their vote will continue to drop.

    I don't think he's in denial, he just doesn't want to admit he might have got anything wrong.
    The point is for every person in London agreeing with him there's two elsewhere disagreeing. Labour have lost Scotland completely, it's anybody's guess how low they'll fall.
    Just had drinks with two lefty north London friends, both totally Labour, both think Corbyn's heart is in the right place. They are both smart but utterly naive and idiotic when it comes to electoral politics: they literally cannot understand why ANYONE would vote for evil Cameron and Osborne.

    They appreciate that Corbyn is fairly left but still think he should be sweeping the nation, his lack of popularity bewilders them, as - and I quote - "everyone I know really likes Corbyn".

    Corbymania exists. It's almost exclusively a London middle class phenomenon, with a few Greens and associated nutters from the regions. And that's it.

    To be fair one of these lefty friends did see the serious problem with Corbyn's remarks on national security. But the other gave me this classic quote when asked about Labour's inability to appeal to the centre or right - "why should we have to worry about all those voters in the middle".

    Was thinking about the Oldham by-election (as you do) and wondered about the reaction from fans of Corbyn, in the event that Ukip actually managed to win (don't think they will, but think it will be close). I imagine the reaction would be to accuse the WWC of "bigotry". And that the poor fools have been misled by the right-wing mass media.

  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,164
    AndyJS said:

    Liz Kendall in 1995 looking a bit like Kate Winslet:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a96nmRIOtc4

    The Lib Dem smugness in this video is very, very tedious.

    Liz comes over well, as does Victoria Coren. Who is the Tory?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,233
    Mortimer said:

    AndyJS said:

    Liz Kendall in 1995 looking a bit like Kate Winslet:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a96nmRIOtc4

    The Lib Dem smugness in this video is very, very tedious.

    Liz comes over well, as does Victoria Coren. Who is the Tory?
    and 15 years later they were in coalition with the baby eating tories (good on 'em), and 20 years later decimated at the polls. Life's a funny old thing :D
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    AndyJS said:

    Liz Kendall in 1995 looking a bit like Kate Winslet:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=a96nmRIOtc4

    Who is that wizened old guy in the waistcoat?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,741
    Mortimer said:

    AndyJS said:

    Liz Kendall in 1995 looking a bit like Kate Winslet:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a96nmRIOtc4

    The Lib Dem smugness in this video is very, very tedious.

    Liz comes over well, as does Victoria Coren. Who is the Tory?
    One True Voice himself, Tim Montgomerie
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,741
    RobD said:

    Mortimer said:

    AndyJS said:

    Liz Kendall in 1995 looking a bit like Kate Winslet:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a96nmRIOtc4

    The Lib Dem smugness in this video is very, very tedious.

    Liz comes over well, as does Victoria Coren. Who is the Tory?
    and 15 years later they were in coalition with the baby eating tories (good on 'em), and 20 years later decimated at the polls. Life's a funny old thing :D
    I've written a piece on the Lib Dems for next weekend. I'm really proud of it.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,164

    Mortimer said:

    SeanT said:

    AndyJS said:

    I watched the week review on sky earlier, Kevin Maguire, a London based Mirror journalist is in total denial about immigration. All the while they are their vote will continue to drop.

    I don't think he's in denial, he just doesn't want to admit he might have got anything wrong.
    The point is for every person in London agreeing with him there's two elsewhere disagreeing. Labour have lost Scotland completely, it's anybody's guess how low they'll fall.
    Just had drinks with two lefty north London friends, both totally Labour, both think Corbyn's heart is in the right place. They are both smart but utterly naive and idiotic when it comes to electoral politics: they literally cannot understand why ANYONE would vote for evil Cameron and Osborne.

    They appreciate that Corbyn is fairly left but still think he should be sweeping the nation, his lack of popularity bewilders them, as - and I quote - "everyone I know really likes Corbyn".

    Corbymania exists. It's almost exclusively a London middle class phenomenon, with a few Greens and associated nutters from the regions. And that's it.

    To be fair one of these lefty friends did see the serious problem with Corbyn's remarks on national security. But the other gave me this classic quote when asked about Labour's inability to appeal to the centre or right - "why should we have to worry about all those voters in the middle".

    Almost identical to what I regularly encounter. From my experience, this sort of attitude generally comes from those who were born into wealth and can't quite cope with it.

    Those who I know and have met who have acquired wealth and status from a very weak starting position are Tory to a man/woman.

    Incidentally, the former examples are frequently children of the latter. Guilt?

    I know plenty of people from non-privileged backgrounds who are well off and not Tory. They're not Corbyn Labour either, mind.

    I am sure you do. And I know that my experience isn't universal. Neither of ours are: social milieu is rather self selecting.

    What is more interesting to me is the second generation effect.


  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281
    SeanT said:

    AndyJS said:

    I watched the week review on sky earlier, Kevin Maguire, a London based Mirror journalist is in total denial about immigration. All the while they are their vote will continue to drop.

    I don't think he's in denial, he just doesn't want to admit he might have got anything wrong.
    The point is for every person in London agreeing with him there's two elsewhere disagreeing. Labour have lost Scotland completely, it's anybody's guess how low they'll fall.
    they literally cannot understand why ANYONE would vote for evil Cameron and Osborne.
    Its the old 'Lefties believe Tories are bad people while righties think Lefties believe in bad ideas.

    One its possible to rationalise/argue with, the other its impossible......

    (Though in fairness, IIRC there has been recent polling which suggests Tories think they are more virtuous....fools....)
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,164

    Mortimer said:

    AndyJS said:

    Liz Kendall in 1995 looking a bit like Kate Winslet:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a96nmRIOtc4

    The Lib Dem smugness in this video is very, very tedious.

    Liz comes over well, as does Victoria Coren. Who is the Tory?
    One True Voice himself, Tim Montgomerie
    Of course! He isn't particularly eloquent in that section is he....
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    The Belgian PM is only 39 years old:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Michel
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693

    Scott_P said:

    @ZoraSuleman: Downing St sources say PM will ask MPs next week "Do you want to be Churchill Or Chamberlain "? Its as he pushes for airstrikes in Syria

    The interesting bit will happen after ISIL is defeated. The Iraqi government and it's attendant militias regard any Sunni in ISIL held territory as a supporter. So do many of the Kurds.. and so and a so forth.

    This is why the Western approach (and their allies in the region, such as the Jordanians) has been containment rather than defeat of ISIL. If the current forces on the ground defeat ISIL, ethic cleansing on a massive scale will result.

    Aside from the moral aspect, this has legal implications - if airpower is used to back the victory of ethnic cleansers, there would be a good case that those providing the airpower would be legally responsible.

    The American attempts to build up a *Sunni* fighting force against ISIL have to be seen in this light.

    The template they are trying to us is the end of the war in Yugoslavia - it ended when the Americans backed the Croats and the Bosnians with sufficient arms to slowly push back the Serbians until they agreed to talks. A major component in this was forward observers who, when local Croat and Bosniac commanders started misbehaving, would arrange to cut off their logistical supplies. In this way, the US kept their "allies" on best behavior.

