Jezza,, we've all been there, any holes a goal, fair enough. But Diane Abbott, FFS man have you no self respect. It would be like waving your arm around in a warm room.
Yet again, this theory about a new SDP-style party is undone by the fact there quite clearly isn't the public demand for one - as shown by the fact that the most centrist party just got its worst result in 45 years at this year's general election, and the fact no-one was enthused enough to sign up for the SDP-style candidate in the Labour leadership contest even with votes onsale for just £3.
Plus Cameron is far closer to the SDP agenda than Thatcher was
That was a very uncomfortable interview that Corbyn did, the awkwardness oozed out especially of the privy council.
It just points out the utterly undemocratic nature of the United Kingdom. If being a democrat prevents you from any office of state, the country needs reformed.
The Oath of Allegiance and membership of the Privy Council need abolished,
They can be abolished when the UK - or some future iScotland - elects a republican party that then dispenses with the monarchy after a referendum. And when that happens, fair dos.
Until that moment, fuck off. We are a monarchy, and the monarchy enjoys support that politicians can only dream of. What's more, the people's instincts are right: a list of the most contented, prosperous nations on earth shows a preponderance of monarchies. From Australia to Canada, from Sweden to Denmark.
God Save The Queen
Which leaves you fully supporting a non-democratic system whose closest neighbour in terms of political systems is Iran (although in Iran a lot more than 70% of people support the Revolutionary State).
The three hurdles which prevent democrats from holding office are just as effective in preventing a real debate on the matter as those in Iran which maintain the Theocracy.
Until the United Kingdom abolishes the requirement to serve on the Privy Council, the Oath of Allegiance and the national anthem is changed to remove the need to pay homage, then any pretence that the United Kingdom is a democracy is a lie.
Ewww The Times are reporting Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott were lovers in the late 70s
Bit of a ladies man isn't he!
They must be blind - or desperate.
His 3rd wife is quite a stunner (awaits brickbats!) and dresses smartly. He must have something going for him!
He definitely has the touch. His wife was in the audience for his acceptance speech, and she is genuinely attractive. And he is 66!
For all his faults, Corbyn is comfortable in his skin, and clearly confident in his beliefs, and has a roguish look. He is also quite alpha - look at him in the photos of the new Shadow Cabinet, he looks like the aged lion in charge of a bizarre pride.
But this socialist charm does not translate to national votes. There are lots of alpha males on fringe politics, left and right. They are attracted to the confused poontang. Read across for religious cults.
I assume "confused poontang" is some more filthy sexual innuendo I should not know about.
Jezza,, we've all been there, any holes a goal, fair enough. But Diane Abbott, FFS man have you no self respect. It would be like waving your arm around in a warm room.
That was a very uncomfortable interview that Corbyn did, the awkwardness oozed out especially of the privy council.
It just points out the utterly undemocratic nature of the United Kingdom. If being a democrat prevents you from any office of state, the country needs reformed.
The Oath of Allegiance and membership of the Privy Council need abolished,
They can be abolished when the UK - or some future iScotland - elects a republican party that then dispenses with the monarchy after a referendum. And when that happens, fair dos.
Until that moment, fuck off. We are a monarchy, and the monarchy enjoys support that politicians can only dream of. What's more, the people's instincts are right: a list of the most contented, prosperous nations on earth shows a preponderance of monarchies. From Australia to Canada, from Sweden to Denmark.
God Save The Queen
Which leaves you fully supporting a non-democratic system whose closest neighbour in terms of political systems is Iran (although in Iran a lot more than 70% of people support the Revolutionary State).
The three hurdles which prevent democrats from holding office are just as effective in preventing a real debate on the matter as those in Iran which maintain the Theocracy.
Until the United Kingdom abolishes the requirement to serve on the Privy Council, the Oath of Allegiance and the national anthem is changed to remove the need to pay homage, then any pretence that the United Kingdom is a democracy is a lie.
I know. It is disgusting the way we have every facet of our lives dominated by all powerful Royal family. We have to meekly ask permission of them to change our government, touch our forelock and bow every time we spend any money decorated with a portrait of the feared and repressive leader. Nothing is so important in modern life as our freedom from this vicious continued oppression.
I really should be writing a thread on this YouGov poll and all I can think about it Jezza and Diane's *happy faces*
Any therapists out there?
