40 years senior experience? So he got his first senior role in a complex organisation at the age of 24 .
Maybe he has held several roles simultaneously and is including the years from them all? So 4 years holding 3 senior positions concurrently equals 12 years?
Terrible results for Corbyn in ITV News survey of Morley working mens' club, not one would vote for him, in a working mens' club!! 1 or 2 younger non voters said they may vote Labour with him as leader
Terrible results for Corbyn in ITV News survey of Morley working mens' club, not one would vote for him, in a working mens' club!! 1 or 2 younger non voters said they may vote Labour with him as leader
What was it about Corbyn that put them off?
Nothing, they were bedeviled by Murdoch.
Although seriously, I've not come across anyone who seems enthused by Corbyn, though I've striven to sound like he could be a surprise positive in conversation, but living deep in the Tory shires I think shy Labourites are more common than shy Tories (saw a Green poster up in a window at the GE, bless), but I have had a few non-voters spontaneously bring him up, someone how the leadership campaign broke through to some of them, and they thought he sounded awful, but he's clearly appealing in some places.
Terrible results for Corbyn in ITV News survey of Morley working mens' club, not one would vote for him, in a working mens' club!! 1 or 2 younger non voters said they may vote Labour with him as leader
@jessbrammar: Yanis Varoufakis says "there are going to be some discussions" when asked by @EvanHD if the Corbynites have asked him for his advice
I hope not, he's terrible. He's the living personification that economists have no clue about economics. Game Theory was a complete disaster, John Nash should have been ashamed of himself.
Mayor of Salzburg says it's a basic human right to help asylum seekers fleeing war. Does he know how many people around the world are in that situation and what would happen if they all come to Austria, Germany or Sweden?
My jaw dropped at that on the telly. On the one hand he said Austria was a small country that was "full"", but on the other that it wouldn't turn people away as seeking asylum was a basic human right. So, basically, his own pro-migrant EU dogma is undermining his own common sense. Textbook.
The segment also highlighted that many of these migrants are far from fleeing war, using their smartphones to guide them to their EU economy of choice with GPS. It is illegal economic migration en masse. As soon as pictures reached them of EU navies ferrying people safely across the Med, it has triggered a free-for-all the consequences of which Europe will be suffering for a long long time.
I am saddened that you thought that tweet was suitable to bring to this site, Mr Owls. It shows, if you'll pardon me saying so, a distinct lack of respect for the intelligence of your fellow posters.
The claim that McDonnell has had forty years experience in "senior roles in large complex organisations" is obviously false as he is only 64 years old and has been an MP since 1997.
I just thought it was amusing as I am sure GO may have more experience than folding towels at Selfridges. What do you think to Pritti Patels interview Mr Lama?
I am saddened that you thought that tweet was suitable to bring to this site, Mr Owls. It shows, if you'll pardon me saying so, a distinct lack of respect for the intelligence of your fellow posters.
The claim that McDonnell has had forty years experience in "senior roles in large complex organisations" is obviously false as he is only 64 years old and has been an MP since 1997.
I just thought it was amusing as I am sure GO may have more experience than folding towels at Selfridges. What do you think to Pritti Patels interview Mr Lama?
To be honest, Mr. Owls, I don't know anything about them. I think I saw a link about them on here earlier but I didn't follow it. So I have nothing to say. Did she say anything interesting?
Just back from local CLP meeting. Usually pretty dismal, this was a genuinely positive experience.
Total membership is over 600 in one of the safest blue seats, which I reckon is pretty good going given about 6-7 years ago in the nadir of 2008-9 it was around 100.
The mood was inclusive. Particularly striking that members who left over Iraq had returned and felt good about it. It was like a reunion.
Clearly there are huge risks from an unconventional leadership and I remain sceptical, but there are definitely some positive aspects.
So long as everyone feels good and included, that's all right then. For God's sake, you're meant to be a political party not a bloody therapy session for distressed toddlers!
eh?
I really can't help you if you don't understand. A political party is not about feeling good and inclusive (a daft word frankly) but about reaching out to the wider public, voters, to win power so that you can enact the policies they have voted for.
Everything I've heard from the Corbynistas is about how good it's making them feel. Who gives a toss about feelings? Or indeed about how you all feel? How about the poor bloody voters? Who rejected you? And whom you seem to be ignoring?
