It may have been less bad than the later horrors of Stalinism at its worse but the idea that it was a land of milk and honey and that no-one had any inkling of the horrors is nonsense.
Who suggested that?
I had understood you to be saying that in the 1920's the horrors of Communism and Fascism were not known. If I have misunderstood you, my apologies.
@severincarrell: BREAKING: election court judges rule that @acarmichaelmp "self talking" about his ignorance of #nikkileaks memo does meet legal test 1/2
So @acarmichaelmp complainants win first round victory on Representation of People's act case: now for further hearings 2/2
Is there an English translation of this?
There's evidence that Alastair Carmichael was a very naughty boy but we should have further hearings to find out, if he has been as naughty as his opponents say, we might have a by-election
He may feel it is in his best interest to resign no rather than face the humiliation of trying to defend his lying in court (on national television).
Well Carmichael had a better chance of standing down and fighting a by election on the grounds that he may have misled some of his voters. Honourable and probably his best chance of being re-elected.
Honestly, it's endless goalpost shifting and we're on Day 17. Nothing Corbyn stood on as a man-of-principle seems to be left standing. It's either been shifted back to the EdMLand or kicked into the long grass of Let's Talk About It.
'A lot of this seems to stem from Corbyn's yes, but no, but yes, oh let's talk about it.'
After Ed's five years of policy reviews,Corbyn winning on a very clear policy platform,every policy now has to be reviewed yet again.
The suckers who voted for him?
The suckers know they just have to wait until the purges are complete. Corbyn/McDonnell/et al know the shadow cabinet and PLP are not with him. They have to get rid of them. They have not changed their minds, and as an opposition their 'U-Turn' means nothing when and if in power they do another U-Turn.
Here, the focus group mood changed, getting much trickier for Corbyn. Voters don’t know where he stands on immigration. They are also unsure where he stands on the economy and what little they have heard suggests his diagnosis of the problem may not precisely chime with their own. Some are unsettled by stories they’ve picked up about Corbyn’s past. Can it really be true that he supported the IRA?
Mrs C, the excellent first three Mass Effect games dealt with a comparable premise, whereby super-advanced machines wiped out civilisation in the galaxy every hundred thousand years or so.
I had to look that one up. It does sound similar. The nice thing about Benford's hero (Nigel Walmsley) is that he has a delightful way of winding up his employer (NASA) and getting away with it.
My reading list is pretty long, and I perhaps made the mistake of concurrently reading two books with a combined page count exceeding 3,500, so it'll be a while before I'm on anything else. (Words of Radiance and Three Kingdoms, for those interested).
I have similar issues. I just finished one series and now I am on book two of another. Nothing serious, just a bit of fun. Thank heavens for my Kindle App
Mrs C, I'm trying to avoid series (completed series, at least) and go for stand-alones, so I can read more without just going through a whole series at once.
Re The Army and being told what to do..Deep field forces are not told what to do.. they act upon their own intelligence and decide what is the best way to achieve an objective..just what an MP should be doing..
malcolm's frame of reference, are the actions of his fellow obsequious Nat foot soldiers, blindly plodding along behind their one true leader.
you thick turnip , I am not and have never been associated with the SNP.
Re The Army and being told what to do..Deep field forces are not told what to do.. they act upon their own intelligence and decide what is the best way to achieve an objective..just what an MP should be doing..
malcolm's frame of reference, are the actions of his fellow obsequious Nat foot soldiers, blindly plodding along behind their one true leader.
I had Malc down as more of a free thinker , released from the shackles of party cult tendencies. You live and learn..
Harry, if you are learning off that turnip head , you will have far to go.
@severincarrell: BREAKING: election court judges rule that @acarmichaelmp "self talking" about his ignorance of #nikkileaks memo does meet legal test 1/2
So @acarmichaelmp complainants win first round victory on Representation of People's act case: now for further hearings 2/2
Is there an English translation of this?
There's evidence that Alastair Carmichael was a very naughty boy but we should have further hearings to find out, if he has been as naughty as his opponents say, we might have a by-election
He may feel it is in his best interest to resign no rather than face the humiliation of trying to defend his lying in court (on national television).
