SNP: Corbyn's politics are a step back towards lost Labour voters in Scotland and they won't simply be able to just say "progressive" and "anti austerity" all the time to win votes. There'll be no more easy moments for them like the welfare or budget responsibility bill.
Not remotely.
The reaction to Corbyn by the London Media and the English Electorate (if he even gets to face an electoral test) will simply entrench the left in Scotland in their belief in Independence. When Corbyn is electorally humiliated or, more likely, extricated from his leadership by a Labour coup, it will only enhance the SNP's position.
Corbyn is the best possible outcome for the SNP and Scottish Independence.
Eh no, Corbyn will at least finally end the 'Red Tories' cry of the cybernats, which will be a bit difficult to apply when he is even more leftwing than Sturgeon. He may not smash the SNP, but the SNP have said Corbyn is the candidate they least want to win the Labour leadership for a reason
The reason has to do with the power to oppose in Westminster and with a labour party split asunder for years there will be no coherent opposition to the conservatives
I worked in Merthyr for six years, for arguably the best magazine printing company in the UK. It's 20 mins from the Cardiff M4, the people are hard as feck but will give you their last penny, nights out are intimidating but fabulously memorable and the place is scenic, laid back and great fun.
It's also benefited this past 10 years from serious EU investment. I'd live there; no problem.
It's not a shithole like (most of ) Birmingham or Liverpool or parts of London. It's not crassly ignorant and unfriendly like London either.
And this erroneous idea that there are no immigrants in the Valleys??!! Come on guys, my six year old is in a class with an India, a Lithuanian, a Sri Lankan, a couple of black kids. The valleys are far more mixed than say Butetown in Cardiff where 99% of the class is Somalian.
The results in Edinburgh and Midlothian yesterday showed Labour to SNP swings of 7 and 6% respectively since 2012. I am pretty confident that the swings last May were higher in both areas - in relation to 2012.
Grasping straws comes to mind
Check the figures for yourself!
Still grasping at straws - no way are labour coming back in Scotland - the SNP have taken over their ground just as the Conservatives have in England
Yeah agree. Just seems to me Labour can nibble at the edges a bit but what happened in May was like the Irish Parliamentary Party's breakthrough in the 1880's. Ultimately despite some ups and downs in the decades after the Liberals never totally recovered.
SNP: Corbyn's politics are a step back towards lost Labour voters in Scotland and they won't simply be able to just say "progressive" and "anti austerity" all the time to win votes. There'll be no more easy moments for them like the welfare or budget responsibility bill.
Not remotely.
The reaction to Corbyn by the London Media and the English Electorate (if he even gets to face an electoral test) will simply entrench the left in Scotland in their belief in Independence. When Corbyn is electorally humiliated or, more likely, extricated from his leadership by a Labour coup, it will only enhance the SNP's position.
Corbyn is the best possible outcome for the SNP and Scottish Independence.
Eh no, Corbyn will at least finally end the 'Red Tories' cry of the cybernats, which will be a bit difficult to apply when he is even more leftwing than Sturgeon. He may not smash the SNP, but the SNP have said Corbyn is the candidate they least want to win the Labour leadership for a reason
The SNP no longer need to make Red Tories cries since SLAB are dead and cremated let alone buried rather than the incumbents.
Its so ironic that the BLAIRITES drove through the changes for electing the leader. They all but forced Ed to accept them at gunpoint after Falkirk.
I do like the way you blythely write Falkirk instead of "the Labour party were demonstrated to be extensively corrupt, with Union bosses flooding branches with fictional members, bullying in votes and attempting to impose their own candidates ahead of the choice of members".
One of the main problems for Labour in the last couple of mayoral elections is that the two main planks of Labour's London core vote (the young and ethnic minorities) are notoriously hard to get out to vote for anything less than a general election. But more Muslims might be enthused for Khan, especially if the Tory campaign goes down the track of some of the more unpleasant undertones of PBers' comments about Khan today.
This focus on Labour "needing to win the Tory suburbs" is a red herring in a proportional system -- if they do a better job of maximising turnout in their inner London heartlands, they win.
I would never want there to be favouritism for white people enshrined in law. Khan wants favouritism for anyone but white people, and you are inferring racism on the part of his detractors?!
Why should my kids suffer because of the colour of their skin?
SNP: Corbyn's politics are a step back towards lost Labour voters in Scotland and they won't simply be able to just say "progressive" and "anti austerity" all the time to win votes. There'll be no more easy moments for them like the welfare or budget responsibility bill.
Not remotely.
The reaction to Corbyn by the London Media and the English Electorate (if he even gets to face an electoral test) will simply entrench the left in Scotland in their belief in Independence. When Corbyn is electorally humiliated or, more likely, extricated from his leadership by a Labour coup, it will only enhance the SNP's position.
Corbyn is the best possible outcome for the SNP and Scottish Independence.
Eh no, Corbyn will at least finally end the 'Red Tories' cry of the cybernats, which will be a bit difficult to apply when he is even more leftwing than Sturgeon. He may not smash the SNP, but the SNP have said Corbyn is the candidate they least want to win the Labour leadership for a reason
SLAB have just elected the toriest of Red Tories to be their new Branch Manager.
SNP: Corbyn's politics are a step back towards lost Labour voters in Scotland and they won't simply be able to just say "progressive" and "anti austerity" all the time to win votes. There'll be no more easy moments for them like the welfare or budget responsibility bill.
Not remotely.
The reaction to Corbyn by the London Media and the English Electorate (if he even gets to face an electoral test) will simply entrench the left in Scotland in their belief in Independence. When Corbyn is electorally humiliated or, more likely, extricated from his leadership by a Labour coup, it will only enhance the SNP's position.
Corbyn is the best possible outcome for the SNP and Scottish Independence.
Eh no, Corbyn will at least finally end the 'Red Tories' cry of the cybernats, which will be a bit difficult to apply when he is even more leftwing than Sturgeon. He may not smash the SNP, but the SNP have said Corbyn is the candidate they least want to win the Labour leadership for a reason
The SNP no longer need to make Red Tories cries since SLAB are dead and cremated let alone buried rather than the incumbents.
