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  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited 2015 10
    Most of the public do not care about Europe.

    The sum total of their interest is:

    a) Immigration;
    b) Will I have to get my passport stamped and will it affect my holiday?
    c) It's handy them all accepting euros, saves getting lira, pesetas, etc;
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,750
    rcs1000 said:

    I've just taken the 5/6 on the LDs to save their deposit in Oldham West.

    If anyone wants to offer me some more, I'd be glad to it.

    Pulpstar?

    Nah, I'm happily on the other side of that with Ladbrokes Thanks :)
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,267

    On topic, I find myself in two minds on Sunday trading.

    On the one hand it's annoying that shops are rarely open for more than a few hours on Sunday. On the other hand it's a totally different day - a relaxed family day - and I'd hate to see it become a second Saturday.

    Ask them in Scotland what it is like. They are open 24 hours on Sunday. The Asda in Belfast is only open 1pm to 6pm. Is life better in Belfast?
    Equally travel to Dublin. Tesco superstores there are open 6 to midnight
    Was amazed on my first Saturday in Stuttgart in the mid 80s to find all the shops closing around 12:00.
    I can remember half day closing on Wedneaday in the uk and late night opening on Thursdays .
    I remember walking home from the tube during early evening rush hour many years ago looking at all the closed shops and marvelling at the opportunity cost of their 9am-5pm opening hours.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,548

    Cyclefree said:

    Lennon said:

    Where the SNP may have been quite clever is in picking a justification, workers wages, that may well resonate with a number of people south of the border. Whilst the concern is framed as the impact on Scottish workers' wages, it flags an issue for those down south that a Tory Government deregulating on Sunday trading is never going to countenance - a provision bringing in some sort of wage guarantee or an equivalent "non compulsion" provision which has presumably enabled Scots workers to demand a premium for Sunday working.

    So some folk in England might well think "Good on the SNP, protecting workers wages, good old socialists..."

    After campaigning in a marginal in England earlier on this year, I can categorically state English voters view the SNP with suspicion.

    The SNP could offer every English voter a free unicorn, a bar of gold and a night with George Clooney or Emma Stone, and the English voter would still be suspicious of the SNP.
    In fairness, given the adage that if it seems to good to be true it probably is - I would view anyone offering that with immense suspicion!
    Irritatingly George Clooney married a brilliant London-based lawyer. The wrong brilliant London-based lawyer, obviously. The fool. She looks like a man in drag.

    (And now I will sheath my claws and go and do some work.)
    If only you'd spent your Sundays shopping for the right coffee machine...
    As if any self-respecting Italian would have such a thing.......!

    Still, I hope he's happy with someone who looks like a cross between a giraffe and Joan Crawford.

  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,449

    A very unimpressed Daniel Hannan - who's fisked the renegotiation demands - and unsurprisingly recommends we vote to Leave:

    http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/2015/11/david-cameron-will-secure-all-of-his-eu-reforms-because-they-will-alter-nothing/

    I think he's spot on.

    Hand on heart, did you really expect Dan Hannan to recommend we stay ?
    If Dave tried to negotiate an opt out of the CFP and CAP then I think Hannan would have been inclined to back In.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    I'm surprised that more shops don't close on especially unproductive weekdays.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I've just taken the 5/6 on the LDs to save their deposit in Oldham West.

    If anyone wants to offer me some more, I'd be glad to it.

    Pulpstar?

    Nah, I'm happily on the other side of that with Ladbrokes Thanks :)
    Truly incredible that people on here are backing opposite sides of a two way mkt at 5/6 w LADBROKES rather than at Evens w each other

    I shake my head in despair
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,161
    isam said:

    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I've just taken the 5/6 on the LDs to save their deposit in Oldham West.

    If anyone wants to offer me some more, I'd be glad to it.

    Pulpstar?

    Nah, I'm happily on the other side of that with Ladbrokes Thanks :)
    Truly incredible that people on here are backing opposite sides of a two way mkt at 5/6 w LADBROKES rather than at Evens w each other

    I shake my head in despair
    I would have happily taken it with Pulpstar instead :-)

    Come on isam, you want to be other side of the trade with me?

    (I would point out that I lost a bet on the LDs in Cambridge, if that helps :lol:)
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,267
    chestnut said:

    Most of the public do not care about Europe.

    The sum total of their interest is:

    a) Immigration;
    b) Will I have to get my passport stamped and will it affect my holiday?
    c) It's handy them all accepting euros, saves getting lira, pesetas, etc;

    d) random scare story in the Mail about a new EU law forcing everyone to learn Polish.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited 2015 10
    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I've just taken the 5/6 on the LDs to save their deposit in Oldham West.

    If anyone wants to offer me some more, I'd be glad to it.

    Pulpstar?

    Nah, I'm happily on the other side of that with Ladbrokes Thanks :)
    Truly incredible that people on here are backing opposite sides of a two way mkt at 5/6 w LADBROKES rather than at Evens w each other

    I shake my head in despair
    I would have happily taken it with Pulpstar instead :-)

    Come on isam, you want to be other side of the trade with me?

    (I would point out that I lost a bet on the LDs in Cambridge, if that helps :lol:)
    I haven't really thought about the price here... Maybe I will let me think

    But my point is you could have cut out the middle man and both got Evens!

    Now shadsy is on both at 6/5!!!

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,750
    isam said:

    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I've just taken the 5/6 on the LDs to save their deposit in Oldham West.

    If anyone wants to offer me some more, I'd be glad to it.

    Pulpstar?

    Nah, I'm happily on the other side of that with Ladbrokes Thanks :)
    Truly incredible that people on here are backing opposite sides of a two way mkt at 5/6 w LADBROKES rather than at Evens w each other

    I shake my head in despair
    I didn't think anyone here would back overs at 5-6 !

    rcs1000 offer was never up when I bet !

    Thought the line might shift so got on ASAP.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,161
    TOPPING said:

    chestnut said:

    Most of the public do not care about Europe.

    The sum total of their interest is:

    a) Immigration;
    b) Will I have to get my passport stamped and will it affect my holiday?
    c) It's handy them all accepting euros, saves getting lira, pesetas, etc;

    d) random scare story in the Mail about a new EU law forcing everyone to learn Polish.
    How come polish and Polish, and reading and Reading aren't pronounced the same???

    Also, I've just started on the Tiffany Aching series, and they're great.

    (Terry Pratchett, in case anyone doesn't know.)

    Right: back to work.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    I'll put up some mkts on here later for Oldham at better than LADBROKES prices
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,161
    isam said:

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I've just taken the 5/6 on the LDs to save their deposit in Oldham West.

    If anyone wants to offer me some more, I'd be glad to it.

    Pulpstar?

    Nah, I'm happily on the other side of that with Ladbrokes Thanks :)
    Truly incredible that people on here are backing opposite sides of a two way mkt at 5/6 w LADBROKES rather than at Evens w each other

    I shake my head in despair
    I would have happily taken it with Pulpstar instead :-)

    Come on isam, you want to be other side of the trade with me?

    (I would point out that I lost a bet on the LDs in Cambridge, if that helps :lol:)
    I haven't really thought about the price here... Maybe I will let me think

    But my point is you could have cut out the middle man and both got Evens!

    Now shadsy is on both at 6/5!!!

    Shadsy's smarter than I look.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,362
    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Lennon said:

    Where the SNP may have been quite clever is in picking a justification, workers wages, that may well resonate with a number of people south of the border. Whilst the concern is framed as the impact on Scottish workers' wages, it flags an issue for those down south that a Tory Government deregulating on Sunday trading is never going to countenance - a provision bringing in some sort of wage guarantee or an equivalent "non compulsion" provision which has presumably enabled Scots workers to demand a premium for Sunday working.

    So some folk in England might well think "Good on the SNP, protecting workers wages, good old socialists..."

    After campaigning in a marginal in England earlier on this year, I can categorically state English voters view the SNP with suspicion.

    The SNP could offer every English voter a free unicorn, a bar of gold and a night with George Clooney or Emma Stone, and the English voter would still be suspicious of the SNP.
    In fairness, given the adage that if it seems to good to be true it probably is - I would view anyone offering that with immense suspicion!
    Irritatingly George Clooney married a brilliant London-based lawyer. The wrong brilliant London-based lawyer, obviously. The fool. She looks like a man in drag.

    (And now I will sheath my claws and go and do some work.)
    If only you'd spent your Sundays shopping for the right coffee machine...
    As if any self-respecting Italian would have such a thing.......!

    Still, I hope he's happy with someone who looks like a cross between a giraffe and Joan Crawford.

    Arguably, a step up from the pig he used to live with.

    But I don't think you're for being convinced....
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,267
    chestnut said:

    I'm surprised that more shops don't close on especially unproductive weekdays.

