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  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''Labour MPs reporting even more negative feedback than usual from white working class voters in Oldham West - especially this week.''

    Even in the more 'diverse' areas???
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,925
    edited 2015 20

    Sandpit said:

    Fantastic last 10 overs from England! 350 up!
    Did Buttler get some sort of a record? No commentary in the ground!

    Edit: 355/5 from the 50 overs. Good luck to Pakistan getting that many!

    Fastest ever ton for an England player, and joint seventh fastest of all time.
    Great, thanks! Proud to have been a witness to it :)
    A few very glum Pakistani faces here in the bar - even a couple of them getting a drink!
  • I don't know a great deal about the NHS, apart from the fact that the ambulance service is at absolute breaking point. We regularly have to wait an hour or so for an ambulance, and more and more we are told that there are no ambulances available to transport casualties to hospital.
    On the subject of emergency service cuts in general, I think we're close to the edge in Leicestershire. There really is a serious lack of police during peak times. If we request a police presence for traffic management or because we believe a crime has been committed- say a car fire appears deliberate, or that some onlookers at an incident are getting a bit rowdy, we struggle to get to get one, because there just aren't enough police available.
    LFRS are going through a consultation of cuts at the moment, and even the senior management are admitting that the public will notice a difference in our response to them.
    It's an old cliché, but cuts will cost lives. The people of Leicestershire have been badly served over many years by local government and by senior management in their emergency services, and now they will be paying the price.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/12006988/Mali-Bamako-terrorist-attack-170-hostages-Paris-live.html#update-20151120-1450
    Richard Spencer wrote in June this year about how Al-Qaeda has unveiled a new British “frontman” who appears to model himself on Islamic State’s Jihadi John in a video in which he questions two Western hostages in the Sahara desert.

    The masked interrogator uses fluent English with a clear British accent as the footage, posted online, shows him talking with the captives. In the attack today on the hotel in Bamako, one hostage described that they heard a gunman speaking English.

    The use of an English-speaker in the video is a new move from jihadists in the mainly French and Arabic-speaking countries of the western Sahara.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,756

    JackW said:

    As for the use of drones, it's seems rather optimistic to think that, if we don't use them, the jihadists won't if they get the chance.

    A "Drone" seems a rather unkind reflection on Don Brind's thread about the Jezzbollah jihadists.

    Drones are probably the least of our worries, given that it appears ISIS may have chemical weapons, at least according to the French.
    Do you button up the back
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,756

    Ha! I wish I'd never seen Martin Freeman's PPB. I can't watch Fargo S1 in the same light again.

    I loathed Sherlock with Ego Cumberbatch, so don't miss him in that at all.

    HYUFD said:

    I detest Dave Mitchell's smuggery. He makes Stephen Fry look modest.

    HYUFD said:

    I've no idea who Robert Webb is. Is he famous? I've no compass here on popular culture.

    I've been away from the screen - have we done this one?

    "Actor and comedian Robert Webb has revealed on Twitter he has cancelled his membership of the Labour party."

    Pass the popcorn!

    Mitchell and Webb? His comedy partner is David Mitchell
    Well at least you now know who Robert Webb is
    Is Fargo any good, me and the missus are looking for something decent to download.

    Meantime you'll enjoy this:

    http://youtu.be/ZtgPeNKpnyw
    First one was excellent , having only watched first two episodes of this one, it does not look like it will match that but not rubbish.
  • blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    taffys said:

    ''Labour MPs reporting even more negative feedback than usual from white working class voters in Oldham West - especially this week.''

    Even in the more 'diverse' areas???

    Still 2/9 best price

  • blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    Re Oldham, if what we hear is correct the WWC are leaving labour for Ukip, leaving the ethnic vote to labour, I don't know to what extent this is true. If it is it leaves the labour party struggling with a message.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,959

    What scale are we applying here? O_0

    A tweet of relevance to those betting on Oldham West & Royton:

    Jim Pickard ‏@PickardJE · 1m1 minute ago
    Labour MPs reporting even more negative feedback than usual from white working class voters in Oldham West - especially this week.

    Why would Labour MPs report that publicly? In order to gee up their supporters?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,268
    edited 2015 20

    I don't know a great deal about the NHS, apart from the fact that the ambulance service is at absolute breaking point. We regularly have to wait an hour or so for an ambulance, and more and more we are told that there are no ambulances available to transport casualties to hospital.
    On the subject of emergency service cuts in general, I think we're close to the edge in Leicestershire. There really is a serious lack of police during peak times. If we request a police presence for traffic management or because we believe a crime has been committed- say a car fire appears deliberate, or that some onlookers at an incident are getting a bit rowdy, we struggle to get to get one, because there just aren't enough police available.
    LFRS are going through a consultation of cuts at the moment, and even the senior management are admitting that the public will notice a difference in our response to them.
    It's an old cliché, but cuts will cost lives. The people of Leicestershire have been badly served over many years by local government and by senior management in their emergency services, and now they will be paying the price.

    Andy Burnham thinks that the police could stand another 10% cut in funding. If he thinks another 10% funding cut would be acceptable then presumably (although with today's Labour Party who knows) he thinks cuts to-date are fine and dandy.

    What else and why else would he say that?

    (2.18pm)

    publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201516/cmhansrd/cm151104/debtext/151104-0002.htm
  • LennonLennon Posts: 1,785
    Apologies if it's already been linked to, but I hadn't seen it - Matt Singh's analysis of where the polls went wrong is definitely worth a read if you've not already done so.

    http://www.ncpolitics.uk/2015/11/where-the-polls-went-wrong.html/
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621

    Re Oldham, if what we hear is correct the WWC are leaving labour for Ukip, leaving the ethnic vote to labour, I don't know to what extent this is true. If it is it leaves the labour party struggling with a message.