They are still the second party in Scotland and in the Central Belt at least Corbyn will find some support
''Conquering Khan'' -- a bit of a hostage to fortune to allude and compare him to Genghis and his invading hoards. But let's see more of Mr Corbyn as a poster boy for the Morning Star.
SNP: Corbyn's politics are a step back towards lost Labour voters in Scotland and they won't simply be able to just say "progressive" and "anti austerity" all the time to win votes. There'll be no more easy moments for them like the welfare or budget responsibility bill.
Not remotely.
The reaction to Corbyn by the London Media and the English Electorate (if he even gets to face an electoral test) will simply entrench the left in Scotland in their belief in Independence. When Corbyn is electorally humiliated or, more likely, extricated from his leadership by a Labour coup, it will only enhance the SNP's position.
Corbyn is the best possible outcome for the SNP and Scottish Independence.
Eh no, Corbyn will at least finally end the 'Red Tories' cry of the cybernats, which will be a bit difficult to apply when he is even more leftwing than Sturgeon. He may not smash the SNP, but the SNP have said Corbyn is the candidate they least want to win the Labour leadership for a reason
The reason has to do with the power to oppose in Westminster and with a labour party split asunder for years there will be no coherent opposition to the conservatives
The Scotland Bill will be passed shortly and whatever constitutes a 'coherent' opposition to the conservatives, which I agree is not Corbyn, will make little difference in Scotland
"Jeremy Corbyn faces the resignation of up to a dozen shadow cabinet ministers on the first day of his leadership as senior Labour figures refused to serve under the hard-Left MP.
I know there's some very knowledgeable rugby fans on PB and a few Welsh Rugby fans too, so who is going to win the Webb Ellis Cup?
1. All Blacks 2. England 3. Australia 4. Wales/Ireland 5. South Africa 6. France 7. Samoa
I'd rate their chances in that order. Whichever of Wales, Oz or England wins their group has a great chance.
I think SA will struggle.
The All Blacks will be tough to beat. But England at home will be a formidable proposition for anyone.
Wales, sadly, are in a cruel group and we have to play England at Twickenham. It's very tough for us and the loss of Rhys Webb is a killer blow. But I have hope. Senseless, pissed, optimistic Welsh hope.
I worked in Merthyr for six years, for arguably the best magazine printing company in the UK. It's 20 mins from the Cardiff M4, the people are hard as feck but will give you their last penny, nights out are intimidating but fabulously memorable and the place is scenic, laid back and great fun.
It's also benefited this past 10 years from serious EU investment. I'd live there; no problem.
It's not a shithole like (most of ) Birmingham or Liverpool or parts of London. It's not crassly ignorant and unfriendly like London either.
And this erroneous idea that there are no immigrants in the Valleys??!! Come on guys, my six year old is in a class with an India, a Lithuanian, a Sri Lankan, a couple of black kids. The valleys are far more mixed than say Butetown in Cardiff where 99% of the class is Somalian.
I plucked Merthyr out as a representative town in the Valleys most on PB will have heard of. Nothing against it per se. Of course there are immigrants in S Wales but compared to UK averages (let alone London) it's had far less immigration.
What i dont understand about this "quota system" proposed by Juncker and being pushed by Merkel is this, how is the EU going to make sure those dispersed to say Slovakia actually STAY in Slovakia? Free movement is a fundamental principle of being an EU citizen, guest worker, accepted refugee etc. We cannot have 2nd class citizens, everyone should have the same rights, including the freedom to live and work wherever in the Euopean Union you want. Maybe im missing something, can anyone explain?
Personally i think Britain is missing out, the majority of the Syrians arriving in Europe are highly educated, mobile, middle class who will im sure be economically beneficial. I would have no problem with similar numbers to Germany being taken in by us, as long as housing and other infrastructure and services were provided. The Muslim population of Britain is dominated by those of Pakistani & Bengali heritage with a small but growing Somali population, allowing a large number of Syrians (500,000+) would actually diversify the population and break the dominance of those either from the Indian sub continent or with that heritage.
Good luck with selling that to the electorate
The current refugee crisis calls for leadership not pandering to the Islamophobic elements of the electorate. I'm ashamed of how Cameron has turned his back on desperate people especially when he is keen to take military action here there and everywhere without a second thought to the consequences.
Thank god for Labour, what with their ethical foreign policy and they would never take us to war without thought of the consequences......
Have to say I was surprised Sadiq Khan won the Labour Mayoral nomination so easily. The question is now whether he can deliver London for Labour next year.
I suspect the MaxPBs of this world would have been rushing to the Tory flag even if Tessa Jowell had won and the battle won't be won or lost in my part of London either. London isn't uniform - it has a diverse number of areas with their own characteristics and what plays well in one area might not do so in another.
That said, it's much more about getting out the vote - if the new Labour machine can get supporters to vote for Khan, especially in the inner suburbs, the Conservatives will have a real fight. Oddly enough, we could have the 2020 Mayoral Election on General Election day but that's a long way down the road.
As the Evening Standard pointed out, both Labour and Conservative candidates are opposed to Heathrow expansion which will be interesting given the apparent direction in Government policy. Would a pro-expansion candidate have a chance ? Perhaps not but it would be interesting to see such a candidate argue the case for expanding Heathrow against, for example, the currently heavily publicised option of expanding Gatwick.
Over my side of town, the pro-Heathrow argument would have a better hearing and proponents of Heathrow argue airport expansion would provide a huge boost to the area.
Shows how well you know me! I would have voted for Jowell over Zac because she supports Heathrow expansion. I would definitely not have actively campaigned against her, though I don't think I would have gone out of my way to campaign for her.
Just can't believe London Labour have turned down Tessa Jowell as mayoral candidate. At a time like this you can't afford to turn down a sure-fire election victory, which is what Jowell would have provided the party next year.
