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edited October 2015 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » On the eve of this month’s GOP debate Trump gets knocked off the top slot in new national poll

With established politicians all making heavy weather in the polls the former neuro-surgeon, Ben Carson and Donald Trump have been leading with, until today, the latter having the edge. But now we have this one from CBS/NYT.

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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,481
    edited October 2015
    Good news for those of who have been laying Trump.

    Though please let it not be Ben Carson.

    He makes Trump look good
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    MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642

    Good news for those of who have been laying Trump.

    Though please let it not be Ben Carson.

    He makes Trump look good

    After backing Carson I am now laying him.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,798
    Carson seems horribly dull. Something about his voice.

    FPT

    TKA Is that your contribution to the debate... no wonder everybody thinks you are thick.

    I'll tell you one thing Dick. When Osborne announced the tax credit cuts back in July I was on here highlighting what a disastrous move it was...both for those who would suffer the losses and for the Tories.

    I told you that families would lose hundreds and hundreds of pounds and all I heard from you and your Tory sycophants was that "welfare cuts" are popular with the public.

    Well who was right?...was it you Dick?

    The great comfort I have is, that despite all the rubbish I hear on here from 90% of the posts from individuals with not the slightest notion of how difficult it is out in the real world for hard working families, who assume every benefit recipient is a sponger and every part-timer is exploiting the tax credits system...the greatest comfort is that the cuts will be smaller, will be phased in and those who will suffer because of them will at least have a chance to prepare for them.

    Do you wonder why I am so passionate about tax credit cuts? It's because I have family members who would have been absolutely slaughtered by these cuts. Not lazy layabouts but people who were raised right and who worss.
    I don't think that anyone would be unsympathetic towards the plight of those such as you describe but policy cannot be made or shaped on individual case studies, however much the media and self seeking publicists might like to highlight them.
    This, I feel, is a very important point to bear in mind with a lot of policies, much abused by all sides. The standard 'I've found examples where the policy negatively impacts someone, therefore you are heartless for doing it and it must be scrapped' approach. Sometimes it may be a fair representation of the general effect of a policy, but more often it is not and the actual merits, or lack of merits, of the policy itself may in fact outweigh the general harm that may arise, even though individuals will still lose out and suffer.

    On this one that there has been so much internal opposition, not purely for the perceived political cost from the perception of policy, that it does lead me to believe some tinkering was probably in order to mitigate the impact, but I've yet to be convinced by the counter-arguments that something of this nature at least is not necessary in terms of a profligate system that was not working effectively needing to be tackled, and so on balance I currently have to feel moves should press ahead. Perhaps another approach could be taken, but with cuts getting harder to find, making hard choices seems to need to be done now, or soon at any rate, and is there time for such large revision.

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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Good news for those of who have been laying Trump.

    Though please let it not be Ben Carson.

    He makes Trump look good

    From what I've seen I don't think any woman over 35 has been laying Trump for decades.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,946
    Tkw fpt:

    Gah. There is a world beyond state subsidy and state sector.

    And everyone has benefited from massive increases in personal allowances.

    Why are all your examples negative?
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    FPT
    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_P said:

    MP_SE said:

    Ouch. You know Spectre is bad when it is mentioned in the same sentence as The Phantom Menace. I tried to watch Quantum of Solace the other evening but gave up.

    I would rather watch Quantum of Solace on repeat rather than sit through Spectre again
    Quantum of Solace was like watching paint dry for me but I really enjoyed Skyfall and Casino Royale, hmmm. Will still need to go and make my own mind up I think
    Ditto.

    It doesn't open here until 11/06 so please don't post any spoilers!
    I doubt I will be going for at least a fortnight anyway. This weekend most tickets will have been pre-booked already
    The new Star Wars movie sold a million tickets in 12 hours after a 2:30 preview at half-time on Monday Night Football last week. I just don't get the whole Star Wars thing - the last 3 movies have been awful. Walmart is selling shed loads of Star Wars merchandise.

    Speaking of Walmart, George has now appeared as its low price line (wasn't that from subsidiary ASDA?). Nice cotton Oxford shirts for about 8 pounds.
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    AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    kle4 said:

    Carson seems horribly dull. Something about his voice.

    FPT

    TKA Is that your contribution to the debate... no wonder everybody thinks you are thick.

    *snip for length*
    I don't think that anyone would be unsympathetic towards the plight of those such as you describe but policy cannot be made or shaped on individual case studies, however much the media and self seeking publicists might like to highlight them.
    This, I feel, is a very important point to bear in mind with a lot of policies, much abused by all sides. The standard 'I've found examples where the policy negatively impacts someone, therefore you are heartless for doing it and it must be scrapped' approach. Sometimes it may be a fair representation of the general effect of a policy, but more often it is not and the actual merits, or lack of merits, of the policy itself may in fact outweigh the general harm that may arise, even though individuals will still lose out and suffer.

    On this one that there has been so much internal opposition, not purely for the perceived political cost from the perception of policy, that it does lead me to believe some tinkering was probably in order to mitigate the impact, but I've yet to be convinced by the counter-arguments that something of this nature at least is not necessary in terms of a profligate system that was not working effectively needing to be tackled, and so on balance I currently have to feel moves should press ahead. Perhaps another approach could be taken, but with cuts getting harder to find, making hard choices seems to need to be done now, or soon at any rate, and is there time for such large revision.
    Well put. With almost any change (and all zero sum changes) there will be winners and losers. The fact that there will be losers does not mean that change should cease. That way lies stagnation and paralysis.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Tim_B said:

    The new Star Wars movie sold a million tickets in 12 hours after a 2:30 preview at half-time on Monday Night Football last week.

    I have a ticket for a showing at 00:01am on the day it is released
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    Scott_P said:

    Tim_B said:

    The new Star Wars movie sold a million tickets in 12 hours after a 2:30 preview at half-time on Monday Night Football last week.

    I have a ticket for a showing at 00:01am on the day it is released
    Me too
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    Tim_B said:

    FPT

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_P said:

    MP_SE said:

    Ouch. You know Spectre is bad when it is mentioned in the same sentence as The Phantom Menace. I tried to watch Quantum of Solace the other evening but gave up.