    Whereas the message to Labour from the WWC is crystal clear, albeit in a northern accent.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    I don't know a great deal about the NHS, apart from the fact that the ambulance service is at absolute breaking point. We regularly have to wait an hour or so for an ambulance, and more and more we are told that there are no ambulances available to transport casualties to hospital.
    On the subject of emergency service cuts in general, I think we're close to the edge in Leicestershire. There really is a serious lack of police during peak times. If we request a police presence for traffic management or because we believe a crime has been committed- say a car fire appears deliberate, or that some onlookers at an incident are getting a bit rowdy, we struggle to get to get one, because there just aren't enough police available.
    LFRS are going through a consultation of cuts at the moment, and even the senior management are admitting that the public will notice a difference in our response to them.
    It's an old cliché, but cuts will cost lives. The people of Leicestershire have been badly served over many years by local government and by senior management in their emergency services, and now they will be paying the price.

    If only the previous Labour government hadn't squandered fortunes leaving maxed out deficit before the recession hit. Just imagine if after 18 years of growth we'd had a small surplus instead like we did in the last recession 18 years before then we wouldn't need to do these cuts today. But we can't turn back time only ensure the same mistakes aren't repeated again don't you agree?

    Because these cuts will pale into petty insignificance if another recession hits while the deficit isn't under control and with debt at current levels.
  • TOPPING said:

    I don't know a great deal about the NHS, apart from the fact that the ambulance service is at absolute breaking point. We regularly have to wait an hour or so for an ambulance, and more and more we are told that there are no ambulances available to transport casualties to hospital.
    On the subject of emergency service cuts in general, I think we're close to the edge in Leicestershire. There really is a serious lack of police during peak times. If we request a police presence for traffic management or because we believe a crime has been committed- say a car fire appears deliberate, or that some onlookers at an incident are getting a bit rowdy, we struggle to get to get one, because there just aren't enough police available.
    LFRS are going through a consultation of cuts at the moment, and even the senior management are admitting that the public will notice a difference in our response to them.
    It's an old cliché, but cuts will cost lives. The people of Leicestershire have been badly served over many years by local government and by senior management in their emergency services, and now they will be paying the price.

    Andy Burnham thinks that the police could stand another 10% cut in funding. If he thinks another 10% funding cut would be acceptable then presumably (although with today's Labour Party who knows) he thinks cuts to-date are fine and dandy.

    What else and why else would he say that?

    (2.18pm)

    publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201516/cmhansrd/cm151104/debtext/151104-0002.htm
    I'm sure there is a lot of fat that can be cut, from both the police and the fire service, but the trouble is, both services are saddled with plenty of crap that government wants them to do, and that means that the bread and butter, frontline stuff is the area that gets cut.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    taffys said:

    ''Labour MPs reporting even more negative feedback than usual from white working class voters in Oldham West - especially this week.''

    Even in the more 'diverse' areas???

    No need to worry about those areas as the postal votes would have already been returned.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792

    What I find so curious is WHY they want Mi5 disbanded.

    Floater said:

    Snigger

    "The Labour Party has just had its worst week ever. Worst week ever, that is, since last week. And worst week ever, probably, until next week. "

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/12007610/Jeremy-Corbyn-has-presided-over-Labours-worst-ever-week.-Until-next-week.html

    A snippet in that article on something which I'd missed:

    The Sun unearthed the principles and demands of the Socialist Campaign for a Labour a Victory (SCLV). Among these were a call for MI5 to be disbanded and the police to be disarmed. Standard for the far Left, but of great interest because they were signed by both Corbyn's policy chief Andrew Fisher and the Shadow Chancellor

    And yet some Corbyn supporters still have their heads in the sand. What will it take before they accept that the duck is quacking because it's a duck?
    They want to set up their own secret police filled with their henchmen.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976

    What scale are we applying here? O_0

    A tweet of relevance to those betting on Oldham West & Royton:

    Jim Pickard ‏@PickardJE · 1m1 minute ago
    Labour MPs reporting even more negative feedback than usual from white working class voters in Oldham West - especially this week.

    Why would Labour MPs report that publicly? In order to gee up their supporters?
    Could be to boost activists and foot soldiers, or a slight dig at Jeremy Corbyn. - One thing is for sure, there are a lot of Labour MPs now openly opposing him in parliament and the media at large.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,774
    Jeremy Hunt rejects BMA offer of Acas mediation.

    Appears to want a strike

    "Enemy within"
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822

    Jeremy Hunt rejects BMA offer of Acas mediation.

    Appears to want a strike

    "Enemy within"

    I think you mean 'BMA rejects offer of ACAS mediation without preconditions'.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,233

    Jeremy Hunt rejects BMA offer of Acas mediation.

    Appears to want a strike

    "Enemy within"

    Must be the first strike in history where they are striking against working fewer hours. :p
  • blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    Anorak said:

    Re Oldham, if what we hear is correct the WWC are leaving labour for Ukip, leaving the ethnic vote to labour, I don't know to what extent this is true. If it is it leaves the labour party struggling with a message.

    Whereas the message to Labour from the WWC is crystal clear, albeit in a northern accent.
    The point is, imagine the Tunbridge Wells WI deserting the conservatives, no idea where labour go from here beyond Islington and inner cities full of immigrants.

    I still think they'll win in Oldham, albeit narrowly, but the message they've had drilled into activists for decades is redundant.

  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    RobD said:

    Jeremy Hunt rejects BMA offer of Acas mediation.