He's got an appalling temper. Hates being challenged or scrutnized as he's never been challenged or scrutinized.
So, to add to the terrorist supporting, ISIS loving, IRA hugging, Bin Laden adoring, Chavez worshipping, quasi-Trotskyism... plus the chronic disloyalty, weird family life, hypocrite spouse and voodoo economics... he is actually not even that nice as a person, despite the claims, indeed he'd a bit of a ticking eggshell-personality time bomb. Bravo, Labour. Bravo. They found possibly the single worst man to lead the party out of the entire male population of Great Britain.
I wonder if Cameron should simply cut to the chase and call him out as a traitor. He is.
No. Tories just need to work out which buttons to press to send him seismic. And then quietly press them. I do think there is a lot in SeanT's analysis. Boris even now I think and Cameron when in opposition all managed to cycle their way through the press cameras without howling mobs clearing the way.
I worked in Merthyr for six years, for arguably the best magazine printing company in the UK. It's 20 mins from the Cardiff M4, the people are hard as feck but will give you their last penny, nights out are intimidating but fabulously memorable and the place is scenic, laid back and great fun.
It's also benefited this past 10 years from serious EU investment. I'd live there; no problem.
It's not a shithole like (most of ) Birmingham or Liverpool or parts of London. It's not crassly ignorant and unfriendly like London either.
And this erroneous idea that there are no immigrants in the Valleys??!! Come on guys, my six year old is in a class with an India, a Lithuanian, a Sri Lankan, a couple of black kids. The valleys are far more mixed than say Butetown in Cardiff where 99% of the class is Somalian.
I plucked Merthyr out as a representative town in the Valleys most on PB will have heard of. Nothing against it per se. Of course there are immigrants in S Wales but compared to UK averages (let alone London) it's had far less immigration.
I was more confounded by Pink Roses comments, not yours ☺
SNP: Corbyn's politics are a step back towards lost Labour voters in Scotland and they won't simply be able to just say "progressive" and "anti austerity" all the time to win votes. There'll be no more easy moments for them like the welfare or budget responsibility bill.
Not remotely.
The reaction to Corbyn by the London Media and the English Electorate (if he even gets to face an electoral test) will simply entrench the left in Scotland in their belief in Independence. When Corbyn is electorally humiliated or, more likely, extricated from his leadership by a Labour coup, it will only enhance the SNP's position.
Corbyn is the best possible outcome for the SNP and Scottish Independence.
Eh no, Corbyn will at least finally end the 'Red Tories' cry of the cybernats, which will be a bit difficult to apply when he is even more leftwing than Sturgeon. He may not smash the SNP, but the SNP have said Corbyn is the candidate they least want to win the Labour leadership for a reason
The reason has to do with the power to oppose in Westminster and with a labour party split asunder for years there will be no coherent opposition to the conservatives
The Scotland Bill will be passed shortly and whatever constitutes a 'coherent' opposition to the conservatives, which I agree is not Corbyn, will make little difference in Scotland
You really don;t get it.
The lack of coherent opposition and more importantly a potential alternative to the Tories, will simply force the 85% of the Scottish population who never vote Tory to consider the only alternative to them - Independence.
This is almost certainly why Yes is now firmly and significantly ahead in Scotland and why it has taken to long after the First Referendum to get there.
I know there's some very knowledgeable rugby fans on PB and a few Welsh Rugby fans too, so who is going to win the Webb Ellis Cup?
1. All Blacks 2. England 3. Australia 4. Wales/Ireland 5. South Africa 6. France 7. Samoa
I'd rate their chances in that order. Whichever of Wales, Oz or England wins their group has a great chance.
I think SA will struggle.
The All Blacks will be tough to beat. But England at home will be a formidable proposition for anyone.
Wales, sadly, are in a cruel group and we have to play England at Twickenham. It's very tough for us and the loss of Rhys Webb is a killer blow. But I have hope. Senseless, pissed, optimistic Welsh hope.
Just think, none of this would be happening without Red Ed's barmy election system...
Ed Miliband really is the gift that keeps on giving...
Khan won with members alone it seems, Corbyn may well have done so too, though more narrowly than affiliates and registered supporters
Though that's with members signing up for months after the election started. Normal ballot rules are that you must be a member before the election in which case Jowell would almost certainly have won.
Re Shadow Cabinet members not willing to serve under Corbyn, assuming it is quite possibly a 'jump before they are pushed' sort of situation, is that better or worse for preserving party unity? I mean, there seems to be an acceptance even among most of the losers that Corbyn, if he wins, will need time to have a fair go of things and be given an opportunity to be seen to fail, without overt maneuvering against him. But a dozen Shadow Cabinet members, even admittedly mostly non-entities, refusing to serve under him is an admission from the start that they have fundamental problems with his leadership. Would it be better, for the party, for them not to say they won't serve, but to allow for Corbyn to just not pick them, so they cannot be accused later of not having given him a chance, while also avoiding the accusation from Tories that they served under Corbyn?
I know there's some very knowledgeable rugby fans on PB and a few Welsh Rugby fans too, so who is going to win the Webb Ellis Cup?
1. All Blacks 2. England 3. Australia 4. Wales/Ireland 5. South Africa 6. France 7. Samoa
I'd rate their chances in that order. Whichever of Wales, Oz or England wins their group has a great chance.
I think SA will struggle.
The All Blacks will be tough to beat. But England at home will be a formidable proposition for anyone.
Wales, sadly, are in a cruel group and we have to play England at Twickenham. It's very tough for us and the loss of Rhys Webb is a killer blow. But I have hope. Senseless, pissed, optimistic Welsh hope.
Pinkrose so how do we suddenly provide the 300,000houses..and what about the homeless we already have..Instead of criticisng why not make some sensible practical suggestions....maybe start with the accommodation problem I
The North of England, Wales and Scotland has a lot of spare capacity and cheap housing. The Syrian refugees would invigorate many run down areas & communities but i also support a major house building programme to address not only future immigration but the already homeless and those housed in temporary accommodation,B&B's etc.