    I would rather watch Quantum of Solace on repeat rather than sit through Spectre again
    Quantum of Solace was like watching paint dry for me but I really enjoyed Skyfall and Casino Royale, hmmm. Will still need to go and make my own mind up I think
    Ditto.

    It doesn't open here until 11/06 so please don't post any spoilers!
    I doubt I will be going for at least a fortnight anyway. This weekend most tickets will have been pre-booked already
    The new Star Wars movie sold a million tickets in 12 hours after a 2:30 preview at half-time on Monday Night Football last week. I just don't get the whole Star Wars thing - the last 3 movies have been awful. Walmart is selling shed loads of Star Wars merchandise.

    Speaking of Walmart, George has now appeared as its low price line (wasn't that from subsidiary ASDA?). Nice cotton Oxford shirts for about 8 pounds.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9OaCuUlCAU
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Me too

    If it sucks as bad as Spectre I will be quite unhappy...
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    Anorak said:

    kle4 said:

    Carson seems horribly dull. Something about his voice.

    FPT

    TKA Is that your contribution to the debate... no wonder everybody thinks you are thick.

    *snip for length*
    I don't think that anyone would be unsympathetic towards the plight of those such as you describe but policy cannot be made or shaped on individual case studies, however much the media and self seeking publicists might like to highlight them.
    This, I feel, is a very important point to bear in mind with a lot of policies, much abused by all sides. The standard 'I've found examples where the policy negatively impacts someone, therefore you are heartless for doing it and it must be scrapped' approach. Sometimes it may be a fair representation of the general effect of a policy, but more often it is not and the actual merits, or lack of merits, of the policy itself may in fact outweigh the general harm that may arise, even though individuals will still lose out and suffer.

    On this one that there has been so much internal opposition, not purely for the perceived political cost from the perception of policy, that it does lead me to believe some tinkering was probably in order to mitigate the impact, but I've yet to be convinced by the counter-arguments that something of this nature at least is not necessary in terms of a profligate system that was not working effectively needing to be tackled, and so on balance I currently have to feel moves should press ahead. Perhaps another approach could be taken, but with cuts getting harder to find, making hard choices seems to need to be done now, or soon at any rate, and is there time for such large revision.
    Well put. With almost any change (and all zero sum changes) there will be winners and losers. The fact that there will be losers does not mean that change should cease. That way lies stagnation and paralysis.
    But the fact that there will be 3 million losers and many of those losing a great deal of money probably indicates that it should not go ahead
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Scott_P said:

    Tim_B said:

    The new Star Wars movie sold a million tickets in 12 hours after a 2:30 preview at half-time on Monday Night Football last week.

    I have a ticket for a showing at 00:01am on the day it is released
    Me too
    It doesn't come out until December! What's the attraction - is it the original cast returning?
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    Tim_B said:

    Scott_P said:

    Tim_B said:

    The new Star Wars movie sold a million tickets in 12 hours after a 2:30 preview at half-time on Monday Night Football last week.

    I have a ticket for a showing at 00:01am on the day it is released
    Me too
    It doesn't come out until December! What's the attraction - is it the original cast returning?
    It is Star Wars.

    Even the prequels can't ruin my love for it.

    I'm hoping the films follow the expanded universe novels and have Luke turning to the dark side.
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    JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    Following my admonishment on the last thread for finding a LD peer who had retired rather than being voted out, I've checked more thoroughly this time..

    What qualification does this lady have to be a lifelong lawmaker?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorely_Burt
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited October 2015
    Scott_P said:

    Me too

    If it sucks as bad as Spectre I will be quite unhappy...
    Should Spectre be renamed Dyson because it sucks totally all the time?
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,289
    LORDS UPDATE:

    Per Hansard:

    "5.28 pm

    Division on Lord Kennedy’s Amendment

    Contents 267; Not-Contents 257.

    Lord Kennedy’s Amendment agreed.

    As a result of a technical problem, the voting list was unavailable for Division No. 1, and will be published online as soon as it is available.

    5.45 pm

    Division on Lord Tyler’s Motion, as amended.

    Contents 246; Not-Contents 257.

    Lord Tyler’s Motion, as amended, disagreed.

    As a result of a technical problem, the voting list was unavailable for Division No 2, and will be published online as soon as it is available."

    So it APPEARS that the vote totals are correct.

    Must say I am still very suspicious about this - whenever there is more than one vote a few peers from all sides normally drift home and only vote in the first vote.

    Yet on this occasion the Govt retained its vote total at 257 precisely. Yet the opposition went down by 21. It's all very, very bizarre.

    http://www.parliament.uk/business/publications/hansard/lords/todays-lords-debates/read/unknown/108/
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    Mortimer said:

    Tkw fpt:

    Gah. There is a world beyond state subsidy and state sector.

    And everyone has benefited from massive increases in personal allowances.

    Why are all your examples negative?

    Because the negatives outweigh the positives. Personal allowances going up £1,000 is only a £200 tax saving...the losses are up to ten times that.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929

    Following my admonishment on the last thread for finding a LD peer who had retired rather than being voted out, I've checked more thoroughly this time..

    What qualification does this lady have to be a lifelong lawmaker?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorely_Burt

    Errm was an MP for err Solihull...
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,798
    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_P said:

    MP_SE said:

    Ouch. You know Spectre is bad when it is mentioned in the same sentence as The Phantom Menace. I tried to watch Quantum of Solace the other evening but gave up.

    I would rather watch Quantum of Solace on repeat rather than sit through Spectre again
    Quantum of Solace was like watching paint dry for me but I really enjoyed Skyfall and Casino Royale, hmmm. Will still need to go and make my own mind up I think
    Ditto.

    It doesn't open here until 11/06 so please don't post any spoilers!
    I doubt I will be going for at least a fortnight anyway. This weekend most tickets will have been pre-booked already
    The new Star Wars movie sold a million tickets in 12 hours after a 2:30 preview at half-time on Monday Night Football last week. I just don't get the whole Star Wars thing - the last 3 movies have been awful.
    You have the extended universe (books, tv show) fanboys keeping the flame alive, although in my experience they are the least happy about the movies as it means there is a different canon for the movies from the books.

    But really I think it's just that the hype campaign has been very well handled. George Lucas was seen as principally behind the creative decisions that made the prequel trilogy bad, and for the first new movie at least the stalwart fans of the original seem willing to give it another chance. Helped by J J Abrahms, though not universally liked, being generally considered a good director who rebooted another very tired franchise very well, and did so while being a bigger fan of Wars than Trek, so he's even more invested in making it good.