If you want to feel good, go to swimming classes or join the WI.
Politics is about power. About getting it, retaining it and what you use it for.
Come off it, you don't know what you are talking about. After an internal election (which by definition divides a party) it is important to come back together. Then you go out and campaign. And the better you feel the more likely you are to go out.
It's politics 101.
Yes we saw you doing that before. Feeling good. Going out campaigning. Rather charmingly you called them having conversations with us, the voters. I remember having 2 of them with one of your campaigners, feeling good no doubt, so good that he didn't listen to a bloody word.
Feeling is no substitute for thinking.
But you carry on.
Never mind politics 101. You'll be in Room 101.
What on Earth are you banging on about? Seriously. You are arguing against a motivated activist base? It's a positive thing. Is it sufficient for power? Of course not. But it is a pre-requisite.
@jessbrammar: Yanis Varoufakis says "there are going to be some discussions" when asked by @EvanHD if the Corbynites have asked him for his advice
I hope not, he's terrible. He's the living personification that economists have no clue about economics. Game Theory was a complete disaster, John Nash should have been ashamed of himself.
Apparently Tsipras and co never considered Europe would call their bluff, which in fairness I didn't think they would either, but then I wasn't putting my country on the line in taking that risk, the idiots.
I even remember an interview with Robin Day in 1983, which for some odd reason involved moving from one table to another in the studio. Foot gathered up a chaotic sheaf of papers and shuffled in the required direction, while Day barked - as if addressing an imbecile - "Have ye got yer man-i-festo?", then (sotto voce) "so you don't forget what's in it..."
Yes, cruel. It would have been much kinder to try to ensure that Foot did forget what was in it.
Majority of 33. Does that mean any opposition abstainers (excluding pairs) or does DUP/UUP + no Sinn Fein cover it.
Majority is 16 - after allowing for SF not taking seats.
DUP/UUP have 10 so if they abstain that takes it up to 26.
So Maj of 33 implies more opposition missing than Con missing.
This is going to be the practical problem for the opposition - getting everyone to turn up. Unless they think it's likely that the Govt will lose are some people (eg like Clegg and Carmichael?) going to bother to take the trouble to be there every night?
That's bad. Party funding under threat and they couldn't be arsed to turn up. Must be some other explanation or if not they are closing the coffin lid and nailing it down from the inside.
I don't know who did and did not tern up tonight, but I suspect over the next few months or possibly years, that a lot of labour MPs, (i.e. the moderate 90% that have not joined the shadow cabinet) may be absent for the HoC on a frequent basis.
Ether they will be spending time in there constituency's, making/maintaining friends within the PLP, to head off any potential de-selection/reselection issues, if challenges by a real Hard Left alternative.
or if they may be giving up on ever returning to government, they may be making contacts in the privet sector, ready for a change in career, after the next GE.
I really can't help you if you don't understand. A political party is not about feeling good and inclusive (a daft word frankly) but about reaching out to the wider public, voters, to win power so that you can enact the policies they have voted for.
Everything I've heard from the Corbynistas is about how good it's making them feel. Who gives a toss about feelings? Or indeed about how you all feel? How about the poor bloody voters? Who rejected you? And whom you seem to be ignoring?
If you want to feel good, go to swimming classes or join the WI.
Politics is about power. About getting it, retaining it and what you use it for.
I had a discussion with a former member of the Labour party the other day: fortysomething Yorkshireman from a mining community, Labour born and bred, traumatised by Corbyn. I pointed out that cats do not compete with dogs, they compete with other cats: people define success as compared to their peers, not in an absolute sense. By that token, party members define success as gaining the esteem of other party members: if that helps the voters then that is a happy accident, but it's not necessary.
Looking at the header graphic again, interesting how Labour voters consider Michael Foot a greater disaster than voters in general (showing that there is a folk memory of the road to utter disaster) and yet ...
The Communities and Local Government Secretary Greg Clark welcomed his opposite number:
‘The shadow secretary of state [Jon Trickett] was once PPS to Peter Mandelson, our members will recall. And of course, Tony Blair once said that his project wouldn’t be complete until the Labour learned to love Peter Mandelson. I wonder if the right honourable gentleman is going to give us update on progress on that matter?’