Well Carmichael had a better chance of standing down and fighting a by election on the grounds that he may have misled some of his voters. Honourable and probably his best chance of being re-elected.
As far as I understand it, the lie in question was that he denied being the leaker. I may be wrong, but doesn't he still stand by the claim that at the time of the leak he thought the contents of the memo to be true? He later accepted that the memo wan't accurate, and that he was the source of the leak.
The witch hunt surrounding this and the faux outrage from the SNP and travelling supporters has been quite an eye-opener.
I agree that he could stand down and seek re-election, but expect howls of outrage from SNP if he does. Perhaps he should if only to lay open the rotten core of our "government".
Honestly, it's endless goalpost shifting and we're on Day 17. Nothing Corbyn stood on as a man-of-principle seems to be left standing. It's either been shifted back to the EdMLand or kicked into the long grass of Let's Talk About It.
'A lot of this seems to stem from Corbyn's yes, but no, but yes, oh let's talk about it.'
After Ed's five years of policy reviews,Corbyn winning on a very clear policy platform,every policy now has to be reviewed yet again.
The suckers who voted for him?
The problem may come when all the £3ers start to realise that the headlong rush to the left has not actually taken place. Trident, Nato, 60p tax etc etc. Not happening.
Honestly, it's endless goalpost shifting and we're on Day 17. Nothing Corbyn stood on as a man-of-principle seems to be left standing. It's either been shifted back to the EdMLand or kicked into the long grass of Let's Talk About It.
'A lot of this seems to stem from Corbyn's yes, but no, but yes, oh let's talk about it.'
After Ed's five years of policy reviews,Corbyn winning on a very clear policy platform,every policy now has to be reviewed yet again.
The suckers who voted for him?
The problem may come when all the £3ers start to realise that the headlong rush to the left has not actually taken place. Trident, Nato, 60p tax etc etc. Not happening.
BTW, while I remember, whatever happened to that world changing book by Lord Ashcroft? Is the govt still in charge? Has the world order collapsed yet?
I just thought I would ask because it seems that everyone has forgotten about it
What book?
The horrifying book that caused a fair chunk of the populace to conflate putting one's penis in a pig's head with having oral sex with a porcine. Allow me to express my pity for the sexual partners of those people; they're clearly labouring under some severe misapprehensions .
Honestly, it's endless goalpost shifting and we're on Day 17. Nothing Corbyn stood on as a man-of-principle seems to be left standing. It's either been shifted back to the EdMLand or kicked into the long grass of Let's Talk About It.
'A lot of this seems to stem from Corbyn's yes, but no, but yes, oh let's talk about it.'
After Ed's five years of policy reviews,Corbyn winning on a very clear policy platform,every policy now has to be reviewed yet again.
The suckers who voted for him?
The problem may come when all the £3ers start to realise that the headlong rush to the left has not actually taken place. Trident, Nato, 60p tax etc etc. Not happening.
It will certainly stop a flood of Greens jumping ship I suspect.
Honestly, it's endless goalpost shifting and we're on Day 17. Nothing Corbyn stood on as a man-of-principle seems to be left standing. It's either been shifted back to the EdMLand or kicked into the long grass of Let's Talk About It.
'A lot of this seems to stem from Corbyn's yes, but no, but yes, oh let's talk about it.'
After Ed's five years of policy reviews,Corbyn winning on a very clear policy platform,every policy now has to be reviewed yet again.
The suckers who voted for him?
The problem may come when all the £3ers start to realise that the headlong rush to the left has not actually taken place. Trident, Nato, 60p tax etc etc. Not happening.
He is still committed to a 50p rate opposed to military action of any kind proposing a Robin Hood tax on the city and to rationalise the railways and also oppose any spending cuts it seems
Mrs C, the excellent first three Mass Effect games dealt with a comparable premise, whereby super-advanced machines wiped out civilisation in the galaxy every hundred thousand years or so.
My reading list is pretty long, and I perhaps made the mistake of concurrently reading two books with a combined page count exceeding 3,500, so it'll be a while before I'm on anything else. (Words of Radiance and Three Kingdoms, for those interested).
