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Aside from the EU a developing story at Westminster is the decision by the SNP to vote against the planned changes on Sunday trading that Osborne announced in the budget for England and Wales. In Scotland this is a devolved matter with decisions being made at Holyrood.
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On the one hand it's annoying that shops are rarely open for more than a few hours on Sunday. On the other hand it's a totally different day - a relaxed family day - and I'd hate to see it become a second Saturday.
The deep tory divisions on Europe are there for anybody who wants to look today.
Are more than a few hundred die hards going to get up on a cold december morning to head out and put an x in a no hoper Lib Dem candidates box is the question you need to ask yourself.
https://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/betting/politics/scottish/constituency-betting/2016-scottish-constituency-betting/221042014/
I take the point re SNP and Tory rebels, this says more about the type of person representing the tories than the deliberately contrary Nats
I was surprised earlier this year on my first visit in many years to find the "24 hour" hypermarkets really do open 24/7 and none of this 10-4pm Sunday nonsense we have to endure in England.
If it's good enough for the Scots, why not the rest of us?
If it happened, I don't think it would ever be reversed. But it's quite likely to be defeated as the people who care strongly about it are mostly opposed.
Of course the SNP are just trouble-makers, they don't actually care a jot about the issue. It's not even a proposal for Sunday trading as such, but to allow local decision-making on Sunday trading. You have to admire their cynicism in pretending to oppose that! Thank goodness we don't have a minority government in thrall to them - we are very lucky they can only throw this kind of cynical stunt on those few issues where Labour and a few Tory rebels agree.
Having said that, though, I wonder if Labour MPs will be solidly against?
I am sure I heard on the radio this morning that SNP opposed it because it would depress Scottish wages. If they already have Sunday opening how that tally up?
Confused
Still, playing silly games makes them look like amateurs, rather than the serious politicians they claim to be, when sober. They're not very bright.
It is unlawful in Scotland to force workers to work on Sundays, but that's a different matter - if a shop can get its staff to work, it can open.
So this is even more of a constitutional outrage than it first appears.
The hunting bill opposition can be understood on one level but this is totally outside any justification with Scottish laws as they are !
It won't matter particularly in the short term for the SNP, but they're spending their capital on political penny sweets when they should be saving it up for Michelin three star meals.
Might not be that, but that's the only logical rationale I can come up with!
Still stinks though, and is pure politics.
When the bank of political capital does eventually run dry, the crash will have painful echoes of RBS for many...
Anyway, why aren’t banks, building socieries, insurance companies etc open on Sundays?
And public services such as Local Authority and Government offices. I don’t thaink that I can phone the Inland Revenue and get an answer at a weekend can I?
When does that budget become omnishambles budget2?
Just another example of poor judgement by Cameron, he's reaping what he sowed.
There should be a general deregulation across England - I hadn't realised until just now how barmy the proposal was!
As I understand it stores in Scotland can open for unrestricted hours.
The Asda Govan Superstore is open 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. The SNP attitude is ludicrous.
Plus we have the usual sanctimonious Tory suspects, what a bunch of numpties.
That observation is true of much red tape and protectionism. Vocal and motivated minorities can usually defeat quiet majorities.
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I'm not saying that purely contributory system is necessarily desirable. I was just trying to understand whether this is fundamentally an EU issue or as much an issue with the structure of our benefits system. I do think that a government should be able to prioritise its own citizens over those of others.
It seems to me to be at the heart of what it means to be a nation state.
Being British means something more than simply living in the British Isles.
But that is a very fundamental difference with the whole thrust of the EU which is to eliminate those distinctions.
My main concern with this is that if we do permit discrimination on the grounds of nationality in one area how do we prevent the eurozone discriminating against us on the same basis in areas such as financial services, where the consequences of such discrimination could be very damaging indeed?