@jessbrammar: Yanis Varoufakis says "there are going to be some discussions" when asked by @EvanHD if the Corbynites have asked him for his advice
I hope not, he's terrible. He's the living personification that economists have no clue about economics. Game Theory was a complete disaster, John Nash should have been ashamed of himself.
Apparently Tsipras and co never considered Europe would call their bluff, which in fairness I didn't think they would either, but then I wasn't putting my country on the line in taking that risk, the idiots.
Tsipras and Varoufakis where the worst possible combination, one is a committed eurocommunist who wets his pants and the other a hardcore gamer and extreme sportsman who doesn't have a clue about anything outside of the Playstation. Their relationship was like that between a dentist and his patient.
I am saddened that you thought that tweet was suitable to bring to this site, Mr Owls. It shows, if you'll pardon me saying so, a distinct lack of respect for the intelligence of your fellow posters.
The claim that McDonnell has had forty years experience in "senior roles in large complex organisations" is obviously false as he is only 64 years old and has been an MP since 1997.
I just thought it was amusing as I am sure GO may have more experience than folding towels at Selfridges. What do you think to Pritti Patels interview Mr Lama?
I am saddened that you thought that tweet was suitable to bring to this site, Mr Owls. It shows, if you'll pardon me saying so, a distinct lack of respect for the intelligence of your fellow posters.
The claim that McDonnell has had forty years experience in "senior roles in large complex organisations" is obviously false as he is only 64 years old and has been an MP since 1997.
I just thought it was amusing as I am sure GO may have more experience than folding towels at Selfridges. What do you think to Pritti Patels interview Mr Lama?
To be honest, Mr. Owls, I don't know anything about them. I think I saw a link about them on here earlier but I didn't follow it. So I have nothing to say. Did she say anything interesting?
Guardian columnist and naive idiot. The combination is not unknown.
Some great analysis by her. Corbyn isn't offering old solutions he's offering new solutions. I'm young and free education is a totally new idea to me!
BTW how was Margaret Beckett appointed Foreign Sec by accident?
My favourite Blair reshuffle cock-up was when he appointed Falconer to be Lord Chancellor without realising that the post also involved being Speaker in the House of Lords
Majority of 33. Does that mean any opposition abstainers (excluding pairs) or does DUP/UUP + no Sinn Fein cover it.
Majority is 16 - after allowing for SF not taking seats.
DUP/UUP have 10 so if they abstain that takes it up to 26.
So Maj of 33 implies more opposition missing than Con missing.
This is going to be the practical problem for the opposition - getting everyone to turn up. Unless they think it's likely that the Govt will lose are some people (eg like Clegg and Carmichael?) going to bother to take the trouble to be there every night?
That's bad. Party funding under threat and they couldn't be arsed to turn up. Must be some other explanation or if not they are closing the coffin lid and nailing it down from the inside.
I don't know who did and did not tern up tonight, but I suspect over the next few months or possibly years, that a lot of labour MPs, (i.e. the moderate 90% that have not joined the shadow cabinet) may be absent for the HoC on a frequent basis.
Ether they will be spending time in there constituency's, making/maintaining friends within the PLP, to head off any potential de-selection/reselection issues, if challenges by a real Hard Left alternative.
or if they may be giving up on ever returning to government, they may be making contacts in the privet sector, ready for a change in career, after the next GE.
Fair points. The latter really is the stunning one. Perhaps Mandleston was right and they have come to the conclusion themselves it is all over then opposition os effectively dead. I still can't get my head around all of this to be honest. The events are moving faster than I can even start to comprehend their meaning.
I never thought though I would ever see a mainstream political party implode in front of me but it's happening.... Now .....in glorious socialist technicolor.
Looking at the header graphic again, interesting how Labour voters consider Michael Foot a greater disaster than voters in general (showing that there is a folk memory of the road to utter disaster) and yet ...
Entirely within MOE (having checked the data table), but I suspect you are gently trolling
@jessbrammar: Yanis Varoufakis says "there are going to be some discussions" when asked by @EvanHD if the Corbynites have asked him for his advice
I hope not, he's terrible. He's the living personification that economists have no clue about economics. Game Theory was a complete disaster, John Nash should have been ashamed of himself.