    Quite simply, this wont work is this case. The hate for ISIL runs too deep. The attractions of simply eliminating a population that might or might not be ISIL sympathizers will be too strong. So several million Sunnis will be kicked out of their homes.... at best. At worst....

    The question really is - will Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi get tax credits when he claims asylum?
    ^ Brilliant post. Chamberlain vs Churchill is a very odd way to spin it.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,164
    SeanT said:

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    SeanT said:

    AndyJS said:

    I watched the week review on sky earlier, Kevin Maguire, a London based Mirror journalist is in total denial about immigration. All the while they are their vote will continue to drop.

    I don't think he's in denial, he just doesn't want to admit he might have got anything wrong.
    The point is for every person in London agreeing with him there's two elsewhere disagreeing. Labour have lost Scotland completely, it's anybody's guess how low they'll fall.
    Just had drinks with two lefty north Lon...would vote for evil Cameron and Osborne.

    They appreciate that Corbyn is fairly left but still think he should be sweeping the nation, his lack of popularity bewilders them, as - and I quote - "everyone I know really likes Corbyn".

    Corbymania exists. It's almost exclusively a London middle class phenomenon, with a few Greens and associated nutters from the regions. And that's it.

    To be fair one of these lefty friends did see the serious problem with Corbyn's remarks on national security. But the other gave me this classic quote when asked about Labour's inability to appeal to the centre or right - "why should we have to worry about all those voters in the middle".

    Almost identical to what I regularly encounter. From my experience, this sort of attitude generally comes from those who were born into wealth and can't quite cope with it.

    Those who I know and have met who have acquired wealth and status from a very weak starting position are Tory to a man/woman.

    Incidentally, the former examples are frequently children of the latter. Guilt?

    I k...

    I am sure you do. And I know that my experience isn't universal. Neither of ours are: social milieu is rather self selecting.

    What is more interesting to me is the second generation effect.


    FWIW neither of my lefty friends (tonight) are wealthy bourgeois lefties, in the Primrose Hill sense. Both, however, are well educated, both are arty/intellectual.

    That's Corbyn's constituency. Smart arty people with a brain (but perhaps less common sense) who live in a metropolitan bubble of polite righteousness and Daily-Mail-hatred. Plus some old school hardcore socialist worker thugs.
    Yes - good point. My most strident Corbynista example is a North-London born, public-school educated thesp, who, judging by his conversion from centrism at Uni to bonkersness now, seems to lose his capacity for critical thinking more with each play he appears in.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281
    Mortimer said:

    AndyJS said:

    Liz Kendall in 1995 looking a bit like Kate Winslet:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a96nmRIOtc4

    The Lib Dem smugness in this video is very, very tedious.
    Not sure where he is now:

    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2006/05/05/gay-councillor-loses-seat-in-bizarre-campaign/
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 52,541

    Scott_P said:

    @ZoraSuleman: Downing St sources say PM will ask MPs next week "Do you want to be Churchill Or Chamberlain "? Its as he pushes for airstrikes in Syria

    The interesting bit will happen after ISIL is defeated. The Iraqi government and it's attendant militias regard any Sunni in ISIL held territory as a supporter. So do many of the Kurds.. and so and a so forth.

    This is why the Western approach (and their allies in the region, such as the Jordanians) has been containment rather than defeat of ISIL. If the current forces on the ground defeat ISIL, ethic cleansing on a massive scale will result.

    Aside from the moral aspect, this has legal implications - if airpower is used to back the victory of ethnic cleansers, there would be a good case that those providing the airpower would be legally responsible.

    The American attempts to build up a *Sunni* fighting force against ISIL have to be seen in this light.

    The template they are trying to us is the end of the war in Yugoslavia - it ended when the Americans backed the Croats and the Bosnians with sufficient arms to slowly push back the Serbians until they agreed to talks. A major component in this was forward observers who, when local Croat and Bosniac commanders started misbehaving, would arrange to cut off their logistical supplies. In this way, the US kept their "allies" on best behavior.

    Quite simply, this wont work is this case. The hate for ISIL runs too deep. The attractions of simply eliminating a population that might or might not be ISIL sympathizers will be too strong. So several million Sunnis will be kicked out of their homes.... at best. At worst....

    The question really is - will Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi get tax credits when he claims asylum?
    You appear both to over-estimate ISIS' support amongst the Sunni population of both Syria and Iraq, and on the flip side to have unjustified fears about reprisals should they be defeated. The majority of Assad's army and many key figures in his government are Sunni. Partitioning Syria and Iraq into a series of weak religion/ethnicity defined states favours the US and its regional allies; it has very little to do with requirements on the ground.
    The Americans tried to make Iraq an inclusive state - unfortunately the Shia majority and their politicians like sectarianism.

    It's not to do with levels of support. To the enemies of ISIL this has the logic of what happened to the Sudetenland Germans after WWII.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,143
    edited 2015 22
    SeanT said:

    Significant, I think:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-under-mounting-pressure-as-unison-leader-urges-labour-to-get-its-act-together-a6743506.html

    Corbynistas might be idiots but the union Mafiosi are not. They can see a loser for what he is, and they know what it means: zero power, zero influence, for the foreseeable.

    Perhaps Corbyn will be toppled, not by Labour MPs, but by the public sector barons who installed him.

    Exactly, it was Eurosceptic donors like Stuart Wheeler who helped topple IDS and they helped get him the leadership too
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,143

    Scott_P said:

    @ZoraSuleman: Downing St sources say PM will ask MPs next week "Do you want to be Churchill Or Chamberlain "? Its as he pushes for airstrikes in Syria

    The interesting bit will happen after ISIL is defeated. The Iraqi government and it's attendant militias regard any Sunni in ISIL held territory as a supporter. So do many of the Kurds.. and so and a so forth.

    This is why the Western approach (and their allies in the region, such as the Jordanians) has been containment rather than defeat of ISIL. If the current forces on the ground defeat ISIL, ethic cleansing on a massive scale will result.

    Aside from the moral aspect, this has legal implications - if airpower is used to back the victory of ethnic cleansers, there would be a good case that those providing the airpower would be legally responsible.

    The American attempts to build up a *Sunni* fighting force against ISIL have to be seen in this light.

    The template they are trying to us is the end of the war in Yugoslavia - it ended when the Americans backed the Croats and the Bosnians with sufficient arms to slowly push back the Serbians until they agreed to talks. A major component in this was forward observers who, when local Croat and Bosniac commanders started misbehaving, would arrange to cut off their logistical supplies. In this way, the US kept their "allies" on best behavior.

    Quite simply, this wont work is this case. The hate for ISIL runs too deep. The attractions of simply eliminating a population that might or might not be ISIL sympathizers will be too strong. So several million Sunnis will be kicked out of their homes.... at best. At worst....