    Appears to want a strike

    "Enemy within"

    Must be the first strike in history where they are striking against working fewer hours. :p
    And an 11% pay rise.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    I don't know a great deal about the NHS, apart from the fact that the ambulance service is at absolute breaking point. We regularly have to wait an hour or so for an ambulance, and more and more we are told that there are no ambulances available to transport casualties to hospital.
    On the subject of emergency service cuts in general, I think we're close to the edge in Leicestershire. There really is a serious lack of police during peak times. If we request a police presence for traffic management or because we believe a crime has been committed- say a car fire appears deliberate, or that some onlookers at an incident are getting a bit rowdy, we struggle to get to get one, because there just aren't enough police available.
    LFRS are going through a consultation of cuts at the moment, and even the senior management are admitting that the public will notice a difference in our response to them.
    It's an old cliché, but cuts will cost lives. The people of Leicestershire have been badly served over many years by local government and by senior management in their emergency services, and now they will be paying the price.

    How is that new HQ of your service getting on? Still full of staff is it? Does Leicester FRS have former control room staff now in positions of senior management? What proportion is there of back-office staff to firefighters compared to 30 years ago?

    I am not having a dig at you with those questions, Mr. Stopper. I merely suspect that like the Plod (and the MoD and probably the ambulance service too) the admin tail has long been and still is wagging the operational dog and nobody at the top of any of the services has a clue what to do about it (or even, I suspect, that something needs to be done).
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,362

    A tweet of relevance to those betting on Oldham West & Royton:

    Jim Pickard ‏@PickardJE · 1m1 minute ago
    Labour MPs reporting even more negative feedback than usual from white working class voters in Oldham West - especially this week.

    But their last negative feedback session about Ed in May still gave them a 14,730 majority. So not just more than usual, it needs truly unusual levels of negative feedback to lose.

    That said, I have no idea what Labour can say on the doorsteps right now.


  • TwistedFireStopperTwistedFireStopper Posts: 2,538
    edited 2015 20

    I don't know a great deal about the NHS, apart from the fact that the ambulance service is at absolute breaking point. We regularly have to wait an hour or so for an ambulance, and more and more we are told that there are no ambulances available to transport casualties to hospital.
    On the subject of emergency service cuts in general, I think we're close to the edge in Leicestershire. There really is a serious lack of police during peak times. If we request a police presence for traffic management or because we believe a crime has been committed- say a car fire appears deliberate, or that some onlookers at an incident are getting a bit rowdy, we struggle to get to get one, because there just aren't enough police available.
    LFRS are going through a consultation of cuts at the moment, and even the senior management are admitting that the public will notice a difference in our response to them.
    It's an old cliché, but cuts will cost lives. The people of Leicestershire have been badly served over many years by local government and by senior management in their emergency services, and now they will be paying the price.

    How is that new HQ of your service getting on? Still full of staff is it? Does Leicester FRS have former control room staff now in positions of senior management? What proportion is there of back-office staff to firefighters compared to 30 years ago?

    I am not having a dig at you with those questions, Mr. Stopper. I merely suspect that like the Plod (and the MoD and probably the ambulance service too) the admin tail has long been and still is wagging the operational dog and nobody at the top of any of the services has a clue what to do about it (or even, I suspect, that something needs to be done).
    Our swanky new HQ is like the effing Marie Celeste, but we can't sell it as it's just "not financially viable" to get shot of it!
    Look, you're preaching to the converted, mate, operational is always the poor relation in any public sector organisation, and I can't see that changing anytime soon.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,137
    Mr. Stopper, you need a Basil II to shaft the bureaucratic aristocrats and focus on the front line.

    Alas, it seems an unlikely prospect.
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    edited 2015 20

    A tweet of relevance to those betting on Oldham West & Royton:

    Jim Pickard ‏@PickardJE · 1m1 minute ago
    Labour MPs reporting even more negative feedback than usual from white working class voters in Oldham West - especially this week.

    But their last negative feedback session about Ed in May still gave them a 14,730 majority. So not just more than usual, it needs truly unusual levels of negative feedback to lose.
    That said, I have no idea what Labour can say on the doorsteps right now.
    Vote for us out of pity?
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Should 16-year-olds get the vote? Watch @philipjcowley and @bycLIVE debate on #TWIP at 11pm on BBCParliament https://t.co/EHnmEGdZ3U
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    'That said, I have no idea what Labour can say on the doorsteps right now.'

    Last night Burnham came out with an astonishing 'now never mind what Jeremy Corbyn says, here's what I think'.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Floater said:

    Snigger

    "The Labour Party has just had its worst week ever. Worst week ever, that is, since last week. And worst week ever, probably, until next week. "

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/12007610/Jeremy-Corbyn-has-presided-over-Labours-worst-ever-week.-Until-next-week.html

    A snippet in that article on something which I'd missed:

    The Sun unearthed the principles and demands of the Socialist Campaign for a Labour a Victory (SCLV). Among these were a call for MI5 to be disbanded and the police to be disarmed. Standard for the far Left, but of great interest because they were signed by both Corbyn's policy chief Andrew Fisher and the Shadow Chancellor

    And yet some Corbyn supporters still have their heads in the sand. What will it take before they accept that the duck is quacking because it's a duck?
    I noticed that too.

    But then decided I was not surprised.

    Labour's mad descent into irrelevance continues apace.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,750
    The Doctors are going to lose, just like the miners !
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    The NHS is a great 1950s idea.

    Regrettable that we are now in 2015
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903

    Jeremy Hunt rejects BMA offer of Acas mediation.

    Appears to want a strike

    "Enemy within"

    I think you mean 'BMA rejects offer of ACAS mediation without preconditions'.
    Is Mr owls not giving us the full fact then?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281
    Cyclefree said:


    Tony Judt, a marvellous (and, sadly, late) historian also described the phenomenon:-

    I'd missed his passing - shame! In Postwar he had a wonderful simile for the post-Thatcher Conservative Party - 'like a deranged seance'

    'Are you there, Margaret? Have you got a message for us Margaret?'
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,741
    @ComResPolls: Latest @ITVNews poll: 53% think government is wrong to reduce spending on working tax credits. 31% say it is right http://www.comres.co.uk/polls/itv-news-tax-credits-survey/

    @ComResPolls: Latest @ITVNews poll- proposed changes to tax credits are:

    Fair 31%
    Unfair 51%

    Necessary 39%
    Unnecessary 43%

    http://www.comres.co.uk/polls/itv-news-tax-credits-survey/
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited 2015 20

    Jeremy Hunt rejects BMA offer of Acas mediation.

