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imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Date for your diary: Next PB gathering October 29th 2015 – Shooting Star pub close to Liverpool Street Station

The last PB gathering in London took place in March while EdM was odds on favourite to be the next PM, UKIP appeared to be heading for at least half a dozen seats, the LDs had 56 MPs, the SNP had just six Scottish seat and issues like wther the Honourable Jeremy Corbyn would kneel before the Queen were beyond anybody’s imagination. Since then an enormous amount has happened.

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    Count me in!
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,798
    London? *shudder*
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited October 2015
    Seems an age and a half since the last PB meet – I might actually get to this one hopefully.
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    kle4 said:

    London? *shudder*

    Much easier when we have HS2.....
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    richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Oh horrors.. I can make that..
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    isamisam Posts: 40,931
    edited October 2015

    kle4 said:

    London? *shudder*

    Much easier when we have HS2.....
    You coming? We can have an arm wrestle to see who is the least posh!

    I'll send the butler round with a gauntlet
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    Will try and make this one although tbh I always preferred the Friday gatherings.
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Stupid comments.

    Mr Flightpath.

    I supported Mrs Thatcher when she refused to stop selling arms to South Africa, and I still believe she was right. If you stop doing business in ways that offend North London sensibilities then half the country would be on the dole.

    The only reason we are out of this prison contract is a British grandad is involved. And I'm not sure the country really gives a toss about what goes on in Saudi.

    They just want to avoid Saudi coming here.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Enjoy yourselves and play nicely.

    I'm at a dinner in Montreal so won't be able to join you.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    edited October 2015
    Fair article from a Frenchie in the Guardian - the Euro is weak due to the Uk....er...


    Europe is dying from it. The most recent elections have confirmed this. Even the euro, the only policy that you could not block, yet whose rules you were involved in writing, and which therefore bear your influence, remains weak and suffers from the lack of oversight that you were able to make sure would prevail across the EU.


    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/06/french-message-britain-get-out-european-union?CMP=share_btn_tw
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    Will try and make this one although tbh I always preferred the Friday gatherings.

    Shit! It's a Thursday isn't it? Oh well, I managed to get to the last one, which was on a Tuesday, IIRC.
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,579
    TGOHF said:
    Disappointed by this article.

    Thought it said massage.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,394
    I love these meets. TSE gave me some of tips from his extensive experience with the ladies last time we met.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,325
    edited October 2015
    MattW said:

    TGOHF said:
    Disappointed by this article.

    Thought it said massage.
    Good moaning! I brung you a massage: "Jeremy Carbon has tooken the crudit for the change in poolicy regarding Sodi Areebia!"
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,004
    TGOHF said:

    Fair article from a Frenchie in the Guardian - the Euro is weak due to the Uk....er...


    Europe is dying from it. The most recent elections have confirmed this. Even the euro, the only policy that you could not block, yet whose rules you were involved in writing, and which therefore bear your influence, remains weak and suffers from the lack of oversight that you were able to make sure would prevail across the EU.


    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/06/french-message-britain-get-out-european-union?CMP=share_btn_tw

    Isn't that article from mid 2014?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,969
    rcs1000 said:

    TGOHF said:

    Fair article from a Frenchie in the Guardian - the Euro is weak due to the Uk....er...


    Europe is dying from it. The most recent elections have confirmed this. Even the euro, the only policy that you could not block, yet whose rules you were involved in writing, and which therefore bear your influence, remains weak and suffers from the lack of oversight that you were able to make sure would prevail across the EU.


    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/06/french-message-britain-get-out-european-union?CMP=share_btn_tw

    Isn't that article from mid 2014?
    Would the opinion of the writer have changed in the interim?
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190
    TGOHF said:

    Fair article from a Frenchie in the Guardian - the Euro is weak due to the Uk....er...


    Europe is dying from it. The most recent elections have confirmed this. Even the euro, the only policy that you could not block, yet whose rules you were involved in writing, and which therefore bear your influence, remains weak and suffers from the lack of oversight that you were able to make sure would prevail across the EU.


    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/06/french-message-britain-get-out-european-union?CMP=share_btn_tw

    Rubbish. He doesn't realise that our politicians knew full well where it was going, but told a pack of lies to the people.

    Oh, and the problems facing the Euro are not our fault!
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    I'm hoping I can make it this time. They're always fun occasions. As Richard Nabavi has wisely said in the past, no one looks anything like you imagine.
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    philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    edited October 2015
    Looks like I can come on 29th. Never made it before, so to make it easy I'm the ugly one.
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    Alas I won't be able to make this meet.

    I'm seeing One Direction in Sheffield that evening.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,931
    antifrank said:

    I'm hoping I can make it this time. They're always fun occasions. As Richard Nabavi has wisely said in the past, no one looks anything like you imagine.