    The question really is - will Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi get tax credits when he claims asylum?
    You appear both to over-estimate ISIS' support amongst the Sunni population of both Syria and Iraq, and on the flip side to have unjustified fears about reprisals should they be defeated. The majority of Assad's army and many key figures in his government are Sunni. Partitioning Syria and Iraq into a series of weak religion/ethnicity defined states favours the US and its regional allies; it has very little to do with requirements on the ground.
    The Sunnis in Syria will not accept Assad back with his administration unchanged, he is an Alawite Shiite as his most of his entourage and Syria, unlike Iraq, is majority Sunni. The FSA etc will have to play a part in any future government over Sunni Syria if ISIS is to be defeated
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Just set up my new laptop cooling stand. It has an adjustable angle, 5 individually controllable fans, and has a really cool blue LED lighting effect, as well as 2 USB ports, and it is really quiet.

    Maybe I should get out more.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,052
    Tim_B said:

    Just set up my new laptop cooling stand. It has an adjustable angle, 5 individually controllable fans, and has a really cool blue LED lighting effect, as well as 2 USB ports, and it is really quiet.

    Maybe I should get out more.

    That way madness lies. Do not fall for the siren song of the outdoors.
    Good night all.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Tim_B said:

    Just set up my new laptop cooling stand. It has an adjustable angle, 5 individually controllable fans, and has a really cool blue LED lighting effect, as well as 2 USB ports, and it is really quiet.

    Maybe I should get out more.

    I thought the latest laptops didn't get hot.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    SeanT said:

    Significant, I think:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-under-mounting-pressure-as-unison-leader-urges-labour-to-get-its-act-together-a6743506.html

    Corbynistas might be idiots but the union Mafiosi are not. They can see a loser for what he is, and they know what it means: zero power, zero influence, for the foreseeable.

    Perhaps Corbyn will be toppled, not by Labour MPs, but by the public sector barons who installed him.

    So Dave Prentis, who a few weeks ago supported Corbyn's leadership campaign, now says things "couldn't get any worse" for the party. What does that say about Dave Prentis's political judgement?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,741
    edited 2015 22
    From the Sunday Times

    Dan Jarvis, the MP for Barnsley Central and a former Parachute Regiment major, challenged Corbyn’s position on Emwazi at the meeting last Monday, insisting that the drone strike had been legal.

    One shadow cabinet minister, speaking shortly after the clash, said: “Jeremy talks about these things and he gives these grandstanding speeches [but] he doesn’t know what the f*** he is talking about a lot of the time.”

    If Corbyn hoped for a respite after Monday night’s angry scenes, he was to be disappointed. The following day, Pat McFadden, Labour’s spokesman on Europe, and other shadow cabinet ministers, asked a series of questions of Cameron during a debate on the Paris attacks that illustrated their differences with their leader.

    “It comes to something when a large part of the PLP [parliamentary Labour party] emotionally and instinctively identifies with a Tory PM rather than with their own leader,” one MP said.

    http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/focus/article1635847.ece
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,741
    During a presentation by Patrick Heneghan, the party’s election guru, they were warned that hundreds of council seats in England could be lost, along with control of the Welsh assembly. In Scotland, they were told, third place behind the Tories was inevitable and the London mayoral election was too close to call.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    AndyJS said:

    Tim_B said:

    Just set up my new laptop cooling stand. It has an adjustable angle, 5 individually controllable fans, and has a really cool blue LED lighting effect, as well as 2 USB ports, and it is really quiet.

    Maybe I should get out more.

    I thought the latest laptops didn't get hot.
    Not like my 11 year old Dell, but they get warm eventually, less so if you have an SSD.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    During a presentation by Patrick Heneghan, the party’s election guru, they were warned that hundreds of council seats in England could be lost, along with control of the Welsh assembly. In Scotland, they were told, third place behind the Tories was inevitable and the London mayoral election was too close to call.

    Third place in Scotland inevitable? Didn't think things were quite as bad as that.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,233

    During a presentation by Patrick Heneghan, the party’s election guru, they were warned that hundreds of council seats in England could be lost, along with control of the Welsh assembly. In Scotland, they were told, third place behind the Tories was inevitable and the London mayoral election was too close to call.

    Excellent. The blues gained an additional 32 councils and 500 councillors (up 10%!) in May. Wonder how many more we can add :p
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    RobD said:

    During a presentation by Patrick Heneghan, the party’s election guru, they were warned that hundreds of council seats in England could be lost, along with control of the Welsh assembly. In Scotland, they were told, third place behind the Tories was inevitable and the London mayoral election was too close to call.

    Excellent. The blues gained an additional 32 councils and 500 councillors (up 10%!) in May. Wonder how many more we can add :p
    I thought you were in God's Own Country, overseas division?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,233
    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    During a presentation by Patrick Heneghan, the party’s election guru, they were warned that hundreds of council seats in England could be lost, along with control of the Welsh assembly. In Scotland, they were told, third place behind the Tories was inevitable and the London mayoral election was too close to call.

    Excellent. The blues gained an additional 32 councils and 500 councillors (up 10%!) in May. Wonder how many more we can add :p
    I thought you were in God's Own Country, overseas division?
    Formerly part of the Greater Yorkshire Empire? :p:D

    Yep, currently in the Bay Area.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,641
    AndyJS said:

    Liz Kendall in 1995 looking a bit like Kate Winslet:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a96nmRIOtc4

    She looked nothing like Kate Winslet!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,741
    RobD said:

    During a presentation by Patrick Heneghan, the party’s election guru, they were warned that hundreds of council seats in England could be lost, along with control of the Welsh assembly. In Scotland, they were told, third place behind the Tories was inevitable and the London mayoral election was too close to call.

    Excellent. The blues gained an additional 32 councils and 500 councillors (up 10%!) in May. Wonder how many more we can add :p
    I'm hoping for Con take control of Liverpool council this parliament :lol:
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,641
    Scott_P said:

    Popcorn for breakfast...

    @MarrShow: Ahead of next week's Autumn Statement we'll be joined by Chancellor @George_Osborne & Shadow Chancellor @johnmcdonnellMP. #marrshow #sunday

    "I'm sick and tired of popcorn!" :lol:
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    During a presentation by Patrick Heneghan, the party’s election guru, they were warned that hundreds of council seats in England could be lost, along with control of the Welsh assembly. In Scotland, they were told, third place behind the Tories was inevitable and the London mayoral election was too close to call.

    Excellent. The blues gained an additional 32 councils and 500 councillors (up 10%!) in May. Wonder how many more we can add :p
    I thought you were in God's Own Country, overseas division?
    Formerly part of the Greater Yorkshire Empire? :p:D

    Yep, currently in the Bay Area.
    I assume that's not Hudson's Bay, Whitley Bay or Robin Hood's Bay ;)
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,233
    edited 2015 22
    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    During a presentation by Patrick Heneghan, the party’s election guru, they were warned that hundreds of council seats in England could be lost, along with control of the Welsh assembly. In Scotland, they were told, third place behind the Tories was inevitable and the London mayoral election was too close to call.