    Appears to want a strike

    "Enemy within"

    I think you mean 'BMA rejects offer of ACAS mediation without preconditions'.
    Is Mr owls not giving us the full fact then?
    Hunt has stated that he wants direct talks, before resorting to ACAS.

    'In an interview with the BBC, Mr Hunt said : "We don't rule that (Acas) out at some stage, but this process has already had independent mediation right from the start.

    "We went to the Independent Pay Review Body, they came up with their proposals, we accepted their proposals and they are the basis of what we are proposing should change."

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-3324959/BMA-set-confirm-strike-junior-doctors.html
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,741
    Half of Britons (49%) think the Government’s proposed changes to tax credits are an example of George Osborne making bad decisions as Chancellor. 28% think it is an example of him making good decisions.

    44% think that the changes represent a broken election promise by the Conservatives, while 33% think the changes are the Conservatives carrying out the welfare reform they said they would.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,741
    @CRProudman: Cosmetic surgery is feminine vanity for male pleasure. There's only one winner & it isn't women under the knife.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Ditto make up which she wears trowels of.

    @CRProudman: Cosmetic surgery is feminine vanity for male pleasure. There's only one winner & it isn't women under the knife.

  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    MaxPB said:

    NHS trusts in England have declared the worst financial performance in the history of the health service, with fears some hospitals will run out of cash to pay staff.
    New figures from NHS regulators revealed a deficit of £1.6bn, with projections the figure will reach £2.2bn by the end of the financial year.
    Experts told the Telegraph that the situation is now so bleak that there are fears that over the next year, some hospitals will be unable to pay their staff.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs/12005483/NHS-faces-worst-financial-crisis-in-its-history.html

    and yet we're expected to give Jr Drs a pay rise?
    What is your solution?
    Fire 50% of the managers.

    Longer term we need to look at ending life extending treatment on the NHS for very old people and looking at prescription charges for type 2 diabetics.
    Ending PCTs got rid of a lot of mangers. ACute trusts went from running surpluses to runing deficits.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    edited 2015 20
    Sky: Mali siege reportedly coming to a close. "Gunmen have no more hostages."
    Reports of at least 18 dead...
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    I thought Corbyn would be a disaster for Labour, but I didn't think it would be this bad, so soon.

    I thought he'd have a honeymoon for a while, but this is turning into the honeymoon where your wife finds out you've slept with her sister, best mate, and her mother, concurrently.

    Depends what you, or Jezza for that matter, thinks Lab should look like.

    The Lab of last May will look nothing like the Lab of next May so maybe he has been a much needed shot in the arm for (Jezza's view of) Lab.
    They should look like a credible opposition.

    Yesterday close to 100% of those Docs taking part voted to strike, what were Labour discussing, whether their Shadow Chancellor wanted to abolish MI5.

    On the day of the tax credits vote, what were Labour discussing, why Corbyn hadn't sung God Save The Queen the day before.
    As my dear old grandmother used to say, now is not the time for logic.

    You might think they should look like a credible opposition but who are you to dictate what the Labour Party should look like? The people who voted in and are being recruited by Jezza evidently think something else. And them's the ones that matter right now.
    The country needs a strong opposition to ensure proper scrutiny of the government.
    The country needs LOYAL opposition. We certainly have not had that for the last 5 years in my opinion.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,831
    taffys said:

    'That said, I have no idea what Labour can say on the doorsteps right now.'

    Last night Burnham came out with an astonishing 'now never mind what Jeremy Corbyn says, here's what I think'.

    Desperate. Truly desperate.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,741
    Not again.

    England's win over Pakistan in third ODI being investigated for corruption unit after suspicious betting patterns emerge

    England beat Pakistan in the third ODI in Sharjah by six wickets

    ICC investigating the match after suspicious betting patterns emerged

    Officers were warned about potential corruption before series began

    http://dailym.ai/1O7DvmY
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,925
    A couple of early breakthroughs for England, but Pakistan are off at 7+ an over. A couple more quick wickets needed...
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited 2015 20

    @ComResPolls: Latest @ITVNews poll: 53% think government is wrong to reduce spending on working tax credits. 31% say it is right http://www.comres.co.uk/polls/itv-news-tax-credits-survey/

    @ComResPolls: Latest @ITVNews poll- proposed changes to tax credits are:

    Fair 31%
    Unfair 51%

    Necessary 39%
    Unnecessary 43%

    http://www.comres.co.uk/polls/itv-news-tax-credits-survey/

    Interesting to see that the government continue to have a plurality on cutting benefits, but not tax credits.

    Equally more support for cutting child tax credits than working tax credits.

    It's all about language and public understanding.

    Income Support and Child Benefit disguised as though they are working tax credits.

    Also, cutting tax credits is rated at +2 as good for the economy.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    Not again.

    England's win over Pakistan in third ODI being investigated for corruption unit after suspicious betting patterns emerge

    England beat Pakistan in the third ODI in Sharjah by six wickets

    ICC investigating the match after suspicious betting patterns emerged

    Officers were warned about potential corruption before series began

    http://dailym.ai/1O7DvmY

    Depressing news.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,137
    edited 2015 20
    Apparently all the hostages are out of the Malian hotel.