Gustave Flaubert once said that he'd given up sex, because he couldn't abide the image of his own stupid face locked in a stupid rictus grimace of "joy" as he orgasmed during coition.
That was a very uncomfortable interview that Corbyn did, the awkwardness oozed out especially of the privy council.
It just points out the utterly undemocratic nature of the United Kingdom. If being a democrat prevents you from any office of state, the country needs reformed.
The Oath of Allegiance and membership of the Privy Council need abolished,
They can be abolished when the UK - or some future iScotland - elects a republican party that then dispenses with the monarchy after a referendum. And when that happens, fair dos.
Until that moment, fuck off. We are a monarchy, and the monarchy enjoys support that politicians can only dream of. What's more, the people's instincts are right: a list of the most contented, prosperous nations on earth shows a preponderance of monarchies. From Australia to Canada, from Sweden to Denmark.
God Save The Queen
Until the United Kingdom abolishes the requirement to serve on the Privy Council, the Oath of Allegiance and the national anthem is changed to remove the need to pay homage, then any pretence that the United Kingdom is a democracy is a lie.
That strikes me as somewhat of an exaggeration. Archaic rituals do not change that we are a democratic state. MPs could choose to remove any such requirements anytime they wanted, they couldn't do that if we weren't a democracy.
On Abbot and Corbyn, am I the only one heartened that they have remained such close friends and allies over so many decades, and not let now ended dalliances get in the way?
I really should be writing a thread on this YouGov poll and all I can think about it Jezza and Diane's *happy faces*
Any therapists out there?
Gustave Flaubert once said that he'd given up sex, because he couldn't abide the image of his own stupid face locked in a stupid rictus grimace of "joy" as he orgasmed during coition.
Jeremy Corbyn faces questions over his failure to intervene in a damaging party dispute involving Diane Abbott after it emerged that the two are former lovers.
Details of their past relationship were revealed yesterday after Mr Corbyn was criticised for failing to step in when his shadow international development secretary verbally attacked a female MP who questioned his commitment to sexual equality.
Ewww The Times are reporting Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott were lovers in the late 70s
LOL that can't be true surely?
These political pairings are so odd. I remember reading about David Miliband and Ruth Kelly!
Stephanie Flanders and Ed Balls and Ed Milliband is the strangest. Not all at the same time, I hope.
I don't understand why anyone would be attracted to Ed Balls tbh. Ed Miliband....I guess that whole 'geek' thing can attract some women but how Balls has managed to get both Flanders, and his wife is beyond me.
Jeremy Corbyn faces questions over his failure to intervene in a damaging party dispute involving Diane Abbott after it emerged that the two are former lovers.
Details of their past relationship were revealed yesterday after Mr Corbyn was criticised for failing to step in when his shadow international development secretary verbally attacked a female MP who questioned his commitment to sexual equality.
You couldn't make this up - surely a split mustn't be far away - labour are just a laughing stock I've just come home from the pub to this. It's too utterly stupidly surreal for words so I'm saying nothing.
Jeremy Corbyn faces questions over his failure to intervene in a damaging party dispute involving Diane Abbott after it emerged that the two are former lovers.
Details of their past relationship were revealed yesterday after Mr Corbyn was criticised for failing to step in when his shadow international development secretary verbally attacked a female MP who questioned his commitment to sexual equality.
@Lord_Sugar 10 hrs10 hours ago 1st question Jeremy Corbyn."will prime minster advise if it's ok not to wear a suit and look like I'v been dragged through a bush backwards
Details of their past relationship were revealed yesterday after Mr Corbyn was criticised for failing to step in when his shadow international development secretary verbally attacked a female MP who questioned his commitment to sexual equality.
That was a very uncomfortable interview that Corbyn did, the awkwardness oozed out especially of the privy council.
It just points out the utterly undemocratic nature of the United Kingdom. If being a democrat prevents you from any office of state, the country needs reformed.
The Oath of Allegiance and membership of the Privy Council need abolished,
They can be abolished when the UK - or some future iScotland - elects a republican party that then dispenses with the monarchy after a referendum. And when that happens, fair dos.
Until that moment, fuck off. We are a monarchy, and the monarchy enjoys support that politicians can only dream of. What's more, the people's instincts are right: a list of the most contented, prosperous nations on earth shows a preponderance of monarchies. From Australia to Canada, from Sweden to Denmark.
