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This morning’s disparity on terror related issues between the shadow foreign secretary, Hillary Benn, and Mr Corbyn highlights a problem for LAB that is not going to go away. The leader holds views that are way out of kilter with many of his party’s MPs not just his choice as shadow foreign secretary.
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The Miliband brand is tarnished, and the Tories would never use these pics at all
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01217/banana_1217414a.jpg
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He has been away from the UK political scene that people appeared to have forgotten how inept he was. I remember clearly his inability to eat a banana without appearing like a fool.
Labour has failed with one Miliband. They would fail with another.
Lab 1/5
UKIP 7/2
http://sports.williamhill.com/bet/en-gb/betting/e/8378499/Oldham-West-and-Royton-By-Election.html
It's like someone who when they go on holiday, leaving the door unlocked and a huge neon sign outside the house saying "we're away for the next two weeks". Doing that wouldn't justify someone then breaking into your house, it would still obviously be a wrong and criminal action, but nonetheless the homeowner would have to take some responsibility for increasing the risk of it happening.
I always thought this was the other way around: there are splits in a party as a consequence to its failings.
Further, Anonymous will probably do a very good job of disrupting ISIS communications, and will help mask actions by the security services.
Bring it on LOL
HYUFD is onto something when he tips Hilary Benn, I think.
More than likely GO or AN Other Tory.
Labour need to move on from the New Labour years, not return to them again and again. In short they need a Cameron. They may of course need a Howard first, but David Miliband is not the man for that.
Photogenic family, the Milibands.
Jarvis might just fit most of those criteria
But as the RN has no capability to police this - and indeed they do not, the UK is reliant on intercepting these boats in ports all along the South East coast of England (by which time they've landed and can claim asylum).
For an adequate UK defence, the UK needs to look at least a return to the 9 ships which were available prior to the switch to the River class. IIRC from memory the Scottish Government White Paper was to increase the existing fleet from three to 8 Offshore Patrol. That was just the capacity considered necessary to patrol Scottish Waters.
"This is my Miliband and if you don't like him...I have others....."
Ed Balls is a bigger beast than Miliband I, I have always thought he was a more effective Minister than either of the Milibands or his wife. Imagine if David Herdson hadn't been so good at helping to defenestrate him in Morley & Outwood, Labour might have had a very different leader.
Damn, I was sure you were an Adrian!
There can be mechanisms in place to relocate those granted asylum to other willing nations (and to help those front line countries) - but those who transit through country after country in order to reach the UK or Sweden or any other country of their choice have forfeited their genuine claim to asylum and have to be treated as economic migrants.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFNNHZcbnTY
It isn't. And you forget that in JC's case he is wholly selective when it comes to condemming groups - the West always wrong, the UK always wrong, Israel always wrong.....
I'm on all these, D Miliband may return; or Hilary Benn might try and knife Corbyn but the value at Evens is still on Corbyn keeping his job (For the moment).
http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2015/11/17/unfortunate-local-newspaper-layout-day/
I think that Brown may well have been the last Labour PM. Ever.
Peak kipper we may debate, but peak Labour was clearly 1997. They have lost ground in every GE since, and look like dropping further.
They are clearly not a good fit for the party.
"...the people of Stockport FULL STOP Get behind the leader OR kindly go..."
But they did say "kindly". This time...
(Anecdata - amongst my birthday prezzies at the weekend, I got not one but TWO tickets to see Star Wars over Christmas! Consecutive screenings!)
The first priority for Labour is to get rid of Corbyn. DM can play no part in that as he isn't in the Commons. If the PLP do not act on this swiftly there will be nothing meaningful to be the leader of.
Anything else is a distraction that Labour can do without.
I note that Harman and the other Blairites started the whole disallowing members process that the MPs are now so het up about.
No spine, no backbone, they scweam and scweam and scweam and then do precisely nothing. Andy Burnham is the embodiment of the PLP.
A LAUGHING STOCK.
The Grenadiers played the 1812 March, and we managed to time the howitzers firing to synch perfectly with the tune.
The next morning the police rocked up (we had already warned them). In fits of giggles they informed us that their switchboard had been jammed the night before...with people asking whether the Germans were invading...
You're perhaps missing my point, the bottom line is that there is no effective block and very little interception of people who are being shipped over on boats (which do not even have to land, but merely deposit their human cargo onto Ribs which ferry them the last few hundred metres.
Britain's three, over-stretched OPVs do not have the ability to police the coast and in any case, their primary function remains fisheries protection which they are quite stretched to deliver as it is.
Catching anyone being shipped across the channel independent of commercial routes is almost impossible with the current UK set up.
When they're reduced to 150 MPs in 2020, the membership might stop and think... the bet on Benn is still particularly live then.
Engand need 209 to win:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/cricket/34403407
If I were Ozzy, I'd announce I was ring-fencing the police, the security services and defence.
Up for it ?
