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  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    Floater said:

    TGOHF said:

    Fair article from a Frenchie in the Guardian - the Euro is weak due to the Uk....er...


    Europe is dying from it. The most recent elections have confirmed this. Even the euro, the only policy that you could not block, yet whose rules you were involved in writing, and which therefore bear your influence, remains weak and suffers from the lack of oversight that you were able to make sure would prevail across the EU.


    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/06/french-message-britain-get-out-european-union?CMP=share_btn_tw

    Somehow it just had to be our fault :-)
    I have not read it but it sounds like he is moaning because there is not enough central control of the eurozone and its monetary rules.
    It does look to me as there would be a lot of support for what would effectively be UK associate status. Something a step above the EEA.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    The numbers in yesterday's ICM had Corby picking up 800,000 LibGreens while losing 1.8m Labour voters.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    chestnut said:

    The numbers in yesterday's ICM had Corby picking up 800,000 LibGreens while losing 1.8m Labour voters.

    How does that show an increase in vote share from GE 2015?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,597

    Richard Harrington sparked anger from MPs
    The Tory Minister charged with welcoming Syrian refugees to Britain has refused to reveal how many have arrived.

    Richard Harrington admitted he knew but would not disclose the figure to MPs.

    Well, that's not suspicious at all. Either a lot better or a lot worse (depending on perspective) than expected?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @HTScotPol: Second indyref debate CANCELLED at the SNP conference over MP Michelle Thomson connection http://t.co/Fbw6GuuHud
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Tomorrow in parliament there will be a vote on George Osborne's "Charter" of cuts.

    Here are 5 things everyone should know about it and why Labour will be voting against it:

    1. It commits every government to running a budget surplus in normal times from 2019 onwards. However since 2010, he has missed his own deficit targets and changing the law won't help him to do any better.

    2. Effectively it is a big political stunt from George Osborne so that he has an excuse to keep making ideologically-driven cuts.

    3. But it's a dangerous stunt because if the Charter is followed to the letter it binds the hands of future governments, making it illegal to borrow money for investment in infrastructure or housing, even at times when investment would lead to faster economic growth.

    4. In fact, the best way to reduce the deficit now is to invest to grow our economy. It’s for this reason that most economists disagreed with George Osborne’s cuts.

    5. It could also force a government to keep making cuts, irrespective of the impact they have on public services and working families.

    It is crucial that we reduce the deficit, and Labour takes this mission seriously, but it must never be on the backs of the most vulnerable, or at the cost of the key public services we all rely on.

    Join the fight for a fairer Britain

    150,000 people have already joined our party since the election, ready to stand with us to oppose this government and fight for the Labour values of fairness, equality and social justice.

    Every new member makes our party stronger. Will you be the next one to join us? It takes just two minutes.

    It is such a transparently stupid law that one wonders why it was Labour Party policy to support it until yesterday!
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    On the day of the first Democratic party debate, Fox News has helpfully published it's poll that shows Trump beating Clinton in the largest republican victory since 1988 and Carson beating Clinton in the largest landslide since 1984.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/10/13/fox-news-poll-biden-more-electable-than-clinton/

    Trump 45 (previous 42)
    Hillary 40 (46)

    Carson 50 (41)
    Hillary 39 (46)

    Killer statistic, men hate Hillary (I predicted that would happen by 2020 not 2016 though):

    Trump 52
    Hillary 32

    Carson 57
    Hillary 33

    But remember, this is a Fox News poll.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Seems another family from Bradford has decided that Syria is a better place to bring up a 5 year old.

  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    Tomorrow in parliament there will be a vote on George Osborne's "Charter" of cuts.

    Here are 5 things everyone should know about it and why Labour will be voting against it:

    1. It commits every government to running a budget surplus in normal times from 2019 onwards. However since 2010, he has missed his own deficit targets and changing the law won't help him to do any better.

    2. Effectively it is a big political stunt from George Osborne so that he has an excuse to keep making ideologically-driven cuts.

    3. But it's a dangerous stunt because if the Charter is followed to the letter it binds the hands of future governments, making it illegal to borrow money for investment in infrastructure or housing, even at times when investment would lead to faster economic growth.

    4. In fact, the best way to reduce the deficit now is to invest to grow our economy. It’s for this reason that most economists disagreed with George Osborne’s cuts.

    5. It could also force a government to keep making cuts, irrespective of the impact they have on public services and working families.

    It is crucial that we reduce the deficit, and Labour takes this mission seriously, but it must never be on the backs of the most vulnerable, or at the cost of the key public services we all rely on.

    Join the fight for a fairer Britain

    150,000 people have already joined our party since the election, ready to stand with us to oppose this government and fight for the Labour values of fairness, equality and social justice.

    Every new member makes our party stronger. Will you be the next one to join us? It takes just two minutes.

    It is such a transparently stupid law that one wonders why it was Labour Party policy to support it until yesterday!
    Fair point well made
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341

    chestnut said:

    The numbers in yesterday's ICM had Corby picking up 800,000 LibGreens while losing 1.8m Labour voters.

    How does that show an increase in vote share from GE 2015?
    I honestly don't know. It seems totally illogical.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    kle4 said:

    Richard Harrington sparked anger from MPs
    The Tory Minister charged with welcoming Syrian refugees to Britain has refused to reveal how many have arrived.

    Richard Harrington admitted he knew but would not disclose the figure to MPs.

    Well, that's not suspicious at all. Either a lot better or a lot worse (depending on perspective) than expected?
    He could have said a lot.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    Tomorrow in parliament there will be a vote on George Osborne's "Charter" of cuts.

    Here are 5 things everyone should know about it and why Labour will be voting against it:

    1. It commits every government to running a budget surplus in normal times from 2019 onwards. However since 2010, he has missed his own deficit targets and changing the law won't help him to do any better.

    2. Effectively it is a big political stunt from George Osborne so that he has an excuse to keep making ideologically-driven cuts.

    3. But it's a dangerous stunt because if the Charter is followed to the letter it binds the hands of future governments, making it illegal to borrow money for investment in infrastructure or housing, even at times when investment would lead to faster economic growth.

    4. In fact, the best way to reduce the deficit now is to invest to grow our economy. It’s for this reason that most economists disagreed with George Osborne’s cuts.

    5. It could also force a government to keep making cuts, irrespective of the impact they have on public services and working families.

    It is crucial that we reduce the deficit, and Labour takes this mission seriously, but it must never be on the backs of the most vulnerable, or at the cost of the key public services we all rely on.

    Join the fight for a fairer Britain

    150,000 people have already joined our party since the election, ready to stand with us to oppose this government and fight for the Labour values of fairness, equality and social justice.

    Every new member makes our party stronger. Will you be the next one to join us? It takes just two minutes.

    It is such a transparently stupid law that one wonders why it was Labour Party policy to support it until yesterday!
    Awaits Richard N to tell us this is the best piece of Legislation since Lansleys HSC Bill
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,225
    edited October 2015
    Not a tip as such, more an interesting observation, but I see that you can get 80-1 with BWIN (though only 18-1 on Betfair) on Ronald Koeman to be the next PL manager to leave his post. He was supposed to get the Dutch job this time but they went back to Hiddink. That has been a spectacular disaster and I guess that Guus will be on his way out shortly.

    How long the Dutch take to appoint a new manager is unknown, but I'd have thought the job would be Koeman's - if he wants it.

    EDIT: Apparently Daley Blind is the new man!
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,746
    edited October 2015
    Scott_P said:

    @HTScotPol: Second indyref debate CANCELLED at the SNP conference over MP Michelle Thomson connection http://t.co/Fbw6GuuHud

    "You'd have to have a heart of stone not to laugh."

    Attributed to one O Wilde

    The gathering sounds a good idea, by the way.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,538
    Another entry in the annals of stupidity:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34519334

    Although it still ranks below Labour electing Corbyn as leader.
  • Floater said:

    Seems another family from Bradford has decided that Syria is a better place to bring up a 5 year old.

    1 in 1 out would be a good refugee policy.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,928

    Another entry in the annals of stupidity:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34519334

    Although it still ranks below Labour electing Corbyn as leader.

    It's always Florida!
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    tlg86 said:

    Not a tip as such, more an interesting observation, but I see that you can get 80-1 with BWIN (though only 18-1 on Betfair) on Ronald Koeman to be the next PL manager to leave his post. He was supposed to get the Dutch job this time but they went back to Hiddink. That has been a spectacular disaster and I guess that Guus will be on his way out shortly.

    How long the Dutch take to appoint a new manager is unknown, but I'd have thought the job would be Koeman's - if he wants it.

    EDIT: Apparently Daley Blind is the new man!

    His dad, Danny actually

    Mind you they're 3-1 down at home to the 10 man Czech Rep...

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @hopisen: Ah @OwenJones84 sees iceberg & knows where lifeboats used to be, but can't admit captain & navigator are useless yet https://t.co/9HDjcUHLZw
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited October 2015
    Scott_P said:

    @hopisen: Ah @OwenJones84 sees iceberg & knows where lifeboats used to be, but can't admit captain & navigator are useless yet https://t.co/9HDjcUHLZw

    Interesting reply from Labour councillor!

