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Conservatives have 13 point lead over Labour in new Sunday Mirror / Independent on Sunday Poll pic.twitter.com/zTgDXle97z
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Worst ever Labour leader ratings, 13% behind in poll as well.
But 13% government lead during an opposition leaders honeymoon period. Wow.
Oops - publicity!
@tom_ComRes: 2 in 3 Britons see Corbyn's Labour Party as divided. Compare: more think Cameron's Tories are united than divided
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CReDL0nXAAAC_j4.jpg
Interesting set of supplementaries from the IOS and the Mirror. All of them have lots of don't knows.
If marginal voters didn't like Miliband, then they will love Corbyn.
"Labour back benchers do not challenge their leaders no matter how pathetic, mental or just plain useless they are. I mean 200 of them voted for McDonnell and Corbyn's completely incoherent position just this week."
SLAB followed their leadership over the cliff with barely a dissenting voice. Nick still gives an interesting insight into how these people think. It is hopeless.
Only ill health or a collapse of confidence on the part of Corbyn himself is going to change this.
Work to be done there. Should be at least 30.
That said, given the "would lead to economic chaos" answer, those who aren't in the Corbyn/McDonnell camp are very firmly against them.
By contrast, 57% either agree with the government on tax credits or are neutral / don't know. That's enough. You'll never persuade everyone and realistically, you don't need to.
It's not though. It's a government's post-election honeymoon period.
Can’t remember this question ever being asked of previous party leaders - Is it a JC special..?
or the 19 point economically trusted lead?
The Tory activists like Marquee Mark, Notme and myself who were out there were seeing the Ed Miliband drag factor out there, whilst twitter was jizzing itself inside out over the Milifandom.
Edit: Also Corbyn will get a boost when Russell Brand endorses him.
Con 41 and Lab 39
Any other leader of any party bar would've been forced out for just one or two of them - Jezza has coffins worth and somehow it's just reset the unacceptable limbo bar to under the barrel.
I honestly can't comprehend it. Even being found in bed with a dead boy wouldn't change things. Watson would find a way to blame Murdoch for it.
What they are really saying is that they don't like the Tories, they really don't like the Tories and they will vote for anyone else who can stop them. That hostility runs deep and it gives Labour a base for as long as they are the principal opposition. Of course in Scotland that is no longer the case.
On the state of the Labour Party:
United: 16%
Divided: 64%
(via ComRes / 14 - 15 Oct)
Stockholm syndrome can be seen as a form of traumatic bonding, which does not necessarily require a hostage scenario, but which describes "strong emotional ties that develop between two persons where one person intermittently harasses, beats, threatens, abuses, or intimidates the other." One commonly used hypothesis to explain the effect of Stockholm syndrome is based on Freudian theory. It suggests that the bonding is the individual's response to trauma in becoming a victim. Identifying with the aggressor is one way that the ego defends itself. When a victim believes the same values as the aggressor, they cease to be perceived as a threat.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome
If this poll is 'right' then Labour plus every Green and Lib Dem vote still leaves the party behind the Cons tonight
If Jeremy Corbyn became PM, 42% of Conservatives and 39% of UKIP would support a military coup.
So we're in stellar company
(*OK technically they were the least inaccurate)
He is talking about it in terms of risk management for the Tories.
Politically, there is no need for them to be carrying a thumping majority of the country on this issue. But they do need to make sure it doesn't blow up on them.
This isn't a great poll, but there's an argument (which David is making) that this is decent enough.
He is very very far from saying "if I count don't knows as agreement, then the country agrees with this". As one of the more analytical posters on here, as well as one of the best informed and most in-touch, it would be silly to discount or misrepresent what David says on the grounds it some kind of wishfully-thought slavering Tory fanboy whitewash.
But, I do think some European countries may be closer.
If first impressions count then Corbyn is fecked for 2020.
Yep, 60%.
And there are 7% of Lib Dems who didn't defect to Labour or the Greens.
I think we're the epitome of keep calm and carry on and laugh at the extremists.
I still think the way Wodehouse destroyed Spode and thus Mosley is the way we deal with extremists before they get anywhere near power, no need for coups then.
85% of the electorate do not get tax credits.
When it comes to the crunch though the more sensible realise that Labour will never be economically competent and that's going to be hard to overcome. Labour can promise as much as they like but they will always go back to normal and people know it. It is a circle they cannot close and only a complete collapse in the countries economics is likely to propel Labour any where near government.
In essence Labour have to hope for such a catastrophe to happen to the country to get into power but the very fact a catastrophe has happened they would be the very least likely to be able to deal with it.
TINA as a former Tory leader used to say.
In the UK at least.
It's why NPXMPMPMPXX and others are supporting Corbyn: they never really lost their ideology, however perverted and twisted that ideology is.
It's why leftists can go around saying - and excusing - all the things we have seen and heard recently, such as the spitting. It's okay because their hideous and bankrupt (in every sense of the term) ideology allows it.
Instead, he's invisible.
(Annoyed as I backed him for leader two or three years ago, and I'm starting to fear I was wrong).
An Election Day poll also found a plurality of people saying they thought a Miliband government should cut spending/the deficit slower than they planned to (39% said slower, compared to 34% who said they should do it quicker than they planned), at the very same time they said they didn't trust Labour to run the economy. This was a poll which correctly predicted the election outcome.
http://www.gqrr.com/uk-post-election-2
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/rugby-union/event?id=27567319
Or perhaps they are not goldfish and can remember back a few years.
Anyway, good to see a fellow member of the Commonwealth drubbing the cheese-eating surrender monkeys...
Tory majority of 64
Con 357, Lab 208, Lib Dems 6, UKIP 1, Greens , SNP 55,
"Tories in their first few months in government alone have shown how very ideological they are; with this awfully simplistic view that anything related to the private sector is amazing and wonderful, and anything related to the state is awful and needs to be shredded."
Rubbish. Absolute, utter rubbish.
But if you believe that, then surely you must also believe that Labour are showing how very ideological they are; with this awfully simplistic view that anything related to the private sector needs to be shredded, and anything related to the state is amazing and wonderful ?
I rest my case.
The final is likely to be a test of the Australian defensive skills against the New Zealand attacking ones.
Ugh
Must be an outlier
Plus of course the way they moved the ball to the wing. Clearly they are going to be using the high ball to try to destroy the fullback or any other poor soul under it. Wingers watch out.