    Add to that some stylish trailers, promise of new main characters for those who don't care about the old lot anymore, roles for the original cast for those who do care, and you get the nostalgia factor, an appeal to new audiences (the trailer would seem to indicate despite everything Han Solo has to explain things like the Force to the new characters) all adding to tremendous hype.

    Personally I like the original trilogy but think people take it way too seriously and give it way too much credit, and though the prequels are bad, I can defend elements of them at least, but this one seems like it could be fun.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited October 2015

    Tim_B said:

    Scott_P said:

    Tim_B said:

    The new Star Wars movie sold a million tickets in 12 hours after a 2:30 preview at half-time on Monday Night Football last week.

    I have a ticket for a showing at 00:01am on the day it is released
    Me too
    It doesn't come out until December! What's the attraction - is it the original cast returning?
    It is Star Wars.

    Even the prequels can't ruin my love for it.

    I'm hoping the films follow the expanded universe novels and have Luke turning to the dark side.
    There is a bumper sticker here that says "Come over to the dark side - we have cookies".

    I don't even pretend to get the "expanded universe novels" comment.
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    @SebastianEPayne: Do believe the hype, #SPECTRE was absolutely fantastic. Fully recommended but avoid sitting in the front row of an IMAX cinema
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    MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642

    Tim_B said:

    Scott_P said:

    Tim_B said:

    The new Star Wars movie sold a million tickets in 12 hours after a 2:30 preview at half-time on Monday Night Football last week.

    I have a ticket for a showing at 00:01am on the day it is released
    Me too
    It doesn't come out until December! What's the attraction - is it the original cast returning?
    It is Star Wars.

    Even the prequels can't ruin my love for it.

    I'm hoping the films follow the expanded universe novels and have Luke turning to the dark side.
    Have you seen Ewoks - The Battle for Endor and Caravan of Courage? I cannot really remember them so cannot comment on how watchable they are.
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    MP_SE said:

    Tim_B said:

    Scott_P said:

    Tim_B said:

    The new Star Wars movie sold a million tickets in 12 hours after a 2:30 preview at half-time on Monday Night Football last week.

    I have a ticket for a showing at 00:01am on the day it is released
    Me too
    It doesn't come out until December! What's the attraction - is it the original cast returning?
    It is Star Wars.

    Even the prequels can't ruin my love for it.

    I'm hoping the films follow the expanded universe novels and have Luke turning to the dark side.
    Have you seen Ewoks - The Battle for Endor and Caravan of Courage? I cannot really remember them so cannot comment on how watchable they are.
    I have. I've also seen the Star Wars Christmas special.
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    MP_SE said:

    Good news for those of who have been laying Trump.

    Though please let it not be Ben Carson.

    He makes Trump look good

    After backing Carson I am now laying him.
    I am tempted to lay all of them but at the end of the day one must win.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    Clean sweep for the north in the footie.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,028
    PPP- North Carolina Republican Primary
    Trump 31% (26%)
    Carson 23% (21%)
    Rubio 11% (10%)
    Bush 6% (5%)
    Cruz 6% (9%)
    Fiorina 6% (12%)
    Huckabee 5% (6%)
    Kasich 5% (4%)
    Christie 3% (2%)
    Paul 2% (0%)
    Santorum 2% (1%)
    Gilmore 0% (0%)
    Graham 0% (0%)
    Jindal 0% (1%)
    Pataki 0% (0%)

    PPP- North Carolina Republican Head-to-Head
    Carson 51% (54%)
    Trump 40% (38%)

    Trump 47% (44%)
    Rubio 42% (47%)

    Trump 52% (–)
    Cruz 34% (–)

    Trump 58% (56%)
    Bush 29% (36%)

    vs. Clinton
    Carson 49% (51%)
    Clinton 43% (41%)

    Rubio 48% (50%)
    Clinton 42% (40%)

    Trump 48% (47%)
    Clinton 42% (42%)

    Huckabee 48% (48%)
    Clinton 44% (41%)

    Fiorina 45% (48%)
    Clinton 43% (41%)

    Cruz 46% (46%)
    Clinton 45% (43%)

    Clinton 44% (40%)
    Kasich 42% (44%)

    Clinton 46% (41%)
    Bush 43% (46%)

    vs. Sanders

    Carson 48% (48%)
    Sanders 37% (35%)

    Trump 48% (46%)
    Sanders 41% (43%)

    Cruz 45% (–)
    Sanders 41% (–)

    Bush 46% (45%)
    Sanders 40% (39%)

    Clinton vs. Trump vs. Webb
    Trump 43%
    Clinton 41%
    Webb 8%
    http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/10/clinton-rising-in-north-carolina.html
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    isamisam Posts: 40,931

    Mortimer said:

    Tkw fpt:

    Gah. There is a world beyond state subsidy and state sector.

    And everyone has benefited from massive increases in personal allowances.

    Why are all your examples negative?

    Because the negatives outweigh the positives. Personal allowances going up £1,000 is only a £200 tax saving...the losses are up to ten times that.
    They went up 5 grand though didn't they?
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    Dave Gorman (on Dave) is currently ripping YouGov data to shreds.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    kle4 said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_P said:

    MP_SE said:

    Ouch. You know Spectre is bad when it is mentioned in the same sentence as The Phantom Menace. I tried to watch Quantum of Solace the other evening but gave up.

    I would rather watch Quantum of Solace on repeat rather than sit through Spectre again
    Quantum of Solace was like watching paint dry for me but I really enjoyed Skyfall and Casino Royale, hmmm. Will still need to go and make my own mind up I think
    Ditto.

    It doesn't open here until 11/06 so please don't post any spoilers!
    I doubt I will be going for at least a fortnight anyway. This weekend most tickets will have been pre-booked already
    The new Star Wars movie sold a million tickets in 12 hours after a 2:30 preview at half-time on Monday Night Football last week. I just don't get the whole Star Wars thing - the last 3 movies have been awful.
    You have the extended universe (books, tv show) fanboys keeping the flame alive, although in my experience they are the least happy about the movies as it means there is a different canon for the movies from the books.