God Save The Queen
Which leaves you fully supporting a non-democratic system whose closest neighbour in terms of political systems is Iran (although in Iran a lot more than 70% of people support the Revolutionary State).
The three hurdles which prevent democrats from holding office are just as effective in preventing a real debate on the matter as those in Iran which maintain the Theocracy.
Until the United Kingdom abolishes the requirement to serve on the Privy Council, the Oath of Allegiance and the national anthem is changed to remove the need to pay homage, then any pretence that the United Kingdom is a democracy is a lie.
I know. It is disgusting the way we have every facet of our lives dominated by all powerful Royal family. We have to meekly ask permission of them to change our government, touch our forelock and bow every time we spend any money decorated with a portrait of the feared and repressive leader. Nothing is so important in modern life as our freedom from this vicious continued oppression.
Well done. Somebody had to say that. You done well.
Ewww The Times are reporting Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott were lovers in the late 70s
LOL that can't be true surely?
These political pairings are so odd. I remember reading about David Miliband and Ruth Kelly!
Stephanie Flanders and Ed Balls and Ed Milliband is the strangest. Not all at the same time, I hope.
I don't understand why anyone would be attracted to Ed Balls tbh. Ed Miliband....I guess that whole 'geek' thing can attract some women but how Balls has managed to get both Flanders, and his wife is beyond me.
Funnily enough I can see it more for Balls than for Milliband (either of them) and Flanders seems utterly hard-faced and too full of herself to be attractive.
But this is the sort of game you might play if you were on a desert island and these were the only men left in the world. In the normal world, they're all in the Avoid category.
There's a theme developing here and it's not good for Corbyn
Mind you he was a Thatcher backer in the 80s so not too big a surprise but still he was the type of supporter New Labour managed to attract when they were winners
See it was John Mann who skewered Corbyn by getting Carney to condemn Corbyn economics in the select committee.
Mann and Danczuk should be deselected IMO
On what justification? Labour didn't force out Corbyn despite decades of serial rebellion and undermining the leadership, and the current membership clearly thinks its a jolly good thing he wasn't. Perhaps Mann and Danczuk will be the Corbyns of the future in 15 years.
One of Labour’s biggest donors has vowed to bankroll MPs who want to defect from the party as he branded Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership the “beginning of the end”.
Assem Allam, the multimillionaire owner of Hull City football club, said he would fund moderate figures prepared to launch a centrist party or defect to the Liberal Democrats.
The Egyptian-born tycoon, who has donated £720,000 to Labour since 2010, had already dismissed the party as a “dead horse” and he would no longer contribute cash.
With all the predictions the Coalition would not survive, even recognising the Corbyn scenario is not directly applicable, I just have trouble seeing him leaving in anything other than in several years time, no matter how rocky things get early on.
See it was John Mann who skewered Corbyn by getting Carney to condemn Corbyn economics in the select committee.
Mann and Danczuk should be deselected IMO
On what justification? Labour didn't force out Corbyn despite decades of serial rebellion and undermining the leadership, and the current membership clearly thinks its a jolly good thing he wasn't. Perhaps Mann and Danczuk will be the Corbyns of the future in 15 years.
You think Corbyn was running round media outlets trying to undermine the democratic process 3 days into Blairs leadership?
For every London household breaking out the Cuba Libres to celebrate an exhilarating lurch in British politics, there is someone next door shouting about eternal Tory wins and the worst week in Labour’s history.
If you are old enough to have experienced the mid-Eighties and the period when the miners’ strike was more than just a backdrop for Billy Elliot, you will recognise the creeping unease souring many relationships. If not, the joy is yours for the first time.
Has it been revealed why Diane Abbott missed the welfare bill vote yet?
Someone asked for directions on the tube and she took soooo long explaining with all her erms and ahhs that by the time she was done she had missed the vote and the poor person had jumped on the tracks.
See it was John Mann who skewered Corbyn by getting Carney to condemn Corbyn economics in the select committee.
Mann and Danczuk should be deselected IMO
On what justification? Labour didn't force out Corbyn despite decades of serial rebellion and undermining the leadership, and the current membership clearly thinks its a jolly good thing he wasn't. Perhaps Mann and Danczuk will be the Corbyns of the future in 15 years.
You think Corbyn was running round media outlets trying to undermine the democratic process 3 days into Blairs leadership?