Have you ever even been to the S Wales Valleys? They'll be looking forward to their cultural invigoration with an unparalleled relish I'm sure. I can see it all now(!)
All the evidence shows that more diverse communities are more pro immigration and those areas that have very very few immigrants are the most hostile. Maybe the South Wales Valleys need to become more diverse.
Communities full of immigrants are in favour of immigration. Who'd have thunk it? Have you ever been to Wales?
I worked in Merthyr for six years, for arguably the best magazine printing company in the UK. It's 20 mins from the Cardiff M4, the people are hard as feck but will give you their last penny, nights out are intimidating but fabulously memorable and the place is scenic, laid back and great fun.
It's also benefited this past 10 years from serious EU investment. I'd live there; no problem.
It's not a shithole like (most of ) Birmingham or Liverpool or parts of London. It's not crassly ignorant and unfriendly like London either.
And this erroneous idea that there are no immigrants in the Valleys??!! Come on guys, my six year old is in a class with an India, a Lithuanian, a Sri Lankan, a couple of black kids. The valleys are far more mixed than say Butetown in Cardiff where 99% of the class is Somalian.
The local constituency is 95% white British and 98% white overall.
I worked in Merthyr for six years, for arguably the best magazine printing company in the UK. It's 20 mins from the Cardiff M4, the people are hard as feck but will give you their last penny, nights out are intimidating but fabulously memorable and the place is scenic, laid back and great fun.
It's also benefited this past 10 years from serious EU investment. I'd live there; no problem.
It's not a shithole like (most of ) Birmingham or Liverpool or parts of London. It's not crassly ignorant and unfriendly like London either.
And this erroneous idea that there are no immigrants in the Valleys??!! Come on guys, my six year old is in a class with an India, a Lithuanian, a Sri Lankan, a couple of black kids. The valleys are far more mixed than say Butetown in Cardiff where 99% of the class is Somalian.
I plucked Merthyr out as a representative town in the Valleys most on PB will have heard of. Nothing against it per se. Of course there are immigrants in S Wales but compared to UK averages (let alone London) it's had far less immigration.
I was more confounded by Pink Roses comments, not yours ☺
SNP: Corbyn's politics are a step back towards lost Labour voters in Scotland and they won't simply be able to just say "progressive" and "anti austerity" all the time to win votes. There'll be no more easy moments for them like the welfare or budget responsibility bill.
Not remotely.
The reaction to Corbyn by the London Media and the English Electorate (if he even gets to face an electoral test) will simply entrench the left in Scotland in their belief in Independence. When Corbyn is electorally humiliated or, more likely, extricated from his leadership by a Labour coup, it will only enhance the SNP's position.
Corbyn is the best possible outcome for the SNP and Scottish Independence.
Eh no, Corbyn will at least finally end the 'Red Tories' cry of the cybernats, which will be a bit difficult to apply when he is even more leftwing than Sturgeon. He may not smash the SNP, but the SNP have said Corbyn is the candidate they least want to win the Labour leadership for a reason
The reason has to do with the power to oppose in Westminster and with a labour party split asunder for years there will be no coherent opposition to the conservatives
The Scotland Bill will be passed shortly and whatever constitutes a 'coherent' opposition to the conservatives, which I agree is not Corbyn, will make little difference in Scotland
You really don;t get it.
The lack of coherent opposition and more importantly a potential alternative to the Tories, will simply force the 85% of the Scottish population who never vote Tory to consider the only alternative to them - Independence.
This is almost certainly why Yes is now firmly and significantly ahead in Scotland and why it has taken to long after the First Referendum to get there.
Yet several polls since the election have still showed No ahead even despite the Tory majority and even if Yes have led in 2 recent polls the surprise is they did not lead in every poll since the election. Yes was of course ahead in a poll 2 weeks before indyref and lost by 10%
Just can't believe London Labour have turned down Tessa Jowell as mayoral candidate. At a time like this you can't afford to turn down a sure-fire election victory, which is what Jowell would have provided the party next year.
How could anyone put an electoral victory over a chance to see the headline "Jowells of Rage".
It shows how far the Sun has sunk that this is not their front page.
I havent posted on here since the general election. Amused to see the ability to do so is still on a par wirh mr smithsons abilty to see the result of a general election. Anyways i love Jeremy no labour government for the next ten years. Three pounds well spent.
He's got an appalling temper. Hates being challenged or scrutnized as he's never been challenged or scrutinized.
So, to add to the terrorist supporting, ISIS loving, IRA hugging, Bin Laden adoring, Chavez worshipping, quasi-Trotskyism... plus the chronic disloyalty, weird family life, hypocrite spouse and voodoo economics... he is actually not even that nice as a person, despite the claims, indeed he'd a bit of a ticking eggshell-personality time bomb.
Bravo, Labour. Bravo. They found possibly the single worst man to lead the party out of the entire male population of Great Britain.
I wonder if Cameron should simply cut to the chase and call him out as a traitor.
He is.
Well you can put me in the Leave camp tonight.
From the Times
George Osborne will be told that the European Union treaty change he wants to protect the City of London from eurozone interference will not be ready before a British referendum.
Mr Osborne is concerned that the eurozone’s in-built majority in the EU can jeopardise the economic interests of the City, Britain and other non-euro countries, which are sometimes absent when important decisions are taken.
I know there's some very knowledgeable rugby fans on PB and a few Welsh Rugby fans too, so who is going to win the Webb Ellis Cup?
1. All Blacks 2. England 3. Australia 4. Wales/Ireland 5. South Africa 6. France 7. Samoa
I'd rate their chances in that order. Whichever of Wales, Oz or England wins their group has a great chance.
I think SA will struggle.
The All Blacks will be tough to beat. But England at home will be a formidable proposition for anyone.