Edited extra bit: Mr. F, only read the one book [Mountains of Madness, I think] by Lovecraft, but he's a very influential chap. That's a rather nice quote, as you say.
Mr Dancer, let me also recommend 'The Forge of God' and 'Anvil of Stars' by Greg Bear. It examines first contact with some extremely uncuddly aliens.
Honestly, it's endless goalpost shifting and we're on Day 17. Nothing Corbyn stood on as a man-of-principle seems to be left standing. It's either been shifted back to the EdMLand or kicked into the long grass of Let's Talk About It.
'A lot of this seems to stem from Corbyn's yes, but no, but yes, oh let's talk about it.'
After Ed's five years of policy reviews,Corbyn winning on a very clear policy platform,every policy now has to be reviewed yet again.
The suckers who voted for him?
The problem may come when all the £3ers start to realise that the headlong rush to the left has not actually taken place. Trident, Nato, 60p tax etc etc. Not happening.
He is still committed to a 50p rate opposed to military action of any kind proposing a Robin Hood tax on the city and to rationalise the railways and also oppose any spending cuts it seems
Not sure this will be enough for the hard core Trot. Not exactly Petrograd. We will see.
Re The Army and being told what to do..Deep field forces are not told what to do.. they act upon their own intelligence and decide what is the best way to achieve an objective..just what an MP should be doing..
malcolm's frame of reference, are the actions of his fellow obsequious Nat foot soldiers, blindly plodding along behind their one true leader.
you thick turnip , I am not and have never been associated with the SNP.
Yet you confuse any sleight against them, as a slur on Scotland.
Honestly, it's endless goalpost shifting and we're on Day 17. Nothing Corbyn stood on as a man-of-principle seems to be left standing. It's either been shifted back to the EdMLand or kicked into the long grass of Let's Talk About It.
'A lot of this seems to stem from Corbyn's yes, but no, but yes, oh let's talk about it.'
After Ed's five years of policy reviews,Corbyn winning on a very clear policy platform,every policy now has to be reviewed yet again.
The suckers who voted for him?
The problem may come when all the £3ers start to realise that the headlong rush to the left has not actually taken place. Trident, Nato, 60p tax etc etc. Not happening.
He is still committed to a 50p rate opposed to military action of any kind proposing a Robin Hood tax on the city and to rationalise the railways and also oppose any spending cuts it seems
Not sure this will be enough for the hard core Trot. Not exactly Petrograd. We will see.
Enough for Ken Loach it seems and he has opposed every Labour leader since Foot
@severincarrell: BREAKING: election court judges rule that @acarmichaelmp "self talking" about his ignorance of #nikkileaks memo does meet legal test 1/2
So @acarmichaelmp complainants win first round victory on Representation of People's act case: now for further hearings 2/2
Is there an English translation of this?
There's evidence that Alastair Carmichael was a very naughty boy but we should have further hearings to find out, if he has been as naughty as his opponents say, we might have a by-election
Hyslop, TITP - ooh look a huge Carmichael.... !
So now we have SNP running the judges as well, they really are in charge
Honestly, it's endless goalpost shifting and we're on Day 17. Nothing Corbyn stood on as a man-of-principle seems to be left standing. It's either been shifted back to the EdMLand or kicked into the long grass of Let's Talk About It.
'A lot of this seems to stem from Corbyn's yes, but no, but yes, oh let's talk about it.'
After Ed's five years of policy reviews,Corbyn winning on a very clear policy platform,every policy now has to be reviewed yet again.
The suckers who voted for him?
The problem may come when all the £3ers start to realise that the headlong rush to the left has not actually taken place. Trident, Nato, 60p tax etc etc. Not happening.
He is still committed to a 50p rate opposed to military action of any kind proposing a Robin Hood tax on the city and to rationalise the railways and also oppose any spending cuts it seems
Not sure this will be enough for the hard core Trot. Not exactly Petrograd. We will see.
Think even Corbyn may step back from shooting the Royal Family
Honestly, it's endless goalpost shifting and we're on Day 17. Nothing Corbyn stood on as a man-of-principle seems to be left standing. It's either been shifted back to the EdMLand or kicked into the long grass of Let's Talk About It.
