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edited 2015 16 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Ahead of tonight’s GOP debate Ben Carson moves to within 4 points of Trump in New Hampshire

Ben Carson is closing in on Donald Trump in New Hampshire, according to a new poll out Wednesday, just hours before the candidates will face off against each other in the second Republican primary debate.

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  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Two good articles from Nate Silver:

    1. on Hillary - in a self-perpetuating poll slump spiral but still the favorite to win

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/hillary-clinton-is-in-a-self-reinforcing-funk/

    2. on Trump - only 5% chance of the nomination:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/09/15/nate_silver_trump_has_about_5_chance_of_winning.html
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Nate Silver's point is that, historically, polling in September has virtually no predictive value for the outcome of the nomination races. He also underscores the huge in-built advantages of the Establishment candidates (essentially Bush and Clinton in this cycle) over the long haul of the nomination process, although this advantage, while huge, is no guarantee. Just ask Hillary (2008)
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,844
    Blimey, just been reading about Carson. For a medical man, he is remarkably stupid. How he is able to just ignore scientific fact because of his 'faith' is, quite frankly, scary.

    Not someone I would ever want to see hold any power.
  • MetatronMetatron Posts: 193
    Fox News very influential on race.They like Carson but when push comes to shove will probably get behind Bush.The more leftish channels Bloomberg and NBC like Kasich.
  • expat-Peteexpat-Pete Posts: 1
    But 538 (Nate Silver's blog site) ran a long article about why Trump was stupid to pick a fight with Fox news after the first debate because Trump would never win that fight........five days later Ailes threw in the towel, refused to back his presenters and Trump had another victory under his belt.

    That's not saying that Nate Silver's site is wrong with his analysis, just that the record with regard to Trump is not good.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,741
    CORBYN WILL NOT CAMPAIGN TO LEAVE THE EU:

    "Speaking to the BBC's political editor Laura Kuenssberg later on Wednesday, Mr Corbyn insisted he would not campaign for the UK to leave the European Union, while vowing to fight any moves towards a more free-market relationship."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34264683

  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Welcome aboard.
    expat-Pete said:

    But 538 (Nate Silver's blog site) ran a long article about why Trump was stupid to pick a fight with Fox news after the first debate because Trump would never win that fight........five days later Ailes threw in the towel, refused to back his presenters and Trump had another victory under his belt.

    That's not saying that Nate Silver's site is wrong with his analysis, just that the record with regard to Trump is not good.

  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,548
    FPT: Condolences to Mr TimT on your loss and hope that life improves.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Heartfelt second.
    Cyclefree said:

    FPT: Condolences to Mr TimT on your loss and hope that life improves.

  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    oxfordsimon said:

    Blimey, just been reading about Carson. For a medical man, he is remarkably stupid. How he is able to just ignore scientific fact because of his 'faith' is, quite frankly, scary.

    Not someone I would ever want to see hold any power.

    What have you read which leads you to this? Any useful links please?

    (a perfectly genuine question - I quite liked what little I knew about him but haven't read around the candidate at all)
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,016
    Plato_Says said:

    Heartfelt second.

    Cyclefree said:

    FPT: Condolences to Mr TimT on your loss and hope that life improves.

    Yes. Agree.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,844
    GeoffM said:

    oxfordsimon said:

    Blimey, just been reading about Carson. For a medical man, he is remarkably stupid. How he is able to just ignore scientific fact because of his 'faith' is, quite frankly, scary.

    Not someone I would ever want to see hold any power.

    What have you read which leads you to this? Any useful links please?

    (a perfectly genuine question - I quite liked what little I knew about him but haven't read around the candidate at all)
    Only his Wiki entry (which, of course, may not be entirely without bias)

    But for a man with a scientific background to be a denier of evolution is deeply scary - as is his linking of marriage equality with bestiality.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,418
    expat-Pete said:

    But 538 (Nate Silver's blog site) ran a long article about why Trump was stupid to pick a fight with Fox news after the first debate because Trump would never win that fight........five days later Ailes threw in the towel, refused to back his presenters and Trump had another victory under his belt.

    That's not saying that Nate Silver's site is wrong with his analysis, just that the record with regard to Trump is not good.