Wales, sadly, are in a cruel group and we have to play England at Twickenham. It's very tough for us and the loss of Rhys Webb is a killer blow. But I have hope. Senseless, pissed, optimistic Welsh hope.
Where are you in Wales?
Ystrad Mynach
Ah yes I remember. Think we worked out you are about 13 miles due North of me.
I worked in Merthyr for six years, for arguably the best magazine printing company in the UK. It's 20 mins from the Cardiff M4, the people are hard as feck but will give you their last penny, nights out are intimidating but fabulously memorable and the place is scenic, laid back and great fun.
It's also benefited this past 10 years from serious EU investment. I'd live there; no problem.
It's not a shithole like (most of ) Birmingham or Liverpool or parts of London. It's not crassly ignorant and unfriendly like London either.
And this erroneous idea that there are no immigrants in the Valleys??!! Come on guys, my six year old is in a class with an India, a Lithuanian, a Sri Lankan, a couple of black kids. The valleys are far more mixed than say Butetown in Cardiff where 99% of the class is Somalian.
The local constituency is 95% white British and 98% white overall.
Just think, none of this would be happening without Red Ed's barmy election system...
Ed Miliband really is the gift that keeps on giving...
Khan won with members alone it seems, Corbyn may well have done so too, though more narrowly than affiliates and registered supporters
Though that's with members signing up for months after the election started. Normal ballot rules are that you must be a member before the election in which case Jowell would almost certainly have won.
Difficult to be certain of that either given the size of Khan's lead, the Labour membership moved left under Ed Miliband. In a similar way the Tory membership moved right under Hague which helped elect IDS
I worked in Merthyr for six years, for arguably the best magazine printing company in the UK. It's 20 mins from the Cardiff M4, the people are hard as feck but will give you their last penny, nights out are intimidating but fabulously memorable and the place is scenic, laid back and great fun.
It's also benefited this past 10 years from serious EU investment. I'd live there; no problem.
It's not a shithole like (most of ) Birmingham or Liverpool or parts of London. It's not crassly ignorant and unfriendly like London either.
And this erroneous idea that there are no immigrants in the Valleys??!! Come on guys, my six year old is in a class with an India, a Lithuanian, a Sri Lankan, a couple of black kids. The valleys are far more mixed than say Butetown in Cardiff where 99% of the class is Somalian.
The local constituency is 95% white British and 98% white overall.
I'm surprised at that. I thought the white population would be high but not that high, especially with a big hospital up there with so many Asian nurses etc.
I live nearer Cardiff so immigrants settling here are more prevalent. Ystrad Mynach (a former pit village) is actually now a relatively thriving commuter town.
SNP: Corbyn's politics are a step back towards lost Labour voters in Scotland and they won't simply be able to just say "progressive" and "anti austerity" all the time to win votes. There'll be no more easy moments for them like the welfare or budget responsibility bill.
Not remotely.
The reaction to Corbyn by the London Media and the English Electorate (if he even gets to face an electoral test) will simply entrench the left in Scotland in their belief in Independence. When Corbyn is electorally humiliated or, more likely, extricated from his leadership by a Labour coup, it will only enhance the SNP's position.
Corbyn is the best possible outcome for the SNP and Scottish Independence.
Eh no, Corbyn will at least finally end the 'Red Tories' cry of the cybernats, which will be a bit difficult to apply when he is even more leftwing than Sturgeon. He may not smash the SNP, but the SNP have said Corbyn is the candidate they least want to win the Labour leadership for a reason
The reason has to do with the power to oppose in Westminster and with a labour party split asunder for years there will be no coherent opposition to the conservatives
The Scotland Bill will be passed shortly and whatever constitutes a 'coherent' opposition to the conservatives, which I agree is not Corbyn, will make little difference in Scotland
You really don;t get it.
The lack of coherent opposition and more importantly a potential alternative to the Tories, will simply force the 85% of the Scottish population who never vote Tory to consider the only alternative to them - Independence.
This is almost certainly why Yes is now firmly and significantly ahead in Scotland and why it has taken to long after the First Referendum to get there.
"the 85% of the Scottish population who never vote Tory to consider the only alternative to them - Independence"
(Worse than subtle wrath of Khan pun I used today)
Oh, was there a Khan pun in one of your articles? Don't think anyone noticed.
David Herdson's next thread, honestly you're going to think I wrote it.
Bad punctuation?
You really need to stop your unhealthy obsession with me, I fear you're going to all Anders Brevik very soon
It's nothing personal, I just find your thread headers almost unreadable. Maybe you could ask someone who knows how to write properly to proof read them?
I know there's some very knowledgeable rugby fans on PB and a few Welsh Rugby fans too, so who is going to win the Webb Ellis Cup?
1. All Blacks 2. England 3. Australia 4. Wales/Ireland 5. South Africa 6. France 7. Samoa
I'd rate their chances in that order. Whichever of Wales, Oz or England wins their group has a great chance.
I think SA will struggle.
The All Blacks will be tough to beat. But England at home will be a formidable proposition for anyone.
Wales, sadly, are in a cruel group and we have to play England at Twickenham. It's very tough for us and the loss of Rhys Webb is a killer blow. But I have hope. Senseless, pissed, optimistic Welsh hope.
Where are you in Wales?
Ystrad Mynach
Ah yes I remember. Think we worked out you are about 13 miles due North of me.
I walked the dog and the kids round Cefn Onn Park the other day and stopped off in Lisvane for some sweets. Anyone who thinks Wales is some hick backwater needs to visit Lisvane. Geez, the place looks stinking rich!
He's got an appalling temper. Hates being challenged or scrutnized as he's never been challenged or scrutinized.
So, to add to the terrorist supporting, ISIS loving, IRA hugging, Bin Laden adoring, Chavez worshipping, quasi-Trotskyism... plus the chronic disloyalty, weird family life, hypocrite spouse and voodoo economics... he is actually not even that nice as a person, despite the claims, indeed he'd a bit of a ticking eggshell-personality time bomb.