    But really I think it's just that the hype campaign has been very well handled. George Lucas was seen as principally behind the creative decisions that made the prequel trilogy bad, and for the first new movie at least the stalwart fans of the original seem willing to give it another chance. Helped by J J Abrahms, though not universally liked, being generally considered a good director who rebooted another very tired franchise very well, and did so while being a bigger fan of Wars than Trek, so he's even more invested in making it good.

    Add to that some stylish trailers, promise of new main characters for those who don't care about the old lot anymore, roles for the original cast for those who do care, and you get the nostalgia factor, an appeal to new audiences (the trailer would seem to indicate despite everything Han Solo has to explain things like the Force to the new characters) all adding to tremendous hype.

    Personally I like the original trilogy but think people take it way too seriously and give it way too much credit, and though the prequels are bad, I can defend elements of them at least, but this one seems like it could be fun.
    The original movies were great entertaining movies, but there were not 2001, Lawrence of Arabia, Ben Hur, Citizen Kane, or Gone With The Wind.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    isam said:

    Mortimer said:

    Tkw fpt:

    Gah. There is a world beyond state subsidy and state sector.

    And everyone has benefited from massive increases in personal allowances.

    Why are all your examples negative?

    Because the negatives outweigh the positives. Personal allowances going up £1,000 is only a £200 tax saving...the losses are up to ten times that.
    They went up 5 grand though didn't they?
    That was in the past ! Would you accept a 10% pay cut today on the grounds that you had pay increases in the past 5 years ?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,798
    Tim_B said:

    kle4 said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_P said:

    MP_SE said:

    Ouch. You know Spectre is bad when it is mentioned in the same sentence as The Phantom Menace. I tried to watch Quantum of Solace the other evening but gave up.

    I would rather watch Quantum of Solace on repeat rather than sit through Spectre again
    Quantum of Solace was like watching paint dry for me but I really enjoyed Skyfall and Casino Royale, hmmm. Will still need to go and make my own mind up I think
    Ditto.

    It doesn't open here until 11/06 so please don't post any spoilers!
    I doubt I will be going for at least a fortnight anyway. This weekend most tickets will have been pre-booked already
    The new Star Wars movie sold a million tickets in 12 hours after a 2:30 preview at half-time on Monday Night Football last week. I just don't get the whole Star Wars thing - the last 3 movies have been awful.
    You have the .
    The original movies were great entertaining movies, but there were not 2001, Lawrence of Arabia, Ben Hur, Citizen Kane, or Gone With The Wind.
    True enough - for starters, I've only seen one of those, because all anyone normally says about them is how classic they are, and not how they are good, or even if they are actually entertaining, so I've never really been motivated to watch them. Say what you will about Star Wars, and as I say that as someone who feels they get too much of a pass sometimes, it's fans usually take more effort to describe why it is good more broadly than those efforts. It reminds me of being at school and people feeling no interest in Shakespeare, because they hammered home analysis of how stupendous they were before people had a chance to enjoy them in the first place. in my school at least.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Pulpstar said:

    Following my admonishment on the last thread for finding a LD peer who had retired rather than being voted out, I've checked more thoroughly this time..

    What qualification does this lady have to be a lifelong lawmaker?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorely_Burt

    Errm was an MP for err Solihull...
    Certainly more qualified than a fucking hereditary who could even be an issue from the wrong side of the bed !
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    Good news for those of who have been laying Trump.

    Though please let it not be Ben Carson.

    He makes Trump look good

    Do you really think US Republicans would choose a Black man ?
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    kle4 said:

    Tim_B said:

    kle4 said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_P said:

    MP_SE said:

    Ouch. You know Spectre is bad when it is mentioned in the same sentence as The Phantom Menace. I tried to watch Quantum of Solace the other evening but gave up.

    I would rather watch Quantum of Solace on repeat rather than sit through Spectre again
    Quantum of Solace was like watching paint dry for me but I really enjoyed Skyfall and Casino Royale, hmmm. Will still need to go and make my own mind up I think
    Ditto.

    It doesn't open here until 11/06 so please don't post any spoilers!
    I doubt I will be going for at least a fortnight anyway. This weekend most tickets will have been pre-booked already
    The new Star Wars movie sold a million tickets in 12 hours after a 2:30 preview at half-time on Monday Night Football last week. I just don't get the whole Star Wars thing - the last 3 movies have been awful.
    You have the .
    The original movies were great entertaining movies, but there were not 2001, Lawrence of Arabia, Ben Hur, Citizen Kane, or Gone With The Wind.
    True enough - for starters, I've only seen one of those, because all anyone normally says about them is how classic they are, and not how they are good, or even if they are actually entertaining, so I've never really been motivated to watch them. Say what you will about Star Wars, and as I say that as someone who feels they get too much of a pass sometimes, it's fans usually take more effort to describe why it is good more broadly than those efforts. It reminds me of being at school and people feeling no interest in Shakespeare, because they hammered home analysis of how stupendous they were before people had a chance to enjoy them in the first place. in my school at least.
    Which one have you seen?
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    surbiton said:

    Good news for those of who have been laying Trump.

    Though please let it not be Ben Carson.

    He makes Trump look good

    Do you really think US Republicans would choose a Black man ?
    Yes. The GOP aren't the party of Phil Woolas
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,798
    Tim_B said:

    kle4 said:

    Tim_B said:

    kle4 said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_P said:

    MP_SE said:

    Ouch. You know Spectre is bad when it is mentioned in the same sentence as The Phantom Menace. I tried to watch Quantum of Solace the other evening but gave up.

    I would rather watch Quantum of Solace on repeat rather than sit through Spectre again
    Quantum of Solace was like watching paint dry for me but I really enjoyed Skyfall and Casino Royale, hmmm. Will still need to go and make my own mind up I think
    Ditto.