    It's the taxi drivers' dilemma (which is widely misunderstood. By taxi drivers).

    Many taxi drivers set themselves an amount they have to earn each day and after they have earned it they go home. So on slow days it takes them longer and on good days they finish earlier.

    Which is of course economically irrational as this means on good days where the per hour income is high they deprive themselves of income, while on bad days where the per hour income is low they force themselves to work more time at a worse effective wage.

    People, eh?
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    d) random scare story in the Mail about a new EU law forcing everyone to learn Polish.

    And I'm not sure people really care about EU immigration that much. Its Asian subcontinent and African immigration that really gets people going.

    Immigration is also a codeword for antipathy to certain communities who largely hold British passports.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    O/T In keeping with the great PB tradition of being the font of all knowledge, does anyone have experience of getting the best exchange rates in receiving electronic payment of US dollars? For example, if a customer of ours pays us $50K today, I think NatWest will convert to sterling at 1.5456, which is about a 2.3% spread from the central rate. How much better can I do?
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    Now that we know what is the most eurosceptic price Cameron wants to recommend staying in, he and Osborne have to live with the consequences of the position their cabinet colleagues take.

    The key issue of concern to the voters is immigration. This 4 year benefit maybe/maybe not, does not look a strong enough move to persuade voters that their concerns on immigration will be addressed.

    So will Mrs May jump or when will she jump?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    rcs1000 said:

    TOPPING said:

    chestnut said:

    Most of the public do not care about Europe.

    The sum total of their interest is:

    a) Immigration;
    b) Will I have to get my passport stamped and will it affect my holiday?
    c) It's handy them all accepting euros, saves getting lira, pesetas, etc;

    d) random scare story in the Mail about a new EU law forcing everyone to learn Polish.
    How come polish and Polish, and reading and Reading aren't pronounced the same???

    Also, I've just started on the Tiffany Aching series, and they're great.

    (Terry Pratchett, in case anyone doesn't know.)

    Right: back to work.
    You might add slough and Slough. Though that could lead to a long argument.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I've just taken the 5/6 on the LDs to save their deposit in Oldham West.

    If anyone wants to offer me some more, I'd be glad to it.

    Pulpstar?

    Nah, I'm happily on the other side of that with Ladbrokes Thanks :)
    Truly incredible that people on here are backing opposite sides of a two way mkt at 5/6 w LADBROKES rather than at Evens w each other

    I shake my head in despair
    I would have happily taken it with Pulpstar instead :-)

    Come on isam, you want to be other side of the trade with me?

    (I would point out that I lost a bet on the LDs in Cambridge, if that helps :lol:)
    Indeed, don't you have substantial form in overestimating the Lib Dems? I seem to remember you backing 11-20 seats quite heavily...
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,750
    edited 2015 10
    @RichardNabavi All my peer 2 peer chums on another forum reckon https://transferwise.com/ is the best way to go.

    https://transferwise.com/ $50,000 yields £32815.38 right now Rich.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,267

    O/T In keeping with the great PB tradition of being the font of all knowledge, does anyone have experience of getting the best exchange rates in receiving electronic payment of US dollars? For example, if a customer of ours pays us $50K today, I think NatWest will convert to sterling at 1.5456, which is about a 2.3% spread from the central rate. How much better can I do?

    There are a lot of peer-to-peer FX exchanges now based around spot plus an offset/minor comm (can't think of any off the top of my head but Gary Google will help).

    Not sure about the max amounts, though.

    (current spot 1.5128)
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Pulpstar said:

    @RichardNabavi All my peer 2 peer chums on another forum reckon https://transferwise.com/ is the best way to go.

    https://transferwise.com/ $50,000 yields £32815.38 right now Rich.

    I've been using transferwise for sending money to Hungary recently and I also have the zeal of the convert about it.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,548

    O/T In keeping with the great PB tradition of being the font of all knowledge, does anyone have experience of getting the best exchange rates in receiving electronic payment of US dollars? For example, if a customer of ours pays us $50K today, I think NatWest will convert to sterling at 1.5456, which is about a 2.3% spread from the central rate. How much better can I do?

    Try World First. Efficient and regulated by the FCA.

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,750
    antifrank said:

    Pulpstar said:

    @RichardNabavi All my peer 2 peer chums on another forum reckon https://transferwise.com/ is the best way to go.

    https://transferwise.com/ $50,000 yields £32815.38 right now Rich.

    I've been using transferwise for sending money to Hungary recently and I also have the zeal of the convert about it.
    I've never actually used it :) But it looks the best option.

    Incidentally does anyone know how to get the € rate back to 1.2 for this contract my company is selling for €16 Mill ?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,062
    FPT Casino

    "There should be no presumption of settlement in the UK for any UK national marrying whoever they choose worldwide. They should qualify on their own merits"

    I'm all for getting rid of the likes of Nigel Farage and Sir Philip Green but that's a bit harsh don't you think?
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited 2015 10
    Pulpstar said:

    @RichardNabavi All my peer 2 peer chums on another forum reckon https://transferwise.com/ is the best way to go.

    https://transferwise.com/ $50,000 yields £32815.38 right now Rich.

    The trouble is that they are set up mainly for sending money. Our situation is that we need to be able to set up a 100% foolproof method for large US corporations to send us money, so it must be a straightforward bank transfer. Oh, and it has to be 100% safe - this is quite large amounts of dosh which I have a fiduciary duty to manage responsibly.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I've just taken the 5/6 on the LDs to save their deposit in Oldham West.

    If anyone wants to offer me some more, I'd be glad to it.

    Pulpstar?

    Nah, I'm happily on the other side of that with Ladbrokes Thanks :)
    Truly incredible that people on here are backing opposite sides of a two way mkt at 5/6 w LADBROKES rather than at Evens w each other

    I shake my head in despair
    I would have happily taken it with Pulpstar instead :-)

    Come on isam, you want to be other side of the trade with me?

    (I would point out that I lost a bet on the LDs in Cambridge, if that helps :lol:)
    I haven't really thought about the price here... Maybe I will let me think

    But my point is you could have cut out the middle man and both got Evens!

    Now shadsy is on both at 6/5!!!

    Shadsy's smarter than I look.
    How much at evs?
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''There should be no presumption of settlement in the UK for any UK national marrying whoever they choose worldwide. They should qualify on their own merit''

    Often these are non-EU citizens anyway.
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903

    Now that we know what is the most eurosceptic price Cameron wants to recommend staying in, he and Osborne have to live with the consequences of the position their cabinet colleagues take.

    The key issue of concern to the voters is immigration. This 4 year benefit maybe/maybe not, does not look a strong enough move to persuade voters that their concerns on immigration will be addressed.

    So will Mrs May jump or when will she jump?

    Correct and the interest in this is switching to the refugee/ economic migrants issue with Syria. But this is a complicated matter with some people now wanting us to do more after seeing bodies floating in the sea.
    If we are interested in free trade with the EU then we will need to be part of the single market. It seems a pretty cavalier attitude to me for anyone to promote policies which would undermine our position as a leading recient of EU inward investment.
    The single market involves free movement. That will still be the same if we are not in the EU. There are limits to what is practical in the short term about EU immigration. And many UK citizens live and work in other EU countries.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,750

    Pulpstar said:

    @RichardNabavi All my peer 2 peer chums on another forum reckon https://transferwise.com/ is the best way to go.

    https://transferwise.com/ $50,000 yields £32815.38 right now Rich.

    The trouble is that they are set up mainly for sending money. Our situation is that we need to be able to set up a 100% foolproof method for large US corporations to send money, so it must be a straightforward bank transfer. Oh, and it has to be 100% safe - this is quite large amounts of dosh which I have a fiduciary duty to manage responsibly.
    Set up a USD business account, and just hold $ - if you need £ for working capital then use transferwise yourself ?
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    Pulpstar said:

    @RichardNabavi All my peer 2 peer chums on another forum reckon https://transferwise.com/ is the best way to go.

    https://transferwise.com/ $50,000 yields £32815.38 right now Rich.

    The trouble is that they are set up mainly for sending money. Our situation is that we need to be able to set up a 100% foolproof method for large US corporations to send us money, so it must be a straightforward bank transfer. Oh, and it has to be 100% safe - this is quite large amounts of dosh which I have a fiduciary duty to manage responsibly.
    Does it have to be transferred into pounds today, and is there a chance you may need to send $$$ back the other way? If so you might be better off with a dollar account, though I wouldn't know who to recommend.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,161
    isam said:

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I've just taken the 5/6 on the LDs to save their deposit in Oldham West.

    If anyone wants to offer me some more, I'd be glad to it.

    Pulpstar?