Bravo, Labour. Bravo. They found possibly the single worst man to lead the party out of the entire male population of Great Britain.
I wonder if Cameron should simply cut to the chase and call him out as a traitor.
He is.
Well you can put me in the Leave camp tonight.
From the Times
George Osborne will be told that the European Union treaty change he wants to protect the City of London from eurozone interference will not be ready before a British referendum.
Mr Osborne is concerned that the eurozone’s in-built majority in the EU can jeopardise the economic interests of the City, Britain and other non-euro countries, which are sometimes absent when important decisions are taken.
Welcome TSE.
I've concluded that the EU actually want us to leave.
He's got an appalling temper. Hates being challenged or scrutnized as he's never been challenged or scrutinized.
So, to add to the terrorist supporting, ISIS loving, IRA hugging, Bin Laden adoring, Chavez worshipping, quasi-Trotskyism... plus the chronic disloyalty, weird family life, hypocrite spouse and voodoo economics... he is actually not even that nice as a person, despite the claims, indeed he'd a bit of a ticking eggshell-personality time bomb.
Bravo, Labour. Bravo. They found possibly the single worst man to lead the party out of the entire male population of Great Britain.
I wonder if Cameron should simply cut to the chase and call him out as a traitor.
He is.
Well you can put me in the Leave camp tonight.
From the Times
George Osborne will be told that the European Union treaty change he wants to protect the City of London from eurozone interference will not be ready before a British referendum.
Mr Osborne is concerned that the eurozone’s in-built majority in the EU can jeopardise the economic interests of the City, Britain and other non-euro countries, which are sometimes absent when important decisions are taken.
He's got an appalling temper. Hates being challenged or scrutnized as he's never been challenged or scrutinized.
So, to add to the terrorist supporting, ISIS loving, IRA hugging, Bin Laden adoring, Chavez worshipping, quasi-Trotskyism... plus the chronic disloyalty, weird family life, hypocrite spouse and voodoo economics... he is actually not even that nice as a person, despite the claims, indeed he'd a bit of a ticking eggshell-personality time bomb.
Bravo, Labour. Bravo. They found possibly the single worst man to lead the party out of the entire male population of Great Britain.
I wonder if Cameron should simply cut to the chase and call him out as a traitor.
He is.
Well you can put me in the Leave camp tonight.
From the Times
George Osborne will be told that the European Union treaty change he wants to protect the City of London from eurozone interference will not be ready before a British referendum.
Mr Osborne is concerned that the eurozone’s in-built majority in the EU can jeopardise the economic interests of the City, Britain and other non-euro countries, which are sometimes absent when important decisions are taken.
There's a useful four-letter word, and the EU is full of it.
(Worse than subtle wrath of Khan pun I used today)
Oh, was there a Khan pun in one of your articles? Don't think anyone noticed.
David Herdson's next thread, honestly you're going to think I wrote it.
Bad punctuation?
You really need to stop your unhealthy obsession with me, I fear you're going to all Anders Brevik very soon
It's nothing personal, I just find your thread headers almost unreadable. Maybe you could ask someone who knows how to write properly to proof read them?
Well considering the likes of John Rentoul have praised my thread headers on a regular basis, I'm not sure whose comments I should listen more to, yours or John Rentoul's?
Just think, none of this would be happening without Red Ed's barmy election system...
Ed Miliband really is the gift that keeps on giving...
Khan won with members alone it seems, Corbyn may well have done so too, though more narrowly than affiliates and registered supporters
Though that's with members signing up for months after the election started. Normal ballot rules are that you must be a member before the election in which case Jowell would almost certainly have won.
Difficult to be certain of that either given the size of Khan's lead, the Labour membership moved left under Ed Miliband. In a similar way the Tory membership moved right under Hague which helped elect IDS
Not really that difficult to be certain. Khan won less than 51% of the vote for Members. It's estimated a third of members signed up after the election which are disproportionately for Corbyn ie Khan. It's highly unlikely that the less than 51% would have been a victory were it not for new Members.
He's got an appalling temper. Hates being challenged or scrutnized as he's never been challenged or scrutinized.
So, to add to the terrorist supporting, ISIS loving, IRA hugging, Bin Laden adoring, Chavez worshipping, quasi-Trotskyism... plus the chronic disloyalty, weird family life, hypocrite spouse and voodoo economics... he is actually not even that nice as a person, despite the claims, indeed he'd a bit of a ticking eggshell-personality time bomb.
Bravo, Labour. Bravo. They found possibly the single worst man to lead the party out of the entire male population of Great Britain.
I wonder if Cameron should simply cut to the chase and call him out as a traitor.
He is.
Well you can put me in the Leave camp tonight.
From the Times
George Osborne will be told that the European Union treaty change he wants to protect the City of London from eurozone interference will not be ready before a British referendum.
Mr Osborne is concerned that the eurozone’s in-built majority in the EU can jeopardise the economic interests of the City, Britain and other non-euro countries, which are sometimes absent when important decisions are taken.
Yes I'm leaning leave now for sure. They're going to have to have renegotiated something pretty whizz bang to convince me. I think Merkel's antics have pushed me right to the edge with one foot over.
He's got an appalling temper. Hates being challenged or scrutnized as he's never been challenged or scrutinized.
So, to add to the terrorist supporting, ISIS loving, IRA hugging, Bin Laden adoring, Chavez worshipping, quasi-Trotskyism... plus the chronic disloyalty, weird family life, hypocrite spouse and voodoo economics... he is actually not even that nice as a person, despite the claims, indeed he'd a bit of a ticking eggshell-personality time bomb.
Bravo, Labour. Bravo. They found possibly the single worst man to lead the party out of the entire male population of Great Britain.
I wonder if Cameron should simply cut to the chase and call him out as a traitor.
He is.
Well you can put me in the Leave camp tonight.
From the Times
George Osborne will be told that the European Union treaty change he wants to protect the City of London from eurozone interference will not be ready before a British referendum.
