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  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    edited October 2015
    The Aussies dominance continues to get bigger. Stephen Moore in their front row is a remote 2nd cousin of the wife so should be playing for Ireland!
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Quite.
    Moses_ said:

    Looks like Ashcroft and Oakeshott are serialising their book in the Sunday Times now.

    The big revelation

    The toxic ‘E word’ has long plagued David Cameron. Now the incendiary biography of the PM by Michael Ashcroft and Isabel Oakeshott reveals that for all his Eurosceptic posturing he has privately declared he would not quit the EU

    http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/Politics/article1615183.ece?CMP=OTH-gnws-standard-2015_10_03

    I thought he has always been wanting to stay in the EU. He has even stated he would campaign to do so. This is news or a massive revelation? Really?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    TGOHF said:

    Looks like Ashcroft and Oakeshott are serialising their book in the Sunday Times now.

    The big revelation

    The toxic ‘E word’ has long plagued David Cameron. Now the incendiary biography of the PM by Michael Ashcroft and Isabel Oakeshott reveals that for all his Eurosceptic posturing he has privately declared he would not quit the EU

    http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/Politics/article1615183.ece?CMP=OTH-gnws-standard-2015_10_03

    I guess the co- authors are going out guns blazing - more evidence lite stuff coming..

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3258485/Samantha-Cameron-left-furious-untrue-smear-against-marriage-husband-David-Lord-Ashcroft-s-bombshell-biography-PM.html
    It’s in the Mail, it must be true!
    What makes that interesting is that Samantha Cameron could sue Lord Ashcroft for libel without it distracting much from government business. If she really is furious about what she thinks is a baseless smear, it might be a way for the Camerons to consign this book's credibility to the rubbish bin without having to have a messy examination of David Cameron's past.
  • SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Cookie said:

    SeanT said:

    Imagine the last England group match, against Andorra or Tahiti or whoever it is. So utterly embarrassing. It will just be a chorus of boos and derision from the crowd, with no interest whatsoever in the result. What player would WANT to play that match? Why risk your cullions for an exercise in the excruciating?

    Risible.

    But why would there be boos? This isn't a good performance, but nor is it a desperately poor one. There is no lack of effort, nor of adventure. And there is no shame in losing to better teams. I'm disappointed, but can't be angry about it.
    No it's piss poor. The richest biggest rugby nation PLAYING AT HOME should get out of Round 1. It's embarrassingly bad. I predict boos, or at least golf claps, when we take on the rugby might of Belize.
    Rugby fans are not footy fans. They will turnout for good rugby whoever wins.

    My stake on Australia -12.5 is looking good!
    Of course they will. But this was meant to be a break out World Cup for the sport, in the UK as much as anywhere else, hence the big ITV investment. England going out in Round 1 will nix that. Rugby is still very much a minority game. No change after this.

    Anyway I've now turned over to watch Rick Stein. lol.
    Turn it back on
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,059
    England try, well probably a consolation, but stranger things have happened!
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Crucial conversion here.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,745
    antifrank said:

    TGOHF said:

    Looks like Ashcroft and Oakeshott are serialising their book in the Sunday Times now.

    The big revelation

    The toxic ‘E word’ has long plagued David Cameron. Now the incendiary biography of the PM by Michael Ashcroft and Isabel Oakeshott reveals that for all his Eurosceptic posturing he has privately declared he would not quit the EU

    http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/Politics/article1615183.ece?CMP=OTH-gnws-standard-2015_10_03

    I guess the co- authors are going out guns blazing - more evidence lite stuff coming..

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3258485/Samantha-Cameron-left-furious-untrue-smear-against-marriage-husband-David-Lord-Ashcroft-s-bombshell-biography-PM.html
    It’s in the Mail, it must be true!
    What makes that interesting is that Samantha Cameron could sue Lord Ashcroft for libel without it distracting much from government business. If she really is furious about what she thinks is a baseless smear, it might be a way for the Camerons to consign this book's credibility to the rubbish bin without having to have a messy examination of David Cameron's past.
    Point taken, but if there IS any truth in it, or even if there isn’t (much )and Ashcroft defends, then more damage is done.
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    FFS, Nobody tell Sean.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,745
    “Only” 10 points behind now.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    A Thai would mean England would need Wales to win their last match ?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    antifrank said:

    TGOHF said:

    Looks like Ashcroft and Oakeshott are serialising their book in the Sunday Times now.