    It doesn't open here until 11/06 so please don't post any spoilers!
    I doubt I will be going for at least a fortnight anyway. This weekend most tickets will have been pre-booked already
    The new Star Wars movie sold a million tickets in 12 hours after a 2:30 preview at half-time on Monday Night Football last week. I just don't get the whole Star Wars thing - the last 3 movies have been awful.
    You have the .
    The original movies were great entertaining movies, but there were not 2001, Lawrence of Arabia, Ben Hur, Citizen Kane, or Gone With The Wind.
    True enough - for starters, I've only seen one of those, because all anyone normally says about them is how classic they are, and not how they are good, or even if they are actually entertaining, so I've never really been motivated to watch them. Say what you will about Star Wars, and as I say that as someone who feels they get too much of a pass sometimes, it's fans usually take more effort to describe why it is good more broadly than those efforts. It reminds me of being at school and people feeling no interest in Shakespeare, because they hammered home analysis of how stupendous they were before people had a chance to enjoy them in the first place. in my school at least.
    Which one have you seen?
    Lawrence of Arabia. It was very good, I'll probably get around to other classics as well, eventually, I just feel no urgency to do so.

    Though of course the other problem is I've seen the big moments of most of the others parodied so many times, they may lose impact upon actually watching them.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,931
    edited October 2015
    surbiton said:

    isam said:

    Mortimer said:

    Tkw fpt:

    Gah. There is a world beyond state subsidy and state sector.

    And everyone has benefited from massive increases in personal allowances.

    Why are all your examples negative?

    Because the negatives outweigh the positives. Personal allowances going up £1,000 is only a £200 tax saving...the losses are up to ten times that.
    They went up 5 grand though didn't they?
    That was in the past ! Would you accept a 10% pay cut today on the grounds that you had pay increases in the past 5 years ?
    If the business was struggling I'd have no choice, so yes I would

    Plenty of people do
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    Dave Gorman (on Dave) is currently ripping YouGov data to shreds.

    I did enjoy the bit about fans of Ant and fans of Dec.
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    isam said:

    surbiton said:

    isam said:

    Mortimer said:

    Tkw fpt:

    Gah. There is a world beyond state subsidy and state sector.

    And everyone has benefited from massive increases in personal allowances.

    Why are all your examples negative?

    Because the negatives outweigh the positives. Personal allowances going up £1,000 is only a £200 tax saving...the losses are up to ten times that.
    They went up 5 grand though didn't they?
    That was in the past ! Would you accept a 10% pay cut today on the grounds that you had pay increases in the past 5 years ?
    If the business was struggling I'd have no choice, so yes I would

    Plenty of people do
    And have.

    I wonder how many private sector workers had to take a big pay cut in order to keep their jobs.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607

    isam said:

    surbiton said:

    isam said:

    Mortimer said:

    Tkw fpt:

    Gah. There is a world beyond state subsidy and state sector.

    And everyone has benefited from massive increases in personal allowances.

    Why are all your examples negative?

    Because the negatives outweigh the positives. Personal allowances going up £1,000 is only a £200 tax saving...the losses are up to ten times that.
    They went up 5 grand though didn't they?
    That was in the past ! Would you accept a 10% pay cut today on the grounds that you had pay increases in the past 5 years ?
    If the business was struggling I'd have no choice, so yes I would

    Plenty of people do
    And have.

    I wonder how many private sector workers had to take a big pay cut in order to keep their jobs.
    I did at Sony in 2009 after a bad couple of years for PlayStation. A lot of us did, it was that or mandatory redundancies which no one wanted to go though.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Following my admonishment on the last thread for finding a LD peer who had retired rather than being voted out, I've checked more thoroughly this time..

    What qualification does this lady have to be a lifelong lawmaker?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorely_Burt

    The HoL is full of timeservers, yesmen and people who have given large sums of money to political parties. I think the utility of titles is that they label the dross and parasites in our society so that the rest of us can avoid them.

    Jack W is an honourable exception though, perhaps on some deepcover operation.
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    Just seen this on a Chelsea website, talk about deluded:

    Chelsea are out of the League Cup following a penalty loss to Stoke City, and with that loss dies the dream of the quadruple.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited October 2015
    kle4 said:

    Tim_B said:

    kle4 said:

    Tim_B said:

    kle4 said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_P said:

    MP_SE said:

    The new Star Wars movie sold a million tickets in 12 hours after a 2:30 preview at half-time on Monday Night Football last week. I just don't get the whole Star Wars thing - the last 3 movies have been awful.
    You have the .
    The original movies were great entertaining movies, but there were not 2001, Lawrence of Arabia, Ben Hur, Citizen Kane, or Gone With The Wind.
    True enough - for starters, I've only seen one of those, because all anyone normally says about them is how classic they are, and not how they are good, or even if they are actually entertaining, so I've never really been motivated to watch them. Say what you will about Star Wars, and as I say that as someone who feels they get too much of a pass sometimes, it's fans usually take more effort to describe why it is good more broadly than those efforts. It reminds me of being at school and people feeling no interest in Shakespeare, because they hammered home analysis of how stupendous they were before people had a chance to enjoy them in the first place. in my school at least.
    Which one have you seen?
    Lawrence of Arabia. It was very good, I'll probably get around to other classics as well, eventually, I just feel no urgency to do so.

    Though of course the other problem is I've seen the big moments of most of the others parodied so many times, they may lose impact upon actually watching them.
    LOA is my favorite movie. It is one of the most beautiful movies ever photographed. They spent almost 2 years in the desert shooting it. King Hussein of Jordan met his wife in the production office in Amman. It is (to my knowledge) the only movie made without a single female speaking part. Books have been written about it, and I have them. There was no CGI for any of those movies - if you see 1000 guys riding though the desert on camels, that's what they photographed. I am a T E Lawrence buff, I have to admit.

    Ben Hur was a stunner for its time - the chariot race is breathtaking even today - it runs 20 minutes. Citizen Kane was a film school exercise in how to make a movie. They are all worth watching. Casablanca is also a classic. Get the DVDs and see what movie making is really all about.
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    watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited October 2015

    Following my admonishment on the last thread for finding a LD peer who had retired rather than being voted out, I've checked more thoroughly this time..

    What qualification does this lady have to be a lifelong lawmaker?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorely_Burt

    10 years troughing as a Lib Dem MP, and a few years as a PPS? Not much.

    Politicians who lose their seats at elections should be barred from entering the HoL. Even better keep ex MP's of all political persuasions out of the place. It's nothing but a retirement club for the parasites that want to keep sucking on taxpayers teat.

    'Kicked out of your cosy job by an ungrateful electorate? Never mind, become a Lord on £300 a day, plus subsidised food and drink, and keep meddling in the lives of the poor sods who gave you the boot.'

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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    Good news for those of who have been laying Trump.