Mr Osborne is concerned that the eurozone’s in-built majority in the EU can jeopardise the economic interests of the City, Britain and other non-euro countries, which are sometimes absent when important decisions are taken.
Welcome TSE.
I've concluded that the EU actually want us to leave.
Dear Blairites it's not a done deal, the odds on Corbyn winning are about the same price as a hung parly was when the exit poll came out
Do you mean the hung parliament I was backing on Betfair just 20 minutes before the exit poll came out?
That hung parliament?
The hung parliament I was saying was free money up to election day. Yes that hung parliament.
Don't remind me. Talk about a close shave.
One PBer a few days before election day told me to take the 10/1 on a Tory majority, and I was like, I'd love that to happen, but I can't see that happening.
Yet several polls since the election have still showed No ahead even despite the Tory majority and even if Yes have led in 2 recent polls the surprise is they did not lead in every poll since the election. Yes was of course ahead in a poll 2 weeks before indyref and lost by 10%
One of the main reasons why polls are useful is to identify trends.
There is a clear and coherent trend of Independence Support rising in the last several weeks..
I'm arguing that Corbyn and Labour's implosion are making it very, very clear there is no alternative to Tory government over the whole of the UK and that will lead to higher Independence Support. NOT the Tories winning in May, but the absolute and clear lack of any alternative to Tories.
It is no wonder that it did not begin in May but has strengthened as the Labour meltdown becomes clearer and more apparent.
He's got an appalling temper. Hates being challenged or scrutnized as he's never been challenged or scrutinized.
So, to add to the terrorist supporting, ISIS loving, IRA hugging, Bin Laden adoring, Chavez worshipping, quasi-Trotskyism... plus the chronic disloyalty, weird family life, hypocrite spouse and voodoo economics... he is actually not even that nice as a person, despite the claims, indeed he'd a bit of a ticking eggshell-personality time bomb.
Bravo, Labour. Bravo. They found possibly the single worst man to lead the party out of the entire male population of Great Britain.
I wonder if Cameron should simply cut to the chase and call him out as a traitor.
He is.
Well you can put me in the Leave camp tonight.
From the Times
George Osborne will be told that the European Union treaty change he wants to protect the City of London from eurozone interference will not be ready before a British referendum.
Mr Osborne is concerned that the eurozone’s in-built majority in the EU can jeopardise the economic interests of the City, Britain and other non-euro countries, which are sometimes absent when important decisions are taken.
There's a useful four-letter word, and the EU is full of it.
The only thing that could persuade me to vote to stay is France wanting us to go.
He's got an appalling temper. Hates being challenged or scrutnized as he's never been challenged or scrutinized.
So, to add to the terrorist supporting, ISIS loving, IRA hugging, Bin Laden adoring, Chavez worshipping, quasi-Trotskyism... plus the chronic disloyalty, weird family life, hypocrite spouse and voodoo economics... he is actually not even that nice as a person, despite the claims, indeed he'd a bit of a ticking eggshell-personality time bomb.
Bravo, Labour. Bravo. They found possibly the single worst man to lead the party out of the entire male population of Great Britain.
I wonder if Cameron should simply cut to the chase and call him out as a traitor.
He is.
Well you can put me in the Leave camp tonight.
From the Times
George Osborne will be told that the European Union treaty change he wants to protect the City of London from eurozone interference will not be ready before a British referendum.
Mr Osborne is concerned that the eurozone’s in-built majority in the EU can jeopardise the economic interests of the City, Britain and other non-euro countries, which are sometimes absent when important decisions are taken.
There's a useful four-letter word, and the EU is full of it.
The only thing that could persuade me to vote to stay is France wanting us to go.
There are plenty of other ways to annoy the French.
I mean, think how we could irritate their farmers once we're no longer in the CAP.
(Worse than subtle wrath of Khan pun I used today)
Oh, was there a Khan pun in one of your articles? Don't think anyone noticed.
David Herdson's next thread, honestly you're going to think I wrote it.
Bad punctuation?
You really need to stop your unhealthy obsession with me, I fear you're going to all Anders Brevik very soon
It's nothing personal, I just find your thread headers almost unreadable. Maybe you could ask someone who knows how to write properly to proof read them?
Well considering the likes of John Rentoul have praised my thread headers on a regular basis, I'm not sure whose comments I should listen more to, yours or John Rentoul's?
Just think, none of this would be happening without Red Ed's barmy election system...
Ed Miliband really is the gift that keeps on giving...
Khan won with members alone it seems, Corbyn may well have done so too, though more narrowly than affiliates and registered supporters
Though that's with members signing up for months after the election started. Normal ballot rules are that you must be a member before the election in which case Jowell would almost certainly have won.
Difficult to be certain of that either given the size of Khan's lead, the Labour membership moved left under Ed Miliband. In a similar way the Tory membership moved right under Hague which helped elect IDS
Not really that difficult to be certain. Khan won less than 51% of the vote for Members. It's estimated a third of members signed up after the election which are disproportionately for Corbyn ie Khan. It's highly unlikely that the less than 51% would have been a victory were it not for new Members.
I have not seen any breakdown which gives the exact membership figures and the size of his victory means it is likely he would have won them too. You also cannot be sure how the preferences of new members would have gone, the most leftwing new joiners were affiliates and registered supporters
Yet several polls since the election have still showed No ahead even despite the Tory majority and even if Yes have led in 2 recent polls the surprise is they did not lead in every poll since the election. Yes was of course ahead in a poll 2 weeks before indyref and lost by 10%
One of the main reasons why polls are useful is to identify trends.
There is a clear and coherent trend of Independence Support rising in the last several weeks..
I'm arguing that Corbyn and Labour's implosion are making it very, very clear there is no alternative to Tory government over the whole of the UK and that will lead to higher Independence Support. NOT the Tories winning in May, but the absolute and clear lack of any alternative to Tories.
It is no wonder that it did not begin in May but has strengthened as the Labour meltdown becomes clearer and more apparent.