    Nah, I'm happily on the other side of that with Ladbrokes Thanks :)
    Truly incredible that people on here are backing opposite sides of a two way mkt at 5/6 w LADBROKES rather than at Evens w each other

    I shake my head in despair
    I would have happily taken it with Pulpstar instead :-)

    Come on isam, you want to be other side of the trade with me?

    (I would point out that I lost a bet on the LDs in Cambridge, if that helps :lol:)
    I haven't really thought about the price here... Maybe I will let me think

    But my point is you could have cut out the middle man and both got Evens!

    Now shadsy is on both at 6/5!!!

    Shadsy's smarter than I look.
    How much at evs?
    £500?
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822

    Does it have to be transferred into pounds today, and is there a chance you may need to send $$$ back the other way? If so you might be better off with a dollar account, though I wouldn't know who to recommend.

    It's a one-way flow US$ (or sometimes Euros) to £. We could use a dollar account, although there's no particular reason to keep the money in dollars, as we have no dollar expenses.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,161

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I've just taken the 5/6 on the LDs to save their deposit in Oldham West.

    If anyone wants to offer me some more, I'd be glad to it.

    Pulpstar?

    Nah, I'm happily on the other side of that with Ladbrokes Thanks :)
    Truly incredible that people on here are backing opposite sides of a two way mkt at 5/6 w LADBROKES rather than at Evens w each other

    I shake my head in despair
    I would have happily taken it with Pulpstar instead :-)

    Come on isam, you want to be other side of the trade with me?

    (I would point out that I lost a bet on the LDs in Cambridge, if that helps :lol:)
    Indeed, don't you have substantial form in overestimating the Lib Dems? I seem to remember you backing 11-20 seats quite heavily...
    Don't forget my loss in Cambridge.
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    edited 2015 10

    Pulpstar said:

    @RichardNabavi All my peer 2 peer chums on another forum reckon https://transferwise.com/ is the best way to go.

    https://transferwise.com/ $50,000 yields £32815.38 right now Rich.

    The trouble is that they are set up mainly for sending money. Our situation is that we need to be able to set up a 100% foolproof method for large US corporations to send us money, so it must be a straightforward bank transfer. Oh, and it has to be 100% safe - this is quite large amounts of dosh which I have a fiduciary duty to manage responsibly.
    You have a dollar account in UK?

    I see you answered that below. It gives you greater options and flexibility for exchanging the currency to £ Sterling.

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,750
    Barclays do $ accounts quite happily.

    Any of the other big 4 will - of course there will be no interest and charges on them but the saving over getting the bank's derisory rate in conversion (You can tfer with a better company to £/$) is worth it I think.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,750
    @rcs1000 Go on then, I'll have £20 of that.
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    While on currencies, which way will the Euro go? It is so worthless now. Any opinions?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,161
    Pulpstar said:

    @rcs1000 Go on then, I'll have £20 of that.

    Done. I'll email you.
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    Mortimer said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I don't often say this, but poor show by the SNP on their proposed Sunday trading stance.

    The hunting bill opposition can be understood on one level but this is totally outside any justification with Scottish laws as they are !

    The issue here is that if Cameron can't command the support of his own MPs then tough shit.

    It is really unattractive politicking Mike. Almost as vindictive as Nick Clegg reneging on the boundaries in the last parliament.
    I agree . How can the SNP justify opposing laws for England than are already in existence in Scotland.
    Mr Smithson is clearly upset that the LDs only have 8 MPs to whip, 7 if you discount Nick Clegg.
  • blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    taffys said:

    d) random scare story in the Mail about a new EU law forcing everyone to learn Polish.

    And I'm not sure people really care about EU immigration that much. Its Asian subcontinent and African immigration that really gets people going.

    Immigration is also a codeword for antipathy to certain communities who largely hold British passports.

    Its the Roma that most people resent in my experience. I know some Romanians that disown them.

  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    TOPPING said:

    chestnut said:

    I'm surprised that more shops don't close on especially unproductive weekdays.

    It's the taxi drivers' dilemma (which is widely misunderstood. By taxi drivers).

    Many taxi drivers set themselves an amount they have to earn each day and after they have earned it they go home. So on slow days it takes them longer and on good days they finish earlier.

    Which is of course economically irrational as this means on good days where the per hour income is high they deprive themselves of income, while on bad days where the per hour income is low they force themselves to work more time at a worse effective wage.

    People, eh?
    OK, but aside from days that are good/bad for specific reasons, then does your taxi driver's dilemma not run into the gambler's fallacy. If the first n hours of driving have been good earners that is no guarantee that the next hour or hours will be equally as good, any more than the fact the if the roulette wheel has turned up red for the past n spins mean the next n spins are going to be the same, or indeed different.

    In the absence of specific external factors the cab driver working on the cash in his pocket has probably got it right.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,451

    Personally I'd allow one Sunday a month to have extended trading hours, with a special allowance for December

    I like that a lot TSE. Great idea.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,624
    edited 2015 10
    https://audioboom.com/boos/3796474-anonymous-masks-being-sold-for-tidy-profit

    I have just spat out my coffee listening to Bob Mills tell the tale.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    TOPPING said:

    chestnut said:

    I'm surprised that more shops don't close on especially unproductive weekdays.

    It's the taxi drivers' dilemma (which is widely misunderstood. By taxi drivers).

    Many taxi drivers set themselves an amount they have to earn each day and after they have earned it they go home. So on slow days it takes them longer and on good days they finish earlier.

    Which is of course economically irrational as this means on good days where the per hour income is high they deprive themselves of income, while on bad days where the per hour income is low they force themselves to work more time at a worse effective wage.

    People, eh?
    OK, but aside from days that are good/bad for specific reasons, then does your taxi driver's dilemma not run into the gambler's fallacy. If the first n hours of driving have been good earners that is no guarantee that the next hour or hours will be equally as good, any more than the fact the if the roulette wheel has turned up red for the past n spins mean the next n spins are going to be the same, or indeed different.

    In the absence of specific external factors the cab driver working on the cash in his pocket has probably got it right.
    Isnt this debate discussed in Freakonomics.. why are there never any taxis when its raining? Because the drivers have already made their daily max and go home
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,161
    philiph said:

    While on currencies, which way will the Euro go? It is so worthless now. Any opinions?

    Who knows?

    Bull case: the Eurozone runs large current account and trade surpluses. Government debt-to-GDP has peaked in most countries. The cost of importing oil and gas is declining. Economic growth is picking up across the continent. Energy exporters need to sell US Dollars to pay bills.

    Bear case: the Eurozone is entering a QE cycle, just as the Fed tightens, which should weigh on the Euro. There is political risk in Spain, Germany and other countries which could threaten the whole existence of the Euro. If the world lurches into recession, the Eurozone is ill equipped to deal with it.

    Take your pick.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I've just taken the 5/6 on the LDs to save their deposit in Oldham West.

    If anyone wants to offer me some more, I'd be glad to it.

    Pulpstar?

    Nah, I'm happily on the other side of that with Ladbrokes Thanks :)
    Truly incredible that people on here are backing opposite sides of a two way mkt at 5/6 w LADBROKES rather than at Evens w each other

    I shake my head in despair
    I would have happily taken it with Pulpstar instead :-)

    Come on isam, you want to be other side of the trade with me?

    (I would point out that I lost a bet on the LDs in Cambridge, if that helps :lol:)
    I haven't really thought about the price here... Maybe I will let me think

    But my point is you could have cut out the middle man and both got Evens!

    Now shadsy is on both at 6/5!!!

    Shadsy's smarter than I look.
    How much at evs?
    £500?
    Much as bravado tempts me, I don't know that I disagree with you actually...so I swerve

    They got 19% in 2010, lost 16% buy being in Coalition w the Tories, but I can easily see them gaining a couple of % in a by election under a new leader
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,161
    edited 2015 10
    isam said:

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I've just taken the 5/6 on the LDs to save their deposit in Oldham West.

    If anyone wants to offer me some more, I'd be glad to it.

    Pulpstar?

    Nah, I'm happily on the other side of that with Ladbrokes Thanks :)
    Truly incredible that people on here are backing opposite sides of a two way mkt at 5/6 w LADBROKES rather than at Evens w each other

    I shake my head in despair
    I would have happily taken it with Pulpstar instead :-)

    Come on isam, you want to be other side of the trade with me?

    (I would point out that I lost a bet on the LDs in Cambridge, if that helps :lol:)
    I haven't really thought about the price here... Maybe I will let me think

    But my point is you could have cut out the middle man and both got Evens!

    Now shadsy is on both at 6/5!!!