Apparently Tsipras and co never considered Europe would call their bluff, which in fairness I didn't think they would either, but then I wasn't putting my country on the line in taking that risk, the idiots.
Both John Nash and Herman Khan pointed out the risks of the "calculating game theorist" running up against other calculating gamers.....
I am saddened that you thought that tweet was suitable to bring to this site, Mr Owls. It shows, if you'll pardon me saying so, a distinct lack of respect for the intelligence of your fellow posters.
The claim that McDonnell has had forty years experience in "senior roles in large complex organisations" is obviously false as he is only 64 years old and has been an MP since 1997.
I just thought it was amusing as I am sure GO may have more experience than folding towels at Selfridges. What do you think to Pritti Patels interview Mr Lama?
I am saddened that you thought that tweet was suitable to bring to this site, Mr Owls. It shows, if you'll pardon me saying so, a distinct lack of respect for the intelligence of your fellow posters.
The claim that McDonnell has had forty years experience in "senior roles in large complex organisations" is obviously false as he is only 64 years old and has been an MP since 1997.
I just thought it was amusing as I am sure GO may have more experience than folding towels at Selfridges. What do you think to Pritti Patels interview Mr Lama?
To be honest, Mr. Owls, I don't know anything about them. I think I saw a link about them on here earlier but I didn't follow it. So I have nothing to say. Did she say anything interesting?
Sorry, mate but I don't do videos, except funnies. I haven't the patience to sit through them, life is too damn short. I take it from the title in the link that La Patel made a fool of herself, if so I am not surprised.
Can anyone say if Corbyn has appointed any Shadow junior ministers yet? Or is he not going to bother to try? I suppose he might be devolving the responsibility for team appointments to each Shadow Cabinet minister individually (not so stupid actually!).
I seriously hope NOT, Syriza is a lesson that Corbyn should look at as how not to do things.
PMQs, 28th January:
Jeremy Corbyn: Has the Prime Minister had a chance to place a call to Alexis Tsipras, the new Prime Minister of Greece, in order to congratulate him on winning the election, and also to learn from him why the people of Greece have finally said no to the imposition of the most appalling austerity, the destruction of their public services, high levels of unemployment, and deepening poverty?
The affection for John Smith stands out here for me. He was a genuine and decent guy who would have made an excellent PM, but he'd still have ended up being scorned by half the population by the end, as is the way. I guess it's like rock stars who die young after one album.
I am saddened that you thought that tweet was suitable to bring to this site, Mr Owls. It shows, if you'll pardon me saying so, a distinct lack of respect for the intelligence of your fellow posters.
The claim that McDonnell has had forty years experience in "senior roles in large complex organisations" is obviously false as he is only 64 years old and has been an MP since 1997.
I just thought it was amusing as I am sure GO may have more experience than folding towels at Selfridges. What do you think to Pritti Patels interview Mr Lama?
I am saddened that you thought that tweet was suitable to bring to this site, Mr Owls. It shows, if you'll pardon me saying so, a distinct lack of respect for the intelligence of your fellow posters.
The claim that McDonnell has had forty years experience in "senior roles in large complex organisations" is obviously false as he is only 64 years old and has been an MP since 1997.
I just thought it was amusing as I am sure GO may have more experience than folding towels at Selfridges. What do you think to Pritti Patels interview Mr Lama?
To be honest, Mr. Owls, I don't know anything about them. I think I saw a link about them on here earlier but I didn't follow it. So I have nothing to say. Did she say anything interesting?
Sorry, mate but I don't do videos, except funnies. I haven't the patience to sit through them, life is too damn short. I take it from the title in the link that La Patel made a fool of herself, if so I am not surprised.
Can anyone say if Corbyn has appointed any Shadow junior ministers yet? Or is he not going to bother to try? I suppose he might be devolving the responsibility for team appointments to each Shadow Cabinet minister individually (not so stupid actually!).
Give him a chance!! I'm not fan to say the least, but this is getting silly. Even Cameron takes a day or two to do a full reshuffle.