I'll be backing bananaman btw
We need to set up asylum processing centres near the conflict zone - only then can we hope to control things. Anyone arriving by boat in the UK will have come from another safe state - and we should treat such people as economic migrants. If you don't claim asylum immediately you hit a safe state, you are no longer an asylum seeker.
Harsh - but until we get that message out, we will not be able to control anything
He's not known as a master strategist for nothing... !
Building the sound economic framework we need to keep Britain safe.
Frankly, Labour needs to develop its best talent from all wings as a bedrock of its recovery, the insipid choice in the leadership election made that clear above all. I include the left in that, Corbyn's thinking is the stalest of the lot - if we had had half a dozen Tsipras like figures fighting to wave the banner for the left we might be in a different place now (I expect some incredulity from PB Tories here!) - in many ways the putsch of the left after the mid 80s was far too effective and nobody new was allowed through, just leaving the dinosaurs.
Of course my, 'he would say that wouldn't he' plea, would now be for developing better talent on the right of the party. Jim McMahon would definitely add to the talent pool on the centre/right, and a decent victory here would now help his stock. And a by-election victory wouldn't help Corbyn for very long at all if he carries on as he is.
Should Labour elect a unity candidate, I promise I will extend my broad church of talent opinion back to the new left, but I will still reserve the right to desire to throttle them senseless a few years hence.
Btw, @Shadshy, thanks for 66/1 listing for Jim McMahon as next Labour leader. I suspect even with a by-election victory Corbyn's likely exit has moved forward this week, so seems a reasonable lengthening of odds on the 40/1 I suggested a few days ago.
The reality is that the vast majority of people who land via our open maritime borders, do not get caught, do not claim asylum, they merely disappear into the black economy. Whatever happens to those few that get caught is almost irrelevant,.
Because those who do not get caught are a significant and unreported number and there is absolutely no safeguard in place from UK Government to stop it.
Han Solo: Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other, and I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen *anything* to make me believe that there's one all-powerful Austerity controlling everything. 'Cause no mystical economic policy controls *my* destiny. It's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense.
David Miliband? Thats bananas!
Georgie Porgie will deflate rapidly.
Boris is still my best bet, especially if he leaves The Mayoralty on a high, and a clean sheet for for Zac to write on.
Should be we be mining our coastline to prevent small crafts from landing?
Setting up military checkpoints on every beach?
Perhaps identity cards with checkpoints on entry points to all urban centres - with immediate deportation for those without papers?
With such a vast coastline, you would need a vast, vast array of craft, surveillance points and staff.
Is that what you are actually proposing? Adding a few more frigates and minesweepers won't achieve what you are seeking, that is for sure.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11999580/Paris-terror-Hero-stranger-reveals-how-he-rescued-pregnant-woman-as-she-clung-for-life.html
http://www.buzzfeed.com/alanwhite/the-girlfriend-of-a-british-man-who-died-a-hero-in-paris-pos#.jwbRA7mVEW
And a few weeks back the guys on the train.
These are just the largish ships:
http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/
Also, if ISIS has gone onto Tor, then that will enable the government to query ISPs and ask "who among your customers uses Tor?", which will enable them to track potential users. (Likewise, Vodfone, etc.)
And if ISIS's website is now a .onion site, I'd have my money on Anonymous to hack it before the security services.
Worth recalling that David Miliband was pretty inept as Foreign Secretary.
That said, Frank Spencer would be doing a better job than Corbyn.
Type 45s and 23s do not have much of a record outside delivering tactical missiles which could have been delivered by an effective strategic missile system at the time they were used**. They certainly have no MILITARY role in any conceivable application to which the UK would require them.
But none of these are effective at defending the maritime border of the UK - the only proven effective method of providing this function is Offshore Patrol Vessels.
As I said previously, the Scottish Government expectation was to run 8 such ships to adequately defend Scottish waters. The Royal Navy currently runs THREE in British waters. Three. That is not adequate and not effective and why there is a wide open door to the UK.
**And yes, a strategic delivery vehicle is much more expensive but it's a hell of a lot cheaper than a tactical vehicle and a Type 45 Destroyer.
AFAICR, last time this was discussed on here, it was considered unlikely he would get through the initial approval processes to be shortlisted.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/analysis/32048.stm
How little some things in the world change. There's another piece about an emergency air-lift of UK tourists.
One of my older son's tells me it could be 15???
Quite frankly that is going to achieve nothing in terms of effective protection.
I agree than 3 such vessels for all British waters is even less effective - but I can't see any such plan really working unless we are talking about 100 OPVs - and even then, it would still be very easy to evade their attentions.
We are an island nation - we cannot police all of our waters. We have to look at other solutions.
FWIW, his mistake wasn't not challenging Brown in 2009; it was not working the Labour machine hard enough in 2010. DM lost because he was insufficiently 'one of us' then. He's way further from it now. What were his comments about the future of trade unionism again?