    Excellent. The blues gained an additional 32 councils and 500 councillors (up 10%!) in May. Wonder how many more we can add :p
    I thought you were in God's Own Country, overseas division?
    Formerly part of the Greater Yorkshire Empire? :p:D

    Yep, currently in the Bay Area.
    I assume that's not Hudson's Bay, Whitley Bay or Robin Hood's Bay ;)
    I'm in the general vicinity of a bay. I'll say no more. :p
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,233

    RobD said:

    During a presentation by Patrick Heneghan, the party’s election guru, they were warned that hundreds of council seats in England could be lost, along with control of the Welsh assembly. In Scotland, they were told, third place behind the Tories was inevitable and the London mayoral election was too close to call.

    Excellent. The blues gained an additional 32 councils and 500 councillors (up 10%!) in May. Wonder how many more we can add :p
    I'm hoping for Con take control of Liverpool council this parliament :lol:
    The slogan of the 2020 campaign? "CON Gain Bootle!"
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    During a presentation by Patrick Heneghan, the party’s election guru, they were warned that hundreds of council seats in England could be lost, along with control of the Welsh assembly. In Scotland, they were told, third place behind the Tories was inevitable and the London mayoral election was too close to call.

    Excellent. The blues gained an additional 32 councils and 500 councillors (up 10%!) in May. Wonder how many more we can add :p
    I thought you were in God's Own Country, overseas division?
    Formerly part of the Greater Yorkshire Empire? :p:D

    Yep, currently in the Bay Area.
    I assume that's not Hudson's Bay, Whitley Bay or Robin Hood's Bay ;)
    I'm in the general vicinity of a bay. I'll say no more. :p
    Best way to get a Green Card - come ashore on a rubber boat on the Greek island of Leros and claim refugee status. Obama will make you the poster child.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    During a presentation by Patrick Heneghan, the party’s election guru, they were warned that hundreds of council seats in England could be lost, along with control of the Welsh assembly. In Scotland, they were told, third place behind the Tories was inevitable and the London mayoral election was too close to call.

    Excellent. The blues gained an additional 32 councils and 500 councillors (up 10%!) in May. Wonder how many more we can add :p
    I thought you were in God's Own Country, overseas division?
    Formerly part of the Greater Yorkshire Empire? :p:D

    Yep, currently in the Bay Area.
    I assume that's not Hudson's Bay, Whitley Bay or Robin Hood's Bay ;)
    I'm in the general vicinity of a bay. I'll say no more. :p
    You're standing next to a reddish-brown horse and I claim my $6.25 ($5 plus 25% VAT)
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    During a presentation by Patrick Heneghan, the party’s election guru, they were warned that hundreds of council seats in England could be lost, along with control of the Welsh assembly. In Scotland, they were told, third place behind the Tories was inevitable and the London mayoral election was too close to call.

    Excellent. The blues gained an additional 32 councils and 500 councillors (up 10%!) in May. Wonder how many more we can add :p
    I'm hoping for Con take control of Liverpool council this parliament :lol:
    The slogan of the 2020 campaign? "CON Gain Bootle!"
    Bootle-licious!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,233
    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    During a presentation by Patrick Heneghan, the party’s election guru, they were warned that hundreds of council seats in England could be lost, along with control of the Welsh assembly. In Scotland, they were told, third place behind the Tories was inevitable and the London mayoral election was too close to call.

    Excellent. The blues gained an additional 32 councils and 500 councillors (up 10%!) in May. Wonder how many more we can add :p
    I thought you were in God's Own Country, overseas division?
    Formerly part of the Greater Yorkshire Empire? :p:D

    Yep, currently in the Bay Area.
    I assume that's not Hudson's Bay, Whitley Bay or Robin Hood's Bay ;)
    I'm in the general vicinity of a bay. I'll say no more. :p
    Best way to get a Green Card - come ashore on a rubber boat on the Greek island of Leros and claim refugee status. Obama will make you the poster child.
    Unfortunately the last 4 years (5 by the time my visa is up) I'll have gained none of my years resident required to get a green card as I'm not on an immigrant visa. Bit of a bummer really.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,641
    Tim_B said:

    Can't make this up - watching BBC World News and the guy's name is Ben Bland.

    On the other hand they do weather at 30 after the hour. They murder place names. They persist in giving the US temperatures in centigrade which nobody here can understand. But it's nice to live somewhere where a cold front arrives and the temperatures are in the 50s (50 is apparently 10 degrees C)

    -20 degrees Celsius is -4 degrees Fahrenheit
    -10 degrees Celsius is 14 degrees Fahrenheit
    0 degrees Celsius is 32 degrees Fahrenheit
    10 degrees Celsius is 50 degrees Fahrenheit
    20 degrees Celsius is 68 degrees Fahrenheit
    30 degrees Celsius is 86 degrees Fahrenheit
    40 degrees Celsius is 104 degrees Fahrenheit

    Notice how 10 degrees difference in Celsius is 18 different in Fahrenheit

    [°F] = [°C] × 9/5 + 32
    [°C] = ([°F] − 32) × 5/9
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    A short Theodore Dalrymple article on Molenbeek:

    http://www.salisburyreview.com/Tony_blogs/molenbeek.html
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    The Mail has more info on Mark Clarke:
    The Tory Party was last night rocked by the revelation of a new blackmail plot involving a bombshell sex video – which David Cameron’s disgraced Election aide Mark Clarke tried to leak to the media.
    Porno Perry's aide has been forced to resign over allegations about her relationship with Clarke and David Davis is demanding an external investigation.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3328717/The-sex-tape-shames-Conservative-party-Tatler-Tory-used-vile-revenge-porn-humiliate-political-opponent.html
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,233
    MP_SE said:

    The Mail has more info on Mark Clarke:

    The Tory Party was last night rocked by the revelation of a new blackmail plot involving a bombshell sex video – which David Cameron’s disgraced Election aide Mark Clarke tried to leak to the media.
    Porno Perry's aide has been forced to resign over allegations about her relationship with Clarke and David Davis is demanding an external investigation.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3328717/The-sex-tape-shames-Conservative-party-Tatler-Tory-used-vile-revenge-porn-humiliate-political-opponent.html

    I read the caption to the first figure several times and I still don't get it
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Tim_B said:

    Can't make this up - watching BBC World News and the guy's name is Ben Bland.