    I thought Richard would look like his avator!
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,969
    isam said:

    antifrank said:

    I'm hoping I can make it this time. They're always fun occasions. As Richard Nabavi has wisely said in the past, no one looks anything like you imagine.

    I thought Richard would look like his avator!
    Just needs a good wig. I'm sure we could all chip in.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,931
    Just had an email from Travel Republic


    "The best Xmas markets in the EU"

    Berlin
    Paris
    Zurich
    Prague
    Innsbruck
    London
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    DairDair Posts: 6,108
    edited October 2015
    RobD said:

    JEO said:

    Scott_P said:

    Danny565 said:

    And then the vast majority of them can get slaughtered in the subsequent by-elections as they find out how little personal standing they have in their constituencies, without the Labour brand to boost them.

    Stand as New Labour. That's the brand that won elections. Labour haven't won an election for decades...
    UK election winners

    1979: Tory
    1983: Tory
    1987: Tory
    1992: Tory
    1997: Red Tory
    2001: Red Tory
    2005: Red Tory
    2010: Tory lite
    2015: Tory
    2020: Tory
    I think this is appropriate.

    twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/642785117795168256
    Old Labour haven't won a working majority since 1966. A majority of 2 isn't worth any more than NOC (as 1974-79 showed). So it really should be 49 years not 41 for Old Labour. Of course by 2020 it will be 54 years since a left wing party won a working majority.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Enjoy yourselves and play nicely.

    I'm at a dinner in Montreal so won't be able to join you.
    isam said:

    Just had an email from Travel Republic


    "The best Xmas markets in the EU"

    Berlin
    Paris
    Zurich
    Prague
    Innsbruck
    London

    Zurich?
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    DairDair Posts: 6,108
    isam said:

    Just had an email from Travel Republic


    "The best Xmas markets in the EU"

    Berlin
    Paris
    Zurich
    Prague
    Innsbruck
    London

    2 to 6 appear to be genuinely bizarre choices.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,931
    Charles said:

    Enjoy yourselves and play nicely.

    I'm at a dinner in Montreal so won't be able to join you.

    isam said:

    Just had an email from Travel Republic


    "The best Xmas markets in the EU"

    Berlin
    Paris
    Zurich
    Prague
    Innsbruck
    London

    Zurich?
    Yes!

    It caught my eye as I thought it strange they'd say EU rather than Europe... fair enough, but they could at least get it right!
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,004
    Dair said:

    isam said:

    Just had an email from Travel Republic


    "The best Xmas markets in the EU"

    Berlin
    Paris
    Zurich
    Prague
    Innsbruck
    London

    2 to 6 appear to be genuinely bizarre choices.
    Innsbruck has a lovely Christmas market IIRC.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    MattW said:

    TGOHF said:
    Disappointed by this article.

    Thought it said massage.
    Good moaning! I brung you a massage: "Jeremy Carbon has tooken the crudit for the change in poolicy regarding Sodi Areebia!"
    Hamas are fine and dandy, as are Hezbollah and Iran. The Saudis however are beyond the pale and not our friends. I am glad we got that straight.

    Unlikely that I can make the meet, but tempted.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    Strasbourg has a wonderful Christmas Market. Well worth a visit.

    http://noel.strasbourg.eu

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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903

    MattW said:

    TGOHF said:
    Disappointed by this article.

    Thought it said massage.
    Good moaning! I brung you a massage: "Jeremy Carbon has tooken the crudit for the change in poolicy regarding Sodi Areebia!"
    Hamas are fine and dandy, as are Hezbollah and Iran. The Saudis however are beyond the pale and not our friends. I am glad we got that straight.

    Unlikely that I can make the meet, but tempted.
    Don't you just love China?
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,004
    isam said:

    Charles said:

    Enjoy yourselves and play nicely.

    I'm at a dinner in Montreal so won't be able to join you.

    isam said:

    Just had an email from Travel Republic


    "The best Xmas markets in the EU"

    Berlin
    Paris
    Zurich
    Prague
    Innsbruck
    London

    Zurich?
    Yes!

    It caught my eye as I thought it strange they'd say EU rather than Europe... fair enough, but they could at least get it right!
    Maybe they know something about Switzerland we don't?
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,873
    Tomorrow in parliament there will be a vote on George Osborne's "Charter" of cuts.

    Here are 5 things everyone should know about it and why Labour will be voting against it:

    1. It commits every government to running a budget surplus in normal times from 2019 onwards. However since 2010, he has missed his own deficit targets and changing the law won't help him to do any better.

    2. Effectively it is a big political stunt from George Osborne so that he has an excuse to keep making ideologically-driven cuts.

    3. But it's a dangerous stunt because if the Charter is followed to the letter it binds the hands of future governments, making it illegal to borrow money for investment in infrastructure or housing, even at times when investment would lead to faster economic growth.

    4. In fact, the best way to reduce the deficit now is to invest to grow our economy. It’s for this reason that most economists disagreed with George Osborne’s cuts.