    The big revelation

    The toxic ‘E word’ has long plagued David Cameron. Now the incendiary biography of the PM by Michael Ashcroft and Isabel Oakeshott reveals that for all his Eurosceptic posturing he has privately declared he would not quit the EU

    http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/Politics/article1615183.ece?CMP=OTH-gnws-standard-2015_10_03

    I guess the co- authors are going out guns blazing - more evidence lite stuff coming..

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3258485/Samantha-Cameron-left-furious-untrue-smear-against-marriage-husband-David-Lord-Ashcroft-s-bombshell-biography-PM.html
    It’s in the Mail, it must be true!
    What makes that interesting is that Samantha Cameron could sue Lord Ashcroft for libel without it distracting much from government business. If she really is furious about what she thinks is a baseless smear, it might be a way for the Camerons to consign this book's credibility to the rubbish bin without having to have a messy examination of David Cameron's past.
    Point taken, but if there IS any truth in it, or even if there isn’t (much )and Ashcroft defends, then more damage is done.
    Incidentally, I thought that some of the original coverage of the book in the Mail contained innuendo against Samantha Cameron. I got the impression that part had been lawyered to take it to the limit of what was defensible without evidence.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    @TelegraphNews 27s27 seconds ago

    Tories to recruit more working-class MPs with £250,000 for bursaries http://tgr.ph/1ObPdMC
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,745
    edited October 2015
    TGOHF said:

    A Thai would mean England would need Wales to win their last match ?

    No. As it stands Wales vs Australia is for 1st or 2nd in the pool, and the “right” to play NZ.
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    antifrank said:

    antifrank said:

    TGOHF said:

    Looks like Ashcroft and Oakeshott are serialising their book in the Sunday Times now.

    The big revelation

    The toxic ‘E word’ has long plagued David Cameron. Now the incendiary biography of the PM by Michael Ashcroft and Isabel Oakeshott reveals that for all his Eurosceptic posturing he has privately declared he would not quit the EU

    http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/Politics/article1615183.ece?CMP=OTH-gnws-standard-2015_10_03

    I guess the co- authors are going out guns blazing - more evidence lite stuff coming..

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3258485/Samantha-Cameron-left-furious-untrue-smear-against-marriage-husband-David-Lord-Ashcroft-s-bombshell-biography-PM.html
    It’s in the Mail, it must be true!
    What makes that interesting is that Samantha Cameron could sue Lord Ashcroft for libel without it distracting much from government business. If she really is furious about what she thinks is a baseless smear, it might be a way for the Camerons to consign this book's credibility to the rubbish bin without having to have a messy examination of David Cameron's past.
    Point taken, but if there IS any truth in it, or even if there isn’t (much )and Ashcroft defends, then more damage is done.
    Incidentally, I thought that some of the original coverage of the book in the Mail contained innuendo against Samantha Cameron. I got the impression that part had been lawyered to take it to the limit of what was defensible without evidence.
    Ashcroft, has misfired. If you are going to insert the stiletto, you have to hit the heart. He has managed to stab himself.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,994
    edited October 2015
    Kin Hell, I think Scrapheap might be ahead of me in the fantasy football.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,997
    Within 7....
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865

    Cookie said:

    SeanT said:

    Imagine the last England group match, against Andorra or Tahiti or whoever it is. So utterly embarrassing. It will just be a chorus of boos and derision from the crowd, with no interest whatsoever in the result. What player would WANT to play that match? Why risk your cullions for an exercise in the excruciating?

    Risible.

    But why would there be boos? This isn't a good performance, but nor is it a desperately poor one. There is no lack of effort, nor of adventure. And there is no shame in losing to better teams. I'm disappointed, but can't be angry about it.
    There is an insufficiency of being able to catch and pass and maintain possession.
    ...... And score tries.
    The England try was good but summing it up the scorer should never have risked being tackled by two Aussies when he could have passed right to the wing who could have then walked to the line and no tackles.
    Unnecessary risk which sums up both this and the Welsh games really

    Looking a bit better now though....
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    antifrank said:

    TGOHF said:

    Looks like Ashcroft and Oakeshott are serialising their book in the Sunday Times now.