You cannot be sure of that at all. The election of Jeremy Corbyn will have zero impact on Scottish independence except to see perhaps a slight revival of SLAB in the Central Belt. The only thing which will really advance independence in the next few years is a vote for Brexit in EUref
Judging by Newsnight tonight, Jeremy Paxman has an heir. Superbly punchy TV.
Quite good stuff but the tough presenter lost the thread. It is not just war crimes - which war is free of war crimes ? - but the unusual scenario that the side we support might eventually be helping our greatest foe. Just like in Syria...
2 years ago we wanted to bomb Assad and help..........ISIL. Now we want to bomb IS to help.....Assad or Al Nusra.
Those who think this will help the FSA do not know the situation. It is very difficult to help an "army" sleeping in 5-star hotels in Istanbul, 1000 kms away.
Back to Yemen, we are finishing off the Houthi. Great. And AQAP will fill the vacuum because no Saudi foot soldiers will go there.
The Pakistanis who have been paid a retainer for 40 years precisely for the defence of Saudi Arabia refused to attack another Muslim country must to the chagrin of the Emiratis and the Saudis.
The results in Edinburgh and Midlothian yesterday showed Labour to SNP swings of 7 and 6% respectively since 2012. I am pretty confident that the swings last May were higher in both areas - in relation to 2012.
Grasping straws comes to mind
Check the figures for yourself!
Still grasping at straws - no way are labour coming back in Scotland - the SNP have taken over their ground just as the Conservatives have in England
Really ? In England Labour did not do that badly in 2015 - better than 2010 - 1992 - 1987 - 1983 - 1979 and 1959!
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I worked in Merthyr for six years, for arguably the best magazine printing company in the UK. It's 20 mins from the Cardiff M4, the people are hard as feck but will give you their last penny, nights out are intimidating but fabulously memorable and the place is scenic, laid back and great fun.
It's also benefited this past 10 years from serious EU investment.
I'd live there; no problem.
It's not a shithole like (most of ) Birmingham or Liverpool or parts of London. It's not crassly ignorant and unfriendly like London either.
And this erroneous idea that there are no immigrants in the Valleys??!! Come on guys, my six year old is in a class with an India, a Lithuanian, a Sri Lankan, a couple of black kids. The valleys are far more mixed than say Butetown in Cardiff where 99% of the class is Somalian.
All I can say SO, is look on the bright side – it will all be over in about 5 years or so.
Why should my kids suffer because of the colour of their skin?
I know there's some very knowledgeable rugby fans on PB and a few Welsh Rugby fans too, so who is going to win the Webb Ellis Cup?
A splendid victory for Democratic Socialism!
But let's see more of Mr Corbyn as a poster boy for the Morning Star.
Ed Miliband really is the gift that keeps on giving...
2. England
3. Australia
4. Wales/Ireland
5. South Africa
6. France
7. Samoa
I'd rate their chances in that order. Whichever of Wales, Oz or England wins their group has a great chance.
I think SA will struggle.
The All Blacks will be tough to beat. But England at home will be a formidable proposition for anyone.
Wales, sadly, are in a cruel group and we have to play England at Twickenham. It's very tough for us and the loss of Rhys Webb is a killer blow. But I have hope. Senseless, pissed, optimistic Welsh hope.
Not only are they thrillingly good, they are mega experienced too.
Oh.
I do think there is a lot in SeanT's analysis. Boris even now I think and Cameron when in opposition all managed to cycle their way through the press cameras without howling mobs clearing the way.
The lack of coherent opposition and more importantly a potential alternative to the Tories, will simply force the 85% of the Scottish population who never vote Tory to consider the only alternative to them - Independence.
This is almost certainly why Yes is now firmly and significantly ahead in Scotland and why it has taken to long after the First Referendum to get there.
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/2015guide/merthyrtydfilandrhymney/
It shows how far the Sun has sunk that this is not their front page.
Anyways i love Jeremy no labour government for the next ten years. Three pounds well spent.
That hung parliament?
Rick Perry drops out.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/rick-perry-drops-2016-presidential-race/story?id=33696891
From the Times
George Osborne will be told that the European Union treaty change he wants to protect the City of London from eurozone interference will not be ready before a British referendum.
Mr Osborne is concerned that the eurozone’s in-built majority in the EU can jeopardise the economic interests of the City, Britain and other non-euro countries, which are sometimes absent when important decisions are taken.
I live nearer Cardiff so immigrants settling here are more prevalent. Ystrad Mynach (a former pit village) is actually now a relatively thriving commuter town.
We can but hope.
I've concluded that the EU actually want us to leave.
Rule Britannia.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3230499/I-voted-Britain-LEAVE-Europe-Corbyn-admits.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11644904/A-vision-of-Britain-outside-the-EU-confident-successful-and-free.html
Fortunately I was balls deep on Tory most seats.
There is a clear and coherent trend of Independence Support rising in the last several weeks..
I'm arguing that Corbyn and Labour's implosion are making it very, very clear there is no alternative to Tory government over the whole of the UK and that will lead to higher Independence Support. NOT the Tories winning in May, but the absolute and clear lack of any alternative to Tories.
It is no wonder that it did not begin in May but has strengthened as the Labour meltdown becomes clearer and more apparent.
New Thread New Thread
I mean, think how we could irritate their farmers once we're no longer in the CAP.
http://orwell.ru/library/essays/politics/english/e_polit
2 years ago we wanted to bomb Assad and help..........ISIL. Now we want to bomb IS to help.....Assad or Al Nusra.
Those who think this will help the FSA do not know the situation. It is very difficult to help an "army" sleeping in 5-star hotels in Istanbul, 1000 kms away.
Back to Yemen, we are finishing off the Houthi. Great. And AQAP will fill the vacuum because no Saudi foot soldiers will go there.
The Pakistanis who have been paid a retainer for 40 years precisely for the defence of Saudi Arabia refused to attack another Muslim country must to the chagrin of the Emiratis and the Saudis.
How repellent!
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