    Though please let it not be Ben Carson.

    He makes Trump look good

    Carson at least sounds like a Republican. Trump is all over the shop ideologically: at worst he sounds like a pub bore giving voice to random prejudices; at best he should run for mayor as an independent.

    Thus far, Trump has neither raised nor spent much money. Maybe he will drop out once being famous is no longer enough and voters start paying attention to what he is saying.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/campaign-finance/
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    Tim_B said:

    kle4 said:

    Tim_B said:

    kle4 said:

    Tim_B said:

    kle4 said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_P said:

    MP_SE said:

    The new Star Wars movie sold a million tickets in 12 hours after a 2:30 preview at half-time on Monday Night Football last week. I just don't get the whole Star Wars thing - the last 3 movies have been awful.
    You have the .
    The original movies were great entertaining movies, but there were not 2001, Lawrence of Arabia, Ben Hur, Citizen Kane, or Gone With The Wind.
    True enough - for starters, I've only seen one of those, because all anyone normally says about them is how classic they are, and not how they are good, or even if they are actually entertaining, so I've never really been motivated to watch them. Say what you will about Star Wars, and as I say that as someone who feels they get too much of a pass sometimes, it's fans usually take more effort to describe why it is good more broadly than those efforts. It reminds me of being at school and people feeling no interest in Shakespeare, because they hammered home analysis of how stupendous they were before people had a chance to enjoy them in the first place. in my school at least.
    Which one have you seen?
    Lawrence of Arabia. It was very good, I'll probably get around to other classics as well, eventually, I just feel no urgency to do so.

    Though of course the other problem is I've seen the big moments of most of the others parodied so many times, they may lose impact upon actually watching them.
    LOA is my favorite movie. It is one of the most beautiful movies ever photographed. They spent almost 2 years in the desert shooting it. King Hussein of Jordan met his wife in the production office in Amman. It is (to my knowledge) the only movie made without a single female speaking part. Books have been written about it, and I have them. There was no CGI for any of those movies - if you see 1000 guys riding though the desert on camels, that's what they photographed. I am a T E Lawrence buff, I have to admit.

    Ben Hur was a stunner for its time - the chariot race is breathtaking even today - it runs 20 minutes. Citizen Kane was a film school exercise in how to make a movie. They are all worth watching. Casablanca is also a classic. Get the DVDs and see what movie making is really all about.
    None of them are a patch on Airplane!
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Tim_B said:

    kle4 said:

    Tim_B said:

    kle4 said:

    Tim_B said:

    kle4 said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_P said:

    MP_SE said:

    The original movies were great entertaining movies, but there were not 2001, Lawrence of Arabia, Ben Hur, Citizen Kane, or Gone With The Wind.
    True enough - for starters, I've only seen one of those, because all anyone normally says about them is how classic they are, and not how they are good, or even if they are actually entertaining, so I've never really been motivated to watch them. Say what you will about Star Wars, and as I say that as someone who feels they get too much of a pass sometimes, it's fans usually take more effort to describe why it is good more broadly than those efforts. It reminds me of being at school and people feeling no interest in Shakespeare, because they hammered home analysis of how stupendous they were before people had a chance to enjoy them in the first place. in my school at least.
    Which one have you seen?
    Lawrence of Arabia. It was very good, I'll probably get around to other classics as well, eventually, I just feel no urgency to do so.

    Though of course the other problem is I've seen the big moments of most of the others parodied so many times, they may lose impact upon actually watching them.
    LOA is my favorite movie. It is one of the most beautiful movies ever photographed. They spent almost 2 years in the desert shooting it. King Hussein of Jordan met his wife in the production office in Amman. It is (to my knowledge) the only movie made without a single female speaking part. Books have been written about it, and I have them. There was no CGI for any of those movies - if you see 1000 guys riding though the desert on camels, that's what they photographed. I am a T E Lawrence buff, I have to admit.

    Ben Hur was a stunner for its time - the chariot race is breathtaking even today - it runs 20 minutes. Citizen Kane was a film school exercise in how to make a movie. They are all worth watching. Casablanca is also a classic. Get the DVDs and see what movie making is really all about.
    None of them are a patch on Airplane!
    Give me ham on 5 and hold the mayo.

    Don't call me Shirley.

    Roger Roger. What's your vector Victor?

    Looks like I picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    It will be Trump or Carson.
    They have 50% of the voters that simply interchange between them, GOP voters don't like candidates with experience and those who don't give extreme statements, so that excludes Bush and Rubio who are too mild, bland, and have too much experience for republican voters.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Speedy said:

    It will be Trump or Carson.
    They have 50% of the voters that simply interchange between them, GOP voters don't like candidates with experience and those who don't give extreme statements, so that excludes Bush and Rubio who are too mild, bland, and have too much experience for republican voters.

    Carson is a very interesting wild card, and someone who could defeat Clinton. I quite like him and not just because he is in the medical mafia!

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    Greetings from New York. I can offer you no insights except to say people are talking seriously about The Donald becoming the GOP's candidate.

    More importantly, I am exceptionally drunk.

    God Save The Queen.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Greetings from New York. I can offer you no insights except to say people are talking seriously about The Donald becoming the GOP's candidate.

    More importantly, I am exceptionally drunk.

    God Save The Queen.

    Welcome to God's own country - overseas division!
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,969
    Tim_B said:

    Greetings from New York. I can offer you no insights except to say people are talking seriously about The Donald becoming the GOP's candidate.

    More importantly, I am exceptionally drunk.

    God Save The Queen.

    Welcome to God's own country - overseas division!
    Didn't know that Yorkshire had an empire.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited October 2015
    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    Greetings from New York. I can offer you no insights except to say people are talking seriously about The Donald becoming the GOP's candidate.

    More importantly, I am exceptionally drunk.

    God Save The Queen.

    Welcome to God's own country - overseas division!
    Didn't know that Yorkshire had an empire.
    Yorkshire has no limits.....

    There are Tykes world wide
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929

    Greetings from New York. I can offer you no insights except to say people are talking seriously about The Donald becoming the GOP's candidate.

    More importantly, I am exceptionally drunk.

    God Save The Queen.

    Bloody Hell you seem to be in more places than I have hot dinners !
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    Tim_B said:

    Greetings from New York. I can offer you no insights except to say people are talking seriously about The Donald becoming the GOP's candidate.