    Cllr David McMeekan ‏@CllrCulleroats · 1h1 hour ago
    @guardian
    London terrorist supporting Marxist scum like Corbyn McDonnell & Abbot need to be replaced ASAP Our communities need victory

  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,572

    chestnut said:

    The numbers in yesterday's ICM had Corby picking up 800,000 LibGreens while losing 1.8m Labour voters.

    How does that show an increase in vote share from GE 2015?
    Chestnut absent-mindedly forgot to mention the equal proportion of Tories switching to Labour (6%) as vice versa.
  • MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    edited October 2015


    Hamas are fine and dandy, as are Hezbollah and Iran. The Saudis however are beyond the pale and not our friends. I am glad we got that straight.

    Something that winds me up something chronic about Hamas: they moan and whine and act all outraged every time someone accuses or designates them as "terrorist". When the EU's General Court ruled that Hamas should be removed from the terror blacklist on procedural grounds, we were treated to this kind of PR guff:

    The court’s decision answered a 2010 legal challenge by Hamas that argued the terrorist designation had not followed due process and violated human rights law as the organisation is “a legitimate elected government” in the Palestinian territories. ...

    Speaking before the court published its decision, Hamas spokesperson Sami Abu Zuhri responded said his organisation “looks forward to seeing the EU removing it from the terror list to correct the political mistake committed by the decision to include it".

    “The inclusion of Hamas in the terror list was a big mistake that was unfair for the Palestinian people,” he told Anadolu Agency (AA). “Hamas is a Palestinian resistance movement and its activity is limited to resisting the [Israeli] occupation, which is a right enshrined in all international laws.”
    But when an Israeli couple's car was ambushed and they were shot dead in front of their four young children, we get a quite different kind of announcement:
    The Palestinian militant organisation Hamas, which is dominant in Gaza, said "we bless the killing of settlers in the West Bank".

    Spokesman Husam Badran said: "We call on our people in the West Bank to carry out more quality operations like the [one] today. This is the only solution which is supported by the masses of our people everywhere."
    And then their clearly well-funded and flashy media departments comes up with this sort of ****ed up, brutal, utterly racist (imagine submitting this vid for a diversity award!) ****: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/10/07/disturbing-hamas-video-uses-graphic-blow-by-blow-stabbing-attack-to-encourage-the-killing-of-jews/

    Oh, and then this kind of handy "how to stab someone to death" guide: http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/12/28/after-failed-attack-in-jerusalem-hamas-releases-‘how-to-stab-jews’-clip-video/#

    Because this is the kind of thing “a legitimate elected government” does, and the right to exterminate a population, one civilian by one, is "a right enshrined in all international laws": anyway, such a methodology is valid because such killings are "high quality", and "supported by the masses everywhere".
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341

    chestnut said:

    The numbers in yesterday's ICM had Corby picking up 800,000 LibGreens while losing 1.8m Labour voters.

    How does that show an increase in vote share from GE 2015?
    Chestnut absent-mindedly forgot to mention the equal proportion of Tories switching to Labour (6%) as vice versa.
    Would you like to translate that into a real number?

    A mere 120,000 according to my fag packet arithmetic.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,517

    Bavaria threatening to take the German Federal Government to the constitutional court over immigration

    http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/fluechtlingskrise/fluechtlingsstrom-begrenzen-wenn-berlin-nichts-tut-will-bayern-klagen-13855023.html
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903

    Tomorrow in parliament there will be a vote on George Osborne's "Charter" of cuts.

    Here are 5 things everyone should know about it and why Labour will be voting against it:

    1. It commits every government to running a budget surplus in normal times from 2019 onwards. However since 2010, he has missed his own deficit targets and changing the law won't help him to do any better.

    2. Effectively it is a big political stunt from George Osborne so that he has an excuse to keep making ideologically-driven cuts.

    3. But it's a dangerous stunt because if the Charter is followed to the letter it binds the hands of future governments, making it illegal to borrow money for investment in infrastructure or housing, even at times when investment would lead to faster economic growth.

    4. In fact, the best way to reduce the deficit now is to invest to grow our economy. It’s for this reason that most economists disagreed with George Osborne’s cuts.

    5. It could also force a government to keep making cuts, irrespective of the impact they have on public services and working families.

    It is crucial that we reduce the deficit, and Labour takes this mission seriously, but it must never be on the backs of the most vulnerable, or at the cost of the key public services we all rely on.

    Join the fight for a fairer Britain

    150,000 people have already joined our party since the election, ready to stand with us to oppose this government and fight for the Labour values of fairness, equality and social justice.

    Every new member makes our party stronger. Will you be the next one to join us? It takes just two minutes.

    It is such a transparently stupid law that one wonders why it was Labour Party policy to support it until yesterday!
    You have just replied to a transparently stupid piece of corbynite propaganda
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    The CPS has released a statement saying it did not ask the police to reopen the investigation as a result of Mr Watson's letter.
    It said it had forwarded Mr Watson's letter to the Metropolitan Police, saying this was normal practice, and that Lord Brittan had already been interviewed by the Met by the time it received the letter.
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    edited October 2015
    Deleted due to story being old...
  • The CPS has released a statement saying it did not ask the police to reopen the investigation as a result of Mr Watson's letter.
    It said it had forwarded Mr Watson's letter to the Metropolitan Police, saying this was normal practice, and that Lord Brittan had already been interviewed by the Met by the time it received the letter.

    Yes - but what went on between Watson and the Met and why were interviews allegedly conducting in his House of Commons Office
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    All Mr Watson had to do was apologise, rather than just concede he made a mistake, over regurgitating the claim that Lord Brittan was “as close to evil as a human being could get”. He is no longer a credible MP; he has turned into the aggressor — a man who has caused an injustice rather than rooted one out. He has embarrassed his party with his cruel disregard for another man’s reputation. He has misused his privileges as a parliamentarian. He may even have stopped police from focusing on urgent, current abuse cases with his insistence on their concentrating obsessively on the past.

    I have no hope that he will stand down as an MP but, if he realised the enormity of the damage he has caused, he would do so.
    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/columnists/article4584992.ece
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    A Brief History of Seven Killings by Marlon James is the Booker Prize winner.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-34511049
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,755

    Richard Harrington sparked anger from MPs
    The Tory Minister charged with welcoming Syrian refugees to Britain has refused to reveal how many have arrived.

    Richard Harrington admitted he knew but would not disclose the figure to MPs.

    That's interesting.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Newspapers are often derided as comics. Tomorrow this is literally true for one:

    @JamieRoss7: I see The National is offering readers the chance to colour in the SNP's 55 MPs. http://t.co/hw2lS48rlO
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Seems like May and Hammond (the politicians not the top gear presenters) are angry w Cam and Gove over the Saudi deal. Meanwhile...

    https://twitter.com/guidofawkes/status/654038660610809856
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    antifrank said:

    Newspapers are often derided as comics. Tomorrow this is literally true for one:

    @JamieRoss7: I see The National is offering readers the chance to colour in the SNP's 55 MPs. http://t.co/hw2lS48rlO

    Remember to put a big red cross over Michelle Thomson...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,003

    The CPS has released a statement saying it did not ask the police to reopen the investigation as a result of Mr Watson's letter.
    It said it had forwarded Mr Watson's letter to the Metropolitan Police, saying this was normal practice, and that Lord Brittan had already been interviewed by the Met by the time it received the letter.

    Yes - but what went on between Watson and the Met and why were interviews allegedly conducting in his House of Commons Office
    There are more questions than answers....
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Decent headline for LEAVE in the Telegraph

    https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/654036768480735237
  • The CPS has released a statement saying it did not ask the police to reopen the investigation as a result of Mr Watson's letter.
    It said it had forwarded Mr Watson's letter to the Metropolitan Police, saying this was normal practice, and that Lord Brittan had already been interviewed by the Met by the time it received the letter.

    Yes - but what went on between Watson and the Met and why were interviews allegedly conducting in his House of Commons Office
    There are more questions than answers....
    The select committee next Wednesday should be interesting - unlikely the Tory members will let him off quietly
  • AndyJS said:

    A Brief History of Seven Killings by Marlon James is the Booker Prize winner.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-34511049

    I am disappointed - I thought my local bus company's timetable was the best work of fiction.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    The select committee next Wednesday should be interesting - unlikely the Tory members will let him off quietly

    @MrHarryCole: Two barristers and a former solicitor on the Tory side of the Home Affairs Select Committee. Squeaky bum time...
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Michael Heaver @Michael_Heaver

    Nothing to fear from #Brexit says Chairman of Lloyds Banking Group http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/11929853/No-compelling-arguments-for-staying-in-EU-without-major-reform-Lloyds-chairman-says.html


    Retweeted by Douglas Carswell MP
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,095
  • isam said:

    Decent headline for LEAVE in the Telegraph

    https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/654036768480735237

    Very good headline if it happens though shows how far the Out campaign has to go that the idea of a business leader backing Brexit is a threat. It wouldn't be such a shock currently for a business leader to back Remain. If Leave can get a lot of serious business people behind them then this could be much closer than I expected. Still a long way to go yet and a lot of time left.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,095
    Speedy said:

    On the day of the first Democratic party debate, Fox News has helpfully published it's poll that shows Trump beating Clinton in the largest republican victory since 1988 and Carson beating Clinton in the largest landslide since 1984.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/10/13/fox-news-poll-biden-more-electable-than-clinton/

    Trump 45 (previous 42)
    Hillary 40 (46)

    Carson 50 (41)
    Hillary 39 (46)

    Killer statistic, men hate Hillary (I predicted that would happen by 2020 not 2016 though):

    Trump 52
    Hillary 32

    Carson 57
    Hillary 33

    But remember, this is a Fox News poll.