'A lot of this seems to stem from Corbyn's yes, but no, but yes, oh let's talk about it.'
After Ed's five years of policy reviews,Corbyn winning on a very clear policy platform,every policy now has to be reviewed yet again.
The suckers who voted for him?
The problem may come when all the £3ers start to realise that the headlong rush to the left has not actually taken place. Trident, Nato, 60p tax etc etc. Not happening.
Not happening _yet_. We can draw upon the wonderful 'Invasion of the Body Snatchers' as our guide here. There are still some Labour MPs who haven't yet been Corbynated. Give it time.
He is still committed to a 50p rate opposed to military action of any kind proposing a Robin Hood tax on the city and to rationalise the railways and also oppose any spending cuts it seems
And the great thing is that, if you don't agree with those views, there are other senior members of the Shadow Cabinet who hold the opposite views. There's something for everyone in the New Politics (Version 2.0).
Admittedly the New Politics Version 1.0 (codename 'Clegg') wasn't a great success in the end, despite enthusiastic early reviews, but hope are high that Version 2.0 will sell well. The only slightly odd thing is that it's already thirty years out of date.
@severincarrell: BREAKING: election court judges rule that @acarmichaelmp "self talking" about his ignorance of #nikkileaks memo does meet legal test 1/2
So @acarmichaelmp complainants win first round victory on Representation of People's act case: now for further hearings 2/2
Is there an English translation of this?
There's evidence that Alastair Carmichael was a very naughty boy but we should have further hearings to find out, if he has been as naughty as his opponents say, we might have a by-election
Hyslop, TITP - ooh look a huge Carmichael.... !
So now we have SNP running the judges as well, they really are in charge
A fib regarding political spinning vs. mortgage fraud vs. misuse of public funds - which is the bigger crime ?
He is still committed to a 50p rate opposed to military action of any kind proposing a Robin Hood tax on the city and to rationalise the railways and also oppose any spending cuts it seems
And the great things is that, if you don't agree with those views, there are other senior members of the Shadow Cabinet who hold the opposite views. There's something for everyone in the New Politics (Version 2.0).
Admittedly the New Politics Version 1.0 (codename 'Clegg') wasn't a great success in the end, despite enthusiastic early reviews, but hope are high that Version 2.0 will sell well. The only slightly odd thing is that it's already thirty years out of date.
Labour should be wary of giving credence to a very suspect number. The £93bn figure now routinely used to evaluate the scale of “corporate welfare” in Britain is badly misleading. If the Labour Party is to re-establish its economic credibility, it needs to give the number a very wide berth.
@severincarrell: BREAKING: election court judges rule that @acarmichaelmp "self talking" about his ignorance of #nikkileaks memo does meet legal test 1/2
So @acarmichaelmp complainants win first round victory on Representation of People's act case: now for further hearings 2/2
Is there an English translation of this?
There's evidence that Alastair Carmichael was a very naughty boy but we should have further hearings to find out, if he has been as naughty as his opponents say, we might have a by-election
He may feel it is in his best interest to resign no rather than face the humiliation of trying to defend his lying in court (on national television).
Well Carmichael had a better chance of standing down and fighting a by election on the grounds that he may have misled some of his voters. Honourable and probably his best chance of being re-elected.
@severincarrell: BREAKING: election court judges rule that @acarmichaelmp "self talking" about his ignorance of #nikkileaks memo does meet legal test 1/2
So @acarmichaelmp complainants win first round victory on Representation of People's act case: now for further hearings 2/2
Is there an English translation of this?
There's evidence that Alastair Carmichael was a very naughty boy but we should have further hearings to find out, if he has been as naughty as his opponents say, we might have a by-election
Hyslop, TITP - ooh look a huge Carmichael.... !
So now we have SNP running the judges as well, they really are in charge
A fib regarding political spinning vs. mortgage fraud vs. misuse of public funds - which is the bigger crime ?
One is a proven liar as he admits himself , the rest is idle speculation at this point by people with axes to grind and not enough brains to do it.