@jessbrammar: Yanis Varoufakis says "there are going to be some discussions" when asked by @EvanHD if the Corbynites have asked him for his advice
I hope not, he's terrible. He's the living personification that economists have no clue about economics. Game Theory was a complete disaster, John Nash should have been ashamed of himself.
Apparently Tsipras and co never considered Europe would call their bluff, which in fairness I didn't think they would either, but then I wasn't putting my country on the line in taking that risk, the idiots.
Both John Nash and Herman Khan pointed out the risks of the "calculating game theorist" running up against other calculating gamers.....
Ha! They should try playing Diplomacy with some of the fellows on here. Playing Turkey against Andy Cooke as Germany would teach them a few things about game theory and calculating gamers.
@jessbrammar: Yanis Varoufakis says "there are going to be some discussions" when asked by @EvanHD if the Corbynites have asked him for his advice
I hope not, he's terrible. He's the living personification that economists have no clue about economics. Game Theory was a complete disaster, John Nash should have been ashamed of himself.
Apparently Tsipras and co never considered Europe would call their bluff, which in fairness I didn't think they would either, but then I wasn't putting my country on the line in taking that risk, the idiots.
Both John Nash and Herman Khan pointed out the risks of the "calculating game theorist" running up against other calculating gamers.....
John Nash simply devised of the silly game theory to give the US government something to chew on during the cold war, it was never supposed to be actually implemented but simply to give a scientific backbone to Mutual Assured Destruction. There were a lot of nutters in the 60's who supported the idea that "the Russians are going to attack at any moment, best to nuke them first" kind of thing, Game Theory sidelined them.
Game Theory is supposed to educate Politicians and Generals in the art of modern war and diplomacy, not economics:
Can anyone say if Corbyn has appointed any Shadow junior ministers yet? Or is he not going to bother to try? I suppose he might be devolving the responsibility for team appointments to each Shadow Cabinet minister individually (not so stupid actually!).
Give him a chance!! I'm not fan to say the least, but this is getting silly. Even Cameron takes a day or two to do a full reshuffle.
Well yeah, because like all upper class people he's lazy, revolutionaries must never pause for breath!
@jessbrammar: Yanis Varoufakis says "there are going to be some discussions" when asked by @EvanHD if the Corbynites have asked him for his advice
I hope not, he's terrible. He's the living personification that economists have no clue about economics. Game Theory was a complete disaster, John Nash should have been ashamed of himself.
Apparently Tsipras and co never considered Europe would call their bluff, which in fairness I didn't think they would either, but then I wasn't putting my country on the line in taking that risk, the idiots.
Both John Nash and Herman Khan pointed out the risks of the "calculating game theorist" running up against other calculating gamers.....
Ha! They should try playing Diplomacy with some of the fellows on here. Playing Turkey against Andy Cooke as Germany would teach them a few things about game theory and calculating gamers.
Is there some clever game theory reason why people keep banging on about game theory?
Can anyone say if Corbyn has appointed any Shadow junior ministers yet? Or is he not going to bother to try? I suppose he might be devolving the responsibility for team appointments to each Shadow Cabinet minister individually (not so stupid actually!).
Give him a chance!! I'm not fan to say the least, but this is getting silly. Even Cameron takes a day or two to do a full reshuffle.
Look... with all these people with 40 years experience , it's a tough choice.
Can anyone say if Corbyn has appointed any Shadow junior ministers yet? Or is he not going to bother to try? I suppose he might be devolving the responsibility for team appointments to each Shadow Cabinet minister individually (not so stupid actually!).
Give him a chance!! I'm not fan to say the least, but this is getting silly. Even Cameron takes a day or two to do a full reshuffle.
Well yeah, because like all upper class people he's lazy, revolutionaries must never pause for breath!
I dunno, Lenin's death became a public holiday in Russia at one point.
@Freeman_George: Where there's a civil war there are always refugees and asylum seekers. We must be ready to accept NewLabour refugees http://t.co/YvW6nGHy0M
@jessbrammar: Yanis Varoufakis says "there are going to be some discussions" when asked by @EvanHD if the Corbynites have asked him for his advice
I hope not, he's terrible. He's the living personification that economists have no clue about economics. Game Theory was a complete disaster, John Nash should have been ashamed of himself.