    Shadsy's smarter than I look.
    How much at evs?
    £500?
    Much as bravado tempts me, I don't know that I disagree with you actually...so I swerve

    They got 19% in 2010, lost 16% buy being in Coalition w the Tories, but I can easily see them gaining a couple of % in a by election under a new leader
    It'll also be a very low turnout by-election. I reckon turnout will be down 40-50%. And if the LDs get out 75-80% of their vote in that environment, without picking up a single new voter, then they'll keep their deposit.
  • LennonLennon Posts: 1,785

    TOPPING said:

    chestnut said:

    I'm surprised that more shops don't close on especially unproductive weekdays.

    It's the taxi drivers' dilemma (which is widely misunderstood. By taxi drivers).

    Many taxi drivers set themselves an amount they have to earn each day and after they have earned it they go home. So on slow days it takes them longer and on good days they finish earlier.

    Which is of course economically irrational as this means on good days where the per hour income is high they deprive themselves of income, while on bad days where the per hour income is low they force themselves to work more time at a worse effective wage.

    People, eh?
    OK, but aside from days that are good/bad for specific reasons, then does your taxi driver's dilemma not run into the gambler's fallacy. If the first n hours of driving have been good earners that is no guarantee that the next hour or hours will be equally as good, any more than the fact the if the roulette wheel has turned up red for the past n spins mean the next n spins are going to be the same, or indeed different.

    In the absence of specific external factors the cab driver working on the cash in his pocket has probably got it right.
    I would disagree, as in general the things which determine demand for cabs will not be independent of each other. They will all be externalities which might change over the day or location, but are not likely to be totally independent. (Basically, weather, other alternatives (ie tube) working or not working, specific events (cricket match), number of other cabbies on the road)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,052
    It's funny what can engage the politically unengaged sometimes - A relative of mine is furious at the actions of the SNP today, even though they don't want things to open on Sundays. I didn't even mention it to them. How peculiar.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,245
    Cyclefree said:

    I can't understand the fuss about Sunday trading, TBH, and don't much care.

    I'm amazed at how much shopping people are doing all the time. Where can they possibly put it all? What do they want it for? Look at the numbers of people in clothes shops, for instance. And yet when you walk the streets so many people are so appallingly dressed looking as if (a) they haven't bought new clothes in years; and/or (b) as if they got dressed in the dark or, in some cases, as if they fell into their wardrobes with glue on their bodies.

    They could do with mirrors, in some cases, rear view ones.

    On the other hand, some of us would prefer to be comfortable. I tried following fashion for a fortnight when I was 18, and had a gf who was very much into fashion.

    I soon realised how much she and her friends were getting fleeced for by trying to follow fashion (e.g. jackets by a Japenese designer whose name I cannot remember, fakes of which were available on Camden Market, which cost much less and didn't disintegrate after a few weeks).

    Since then, I've much preferred comfort over style. Why does anyone want to do the same as everyone else anyway, especially when it costs them such a great amount of money? Worse are the football shirts: people spending a fortune to advertise a business and also look the same as so many others.

    Although I'll admit that a tailored jacket can be extremely comfortable, but also very expensive. At the moment I'm wearing Craghooppers trousers, a Helly Hansen base layer and a thin pair of base layer socks. Would you bet you're more comfortable than me?
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331

    https://audioboom.com/boos/3796474-anonymous-masks-being-sold-for-tidy-profit

    I have just spat out my coffee listening to Bob Mills tell the tale.

    As the great Joe Strummer had it 'They think it's funny turning rebellion into money'.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited 2015 10
    How about a UKIP vs Tory match bet in this Oldham by election

    1/6 UKIP
    7/2 Tories

    Prices reviewed after each bet struck!
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,958
    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I've just taken the 5/6 on the LDs to save their deposit in Oldham West.

    If anyone wants to offer me some more, I'd be glad to it.

    Pulpstar?

    Nah, I'm happily on the other side of that with Ladbrokes Thanks :)
    Truly incredible that people on here are backing opposite sides of a two way mkt at 5/6 w LADBROKES rather than at Evens w each other

    I shake my head in despair
    I would have happily taken it with Pulpstar instead :-)

    Come on isam, you want to be other side of the trade with me?

    (I would point out that I lost a bet on the LDs in Cambridge, if that helps :lol:)
    I haven't really thought about the price here... Maybe I will let me think

    But my point is you could have cut out the middle man and both got Evens!

    Now shadsy is on both at 6/5!!!

    Shadsy's smarter than I look.
    How much at evs?
    £500?
    Much as bravado tempts me, I don't know that I disagree with you actually...so I swerve

    They got 19% in 2010, lost 16% buy being in Coalition w the Tories, but I can easily see them gaining a couple of % in a by election under a new leader
    It'll also be a very low turnout by-election. I reckon turnout will be down 40-50%. And if the LDs get out 75-80% of their vote in that environment, without picking up a single new voter, then they'll keep their deposit.
    It'll depend on whether anyone (UKIP?) looks like challenging Labour. If that happens other parties get squeezed dramatically in by-elections.
    Here's my favourite - Labour, with Mandelson as the agent I believe, on 2% in a Westminster by-election.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newbury_by-election,_1993
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,451

    A very unimpressed Daniel Hannan - who's fisked the renegotiation demands - and unsurprisingly recommends we vote to Leave:

    http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/2015/11/david-cameron-will-secure-all-of-his-eu-reforms-because-they-will-alter-nothing/

    I think he's spot on.

    Hand on heart, did you really expect Dan Hannan to recommend we stay ?

    A very unimpressed Daniel Hannan - who's fisked the renegotiation demands - and unsurprisingly recommends we vote to Leave:

    http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/2015/11/david-cameron-will-secure-all-of-his-eu-reforms-because-they-will-alter-nothing/

    I think he's spot on.

    Hand on heart, did you really expect Dan Hannan to recommend we stay ?
    Of course not, but he's now doing it having fully reviewed the substance of what's being asked for.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    Lennon said:

    TOPPING said:

    chestnut said:

    I'm surprised that more shops don't close on especially unproductive weekdays.

    It's the taxi drivers' dilemma (which is widely misunderstood. By taxi drivers).

    Many taxi drivers set themselves an amount they have to earn each day and after they have earned it they go home. So on slow days it takes them longer and on good days they finish earlier.

    Which is of course economically irrational as this means on good days where the per hour income is high they deprive themselves of income, while on bad days where the per hour income is low they force themselves to work more time at a worse effective wage.

    People, eh?
    OK, but aside from days that are good/bad for specific reasons, then does your taxi driver's dilemma not run into the gambler's fallacy. If the first n hours of driving have been good earners that is no guarantee that the next hour or hours will be equally as good, any more than the fact the if the roulette wheel has turned up red for the past n spins mean the next n spins are going to be the same, or indeed different.

    In the absence of specific external factors the cab driver working on the cash in his pocket has probably got it right.
    I would disagree, as in general the things which determine demand for cabs will not be independent of each other. They will all be externalities which might change over the day or location, but are not likely to be totally independent. (Basically, weather, other alternatives (ie tube) working or not working, specific events (cricket match), number of other cabbies on the road)
    Mr. Lennon, that is why I said in the absence of specific factors (e.g. tube strikes, cricket matches and so forth), eliminate those and what you have from the can drivers, point of view, is random chances. The fare that flags you down may only want to go from Trafalgar Square to the Savoy but gives a whacking tip, or might be someone who wants to go to Heathrow, or some tight git who wants to go South of the River or anyone of a million variations on the same themes (distance, tip chance of a return fare).

    The fact that a cab driver may come up with three good fares on the trot is no guarantee that the next three will be the same, or indeed better or worse.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,267
    edited 2015 10

    TOPPING said:

    chestnut said:

    I'm surprised that more shops don't close on especially unproductive weekdays.

    It's the taxi drivers' dilemma (which is widely misunderstood. By taxi drivers).

    Many taxi drivers set themselves an amount they have to earn each day and after they have earned it they go home. So on slow days it takes them longer and on good days they finish earlier.

    Which is of course economically irrational as this means on good days where the per hour income is high they deprive themselves of income, while on bad days where the per hour income is low they force themselves to work more time at a worse effective wage.

    People, eh?
    OK, but aside from days that are good/bad for specific reasons, then does your taxi driver's dilemma not run into the gambler's fallacy. If the first n hours of driving have been good earners that is no guarantee that the next hour or hours will be equally as good, any more than the fact the if the roulette wheel has turned up red for the past n spins mean the next n spins are going to be the same, or indeed different.

    In the absence of specific external factors the cab driver working on the cash in his pocket has probably got it right.
    There is no absence of external factors, that is how a taxi driver makes his money. IANE on taxi-demand indicators but I guess some days are busy and some days are quiet so the process is not quite memoryless. (Edit: and intraday from fare to fare is not memoryless either.)