Re The Army and being told what to do..Deep field forces are not told what to do.. they act upon their own intelligence and decide what is the best way to achieve an objective..just what an MP should be doing..
malcolm's frame of reference, are the actions of his fellow obsequious Nat foot soldiers, blindly plodding along behind their one true leader.
you thick turnip , I am not and have never been associated with the SNP.
Yet you confuse any sleight against them, as a slur on Scotland.
@severincarrell: BREAKING: election court judges rule that @acarmichaelmp "self talking" about his ignorance of #nikkileaks memo does meet legal test 1/2
So @acarmichaelmp complainants win first round victory on Representation of People's act case: now for further hearings 2/2
Is there an English translation of this?
There's evidence that Alastair Carmichael was a very naughty boy but we should have further hearings to find out, if he has been as naughty as his opponents say, we might have a by-election
He may feel it is in his best interest to resign no rather than face the humiliation of trying to defend his lying in court (on national television).
Well Carmichael had a better chance of standing down and fighting a by election on the grounds that he may have misled some of his voters. Honourable and probably his best chance of being re-elected.
LOL, honourable and Libdems are oxymorons.
Well the Lib Dems keep choosing the dishonourable route and wonder why the voters walk away.
Re The Army and being told what to do..Deep field forces are not told what to do.. they act upon their own intelligence and decide what is the best way to achieve an objective..just what an MP should be doing..
malcolm's frame of reference, are the actions of his fellow obsequious Nat foot soldiers, blindly plodding along behind their one true leader.
you thick turnip , I am not and have never been associated with the SNP.
Yet you confuse any sleight against them, as a slur on Scotland.
What a muddled up erchie you are.
Your village is calling
Indeed it is. You.
The Parish Council has agreed to sponsor a comedy idiot - are you up for the challenge? Free ginger wig, and all the Tunnocks tea cakes you can eat.
@severincarrell: BREAKING: election court judges rule that @acarmichaelmp "self talking" about his ignorance of #nikkileaks memo does meet legal test 1/2
So @acarmichaelmp complainants win first round victory on Representation of People's act case: now for further hearings 2/2
Is there an English translation of this?
There's evidence that Alastair Carmichael was a very naughty boy but we should have further hearings to find out, if he has been as naughty as his opponents say, we might have a by-election
He may feel it is in his best interest to resign no rather than face the humiliation of trying to defend his lying in court (on national television).
Well Carmichael had a better chance of standing down and fighting a by election on the grounds that he may have misled some of his voters. Honourable and probably his best chance of being re-elected.
As far as I understand it, the lie in question was that he denied being the leaker. I may be wrong, but doesn't he still stand by the claim that at the time of the leak he thought the contents of the memo to be true? He later accepted that the memo wan't accurate, and that he was the source of the leak.
The witch hunt surrounding this and the faux outrage from the SNP and travelling supporters has been quite an eye-opener.
I agree that he could stand down and seek re-election, but expect howls of outrage from SNP if he does. Perhaps he should if only to lay open the rotten core of our "government".
He lied about two things which he now accepts were lies at the time.
That he had no knowledge of the memo before it was published. That he was not involved in leaking the memo.
From the court's statement today and the requests they're making for further information, his only likely hope is that the court rules that the lies did not effect the return of a candidate or that they did not effect his personal character.
His majority is too small for the first one to have much chance. So basically he will be arguing that lying to win an election is not a reflection on his personal character. Perhaps there is some grounds there if he can establish that most people think "all politicians are liars" to start with?
@severincarrell: BREAKING: election court judges rule that @acarmichaelmp "self talking" about his ignorance of #nikkileaks memo does meet legal test 1/2
So @acarmichaelmp complainants win first round victory on Representation of People's act case: now for further hearings 2/2
Is there an English translation of this?
There's evidence that Alastair Carmichael was a very naughty boy but we should have further hearings to find out, if he has been as naughty as his opponents say, we might have a by-election
He may feel it is in his best interest to resign no rather than face the humiliation of trying to defend his lying in court (on national television).
Slightly different approach than that you took last night.
If this guy had been SNP normal service would have been resumed no doubt.