What difference does it make? He consistently (if in a principled way) showed open contempt for his party leadership. Mann and Danczuk may be doing so in a different way, but it's the same 'offense' as far as I see it. The party can surely weather some malcontents in the broader interests of showing willingness to be a big tent party, in aspiration at least.
See it was John Mann who skewered Corbyn by getting Carney to condemn Corbyn economics in the select committee.
Mann and Danczuk should be deselected IMO
Thought Labour was a broad Church - is this the start of a purge
Not broad enough for Danczuk
Why
Because the people of Rochdale expected to get a Lab MP.
Lab has just elected a leader with a massive mandhood I mean mandate that Danczuk is trying to undermine publicly at every opportunity.
Kipper defection on the cards hopefully.
Did the people of North Islington expect a Blairite MP during the Blair years, on the basis that most people do vote on party labels and leaders, or do we allow that constituencies might recognize their MP is not a cookie cutter lackey of a leadership they may not like and voted for anyway or even for that reason (and if they didn't notice that person does not accord with the 'proper' policy or leadership of the party and they don't like that as they wanted a lackey, that's their own fault for not paying attention).
With all the predictions the Coalition would not survive, even recognising the Corbyn scenario is not directly applicable, I just have trouble seeing him leaving in anything other than in several years time, no matter how rocky things get early on.
How robust is his health? He doesn't look as though he will be able to take a huge amount of pressure & stress. He may be obliged to retire (at least to the back benches).
See it was John Mann who skewered Corbyn by getting Carney to condemn Corbyn economics in the select committee.
Mann and Danczuk should be deselected IMO
Thought Labour was a broad Church - is this the start of a purge
Not broad enough for Danczuk
Why
Because the people of Rochdale expected to get a Lab MP.
Lab has just elected a leader with a massive mandhood I mean mandate that Danczuk is trying to undermine publicly at every opportunity.
Kipper defection on the cards hopefully.
Bet the people of Rochdale would re-elect him right now irrespective of party. Didn't Gillian Duffy (of Rochdale and bigot gate) say on Corbyns election she would not vote labour again
The Happy Hour debate is starting now, with a backdrop of Reagan's Air Force One.
At Reagan Library in Simi Valley I believe, I went there about 10 years ago, well worth a visit, a treasure trove of information on his presidency and his grave and a fantastic location with warnings of rattle snakes behind. I managed to get a lift back to the station too from a lady who worked there and had a very interesting chat
The Happy Hour debate is starting now, with a backdrop of Reagan's Air Force One.
At Reagan Library in Simi Valley I believe, I went there about 10 years ago, well worth a visit, a treasure trove of information on his presidency and his grave and a fantastic location with warnings of rattle snakes behind. I managed to get a lift back to the station too from a lady who worked there and had a very interesting chat
I've just reread the previous thread and noted what I had missed before about madasafish's daughter's ongoing condition and the death of MTimT's nephew. Apologies for not noticing your earlier posts and I hope you accept my best considerations for you both
'Someone asked for directions on the tube and she took soooo long explaining with all her erms and ahhs that by the time she was done she had missed the vote and the poor person had jumped on the tracks.'
Abbott doesn't slum in on the tube with the plebs,she uses taxis and the taxpayer has the bills to prove it.
"I hear he takes the Bakerloo Line" has long been a proud boast, or juvenile and sniggering aside, in my multisexual social circle.
I speak as the INVENTOR (on FHM about 15 years ago, origin confirmed by Viz editors) of the ribald phrase "she's as wet as an otter's pocket". This analogy has since entered the vernacular:
I've just reread the previous thread and noted what I had missed before about madasafish's daughter's ongoing condition and the death of MTimT's nephew. Apologies for not noticing your earlier posts and I hope you accept my best considerations for you both
"Like so many other Instagram models, this model is not actually a model or fitness instructor or herbal tea sales person or any of the other million jobs they claim to work. Nope. This Instagram model is an escort. A very high priced escort. Like many of the escorts on the site, she takes a lot of photos. Things people have bought her or holding cash she was paid. Most of the time they say they earned it themselves with some kind of #blessed hashtag, but no one is buying it.
@chrisshipitv: Corbyn doesn't *do* media in conventional sense (which is what work for him in campaign) but I hear new press operation being built tonight
"Does remind me of the euphoria in the US among students when Obama become the candidate. Of course, Corbyn is no Obama, but even so, just 4 years later youth enthusiasm for Obama was much reduced. Now 'Hope and Change' is only a tired joke."