    Greetings Pete, but can you please clarify whether you are really an ex-pat or an immigrant?
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    MikeL said:

    CORBYN WILL NOT CAMPAIGN TO LEAVE THE EU:

    "Speaking to the BBC's political editor Laura Kuenssberg later on Wednesday, Mr Corbyn insisted he would not campaign for the UK to leave the European Union, while vowing to fight any moves towards a more free-market relationship."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34264683

    Who is running Corbyn's team in Labour's inner circle.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,844
    SquareRoot said:

    MikeL said:

    CORBYN WILL NOT CAMPAIGN TO LEAVE THE EU:

    "Speaking to the BBC's political editor Laura Kuenssberg later on Wednesday, Mr Corbyn insisted he would not campaign for the UK to leave the European Union, while vowing to fight any moves towards a more free-market relationship."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34264683

    Who is running Corbyn's team in Labour's inner circle.
    No-one... it would seem
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    MikeL said:

    CORBYN WILL NOT CAMPAIGN TO LEAVE THE EU:

    "Speaking to the BBC's political editor Laura Kuenssberg later on Wednesday, Mr Corbyn insisted he would not campaign for the UK to leave the European Union, while vowing to fight any moves towards a more free-market relationship."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34264683

    There is no reason to believe there will ever be a social Europe like Corbyn hopes for.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,844
    MP_SE said:

    MikeL said:

    CORBYN WILL NOT CAMPAIGN TO LEAVE THE EU:

    "Speaking to the BBC's political editor Laura Kuenssberg later on Wednesday, Mr Corbyn insisted he would not campaign for the UK to leave the European Union, while vowing to fight any moves towards a more free-market relationship."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34264683

    There is no reason to believe there will ever be a social Europe like Corbyn hopes for.
    How many u-turns is that since he took over?

    Shambles is a kind description
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    Year in Year out, Arsenal bed-block the Champions League with their raking in of £ and little else.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,135
    I certainly think Carson is a good bet to take one of Iowa or NH but he does not have the money or name recognition or political experience to go all the way. Trump remains frontrunner for the GOP nomination but he also has a very colourful past which could come back to haunt him at any time
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    Year in Year out, Arsenal bed-block the Champions League with their raking in of £ and little else.

    Give the Foxes a chance! Arsenal up next at home for us, and hopefully they will rest a few players for the CL on the Tuesday.

    All hail the Tinkerman!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,358
    edited 2015 16
    MikeL said:

    CORBYN WILL NOT CAMPAIGN TO LEAVE THE EU:

    "Speaking to the BBC's political editor Laura Kuenssberg later on Wednesday, Mr Corbyn insisted he would not campaign for the UK to leave the European Union, while vowing to fight any moves towards a more free-market relationship."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34264683

    Does this put Corbyn in conflict with the unions then, if Cameron gets changes in EU employment rights?

    Spectacular....
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    MarqueeMark said:

    MikeL said:

    CORBYN WILL NOT CAMPAIGN TO LEAVE THE EU:

    "Speaking to the BBC's political editor Laura Kuenssberg later on Wednesday, Mr Corbyn insisted he would not campaign for the UK to leave the European Union, while vowing to fight any moves towards a more free-market relationship."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34264683

    Does this put Corbyn in conflict with the unions then, if Cameron gets changes in EU employment rights?

    Spectacular....
    Corbyn just lost his only card.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    oxfordsimon said:

    GeoffM said:

    oxfordsimon said:

    Blimey, just been reading about Carson. For a medical man, he is remarkably stupid. How he is able to just ignore scientific fact because of his 'faith' is, quite frankly, scary.

    Not someone I would ever want to see hold any power.

    What have you read which leads you to this? Any useful links please?

    (a perfectly genuine question - I quite liked what little I knew about him but haven't read around the candidate at all)
    Only his Wiki entry (which, of course, may not be entirely without bias)

    But for a man with a scientific background to be a denier of evolution is deeply scary - as is his linking of marriage equality with bestiality.
    Thanks for the reply! I've read the entry you're talking about and yes the evolution statement is a bit off-putting. I'm more concerned about his flip-flopping on issues though. Anyone who keeps apologising for things he believes in is useless.
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    Year in Year out, Arsenal bed-block the Champions League with their raking in of £ and little else.