    Edited extra bit: apologies, slightly misread the line. The gunmen reportedly no longer have hostages, which may mean the same thing, or may have an altogether grimmer meaning.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    RodCrosby said:

    Sky: Mali siege reportedly coming to a close. "Gunmen have no more hostages."
    Reports of at least 18 dead...

    Does that mean about 150 people are unaccounted for?
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    edited 2015 20
    AndyJS said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Sky: Mali siege reportedly coming to a close. "Gunmen have no more hostages."
    Reports of at least 18 dead...

    Does that mean about 150 people are unaccounted for?
    Reuters: UN Peace Keepers have seen 27 bodies, expected to rise...
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,925

    Not again.

    England's win over Pakistan in third ODI being investigated for corruption unit after suspicious betting patterns emerge

    England beat Pakistan in the third ODI in Sharjah by six wickets

    ICC investigating the match after suspicious betting patterns emerged

    Officers were warned about potential corruption before series began

    http://dailym.ai/1O7DvmY

    Sad but not unsurprising. I've not been betting on the ODIs out here, but lots of people have been (in a country with no legal bookmakers).
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited 2015 20
    The 'necessity' of tax credit cuts is accepted in Y and H, West Mids, East Mids, East England, SE and SW.

    Objections: Wales, Scotland, London, NE, NW.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,641

    Not again.

    England's win over Pakistan in third ODI being investigated for corruption unit after suspicious betting patterns emerge

    England beat Pakistan in the third ODI in Sharjah by six wickets

    ICC investigating the match after suspicious betting patterns emerged

    Officers were warned about potential corruption before series began

    http://dailym.ai/1O7DvmY

    Cricket in a "spot" of bother?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,641

    Apparently all the hostages are out of the Malian hotel.

    Edited extra bit: apologies, slightly misread the line. The gunmen reportedly no longer have hostages, which may mean the same thing, or may have an altogether grimmer meaning.

    That's a relief - but RIP to those that didn't make it.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Anorak said:

    Re Oldham, if what we hear is correct the WWC are leaving labour for Ukip, leaving the ethnic vote to labour, I don't know to what extent this is true. If it is it leaves the labour party struggling with a message.

    Whereas the message to Labour from the WWC is crystal clear, albeit in a northern accent.
    The point is, imagine the Tunbridge Wells WI deserting the conservatives, no idea where labour go from here beyond Islington and inner cities full of immigrants.

    I still think they'll win in Oldham, albeit narrowly, but the message they've had drilled into activists for decades is redundant.

    No wonder they were so keen to import new voters.

    Where do they turn when immigrants choose other parties?
  • Chris_AChris_A Posts: 1,237
    Meanwhile it's all going swimmingly for Hunt; NHS trusts are now £1.6 billion in the red. They could sack agency nurses but then wouldn't meet safe staffing levels. And why do we need agency nurses? Because we don't train enough and Hunt and Lansley have severely pissed off those we do have that recruitment is difficult.
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    RodCrosby said:
    A lot of Red Starred cruise missiles inbound? RAF Akrotiri must be running up a massive electricity bill.
  • Chris_AChris_A Posts: 1,237
    watford30 said:

    Jeremy Hunt rejects BMA offer of Acas mediation.

    Appears to want a strike

    "Enemy within"

    I think you mean 'BMA rejects offer of ACAS mediation without preconditions'.
    Is Mr owls not giving us the full fact then?
    Hunt has stated that he wants direct talks, before resorting to ACAS.

    'In an interview with the BBC, Mr Hunt said : "We don't rule that (Acas) out at some stage, but this process has already had independent mediation right from the start.

    "We went to the Independent Pay Review Body, they came up with their proposals, we accepted their proposals and they are the basis of what we are proposing should change."

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-3324959/BMA-set-confirm-strike-junior-doctors.html
    Strange that he now seems to swear by the merits of the Pay Review Body the DoH have ignored the recommendations of every one of them on NHS pay in general over the last several years.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    A quick calculation implies that reducing child tax credits for child 3 in families, combined with complete abolition of awards for fourth and subsequent children would get Osborne home without making any changes to tapers and earnings thresholds whilst giving 100% protection of awards for the first two children on any tax credit claim.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    felix said:
    Not just hypocrisy, this is Labour hypocrisy.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,548

    Cyclefree said:


    Tony Judt, a marvellous (and, sadly, late) historian also described the phenomenon:-

    I'd missed his passing - shame! In Postwar he had a wonderful simile for the post-Thatcher Conservative Party - 'like a deranged seance'

    'Are you there, Margaret? Have you got a message for us Margaret?'
    He died of a particularly cruel form of motor neurone disease a few years back. He still managed to write: The Memory Chalet is a short collection of poignant essays as he looks back at episodes in his life. And there is a collaboration with Timothy Snyder which is well worth reading.

    His widow, Jennifer Homans, has recently published a book of his essays.

    His analysis of the French Left particularly in the 1930's and in the post-war period is superb and very on point re the times we live in now. Understand what happened to them then, in relation to both Nazism and Communism, and the cul de sac into which the left has wandered into now with Islamism is no surprise and a depressing re-enactment. The only surprise is that we are surprised.

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,925
    Pakistan 1/3 of the way through the overs and 1/3 of the required runs on the board, for only a couple of wickets. Need to send these two back to the pavillion quickly otherwise the game could run away from England in a very high scoring match. Assuming Pakistan want to win, of course...
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,925
    Another very dodgy looking run out :o - 129/3
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    edited 2015 20
    Russia firing cruise missiles from the Caspian to Raqqa and Aleppo...