Not just in the USA!
I was teaching in England and the sixth formers were ever so excited during the campaign. (Year 11s and below had pretty much no interest.) "Vote Democrat" flyposters, "Hope and Change" badges, Obama masks, the full works - funny as none of them had a vote, or any real skin in the game. Sod all sympathy for McCain though, bless 'im.
"Like so many other Instagram models, this model is not actually a model or fitness instructor or herbal tea sales person or any of the other million jobs they claim to work. Nope. This Instagram model is an escort. A very high priced escort. Like many of the escorts on the site, she takes a lot of photos. Things people have bought her or holding cash she was paid. Most of the time they say they earned it themselves with some kind of #blessed hashtag, but no one is buying it.
I've just reread the previous thread and noted what I had missed before about madasafish's daughter's ongoing condition and the death of MTimT's nephew. Apologies for not noticing your earlier posts and I hope you accept my best considerations for you both
Seconded. My family has experienced very similar tragedies.
Indeed, to follow on from the last post, I'm not sure why Corbyn strived to make mental health a partisan issue.
My guess is that a huge minority of British families, in fact probably a majority, have encountered mental health problems in some form - from alcohlism to bipolarity to schizophrenia. It is the human condition. These things are more common than happiness.
But why is it a partisan issue for PMQs?! Treatment of mental health afflictions has been iffy and sketchy for decades, under Labour and Conservatives.
And ironically, the Coalition (mainly the libdems) made some great strides in focusing on the mental health of children.
There's always one thing i hate is when a politician actually make a massive attempt to fix an issue, and because the issue now has much more exposure, the opposition then use the fact that the issue is bigger, as a means to pretend the problem is bigger.
Under IDS we have seen some massive changes in how welfare is distributed. Many of the barriers to work have been eased, or in some cases removed consistently. There are hundreds of thousands of people who are now in work as a result of the changes, yet Labour always try to present IDS as some kind of murderous monster, who actually feasts on the blood of disabled people and impoverished children.
The single biggest political failure of IDS was to allow the DWP (and NHS) to signpost people to foodbanks. It is this single decision which is responsible for the growth. Not that it was a bad decision, on the contrary, however it allowed the myth to develop of a nation starving.
The Happy Hour debate is starting now, with a backdrop of Reagan's Air Force One.
At Reagan Library in Simi Valley I believe, I went there about 10 years ago, well worth a visit, a treasure trove of information on his presidency and his grave and a fantastic location with warnings of rattle snakes behind. I managed to get a lift back to the station too from a lady who worked there and had a very interesting chat
Yup there exactly.
I believe Nancy Reagan will be there too, I doubt I will stay up to watch, but will catch up in the morning, enjoy those who are tuning in, night
"Does remind me of the euphoria in the US among students when Obama become the candidate. Of course, Corbyn is no Obama, but even so, just 4 years later youth enthusiasm for Obama was much reduced. Now 'Hope and Change' is only a tired joke."
Not just in the USA!
I was teaching in England and the sixth formers were ever so excited during the campaign. (Year 11s and below had pretty much no interest.) "Vote Democrat" flyposters, "Hope and Change" badges, Obama masks, the full works - funny as none of them had a vote, or any real skin in the game. Sod all sympathy for McCain though, bless 'im.
I recall when Obama was re-elected I went into work and a colleague mentioned it and said 'that's good' and I asked why, and they had no answer - they had no conception of Obama's policies, whether his record was good etc, they just accepted that Obama was the good guy. Now, I don't regard myself as able to judge who would be best for the USA, I've only a passing interest in the matter, but I feel confident I'd prefer Obama to his opponents, but there was even on this side of the pond some over excitement without analysis.
Indeed, to follow on from the last post, I'm not sure why Corbyn strived to make mental health a partisan issue.
My guess is that a huge minority of British families, in fact probably a majority, have encountered mental health problems in some form - from alcohlism to bipolarity to schizophrenia. It is the human condition. These things are more common than happiness.
But why is it a partisan issue for PMQs?! Treatment of mental health afflictions has been iffy and sketchy for decades, under Labour and Conservatives.
And ironically, the Coalition (mainly the libdems) made some great strides in focusing on the mental health of children.
There's always one thing i hate is when a politician actually make a massive attempt to fix an issue, and because the issue now has much more exposure, the opposition then use the fact that the issue is bigger, as a means to pretend the problem is bigger.