I said:
I think the answer to that is in paragraph 58 of the case that is referred to in the article that Lucy helpfully linked to:
"As the Court has held on numerous occasions, the status of citizen of the Union is destined to be the fundamental status of nationals of the Member States, enabling those among such nationals who find themselves in the same situation to enjoy within the scope ratione materiae of the FEU Treaty the same treatment in law irrespective of their nationality, subject to such exceptions as are expressly provided for in that regard (judgments in Grzelczyk, C‑184/99, EU:C:2001:458, paragraph 31; D’Hoop, C‑224/98, EU:C:2002:432, paragraph 28; and N., EU:C:2013:9725, paragraph 27)."
In short we are all equal except to the extent that the Treaties say otherwise. As we have a veto on Treaty change we can stop a change along the lines that you are suggesting. (If we remain in the EU of course, outside in the EEA we would have no right to veto any such change).
Equally travel to Dublin. Tesco superstores there are open 6 to midnight
That said I still think it's nice to have a day that feels different to the rest of the week (for other people)
So some folk in England might well think "Good on the SNP, protecting workers wages, good old socialists..."
The SNP could offer every English voter a free unicorn, a bar of gold and a night with George Clooney or Emma Stone, and the English voter would still be suspicious of the SNP.
I think we should all take a moment and be grateful that Scottish devolution killed the SNP stone dead...
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Each Christmas we go to the Metrocentre for a family outing doing some shopping, plenty of eating etc. The fact that you cannot buy goods until 11 on a Sunday is extremely irritating, not least because I am usually itching to get away by mid afternoon to get back home. In the early years you were not allowed in the Centre at all. Now you are, you can try things on, queue up etc but the tills cannot be used until 11. Most, almost all stores therefore have their staff in about an hour earlier but cannot sell anything. It is just stupid.
http://order-order.com/2015/11/10/hattie-does-her-bit-for-deficit-reduction/
I'm amazed at how much shopping people are doing all the time. Where can they possibly put it all? What do they want it for? Look at the numbers of people in clothes shops, for instance. And yet when you walk the streets so many people are so appallingly dressed looking as if (a) they haven't bought new clothes in years; and/or (b) as if they got dressed in the dark or, in some cases, as if they fell into their wardrobes with glue on their bodies.
They could do with mirrors, in some cases, rear view ones.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/0a38efac-86e0-11e5-9f8c-a8d619fa707c.html#axzz3r6CmrXNs
http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/2015/11/david-cameron-will-secure-all-of-his-eu-reforms-because-they-will-alter-nothing/
I think he's spot on.
(And now I will sheath my claws and go and do some work.)
What constitution.
Such constitution as we have has been fiddled with long ago by Labour with LD connivance to bring in devolved government.
If Scotland wants all day opening on Sunday then good luck to them. Why should Scottish MPs vote for for against English opening times when
a) Its nothing to do with them or their constituents
b) These same Scottish MPs have no say in Scottish opening times in their own constituencies
??
Your notion of what seems constitutional seems a little half baked.
What I find slightly odd is Sainsburys reaction to this. When it was trialed during the Olympics, Tescos were extremely happy to go 24/7, but Justin King (boss of Sainsburys at the time) was very very anti, and even though King has now gone they don't seem very keen. I wonder why? Is it that their systems can't handle 24/7 store opening?
For me the big worry with leaving is severe skill shortages and wage inflation. The current arrangements allow employers to tap into a big pool of labour to plug gaps in expertise.
I read that supply of labour is already tightening, even with the status quo.
My constituency is about as far from Scotland as you can get, geographically. I heard many different insults given to Sturgeon and Salmond on the doorsteps, and, surprise surprise, those who have been lending their vote to the Libs for the last 2 or 3 elections came back to their natural home...
Exactly right.
Dave's demands say more about Dave's viewpoint than they do about the issue at hand.
If anyone wants to offer me some more, I'd be glad to it.
Pulpstar?
I need all the shopping hours there are and then some.