    On the other hand they do weather at 30 after the hour. They murder place names. They persist in giving the US temperatures in centigrade which nobody here can understand. But it's nice to live somewhere where a cold front arrives and the temperatures are in the 50s (50 is apparently 10 degrees C)

    -20 degrees Celsius is -4 degrees Fahrenheit
    -10 degrees Celsius is 14 degrees Fahrenheit
    0 degrees Celsius is 32 degrees Fahrenheit
    10 degrees Celsius is 50 degrees Fahrenheit
    20 degrees Celsius is 68 degrees Fahrenheit
    30 degrees Celsius is 86 degrees Fahrenheit
    40 degrees Celsius is 104 degrees Fahrenheit

    Notice how 10 degrees difference in Celsius is 18 different in Fahrenheit

    [°F] = [°C] × 9/5 + 32
    [°C] = ([°F] − 32) × 5/9
    Thanks Sunil, but it's info I don't need. I have little enough room in my brain as it is. Knickers is spelled with a K, the P in psychiatrist is silent, first your pants THEN your shoes. I don't have much room left.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    During a presentation by Patrick Heneghan, the party’s election guru, they were warned that hundreds of council seats in England could be lost, along with control of the Welsh assembly. In Scotland, they were told, third place behind the Tories was inevitable and the London mayoral election was too close to call.

    Excellent. The blues gained an additional 32 councils and 500 councillors (up 10%!) in May. Wonder how many more we can add :p
    I thought you were in God's Own Country, overseas division?
    Formerly part of the Greater Yorkshire Empire? :p:D

    Yep, currently in the Bay Area.
    I assume that's not Hudson's Bay, Whitley Bay or Robin Hood's Bay ;)
    I'm in the general vicinity of a bay. I'll say no more. :p
    Best way to get a Green Card - come ashore on a rubber boat on the Greek island of Leros and claim refugee status. Obama will make you the poster child.
    Unfortunately the last 4 years (5 by the time my visa is up) I'll have gained none of my years resident required to get a green card as I'm not on an immigrant visa. Bit of a bummer really.
    The way I got here was by applying for a job and my employer was willing to sponsor me for an H1-B visa. It took 2 years, but was worth it. I am sure you could arrange such a position if you wanted to. Of course, this was 1980. Today I assume things are faster.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,233
    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    During a presentation by Patrick Heneghan, the party’s election guru, they were warned that hundreds of council seats in England could be lost, along with control of the Welsh assembly. In Scotland, they were told, third place behind the Tories was inevitable and the London mayoral election was too close to call.

    Excellent. The blues gained an additional 32 councils and 500 councillors (up 10%!) in May. Wonder how many more we can add :p
    I thought you were in God's Own Country, overseas division?
    Formerly part of the Greater Yorkshire Empire? :p:D

    Yep, currently in the Bay Area.
    I assume that's not Hudson's Bay, Whitley Bay or Robin Hood's Bay ;)
    I'm in the general vicinity of a bay. I'll say no more. :p
    Best way to get a Green Card - come ashore on a rubber boat on the Greek island of Leros and claim refugee status. Obama will make you the poster child.
    Unfortunately the last 4 years (5 by the time my visa is up) I'll have gained none of my years resident required to get a green card as I'm not on an immigrant visa. Bit of a bummer really.
    The way I got here was by applying for a job and my employer was willing to sponsor me for an H1-B visa. It took 2 years, but was worth it. I am sure you could arrange such a position if you wanted to. Of course, this was 1980. Today I assume things are faster.
    I thought you needed to be on an immigrant visa for five years before being eligible for a green card? Maybe things now are slower :p
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
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    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    During a presentation by Patrick Heneghan, the party’s election guru, they were warned that hundreds of council seats in England could be lost, along with control of the Welsh assembly. In Scotland, they were told, third place behind the Tories was inevitable and the London mayoral election was too close to call.

    Excellent. The blues gained an additional 32 councils and 500 councillors (up 10%!) in May. Wonder how many more we can add :p
    I thought you were in God's Own Country, overseas division?
    Formerly part of the Greater Yorkshire Empire? :p:D

    Yep, currently in the Bay Area.
    I assume that's not Hudson's Bay, Whitley Bay or Robin Hood's Bay ;)
    I'm in the general vicinity of a bay. I'll say no more. :p
    Best way to get a Green Card - come ashore on a rubber boat on the Greek island of Leros and claim refugee status. Obama will make you the poster child.
    Unfortunately the last 4 years (5 by the time my visa is up) I'll have gained none of my years resident required to get a green card as I'm not on an immigrant visa. Bit of a bummer really.
    The way I got here was by applying for a job and my employer was willing to sponsor me for an H1-B visa. It took 2 years, but was worth it. I am sure you could arrange such a position if you wanted to. Of course, this was 1980. Today I assume things are faster.
    I thought you needed to be on an immigrant visa for five years before being eligible for a green card? Maybe things now are slower :p
    No, you don't even need to be in the country while the application proceeds. It's based on your qualifications for the job. In my case they had to submit my resume plus those others who had applied, explaining why I was the one. Talk to an immigration lawyer. There is no residency requirement for an H1-B.

    When my wife applied for her new Green card (as the wife of a US citizen) we were in the UK.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,233
    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    During a presentation by Patrick Heneghan, the party’s election guru, they were warned that hundreds of council seats in England could be lost, along with control of the Welsh assembly. In Scotland, they were told, third place behind the Tories was inevitable and the London mayoral election was too close to call.

    Excellent. The blues gained an additional 32 councils and 500 councillors (up 10%!) in May. Wonder how many more we can add :p
    I thought you were in God's Own Country, overseas division?
    Formerly part of the Greater Yorkshire Empire? :p:D

    Yep, currently in the Bay Area.
    I assume that's not Hudson's Bay, Whitley Bay or Robin Hood's Bay ;)
    I'm in the general vicinity of a bay. I'll say no more. :p
    Best way to get a Green Card - come ashore on a rubber boat on the Greek island of Leros and claim refugee status. Obama will make you the poster child.
    Unfortunately the last 4 years (5 by the time my visa is up) I'll have gained none of my years resident required to get a green card as I'm not on an immigrant visa. Bit of a bummer really.
    The way I got here was by applying for a job and my employer was willing to sponsor me for an H1-B visa. It took 2 years, but was worth it. I am sure you could arrange such a position if you wanted to. Of course, this was 1980. Today I assume things are faster.
    I thought you needed to be on an immigrant visa for five years before being eligible for a green card? Maybe things now are slower :p
    No, you don't even need to be in the country while the application proceeds. It's based on your qualifications for the job. In my case they had to submit my resume plus those others who had applied, explaining why I was the one. Talk to an immigration lawyer. There is no residency requirement for an H1-B.

    When my wife applied for her new Green card (as the wife of a US citizen) we were in the UK.
    Ah, I had assumed there was a residency requirement after getting a H1-B but before getting a green card. If my job keeps me here, I'll definitely have to move on a H1-B next year. I imagine that will be a total pain in the bum to get sorted out.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Excellent. The blues gained an additional 32 councils and 500 councillors (up 10%!) in May. Wonder how many more we can add :p
    I thought you were in God's Own Country, overseas division?
    Formerly part of the Greater Yorkshire Empire? :p:D

    Yep, currently in the Bay Area.
    I assume that's not Hudson's Bay, Whitley Bay or Robin Hood's Bay ;)
    I'm in the general vicinity of a bay. I'll say no more. :p
    Best way to get a Green Card - come ashore on a rubber boat on the Greek island of Leros and claim refugee status. Obama will make you the poster child.
    Unfortunately the last 4 years (5 by the time my visa is up) I'll have gained none of my years resident required to get a green card as I'm not on an immigrant visa. Bit of a bummer really.
    The way I got here was by applying for a job and my employer was willing to sponsor me for an H1-B visa. It took 2 years, but was worth it. I am sure you could arrange such a position if you wanted to. Of course, this was 1980. Today I assume things are faster.
    I thought you needed to be on an immigrant visa for five years before being eligible for a green card? Maybe things now are slower :p
    No, you don't even need to be in the country while the application proceeds. It's based on your qualifications for the job. In my case they had to submit my resume plus those others who had applied, explaining why I was the one. Talk to an immigration lawyer. There is no residency requirement for an H1-B.