    The big revelation

    The toxic ‘E word’ has long plagued David Cameron. Now the incendiary biography of the PM by Michael Ashcroft and Isabel Oakeshott reveals that for all his Eurosceptic posturing he has privately declared he would not quit the EU

    http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/Politics/article1615183.ece?CMP=OTH-gnws-standard-2015_10_03

    I guess the co- authors are going out guns blazing - more evidence lite stuff coming..

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3258485/Samantha-Cameron-left-furious-untrue-smear-against-marriage-husband-David-Lord-Ashcroft-s-bombshell-biography-PM.html
    It’s in the Mail, it must be true!
    What makes that interesting is that Samantha Cameron could sue Lord Ashcroft for libel without it distracting much from government business. If she really is furious about what she thinks is a baseless smear, it might be a way for the Camerons to consign this book's credibility to the rubbish bin without having to have a messy examination of David Cameron's past.
    it would simply increase book sales and no obvious gain. They could always lose who knows with these things. Cyclefree summed it up the other day where she said she spends more of, her time persuading people not to sue as it is inherently risky. Even if you are in the right. Best to ignore it will end up in the Tesco bargain baskets soon enough.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,909



    You're rather keen to assume that Russia's claims are true. Let's wait and see.

    I'd also like to see evidence for "Not cutting off any of their supply lines." And please, this time, no links to a news organisation whose owner is best buds with Assad.

    On another point, you're telling the US off for action in Afghanistan, yet criticising them for being too hesitant in Syria. Perhaps (rightly(( trying to follow the rules of law is the cause of some of the hesitancy, especially when people back home are keen to blame them for everything?

    Where have I told the US off for action in Afghanistan? I'm telling our supine media and political class off for parading manipulative images of suffering in Syria to build a case against Assad, but excusing (quite reasonably) US collateral damage. Do you think the Syrian 'rebels' haven't twigged that they can shelter in schools hospitals and mosques?
    You seemed to be moaning about it below.

    The case against Assad is strong. It;s just that you don't believe the copious evidence, yet are strangely very keen to jump on Russia's utterly unverified claim about ISIS's weakness.

    Since you're not even willing to believe that Assad gassed his own citizens back in 2013, there seems little that you would be willing to blame Assad for. And given your previous comments on the Ukraine, the same seems to be true for Russia and Putin.
    Well, time will tell won't it? If ISIS continues to grow and expand in spite of the efforts of the new coalition, I will have been proven wrong.

  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Game over...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,997
    well that's buggered it....
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Moses_ said:

    Cookie said:

    SeanT said:

    Imagine the last England group match, against Andorra or Tahiti or whoever it is. So utterly embarrassing. It will just be a chorus of boos and derision from the crowd, with no interest whatsoever in the result. What player would WANT to play that match? Why risk your cullions for an exercise in the excruciating?

    Risible.

    But why would there be boos? This isn't a good performance, but nor is it a desperately poor one. There is no lack of effort, nor of adventure. And there is no shame in losing to better teams. I'm disappointed, but can't be angry about it.
    There is an insufficiency of being able to catch and pass and maintain possession.
    ...... And score tries.
    The England try was good but summing it up the scorer should never have risked being tackled by two Aussies when he could have passed right to the wing who could have then walked to the line and no tackles.
    Unnecessary risk which sums up both this and the Welsh games really

    Looking a bit better now though....
    No it ain't..... We're done.
  • Sodding French referee.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    That is all over.....
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,745
    Moses_ said:

    That is all over.....

    It is now.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,997
    Rout...
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Humiliation complete

    Well done Aussies

  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    edited October 2015

    “Only” 10 points behind now.

    only 18
    9 turnovers by Aussies
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,739
    Wrote a note on the way here. Simply said: Bugger.
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    Well that was shit. All down to Scotland's cunning plan, or the Welsh, but sadly can't see either of them going much further.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865

    “Only” 10 points behind now.

    only 18
    9 turnovers by Aussies
    20 ...... It's a flesh wound.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,745
    edited October 2015

    “Only” 10 points behind now.

    only 18
    9 turnovers by Aussies
    20. At least the Aussies didn’t get a bonus point.
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245

    Wrote a note on the way here. Simply said: Bugger.