    At least Arsenal get into the CL.
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    foxinsoxuk said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    Year in Year out, Arsenal bed-block the Champions League with their raking in of £ and little else.

    Give the Foxes a chance! Arsenal up next at home for us, and hopefully they will rest a few players for the CL on the Tuesday.

    All hail the Tinkerman!
    Feel free to turn them over big-style!!!
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    I will be watching the debate tonight, from the sounds of it Trump will attack Fiorina as a useless and corrupt CEO that destroyed the companies she worked for, while Fiorina will attack Trump as a sexist b@stard along with the CNN moderators.

    As for that WBUR New Hampshire poll, they have never done a poll before so we can't compare it with anything.
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    edited 2015 16
    The_Apocalypse said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    Year in Year out, Arsenal bed-block the Champions League with their raking in of £ and little else.

    At least Arsenal get into the CL.
    Tell me. I'm massively jealous of course.

    Shame they can't be arsed to do anything other than 'bank' once there.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Metatron said:

    Fox News very influential on race.They like Carson but when push comes to shove will probably get behind Bush.The more leftish channels Bloomberg and NBC like Kasich.

    None of them will ever win:

    https://www.opendemocracy.net/ourkingdom/joe-sandler-clarke/journalism-in-age-of-corbyn

    "Political journalists have failed to predict all of the major events of the last year. They need to start asking themselves serious questions."
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    https://twitter.com/MarkHopkins123/status/644240772728950784

  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    Year in Year out, Arsenal bed-block the Champions League with their raking in of £ and little else.

    Give the Foxes a chance! Arsenal up next at home for us, and hopefully they will rest a few players for the CL on the Tuesday.

    All hail the Tinkerman!
    Feel free to turn them over big-style!!!
    Your wish is our command!
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited 2015 16
    Uh, Corbyn should keep himself away from the Tsipras rhetoric of "we have no alternative we have to stay and hope for the best", no one ,however a party fanatic, will ever support that.
  • TudorRoseTudorRose Posts: 1,683
    Speedy said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    MikeL said:

    CORBYN WILL NOT CAMPAIGN TO LEAVE THE EU:

    "Speaking to the BBC's political editor Laura Kuenssberg later on Wednesday, Mr Corbyn insisted he would not campaign for the UK to leave the European Union, while vowing to fight any moves towards a more free-market relationship."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34264683

    Does this put Corbyn in conflict with the unions then, if Cameron gets changes in EU employment rights?

    Spectacular....
    Corbyn just lost his only card.
    He's flip-flopping on policy so much (oh, and singing, while we're at it) - are we sure Burnham lost?
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,071
    Corbin did steady the ship slightly with his PMQs approach today (though it will wear thin if he carries on in the same vein). However, the ship continues to spring more and more leaks every day...
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,418
    OK, so I have now watched PMQs. JC did well for a first outing, and it wasn't just him reading out the questions he had been sent (mine didn't get picked - and it wasn't the one about Social Democracy and Democratic Socialism either!).

    Next up - conference. Maybe we will see some theatrical walk-outs or tearing up of party membership cards by the Blairite residue.

    As an aside, will the BBC bother to cover the Lib Dem conference this year? It ought not get much more coverage than the Greens get together.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,071
    MP_SE said:

    MikeL said:

    CORBYN WILL NOT CAMPAIGN TO LEAVE THE EU:

    "Speaking to the BBC's political editor Laura Kuenssberg later on Wednesday, Mr Corbyn insisted he would not campaign for the UK to leave the European Union, while vowing to fight any moves towards a more free-market relationship."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34264683

    There is no reason to believe there will ever be a social Europe like Corbyn hopes for.
    The policy seems to now be "If I don't like Cameron's renegotiation [he won't] then I need to campaign to stay in Europe so that I can go back to Europe if I win and renegotiate again to change what Cameron negotiated and negotiate a different deal." Tortuous, much?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,739
    edited 2015 16
    Ewww The Times are reporting Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott were lovers in the late 70s
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    MarkHopkins said:


    https://twitter.com/MarkHopkins123/status/644240772728950784

    Oh dear. Prole Jacket Gape goes transatlantic...