    When my wife applied for her new Green card (as the wife of a US citizen) we were in the UK.
    Ah, I had assumed there was a residency requirement after getting a H1-B but before getting a green card. If my job keeps me here, I'll definitely have to move on a H1-B next year. I imagine that will be a total pain in the bum to get sorted out.
    An H1-B IS a green card. Your best bet is to find an immigration attorney. He or she will give you 30 minutes or so for free, and explain your options. You will need an attorney to guide you through the process. Reach for the phone book. It's a complex process and you HAVE to have an attorney.

    Of course, not knowing which bay you are near could be a limiting factor ;)
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,233
    Tim_B said:



    An H1-B IS a green card. Your best bet is to find an immigration attorney. He or she will give you 30 minutes or so for free, and explain your options. You will need an attorney to guide you through the process. Reach for the phone book. It's a complex process and you HAVE to have an attorney.

    Of course, not knowing which bay you are near could be a limiting factor ;)

    It's a moot point at the moment as I'd need an employer to sponsor me. On a more depressing front I probably couldn't afford an attorney to help me through the process, but will definitely look into getting some free advice when the time comes!
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:



    An H1-B IS a green card. Your best bet is to find an immigration attorney. He or she will give you 30 minutes or so for free, and explain your options. You will need an attorney to guide you through the process. Reach for the phone book. It's a complex process and you HAVE to have an attorney.

    Of course, not knowing which bay you are near could be a limiting factor ;)

    It's a moot point at the moment as I'd need an employer to sponsor me. On a more depressing front I probably couldn't afford an attorney to help me through the process, but will definitely look into getting some free advice when the time comes!
    I'm sure you could sort an employer out. The attorney thing is not that bad - all they are doing is giving you advice, checking the forms you fill out etc. The fees aren't that high, because this stuff is second nature to an immigration attorney, and they won't be spending much time on your individual case.

    You may as well start now - there's nothing to be gained from waiting. At least you'll know where you stand, and you can start planning now.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,233
    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:



    An H1-B IS a green card. Your best bet is to find an immigration attorney. He or she will give you 30 minutes or so for free, and explain your options. You will need an attorney to guide you through the process. Reach for the phone book. It's a complex process and you HAVE to have an attorney.

    Of course, not knowing which bay you are near could be a limiting factor ;)

    It's a moot point at the moment as I'd need an employer to sponsor me. On a more depressing front I probably couldn't afford an attorney to help me through the process, but will definitely look into getting some free advice when the time comes!
    I'm sure you could sort an employer out. The attorney thing is not that bad - all they are doing is giving you advice, checking the forms you fill out etc. The fees aren't that high, because this stuff is second nature to an immigration attorney, and they won't be spending much time on your individual case.

    You may as well start now - there's nothing to be gained from waiting. At least you'll know where you stand, and you can start planning now.
    You make good points, but I think it will have to be in the new year. Right after thanksgiving I have a month full of travel, then christmas back in Blighty!
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
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    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:



    An H1-B IS a green card. Your best bet is to find an immigration attorney. He or she will give you 30 minutes or so for free, and explain your options. You will need an attorney to guide you through the process. Reach for the phone book. It's a complex process and you HAVE to have an attorney.

    Of course, not knowing which bay you are near could be a limiting factor ;)

    It's a moot point at the moment as I'd need an employer to sponsor me. On a more depressing front I probably couldn't afford an attorney to help me through the process, but will definitely look into getting some free advice when the time comes!
    I'm sure you could sort an employer out. The attorney thing is not that bad - all they are doing is giving you advice, checking the forms you fill out etc. The fees aren't that high, because this stuff is second nature to an immigration attorney, and they won't be spending much time on your individual case.

    You may as well start now - there's nothing to be gained from waiting. At least you'll know where you stand, and you can start planning now.
    You make good points, but I think it will have to be in the new year. Right after thanksgiving I have a month full of travel, then christmas back in Blighty!
    You've been here long enough to know that bugger all happens between Thanksgiving and New Years anyway.

    Come January find an immigration attorney and start the ball rolling. If you have any questions, I'm at onanist.central@gmail.com. I'll respond with a real email address,
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,233
    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:



    An H1-B IS a green card. Your best bet is to find an immigration attorney. He or she will give you 30 minutes or so for free, and explain your options. You will need an attorney to guide you through the process. Reach for the phone book. It's a complex process and you HAVE to have an attorney.

    Of course, not knowing which bay you are near could be a limiting factor ;)

    It's a moot point at the moment as I'd need an employer to sponsor me. On a more depressing front I probably couldn't afford an attorney to help me through the process, but will definitely look into getting some free advice when the time comes!
    I'm sure you could sort an employer out. The attorney thing is not that bad - all they are doing is giving you advice, checking the forms you fill out etc. The fees aren't that high, because this stuff is second nature to an immigration attorney, and they won't be spending much time on your individual case.

    You may as well start now - there's nothing to be gained from waiting. At least you'll know where you stand, and you can start planning now.
    You make good points, but I think it will have to be in the new year. Right after thanksgiving I have a month full of travel, then christmas back in Blighty!
    You've been here long enough to now that bugger all happens between Thanksgiving and New Years anyway.

    Come January find an immigration attorney and start the ball rolling. If you have any questions, I'm at onanist.central@gmail.com. I'll respond with a real email address,
    Thanks! I'll be sure to drop you a line if anything comes up. Do need to actually look for a new job in the mean time, as I'm only on fixed term right now!
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:



    An H1-B IS a green card. Your best bet is to find an immigration attorney. He or she will give you 30 minutes or so for free, and explain your options. You will need an attorney to guide you through the process. Reach for the phone book. It's a complex process and you HAVE to have an attorney.

    Of course, not knowing which bay you are near could be a limiting factor ;)

    It's a moot point at the moment as I'd need an employer to sponsor me. On a more depressing front I probably couldn't afford an attorney to help me through the process, but will definitely look into getting some free advice when the time comes!
    I'm sure you could sort an employer out. The attorney thing is not that bad - all they are doing is giving you advice, checking the forms you fill out etc. The fees aren't that high, because this stuff is second nature to an immigration attorney, and they won't be spending much time on your individual case.