    Oh for the like button.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,739
    Moses_ said:

    Humiliation complete

    Well done Aussies

    Who will be predictably intolerable about it.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    #awkward

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQa7OBeWsAAhVV4.jpg

    Though the absence of the detail on the front page leads me to suspect that this particular example may not be Watergate.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,040
    Not a good day for the home countries. I thought the Australia match would be closer than this to be honest. SA pretty much what I expected.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,059
    Well, we did win the Ashes! Congratulations to Australia though and to Wales who now carry the hopes of the home nations
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,739
    Lancaster gone by Monday.
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    Lancaster gone by Monday.

    He's got to quit tonight, doesn't he?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,059
    edited October 2015

    Moses_ said:

    Humiliation complete

    Well done Aussies

    Who will be predictably intolerable about it.
    Luckily the Aussies in my office at the moment are women and a cultured guy from Canberra for whom sport is not a great priority
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,739
    saddened said:

    Wrote a note on the way here. Simply said: Bugger.

    Oh for the like button.
    England's performance in this match reminds me of Captain Darling repeatedly, and increasingly desperately, begging Melchett not to send him to the front.
  • England = Corbyn :lol:
  • In the last sixteen months, the England football, rugby and cricket teams, have all failed to get out of their groups at the World Cup.

    Did we lose a war or something?
  • Elizabeth Windsor ‏@Queen_UK 5 mins5 minutes ago
    Text from Prince Harry: "Poor. As. Piss" #Awkward #ENGvAUS
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,739

    Lancaster gone by Monday.

    He's got to quit tonight, doesn't he?
    He might sleep on it and take soundings from the RFU tomorrow.
  • HYUFD said:

    Well, we did win the Ashes! Congratulations to Australia though and to Wales who now carry the hopes of the home nations

    You've consciously uncoupled, haven't you?
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Elizabeth Windsor ‏@Queen_UK 5 mins5 minutes ago
    Text from Prince Harry: "Poor. As. Piss" #Awkward #ENGvAUS

    Were they as poor as the Scots?
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,842
    If Uruguay beat Fiji then England will need a win to avoid having to qualify.
  • antifrank said:

    #awkward

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQa7OBeWsAAhVV4.jpg

    Though the absence of the detail on the front page leads me to suspect that this particular example may not be Watergate.

    Come on, don't be silly, that's great news for the Nats and the Scottish Independence cause.
  • Elizabeth Windsor ‏@Queen_UK 5 mins5 minutes ago
    Text from Prince Harry: "Poor. As. Piss" #Awkward #ENGvAUS

    Were they as poor as the Scots?
    Worse, for all the money ploughed in, all the hype, yep worse.
  • I thought I'm not taking this result well, but this Mail reader......

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQa6l7pWEAArrrG.jpg
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,059

    HYUFD said:

    Well, we did win the Ashes! Congratulations to Australia though and to Wales who now carry the hopes of the home nations

    You've consciously uncoupled, haven't you?
    No, not at all, we are still a United Kingdom and I will support whichever of the home nations remain (except if they play France who I have bet on to win)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,059

    In the last sixteen months, the England football, rugby and cricket teams, have all failed to get out of their groups at the World Cup.

    Did we lose a war or something?

    The England cricket team did win the Ashes though
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,739
    I genuinely feel sorry for Chris Robshaw. Easily the most likeable England Captain we've had in a long time: he throws himself heart & soul into every match, and clearly lives and breathes the game.

    You can tell this means the world for him. He looks absolutely gutted. But, at the end of the day, sadly he just wasn't good enough.
  • Still on the bright side, if we beat Uruguay next week, then we get to play in the Europa League at least.....
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,739
    Radio 5 Live - call-in from a Geordie listener: "Robshaw is the worst decision-maker since Maggie Thatcher and the Poll Tax."
  • SeanT said:

    Lancaster gone by Monday.

    He's got to quit tonight, doesn't he?
    He might sleep on it and take soundings from the RFU tomorrow.
    As far as I can recall, Lancaster has won NOTHING. No grand slams, no cups, not even a championship? Now the worst humiliation of all. Given the resources he has, this is utterly unacceptable. He has to go. And I suspect he knows it.