    More importantly, I am exceptionally drunk.

    God Save The Queen.

    Welcome to God's own country - overseas division!

    I love the US. But no visa for me. We've tried, but it's impossible.

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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Tim_B said:

    LOA is my favorite movie. It is one of the most beautiful movies ever photographed. They spent almost 2 years in the desert shooting it. King Hussein of Jordan met his wife in the production office in Amman. It is (to my knowledge) the only movie made without a single female speaking part. Books have been written about it, and I have them. There was no CGI for any of those movies - if you see 1000 guys riding though the desert on camels, that's what they photographed. I am a T E Lawrence buff, I have to admit.

    Surely there must be lots of films with no women. Twelve Angry Men, perhaps?

    At junior school we had a teacher who'd known T E Lawrence between the wars, in the west country, and would tell us the occasional story, usually involving motorbikes. Oddly, I can't recall what the man actually taught (although primary education in those days was mainly the 3Rs in various guises).
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited October 2015

    Greetings from New York. I can offer you no insights except to say people are talking seriously about The Donald becoming the GOP's candidate.

    More importantly, I am exceptionally drunk.

    God Save The Queen.

    Have a walk on the High Line if you get time. They've recently opened a new section.
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,289
    Switch to Individual Voter Registration:

    Just seen Lord Tyler's speech - he said 415,000 of the 1.9m names are in London - that's 22% are in London.

    But London only has 73 out of 650 seats - ie 11% of seats.

    That is a very substantial skew = Bad news for Labour.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Tim_B said:

    LOA is my favorite movie. It is one of the most beautiful movies ever photographed. They spent almost 2 years in the desert shooting it. King Hussein of Jordan met his wife in the production office in Amman. It is (to my knowledge) the only movie made without a single female speaking part. Books have been written about it, and I have them. There was no CGI for any of those movies - if you see 1000 guys riding though the desert on camels, that's what they photographed. I am a T E Lawrence buff, I have to admit.

    Surely there must be lots of films with no women. Twelve Angry Men, perhaps?

    At junior school we had a teacher who'd known T E Lawrence between the wars, in the west country, and would tell us the occasional story, usually involving motorbikes. Oddly, I can't recall what the man actually taught (although primary education in those days was mainly the 3Rs in various guises).
    I retain my view - not a single speaking role for a female unless you prove me wrong.

    Yes, he had a thing for speed, particularly on his Brough Superior motorcycle, which eventually killed him.

    My father went to a Lowell Thomas lecture with his father and his benefactor in the Carchemish dig also funded my school chapel.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,969
    MikeL said:

    Switch to Individual Voter Registration:

    Just seen Lord Tyler's speech - he said 415,000 of the 1.9m names are in London - that's 22% are in London.

    But London only has 73 out of 650 seats - ie 11% of seats.

    That is a very substantial skew = Bad news for Labour.

    In all likelihood they aren't real people, given they have been contacted at least nine times already, with another three attempts before Christmas.
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    World series begins with freaky inside the park home run.
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    Saw this in my copy of the Radio Times & its on the site too - made me smirk:

    Jeremy Corbyn needs his bottom spanking says Game of Thrones star Diana Rigg
    The Labour leader will have a hard time sitting on any throne once Olenna Tyrell is through with him

    http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2015-10-26/jeremy-corbyn-needs-his-bottom-spanking-says-game-of-thrones-star-diana-rigg
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    This is going to raise a few hackles:

    "Chronic Fatigue Syndrome sufferers 'can overcome symptoms of ME with positive thinking and exercise'
    Oxford University has found ME is not actually a chronic illness"


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/11959193/Chronic-Fatigue-Syndrome-sufferers-can-overcome-symptoms-of-ME-with-positive-thinking-and-exercise.html
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    notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    AndyJS said:

    This is going to raise a few hackles:

    "Chronic Fatigue Syndrome sufferers 'can overcome symptoms of ME with positive thinking and exercise'
    Oxford University has found ME is not actually a chronic illness"


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/11959193/Chronic-Fatigue-Syndrome-sufferers-can-overcome-symptoms-of-ME-with-positive-thinking-and-exercise.html

    The offendotrons are going to be out in force.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,828
    Tim_B said:

    Tim_B said:

    LOA is my favorite movie....It is (to my knowledge) the only movie made without a single female speaking part.

    Surely there must be lots of films with no women. Twelve Angry Men, perhaps?.
    I retain my view - not a single speaking role for a female unless you prove me wrong.
    Ice Station Zebra
    The Thing (Carpenter's one, not the recent remake)
    The Bedford Incident

    Thee's a list here: http://www.funtrivia.com/askft/Question113480.html . But it includes
    10. Glengarry Glen Ross (1992)
    11. Reservoir Dogs (1992)

    - both of which do have (very) brief female speaking parts, IIRC
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    dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    edited October 2015
    Tim_B said:



    LOA is my favorite movie. It is one of the most beautiful movies ever photographed. They spent almost 2 years in the desert shooting it. King Hussein of Jordan met his wife in the production office in Amman. It is (to my knowledge) the only movie made without a single female speaking part. Books have been written about it, and I have them. There was no CGI for any of those movies - if you see 1000 guys riding though the desert on camels, that's what they photographed. I am a T E Lawrence buff, I have to admit.

    Ben Hur was a stunner for its time - the chariot race is breathtaking even today - it runs 20 minutes. Citizen Kane was a film school exercise in how to make a movie. They are all worth watching. Casablanca is also a classic. Get the DVDs and see what movie making is really all about.

    One of the very best things about classic movies such as these is the way the soundtracks are used. Not afraid of space and quiet. And not required to sound like a Dolby demonstration CD. Also pace. Trusting the viewer to be able to concentrate for more than 5 seconds.