    5. It could also force a government to keep making cuts, irrespective of the impact they have on public services and working families.

    It is crucial that we reduce the deficit, and Labour takes this mission seriously, but it must never be on the backs of the most vulnerable, or at the cost of the key public services we all rely on.

    Join the fight for a fairer Britain

    150,000 people have already joined our party since the election, ready to stand with us to oppose this government and fight for the Labour values of fairness, equality and social justice.

    Every new member makes our party stronger. Will you be the next one to join us? It takes just two minutes.
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    isam said:

    Charles said:

    Enjoy yourselves and play nicely.

    I'm at a dinner in Montreal so won't be able to join you.

    isam said:

    Just had an email from Travel Republic


    "The best Xmas markets in the EU"

    Berlin
    Paris
    Zurich
    Prague
    Innsbruck
    London

    Zurich?
    Yes!

    It caught my eye as I thought it strange they'd say EU rather than Europe... fair enough, but they could at least get it right!
    What you need to get right is that Switzerland is in the Schengen area.
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    I love these meets. TSE gave me some of tips from his extensive experience with the ladies last time we met.

    I hope you didn't take any advice on shoes from TSE

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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,969

    Tomorrow in parliament there will be a vote on George Osborne's "Charter" of cuts.

    Here are 5 things everyone should know about it and why Labour will be voting against it:

    1. It commits every government to running a budget surplus in normal times from 2019 onwards. However since 2010, he has missed his own deficit targets and changing the law won't help him to do any better.

    2. Effectively it is a big political stunt from George Osborne so that he has an excuse to keep making ideologically-driven cuts.

    3. But it's a dangerous stunt because if the Charter is followed to the letter it binds the hands of future governments, making it illegal to borrow money for investment in infrastructure or housing, even at times when investment would lead to faster economic growth.

    4. In fact, the best way to reduce the deficit now is to invest to grow our economy. It’s for this reason that most economists disagreed with George Osborne’s cuts.

    5. It could also force a government to keep making cuts, irrespective of the impact they have on public services and working families.

    It is crucial that we reduce the deficit, and Labour takes this mission seriously, but it must never be on the backs of the most vulnerable, or at the cost of the key public services we all rely on.

    Join the fight for a fairer Britain

    150,000 people have already joined our party since the election, ready to stand with us to oppose this government and fight for the Labour values of fairness, equality and social justice.

    Every new member makes our party stronger. Will you be the next one to join us? It takes just two minutes.

    Most economists disagreed with the cuts? Didn't Osborne get a personal apology from the head of the IMF on that front?
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    isamisam Posts: 40,931
    edited October 2015

    isam said:

    Charles said:

    Enjoy yourselves and play nicely.

    I'm at a dinner in Montreal so won't be able to join you.

    isam said:

    Just had an email from Travel Republic


    "The best Xmas markets in the EU"

    Berlin
    Paris
    Zurich
    Prague
    Innsbruck
    London

    Zurich?
    Yes!

    It caught my eye as I thought it strange they'd say EU rather than Europe... fair enough, but they could at least get it right!
    What you need to get right is that Switzerland is in the Schengen area.
    Oh its correct to say Switzerland is in the EU then? Thanks for clearing it up, I'll let them know

    Catchy slogan for a Travel operator in the current climate "Christmas breaks in the Schengen area"

    VERY Catchy!
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190
    edited October 2015

    It’s for this reason that most economists disagreed with George Osborne’s cuts.

    They were wrong.

    I agree that it's a stupid stunt from a very political chancellor, but McDonnell has played into Osborne's hands.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,969
    isam said:

    isam said:

    Charles said:

    Enjoy yourselves and play nicely.

    I'm at a dinner in Montreal so won't be able to join you.

    isam said:

    Just had an email from Travel Republic


    "The best Xmas markets in the EU"

    Berlin
    Paris
    Zurich
    Prague
    Innsbruck
    London

    Zurich?
    Yes!

    It caught my eye as I thought it strange they'd say EU rather than Europe... fair enough, but they could at least get it right!
    What you need to get right is that Switzerland is in the Schengen area.
    Oh its correct to say Switzerland is in the EU then? Thanks for clearing it up, I'll let them know

    Catchy slogan for a Travel operator in the current climate "Christmas breaks in the Schengen area"

    Catchy!
    Well strike London from the list then.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Jonathan said:

    Strasbourg has a wonderful Christmas Market. Well worth a visit.

    http://noel.strasbourg.eu

    So does Beirut, down at its fancy new marina.

    http://english.aawsat.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/santa-claus-village.jpg
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    Alas I won't be able to make this meet.

    I'm seeing One Direction in Sheffield that evening.

    SPLITTER!
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850
    I hope to be there.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190
    Very democratic. Parliament Act Time.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Tomorrow in parliament there will be a vote on George Osborne's "Charter" of cuts.