    So if the per hour rate is high, and he can assess that because his taxi is full often, then he can continue. If he finds himself driving around with an empty taxi, then...
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I've just taken the 5/6 on the LDs to save their deposit in Oldham West.

    If anyone wants to offer me some more, I'd be glad to it.

    Pulpstar?

    Nah, I'm happily on the other side of that with Ladbrokes Thanks :)
    Truly incredible that people on here are backing opposite sides of a two way mkt at 5/6 w LADBROKES rather than at Evens w each other

    I shake my head in despair
    I would have happily taken it with Pulpstar instead :-)

    Come on isam, you want to be other side of the trade with me?

    (I would point out that I lost a bet on the LDs in Cambridge, if that helps :lol:)
    I haven't really thought about the price here... Maybe I will let me think

    But my point is you could have cut out the middle man and both got Evens!

    Now shadsy is on both at 6/5!!!

    Shadsy's smarter than I look.
    How much at evs?
    £500?
    Much as bravado tempts me, I don't know that I disagree with you actually...so I swerve

    They got 19% in 2010, lost 16% buy being in Coalition w the Tories, but I can easily see them gaining a couple of % in a by election under a new leader
    It'll also be a very low turnout by-election. I reckon turnout will be down 40-50%. And if the LDs get out 75-80% of their vote in that environment, without picking up a single new voter, then they'll keep their deposit.
    It'll depend on whether anyone (UKIP?) looks like challenging Labour. If that happens other parties get squeezed dramatically in by-elections.
    Here's my favourite - Labour, with Mandelson as the agent I believe, on 2% in a Westminster by-election.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newbury_by-election,_1993
    You still think UKIP will poll under 10%?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,245

    taffys said:

    d) random scare story in the Mail about a new EU law forcing everyone to learn Polish.

    And I'm not sure people really care about EU immigration that much. Its Asian subcontinent and African immigration that really gets people going.

    Immigration is also a codeword for antipathy to certain communities who largely hold British passports.

    Its the Roma that most people resent in my experience. I know some Romanians that disown them.

    Ditto here.

    Which is a shame given the way the Roma have been treated over the centuries.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,451

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I've just taken the 5/6 on the LDs to save their deposit in Oldham West.

    If anyone wants to offer me some more, I'd be glad to it.

    Pulpstar?

    Nah, I'm happily on the other side of that with Ladbrokes Thanks :)
    Truly incredible that people on here are backing opposite sides of a two way mkt at 5/6 w LADBROKES rather than at Evens w each other

    I shake my head in despair
    I would have happily taken it with Pulpstar instead :-)

    Come on isam, you want to be other side of the trade with me?

    (I would point out that I lost a bet on the LDs in Cambridge, if that helps :lol:)
    Indeed, don't you have substantial form in overestimating the Lib Dems? I seem to remember you backing 11-20 seats quite heavily...
    I made a handsome sum in May on Robert's tip of Skybet at 16/1 on LD seats in the 0-10 band.
  • LennonLennon Posts: 1,785

    Lennon said:

    TOPPING said:

    chestnut said:

    I'm surprised that more shops don't close on especially unproductive weekdays.

    It's the taxi drivers' dilemma (which is widely misunderstood. By taxi drivers).

    Many taxi drivers set themselves an amount they have to earn each day and after they have earned it they go home. So on slow days it takes them longer and on good days they finish earlier.

    Which is of course economically irrational as this means on good days where the per hour income is high they deprive themselves of income, while on bad days where the per hour income is low they force themselves to work more time at a worse effective wage.

    People, eh?
    OK, but aside from days that are good/bad for specific reasons, then does your taxi driver's dilemma not run into the gambler's fallacy. If the first n hours of driving have been good earners that is no guarantee that the next hour or hours will be equally as good, any more than the fact the if the roulette wheel has turned up red for the past n spins mean the next n spins are going to be the same, or indeed different.

    In the absence of specific external factors the cab driver working on the cash in his pocket has probably got it right.
    I would disagree, as in general the things which determine demand for cabs will not be independent of each other. They will all be externalities which might change over the day or location, but are not likely to be totally independent. (Basically, weather, other alternatives (ie tube) working or not working, specific events (cricket match), number of other cabbies on the road)
    Mr. Lennon, that is why I said in the absence of specific factors (e.g. tube strikes, cricket matches and so forth), eliminate those and what you have from the can drivers, point of view, is random chances. The fare that flags you down may only want to go from Trafalgar Square to the Savoy but gives a whacking tip, or might be someone who wants to go to Heathrow, or some tight git who wants to go South of the River or anyone of a million variations on the same themes (distance, tip chance of a return fare).

    The fact that a cab driver may come up with three good fares on the trot is no guarantee that the next three will be the same, or indeed better or worse.
    I see what you mean, my point was that external factors will be a much larger driving force for earning potential than random locations or good tippers / bad tippers. It is not a question of 'is the next fare a good or a bad one' but 'will the next fare be around the corner, or in 30mins time'
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    On topic, I find myself in two minds on Sunday trading.

    On the one hand it's annoying that shops are rarely open for more than a few hours on Sunday. On the other hand it's a totally different day - a relaxed family day - and I'd hate to see it become a second Saturday.

    Quite agree; as one who for many years worked Saturdays because that was the custom and practice, I find it irritating that people who have Saturday off complainimng about limited time to shop!
    Anyway, why aren’t banks, building socieries, insurance companies etc open on Sundays?
    And public services such as Local Authority and Government offices. I don’t thaink that I can phone the Inland Revenue and get an answer at a weekend can I?
    My local Barclays Bank branch in Manchester is open on Sundays
    I can always get hold of one of the partners at my bank.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,451

    Cyclefree said:

    I can't understand the fuss about Sunday trading, TBH, and don't much care.

    I'm amazed at how much shopping people are doing all the time. Where can they possibly put it all? What do they want it for? Look at the numbers of people in clothes shops, for instance. And yet when you walk the streets so many people are so appallingly dressed looking as if (a) they haven't bought new clothes in years; and/or (b) as if they got dressed in the dark or, in some cases, as if they fell into their wardrobes with glue on their bodies.

    They could do with mirrors, in some cases, rear view ones.

    On the other hand, some of us would prefer to be comfortable. I tried following fashion for a fortnight when I was 18, and had a gf who was very much into fashion.

    I soon realised how much she and her friends were getting fleeced for by trying to follow fashion (e.g. jackets by a Japenese designer whose name I cannot remember, fakes of which were available on Camden Market, which cost much less and didn't disintegrate after a few weeks).

    Since then, I've much preferred comfort over style. Why does anyone want to do the same as everyone else anyway, especially when it costs them such a great amount of money? Worse are the football shirts: people spending a fortune to advertise a business and also look the same as so many others.

    Although I'll admit that a tailored jacket can be extremely comfortable, but also very expensive. At the moment I'm wearing Craghooppers trousers, a Helly Hansen base layer and a thin pair of base layer socks. Would you bet you're more comfortable than me?
    I prefer to be well-dressed rather than fashionably-dressed.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    We have a winner.
    Charles said:

    On topic, I find myself in two minds on Sunday trading.

    On the one hand it's annoying that shops are rarely open for more than a few hours on Sunday. On the other hand it's a totally different day - a relaxed family day - and I'd hate to see it become a second Saturday.

    Quite agree; as one who for many years worked Saturdays because that was the custom and practice, I find it irritating that people who have Saturday off complainimng about limited time to shop!
    Anyway, why aren’t banks, building socieries, insurance companies etc open on Sundays?
    And public services such as Local Authority and Government offices. I don’t thaink that I can phone the Inland Revenue and get an answer at a weekend can I?
    My local Barclays Bank branch in Manchester is open on Sundays
    I can always get hold of one of the partners at my bank.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Lennon said:

    Lennon said:

    TOPPING said:

    chestnut said:

    I'm surprised that more shops don't close on especially unproductive weekdays.

    It's the taxi drivers' dilemma (which is widely misunderstood. By taxi drivers).

    Many taxi drivers set themselves an amount they have to earn each day and after they have earned it they go home. So on slow days it takes them longer and on good days they finish earlier.

    Which is of course economically irrational as this means on good days where the per hour income is high they deprive themselves of income, while on bad days where the per hour income is low they force themselves to work more time at a worse effective wage.

    People, eh?
    OK, but aside from days that are good/bad for specific reasons, then does your taxi driver's dilemma not run into the gambler's fallacy. If the first n hours of driving have been good earners that is no guarantee that the next hour or hours will be equally as good, any more than the fact the if the roulette wheel has turned up red for the past n spins mean the next n spins are going to be the same, or indeed different.