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/cifamerica/2012/may/15/what-makes-ron-paul-unsuitable-for-president
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    If Corbyn achieved anything ... PMQ's was deadly boring, Corbyn droned on trying to play man of the people.

    FWIW Corbyn is a condemned man, out of his own mouth and by his actions. He is on political death row. What he achieved today was a stay of execution/.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,739
    Anyone got any industrial strength mind bleach?
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,071
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ewww The Times are reporting Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott were lovers in the late 70s

    I thought nothing could be more horrifying than John and Edwina.... I was wrong.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,739
    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/644258804301885440
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,135
    SeanT said:

    Catastrophic News at Ten for Corbyn. Again.

    Ummed and erred about whether he would kneel before the Queen at the PC, said he would 'consult with colleagues', perhaps he could nod?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,238
    edited 2015 16
    1. Jezza is a charmless git (interview with Laura K).
    2. To be fair to the Beeb, they included the DUP question/statement.
    3. It struck me that, given how politicians in office (even in opposition) age dramatically (GO excepted), what on earth will Jezza look like in a year's time?

    (Edit: 4. Arsenal are cr4p)
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ewww The Times are reporting Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott were lovers in the late 70s

    Bit of a ladies man isn't he!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,135
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ewww The Times are reporting Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott were lovers in the late 70s

    Thankyou for that image, it is almost as offputting as John Major and Edwina Currie
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    That was a very uncomfortable interview that Corbyn did, the awkwardness oozed out especially of the privy council.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,418
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/644258804301885440

    Q4: Do you trust The Times to know how to spell 'economy'?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @simonsketch: The Tory trajectory is the opposite of the usual. 1) Hung parliament. 2) Slim majority. 3) Landslide.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,135
    Carson takes lead in Michigan in new Marketing Resource Group poll

    Carson – 24%
    Trump – 22%
    Bush – 8%
    Huckabee – 6%
    Rubio – 4%
    Cruz – 3%
    Fiorina – 3%
    Kasich – 2%
    Paul – 2%
    Walker – 2%
    Christie – 1%
    Gilmore – 0%
    Graham – 0%
    Jindal – 0%
    Pataki – 0%
    Santorum – 0%
    Undecided – 21%
    http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/index.ssf/2015/09/ben_carson_donald_trump_michigan.html
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,739
    A majority of voters (54 per cent) say that they do not trust Mr Corbyn to take the right decisions on defence compared with 20 per cent who do.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,548
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ewww The Times are reporting Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott were lovers in the late 70s

    Please tell me that's a wind-up.........

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,739
    Only 22 per cent trust Mr Corbyn to take the right decisions on terrorism against 49 per cent who do not trust him to do so.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ewww The Times are reporting Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott were lovers in the late 70s

    Revolting.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,449
    Economic trust at 23% gives Labour a ceiling of about 27% on election day.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,047
    The only way is up for Jeremy. For a time at least.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    MP_SE said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ewww The Times are reporting Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott were lovers in the late 70s

    Revolting.
    No comment.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,449
    Cyclefree said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ewww The Times are reporting Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott were lovers in the late 70s

    Please tell me that's a wind-up.........

    No, it's a rumour that has been doing the rounds for a few years. I guess The Times finally found someone willing to give, err, eyewitness statements.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,047
    Would Carson be better than Corbyn? All political questions must now be frame in terms of Corbyn.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Jeremy Corbyn’s economic policies would “hurt” the poor and elderly and “imperil” Britain's economic recovery, the Bank of England governor has suggested.

    Mark Carney indicated that said that the plans put forward by the new Labour leader and John McDonnell would increase inflation and could in turn hit the economy.

    The comments, made during an appearance at the Treasury select committee, will further undermine Mr Corbyn’s economic credentials.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11870215/Jeremy-Corbyns-policies-will-hurt-economy-Mark-Carney-suggests.html
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    The happy hour debate is now 40 minutes away - CNN has been camped out in Simi Valley for 3 days pushing this debate. Quite amazing.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,739
    Cyclefree said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ewww The Times are reporting Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott were lovers in the late 70s

    Please tell me that's a wind-up.........

    I wish it was. It's true.

    Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott bumped uglies, they played hide the purple parsnip etc
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ewww The Times are reporting Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott were lovers in the late 70s

    Now there’s a comment I wished I hadn’t read…
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,548
    foxinsoxuk said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ewww The Times are reporting Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott were lovers in the late 70s

    Bit of a ladies man isn't he!
    They must be blind - or desperate.

  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Speedy said:

    That was a very uncomfortable interview that Corbyn did, the awkwardness oozed out especially of the privy council.

    It just points out the utterly undemocratic nature of the United Kingdom. If being a democrat prevents you from any office of state, the country needs reformed.

    The Oath of Allegiance and membership of the Privy Council need abolished,
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ewww The Times are reporting Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott were lovers in the late 70s

    Well if they were, what the hell. I can't hold that against them. Hope they enjoyed it.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    OMHG.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Cyclefree said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ewww The Times are reporting Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott were lovers in the late 70s

    Bit of a ladies man isn't he!
    They must be blind - or desperate.

    His 3rd wife is quite a stunner (awaits brickbats!) and dresses smartly. He must have something going for him!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,739
    MaxPB said:

    Cyclefree said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ewww The Times are reporting Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott were lovers in the late 70s

    Please tell me that's a wind-up.........

    No, it's a rumour that has been doing the rounds for a few years. I guess The Times finally found someone willing to give, err, eyewitness statements.
    If I read the Times story, it is Randy Jezbollah's first wife who has spilled the beans

    She's said that she separated from her husband because his commitment to politics meant he never took her to the cinema or nightclubs.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,548
    SeanT said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/644258804301885440

    lol. Disastrous polling on the economy - which is the killer. Most people don't care about the IRA/Hamas stuff (sadly).

    The economy they do care about. If he leads Labour into 2020 they will be annihilated.
    They do care, though, about whether he can be trusted on terrorism. And they don't think he can (according to this poll, anyway).

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    The Scottish secretary will use a keynote speech marking the first anniversary of the referendum to launch a scathing attack on the first minister’s enthusiasm for another vote on independence.

    Mr Mundell, who will be speaking at the University of Edinburgh, will mock assurances that the poll was a once-in-a-lifetime event and state: “The sovereign will of the Scottish people is set aside as though it counted for nothing and the first minister openly acknowledges that she’ll try to hold a second referendum just as soon as she thinks she has a chance of winning it.

    “It is as though the votes of two million Scots can just be set aside as an unfortunate but peripheral setback on the road to independence.”
    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/scotland/article4559184.ece
  • Hertsmere_PubgoerHertsmere_Pubgoer Posts: 3,476
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Cyclefree said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ewww The Times are reporting Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott were lovers in the late 70s

    Please tell me that's a wind-up.........

    I wish it was. It's true.

    Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott bumped uglies, they played hide the purple parsnip etc
    To paraphrase one of your previous comments TSE.
    Did they go Baker Street?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,047
    foxinsoxuk said:

    Cyclefree said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ewww The Times are reporting Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott were lovers in the late 70s

    Bit of a ladies man isn't he!
    They must be blind - or desperate.

    His 3rd wife is quite a stunner (awaits brickbats!) and dresses smartly. He must have something going for him!
    Ed seemed to have little trouble engaging the affections of accomplished, attractive women as well.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    Can still get 14/1 on SportingBet for Carson. Fill your boots.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Why would the Times commission a poll but NOT include a proper voting intention question?!?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    SeanT said:

    Trouble for Corbyn is that instead of looking lovably avuncular in that interview, he looks shifty, doddery, mildly disloyal - and, worst of all, plain stupid.

    @theobertram: There were parts of that interview where all you could hear is the rain. And even the rain felt awkward.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,238
    kle4 said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    Cyclefree said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ewww The Times are reporting Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott were lovers in the late 70s

    Bit of a ladies man isn't he!
    They must be blind - or desperate.

    His 3rd wife is quite a stunner (awaits brickbats!) and dresses smartly. He must have something going for him!
    Ed seemed to have little trouble engaging the affections of accomplished, attractive women as well.
    And of course several people in Chelsea kit followed the established political tradition by scoring tonight.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,449
    SeanT said:

    Speedy said:

    That was a very uncomfortable interview that Corbyn did, the awkwardness oozed out especially of the privy council.