    Here are 5 things everyone should know about it and why Labour will be voting against it:

    1. It commits every government to running a budget surplus in normal times from 2019 onwards. However since 2010, he has missed his own deficit targets and changing the law won't help him to do any better.

    2. Effectively it is a big political stunt from George Osborne so that he has an excuse to keep making ideologically-driven cuts.

    3. But it's a dangerous stunt because if the Charter is followed to the letter it binds the hands of future governments, making it illegal to borrow money for investment in infrastructure or housing, even at times when investment would lead to faster economic growth.

    4. In fact, the best way to reduce the deficit now is to invest to grow our economy. It’s for this reason that most economists disagreed with George Osborne’s cuts.

    5. It could also force a government to keep making cuts, irrespective of the impact they have on public services and working families.

    It is crucial that we reduce the deficit, and Labour takes this mission seriously, but it must never be on the backs of the most vulnerable, or at the cost of the key public services we all rely on.

    Join the fight for a fairer Britain

    150,000 people have already joined our party since the election, ready to stand with us to oppose this government and fight for the Labour values of fairness, equality and social justice.

    Every new member makes our party stronger. Will you be the next one to join us? It takes just two minutes.

    That's not a problem, you can simply rearrange spending away from Tory priorities or Labour priorities and put taxes on Tory or Labour electorates when you need to increase spending or keep the budget balanced.

    Since governments will be realistically forbidden to issue bonds after 2019 you simply have to do what a debt stricken eurozone government does.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,873

    Alas I won't be able to make this meet.

    I'm seeing One Direction in Sheffield that evening.

    SPLITTER!
    TSE told me today he is a huge 1D and is growing his hair to look more like Harry Stiles!!!
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    Government wins vote on Immigration bill by 49. Seems a good majority
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    I'm against that, I was against using children for the scottish referendum and I'm against using children for the EU referendum.
    I hope the House of Commons refuses to include the Lords decision.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,873
    tlg86 said:

    Very democratic. Parliament Act Time.
    Using Parliament Act used to deny the people most affected by the decision a say sounds very democratic to me.
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    DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Now this is a great graphical representation of the Labour party.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VuMdLm0ccU
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    tlg86 said:

    Very democratic. Parliament Act Time.
    Using Parliament Act used to deny the people most affected by the decision a say sounds very democratic to me.
    Remind me - Is it not the way an elected government passes it's legislation when an unelected body tries to defy democracy
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190

    tlg86 said:

    Very democratic. Parliament Act Time.
    Using Parliament Act used to deny the people most affected by the decision a say sounds very democratic to me.
    Maybe we should weight everyone's vote by how much of their life they have left to live. I suppose it would be one way to help Labour get back into government.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited October 2015

    tlg86 said:

    Very democratic. Parliament Act Time.
    Using Parliament Act used to deny the people most affected by the decision a say sounds very democratic to me.
    It's a point of principle not to use SNP ballot stuffing tactics.
    If that was the case why not give the right to vote to sperm or ovaries.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,873
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Very democratic. Parliament Act Time.
    Using Parliament Act used to deny the people most affected by the decision a say sounds very democratic to me.
    Maybe we should weight everyone's vote by how much of their life they have left to live. I suppose it would be one way to help Labour get back into government.
    Excellent idea
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    perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    O/T France is doing lots of business in Saudi. No apparent squeals about uman rights from this socialist government.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/france-saudi-arabia-deepen-alliance-with-10b-euros-in-deals/2015/10/13/512185a0-71d2-11e5-ba14-318f8e87a2fc_story.html
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Very democratic. Parliament Act Time.
    Using Parliament Act used to deny the people most affected by the decision a say sounds very democratic to me.
    Maybe we should weight everyone's vote by how much of their life they have left to live. I suppose it would be one way to help Labour get back into government.
    Excellent idea
    The flip side of that, of course, is to weight by how much tax everyone has paid.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    perdix said:

    O/T France is doing lots of business in Saudi. No apparent squeals about uman rights from this socialist government.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/france-saudi-arabia-deepen-alliance-with-10b-euros-in-deals/2015/10/13/512185a0-71d2-11e5-ba14-318f8e87a2fc_story.html

    That's because they're into imam rights, not uman rights.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited October 2015
    perdix said:

    O/T France is doing lots of business in Saudi. No apparent squeals about uman rights from this socialist government.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/france-saudi-arabia-deepen-alliance-with-10b-euros-in-deals/2015/10/13/512185a0-71d2-11e5-ba14-318f8e87a2fc_story.html