Apparently Tsipras and co never considered Europe would call their bluff, which in fairness I didn't think they would either, but then I wasn't putting my country on the line in taking that risk, the idiots.
Both John Nash and Herman Khan pointed out the risks of the "calculating game theorist" running up against other calculating gamers.....
Ha! They should try playing Diplomacy with some of the fellows on here. Playing Turkey against Andy Cooke as Germany would teach them a few things about game theory and calculating gamers.
Is there some clever game theory reason why people keep banging on about game theory?
The new Labour leader is likely to be invited to National Security Council (NSC) summits at Downing Street, even though the Prime Minister fears he could be a risk to the country’s safety.
The Tory leader tweeted on Sunday: “The Labour Party is now a threat to our national security"
Then Corbyn shouldn't be there.
The first duty of the PM is the defence and safety of the nation. That supersedes any convention as to who might be invited to such meetings.
They should have the meetings with Corbyn, give false information, then have the proper meeting without him. If the false information ends up in 'chatter', then prosecute him and throw him in jail. If not, then perhaps their assessment of Corbyn is wrong.
@jessbrammar: Yanis Varoufakis says "there are going to be some discussions" when asked by @EvanHD if the Corbynites have asked him for his advice
I hope not, he's terrible. He's the living personification that economists have no clue about economics. Game Theory was a complete disaster, John Nash should have been ashamed of himself.
Apparently Tsipras and co never considered Europe would call their bluff, which in fairness I didn't think they would either, but then I wasn't putting my country on the line in taking that risk, the idiots.
Both John Nash and Herman Khan pointed out the risks of the "calculating game theorist" running up against other calculating gamers.....
Ha! They should try playing Diplomacy with some of the fellows on here. Playing Turkey against Andy Cooke as Germany would teach them a few things about game theory and calculating gamers.
Is there some clever game theory reason why people keep banging on about game theory?
It makes people sound clever and cool.
Game Theory, properly used, enables you to understand why, in negotiations involving distrust, people can end up in outcomes which are not optimal for themselves (or indeed anyone). It is useful as an analytical tool, but not so much as a predictive one, as assigning values to outcomes is, in most real life situations, little more than guess work with the result that you may end up far from where you thought you would be if you rely on Game Theory rather than on reading the room. That is where the Greeks went wrong.
Five LibDems voted no. Three were missing - Clegg, Farron and Mulholland. They might have been paired.
I haven't analysed the other parties.
I have to say that the Trade Union bill so far is something that all Labour MP's seem united about.
Goodnight.
Trouble is, facing a govt majority, they would probably get a far better outcome if they engage with the proposals rather than adopting blanket opposition. Even if politically they feel they have no choice.
Five LibDems voted no. Three were missing - Clegg, Farron and Mulholland. They might have been paired.
I haven't analysed the other parties.
I have to say that the Trade Union bill so far is something that all Labour MP's seem united about.
Goodnight.
Trouble is, facing a govt majority, they would probably get a far better outcome if they engage with the proposals rather than adopting blanket opposition. Even if politically they feel they have no choice.
On this one they are safe to blanket oppose I think. Who would expect otherwise on a trade union bill, any criticism is priced in.
Terrible results for Corbyn in ITV News survey of Morley working mens' club, not one would vote for him, in a working mens' club!! 1 or 2 younger non voters said they may vote Labour with him as leader
What was it about Corbyn that put them off?
Working class Labourites tend not to be great fans of metropolitan, Islington socialists
I really can't help you if you don't understand. A political party is not about feeling good and inclusive (a daft word frankly) but about reaching out to the wider public, voters, to win power so that you can enact the policies they have voted for.
Everything I've heard from the Corbynistas is about how good it's making them feel. Who gives a toss about feelings? Or indeed about how you all feel? How about the poor bloody voters? Who rejected you? And whom you seem to be ignoring?
If you want to feel good, go to swimming classes or join the WI.
Politics is about power. About getting it, retaining it and what you use it for.
LOL, even by the high standards of Ms Cyclefree's posts that's a humdinger, especially the penultimate paragraph.
"Power as an end in itself", the Blair motto. Thank god we will never experience again the feeling of "something is rotten in Denmark" of the Blair years, especially the corruption, the incompetence and the madness of the dear leader.