    Trouble for Corbyn is that instead of looking lovably avuncular in that interview, he looks shifty, doddery, mildly disloyal - and, worst of all, plain stupid.

    Personall, I think he is just a thicko. A well meaning thicko who thinks he is doing "the right thing" like thicko lefties usually do.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Cyclefree said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ewww The Times are reporting Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott were lovers in the late 70s

    Please tell me that's a wind-up.........

    I wish it was. It's true.

    Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott bumped uglies, they played hide the purple parsnip etc
    To paraphrase one of your previous comments TSE.
    Did they go Baker Street?
    LOOK.. Some of us are about to get some zzz's , such a disgusting thought will keep people awake with its vileness.. Eeeewwwwwwwwww...
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,449
    Danny565 said:

    Why would the Times commission a poll but NOT include a proper voting intention question?!?

    YouGov. Would you trust it? I wouldn't.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,047
    Danny565 said:

    Why would the Times commission a poll but NOT include a proper voting intention question?!?

    To punish us.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,548
    foxinsoxuk said:

    Cyclefree said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ewww The Times are reporting Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott were lovers in the late 70s

    Bit of a ladies man isn't he!
    They must be blind - or desperate.

    His 3rd wife is quite a stunner (awaits brickbats!) and dresses smartly. He must have something going for him!
    Well, on a serious note, yes he must have. The most stunning women often have the most unlikely and rather odd/plain looking partners. Mind you, a sense of humour, charm, kindness and oodles of sex appeal go a long way.

    The mysteries of attraction, eh!

  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,071
    Speedy said:

    That was a very uncomfortable interview that Corbyn did, the awkwardness oozed out especially of the privy council.

    I was gobsmacked at just how uncomfortable he looked in that bit. At times he looked genuinely quite unsettled by the whole thing.

    After yesterday's headlines, Im dumbfounded that he hadn't got some pre-prepared line on the monarchy. Something along the lines of: "I obviously hold personal views and I do find the concept of hereditary position rather archaic, however I appreciate a lot of people in the country feel differently. I don't want my personal views to get in the way of the big issues that I want to bring up as leader of the opposition, and I will out of respect for my role as leader of the opposition abide by the traditions of our current system." Ok, it's a bit blustery and maybe a bit disingenuous, but that would be an answer that would close things down a bit more.

    As it is, he looks shifty, evasive and reinforces all the negative perceptions.
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ewww The Times are reporting Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott were lovers in the late 70s

    So that's 2 of the 3 hard lefties in the cabinet.... menage?

    Elsewhere Polly is once again off and retweeting anything to support someone who she surely had no belief in at all - what is it about guardianistas and their moral compass?

    Whose the repugnant red Tory tycoon threatening the increasingly impressive JC who is a shoo-in to stay to 2020 I would not suggest surely.

    https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/644259816739864580/photo/1
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,739
    Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Cyclefree said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ewww The Times are reporting Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott were lovers in the late 70s

    Please tell me that's a wind-up.........

    I wish it was. It's true.

    Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott bumped uglies, they played hide the purple parsnip etc
    To paraphrase one of your previous comments TSE.
    Did they go Baker Street?
    Yellow Card!

    (and it's change at Baker Street)
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    MaxPB said:

    Danny565 said:

    Why would the Times commission a poll but NOT include a proper voting intention question?!?

    YouGov. Would you trust it? I wouldn't.
    Even if nothing else, polls would still be useful to monitor trends and see if any particular event causes a strong reaction.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,135
    edited 2015 16
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Cyclefree said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ewww The Times are reporting Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott were lovers in the late 70s

    Please tell me that's a wind-up.........

    I wish it was. It's true.

    Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott bumped uglies, they played hide the purple parsnip etc
    One image I did not want tonight is Diane Abbott playing with Jeremy Corbyn's purple parsnip!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,739
    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ewww The Times are reporting Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott were lovers in the late 70s

    So that's 2 of the 3 hard lefties in the cabinet.... menage?

    Elsewhere Polly is once again off and retweeting anything to support someone who she surely had no belief in at all - what is it about guardianistas and their moral compass?