    The same poll shows Biden beating Trump 50% to 37% and Carson 46% to 42%
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/10/13/fox-news-poll-biden-more-electable-than-clinton/
  • isam said:

    Decent headline for LEAVE in the Telegraph

    https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/654036768480735237

    Very good headline if it happens though shows how far the Out campaign has to go that the idea of a business leader backing Brexit is a threat. It wouldn't be such a shock currently for a business leader to back Remain. If Leave can get a lot of serious business people behind them then this could be much closer than I expected. Still a long way to go yet and a lot of time left.
    Far too early for most and will become a turn off to many. Only when David Cameron makes an announcement on the re-negotiations will it become relevant to most and if, and it's a big if, he says leave that really would put the cat amongst the pidgeons
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,095

    Another flipping Corbyn u-turn, why doesn't he just go and join the Tories

    Corbyn signals Labour could support military action in Syria without UN support

    Hilary Benn sets out in Guardian article party’s more flexible approach if Russia were to block security council resolution

    http://bit.ly/1NEYPRF

    That is Benn not Corbyn and McDonnell today has just u-turned to the left to oppose Osborne's surplus fiscal rule
  • HYUFD said:

    Another flipping Corbyn u-turn, why doesn't he just go and join the Tories

    Corbyn signals Labour could support military action in Syria without UN support

    Hilary Benn sets out in Guardian article party’s more flexible approach if Russia were to block security council resolution

    http://bit.ly/1NEYPRF

    That is Benn not Corbyn and McDonnell today has just u-turned to the left to oppose Osborne's surplus fiscal rule
    One word for labour - shambles
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,095

    chestnut said:

    The numbers in yesterday's ICM had Corby picking up 800,000 LibGreens while losing 1.8m Labour voters.

    How does that show an increase in vote share from GE 2015?
    It had him picking up 20% of LDs, 38% of Greens, 11% of nationalists and 9% from UKIP, he lost 6% to the Tories but gained 6% from them too so your figures look wrong
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    On the day of the first Democratic party debate, Fox News has helpfully published it's poll that shows Trump beating Clinton in the largest republican victory since 1988 and Carson beating Clinton in the largest landslide since 1984.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/10/13/fox-news-poll-biden-more-electable-than-clinton/

    Trump 45 (previous 42)
    Hillary 40 (46)

    Carson 50 (41)
    Hillary 39 (46)

    Killer statistic, men hate Hillary (I predicted that would happen by 2020 not 2016 though):

    Trump 52
    Hillary 32

    Carson 57
    Hillary 33

    But remember, this is a Fox News poll.

    The same poll shows Biden beating Trump 50% to 37% and Carson 46% to 42%
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/10/13/fox-news-poll-biden-more-electable-than-clinton/
    If - when - Biden announces his numbers will drop significantly. Biden will never be more popular than the day he announces.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,095
    edited October 2015
    isam said:

    Seems like May and Hammond (the politicians not the top gear presenters) are angry w Cam and Gove over the Saudi deal. Meanwhile...

    https://twitter.com/guidofawkes/status/654038660610809856

    Kawczynski is openly bisexual, if he went to Saudi Arabia and practised his preferences he may well find himself facing the lash, he may not be so sympathetic then
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,780

    It's a depressing comment on British politics that a major change in policy toward Saudi Arabia is debated here ENTIRELY in terms of which British politician should get most credit for it.

    In a micro way, it's like the argument over the NI peace process. Major made a start, Blair completed it. Credit to both of them.

    (FPT) Maybe but what is more depressing is that HM opposition didn't get a look-in/mention/anything during the BBC 10pm News on the U-turn tonight. I hardly watch it at all nowadays, tonight was a rare exception and it just reminded me why I really shouldn't waste my time. To get a rounded and comprehensive view on pretty well anything nowadays it's necessary to resort to looking at reports from a variety of newspapers via Google News.





  • The thing I find most chilling about the Hamas "let's all slaughter two Jews in the street" video is how generalisable it is, despite the simplistically stereotypical depiction of its victims (or in Hamas parlance, "legitimate targets").

    I mean, they're just racist caricatures of Jews, could've been fresh out of Nazi propaganda school. There's a whole lot of hate in there. You could just as well as direct it against pretty much anyone, or anything, so long as you can find a sufficiently spiteful way to classify and stereotype them.

    How easy is it to mentally re-run that video in London? There are plenty of orthodox Jews here. And thousands of angry young British Muslims who are going to have shared that stuff on Facebook. I know otherwise perfectly well-adjusted young Muslims who hate, hate, HATE "the Jews", and it doesn't help they get so much of their news from social media. Years and years of one-sided coverage they've got leaves views it's practically impossible to shift. A copycat attack here looms almost inevitably if this crisis continues. But there's no clear reason for it to stop at that, if the focus of the hate moves on.

    Recast that clip with two hipsters walking down the backstreets of Shoreditch, carrying a prohibited case of alcohol. Stuck-up bastards must be stopped from thinking they run the place. Duly terminated.

    Or two gay men holding hands in Soho. Filthy violation of the Law of God. Duly cleansed.

    Or a group of WAGs partying their way across Chelsea. Immodest, immoral, their five-star lifestyle must come to its end.

    Or a couple of Ahmadis, on their way home from not-really-prayers at their not-really-a-mosque in Lahore (or South London). Heretics must learn their betrayal of the prophet comes at a price.

    It could be anybody. Two Tories in Manchester. Some service vets at memorial day, or walking round Woolwich. Atheists in Dhaka. Cartoonists in Denmark or Paris. Anyone at all you could conceivably get angry against, because they don't follow some code of behaviour that you consider mandatory for all mankind, and whose existence in some way offends you.

    And because they won't negotiate their lifestyles away, there can be no compromise. Our fundamental rights and the sacred laws that govern this universe are being violated. The only solution is these high quality operations. And the masses of the people everywhere are angry - the people that count, that is, the "good" people, our people - and their anger legitimises our resistance.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,095
    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    On the day of the first Democratic party debate, Fox News has helpfully published it's poll that shows Trump beating Clinton in the largest republican victory since 1988 and Carson beating Clinton in the largest landslide since 1984.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/10/13/fox-news-poll-biden-more-electable-than-clinton/

    Trump 45 (previous 42)
    Hillary 40 (46)

    Carson 50 (41)
    Hillary 39 (46)

    Killer statistic, men hate Hillary (I predicted that would happen by 2020 not 2016 though):

    Trump 52
    Hillary 32

    Carson 57
    Hillary 33

    But remember, this is a Fox News poll.

    The same poll shows Biden beating Trump 50% to 37% and Carson 46% to 42%
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/10/13/fox-news-poll-biden-more-electable-than-clinton/
    If - when - Biden announces his numbers will drop significantly. Biden will never be more popular than the day he announces.
    Maybe, maybe not, certainly he has a real chance on present polling with Hillary at her most vulnerable and the GOP field dominated by Trump and Carson
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,095

    HYUFD said:

    Another flipping Corbyn u-turn, why doesn't he just go and join the Tories

    Corbyn signals Labour could support military action in Syria without UN support

    Hilary Benn sets out in Guardian article party’s more flexible approach if Russia were to block security council resolution

    http://bit.ly/1NEYPRF

    That is Benn not Corbyn and McDonnell today has just u-turned to the left to oppose Osborne's surplus fiscal rule
    One word for labour - shambles
    Well that is true
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    edited October 2015
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Another flipping Corbyn u-turn, why doesn't he just go and join the Tories

    Corbyn signals Labour could support military action in Syria without UN support

    Hilary Benn sets out in Guardian article party’s more flexible approach if Russia were to block security council resolution

    http://bit.ly/1NEYPRF

    That is Benn not Corbyn and McDonnell today has just u-turned to the left to oppose Osborne's surplus fiscal rule
    One word for labour - shambles
    Well that is true
    Perhaps they should bring out a song ... How about " things can only get better"

    It would be a porkie pie of course but still... never mind heh?
  • The thing I find most chilling about the Hamas "let's all slaughter two Jews in the street" video is how generalisable it is, despite the simplistically stereotypical depiction of its victims (or in Hamas parlance, "legitimate targets").

    I mean, they're just racist caricatures of Jews, could've been fresh out of Nazi propaganda school. There's a whole lot of hate in there. You could just as well as direct it against pretty much anyone, or anything, so long as you can find a sufficiently spiteful way to classify and stereotype them.