Read my post. The key question for all politicians is why do you want power and what do you want to use it for. Surprisingly few politicians are able to answer these questions well.
Blair was a narcissistic weasel who did not really know what to do with the powers he had and so wasted them.
Labour currently are talking about themselves and to themselves. It's all about them. They can't even understand the question. And the so-called moderates looked absolutely panic stricken when asked this. Corbyn won because he gave an answer which seemed to approximate to replaying the Tom Courtenay role in Dr Zhivago (the austere but pure of heart revolutionary who wants to make the world a better place. Corbyn even had a cap like him in some photos.)
Terrible results for Corbyn in ITV News survey of Morley working mens' club, not one would vote for him, in a working mens' club!! 1 or 2 younger non voters said they may vote Labour with him as leader
What was it about Corbyn that put them off?
He believes in homeopathy and deficit spending ad absurdum, he seeks out the company of the terrorist and antisemitic, he thinks the UK should have a much smaller military, he is a fan of Putin, Varoufakis and Chavez, he wants to reopen the mines, renationalise the railways, and couldn't find his arse with both hands and a map
BBC1 10pm news was heavily emphasising uncertainty re what Labour's policies would now be.
I suspect this could well be the second big issue at the GE, ie:
Attack line 1 will be Labour = high taxes, weak defence, printing money, open borders, more power for Unions etc etc
Attack line 2 will be that you can't be sure what Labour will do due to different opinions at the top of the Labour Party so Labour = risk, uncertainty, instability etc etc
Majority of 33. Does that mean any opposition abstainers (excluding pairs) or does DUP/UUP + no Sinn Fein cover it.
Majority is 16 - after allowing for SF not taking seats.
DUP/UUP have 10 so if they abstain that takes it up to 26.
So Maj of 33 implies more opposition missing than Con missing.
This is going to be the practical problem for the opposition - getting everyone to turn up. Unless they think it's likely that the Govt will lose are some people (eg like Clegg and Carmichael?) going to bother to take the trouble to be there every night?
That's bad. Party funding under threat and they couldn't be arsed to turn up. Must be some other explanation or if not they are closing the coffin lid and nailing it down from the inside.
I don't know who did and did not tern up tonight, but I suspect over the next few months or possibly years, that a lot of labour MPs, (i.e. the moderate 90% that have not joined the shadow cabinet) may be absent for the HoC on a frequent basis.
Ether they will be spending time in there constituency's, making/maintaining friends within the PLP, to head off any potential de-selection/reselection issues, if challenges by a real Hard Left alternative.
or if they may be giving up on ever returning to government, they may be making contacts in the privet sector, ready for a change in career, after the next GE.
Majority of 33. Does that mean any opposition abstainers (excluding pairs) or does DUP/UUP + no Sinn Fein cover it.
Majority is 16 - after allowing for SF not taking seats.
DUP/UUP have 10 so if they abstain that takes it up to 26.
So Maj of 33 implies more opposition missing than Con missing.
This is going to be the practical problem for the opposition - getting everyone to turn up. Unless they think it's likely that the Govt will lose are some people (eg like Clegg and Carmichael?) going to bother to take the trouble to be there every night?
That's bad. Party funding under threat and they couldn't be arsed to turn up. Must be some other explanation or if not they are closing the coffin lid and nailing it down from the inside.
I don't know who did and did not tern up tonight, but I suspect over the next few months or possibly years, that a lot of labour MPs, (i.e. the moderate 90% that have not joined the shadow cabinet) may be absent for the HoC on a frequent basis.
Ether they will be spending time in there constituency's, making/maintaining friends within the PLP, to head off any potential de-selection/reselection issues, if challenges by a real Hard Left alternative.
or if they may be giving up on ever returning to government, they may be making contacts in the privet sector, ready for a change in career, after the next GE.
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Although seriously, I've not come across anyone who seems enthused by Corbyn, though I've striven to sound like he could be a surprise positive in conversation, but living deep in the Tory shires I think shy Labourites are more common than shy Tories (saw a Green poster up in a window at the GE, bless), but I have had a few non-voters spontaneously bring him up, someone how the leadership campaign broke through to some of them, and they thought he sounded awful, but he's clearly appealing in some places.