    Lebanon refuses Russian request to close airspace.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    I find it a bit odd that no one on here has yet mentioned the latest government borrowing figures. They are not good.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/12007197/Autumn-Statement-2015-George-Osborne-dealt-a-blow-by-terrible-borrowing-figures.html

    Perhaps it just suits the interests of those arguing for ever more state spending to ignore the fact that as a Nation the UK is skint and for Osborne's supporters to ignore the fact that as a chancellor he is doing such a dreadful job.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,137
    Mr. Llama, the borrowing has been mentioned. Seems a good argument for limiting tax credits, and sending in the enormo-haddock to deal with dummy-spitting Lib Dem and Labour peers.
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited 2015 20
    RodCrosby said:

    Russia firing cruise missiles from the Caspian to Raqqa and Aleppo...

    Lebanon refuses Russian request to close airspace.

    The Russians were winding up the RAF over the Atlantic last night. A pair of Typhoons went up to say 'Hello'.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,052

    I find it a bit odd that no one on here has yet mentioned the latest government borrowing figures. They are not good.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/12007197/Autumn-Statement-2015-George-Osborne-dealt-a-blow-by-terrible-borrowing-figures.html

    Perhaps it just suits the interests of those arguing for ever more state spending to ignore the fact that as a Nation the UK is skint and for Osborne's supporters to ignore the fact that as a chancellor he is doing such a dreadful job.

    It was raised a bit earlier, to be sure. The public won't accept the sort of action apparently required it get it under control, and Osborne can have no excuse for such a pathetic job - having staked his reputation on eliminating borrowing (in 10 years rather than 5 even), even if someone believes meeting that target is not important, or that it cannot be done without too much pain right now, has to say, if those figures are as bad as they appear, that he has utterly failed. People let him off not meeting his target in 5 years, but if after 10 years of cutting he still hasn't? Even with a crap opposition I don't see how he personally could live that down.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281
    RodCrosby said:
    Just flown from Europe to the Far East.....the 'Great Circle Route' (alarmingly still shown on the IFE) takes you over Ukraine....so thats out.....when I checked a few weeks ago it was 'down Italy, over the Med & Egypt, including Sinai, then on to Saudi & the Indian Ocean.'

    So we flew over Turkey & Iran.......
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    Mr. Llama, the borrowing has been mentioned. Seems a good argument for limiting tax credits, and sending in the enormo-haddock to deal with dummy-spitting Lib Dem and Labour peers.

    If it has already been discussed I apologise, I must have missed it.

    The enormo-haddock should, of course, be sent into Downing Street, there to beat some sense into Cameron and his sidekick.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    chestnut said:

    A quick calculation implies that reducing child tax credits for child 3 in families, combined with complete abolition of awards for fourth and subsequent children would get Osborne home without making any changes to tapers and earnings thresholds whilst giving 100% protection of awards for the first two children on any tax credit claim.

    Isn't that how it used to be back in the 1970s?
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    A UN official has said that peacekeepers on the scene have seen 27 bodies at the hotel in Bamako. They stressed the information is still preliminary and search continues of the hotel.

    The peacekeepers saw 12 corpses in the basement of the hotel and another 15 on the second floor, the official said on condition of anonymity. He added that the U.N. troops were still helping Malian authorities search the hotel.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited 2015 20
    It is worth noting that ONS overstate the monthly deficit almost always on first estimates.

    The 12 month rolling deficit is £70.4bn. That's £27bn lower than the figure ONS reported at the same time last year, and within £1bn of the year end expectation.

    Debt interest is about £50bn.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281
    Ouch!

    George Eaton
    Corbyn has best net satisfaction rating of any leader in new @IpsosMORI poll. (Via @MSmithsonPB.)

    Ben Page, Ipsos MORI ‏@benatipsosmori 8m8 minutes ago
    @georgeeaton @IpsosMORI @MSmithsonPB and by historic standards one of the worst for a new leader
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Another suitcase hoax
    A Jewish primary school was evacuated after a suspicious package was discovered in a nearby alleyway.

    Pupils and staff at Gateshead Jewish Primary School, Tyne and Wear, were sent home as bomb disposal experts cordoned off the road and cleared residents from nearby houses.

    Officers carried out a controlled explosion on the package and later said it had not posed any risk http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3327207/Sign-times-Bomb-disposal-experts-evacuate-Jewish-primary-school-blow-suspicious-package-Britain-high-alert-Paris.html
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    #context

    Ouch!

    George Eaton
    Corbyn has best net satisfaction rating of any leader in new @IpsosMORI poll. (Via @MSmithsonPB.)

    Ben Page, Ipsos MORI ‏@benatipsosmori 8m8 minutes ago
    @georgeeaton @IpsosMORI @MSmithsonPB and by historic standards one of the worst for a new leader

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @rosschawkins: There's an expectation in diplomat circles the French Syria resolution will pass at UN Security Council tonight - Syria debate about to move

    @rosschawkins: AP reports French resolution states: "eradicate the safe haven they have established over significant parts of Iraq and Syria.''

    @rosschawkins: If UN resolution passes q for Corbyn: whip the vote and likely see front bench resignations, or back down on whipping?
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    edited 2015 20
    Russian TV showing "For us, for Paris" being painted on cruises before firing....
    http://sputniknews.com/videoclub/20151120/1030471556/for-us-for-paris-russian-airstrikes-isil-syria.html
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    edited 2015 20

    Ditto make up which she wears trowels of.

    @CRProudman: Cosmetic surgery is feminine vanity for male pleasure. There's only one winner & it isn't women under the knife.

    She's not even that pretty - although I probably would.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    She looks like an android.
    GeoffM said:

    Ditto make up which she wears trowels of.

    @CRProudman: Cosmetic surgery is feminine vanity for male pleasure. There's only one winner & it isn't women under the knife.

    She's not even that pretty - although I probably would.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    She looks like an android.

    GeoffM said:

    Ditto make up which she wears trowels of.

    @CRProudman: Cosmetic surgery is feminine vanity for male pleasure. There's only one winner & it isn't women under the knife.