    It's a bit like Miliband, tho, should he stay on a couple of weeks, to oversee the degradation of the last match against Djibouti, or does he quit overnight? Either way he goes.
    Lucky chap - he still has around 3 years left on his contract, so presumably he's in line for a monumentally large pay-off.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Sunday Mail front page nasty for Nicola

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQa7vYfWgAA8Ngp.jpg:large
  • Kin Hell, I think Scrapheap might be ahead of me in the fantasy football.

    :-)
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,745

    SeanT said:

    Lancaster gone by Monday.

    He's got to quit tonight, doesn't he?
    He might sleep on it and take soundings from the RFU tomorrow.
    As far as I can recall, Lancaster has won NOTHING. No grand slams, no cups, not even a championship? Now the worst humiliation of all. Given the resources he has, this is utterly unacceptable. He has to go. And I suspect he knows it.

    It's a bit like Miliband, tho, should he stay on a couple of weeks, to oversee the degradation of the last match against Djibouti, or does he quit overnight? Either way he goes.
    Lucky chap - he still has around 3 years left on his contract, so presumably he's in line for a monumentally large pay-off.
    I don’t understand this; sacked for not achieving what he was paid to do, and he gets a pay off!

    I wish that had applied to me when I ran a small, and ultimately unsuccessful, business.
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    Lancaster gone by Monday.

    He's got to quit tonight, doesn't he?
    He might sleep on it and take soundings from the RFU tomorrow.
    The ITV commentator said (unless I misheard) that the RFU chief exec was at pitchside for the last training session before this match. That sounds like a pretty clear threat.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    We may need to launch a "save Michelle" campaign...

    @newsundayherald: Investigation: Emails reveal how the economic case for independence was undermined by scandal-hit MP Michelle Thomson
    Full story tmrw
  • Kin Hell, I think Scrapheap might be ahead of me in the fantasy football.

    :-)
    To be fair half my team plays tomorrow. So it wont last
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Jeremy Corbyn's decision to duck out of the opening match of the rugby looks astute in hindsight.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,739
    SeanT said:

    I genuinely feel sorry for Chris Robshaw. Easily the most likeable England Captain we've had in a long time: he throws himself heart & soul into every match, and clearly lives and breathes the game.

    You can tell this means the world for him. He looks absolutely gutted. But, at the end of the day, sadly he just wasn't good enough.

    He's a decent-ish player and a terrible captain. He also now has the terrible taint of loser and failure, after England's worst rugby humiliation ever. Can't see how his position is remotely sustainable.
    I agree, but this is going to cut him up for the rest of his life. I genuinely feel for the guy.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,997
    The only slight upside on the whole England debacle is that at least ITV didn't have Adrian Chiles undertaking the autopsy....
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,709
    Bad times. First May, now this.

    England still only win the World Cup under Labour.

    We need to get Labour in by 2019.
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Still, could be worse. We could have been all out for 60.
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    SeanT said:

    The English rugby team is oddly reminiscent of Labour in May 2015.

    Anticipating possible narrow triumph, certainly a close contest into the later stages of the night.. then wholly, bewilderingly humiliated, right at the beginning.

    That's unfair. It was pretty close until the last 10 minutes.
  • Kin Hell, I think Scrapheap might be ahead of me in the fantasy football.

    :-)
    To be fair half my team plays tomorrow. So it wont last
    Weak midfield though....
  • 2015 must be an awful year if you're a Blairite English rugby loving person who works for an opinion pollster
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,059
    SeanT said:

    The English rugby team is oddly reminiscent of Labour in May 2015.

    Anticipating possible narrow triumph, certainly a close contest into the later stages of the night.. then wholly, bewilderingly humiliated, right at the beginning.

    Except you are English
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Scott_P said:

    We may need to launch a "save Michelle" campaign...

    @newsundayherald: Investigation: Emails reveal how the economic case for independence was undermined by scandal-hit MP Michelle Thomson
    Full story tmrw

    Return to base Agent Thomson !
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    I genuinely feel sorry for Chris Robshaw. Easily the most likeable England Captain we've had in a long time: he throws himself heart & soul into every match, and clearly lives and breathes the game.

    You can tell this means the world for him. He looks absolutely gutted. But, at the end of the day, sadly he just wasn't good enough.

    Lives and breathes the game? I hope not! If I had a really bad day at the office and a girlfriend who looked like his other half Camilla Kerslake I'd easily manage to find a way to cheer myself up when I got home.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,739
    BBC: "Will you be considering your position?"