    You may as well start now - there's nothing to be gained from waiting. At least you'll know where you stand, and you can start planning now.
    You make good points, but I think it will have to be in the new year. Right after thanksgiving I have a month full of travel, then christmas back in Blighty!
    You've been here long enough to now that bugger all happens between Thanksgiving and New Years anyway.

    Come January find an immigration attorney and start the ball rolling. If you have any questions, I'm at onanist.central@gmail.com. I'll respond with a real email address,
    Thanks! I'll be sure to drop you a line if anything comes up. Do need to actually look for a new job in the mean time, as I'm only on fixed term right now!
    Walmart needs cashiers ;)
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,233
    and lol, interesting email address :p
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,233
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    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:



    An H1-B IS a green card. Your best bet is to find an immigration attorney. He or she will give you 30 minutes or so for free, and explain your options. You will need an attorney to guide you through the process. Reach for the phone book. It's a complex process and you HAVE to have an attorney.

    Of course, not knowing which bay you are near could be a limiting factor ;)

    It's a moot point at the moment as I'd need an employer to sponsor me. On a more depressing front I probably couldn't afford an attorney to help me through the process, but will definitely look into getting some free advice when the time comes!
    I'm sure you could sort an employer out. The attorney thing is not that bad - all they are doing is giving you advice, checking the forms you fill out etc. The fees aren't that high, because this stuff is second nature to an immigration attorney, and they won't be spending much time on your individual case.

    You may as well start now - there's nothing to be gained from waiting. At least you'll know where you stand, and you can start planning now.
    You make good points, but I think it will have to be in the new year. Right after thanksgiving I have a month full of travel, then christmas back in Blighty!
    You've been here long enough to now that bugger all happens between Thanksgiving and New Years anyway.

    Come January find an immigration attorney and start the ball rolling. If you have any questions, I'm at onanist.central@gmail.com. I'll respond with a real email address,
    Thanks! I'll be sure to drop you a line if anything comes up. Do need to actually look for a new job in the mean time, as I'm only on fixed term right now!
    Walmart needs cashiers ;)
    on a H1-B? LOL :D:p
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    RobD said:

    and lol, interesting email address :p

    I don't like posting a 'real' email address online. But if somebody emails me there, I will reply from my 'real' email address.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:



    An H1-B IS a green card. Your best bet is to find an immigration attorney. He or she will give you 30 minutes or so for free, and explain your options. You will need an attorney to guide you through the process. Reach for the phone book. It's a complex process and you HAVE to have an attorney.

    Of course, not knowing which bay you are near could be a limiting factor ;)

    It's a moot point at the moment as I'd need an employer to sponsor me. On a more depressing front I probably couldn't afford an attorney to help me through the process, but will definitely look into getting some free advice when the time comes!
    I'm sure you could sort an employer out. The attorney thing is not that bad - all they are doing is giving you advice, checking the forms you fill out etc. The fees aren't that high, because this stuff is second nature to an immigration attorney, and they won't be spending much time on your individual case.

    You may as well start now - there's nothing to be gained from waiting. At least you'll know where you stand, and you can start planning now.
    You make good points, but I think it will have to be in the new year. Right after thanksgiving I have a month full of travel, then christmas back in Blighty!
    You've been here long enough to now that bugger all happens between Thanksgiving and New Years anyway.

    Come January find an immigration attorney and start the ball rolling. If you have any questions, I'm at onanist.central@gmail.com. I'll respond with a real email address,
    Thanks! I'll be sure to drop you a line if anything comes up. Do need to actually look for a new job in the mean time, as I'm only on fixed term right now!
    Walmart needs cashiers ;)
    on a H1-B? LOL :D:p
    - and you're probably too fluent in English, unless you're from Essex. ;)

    I've talked with several long term emigrants to the US from England who've said they're done going back for visits as the place has changed so much.

    I'd be intrigued as to how you view it when you come back.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,233
    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

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    An H1-B IS a green card. Your best bet is to find an immigration attorney. He or she will give you 30 minutes or so for free, and explain your options. You will need an attorney to guide you through the process. Reach for the phone book. It's a complex process and you HAVE to have an attorney.

    Of course, not knowing which bay you are near could be a limiting factor ;)

    It's a moot point at the moment as I'd need an employer to sponsor me. On a more depressing front I probably couldn't afford an attorney to help me through the process, but will definitely look into getting some free advice when the time comes!
    I'm sure you could sort an employer out. The attorney thing is not that bad - all they are doing is giving you advice, checking the forms you fill out etc. The fees aren't that high, because this stuff is second nature to an immigration attorney, and they won't be spending much time on your individual case.

    You may as well start now - there's nothing to be gained from waiting. At least you'll know where you stand, and you can start planning now.
    You make good points, but I think it will have to be in the new year. Right after thanksgiving I have a month full of travel, then christmas back in Blighty!
    You've been here long enough to now that bugger all happens between Thanksgiving and New Years anyway.

    Come January find an immigration attorney and start the ball rolling. If you have any questions, I'm at onanist.central@gmail.com. I'll respond with a real email address,
    Thanks! I'll be sure to drop you a line if anything comes up. Do need to actually look for a new job in the mean time, as I'm only on fixed term right now!
    Walmart needs cashiers ;)
    on a H1-B? LOL :D:p
    - and you're probably too fluent in English, unless you're from Essex. ;)

    I've talked with several long term emigrants to the US from England who've said they're done going back for visits as the place has changed so much.

    I'd be intrigued as to how you view it when you come back.
    I've probably spent about a third of my time over the last few years in the UK, so haven't missed too much. Anyway, I thought distance made the heart grow fonder :p
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281
    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:



    An H1-B IS a green card. Your best bet is to find an immigration attorney. He or she will give you 30 minutes or so for free, and explain your options. You will need an attorney to guide you through the process. Reach for the phone book. It's a complex process and you HAVE to have an attorney.

    Of course, not knowing which bay you are near could be a limiting factor ;)

    It's a moot point at the moment as I'd need an employer to sponsor me. On a more depressing front I probably couldn't afford an attorney to help me through the process, but will definitely look into getting some free advice when the time comes!
    I'm sure you could sort an employer out. The attorney thing is not that bad - all they are doing is giving you advice, checking the forms you fill out etc. The fees aren't that high, because this stuff is second nature to an immigration attorney, and they won't be spending much time on your individual case.

    You may as well start now - there's nothing to be gained from waiting. At least you'll know where you stand, and you can start planning now.
    You make good points, but I think it will have to be in the new year. Right after thanksgiving I have a month full of travel, then christmas back in Blighty!
    You've been here long enough to now that bugger all happens between Thanksgiving and New Years anyway.

    Come January find an immigration attorney and start the ball rolling. If you have any questions, I'm at onanist.central@gmail.com. I'll respond with a real email address,
    Thanks! I'll be sure to drop you a line if anything comes up. Do need to actually look for a new job in the mean time, as I'm only on fixed term right now!
    Walmart needs cashiers ;)
    on a H1-B? LOL :D:p
    - and you're probably too fluent in English, unless you're from Essex. ;)

    I've talked with several long term emigrants to the US from England who've said they're done going back for visits as the place has changed so much.