    Whose the repugnant red Tory tycoon threatening the increasingly impressive JC who is a shoo-in to stay to 2020 I would not suggest surely.

    twitter.com/suttonnick/status/644259816739864580/photo/1
    Assem Allam
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/16/greek-election-2015-golden-dawn-austerity

    Golden Dawn rising. I have a bad feeling about this,
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,135
    MaxPB said:

    Economic trust at 23% gives Labour a ceiling of about 27% on election day.

    Exactly the score Foot got
  • Hertsmere_PubgoerHertsmere_Pubgoer Posts: 3,476
    Apologies TSE, I couldn't resist it :-)
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited 2015 16
    Yet again, this theory about a new SDP-style party is undone by the fact there quite clearly isn't the public demand for one - as shown by the fact that the most centrist party just got its worst result in 45 years at this year's general election, and the fact no-one was enthused enough to sign up for the SDP-style candidate in the Labour leadership contest even with votes onsale for just £3.
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    Scott_P said:

    @simonsketch: The Tory trajectory is the opposite of the usual. 1) Hung parliament. 2) Slim majority. 3) Landslide.

    Wasnt it:
    1) modest majority
    2) landslide
    3) landslide
    4) slim majority
    5) #epicfail
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,135
    Danny565 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Danny565 said:

    Why would the Times commission a poll but NOT include a proper voting intention question?!?

    YouGov. Would you trust it? I wouldn't.
    Even if nothing else, polls would still be useful to monitor trends and see if any particular event causes a strong reaction.
    Indeed Reachtel had a voting intention poll out in Australia today measuring reaction to Abbott's ousting and Turnbull only became leader on Monday, Corbyn was elected on Saturday
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,739
    edited 2015 16
    Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

    Apologies TSE, I couldn't resist it :-)

    Don't worry.

    I will in no way make any smutty innuendos about this in any upcoming thread headers.

    Tomorrow will Corbyn talk about pulling out of Diane Abbott The EU?
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    Jeremy Corbyn MP @jeremyc0rbyn
    Let's face it, I've shagged everyone. #Jezza
    Retweeted by Toby Young
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,548
    SquareRoot said:

    Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Cyclefree said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ewww The Times are reporting Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott were lovers in the late 70s

    Please tell me that's a wind-up.........

    I wish it was. It's true.

    Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott bumped uglies, they played hide the purple parsnip etc
    To paraphrase one of your previous comments TSE.
    Did they go Baker Street?
    LOOK.. Some of us are about to get some zzz's , such a disgusting thought will keep people awake with its vileness.. Eeeewwwwwwwwww...
    Is there something about Baker Street I should know?

  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    A nation rejoices

    General Boles @GeneralBoles
    Before anyone asks, I'm not photoshopping it
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,739
    Cyclefree said:

    SquareRoot said:

    Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Cyclefree said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ewww The Times are reporting Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott were lovers in the late 70s

    Please tell me that's a wind-up.........

    I wish it was. It's true.

    Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott bumped uglies, they played hide the purple parsnip etc
    To paraphrase one of your previous comments TSE.
    Did they go Baker Street?
    LOOK.. Some of us are about to get some zzz's , such a disgusting thought will keep people awake with its vileness.. Eeeewwwwwwwwww...
    Is there something about Baker Street I should know?

    Yes. But it is very disgusting sexual innuendo that a lady like you should not know about.

    Only us filthy sex obsessed ex public schoolboys find it funny.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Jeremy Corbyn faces questions over his failure to intervene in a damaging party dispute involving Diane Abbott after it emerged that the two are former lovers.

    Details of their past relationship were revealed yesterday after Mr Corbyn was criticised for failing to step in when his shadow international development secretary verbally attacked a female MP who questioned his commitment to sexual equality.
    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4559169.ece
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Cyclefree said:

    SquareRoot said:

    Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Cyclefree said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ewww The Times are reporting Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott were lovers in the late 70s

    Please tell me that's a wind-up.........

    I wish it was. It's true.

    Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott bumped uglies, they played hide the purple parsnip etc
    To paraphrase one of your previous comments TSE.
    Did they go Baker Street?
    LOOK.. Some of us are about to get some zzz's , such a disgusting thought will keep people awake with its vileness.. Eeeewwwwwwwwww...
    Is there something about Baker Street I should know?

    AS you are a lady definitely NO>. but if you insist Google change at baker St in the urban dictionary
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