    Having said that, looking forward to the new Star Wars as i can watch this good quality children's film with my 8 year old. (the 3 prequels were crap even for children's films. plotwise anyway. at least some of the action was good)
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    dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    AndyJS said:

    This is going to raise a few hackles:

    "Chronic Fatigue Syndrome sufferers 'can overcome symptoms of ME with positive thinking and exercise'
    Oxford University has found ME is not actually a chronic illness"


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/11959193/Chronic-Fatigue-Syndrome-sufferers-can-overcome-symptoms-of-ME-with-positive-thinking-and-exercise.html

    “They seem to think this research casts some doubt on the nature of the illness and implies that it is a mental illness and not a real illness,” he said.

    maybe slightly worrying that a doctor believes that a mental illness is not a real illness. Though, given the obvious ignorance of whoever wrote that article, I wouldn't be surprised if he is misquoted.
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    dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    "It was found that neither standard medical treatment, including medication to control pain, nausea and sleeping problems, nor “adaptive pacing therapy”, which helps patients adapt to their disabilities, had little long-term impact. "

    not even in English. Wonder if the DT would like to give me a job as science editor.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Tim_B said:

    Tim_B said:

    kle4 said:

    Tim_B said:

    kle4 said:

    Tim_B said:

    kle4 said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_P said:

    MP_SE said:

    The original movies were great entertaining movies, but there were not 2001, Lawrence of Arabia, Ben Hur, Citizen Kane, or Gone With The Wind.
    True enough - for starters, I've only seen one of those, because all anyone normally says about them is how classic they are, and not how they are good, or even if they are actually entertaining, so I've never really been motivated to watch them. Say what you will about Star Wars, and as I say that as someone who feels they get too much of a pass sometimes, it's fans usually take more effort to describe why it is good more broadly than those efforts. It reminds me of being at school and people feeling no interest in Shakespeare, because they hammered home analysis of how stupendous they were before people had a chance to enjoy them in the first place. in my school at least.
    Which one have you seen?
    Lawrence of Arabia. It was very good, I'll probably get around to other classics as well, eventually, I just feel no urgency to do so.

    Though of course the other problem is I've seen the big moments of most of the others parodied so many times, they may lose impact upon actually watching them.
    LOA is my favorite movie. It is one of the most beautiful movies ever photographed. They spent almost 2 years in the desert shooting it. King Hussein of Jordan met his wife in the production office in Amman. It is (to my knowledge) the only movie made without a single female speaking part. Books have been written about it, and I have them. There was no CGI for any of those movies - if you see 1000 guys riding though the desert on camels, that's what they photographed. I am a T E Lawrence buff, I have to admit.

    Ben Hur was a stunner for its time - the chariot race is breathtaking even today - it runs 20 minutes. Citizen Kane was a film school exercise in how to make a movie. They are all worth watching. Casablanca is also a classic. Get the DVDs and see what movie making is really all about.
    None of them are a patch on Airplane!
    Give me ham on 5 and hold the mayo.

    Don't call me Shirley.

    Roger Roger. What's your vector Victor?

    Looks like I picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue.
    A hospital? What is it doctor?
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,828
    MTimT said:

    A hospital? What is it doctor?

    It's a big building with patients, but that's not important right now...
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    dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    viewcode said:

    MTimT said:

    A hospital? What is it doctor?

    It's a big building with patients, but that's not important right now...
    see, Airplane parodied but rose above all those "Airport" movies right. But I have been wondering — what happened to the Bermuda triangle? I guess I should probably subscribe to the reader's digest to find out
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,035

    viewcode said:

    MTimT said:

    A hospital? What is it doctor?

    It's a big building with patients, but that's not important right now...
    see, Airplane parodied but rose above all those "Airport" movies right. But I have been wondering — what happened to the Bermuda triangle? I guess I should probably subscribe to the reader's digest to find out
    Lack of crashes within it because of modern tech.

    The Nevada Triangle seems to get the oddjobs wound up at the moment, seemingly only because a semi-famous person (Steve Fosssett) went missing there (although some of his remains were later found).
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    JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    AndyJS said:

    This is going to raise a few hackles:

    "Chronic Fatigue Syndrome sufferers 'can overcome symptoms of ME with positive thinking and exercise'
    Oxford University has found ME is not actually a chronic illness"


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/11959193/Chronic-Fatigue-Syndrome-sufferers-can-overcome-symptoms-of-ME-with-positive-thinking-and-exercise.html

    I can actually speak from experience on this as I suffer from chronic fatigue. This study does not surprise me at all, as I got out of my initial (and worse) bout of chronic fatigue as a teenager (which lasted about two years) through sheer will power and exercise. This, of course, doesn't mean it was never 'a real illness', as the exercise at that time was exhausting: I'd go for a ten minute run and feel like I'd done a 15k. And then the next day I'd want to just rest to recover, but that of course would send me back into chronic fatigue, so I'd have to force myself to get up and do another run. I'd feel more and more exhausted with every run, but eventually after about three weeks I started getting a bit more energy.

    The idea that this proves CFS isn't "chronic" is also complete cow's dung. I can be keeping the exercise regimen for a couple of years, but if I go through a period where I'm so busy with work and the kids that I don't exercise, it starts creeping back. My body will start telling me to go to bed around 8pm, and then I'll feel groggy even after 10 hours sleep. If I go two weeks without a proper exercise session, I'll be a mess. It's a constant struggle that I will never cure, but can only keep at bay. Still, compared to all the health difficulties that other people suffer from, I'm very lucky. With active proper management, I can do everything everyone else can, so I don't really complain about it and most people I don't even mention it to.
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    JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    Also, the Telegraph health writer does not know much about the topic if they think Chronic Fatigue and Mononucleosis are different names for the same thing. Mono is a proven infection that is demonstrated by a blood test. It has similar symptoms to CFS, and can often lead to its onset, but it clearly a different thing.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,898

    "It was found that neither standard medical treatment, including medication to control pain, nausea and sleeping problems, nor “adaptive pacing therapy”, which helps patients adapt to their disabilities, had little long-term impact. "

    not even in English. Wonder if the DT would like to give me a job as science editor.

    You're way too qualified to be a science editor. It's scary when reading on any technical subject of which one has some knowledge in contemporary newspapers - they all seem to be littered with basic errors which would have been caught if read by someone half knowledgable in the subject before it were published.
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    peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,875
    edited October 2015
    Carson remains a surprisingly generous 12/1 shot for the Republican nomination with Betfair's Sportsbook and well worth backing as a saver imho, should Rubio not prevail.
    For my money it will be one of these two.
    In Rubio's case I prefer backing him at 13/2 with Laddies to go all the way to the White House, as I simply don't see Hillary as being any sort of value at her current odds.
    As ever, DYOR.
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