    France is bankrupt from money, ideas and ideals for a long time now.
    I remember Mitterrand bombing New Zealand because they were against french nuclear tests in the pacific (having the title socialist does not make you a lefty).
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,873
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Very democratic. Parliament Act Time.
    Using Parliament Act used to deny the people most affected by the decision a say sounds very democratic to me.
    Maybe we should weight everyone's vote by how much of their life they have left to live. I suppose it would be one way to help Labour get back into government.
    I think young people engaging with the issue and politics in general is great myself. Although I would also go for compulsory voting with an abstention option.
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    That new irregular verb:

    I'm principled

    You're driven by ideology
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    It's a pity I can't make this meet, I've just seen the trousers I'd wear to this meet

    http://dailym.ai/1GG7Uld
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,873
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Very democratic. Parliament Act Time.
    Using Parliament Act used to deny the people most affected by the decision a say sounds very democratic to me.
    Maybe we should weight everyone's vote by how much of their life they have left to live. I suppose it would be one way to help Labour get back into government.
    Excellent idea
    The flip side of that, of course, is to weight by how much tax everyone has paid.
    Or avoided/evaded?
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    Another flipping Corbyn u-turn, why doesn't he just go and join the Tories

    Corbyn signals Labour could support military action in Syria without UN support

    Hilary Benn sets out in Guardian article party’s more flexible approach if Russia were to block security council resolution

    http://bit.ly/1NEYPRF
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,873

    It's a pity I can't make this meet, I've just seen the trousers I'd wear to this meet

    http://dailym.ai/1GG7Uld

    You will fit in at 1D
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Very democratic. Parliament Act Time.
    Using Parliament Act used to deny the people most affected by the decision a say sounds very democratic to me.
    Maybe we should weight everyone's vote by how much of their life they have left to live. I suppose it would be one way to help Labour get back into government.
    Excellent idea
    The flip side of that, of course, is to weight by how much tax everyone has paid.
    Or avoided/evaded?
    1 adult person 1 vote is good enough thank you, no need to abolish the 1867 Act.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Very democratic. Parliament Act Time.
    Using Parliament Act used to deny the people most affected by the decision a say sounds very democratic to me.
    Maybe we should weight everyone's vote by how much of their life they have left to live. I suppose it would be one way to help Labour get back into government.
    Excellent idea
    The flip side of that, of course, is to weight by how much tax everyone has paid.
    Or avoided/evaded?
    I suppose it might encourage people to have regular bank accounts rather than ISAs. That said, I'd take the extra cash interest and have less of a vote. How bad could Corbyn be?
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    richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    BJO.. I will avoid paying any tax that I can... not to do so would be bloody stupid..
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,873
    Speedy said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Very democratic. Parliament Act Time.
    Using Parliament Act used to deny the people most affected by the decision a say sounds very democratic to me.
    Maybe we should weight everyone's vote by how much of their life they have left to live. I suppose it would be one way to help Labour get back into government.
    Excellent idea
    The flip side of that, of course, is to weight by how much tax everyone has paid.
    Or avoided/evaded?
    1 adult person 1 vote is good enough thank you, no need to abolish the 1867 Act.
    What a year 1867 was worlds greatest football club formed and some voting Act
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190

    What a year 1867 was worlds greatest football club formed and some voting Act

    My dad's a Wednesday fan and I used to be until I was led astray by some Arsenal fans. We're coming up for the League Cup tie in two weeks time which should be fun!
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,873
    Speedy said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Very democratic. Parliament Act Time.
    Using Parliament Act used to deny the people most affected by the decision a say sounds very democratic to me.
    Maybe we should weight everyone's vote by how much of their life they have left to live. I suppose it would be one way to help Labour get back into government.
    Excellent idea
    The flip side of that, of course, is to weight by how much tax everyone has paid.
    Or avoided/evaded?
    1 adult person 1 vote is good enough thank you, no need to abolish the 1867 Act.
    Thought women were not allowed to vote in 1867 like 16 to 18 year olds now, Presume you were against the Equal Franchise Act?
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    isamisam Posts: 40,931
    tlg86 said:

    What a year 1867 was worlds greatest football club formed and some voting Act

    My dad's a Wednesday fan and I used to be until I was led astray by some Arsenal fans. We're coming up for the League Cup tie in two weeks time which should be fun!
    Ah 1993!

    Went to the replay at Wembley, Linighan in the last min then straight back to Hollywood's in Romford to find my girlfriend being chatted up by some slimy toad!
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,873
    tlg86 said:

    What a year 1867 was worlds greatest football club formed and some voting Act

    My dad's a Wednesday fan and I used to be until I was led astray by some Arsenal fans. We're coming up for the League Cup tie in two weeks time which should be fun!
    Should be a great atmosphere.
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    tlg86 said:

    Very democratic. Parliament Act Time.
    Using Parliament Act used to deny the people most affected by the decision a say sounds very democratic to me.
    My daughter is eighteen months old and will be affected by the decision even more than the seventeen year old children will, should she get a vote? We can put crayons in the ballot booths along with pencils.
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903

    Another flipping Corbyn u-turn, why doesn't he just go and join the Tories

    Corbyn signals Labour could support military action in Syria without UN support

    Hilary Benn sets out in Guardian article party’s more flexible approach if Russia were to block security council resolution

    http://bit.ly/1NEYPRF

    Is there any indication of what they think the right thing to do would be?
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190
    isam said:

    tlg86 said:

    What a year 1867 was worlds greatest football club formed and some voting Act

    My dad's a Wednesday fan and I used to be until I was led astray by some Arsenal fans. We're coming up for the League Cup tie in two weeks time which should be fun!
    Ah 1993!