    In the absence of specific external factors the cab driver working on the cash in his pocket has probably got it right.
    I would disagree, as in general the things which determine demand for cabs will not be independent of each other. They will all be externalities which might change over the day or location, but are not likely to be totally independent. (Basically, weather, other alternatives (ie tube) working or not working, specific events (cricket match), number of other cabbies on the road)
    Mr. Lennon, that is why I said in the absence of specific factors (e.g. tube strikes, cricket matches and so forth), eliminate those and what you have from the can drivers, point of view, is random chances. The fare that flags you down may only want to go from Trafalgar Square to the Savoy but gives a whacking tip, or might be someone who wants to go to Heathrow, or some tight git who wants to go South of the River or anyone of a million variations on the same themes (distance, tip chance of a return fare).

    The fact that a cab driver may come up with three good fares on the trot is no guarantee that the next three will be the same, or indeed better or worse.
    I see what you mean, my point was that external factors will be a much larger driving force for earning potential than random locations or good tippers / bad tippers. It is not a question of 'is the next fare a good or a bad one' but 'will the next fare be around the corner, or in 30mins time'
    http://walkereconomics.blogspot.co.uk/2007/04/irrational-taxi-drivers.html
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,052

    Cyclefree said:

    I can't understand the fuss about Sunday trading, TBH, and don't much care.

    I'm amazed at how much shopping people are doing all the time. Where can they possibly put it all? What do they want it for? Look at the numbers of people in clothes shops, for instance. And yet when you walk the streets so many people are so appallingly dressed looking as if (a) they haven't bought new clothes in years; and/or (b) as if they got dressed in the dark or, in some cases, as if they fell into their wardrobes with glue on their bodies.

    They could do with mirrors, in some cases, rear view ones.

    On the other hand, some of us would prefer to be comfortable. I tried following fashion for a fortnight when I was 18, and had a gf who was very much into fashion.

    I soon realised how much she and her friends were getting fleeced for by trying to follow fashion (e.g. jackets by a Japenese designer whose name I cannot remember, fakes of which were available on Camden Market, which cost much less and didn't disintegrate after a few weeks).

    Since then, I've much preferred comfort over style. Why does anyone want to do the same as everyone else anyway, especially when it costs them such a great amount of money? Worse are the football shirts: people spending a fortune to advertise a business and also look the same as so many others.

    Although I'll admit that a tailored jacket can be extremely comfortable, but also very expensive. At the moment I'm wearing Craghooppers trousers, a Helly Hansen base layer and a thin pair of base layer socks. Would you bet you're more comfortable than me?
    I prefer to be well-dressed rather than fashionably-dressed.
    If it weren't for work suits, I think I spend less than £100 on clothes a year, easily. A lot less, probably, unless it's a year I need new shoes. I may be too far in the opposite direction from clothes obsessed.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,740
    Charles said:

    On topic, I find myself in two minds on Sunday trading.

    On the one hand it's annoying that shops are rarely open for more than a few hours on Sunday. On the other hand it's a totally different day - a relaxed family day - and I'd hate to see it become a second Saturday.

    Quite agree; as one who for many years worked Saturdays because that was the custom and practice, I find it irritating that people who have Saturday off complainimng about limited time to shop!
    Anyway, why aren’t banks, building socieries, insurance companies etc open on Sundays?
    And public services such as Local Authority and Government offices. I don’t thaink that I can phone the Inland Revenue and get an answer at a weekend can I?
    My local Barclays Bank branch in Manchester is open on Sundays
    I can always get hold of one of the partners at my bank.
    Charles wins today's oneupmanship challenge.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,267
    edited 2015 10
    @JosiasJessop

    What's Craig doing for trousers while you are wearing his?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    taffys said:

    d) random scare story in the Mail about a new EU law forcing everyone to learn Polish.

    And I'm not sure people really care about EU immigration that much. Its Asian subcontinent and African immigration that really gets people going.

    Immigration is also a codeword for antipathy to certain communities who largely hold British passports.

    Its the Roma that most people resent in my experience. I know some Romanians that disown them.

    Ditto here.

    Which is a shame given the way the Roma have been treated over the centuries.
    Just been at my parents and read my Dads Viz.. the Evil Jeremy Corbyn.. v funny!
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Pulpstar said:

    @RichardNabavi All my peer 2 peer chums on another forum reckon https://transferwise.com/ is the best way to go.

    https://transferwise.com/ $50,000 yields £32815.38 right now Rich.

    The trouble is that they are set up mainly for sending money. Our situation is that we need to be able to set up a 100% foolproof method for large US corporations to send us money, so it must be a straightforward bank transfer. Oh, and it has to be 100% safe - this is quite large amounts of dosh which I have a fiduciary duty to manage responsibly.
    Set up a USD bank account at your own bank and then handle the FX part yourself?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited 2015 10
    How about a Labour Oldham Hcap Mkt

    Lab (-16) 5/6
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,451
    kle4 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    I can't understand the fuss about Sunday trading, TBH, and don't much care.

    I'm amazed at how much shopping people are doing all the time. Where can they possibly put it all? What do they want it for? Look at the numbers of people in clothes shops, for instance. And yet when you walk the streets so many people are so appallingly dressed looking as if (a) they haven't bought new clothes in years; and/or (b) as if they got dressed in the dark or, in some cases, as if they fell into their wardrobes with glue on their bodies.

    They could do with mirrors, in some cases, rear view ones.

    On the other hand, some of us would prefer to be comfortable. I tried following fashion for a fortnight when I was 18, and had a gf who was very much into fashion.

    I soon realised how much she and her friends were getting fleeced for by trying to follow fashion (e.g. jackets by a Japenese designer whose name I cannot remember, fakes of which were available on Camden Market, which cost much less and didn't disintegrate after a few weeks).

    Since then, I've much preferred comfort over style. Why does anyone want to do the same as everyone else anyway, especially when it costs them such a great amount of money? Worse are the football shirts: people spending a fortune to advertise a business and also look the same as so many others.

    Although I'll admit that a tailored jacket can be extremely comfortable, but also very expensive. At the moment I'm wearing Craghooppers trousers, a Helly Hansen base layer and a thin pair of base layer socks. Would you bet you're more comfortable than me?
    I prefer to be well-dressed rather than fashionably-dressed.
    If it weren't for work suits, I think I spend less than £100 on clothes a year, easily. A lot less, probably, unless it's a year I need new shoes. I may be too far in the opposite direction from clothes obsessed.
    Yes, you can easily overspend. What money I do spend on clothes goes on shirts, ties and decent suits.

    Casual clothes: shirts, well-fitted jumpers and chinos. Plus the occasional jacket.

    I have trouble with shoes - they never seem to last very long - and am never quite sure what the right ones are to wear casually.

    I normally end up with brogues.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Charles said:

    Set up a USD bank account at your own bank and then handle the FX part yourself?

    Yes, I think that's probably the best option.

    Thanks to all who replied.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    We have a winner.

    Charles said:

    On topic, I find myself in two minds on Sunday trading.

    On the one hand it's annoying that shops are rarely open for more than a few hours on Sunday. On the other hand it's a totally different day - a relaxed family day - and I'd hate to see it become a second Saturday.

    Quite agree; as one who for many years worked Saturdays because that was the custom and practice, I find it irritating that people who have Saturday off complainimng about limited time to shop!
    Anyway, why aren’t banks, building socieries, insurance companies etc open on Sundays?
    And public services such as Local Authority and Government offices. I don’t thaink that I can phone the Inland Revenue and get an answer at a weekend can I?
    My local Barclays Bank branch in Manchester is open on Sundays
    I can always get hold of one of the partners at my bank.
    I usually just call up the nightwatchman as he had the authority to temporarily increase credit limits... ;)
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,958
    isam said:

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I've just taken the 5/6 on the LDs to save their deposit in Oldham West.

    If anyone wants to offer me some more, I'd be glad to it.

    Pulpstar?

    Nah, I'm happily on the other side of that with Ladbrokes Thanks :)
    Truly incredible that people on here are backing opposite sides of a two way mkt at 5/6 w LADBROKES rather than at Evens w each other

    I shake my head in despair
    I would have happily taken it with Pulpstar instead :-)

    Come on isam, you want to be other side of the trade with me?

    (I would point out that I lost a bet on the LDs in Cambridge, if that helps :lol:)
    I haven't really thought about the price here... Maybe I will let me think

    But my point is you could have cut out the middle man and both got Evens!

    Now shadsy is on both at 6/5!!!