Under IDS we have seen some massive changes in how welfare is distributed. Many of the barriers to work have been eased, or in some cases removed consistently. There are hundreds of thousands of people who are now in work as a result of the changes, yet Labour always try to present IDS as some kind of murderous monster, who actually feasts on the blood of disabled people and impoverished children.
The single biggest political failure of IDS was to allow the DWP (and NHS) to signpost people to foodbanks. It is this single decision which is responsible for the growth. Not that it was a bad decision, on the contrary, however it allowed the myth to develop of a nation starving.
"why is it a partisan issue for PMQs?!" - because Cameron is in charge, the Tories are in government and on their watch mental health services are at best inadequate if not utterly failing. There's a national shortage of mental health beds, consultants and wards. Who is responsible? The Sec of State - that's how it works.
Q: Is Labour under Corbyn likely or unlikely to win the next GE?
Likely 17% Unlikely 61%
Remember the ICM Wisdom Index? Not sure how it did in 2015 but it was the best predictor in 2010.
The above numbers are an absolute killer - they would translate into an ICM Wisdom Index of wipeout proportions - if people don't think he can win he won't win - there is a colossal credibility gap - he won't be taken seriously as a potential PM.
@chrisshipitv: Corbyn doesn't *do* media in conventional sense (which is what work for him in campaign) but I hear new press operation being built tonight
Re Corbyn BBC1 10pm News interview - not knowing what he has to do to join the Privy Council just makes him look clueless.
Whatever he thinks of the formalities, people expect Party leaders to know their stuff - even if they disagree with their opinions.
Not knowing basic facts just reinforces the impression that he isn't credible and isn't up to the job.
I honestly no longer have any idea how this will play with middle ground, floating, marginal voters. I'm an PB and history anorak and watching this interview just looked like something out of Veep without the irony - completely unbelievable that this guy is LOTO. But nobody knows anything anymore. Maybe people will see it as authentic brilliance and flock in droves.
Q: Is Labour under Corbyn likely or unlikely to win the next GE?
Likely 17% Unlikely 61%
Remember the ICM Wisdom Index? Not sure how it did in 2015 but it was the best predictor in 2010.
The above numbers are an absolute killer - they would translate into an ICM Wisdom Index of wipeout proportions - if people don't think he can win he won't win - there is a colossal credibility gap - he won't be taken seriously as a potential PM.
The final wisdom index was 35 Con 32 Lab 14 LD.
So comparatively good on the Con/Lab gap, but pretty dire on the Lib Dems
Q: Is Labour under Corbyn likely or unlikely to win the next GE?
Likely 17% Unlikely 61%
Remember the ICM Wisdom Index? Not sure how it did in 2015 but it was the best predictor in 2010.
The above numbers are an absolute killer - they would translate into an ICM Wisdom Index of wipeout proportions - if people don't think he can win he won't win - there is a colossal credibility gap - he won't be taken seriously as a potential PM.
The final wisdom index was 35 Con 32 Lab 14 LD.
So comparatively good on the Con/Lab gap, but pretty dire on the Lib Dems
Incidentally it now looks as if we're far enough ahead for Google to have caught up indexing Twitter prior to May 8th (Twitter times are not accurate, Google doesn't index everything nor immediately, email is not always immediate...fun, fun, fun) so searching Mike's tweets will no longer need going via Topsy or plowing thru bl**dy twitter
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The three hurdles which prevent democrats from holding office are just as effective in preventing a real debate on the matter as those in Iran which maintain the Theocracy.
Until the United Kingdom abolishes the requirement to serve on the Privy Council, the Oath of Allegiance and the national anthem is changed to remove the need to pay homage, then any pretence that the United Kingdom is a democracy is a lie.
Any therapists out there?
These political pairings are so odd. I remember reading about David Miliband and Ruth Kelly!
Wonder how long that'll last.
And on that happy thought, goodnight all.
On Abbot and Corbyn, am I the only one heartened that they have remained such close friends and allies over so many decades, and not let now ended dalliances get in the way?
You couldn't make this up - surely a split mustn't be far away - labour are just a laughing stock
I've just come home from the pub to this. It's too utterly stupidly surreal for words so I'm saying nothing.
Never mind: I'm sure the information will come in useful when reading traders' chats......