He's the living personification that economists have no clue about economics. Game Theory was a complete disaster, John Nash should have been ashamed of himself.
The segment also highlighted that many of these migrants are far from fleeing war, using their smartphones to guide them to their EU economy of choice with GPS. It is illegal economic migration en masse. As soon as pictures reached them of EU navies ferrying people safely across the Med, it has triggered a free-for-all the consequences of which Europe will be suffering for a long long time.
Ether they will be spending time in there constituency's, making/maintaining friends within the PLP, to head off any potential de-selection/reselection issues, if challenges by a real Hard Left alternative.
or if they may be giving up on ever returning to government, they may be making contacts in the privet sector, ready for a change in career, after the next GE.
Tony Blairs smile hasnt lasted nearly so well decidedly less convincing after Iraq
The Communities and Local Government Secretary Greg Clark welcomed his opposite number:
‘The shadow secretary of state [Jon Trickett] was once PPS to Peter Mandelson, our members will recall. And of course, Tony Blair once said that his project wouldn’t be complete until the Labour learned to love Peter Mandelson. I wonder if the right honourable gentleman is going to give us update on progress on that matter?’
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/09/labour-turmoil-dominates-the-local-government-questions/
Their relationship was like that between a dentist and his patient.
https://audioboom.com/boos/3566718-tory-minister-priti-patel-gives-a-lesson-on-how-not-to-react-to-a-corbyn-victory?utm_campaign=embed&utm_content=retweet&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
BTW how was Margaret Beckett appointed Foreign Sec by accident?
My favourite Blair reshuffle cock-up was when he appointed Falconer to be Lord Chancellor without realising that the post also involved being Speaker in the House of Lords
I never thought though I would ever see a mainstream political party implode in front of me but it's happening.... Now .....in glorious socialist technicolor.
Jeremy Corbyn: Has the Prime Minister had a chance to place a call to Alexis Tsipras, the new Prime Minister of Greece, in order to congratulate him on winning the election, and also to learn from him why the people of Greece have finally said no to the imposition of the most appalling austerity, the destruction of their public services, high levels of unemployment, and deepening poverty?
http://jeremycorbyn.org.uk/articles/in-parliament-pmqs-greece-syriza-28012015/
There were a lot of nutters in the 60's who supported the idea that "the Russians are going to attack at any moment, best to nuke them first" kind of thing, Game Theory sidelined them.
Game Theory is supposed to educate Politicians and Generals in the art of modern war and diplomacy, not economics:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHWjlCaIrQo
http://www.parliament.uk/business/publications/hansard/commons/todays-commons-debates/read/unknown/195/
Scroll to the end.
Five LibDems voted no.
Three were missing - Clegg, Farron and Mulholland. They might have been paired.
I haven't analysed the other parties.
Goodnight.
Good night all.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/253531-walker-unveils-assault-on-labor
Blair was a narcissistic weasel who did not really know what to do with the powers he had and so wasted them.
Labour currently are talking about themselves and to themselves. It's all about them. They can't even understand the question. And the so-called moderates looked absolutely panic stricken when asked this. Corbyn won because he gave an answer which seemed to approximate to replaying the Tom Courtenay role in Dr Zhivago (the austere but pure of heart revolutionary who wants to make the world a better place. Corbyn even had a cap like him in some photos.)
Meanwhile in the real world.......
Iain Dale on Priti Patel.
She could have come out of "The Stepford Wives"
She's so on-message, that the message itself doesn't get through (at least, not authentically) so much as the pure on-messageness.
Being a smart lass can't she ad-lib a bit?
I suspect this could well be the second big issue at the GE, ie:
Attack line 1 will be Labour = high taxes, weak defence, printing money, open borders, more power for Unions etc etc
Attack line 2 will be that you can't be sure what Labour will do due to different opinions at the top of the Labour Party so Labour = risk, uncertainty, instability etc etc
Reads exactly like the pieces from the demonstrators or the occupidiots that we have seen every 9 months since 2010.
PennyRed appointing herself as standard bearer for *another* new generation which will transform world politics in 5 4 3 2 ... 1 ...
But what do voters know?
Jeremy Corbyn unveils 'unifying' shadow cabinet team
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-34240869
https://www.twitter.com/gabyhinsliff/status/643450482032312321