    Shadsy's smarter than I look.
    How much at evs?
    £500?
    Much as bravado tempts me, I don't know that I disagree with you actually...so I swerve

    They got 19% in 2010, lost 16% buy being in Coalition w the Tories, but I can easily see them gaining a couple of % in a by election under a new leader
    It'll also be a very low turnout by-election. I reckon turnout will be down 40-50%. And if the LDs get out 75-80% of their vote in that environment, without picking up a single new voter, then they'll keep their deposit.
    It'll depend on whether anyone (UKIP?) looks like challenging Labour. If that happens other parties get squeezed dramatically in by-elections.
    Here's my favourite - Labour, with Mandelson as the agent I believe, on 2% in a Westminster by-election.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newbury_by-election,_1993
    You still think UKIP will poll under 10%?
    Did you read my entry?
    I was saying that if UKIP were seriously challenging Labour then others Libdems, Greens etc would get very squeezed.
    When did I say that UKIP would get under 10% in Oldham? Do you think they will lose half their votes there?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,245
    isam said:

    taffys said:

    d) random scare story in the Mail about a new EU law forcing everyone to learn Polish.

    And I'm not sure people really care about EU immigration that much. Its Asian subcontinent and African immigration that really gets people going.

    Immigration is also a codeword for antipathy to certain communities who largely hold British passports.

    Its the Roma that most people resent in my experience. I know some Romanians that disown them.

    Ditto here.

    Which is a shame given the way the Roma have been treated over the centuries.
    Just been at my parents and read my Dads Viz.. the Evil Jeremy Corbyn.. v funny!
    It''s hilarious. I'm awaiting the Daily Mail to copy one of the headlines.

    I used to read every issue of Viz for a while when I was in my twenties. Then a series of straitlaced gf's disapproved, so I stopped getting it. A few years ago I saw an edition of Millie Tant on the front cover, and bought it just to p*ss Mrs J off. Sadly she thought it hilarious, and we now get most issues.

    When we were renting, it was always a question of which periodicals we left out in plain view for the landlord to see: London Review of Books, Economist, IEEE Spectrum, Steam Railway, Private Eye or Viz.

    Strangely, Viz mostly won. ;)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,161
    Charles said:

    On topic, I find myself in two minds on Sunday trading.

    On the one hand it's annoying that shops are rarely open for more than a few hours on Sunday. On the other hand it's a totally different day - a relaxed family day - and I'd hate to see it become a second Saturday.

    Quite agree; as one who for many years worked Saturdays because that was the custom and practice, I find it irritating that people who have Saturday off complainimng about limited time to shop!
    Anyway, why aren’t banks, building socieries, insurance companies etc open on Sundays?
    And public services such as Local Authority and Government offices. I don’t thaink that I can phone the Inland Revenue and get an answer at a weekend can I?
    My local Barclays Bank branch in Manchester is open on Sundays
    I can always get hold of one of the partners at my bank.
    Would this bank be just down the street from my old employer, by any chance?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,267
    Charles said:

    We have a winner.

    Charles said:

    On topic, I find myself in two minds on Sunday trading.

    On the one hand it's annoying that shops are rarely open for more than a few hours on Sunday. On the other hand it's a totally different day - a relaxed family day - and I'd hate to see it become a second Saturday.

    Quite agree; as one who for many years worked Saturdays because that was the custom and practice, I find it irritating that people who have Saturday off complainimng about limited time to shop!
    Anyway, why aren’t banks, building socieries, insurance companies etc open on Sundays?
    And public services such as Local Authority and Government offices. I don’t thaink that I can phone the Inland Revenue and get an answer at a weekend can I?
    My local Barclays Bank branch in Manchester is open on Sundays
    I can always get hold of one of the partners at my bank.
    I usually just call up the nightwatchman as he had the authority to temporarily increase credit limits... ;)
    It has always impressed me that staff recognise customers' voices.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    On topic, I find myself in two minds on Sunday trading.

    On the one hand it's annoying that shops are rarely open for more than a few hours on Sunday. On the other hand it's a totally different day - a relaxed family day - and I'd hate to see it become a second Saturday.

    Quite agree; as one who for many years worked Saturdays because that was the custom and practice, I find it irritating that people who have Saturday off complainimng about limited time to shop!
    Anyway, why aren’t banks, building socieries, insurance companies etc open on Sundays?
    And public services such as Local Authority and Government offices. I don’t thaink that I can phone the Inland Revenue and get an answer at a weekend can I?
    My local Barclays Bank branch in Manchester is open on Sundays
    I can always get hold of one of the partners at my bank.
    Charles wins today's oneupmanship challenge.
    It does have it's disadvantages though - I had a drink with one of the managing partners last week - who I haven't seen for 6 months - and his first words were "I hear you're buying a house in X".

    Given that I hadn't spoken to them about the financing, sometime I am a little alarmed about the information flows...
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited 2015 10

    isam said:

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I've just taken the 5/6 on the LDs to save their deposit in Oldham West.

    If anyone wants to offer me some more, I'd be glad to it.

    Pulpstar?

    Nah, I'm happily on the other side of that with Ladbrokes Thanks :)
    Truly incredible that people on here are backing opposite sides of a two way mkt at 5/6 w LADBROKES rather than at Evens w each other

    I shake my head in despair
    I would have happily taken it with Pulpstar instead :-)

    Come on isam, you want to be other side of the trade with me?

    (I would point out that I lost a bet on the LDs in Cambridge, if that helps :lol:)

    Shadsy's smarter than I look.
    How much at evs?
    £500?
    Much as bravado tempts me, I don't know that I disagree with you actually...so I swerve

    They got 19% in 2010, lost 16% buy being in Coalition w the Tories, but I can easily see them gaining a couple of % in a by election under a new leader
    It'll also be a very low turnout by-election. I reckon turnout will be down 40-50%. And if the LDs get out 75-80% of their vote in that environment, without picking up a single new voter, then they'll keep their deposit.
    It'll depend on whether anyone (UKIP?) looks like challenging Labour. If that happens other parties get squeezed dramatically in by-elections.
    Here's my favourite - Labour, with Mandelson as the agent I believe, on 2% in a Westminster by-election.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newbury_by-election,_1993
    You still think UKIP will poll under 10%?
    Did you read my entry?
    I was saying that if UKIP were seriously challenging Labour then others Libdems, Greens etc would get very squeezed.
    When did I say that UKIP would get under 10% in Oldham? Do you think they will lose half their votes there?
    October 23rd


    logical_song • Posts: 1,426
    October 23

    Yes but UKIP have been down in every election and poll since the GE sometimes by quite large percentages. Haven't they lost all their defences since the GE, except for one hold? They have also lost their one Council.

    Labour win easily, Tories 2nd, UKIP third and saved deposit if they're lucky.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,245
    TOPPING said:

    @JosiasJessop

    What's Craig doing for trousers while you are wearing his?

    Sssshhh, you'll let our secret out!
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    rcs1000 said:

    Charles said:

    On topic, I find myself in two minds on Sunday trading.

    On the one hand it's annoying that shops are rarely open for more than a few hours on Sunday. On the other hand it's a totally different day - a relaxed family day - and I'd hate to see it become a second Saturday.

    Quite agree; as one who for many years worked Saturdays because that was the custom and practice, I find it irritating that people who have Saturday off complainimng about limited time to shop!
    Anyway, why aren’t banks, building socieries, insurance companies etc open on Sundays?
    And public services such as Local Authority and Government offices. I don’t thaink that I can phone the Inland Revenue and get an answer at a weekend can I?
    My local Barclays Bank branch in Manchester is open on Sundays
    I can always get hold of one of the partners at my bank.
    Would this bank be just down the street from my old employer, by any chance?
    On the fashionable side of the street, however.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @paulwaugh: The endorsement he didn't want? French FN's Marine Le Pen: "I am so happy to see David Cameron doing in the UK what I want to do for France"
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,052
    Scott_P said:

    @paulwaugh: The endorsement he didn't want? French FN's Marine Le Pen: "I am so happy to see David Cameron doing in the UK what I want to do for France"

    She's apparently the least crazy Le Pen, if it helps?
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,958
    isam said:

    isam said:

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I've just taken the 5/6 on the LDs to save their deposit in Oldham West.

    If anyone wants to offer me some more, I'd be glad to it.

    Pulpstar?

    Nah, I'm happily on the other side of that with Ladbrokes Thanks :)
    Truly incredible that people on here are backing opposite sides of a two way mkt at 5/6 w LADBROKES rather than at Evens w each other

    I shake my head in despair
    I would have happily taken it with Pulpstar instead :-)

    Come on isam, you want to be other side of the trade with me?