    I'd be intrigued as to how you view it when you come back.
    I thought distance made the heart grow fonder :p
    No, thats absinthe.....
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:



    An H1-B IS a green card. Your best bet is to find an immigration attorney. He or she will give you 30 minutes or so for free, and explain your options. You will need an attorney to guide you through the process. Reach for the phone book. It's a complex process and you HAVE to have an attorney.

    Of course, not knowing which bay you are near could be a limiting factor ;)

    It's a moot point at the moment as I'd need an employer to sponsor me. On a more depressing front I probably couldn't afford an attorney to help me through the process, but will definitely look into getting some free advice when the time comes!
    I'm sure you could sort an employer out. The attorney thing is not that bad - all they are doing is giving you advice, checking the forms you fill out etc. The fees aren't that high, because this stuff is second nature to an immigration attorney, and they won't be spending much time on your individual case.

    You may as well start now - there's nothing to be gained from waiting. At least you'll know where you stand, and you can start planning now.
    You make good points, but I think it will have to be in the new year. Right after thanksgiving I have a month full of travel, then christmas back in Blighty!
    You've been here long enough to now that bugger all happens between Thanksgiving and New Years anyway.

    Come January find an immigration attorney and start the ball rolling. If you have any questions, I'm at onanist.central@gmail.com. I'll respond with a real email address,
    Thanks! I'll be sure to drop you a line if anything comes up. Do need to actually look for a new job in the mean time, as I'm only on fixed term right now!
    Walmart needs cashiers ;)
    on a H1-B? LOL :D:p
    - and you're probably too fluent in English, unless you're from Essex. ;)

    I've talked with several long term emigrants to the US from England who've said they're done going back for visits as the place has changed so much.

    I'd be intrigued as to how you view it when you come back.
    I've probably spent about a third of my time over the last few years in the UK, so haven't missed too much. Anyway, I thought distance made the heart grow fonder :p
    I've not been there for a decade. I left in the late 70s, and have visited less and less frequently.

    Isn't it absence that makes the heart grow fonder? I don't recall distance making me fonder of my mother in law ;)
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

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    An H1-B IS a green card. Your best bet is to find an immigration attorney. He or she will give you 30 minutes or so for free, and explain your options. You will need an attorney to guide you through the process. Reach for the phone book. It's a complex process and you HAVE to have an attorney.

    Of course, not knowing which bay you are near could be a limiting factor ;)

    It's a moot point at the moment as I'd need an employer to sponsor me. On a more depressing front I probably couldn't afford an attorney to help me through the process, but will definitely look into getting some free advice when the time comes!
    I'm sure you could sort an employer out. The attorney thing is not that bad - all they are doing is giving you advice, checking the forms you fill out etc. The fees aren't that high, because this stuff is second nature to an immigration attorney, and they won't be spending much time on your individual case.

    You may as well start now - there's nothing to be gained from waiting. At least you'll know where you stand, and you can start planning now.
    You make good points, but I think it will have to be in the new year. Right after thanksgiving I have a month full of travel, then christmas back in Blighty!
    You've been here long enough to now that bugger all happens between Thanksgiving and New Years anyway.

    Come January find an immigration attorney and start the ball rolling. If you have any questions, I'm at onanist.central@gmail.com. I'll respond with a real email address,
    Thanks! I'll be sure to drop you a line if anything comes up. Do need to actually look for a new job in the mean time, as I'm only on fixed term right now!
    Walmart needs cashiers ;)
    on a H1-B? LOL :D:p
    - and you're probably too fluent in English, unless you're from Essex. ;)

    I've talked with several long term emigrants to the US from England who've said they're done going back for visits as the place has changed so much.

    I'd be intrigued as to how you view it when you come back.
    I thought distance made the heart grow fonder :p
    No, thats absinthe.....
    subtle :)
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "Kids Company boss Camila Batmanghelidjh admits she cheated to get into a top school when her mother took an exam for her
    She justified cheating by saying she 'would never have passed it myself'"


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3328860/Kids-Company-boss-Camila-Batmanghelidjh-admits-cheated-school-mother-took-exam-her.html
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281
    MP_SE said:

    The Mail has more info on Mark Clarke:

    The Tory Party was last night rocked by the revelation of a new blackmail plot involving a bombshell sex video – which David Cameron’s disgraced Election aide Mark Clarke tried to leak to the media.
    Porno Perry's aide has been forced to resign over allegations about her relationship with Clarke and David Davis is demanding an external investigation.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3328717/The-sex-tape-shames-Conservative-party-Tatler-Tory-used-vile-revenge-porn-humiliate-political-opponent.html


    But! But! But!

    The evil right wing press only go after traduced innocent Corbynites!

    Good old fashioned sex'n drugs political scandal - which many very shortly go sub-judice by the looks of it.......

    Interesting how the Mail are very deliberately linking it to 'Cameron' as in 'Cameron's disgraced election aide' when as far as I've seen Cameron's involvement was to say 'keep up the good work' and 'well done' while its others who were involved in the hiring, promoting, and possibly ignoring Clarke's alleged misdemeanours.......
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    AndyJS said:

    "Kids Company boss Camila Batmanghelidjh admits she cheated to get into a top school when her mother took an exam for her
    She justified cheating by saying she 'would never have passed it myself'"


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3328860/Kids-Company-boss-Camila-Batmanghelidjh-admits-cheated-school-mother-took-exam-her.html

    Her last name starts with Batman? That's almost as bad as the golfer whose name ends with barn rat.
  • JohnLoonyJohnLoony Posts: 1,790

    I'll let you into a little secret that will shock many PBers, on election night, I nearly liked the result in Bradford West as much as the result in Rochester and Strood.

    For me, Bradford West was the best individual constituency result apart from Croydon Central.

  • JohnLoonyJohnLoony Posts: 1,790
    JohnLoony said:

    I'll let you into a little secret that will shock many PBers, on election night, I nearly liked the result in Bradford West as much as the result in Rochester and Strood.

    For me, Bradford West was the best individual constituency result apart from Croydon Central.
    Oops - I mucked up the quote thingy. But anyway.

  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Tim_B said:



    An H1-B IS a green card. Your best bet is to find an immigration attorney. He or she will give you 30 minutes or so for free, and explain your options. You will need an attorney to guide you through the process. Reach for the phone book. It's a complex process and you HAVE to have an attorney.

    Of course, not knowing which bay you are near could be a limiting factor ;)

    Tim, I don't think the H-1A, H-1B etc... are green cards.

    "The H-1B is a non-immigrant visa in the United States under the Immigration and Nationality Act, section 101(a)(15)(H). It allows U.S. employers to temporarily employ foreign workers in specialty occupations."

    Neither is the EB1 (the route I took), which is considered a pathway to a green card. The H1s are visas for professions with skills shortages and are generally good for (IIRC) 6 years, but have to be converted to green cards at the end of that period through a formal application process.
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