    How easy is it to mentally re-run that video in London? There are plenty of orthodox Jews here. And thousands of angry young British Muslims who are going to have shared that stuff on Facebook. I know otherwise perfectly well-adjusted young Muslims who hate, hate, HATE "the Jews", and it doesn't help they get so much of their news from social media. Years and years of one-sided coverage they've got leaves views it's practically impossible to shift. A copycat attack here looms almost inevitably if this crisis continues. But there's no clear reason for it to stop at that, if the focus of the hate moves on.

    Recast that clip with two hipsters walking down the backstreets of Shoreditch, carrying a prohibited case of alcohol. Stuck-up bastards must be stopped from thinking they run the place. Duly terminated.

    Or two gay men holding hands in Soho. Filthy violation of the Law of God. Duly cleansed.

    Or a group of WAGs partying their way across Chelsea. Immodest, immoral, their five-star lifestyle must come to its end.

    Or a couple of Ahmadis, on their way home from not-really-prayers at their not-really-a-mosque in Lahore (or South London). Heretics must learn their betrayal of the prophet comes at a price.

    It could be anybody. Two Tories in Manchester. Some service vets at memorial day, or walking round Woolwich. Atheists in Dhaka. Cartoonists in Denmark or Paris. Anyone at all you could conceivably get angry against, because they don't follow some code of behaviour that you consider mandatory for all mankind, and whose existence in some way offends you.

    And because they won't negotiate their lifestyles away, there can be no compromise. Our fundamental rights and the sacred laws that govern this universe are being violated. The only solution is these high quality operations. And the masses of the people everywhere are angry - the people that count, that is, the "good" people, our people - and their anger legitimises our resistance.

    Very well put

  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    On the day of the first Democratic party debate, Fox News has helpfully published it's poll that shows Trump beating Clinton in the largest republican victory since 1988 and Carson beating Clinton in the largest landslide since 1984.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/10/13/fox-news-poll-biden-more-electable-than-clinton/

    Trump 45 (previous 42)
    Hillary 40 (46)

    Carson 50 (41)
    Hillary 39 (46)

    Killer statistic, men hate Hillary (I predicted that would happen by 2020 not 2016 though):

    Trump 52
    Hillary 32

    Carson 57
    Hillary 33

    But remember, this is a Fox News poll.

    The same poll shows Biden beating Trump 50% to 37% and Carson 46% to 42%
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/10/13/fox-news-poll-biden-more-electable-than-clinton/
    If - when - Biden announces his numbers will drop significantly. Biden will never be more popular than the day he announces.
    Maybe, maybe not, certainly he has a real chance on present polling with Hillary at her most vulnerable and the GOP field dominated by Trump and Carson
    Agreed, but his numbers will drop when he announces. Everyone's do.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,095
    Moses_ said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Another flipping Corbyn u-turn, why doesn't he just go and join the Tories

    Corbyn signals Labour could support military action in Syria without UN support

    Hilary Benn sets out in Guardian article party’s more flexible approach if Russia were to block security council resolution

    http://bit.ly/1NEYPRF

    That is Benn not Corbyn and McDonnell today has just u-turned to the left to oppose Osborne's surplus fiscal rule
    One word for labour - shambles
    Well that is true
    Perhaps they should bring out a song ... How about " things can only get better"

    It would be a porkie pie of course but still... never mind heh?
    I think Corbyn and McDonnell are quite happy with the Red Flag at the moment
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,095
    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    On the day of the first Democratic party debate, Fox News has helpfully published it's poll that shows Trump beating Clinton in the largest republican victory since 1988 and Carson beating Clinton in the largest landslide since 1984.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/10/13/fox-news-poll-biden-more-electable-than-clinton/

    Trump 45 (previous 42)
    Hillary 40 (46)

    Carson 50 (41)
    Hillary 39 (46)

    Killer statistic, men hate Hillary (I predicted that would happen by 2020 not 2016 though):

    Trump 52
    Hillary 32

    Carson 57
    Hillary 33

    But remember, this is a Fox News poll.

    The same poll shows Biden beating Trump 50% to 37% and Carson 46% to 42%
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/10/13/fox-news-poll-biden-more-electable-than-clinton/
    If - when - Biden announces his numbers will drop significantly. Biden will never be more popular than the day he announces.
    Maybe, maybe not, certainly he has a real chance on present polling with Hillary at her most vulnerable and the GOP field dominated by Trump and Carson
    Agreed, but his numbers will drop when he announces. Everyone's do.
    Trump's didn't
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    The thing I find most chilling about the Hamas "let's all slaughter two Jews in the street" video is how generalisable it is, despite the simplistically stereotypical depiction of its victims (or in Hamas parlance, "legitimate targets").

    I mean, they're just racist caricatures of Jews, could've been fresh out of Nazi propaganda school. There's a whole lot of hate in there. You could just as well as direct it against pretty much anyone, or anything, so long as you can find a sufficiently spiteful way to classify and stereotype them.

    How easy is it to mentally re-run that video in London? There are plenty of orthodox Jews here. And thousands of angry young British Muslims who are going to have shared that stuff on Facebook. I know otherwise perfectly well-adjusted young Muslims who hate, hate, HATE "the Jews", and it doesn't help they get so much of their news from social media. Years and years of one-sided coverage they've got leaves views it's practically impossible to shift. A copycat attack here looms almost inevitably if this crisis continues. But there's no clear reason for it to stop at that, if the focus of the hate moves on.

    Recast that clip with two hipsters walking down the backstreets of Shoreditch, carrying a prohibited case of alcohol. Stuck-up bastards must be stopped from thinking they run the place. Duly terminated.

    Or two gay men holding hands in Soho. Filthy violation of the Law of God. Duly cleansed.

    Or a group of WAGs partying their way across Chelsea. Immodest, immoral, their five-star lifestyle must come to its end.

    Or a couple of Ahmadis, on their way home from not-really-prayers at their not-really-a-mosque in Lahore (or South London). Heretics must learn their betrayal of the prophet comes at a price.

    It could be anybody. Two Tories in Manchester. Some service vets at memorial day, or walking round Woolwich. Atheists in Dhaka. Cartoonists in Denmark or Paris. Anyone at all you could conceivably get angry against, because they don't follow some code of behaviour that you consider mandatory for all mankind, and whose existence in some way offends you.

    And because they won't negotiate their lifestyles away, there can be no compromise. Our fundamental rights and the sacred laws that govern this universe are being violated. The only solution is these high quality operations. And the masses of the people everywhere are angry - the people that count, that is, the "good" people, our people - and their anger legitimises our resistance.

    Great post.

    Yet these are Corbyn's friends.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    On the day of the first Democratic party debate, Fox News has helpfully published it's poll that shows Trump beating Clinton in the largest republican victory since 1988 and Carson beating Clinton in the largest landslide since 1984.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/10/13/fox-news-poll-biden-more-electable-than-clinton/

    Trump 45 (previous 42)
    Hillary 40 (46)

    Carson 50 (41)
    Hillary 39 (46)

    Killer statistic, men hate Hillary (I predicted that would happen by 2020 not 2016 though):

    Trump 52
    Hillary 32

    Carson 57
    Hillary 33

    But remember, this is a Fox News poll.

    The same poll shows Biden beating Trump 50% to 37% and Carson 46% to 42%
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/10/13/fox-news-poll-biden-more-electable-than-clinton/
    If - when - Biden announces his numbers will drop significantly. Biden will never be more popular than the day he announces.
    Maybe, maybe not, certainly he has a real chance on present polling with Hillary at her most vulnerable and the GOP field dominated by Trump and Carson
    Agreed, but his numbers will drop when he announces. Everyone's do.
    Trump's didn't
    True, but Trump doesn't fit the mold in any way at all, even hair. Typically when a non-candidate announces the negative publicity begins.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    The Dem debate is this evening. How do the male candidates attack a woman without looking like a bully? It'll be interesting, but I suspect boring.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,095
    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    On the day of the first Democratic party debate, Fox News has helpfully published it's poll that shows Trump beating Clinton in the largest republican victory since 1988 and Carson beating Clinton in the largest landslide since 1984.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/10/13/fox-news-poll-biden-more-electable-than-clinton/

    Trump 45 (previous 42)
    Hillary 40 (46)

    Carson 50 (41)
    Hillary 39 (46)

    Killer statistic, men hate Hillary (I predicted that would happen by 2020 not 2016 though):

    Trump 52
    Hillary 32

    Carson 57
    Hillary 33

    But remember, this is a Fox News poll.

    The same poll shows Biden beating Trump 50% to 37% and Carson 46% to 42%
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/10/13/fox-news-poll-biden-more-electable-than-clinton/
    If - when - Biden announces his numbers will drop significantly. Biden will never be more popular than the day he announces.
    Maybe, maybe not, certainly he has a real chance on present polling with Hillary at her most vulnerable and the GOP field dominated by Trump and Carson
    Agreed, but his numbers will drop when he announces. Everyone's do.
    Trump's didn't
    True, but Trump doesn't fit the mold in any way at all, even hair. Typically when a non-candidate announces the negative publicity begins.
    Indeed and Hillary will certainly lay it on but Biden could end up as the establishment Democratic candidate if Obama's team gets behind him and throws Hillary under a bus, especially if any further revelations emerge in the next few months

  • Very well put

    Thanks.