Its just amazing how things go from bad to worse to dreadful every day for labour
http://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-daily-telegraph/20150916/281479275202415/TextView
@Lord_Sugar 10 hrs10 hours ago
1st question Jeremy Corbyn."will prime minster advise if it's ok not to wear a suit and look like I'v been dragged through a bush backwards
It must be a huge shock for Labour party MPs to suddenly find Dianne Abbot one of the favoured inner few lording it over them.
But this is the sort of game you might play if you were on a desert island and these were the only men left in the world. In the normal world, they're all in the Avoid category.
Changing at Baker Street indeed
Ooer
Conservative: 116
New Democrat: 114
Liberal: 107
http://www.cbc.ca/news2/interactives/poll-tracker/2015/index.html
I shall have to go and lie down now.
Lab has just elected a leader with a massive mandhood I mean mandate that Danczuk is trying to undermine publicly at every opportunity.
Kipper defection on the cards hopefully.
'You think Corbyn was running round media outlets trying to undermine the democratic process 3 days into Blairs leadership?'
Corbyn has voted more times against his party than Cameron.
What goes around comes around.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2211486/The-Nazi-uniform-It-just-laugh-Balls-brushes-university-prank-saying-embarrassed-photo.html
@MTimT
I've just reread the previous thread and noted what I had missed before about madasafish's daughter's ongoing condition and the death of MTimT's nephew. Apologies for not noticing your earlier posts and I hope you accept my best considerations for you both
'Someone asked for directions on the tube and she took soooo long explaining with all her erms and ahhs that by the time she was done she had missed the vote and the poor person had jumped on the tracks.'
Abbott doesn't slum in on the tube with the plebs,she uses taxis and the taxpayer has the bills to prove it.
"Does remind me of the euphoria in the US among students when Obama become the candidate. Of course, Corbyn is no Obama, but even so, just 4 years later youth enthusiasm for Obama was much reduced. Now 'Hope and Change' is only a tired joke."
Not just in the USA!
I was teaching in England and the sixth formers were ever so excited during the campaign. (Year 11s and below had pretty much no interest.) "Vote Democrat" flyposters, "Hope and Change" badges, Obama masks, the full works - funny as none of them had a vote, or any real skin in the game. Sod all sympathy for McCain though, bless 'im.
There's always one thing i hate is when a politician actually make a massive attempt to fix an issue, and because the issue now has much more exposure, the opposition then use the fact that the issue is bigger, as a means to pretend the problem is bigger.
Under IDS we have seen some massive changes in how welfare is distributed. Many of the barriers to work have been eased, or in some cases removed consistently. There are hundreds of thousands of people who are now in work as a result of the changes, yet Labour always try to present IDS as some kind of murderous monster, who actually feasts on the blood of disabled people and impoverished children.
The single biggest political failure of IDS was to allow the DWP (and NHS) to signpost people to foodbanks. It is this single decision which is responsible for the growth. Not that it was a bad decision, on the contrary, however it allowed the myth to develop of a nation starving.
@gm_stone: Going on a motorcycle tour of East Germany with Diane Abbott is my #NewFavouriteEuphemism
Good night all.
Likely 17%
Unlikely 61%
Remember the ICM Wisdom Index? Not sure how it did in 2015 but it was the best predictor in 2010.
The above numbers are an absolute killer - they would translate into an ICM Wisdom Index of wipeout proportions - if people don't think he can win he won't win - there is a colossal credibility gap - he won't be taken seriously as a potential PM.
Whatever he thinks of the formalities, people expect Party leaders to know their stuff - even if they disagree with their opinions.
Not knowing basic facts just reinforces the impression that he isn't credible and isn't up to the job.
So comparatively good on the Con/Lab gap, but pretty dire on the Lib Dems
Owen Jones's Mum @owensmum
"Lets try a different position" whispered Diane
Jeremy quickly agreed, he had always wanted to stay in the EU anyway
#FiftyShadesOfRed
Why the Paddington avatar?
Was it the wellies?
Anyway onto matters less parochial... was it me or did Jezza's suit look utterly enourmous ?
CON 31.7
LAB 32.2
LD 13.9
UKIP 12.2
https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/594701792564355075
Incidentally it now looks as if we're far enough ahead for Google to have caught up indexing Twitter prior to May 8th (Twitter times are not accurate, Google doesn't index everything nor immediately, email is not always immediate...fun, fun, fun) so searching Mike's tweets will no longer need going via Topsy or plowing thru bl**dy twitter