@severincarrell: BREAKING: election court judges rule that @acarmichaelmp "self talking" about his ignorance of #nikkileaks memo does meet legal test 1/2
So @acarmichaelmp complainants win first round victory on Representation of People's act case: now for further hearings 2/2
Is there an English translation of this?
There's evidence that Alastair Carmichael was a very naughty boy but we should have further hearings to find out, if he has been as naughty as his opponents say, we might have a by-election
He may feel it is in his best interest to resign no rather than face the humiliation of trying to defend his lying in court (on national television).
Well Carmichael had a better chance of standing down and fighting a by election on the grounds that he may have misled some of his voters. Honourable and probably his best chance of being re-elected.
As far as I understand it, the lie in question was that he denied being the leaker. I may be wrong, but doesn't he still stand by the claim that at the time of the leak he thought the contents of the memo to be true? He later accepted that the memo wan't accurate, and that he was the source of the leak.
The witch hunt surrounding this and the faux outrage from the SNP and travelling supporters has been quite an eye-opener.
I agree that he could stand down and seek re-election, but expect howls of outrage from SNP if he does. Perhaps he should if only to lay open the rotten core of our "government".
He lied about two things which he now accepts were lies at the time.
That he had no knowledge of the memo before it was published. That he was not involved in leaking the memo.
From the court's statement today and the requests they're making for further information, his only likely hope is that the court rules that the lies did not effect the return of a candidate or that they did not effect his personal character.
His majority is too small for the first one to have much chance. So basically he will be arguing that lying to win an election is not a reflection on his personal character. Perhaps there is some grounds there if he can establish that most people think "all politicians are liars" to start with?
Still - he didn't defraud a poor English cancer sufferer...
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'A lot of this seems to stem from Corbyn's yes, but no, but yes, oh let's talk about it.'
After Ed's five years of policy reviews,Corbyn winning on a very clear policy platform,every policy now has to be reviewed yet again.
Who's swallowing this BS?
Miliband merely had a blank piece of paper that he was going to fill up.
Whereas JC has psychic paper where you can read whatever you believe on it. Very useful.
I have similar issues. I just finished one series and now I am on book two of another. Nothing serious, just a bit of fun. Thank heavens for my Kindle App
Anyway, time to go do some exercise.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/11898403/Britain-cant-be-Norway-and-Eurosceptics-know-this.html
What, from this refreshing, honest, straight talking guy?? Surely not....
Pity he does not post the 590 pages that are not redacted, keep the absolute donkey busy for a while.
He later accepted that the memo wan't accurate, and that he was the source of the leak.
The witch hunt surrounding this and the faux outrage from the SNP and travelling supporters has been quite an eye-opener.
I agree that he could stand down and seek re-election, but expect howls of outrage from SNP if he does. Perhaps he should if only to lay open the rotten core of our "government".
I was reminded of the part in Animal Farm where the sheep suddenly started chanting 'four legs good, two legs better'
Pete "I used to be in band you know" Wishart up against Bruce Findlay (manager of Simple Minds, amongst others)
It's almost painful to witness
http://www.capx.co/beyond-brighton-labour-conference-looks-utterly-bonkers/
This is quite funny
What a muddled up erchie you are.
Admittedly the New Politics Version 1.0 (codename 'Clegg') wasn't a great success in the end, despite enthusiastic early reviews, but hope are high that Version 2.0 will sell well. The only slightly odd thing is that it's already thirty years out of date.
Yes that made me smile too.
Dear do-gooders, you can't get rid of child labour just by banning it
New Thread New Thread
The Parish Council has agreed to sponsor a comedy idiot - are you up for the challenge? Free ginger wig, and all the Tunnocks tea cakes you can eat.
That he had no knowledge of the memo before it was published.
That he was not involved in leaking the memo.
From the court's statement today and the requests they're making for further information, his only likely hope is that the court rules that the lies did not effect the return of a candidate or that they did not effect his personal character.
His majority is too small for the first one to have much chance. So basically he will be arguing that lying to win an election is not a reflection on his personal character. Perhaps there is some grounds there if he can establish that most people think "all politicians are liars" to start with?
If this guy had been SNP normal service would have been resumed no doubt.