    Went to the replay at Wembley, Linighan in the last min then straight back to Hollywood's in Romford to find my girlfriend being chatted up by some slimy toad!
    That's the first football game I can remember watching - still not sure what Woods was doing.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,873

    tlg86 said:

    What a year 1867 was worlds greatest football club formed and some voting Act

    My dad's a Wednesday fan and I used to be until I was led astray by some Arsenal fans. We're coming up for the League Cup tie in two weeks time which should be fun!
    Should be a great atmosphere.
    SWFC Ticket Office ‏@swfcTICKETS 2h2 hours ago
    Another busy day, only single seats left in the North Stand, South Stand almost full. 23,500 home sales for the Arsenal game
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Another flipping Corbyn u-turn, why doesn't he just go and join the Tories

    Corbyn signals Labour could support military action in Syria without UN support

    Hilary Benn sets out in Guardian article party’s more flexible approach if Russia were to block security council resolution

    http://bit.ly/1NEYPRF

    It's actually a load of waffle, here is the actual article:

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/13/syria-intervene-humanitarian-crisis-un-resolution

    Benn is saying that the price for Labour's support is Cameron to get a UN resolution with the following 6 points:
    1.effective action to end the threat from Isis

    2. the creation of safe zones in Syria to shelter those who have had to flee their homes

    3. the referral of suspected war crimes to the international criminal court

    4. increased humanitarian aid to those who have fled to neighbouring states

    5. an agreement for countries to welcome their share of Syrian refugees

    6. and a major international effort bringing together Russia, Iran, the neighbouring countries, the Gulf states, the US and Europe to agree a post-civil war plan for Syria.

    Points 2,3 and perhaps 5 will never be accepted by the UN, therefore he open the door to further waffle:

    "Of course, we know that any resolution may be vetoed and in those circumstances we would need to look at the position again."

    In essence, months of discussion and negotiations followed by a probable UN veto followed by further months of discussion and negotiations until it's kicked to the long grass.
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    Half term - otherwise like all PB Tories I'd have splashed the blue nun liberally on the night... perhaps....

    Just listened to the Abbott R4 interview... as she's so keen to say 'no,no,no'.

    Her dissing of Chris Leslie is sumptuous, I bet she's loved by her colleagues.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,873

    tlg86 said:

    Very democratic. Parliament Act Time.
    Using Parliament Act used to deny the people most affected by the decision a say sounds very democratic to me.
    My daughter is eighteen months old and will be affected by the decision even more than the seventeen year old children will, should she get a vote? We can put crayons in the ballot booths along with pencils.
    Is that in the Lords amendment? Silly idea IMO.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,931
    tlg86 said:

    isam said:

    tlg86 said:

    What a year 1867 was worlds greatest football club formed and some voting Act

    My dad's a Wednesday fan and I used to be until I was led astray by some Arsenal fans. We're coming up for the League Cup tie in two weeks time which should be fun!
    Ah 1993!

    Went to the replay at Wembley, Linighan in the last min then straight back to Hollywood's in Romford to find my girlfriend being chatted up by some slimy toad!
    That's the first football game I can remember watching - still not sure what Woods was doing.
    A Strange season. We were absolute rubbish, finished below halfway I think... boring football, but won both cups (beating Spurs in the FA semi final en route)
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190

    tlg86 said:

    Very democratic. Parliament Act Time.
    Using Parliament Act used to deny the people most affected by the decision a say sounds very democratic to me.
    My daughter is eighteen months old and will be affected by the decision even more than the seventeen year old children will, should she get a vote? We can put crayons in the ballot booths along with pencils.
    Is that in the Lords amendment? Silly idea IMO.
    Again, we could take into account dependents. So those families in the Daily Mail would be worth a lot of votes!
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    Half term - otherwise like all PB Tories I'd have splashed the blue nun liberally on the night... perhaps....

    Just listened to the Abbott R4 interview... as she's so keen to say 'no,no,no'.

    Her dissing of Chris Leslie is sumptuous, I bet she's loved by her colleagues.

    "Nice to see your home fans booing you! That's what loyal support is!"
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,873
    isam said:

    tlg86 said:

    What a year 1867 was worlds greatest football club formed and some voting Act

    My dad's a Wednesday fan and I used to be until I was led astray by some Arsenal fans. We're coming up for the League Cup tie in two weeks time which should be fun!
    Ah 1993!