    It's a prospect I find chilling. It's one reason that moderate Muslims should quit equivocating about "legitimate resistance" and outright condemn this ****, even if it concerns them that "selling out" might leave them with less influence over the local hot-heads as a result.

    It's also one self-interested reason why I really, really hope some resolution can be found in the Mid East. Might stop some of this hate festering: though I can't see any scenario which wouldn't be seen as "unfair" by some people, so there'll still be plenty to get angry about whatever happens. Moreover hatred has an uncanny knack of finding new targets. I'm not swelling with optimism tonight.

    (Incidentally, I have pretty much the same feelings about the "price tag" attacks by the more extreme Zionists in the settler movement. They have a very one-dimensional way of viewing "the Arabs", and they view the quite horrific attacks they commit as perfectly legitimate - indeed, ultimately sanctioned by the only Law that counts. I'm generally less concerned about the potential universalisation of their hatred, but I wish they had the courage and the change of will to give peace and love a chance. When there are people out there who want to shoot them infront of their children, or just stab them in the street, then the cycle of violence can only continue.)
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    HYUFD said:

    isam said:

    Seems like May and Hammond (the politicians not the top gear presenters) are angry w Cam and Gove over the Saudi deal. Meanwhile...

    https://twitter.com/guidofawkes/status/654038660610809856

    Kawczynski is openly bisexual, if he went to Saudi Arabia and practised his preferences he may well find himself facing the lash, he may not be so sympathetic then
    Perhaps he thought this training programme offered a chance to change the system?
    I do not know, does anyone actually know what might have happened.? We will not do now that's for sure.
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903

    isam said:

    Decent headline for LEAVE in the Telegraph

    https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/654036768480735237

    Very good headline if it happens though shows how far the Out campaign has to go that the idea of a business leader backing Brexit is a threat. It wouldn't be such a shock currently for a business leader to back Remain. If Leave can get a lot of serious business people behind them then this could be much closer than I expected. Still a long way to go yet and a lot of time left.
    But the claim is that there is no compelling case to stay in without EU reform. Well hello the pope is catholic after all. The EU needs reform and the negotiations are about that.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    On the day of the first Democratic party debate, Fox News has helpfully published it's poll that shows Trump beating Clinton in the largest republican victory since 1988 and Carson beating Clinton in the largest landslide since 1984.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/10/13/fox-news-poll-biden-more-electable-than-clinton/

    Trump 45 (previous 42)
    Hillary 40 (46)

    Carson 50 (41)
    Hillary 39 (46)

    Killer statistic, men hate Hillary (I predicted that would happen by 2020 not 2016 though):

    Trump 52
    Hillary 32

    Carson 57
    Hillary 33

    But remember, this is a Fox News poll.

    The same poll shows Biden beating Trump 50% to 37% and Carson 46% to 42%
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/10/13/fox-news-poll-biden-more-electable-than-clinton/
    If - when - Biden announces his numbers will drop significantly. Biden will never be more popular than the day he announces.
    Maybe, maybe not, certainly he has a real chance on present polling with Hillary at her most vulnerable and the GOP field dominated by Trump and Carson
    Agreed, but his numbers will drop when he announces. Everyone's do.
    Trump's didn't
    True, but Trump doesn't fit the mold in any way at all, even hair. Typically when a non-candidate announces the negative publicity begins.
    Indeed and Hillary will certainly lay it on but Biden could end up as the establishment Democratic candidate if Obama's team gets behind him and throws Hillary under a bus, especially if any further revelations emerge in the next few months
    There is a big problem for Biden on the horizon, it's his support for the TPP trade deal, what's in it is supposedly top secret but the portions leaked suggest that it will lead to youtube being closed because of Japanese copyright laws being the new standard among the signatory nations.
    Banning youtube will not make TPP or it's supporters popular, apart from the free trade=job loses, lower salaries factor.
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    HYUFD said:

    isam said:

    Seems like May and Hammond (the politicians not the top gear presenters) are angry w Cam and Gove over the Saudi deal. Meanwhile...

    https://twitter.com/guidofawkes/status/654038660610809856

    Kawczynski is openly bisexual, if he went to Saudi Arabia and practised his preferences he may well find himself facing the lash, he may not be so sympathetic then
    If he violated their laws then you suffer their consequences. That is not unreasonable ? (I draw a line at capital punishment when the crime isnt murder)

  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    One of the intriguing things about tonight's debate is how far Hillary can distance herself from Obama, as she needs the Obama coalition votes to win.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Tim_B said:

    The Dem debate is this evening. How do the male candidates attack a woman without looking like a bully? It'll be interesting, but I suspect boring.

    Hillary is not just a woman, she is on the verge of being a soap opera queen for the public.
    Everyone would like to see a a soap opera queen get smacked on TV, Hillary is getting closer to that level of being unbearable though not there yet I think.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    notme said:

    HYUFD said:

    isam said:

    Seems like May and Hammond (the politicians not the top gear presenters) are angry w Cam and Gove over the Saudi deal. Meanwhile...

    https://twitter.com/guidofawkes/status/654038660610809856

    Kawczynski is openly bisexual, if he went to Saudi Arabia and practised his preferences he may well find himself facing the lash, he may not be so sympathetic then
    If he violated their laws then you suffer their consequences. That is not unreasonable ? (I draw a line at capital punishment when the crime isnt murder)

    I draw the line at capital punishment even when it is murder.
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    On the day of the first Democratic party debate, Fox News has helpfully published it's poll that shows Trump beating Clinton in the largest republican victory since 1988 and Carson beating Clinton in the largest landslide since 1984.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/10/13/fox-news-poll-biden-more-electable-than-clinton/

    Trump 45 (previous 42)
    Hillary 40 (46)

    Carson 50 (41)
    Hillary 39 (46)

    Killer statistic, men hate Hillary (I predicted that would happen by 2020 not 2016 though):

    Trump 52
    Hillary 32

    Carson 57
    Hillary 33

    But remember, this is a Fox News poll.

    The same poll shows Biden beating Trump 50% to 37% and Carson 46% to 42%
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/10/13/fox-news-poll-biden-more-electable-than-clinton/
    If - when - Biden announces his numbers will drop significantly. Biden will never be more popular than the day he announces.
    Maybe, maybe not, certainly he has a real chance on present polling with Hillary at her most vulnerable and the GOP field dominated by Trump and Carson
    Agreed, but his numbers will drop when he announces. Everyone's do.
    Trump's didn't
    True, but Trump doesn't fit the mold in any way at all, even hair. Typically when a non-candidate announces the negative publicity begins.
    Indeed and Hillary will certainly lay it on but Biden could end up as the establishment Democratic candidate if Obama's team gets behind him and throws Hillary under a bus, especially if any further revelations emerge in the next few months
    There is a big problem for Biden on the horizon, it's his support for the TPP trade deal, what's in it is supposedly top secret but the portions leaked suggest that it will lead to youtube being closed because of Japanese copyright laws being the new standard among the signatory nations.
    Banning youtube will not make TPP or it's supporters popular, apart from the free trade=job loses, lower salaries factor.
    So let me get this right ( just for the clarity of mind of all the proponents of luvy dovey free trade deals) ... a luvy dovey free trade deal can lead to a company like you tube closing down??
    How free trade is that? Can Mr Farage or Mr Carsell or Messers Free-trade-is-a-panacea please explain???
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited October 2015
    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    On the day of the first Democratic party debate, Fox News has helpfully published it's poll that shows Trump beating Clinton in the largest republican victory since 1988 and Carson beating Clinton in the largest landslide since 1984.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/10/13/fox-news-poll-biden-more-electable-than-clinton/

    Trump 45 (previous 42)
    Hillary 40 (46)

    Carson 50 (41)
    Hillary 39 (46)

    Killer statistic, men hate Hillary (I predicted that would happen by 2020 not 2016 though):

    Trump 52
    Hillary 32

    Carson 57
    Hillary 33

    But remember, this is a Fox News poll.

    The same poll shows Biden beating Trump 50% to 37% and Carson 46% to 42%
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/10/13/fox-news-poll-biden-more-electable-than-clinton/
    If - when - Biden announces his numbers will drop significantly. Biden will never be more popular than the day he announces.
    Maybe, maybe not, certainly he has a real chance on present polling with Hillary at her most vulnerable and the GOP field dominated by Trump and Carson
    Agreed, but his numbers will drop when he announces. Everyone's do.
    Trump's didn't
    True, but Trump doesn't fit the mold in any way at all, even hair. Typically when a non-candidate announces the negative publicity begins.
    Well Trump is helping me go through the next 2 and half hours until the CNN debate starts, try it yourself, the controls are on the top left of the video screen:

    www.youtube.com/watch?t=233&v=7WERjL-mpPQ

    Try reload when you first try it in order for the virtual tour to work.
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    With the Democratic candidate TV debate tonight its the 1st chance for a few people to make breakout from low poll figures.

    So I've stuck a few quid on Jim Webb, a complete no nonsense kind of guy who after announcing his candidacy seemed to keep a lower profile than a tax official in Sicily.