    Lancaster: "Well, yeah. But it won't just be me. ... Accountability and responsibility lies with me."
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,709

    2015 must be an awful year if you're a Blairite English rugby loving person who works for an opinion pollster

    At least I don't work for a pollster.
  • 2015 must be an awful year if you're a Blairite English rugby loving person who works for an opinion pollster

    ...... as well as being a season ticket holder at Stamford Bridge.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    2015 must be an awful year if you're a Blairite English rugby loving person who works for an opinion pollster

    Could be an ugly weekend next week for us Jocks - could get knocked out of 2 World Cups in 72 hrs (footie and rugby )
  • KingaKinga Posts: 59
    As usual, England's press and public got well ahead of themselves. That four of the world's top ten nations can be put in the same qualification group does not reflect well on the IRC but nonetheless they should have done better. Bottom line, Australia were much much better than England.
  • @domharvey92:Humiliating yes, but not 60 all out before lunch humiliating... #ENGvAUS
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,739
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    I genuinely feel sorry for Chris Robshaw. Easily the most likeable England Captain we've had in a long time: he throws himself heart & soul into every match, and clearly lives and breathes the game.

    You can tell this means the world for him. He looks absolutely gutted. But, at the end of the day, sadly he just wasn't good enough.

    He's a decent-ish player and a terrible captain. He also now has the terrible taint of loser and failure, after England's worst rugby humiliation ever. Can't see how his position is remotely sustainable.
    I agree, but this is going to cut him up for the rest of his life. I genuinely feel for the guy.
    I don't. He's a loser. Fuck losers. Throw them in the sea etc. Heh.

    *should say am drinking lots of nice red wine to celebrate my top ten amazon French ranking*
    It shows.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Following on from Dair's earlier quip.....

    This was " Final Destination 6 " as a result of the England squad tripping over and running into each other yet still exiting the tunnel and making it to the pitch unscathed.
  • Jonathan said:

    2015 must be an awful year if you're a Blairite English rugby loving person who works for an opinion pollster

    At least I don't work for a pollster.
    I feel your pain
  • TGOHF said:

    2015 must be an awful year if you're a Blairite English rugby loving person who works for an opinion pollster

    Could be an ugly weekend next week for us Jocks - could get knocked out of 2 World Cups in 72 hrs (footie and rugby )
    World cup in football?
  • TGOHF said:

    2015 must be an awful year if you're a Blairite English rugby loving person who works for an opinion pollster

    Could be an ugly weekend next week for us Jocks - could get knocked out of 2 World Cups in 72 hrs (footie and rugby )
    Well it is the euros, but I really, genuinely want Scotland to qualify for Euro 2016.

    Crying shame that the Tartan Army haven't been to any international tournaments this century
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    SeanT said:

    Lancaster gone by Monday.

    He's got to quit tonight, doesn't he?
    He might sleep on it and take soundings from the RFU tomorrow.
    As far as I can recall, Lancaster has won NOTHING. No grand slams, no cups, not even a championship? Now the worst humiliation of all. Given the resources he has, this is utterly unacceptable. He has to go. And I suspect he knows it.

    It's a bit like Miliband, tho, should he stay on a couple of weeks, to oversee the degradation of the last match against Djibouti, or does he quit overnight? Either way he goes.
    I'm sure Lancaster will have everything sorted out for 2019.

    Stuart Lancaster (born 9 October 1969) is the Head Coach of the English national rugby union team, a position he has held from 2011. Lancaster is contracted until 2020.[1]

    It's in Japan, what could possibly go wrong.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    She's under a double decker...

    @MichaelPDeacon: Wow. Thomson forced Yes to have no answer to the currency question then pushed the oil price through the floor https://t.co/7mVYRonkby
  • SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    I genuinely feel sorry for Chris Robshaw. Easily the most likeable England Captain we've had in a long time: he throws himself heart & soul into every match, and clearly lives and breathes the game.

    You can tell this means the world for him. He looks absolutely gutted. But, at the end of the day, sadly he just wasn't good enough.

    He's a decent-ish player and a terrible captain. He also now has the terrible taint of loser and failure, after England's worst rugby humiliation ever. Can't see how his position is remotely sustainable.
    I agree, but this is going to cut him up for the rest of his life. I genuinely feel for the guy.
    I don't. He's a loser. Fuck losers. Throw them in the sea etc. Heh.