    Went to the replay at Wembley, Linighan in the last min then straight back to Hollywood's in Romford to find my girlfriend being chatted up by some slimy toad!
    I was there too bloody Chris Woods.

    I sold the rare programme for £120 about 5 years ago. Worth nearly as much as the other 1000 put together
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited October 2015

    Speedy said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Very democratic. Parliament Act Time.
    Using Parliament Act used to deny the people most affected by the decision a say sounds very democratic to me.
    Maybe we should weight everyone's vote by how much of their life they have left to live. I suppose it would be one way to help Labour get back into government.
    Excellent idea
    The flip side of that, of course, is to weight by how much tax everyone has paid.
    Or avoided/evaded?
    1 adult person 1 vote is good enough thank you, no need to abolish the 1867 Act.
    Thought women were not allowed to vote in 1867 like 16 to 18 year olds now, Presume you were against the Equal Franchise Act?
    The 1867 Act gave universal suffrage to males, before that it was an income based right to vote, as some have suggested here to make voting rights restricted or changed to suit themselves.

    So the answer is no, I'm against any SNP type tactics to ballot stuffing including tapering with voting rights like the SNP did.
    1 adult 1 vote is pure, simple and just.
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    edited October 2015
    Dair said:

    Now this is a great graphical representation of the Labour party.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VuMdLm0ccU

    SNP hatred of the labour party and of course its wipe out in Scotland does remove quite a big barrier to any, what shall we say(?) social democrats breaking away and creating a new ummm, what would they call it, Radical Party.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited October 2015

    Dair said:

    Now this is a great graphical representation of the Labour party.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VuMdLm0ccU

    SNP hatred of the labour party and of course its wipe out in Scotland does remove quite a big barrier to any, what shall we say(?) social democrats breaking away and creating a new ummm, what would they call it, Radical Party.
    Lets not forget Labour was wiped out in scotland for not being left wing enough for scottish tastes.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190

    isam said:

    tlg86 said:

    What a year 1867 was worlds greatest football club formed and some voting Act

    My dad's a Wednesday fan and I used to be until I was led astray by some Arsenal fans. We're coming up for the League Cup tie in two weeks time which should be fun!
    Ah 1993!

    Went to the replay at Wembley, Linighan in the last min then straight back to Hollywood's in Romford to find my girlfriend being chatted up by some slimy toad!
    I was there too bloody Chris Woods.

    I sold the rare programme for £120 about 5 years ago. Worth nearly as much as the other 1000 put together
    1000! Wow, my stack is filling up, but I've not been collecting from away games. I remember a few years ago we had a game called off because of bad weather but Arsenal said that you could still purchase a programme if you wanted too. It's the sort of programme that would be worth a few pounds in years to come.
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    As plans go Benn's is 8 points short.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,873
    tlg86 said:

    isam said:

    tlg86 said:

    What a year 1867 was worlds greatest football club formed and some voting Act

    My dad's a Wednesday fan and I used to be until I was led astray by some Arsenal fans. We're coming up for the League Cup tie in two weeks time which should be fun!
    Ah 1993!

    Went to the replay at Wembley, Linighan in the last min then straight back to Hollywood's in Romford to find my girlfriend being chatted up by some slimy toad!
    I was there too bloody Chris Woods.

    I sold the rare programme for £120 about 5 years ago. Worth nearly as much as the other 1000 put together
    1000! Wow, my stack is filling up, but I've not been collecting from away games. I remember a few years ago we had a game called off because of bad weather but Arsenal said that you could still purchase a programme if you wanted too. It's the sort of programme that would be worth a few pounds in years to come.
    Should be yes. Misprints and extra pages are also a good thing to programme collecters apparently
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    isamisam Posts: 40,931

    isam said:

    tlg86 said:

    What a year 1867 was worlds greatest football club formed and some voting Act

    My dad's a Wednesday fan and I used to be until I was led astray by some Arsenal fans. We're coming up for the League Cup tie in two weeks time which should be fun!
    Ah 1993!

    Went to the replay at Wembley, Linighan in the last min then straight back to Hollywood's in Romford to find my girlfriend being chatted up by some slimy toad!
    I was there too bloody Chris Woods.

    I sold the rare programme for £120 about 5 years ago. Worth nearly as much as the other 1000 put together
    He pushed a close range header into the roof of the net didn't he?

    Linighan had a broken nose when he scored the winner, and it was the only match that Alan Smith ever got booked in! ( I think)

    The Arsenal song was more memorable than both games

    "Arsenal team is such a delight
    Mr Kevin Campbell and-a Ian Wright!"

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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,873
    isam said:

    isam said:

    tlg86 said:

    What a year 1867 was worlds greatest football club formed and some voting Act

    My dad's a Wednesday fan and I used to be until I was led astray by some Arsenal fans. We're coming up for the League Cup tie in two weeks time which should be fun!
    Ah 1993!