    (I would point out that I lost a bet on the LDs in Cambridge, if that helps :lol:)

    Shadsy's smarter than I look.
    How much at evs?
    £500?
    Much as bravado tempts me, I don't know that I disagree with you actually...so I swerve

    They got 19% in 2010, lost 16% buy being in Coalition w the Tories, but I can easily see them gaining a couple of % in a by election under a new leader
    It'll also be a very low turnout by-election. I reckon turnout will be down 40-50%. And if the LDs get out 75-80% of their vote in that environment, without picking up a single new voter, then they'll keep their deposit.
    It'll depend on whether anyone (UKIP?) looks like challenging Labour. If that happens other parties get squeezed dramatically in by-elections.
    Here's my favourite - Labour, with Mandelson as the agent I believe, on 2% in a Westminster by-election.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newbury_by-election,_1993
    You still think UKIP will poll under 10%?
    Did you read my entry?
    I was saying that if UKIP were seriously challenging Labour then others Libdems, Greens etc would get very squeezed.
    When did I say that UKIP would get under 10% in Oldham? Do you think they will lose half their votes there?
    October 23rd


    logical_song • Posts: 1,426
    October 23

    Yes but UKIP have been down in every election and poll since the GE sometimes by quite large percentages. Haven't they lost all their defences since the GE, except for one hold? They have also lost their one Council.

    Labour win easily, Tories 2nd, UKIP third and saved deposit if they're lucky.
    Badly worded "UKIP third if they're lucky and saved deposit."
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited 2015 10
    Scott_P said:

    @paulwaugh: The endorsement he didn't want? French FN's Marine Le Pen: "I am so happy to see David Cameron doing in the UK what I want to do for France"

    Quite a good reference to counter those who say the renegotiation doesn't amount to a hill of beans, though.

    In reality, almost every single reaction has been entirely predictable and tells you about the preconceptions of the person concerned, not about the renegotiation itself.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Charles said:



    On the fashionable side of the street, however.

    Next to one of the brothels frequented by Boswell?
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I've just taken the 5/6 on the LDs to save their deposit in Oldham West.

    If anyone wants to offer me some more, I'd be glad to it.

    Pulpstar?

    Nah, I'm happily on the other side of that with Ladbrokes Thanks :)
    Truly incredible that people on here are backing opposite sides of a two way mkt at 5/6 w LADBROKES rather than at Evens w each other

    I shake my head in despair
    I would have happily taken it with Pulpstar instead :-)

    Come on isam, you want to be other side of the trade with me?

    (I would point out that I lost a bet on the LDs in Cambridge, if that helps :lol:)
    Indeed, don't you have substantial form in overestimating the Lib Dems? I seem to remember you backing 11-20 seats quite heavily...
    I made a handsome sum in May on Robert's tip of Skybet at 16/1 on LD seats in the 0-10 band.
    I took too much notice of OGH and Mark Senior's optimism to bet against the Lib Dems.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,018

    isam said:

    isam said:

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    Pulpstar said:



    Nah, I'm happily on the other side of that with Ladbrokes Thanks :)

    Truly incredible that people on here are backing opposite sides of a two way mkt at 5/6 w LADBROKES rather than at Evens w each other

    I shake my head in despair
    I would have happily taken it with Pulpstar instead :-)

    Come on isam, you want to be other side of the trade with me?

    (I would point out that I lost a bet on the LDs in Cambridge, if that helps :lol:)

    Shadsy's smarter than I look.
    How much at evs?
    £500?
    Much as bravado tempts me, I don't know that I disagree with you actually...so I swerve

    They got 19% in 2010, lost 16% buy being in Coalition w the Tories, but I can easily see them gaining a couple of % in a by election under a new leader
    It'll also be a very low turnout by-election. I reckon turnout will be down 40-50%. And if the LDs get out 75-80% of their vote in that environment, without picking up a single new voter, then they'll keep their deposit.
    It'll depend on whether anyone (UKIP?) looks like challenging Labour. If that happens other parties get squeezed dramatically in by-elections.
    Here's my favourite - Labour, with Mandelson as the agent I believe, on 2% in a Westminster by-election.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newbury_by-election,_1993
    You still think UKIP will poll under 10%?
    Did you read my entry?
    I was saying that if UKIP were seriously challenging Labour then others Libdems, Greens etc would get very squeezed.
    When did I say that UKIP would get under 10% in Oldham? Do you think they will lose half their votes there?
    October 23rd


    logical_song • Posts: 1,426
    October 23

    Yes but UKIP have been down in every election and poll since the GE sometimes by quite large percentages. Haven't they lost all their defences since the GE, except for one hold? They have also lost their one Council.

    Labour win easily, Tories 2nd, UKIP third and saved deposit if they're lucky.
    Badly worded "UKIP third if they're lucky and saved deposit."
    That still implies scrapping for third with, presumably, the Lib Dems. Do you really see that as a likely outcome?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    isam said:

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I've just taken the 5/6 on the LDs to save their deposit in Oldham West.

    If anyone wants to offer me some more, I'd be glad to it.

    Pulpstar?

    Nah, I'm happily on the other side of that with Ladbrokes Thanks :)
    Truly incredible that people on here are backing opposite sides of a two way mkt at 5/6 w LADBROKES rather than at Evens w each other

    I shake my head in despair
    I would have happily taken it with Pulpstar instead :-)

    Come on isam, you want to be other side of the trade with me?

    (I would point out that I lost a bet on the LDs in Cambridge, if that helps :lol:)

    Shadsy's smarter than I look.
    How much at evs?
    £500?
    It'll also be a very low turnout by-election. I reckon turnout will be down 40-50%. And if the LDs get out 75-80% of their vote in that environment, without picking up a single new voter, then they'll keep their deposit.
    You still think UKIP will poll under 10%?
    Did you read my entry?
    I was saying that if UKIP were seriously challenging Labour then others Libdems, Greens etc would get very squeezed.
    When did I say that UKIP would get under 10% in Oldham? Do you think they will lose half their votes there?
    October 23rd


    logical_song • Posts: 1,426
    October 23

    Yes but UKIP have been down in every election and poll since the GE sometimes by quite large percentages. Haven't they lost all their defences since the GE, except for one hold? They have also lost their one Council.

    Labour win easily, Tories 2nd, UKIP third and saved deposit if they're lucky.
    Badly worded "UKIP third if they're lucky and saved deposit."
    Try again


    logical_song • Posts: 1,427

    October 23

    Sorry but I think it quite likely that UKIP will only lose 75% of their vote and end up with a deposit saving 5%, so no thanks.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,548

    Cyclefree said:

    I can't understand the fuss about Sunday trading, TBH, and don't much care.

    I'm amazed at how much shopping people are doing all the time. Where can they possibly put it all? What do they want it for? Look at the numbers of people in clothes shops, for instance. And yet when you walk the streets so many people are so appallingly dressed looking as if (a) they haven't bought new clothes in years; and/or (b) as if they got dressed in the dark or, in some cases, as if they fell into their wardrobes with glue on their bodies.

    They could do with mirrors, in some cases, rear view ones.

    On the other hand, some of us would prefer to be comfortable. I tried following fashion for a fortnight when I was 18, and had a gf who was very much into fashion.

    I soon realised how much she and her friends were getting fleeced for by trying to follow fashion (e.g. jackets by a Japenese designer whose name I cannot remember, fakes of which were available on Camden Market, which cost much less and didn't disintegrate after a few weeks).

    Since then, I've much preferred comfort over style. Why does anyone want to do the same as everyone else anyway, especially when it costs them such a great amount of money? Worse are the football shirts: people spending a fortune to advertise a business and also look the same as so many others.

    Although I'll admit that a tailored jacket can be extremely comfortable, but also very expensive. At the moment I'm wearing Craghooppers trousers, a Helly Hansen base layer and a thin pair of base layer socks. Would you bet you're more comfortable than me?
    Yes - being comfortable and being stylish/elegant are not incompatible. I can't abide achingly fashionable clothes and shoes which look and are uncomfortable. Being elegant is also about wearing the right clothes for the right occasion.

    In public one should try and avoid being an eyesore.

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,245

    Charles said:



    On the fashionable side of the street, however.

    Next to one of the brothels frequented by Boswell?
    Conversations such as this remind me that I'm one of PB's plebs. ;)
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,016
    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @paulwaugh: The endorsement he didn't want? French FN's Marine Le Pen: "I am so happy to see David Cameron doing in the UK what I want to do for France"

    She's apparently the least crazy Le Pen, if it helps?
    “Least” or “less”? How many of them are there?
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,018
    isam said:

    How about a Labour Oldham Hcap Mkt

    Lab (-16) 5/6

    A Labour win range market would be interesting.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 29,482

    Scott_P said:

    @paulwaugh: The endorsement he didn't want? French FN's Marine Le Pen: "I am so happy to see David Cameron doing in the UK what I want to do for France"

    Quite a good reference to counter those who say the renegotiation doesn't amount to a hill of beans, though.

    In reality, almost every single reaction has been entirely predictable and tells you about the preconceptions of the person concerned, not about the renegotiation itself.
    So you'll have no issue with telling us which part of Hannan's verdict on the 'renegotiation points' you disagree with then.
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