    Its small money, so little to lose but with decent upside if he gets good profile out of tonight.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    On the day of the first Democratic party debate, Fox News has helpfully published it's poll that shows Trump beating Clinton in the largest republican victory since 1988 and Carson beating Clinton in the largest landslide since 1984.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/10/13/fox-news-poll-biden-more-electable-than-clinton/

    Trump 45 (previous 42)
    Hillary 40 (46)

    Carson 50 (41)
    Hillary 39 (46)

    Killer statistic, men hate Hillary (I predicted that would happen by 2020 not 2016 though):

    Trump 52
    Hillary 32

    Carson 57
    Hillary 33

    But remember, this is a Fox News poll.

    The same poll shows Biden beating Trump 50% to 37% and Carson 46% to 42%
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/10/13/fox-news-poll-biden-more-electable-than-clinton/
    If - when - Biden announces his numbers will drop significantly. Biden will never be more popular than the day he announces.
    Maybe, maybe not, certainly he has a real chance on present polling with Hillary at her most vulnerable and the GOP field dominated by Trump and Carson
    Agreed, but his numbers will drop when he announces. Everyone's do.
    Trump's didn't
    True, but Trump doesn't fit the mold in any way at all, even hair. Typically when a non-candidate announces the negative publicity begins.
    Indeed and Hillary will certainly lay it on but Biden could end up as the establishment Democratic candidate if Obama's team gets behind him and throws Hillary under a bus, especially if any further revelations emerge in the next few months
    There is a big problem for Biden on the horizon, it's his support for the TPP trade deal, what's in it is supposedly top secret but the portions leaked suggest that it will lead to youtube being closed because of Japanese copyright laws being the new standard among the signatory nations.
    Banning youtube will not make TPP or it's supporters popular, apart from the free trade=job loses, lower salaries factor.
    So let me get this right ( just for the clarity of mind of all the proponents of luvy dovey free trade deals) ... a luvy dovey free trade deal can lead to a company like you tube closing down??
    How free trade is that? Can Mr Farage or Mr Carsell or Messers Free-trade-is-a-panacea please explain???
    I don't think UKIP are claiming that the TPP will result in YouTube being closed down. I would be interested to see the reasoning behind the claim though.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,003
    Moses_ said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Another flipping Corbyn u-turn, why doesn't he just go and join the Tories

    Corbyn signals Labour could support military action in Syria without UN support

    Hilary Benn sets out in Guardian article party’s more flexible approach if Russia were to block security council resolution

    http://bit.ly/1NEYPRF

    That is Benn not Corbyn and McDonnell today has just u-turned to the left to oppose Osborne's surplus fiscal rule
    One word for labour - shambles
    Well that is true
    Perhaps they should bring out a song ... How about " things can only get better"

    It would be a porkie pie of course but still... never mind heh?
    Things can only get bitter.....
  • Isam - You are not to interact directly or indirectly with Flightpath going forward, nor are you to use the acronym "cc"
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,095
    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    On the day of the first Democratic party debate, Fox News has helpfully published it's poll that shows Trump beating Clinton in the largest republican victory since 1988 and Carson beating Clinton in the largest landslide since 1984.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/10/13/fox-news-poll-biden-more-electable-than-clinton/

    Trump 45 (previous 42)
    Hillary 40 (46)

    Carson 50 (41)
    Hillary 39 (46)

    Killer statistic, men hate Hillary (I predicted that would happen by 2020 not 2016 though):

    Trump 52
    Hillary 32

    Carson 57
    Hillary 33

    But remember, this is a Fox News poll.

    The same poll shows Biden beating Trump 50% to 37% and Carson 46% to 42%
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/10/13/fox-news-poll-biden-more-electable-than-clinton/
    If - when - Biden announces his numbers will drop significantly. Biden will never be more popular than the day he announces.
    Maybe, maybe not, certainly he has a real chance on present polling with Hillary at her most vulnerable and the GOP field dominated by Trump and Carson
    Agreed, but his numbers will drop when he announces. Everyone's do.
    Trump's didn't
    True, but Trump doesn't fit the mold in any way at all, even hair. Typically when a non-candidate announces the negative publicity begins.
    Indeed and Hillary will certainly lay it on but Biden could end up as the establishment Democratic candidate if Obama's team gets behind him and throws Hillary under a bus, especially if any further revelations emerge in the next few months
    There is a big problem for Biden on the horizon, it's his support for the TPP trade deal, what's in it is supposedly top secret but the portions leaked suggest that it will lead to youtube being closed because of Japanese copyright laws being the new standard among the signatory nations.
    Banning youtube will not make TPP or it's supporters popular, apart from the free trade=job loses, lower salaries factor.
    That is one thing which could help Hillary play the populist card, Sanders and Trump and Cruz are also opposed, Jeb Bush and Rubio for
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,095

    HYUFD said:

    isam said:

    Seems like May and Hammond (the politicians not the top gear presenters) are angry w Cam and Gove over the Saudi deal. Meanwhile...

    https://twitter.com/guidofawkes/status/654038660610809856

    Kawczynski is openly bisexual, if he went to Saudi Arabia and practised his preferences he may well find himself facing the lash, he may not be so sympathetic then
    Perhaps he thought this training programme offered a chance to change the system?
    I do not know, does anyone actually know what might have happened.? We will not do now that's for sure.
    He has a long history of backing the Saudis on everything

  • Great post.

    Yet these are Corbyn's friends.

    Ta Doctor Fox, appreciated.

    Did you see my post further downthread about those "how to stab Jewish civilians" videos, and (the thing that really galls me - don't know why, hypocrisy is so far from being the worst of their sins it hardly bears any consideration) the constant angry complaints whenever Hamas is accused of being a "terrorist" group? I actually thought that was a stronger post.

    Just need to put the guff from their PR spokesmen side by side: the combination of self-righteous yumanritespeak victimhood and exultant advocacy of vicious murder somehow stand perfectly at odds with each other, yet fit neatly into a cohesive world-view. One that assimilates and utilises our own sympathetic weaknesses and own language and own courts as tools against us, but could turn in an instant - should the politics of the day dictate it - to ecstatically calling for the annihilation of our society from the face of the earth. There are a nigh-infinity of actions we take at a political level, of ways we live at a social level, as who we are as individuals, that are utterly beyond the pale for them. For now our faults are largely ignored, tolerated even, as a diplomatic tool to obtain international support. So at least to that end, perhaps we can be "friends", of sorts. But once a mind goes down that wormhole, why should what is unacceptable in the Zionist be fought, yet what is unacceptable in the Crusader states be tolerated? It would take so, so little for that hatred to be projected unto us.

    Don't watch the videos though before going to bed (the links I provided are the "safe" ones). I did many hours ago and I'm still absolutely seething.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Isam - You are not to interact directly or indirectly with Flightpath going forward, nor are you to use the acronym "cc"

    Cuts both ways I take it?
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited October 2015

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    On the day


    But remember, this is a Fox News poll.

    The same poll shows Biden beating Trump 50% to 37% and Carson 46% to 42%
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/10/13/fox-news-poll-biden-more-electable-than-clinton/
    If - when - Biden announces his numbers will drop significantly. Biden will never be more popular than the day he announces.
    Carson
    Agreed, but his numbers will drop when he announces. Everyone's do.
    Trump's didn't
    True, but Trump doesn't fit the mold in any way at all, even hair. Typically when a non-candidate announces the negative publicity begins.
    Indeed and Hillary will certainly lay it on but Biden could end up as the establishment Democratic candidate if Obama's team gets behind him and throws Hillary under a bus, especially if any further revelations emerge in the next few months
    There is a big problem for Biden on the horizon, it's his support for the TPP trade deal, what's in it is supposedly top secret but the portions leaked suggest that it will lead to youtube being closed because of Japanese copyright laws being the new standard among the signatory nations.
    Banning youtube will not make TPP or it's supporters popular, apart from the free trade=job loses, lower salaries factor.
    So let me get this right ( just for the clarity of mind of all the proponents of luvy dovey free trade deals) ... a luvy dovey free trade deal can lead to a company like you tube closing down??
    How free trade is that? Can Mr Farage or Mr Carsell or Messers Free-trade-is-a-panacea please explain???
    In a trade deal you have to make uniform standards throughout the free trade zone, NAFTA has them and the EU has them.
    I remember a funny fact from years ago that Britain had the best standards in water pipes but the EU forced to make the spanish standard for water pipes the EU wide one, as a result tap water quality is reduced. Instead of making the best industry standards mandatory they make compromises to satisfy foreign governments.

    The Japanese are wary of copyright infringement because of all their sensitive micro-electronics production so they have very strict standards that can lead most american based companies out of business if those standards are used in the USA, file sharing and video sharing will be the most visible casualties.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Speedy said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    On the day of the first Democratic party debate, Fox News has helpfully published it's poll that shows Trump beating Clinton in the largest republican victory since 1988 and Carson beating Clinton in the largest landslide since 1984.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/10/13/fox-news-poll-biden-more-electable-than-clinton/

    Trump 45 (previous 42)
    Hillary 40 (46)

    Carson 50 (41)
    Hillary 39 (46)

    Killer statistic, men hate Hillary (I predicted that would happen by 2020 not 2016 though):

    Trump 52
    Hillary 32

    Carson 57
    Hillary 33

    But remember, this is a Fox News poll.