    Went to the replay at Wembley, Linighan in the last min then straight back to Hollywood's in Romford to find my girlfriend being chatted up by some slimy toad!
    I was there too bloody Chris Woods.

    I sold the rare programme for £120 about 5 years ago. Worth nearly as much as the other 1000 put together
    He pushed a close range header into the roof of the net didn't he?

    Linighan had a broken nose when he scored the winner, and it was the only match that Alan Smith ever got booked in! ( I think)

    The Arsenal song was more memorable than both games

    "Arsenal team is such a delight
    Mr Kevin Campbell and-a Ian Wright!"

    Merson celebration still haunts me.
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    Speedy said:

    Dair said:

    Now this is a great graphical representation of the Labour party.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VuMdLm0ccU

    SNP hatred of the labour party and of course its wipe out in Scotland does remove quite a big barrier to any, what shall we say(?) social democrats breaking away and creating a new ummm, what would they call it, Radical Party.
    Lets not forget Labour was wiped out in scotland for not being left wing enough for scottish tastes.
    But previously any breakaway was walking away from 50 nailed on seats. Now they are breaking away from zero seats and a buggered labour party constitution in Scotland.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,035
    Further developments in the Watson mess:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34521873

    Was there a backchannel between the Met and Watson?
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    DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Speedy said:

    Dair said:

    Now this is a great graphical representation of the Labour party.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VuMdLm0ccU

    SNP hatred of the labour party and of course its wipe out in Scotland does remove quite a big barrier to any, what shall we say(?) social democrats breaking away and creating a new ummm, what would they call it, Radical Party.
    Lets not forget Labour was wiped out in scotland for not being left wing enough for scottish tastes.
    SLAB was wiped out for supporting the Union and being the main front for the Tories holding on to Scottish money to fund their profligacy at Westminster.

    You can't go around lying to people - especially some of the targets they picked on with their lies, like pensioners - and not expect a general backlash.

    They are unScottish and like most countries, people don't vote for parties which are unpatriotic.
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    DairDair Posts: 6,108

    Speedy said:

    Dair said:

    Now this is a great graphical representation of the Labour party.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VuMdLm0ccU

    SNP hatred of the labour party and of course its wipe out in Scotland does remove quite a big barrier to any, what shall we say(?) social democrats breaking away and creating a new ummm, what would they call it, Radical Party.
    Lets not forget Labour was wiped out in scotland for not being left wing enough for scottish tastes.
    But previously any breakaway was walking away from 50 nailed on seats. Now they are breaking away from zero seats and a buggered labour party constitution in Scotland.
    Corbyn's bizarre obsession with "reclaiming Scotland" is probably his most ridiculous aspect (which is saying quite a lot). Not to mention its lack of consistency with pretty much every aspect of his foreign policy.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Just got in from work and turn on sky news.

    You can't help at laugh at the mess Labour have gotten themselves into

    Now, THIS is what an omnishambles looks like
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    TGOHF said:

    Fair article from a Frenchie in the Guardian - the Euro is weak due to the Uk....er...


    Europe is dying from it. The most recent elections have confirmed this. Even the euro, the only policy that you could not block, yet whose rules you were involved in writing, and which therefore bear your influence, remains weak and suffers from the lack of oversight that you were able to make sure would prevail across the EU.


    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/06/french-message-britain-get-out-european-union?CMP=share_btn_tw

    Somehow it just had to be our fault :-)
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    Dair said:

    Speedy said:

    Dair said:

    Now this is a great graphical representation of the Labour party.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VuMdLm0ccU

    SNP hatred of the labour party and of course its wipe out in Scotland does remove quite a big barrier to any, what shall we say(?) social democrats breaking away and creating a new ummm, what would they call it, Radical Party.
    Lets not forget Labour was wiped out in scotland for not being left wing enough for scottish tastes.
    But previously any breakaway was walking away from 50 nailed on seats. Now they are breaking away from zero seats and a buggered labour party constitution in Scotland.
    Corbyn's bizarre obsession with "reclaiming Scotland" is probably his most ridiculous aspect (which is saying quite a lot). Not to mention its lack of consistency with pretty much every aspect of his foreign policy.
    I am not too fussed about you or labour in Scotland to be honest (or labour anywhere). But the reality of these circumstances makes a breakaway by so called moderates to form a new party less problematical for them.
    I raise the issue only to point this out to anyone who might be considering a bet on the possibility.
    I have to say having seen the list of Benn's demands for support for the Syrian resolution then if he is a leading 'moderate' then they are in bigger trouble than ever.
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Most sensible people don't want a Corbyn lead "labour Party" note the small lL.. It doesn'tatter how many loons Corby racks up on the left, it will just drive more centre voters to the Stop Corbyn Candidate wherever it might stand.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,873
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