    She's not even that pretty - although I probably would.
    I have flexible standards, especially on a Friday evening.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,161
    chestnut said:

    A quick calculation implies that reducing child tax credits for child 3 in families, combined with complete abolition of awards for fourth and subsequent children would get Osborne home without making any changes to tapers and earnings thresholds whilst giving 100% protection of awards for the first two children on any tax credit claim.

    Really?

    Child benefit costs us approx 13bn a year. In the latest year we have statistics, 9.5% of children born (in 2013) were fourth or later.

    So, across the entire cohort of kids (0-18), probably 6% are fourth or later. Of course, first child (of which there are the most) gets almost twice as much. So, if we assume 10% of kids are third, and cut their allowance by half, and eliminate it for the 6% or so that are fourth or later, then we reduce the total child benefit bill by approximately 1.75bn.

    Which would be good, and is to be applauded.

    But it barely touches our annual budget deficit.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,137
    Surely if Russia approves of the UN motion, that would be good enough for Chairman Corbyn?
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    :lol:
    GeoffM said:

    She looks like an android.

    GeoffM said:

    Ditto make up which she wears trowels of.

    @CRProudman: Cosmetic surgery is feminine vanity for male pleasure. There's only one winner & it isn't women under the knife.

    She's not even that pretty - although I probably would.
    I have flexible standards, especially on a Friday evening.
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited 2015 20
    Scott_P said:

    ... snip ...
    @rosschawkins: If UN resolution passes q for Corbyn: whip the vote and likely see front bench resignations, or back down on whipping?

    Resignations? Ha Ha. The jellyfish will take the whipping and more.

  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    Chris_A said:

    Meanwhile it's all going swimmingly for Hunt; NHS trusts are now £1.6 billion in the red. They could sack agency nurses but then wouldn't meet safe staffing levels. And why do we need agency nurses? Because we don't train enough and Hunt and Lansley have severely pissed off those we do have that recruitment is difficult.

    That is trusts own fault. Health spending has gone up, its ring fenced and in 2010 Brown said that after all the money he had sprayed at it the NHS now had enough money and could undertake a 20bn efficiency drive.
    The Govt have already taken on board the Welcome Trusts analysis and promised and additional 8bn on top of its last budget figures.
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,449
    kle4 said:

    I find it a bit odd that no one on here has yet mentioned the latest government borrowing figures. They are not good.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/12007197/Autumn-Statement-2015-George-Osborne-dealt-a-blow-by-terrible-borrowing-figures.html

    Perhaps it just suits the interests of those arguing for ever more state spending to ignore the fact that as a Nation the UK is skint and for Osborne's supporters to ignore the fact that as a chancellor he is doing such a dreadful job.

    It was raised a bit earlier, to be sure. The public won't accept the sort of action apparently required it get it under control, and Osborne can have no excuse for such a pathetic job - having staked his reputation on eliminating borrowing (in 10 years rather than 5 even), even if someone believes meeting that target is not important, or that it cannot be done without too much pain right now, has to say, if those figures are as bad as they appear, that he has utterly failed. People let him off not meeting his target in 5 years, but if after 10 years of cutting he still hasn't? Even with a crap opposition I don't see how he personally could live that down.
    I was at a presentation by CEBR last week. Their forecast is for the deficit still to be £20bn by 2020 and that the political obstacles are "too high" for it to be eliminated.

    It amazed me at the last GE that Labour didn't make more of Osborne's failure to meet his 5 year target, escpailly as the 50% reduction he achieved was exactly what Labour proposed in 2010.
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474

    Chris_A said:

    Meanwhile it's all going swimmingly for Hunt; NHS trusts are now £1.6 billion in the red. They could sack agency nurses but then wouldn't meet safe staffing levels. And why do we need agency nurses? Because we don't train enough and Hunt and Lansley have severely pissed off those we do have that recruitment is difficult.

    That is trusts own fault. Health spending has gone up, its ring fenced and in 2010 Brown said that after all the money he had sprayed at it the NHS now had enough money and could undertake a 20bn efficiency drive.
    The Govt have already taken on board the Welcome Trusts analysis and promised and additional 8bn on top of its last budget figures.
    What's the betting they'd have found those efficiencies with barely a peep?
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Well then you're a nitwit.

    You can't complain about not reducing it enough, whilst bitching about cuts.

    kle4 said:

    I find it a bit odd that no one on here has yet mentioned the latest government borrowing figures. They are not good.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/12007197/Autumn-Statement-2015-George-Osborne-dealt-a-blow-by-terrible-borrowing-figures.html

    Perhaps it just suits the interests of those arguing for ever more state spending to ignore the fact that as a Nation the UK is skint and for Osborne's supporters to ignore the fact that as a chancellor he is doing such a dreadful job.

    It was raised a bit earlier, to be sure. The public won't accept the sort of action apparently required it get it under control, and Osborne can have no excuse for such a pathetic job - having staked his reputation on eliminating borrowing (in 10 years rather than 5 even), even if someone believes meeting that target is not important, or that it cannot be done without too much pain right now, has to say, if those figures are as bad as they appear, that he has utterly failed. People let him off not meeting his target in 5 years, but if after 10 years of cutting he still hasn't? Even with a crap opposition I don't see how he personally could live that down.
    I was at a presentation by CEBR last week. Their forecast is for the deficit still to be £20bn by 2020 and that the political obstacles are "too high" for it to be eliminated.

    It amazed me at the last GE that Labour didn't make more of Osborne's failure to meet his 5 year target, escpailly as the 50% reduction he achieved was exactly what Labour proposed in 2010.
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819

    Chris_A said:

    Meanwhile it's all going swimmingly for Hunt; NHS trusts are now £1.6 billion in the red. They could sack agency nurses but then wouldn't meet safe staffing levels. And why do we need agency nurses? Because we don't train enough and Hunt and Lansley have severely pissed off those we do have that recruitment is difficult.