    *should say am drinking lots of nice red wine to celebrate my top ten amazon French ranking*
    Exclusive in tomorrow's Sunil on Sunday:

    "Are Thriller Writers mentally ill?"
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JakeReesMogg: A good host always lets their guest win. Well done England. Impeccable manners.

    #ENGvAUS
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108

    Lancaster gone by Monday.

    He's got to quit tonight, doesn't he?
    He might sleep on it and take soundings from the RFU tomorrow.
    The ITV commentator said (unless I misheard) that the RFU chief exec was at pitchside for the last training session before this match. That sounds like a pretty clear threat.
    There's no "threat" they can make.

    He is under contract for the next FIVE years. They either pay him the five years salary, send him on gardening leave for five years, or negotiate a pay off.

    Given that the England Coach is probably the best paid job in World Rugby, I doubt he is eager to negotiate anything below what he is legally entitled to - the full value of the rest of his contract.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    HYUFD said:

    Moses_ said:

    Humiliation complete

    Well done Aussies

    Who will be predictably intolerable about it.
    Luckily the Aussies in my office at the moment are women and a cultured guy from Canberra for whom sport is not a great priority
    Does he live in a Petri dish? I've worked with Strines and am just grateful that that is no longer the case.
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    I genuinely feel sorry for Chris Robshaw. Easily the most likeable England Captain we've had in a long time: he throws himself heart & soul into every match, and clearly lives and breathes the game.

    You can tell this means the world for him. He looks absolutely gutted. But, at the end of the day, sadly he just wasn't good enough.

    He's a decent-ish player and a terrible captain. He also now has the terrible taint of loser and failure, after England's worst rugby humiliation ever. Can't see how his position is remotely sustainable.
    I agree, but this is going to cut him up for the rest of his life. I genuinely feel for the guy.
    I don't. He's a loser. Fuck losers. Throw them in the sea etc. Heh.

    *should say am drinking lots of nice red wine to celebrate my top ten amazon French ranking*
    It shows.
    Stop being sentimental. Robshaw is an extremely lucky, very well paid man with a beautiful partner who has entirely failed at his one job. Because, it turns out, he isn't very good. Why should we feel sorry for him because he is a "nice chap"?

    Get rid. You want the big bucks? - then make the right calls. He didn't. Goodbye.
    Why get worked up over rugby union when the best game of rugby you will see will be at Old Trafford next Saturday?
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    SeanT said:

    The English rugby team is oddly reminiscent of Labour in May 2015.

    Nah.

    Lancaster will still be there in 2020.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    TGOHF said:

    2015 must be an awful year if you're a Blairite English rugby loving person who works for an opinion pollster

    Could be an ugly weekend next week for us Jocks - could get knocked out of 2 World Cups in 72 hrs (footie and rugby )
    Well it is the euros, but I really, genuinely want Scotland to qualify for Euro 2016.

    Crying shame that the Tartan Army haven't been to any international tournaments this century
    My bad - Thursday vs Lewandowski and Poland - gulp.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    @JournoStephen: The BBC, secret Canadians, Michelle Thomson... When will it be Salmond's fault for losing that referendum he lost? https://t.co/lANtvHrYmW
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591

    Still, could be worse. We could have been all out for 60.

    That memory will comfort me in some dark sporting times.
  • TGOHF said:

    2015 must be an awful year if you're a Blairite English rugby loving person who works for an opinion pollster

    Could be an ugly weekend next week for us Jocks - could get knocked out of 2 World Cups in 72 hrs (footie and rugby )
    World cup in football?
    Lol.
    Us plastic Jocks.
  • Lancaster is so toast... but does he resign too quickly and risk a wildcard appointment of Jim Bowen being voted in as the new team leader by bullyfans?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,059

    HYUFD said:

    Moses_ said:

    Humiliation complete

    Well done Aussies

    Who will be predictably intolerable about it.
    Luckily the Aussies in my office at the moment are women and a cultured guy from Canberra for whom sport is not a great priority
    Does he live in a Petri dish? I've worked with Strines and am just grateful that that is no longer the case.
    The stereotype of Aussies is not universal although I am sure even he will have noticed the result
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