    The same poll shows Biden beating Trump 50% to 37% and Carson 46% to 42%
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/10/13/fox-news-poll-biden-more-electable-than-clinton/
    If - when - Biden announces his numbers will drop significantly. Biden will never be more popular than the day he announces.
    Maybe, maybe not, certainly he has a real chance on present polling with Hillary at her most vulnerable and the GOP field dominated by Trump and Carson
    Agreed, but his numbers will drop when he announces. Everyone's do.
    Trump's didn't
    True, but Trump doesn't fit the mold in any way at all, even hair. Typically when a non-candidate announces the negative publicity begins.
    Well Trump is helping me go through the next 2 and half hours until the CNN debate starts, try it yourself, the controls are on the top left of the video screen:

    www.youtube.com/watch?t=233&v=7WERjL-mpPQ

    Try reload when you first try it in order for the virtual tour to work.
    I'm more fortunate - I have a DirecTV dvr so have more options...
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    edited October 2015
    Syria: Who is killing the Iranians and their mates?

    Both Hizbollah and the Iranian Revolutionary Guard have suffered a run of senior officers being killed in Syria in the last week or so. The numbers are extremely disproportionate for such senior ranks.

    The mystery is why is the tally is so high in such a short period.

  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    On the day of the first Democratic party debate, Fox News has helpfully published it's poll that shows Trump beating Clinton in the largest republican victory since 1988 and Carson beating Clinton in the largest landslide since 1984.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/10/13/fox-news-poll-biden-more-electable-than-clinton/

    Trump 45 (previous 42)
    Hillary 40 (46)

    Carson 50 (41)
    Hillary 39 (46)

    Killer statistic, men hate Hillary (I predicted that would happen by 2020 not 2016 though):

    Trump 52
    Hillary 32

    Carson 57
    Hillary 33

    But remember, this is a Fox News poll.

    The same poll shows Biden beating Trump 50% to 37% and Carson 46% to 42%
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/10/13/fox-news-poll-biden-more-electable-than-clinton/
    If - when - Biden announces his numbers will drop significantly. Biden will never be more popular than the day he announces.
    Maybe, maybe not, certainly he has a real chance on present polling with Hillary at her most vulnerable and the GOP field dominated by Trump and Carson
    Agreed, but his numbers will drop when he announces. Everyone's do.
    Trump's didn't
    True, but Trump doesn't fit the mold in any way at all, even hair. Typically when a non-candidate announces the negative publicity begins.
    Indeed and Hillary will certainly lay it on but Biden could end up as the establishment Democratic candidate if Obama's team gets behind him and throws Hillary under a bus, especially if any further revelations emerge in the next few months
    There is a big problem for Biden on the horizon, it's his support for the TPP trade deal, what's in it is supposedly top secret but the portions leaked suggest that it will lead to youtube being closed because of Japanese copyright laws being the new standard among the signatory nations.
    Banning youtube will not make TPP or it's supporters popular, apart from the free trade=job loses, lower salaries factor.
    That is one thing which could help Hillary play the populist card, Sanders and Trump and Cruz are also opposed, Jeb Bush and Rubio for
    Supporting TPP is a real risk because it's so awful that it's mostly top secret to keep voters from reading it, no wonder out of all those candidates only Bush and Rubio support it.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Y0kel said:

    With the Democratic candidate TV debate tonight its the 1st chance for a few people to make breakout from low poll figures.

    So I've stuck a few quid on Jim Webb, a complete no nonsense kind of guy who after announcing his candidacy seemed to keep a lower profile than a tax official in Sicily.

    Its small money, so little to lose but with decent upside if he gets good profile out of tonight.

    Jim Webb is more conservative than most republicans, a fervent supporter of the confederacy has zero chance in the democratic party, although it's impossible to know if CNN is going to ask him to explain his support for such extreme right wing causes.
  • Damn, can't make the 29th
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Joe Biden won't be at the debate tonight - in spite of a blizzard of TV commercials promoting him running. He's at a high school reunion.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Tim_B said:

    Joe Biden won't be at the debate tonight - in spite of a blizzard of TV commercials promoting him running. He's at a high school reunion.

    He has until Nov.27th.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Speedy said:

    Y0kel said:

    With the Democratic candidate TV debate tonight its the 1st chance for a few people to make breakout from low poll figures.

    So I've stuck a few quid on Jim Webb, a complete no nonsense kind of guy who after announcing his candidacy seemed to keep a lower profile than a tax official in Sicily.

    Its small money, so little to lose but with decent upside if he gets good profile out of tonight.

    Jim Webb is more conservative than most republicans, a fervent supporter of the confederacy has zero chance in the democratic party, although it's impossible to know if CNN is going to ask him to explain his support for such extreme right wing causes.
    OK, I'll bite - a fervent supporter of the confederacy. How so?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,095
    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    On the day of the first Democratic party debate, Fox News has helpfully published it's poll that shows Trump beating Clinton in the largest republican victory since 1988 and Carson beating Clinton in the largest landslide since 1984.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/10/13/fox-news-poll-biden-more-electable-than-clinton/

    Trump 45 (previous 42)
    Hillary 40 (46)

    Carson 50 (41)
    Hillary 39 (46)

    Killer statistic, men hate Hillary (I predicted that would happen by 2020 not 2016 though):

    Trump 52
    Hillary 32

    Carson 57
    Hillary 33

    But remember, this is a Fox News poll.

    The same poll shows Biden beating Trump 50% to 37% and Carson 46% to 42%
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/10/13/fox-news-poll-biden-more-electable-than-clinton/
    If - when - Biden announces his numbers will drop significantly. Biden will never be more popular than the day he announces.
    Maybe, maybe not, certainly he has a real chance on present polling with Hillary at her most vulnerable and the GOP field dominated by Trump and Carson
    Agreed, but his numbers will drop when he announces. Everyone's do.
    Trump's didn't
    True, but Trump doesn't fit the mold in any way at all, even hair. Typically when a non-candidate announces the negative publicity begins.
    Indeed and Hillary will certainly lay it on but Biden could end up as the establishment Democratic candidate if Obama's team gets behind him and throws Hillary under a bus, especially if any further revelations emerge in the next few months
    There is a big problem for Biden on the horizon, it's his support for the TPP trade deal, what's in it is supposedly top secret but the portions leaked suggest that it will lead to youtube being closed because of Japanese copyright laws being the new standard among the signatory nations.
    Banning youtube will not make TPP or it's supporters popular, apart from the free trade=job loses, lower salaries factor.
    That is one thing which could help Hillary play the populist card, Sanders and Trump and Cruz are also opposed, Jeb Bush and Rubio for
    Supporting TPP is a real risk because it's so awful that it's mostly top secret to keep voters from reading it, no wonder out of all those candidates only Bush and Rubio support it.
    The free trade candidate normally wins though, even if voters may dislike some of the details
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    Tim_B said:

    Joe Biden won't be at the debate tonight - in spite of a blizzard of TV commercials promoting him running. He's at a high school reunion.

    He needs to sh*t or get off the pot. Clinton is vulnerable and he has more cred than her current rivals.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    The same poll shows Biden beating Trump 50% to 37% and Carson 46% to 42%
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/10/13/fox-news-poll-biden-more-electable-than-clinton/
    If - when - Biden announces his numbers will drop significantly. Biden will never be more popular than the day he announces.
    Maybe, maybe not, certainly he has a real chance on present polling with Hillary at her most vulnerable and the GOP field dominated by Trump and Carson
    Agreed, but his numbers will drop when he announces. Everyone's do.
    Trump's didn't
    True, but Trump doesn't fit the mold in any way at all, even hair. Typically when a non-candidate announces the negative publicity begins.
    Indeed and Hillary will certainly lay it on but Biden could end up as the establishment Democratic candidate if Obama's team gets behind him and throws Hillary under a bus, especially if any further revelations emerge in the next few months
    There is a big problem for Biden on the horizon, it's his support for the TPP trade deal, what's in it is supposedly top secret but the portions leaked suggest that it will lead to youtube being closed because of Japanese copyright laws being the new standard among the signatory nations.
    Banning youtube will not make TPP or it's supporters popular, apart from the free trade=job loses, lower salaries factor.
    That is one thing which could help Hillary play the populist card, Sanders and Trump and Cruz are also opposed, Jeb Bush and Rubio for
    Supporting TPP is a real risk because it's so awful that it's mostly top secret to keep voters from reading it, no wonder out of all those candidates only Bush and Rubio support it.
    The free trade candidate normally wins though, even if voters may dislike some of the details
    When you say 'free trade' people think they know what you mean, and assume it's a Good Thing.

    If you are against free trade you need to explain, and that's a loser.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    LOL:

    The £50,000 luxury stretch Hummer being used to ferry asylum seekers from London to Manchester

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3271045/Pictured-50-000-luxury-stretch-Hummer-used-ferry-asylum-seekers-London-Manchester-village-complained-deluged.html

    Unsurprisingly they overpaid for the limo.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited October 2015
    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    On the day of the first Democratic party debate, Fox News has helpfully published it's poll that shows Trump beating Clinton in the largest republican victory since 1988 and Carson beating Clinton in the largest landslide since 1984.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/10/13/fox-news-poll-biden-more-electable-than-clinton/



    But remember, this is a Fox News poll.