    That is trusts own fault. Health spending has gone up, its ring fenced and in 2010 Brown said that after all the money he had sprayed at it the NHS now had enough money and could undertake a 20bn efficiency drive.
    The Govt have already taken on board the Welcome Trusts analysis and promised and additional 8bn on top of its last budget figures.
    The brutal truth is that most hospital management are inadequate. How they gets fixed in a socialist empire is probably an impossible challenge.
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,449
    edited 2015 20

    Well then you're a nitwit.

    You can't complain about not reducing it enough, whilst bitching about cuts.

    kle4 said:

    I find it a bit odd that no one on here has yet mentioned the latest government borrowing figures. They are not good.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/12007197/Autumn-Statement-2015-George-Osborne-dealt-a-blow-by-terrible-borrowing-figures.html

    Perhaps it just suits the interests of those arguing for ever more state spending to ignore the fact that as a Nation the UK is skint and for Osborne's supporters to ignore the fact that as a chancellor he is doing such a dreadful job.

    It was raised a bit earlier, to be sure. The public won't accept the sort of action apparently required it get it under control, and Osborne can have no excuse for such a pathetic job - having staked his reputation on eliminating borrowing (in 10 years rather than 5 even), even if someone believes meeting that target is not important, or that it cannot be done without too much pain right now, has to say, if those figures are as bad as they appear, that he has utterly failed. People let him off not meeting his target in 5 years, but if after 10 years of cutting he still hasn't? Even with a crap opposition I don't see how he personally could live that down.
    I was at a presentation by CEBR last week. Their forecast is for the deficit still to be £20bn by 2020 and that the political obstacles are "too high" for it to be eliminated.

    It amazed me at the last GE that Labour didn't make more of Osborne's failure to meet his 5 year target, escpailly as the 50% reduction he achieved was exactly what Labour proposed in 2010.
    You can if the cuts didn't achieve their aim. If I'd missed my primary target by 50% in my job, I'd have long since been shown the door.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Go on then, what cuts would you pick?

    Osborne has halved the deficit so far. I'm sick of handwringers complaining that too much has been cut and that cuts aren't enough, it's laughable.

    Well then you're a nitwit.

    You can't complain about not reducing it enough, whilst bitching about cuts.

    kle4 said:

    I find it a bit odd that no one on here has yet mentioned the latest government borrowing figures. They are not good.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/12007197/Autumn-Statement-2015-George-Osborne-dealt-a-blow-by-terrible-borrowing-figures.html

    Perhaps it just suits the interests of those arguing for ever more state spending to ignore the fact that as a Nation the UK is skint and for Osborne's supporters to ignore the fact that as a chancellor he is doing such a dreadful job.

    It was raised a bit earlier, to be sure. The public won't accept the sort of action apparently required it get it under control, and Osborne can have no excuse for such a pathetic job - having staked his reputation on eliminating borrowing (in 10 years rather than 5 even), even if someone believes meeting that target is not important, or that it cannot be done without too much pain right now, has to say, if those figures are as bad as they appear, that he has utterly failed. People let him off not meeting his target in 5 years, but if after 10 years of cutting he still hasn't? Even with a crap opposition I don't see how he personally could live that down.
    I was at a presentation by CEBR last week. Their forecast is for the deficit still to be £20bn by 2020 and that the political obstacles are "too high" for it to be eliminated.

    It amazed me at the last GE that Labour didn't make more of Osborne's failure to meet his 5 year target, escpailly as the 50% reduction he achieved was exactly what Labour proposed in 2010.
    You can if the cuts didn't achieve their aim.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    This is what you call cut-through:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CURaEQ3WUAAIrfH.jpg

    90% recall of any event is off the scale.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    A Malian security ministry spokesman has said that Malian special forces are still trying to dislodge Islamist gunmen from the upper floors of the hotel in Bamako.
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903

    kle4 said:

    I find it a bit odd that no one on here has yet mentioned the latest government borrowing figures. They are not good.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/12007197/Autumn-Statement-2015-George-Osborne-dealt-a-blow-by-terrible-borrowing-figures.html

    Perhaps it just suits the interests of those arguing for ever more state spending to ignore the fact that as a Nation the UK is skint and for Osborne's supporters to ignore the fact that as a chancellor he is doing such a dreadful job.

    It was raised a bit earlier, to be sure. The public won't accept the sort of action apparently required it get it under control, and Osborne can have no excuse for such a pathetic job - having staked his reputation on eliminating borrowing (in 10 years rather than 5 even), even if someone believes meeting that target is not important, or that it cannot be done without too much pain right now, has to say, if those figures are as bad as they appear, that he has utterly failed. People let him off not meeting his target in 5 years, but if after 10 years of cutting he still hasn't? Even with a crap opposition I don't see how he personally could live that down.
    I was at a presentation by CEBR last week. Their forecast is for the deficit still to be £20bn by 2020 and that the political obstacles are "too high" for it to be eliminated.

    It amazed me at the last GE that Labour didn't make more of Osborne's failure to meet his 5 year target, escpailly as the 50% reduction he achieved was exactly what Labour proposed in 2010.
    You are not comparing like with like and need to study the facts, not least relating to the structural deficit.
    Monthly borrowing figures are subject to peculiar fluctuations. The collapse in oil price and thus revenues will be one thing affecting revenues, ask the SNP.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    She looks like an android.

    GeoffM said:

    Ditto make up which she wears trowels of.

    @CRProudman: Cosmetic surgery is feminine vanity for male pleasure. There's only one winner & it isn't women under the knife.

    She's not even that pretty - although I probably would.
    She looks like the computor on Red Dwarf, though I think that had a better sense of humour.
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