    The same poll shows Biden beating Trump 50% to 37% and Carson 46% to 42%
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/10/13/fox-news-poll-biden-more-electable-than-clinton/
    If - when - Biden announces his numbers will drop significantly. Biden will never be more popular than the day he announces.
    Trump's didn't
    True, but Trump doesn't fit the mold in any way at all, even hair. Typically when a non-candidate announces the negative publicity begins.
    especially if any further revelations emerge in the next few months
    There is a big problem for Biden on the horizon, it's his support for the TPP trade deal, what's in it is supposedly top secret but the portions leaked suggest that it will lead to youtube being closed because of Japanese copyright laws being the new standard among the signatory nations.
    Banning youtube will not make TPP or it's supporters popular, apart from the free trade=job loses, lower salaries factor.
    That is one thing which could help Hillary play the populist card, Sanders and Trump and Cruz are also opposed, Jeb Bush and Rubio for
    Supporting TPP is a real risk because it's so awful that it's mostly top secret to keep voters from reading it, no wonder out of all those candidates only Bush and Rubio support it.
    The free trade candidate normally wins though, even if voters may dislike some of the details
    Voters are not allowed to know the TPP details.
    You have to know something is bad when it has to be labelled top secret (it creates a myth around all top secrets) , besides the portions that have leaked are really bad, as I said it will lead to the closure of popular and visible companies not because of competition but due to over regulating their market (YouTube is a perfect example).

    Americans might not care about the details but they care when they take their food and entertainment away, "Jeb Bush the YouTube slayer" does not have a good ring to it.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited October 2015
    Tim_B said:

    Speedy said:

    Y0kel said:

    With the Democratic candidate TV debate tonight its the 1st chance for a few people to make breakout from low poll figures.

    So I've stuck a few quid on Jim Webb, a complete no nonsense kind of guy who after announcing his candidacy seemed to keep a lower profile than a tax official in Sicily.

    Its small money, so little to lose but with decent upside if he gets good profile out of tonight.

    Jim Webb is more conservative than most republicans, a fervent supporter of the confederacy has zero chance in the democratic party, although it's impossible to know if CNN is going to ask him to explain his support for such extreme right wing causes.
    OK, I'll bite - a fervent supporter of the confederacy. How so?
    This alone disqualifies him from the democratic party nomination:
    http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/jim-webb-stands-alone-the-confederate-flag

    The other damaging stuff (remember he's running for the Democratic nomination, not the Republican one):

    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/jim-webb-believe-candidate-stands-10-issues/

    By Labour standards he's the american Liz Kendall.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,095
    Speedy said:

    Tim_B said:

    Joe Biden won't be at the debate tonight - in spite of a blizzard of TV commercials promoting him running. He's at a high school reunion.

    He has until Nov.27th.
    He will announce on October 19th apparently
    https://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/kristol-biden-likely-enter-race-oct-19_1044546.html
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,095
    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    The same poll shows Biden beating Trump 50% to 37% and Carson 46% to 42%
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/10/13/fox-news-poll-biden-more-electable-than-clinton/
    If - when - Biden announces his numbers will drop significantly. Biden will never be more popular than the day he announces.
    Maybe, maybe not, certainly he has a real chance on present polling with Hillary at her most vulnerable and the GOP field dominated by Trump and Carson
    Agreed, but his numbers will drop when he announces. Everyone's do.
    Trump's didn't
    True, but Trump doesn't fit the mold in any way at all, even hair. Typically when a non-candidate announces the negative publicity begins.
    Indeed and Hillary will certainly lay it on but Biden could end up as the establishment Democratic candidate if Obama's team gets behind him and throws Hillary under a bus, especially if any further revelations emerge in the next few months
    There is a big problem for Biden on the horizon, it's his support for the TPP trade deal, what's in it is supposedly top secret but the portions leaked suggest that it will lead to youtube being closed because of Japanese copyright laws being the new standard among the signatory nations.
    Banning youtube will not make TPP or it's supporters popular, apart from the free trade=job loses, lower salaries factor.
    That is one thing which could help Hillary play the populist card, Sanders and Trump and Cruz are also opposed, Jeb Bush and Rubio for
    Supporting TPP is a real risk because it's so awful that it's mostly top secret to keep voters from reading it, no wonder out of all those candidates only Bush and Rubio support it.
    The free trade candidate normally wins though, even if voters may dislike some of the details
    When you say 'free trade' people think they know what you mean, and assume it's a Good Thing.

    If you are against free trade you need to explain, and that's a loser.
    Don't disagree
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,095
    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    On the day of the first Democratic party debate, Fox News has helpfully published it's poll that shows Trump beating Clinton in the largest republican victory since 1988 and Carson beating Clinton in the largest landslide since 1984.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/10/13/fox-news-poll-biden-more-electable-than-clinton/



    But remember, this is a Fox News poll.

    The same poll shows Biden beating Trump 50% to 37% and Carson 46% to 42%
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/10/13/fox-news-poll-biden-more-electable-than-clinton/
    If - when - Biden announces his numbers will drop significantly. Biden will never be more popular than the day he announces.
    Trump's didn't
    True, but Trump doesn't fit the mold in any way at all, even hair. Typically when a non-candidate announces the negative publicity begins.
    especially if any further revelations emerge in the next few months
    utube will not make TPP or it's supporters popular, apart from the free trade=job loses, lower salaries factor.
    That is one thing which could h
    Supporting TPP is a real risk because it's so awful that it's mostly top secret to keep voters from reading it, no wonder out of all those candidates only Bush and Rubio support it.
    The free trade candidate normally wins though, even if voters may dislike some of the details
    Voters are not allowed to know the TPP details.
    You have to know something is bad when it has to be labelled top secret (it creates a myth around all top secrets) , besides the portions that have leaked are really bad, as I said it will lead to the closure of popular and visible companies not because of competition but due to over regulating their market (YouTube is a perfect example).

    Americans might not care about the details but they care when they take their food and entertainment away, "Jeb Bush the YouTube slayer" does not have a good ring to it.
    I highly doubt TPP could shut down youtube even if it wanted do
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,844
    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    On the day of the first Democratic party debate, Fox News has helpfully published it's poll that shows Trump beating Clinton in the largest republican victory since 1988 and Carson beating Clinton in the largest landslide since 1984.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/10/13/fox-news-poll-biden-more-electable-than-clinton/



    But remember, this is a Fox News poll.

    The same poll shows Biden beating Trump 50% to 37% and Carson 46% to 42%
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/10/13/fox-news-poll-biden-more-electable-than-clinton/
    If - when - Biden announces his numbers will drop significantly. Biden will never be more popular than the day he announces.
    Trump's didn't
    True, but Trump doesn't fit the mold in any way at all, even hair. Typically when a non-candidate announces the negative publicity begins.
    especially if any further revelations emerge in the next few months
    utube will not make TPP or it's supporters popular, apart from the free trade=job loses, lower salaries factor.
    That is one thing which could h
    Supporting TPP is a real risk because it's so awful that it's mostly top secret to keep voters from reading it, no wonder out of all those candidates only Bush and Rubio support it.
    The free trade candidate normally wins though, even if voters may dislike some of the details
    Voters are not allowed to know the TPP details.
    You have to know something is bad when it has to be labelled top secret (it creates a myth around all top secrets) , besides the portions that have leaked are really bad, as I said it will lead to the closure of popular and visible companies not because of competition but due to over regulating their market (YouTube is a perfect example).

    Americans might not care about the details but they care when they take their food and entertainment away, "Jeb Bush the YouTube slayer" does not have a good ring to it.
    I highly doubt TPP could shut down youtube even if it wanted do
    As with all these trade negotiations, there is a huge amount of scaremongering and outright lying going on.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Speedy said:

    Tim_B said:

    Speedy said:

    Y0kel said:

    With the Democratic candidate TV debate tonight its the 1st chance for a few people to make breakout from low poll figures.

    So I've stuck a few quid on Jim Webb, a complete no nonsense kind of guy who after announcing his candidacy seemed to keep a lower profile than a tax official in Sicily.

    Its small money, so little to lose but with decent upside if he gets good profile out of tonight.

    Jim Webb is more conservative than most republicans, a fervent supporter of the confederacy has zero chance in the democratic party, although it's impossible to know if CNN is going to ask him to explain his support for such extreme right wing causes.
    OK, I'll bite - a fervent supporter of the confederacy. How so?
    This alone disqualifies him from the democratic party nomination:
    http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/jim-webb-stands-alone-the-confederate-flag

    The other damaging stuff (remember he's running for the Democratic nomination, not the Republican one):

    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/jim-webb-believe-candidate-stands-10-issues/

    By Labour standards he's the american Liz Kendall.
    So you are essentially saying that because he's not for banning the Confederate Battle Flag he's a fervent supporter of the confederacy. That's not worthy of comment.
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