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Just ask Lynton Crosby. Winning the London mayoralty is all about getting your own supporters out to vote in an an election that has struggled in the past to attract turnout levels of more than 40%.
It does seem like because people feel Khan is benefiting from new entries being more likely to back him, like Corbyn, they think he will be as poor as Corbyn is predicted to be, but though he can be divisive, it does seem like he is not as divisive as people think, and he does benefit elsewhere, as well as being generally credible* given the time in the public eye he's had.
One of the main problems for Labour in the last couple of mayoral elections is that the two main planks of Labour's London core vote (the young and ethnic minorities) are notoriously hard to get out to vote for anything less than a general election. But more Muslims might be enthused for Khan, especially if the Tory campaign goes down the track of some of the more unpleasant undertones of PBers' comments about Khan today.
This focus on Labour "needing to win the Tory suburbs" is a red herring in a proportional system -- if they do a better job of maximising turnout in their inner London heartlands, they win.
So he does have some level of competence if he realises Corbyn is a loser; yet must have made a few enemies in the PLP by his nomination pushing Corbyn over the line.
This is going to be a very entertaining Party Conference season!
This focus on Labour "needing to win the Tory suburbs" is a red herring in a proportional system -- if they do a better job of maximising their vote in their inner London heartlands, they win.
The opposite tactic that they need to win a GE, how ironic.
@bbcnickrobinson: .@jeremycorbyn can write victor's speech tonight. Votes for London mayor candidate show £3 members rejecting Blairite by almost 3 to 1
danny 565..most of the comments today about Khan were reflecting his speeches and relating his actions.. if you find that unpleasant it is because they were .. and posters were right to say so
Because of its big lead in the inner city London leans Labour so of course Khan has a chance, but there is no doubt Jowell was the candidate the Tories feared and the only one who could have been competitive in outer London. If Khan is to win he will need a big lead and turnout in inner London
I'm reading the Survation polling as Asians being prepared to admit voting "positively" on race/religion grounds, but others not being prepared to admit the opposite: in fact, in the case of white respondents, perhaps protesting too much. I don't know enough about the dynamics to speculate as to the black respondents (it might just be the quirks of a particular sample in any case).
We should get some straight Khan v Goldsmith polling soon, I guess.
One of the main problems for Labour in the last couple of mayoral elections is that the two main planks of Labour's London core vote (the young and ethnic minorities) are notoriously hard to get out to vote for anything less than a general election. But more Muslims might be enthused for Khan, especially if the Tory campaign goes down the track of some of the more unpleasant undertones of PBers' comments about Khan today.
This focus on Labour "needing to win the Tory suburbs" is a red herring in a proportional system -- if they do a better job of maximising turnout in their inner London heartlands, they win.
You can be sure that the Tories will do a very good job in maximising turnout in their doughnut heartlands.
Ironically though a Khan defeat would help anti Corbynites more than a Jowell win as it would mean Corbyn had suffered an electoral blow in only his first year as leader, a Labour lead in the Assembly and a better than expected performance in the locals and Scotland and Wales could help him ease the blow, but it would be the first bullet in the gun of those trying to orchestrate his political assassination
Khans ethnic quota policy will no doubt be challenged in the courts..and will show Labour in a bad light yet again.. It would not surprise me if one of the Unions did not challenge him.
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A few general thoughts re: "Corbynistas" and Labour.
It's becoming clear that the right of Labour saw the "union vote" as a bloc vote, when it was really a reflection of a large amount of genuine left-wing grassroots Labour voters. Progress etc were able to diminished the unions but not the union members, unintentionally empowering the silent majority of traditional Labour supporters with a voice, power and prominence. In hindsight, it was clear there was hubristic and dismissive attitude among much of "New Labour" about left-wing voters, believing that more open primaries would inevitably lead to more right-wing candidates, not understanding that it would attract the people who they have been pushing away.
The election has also demonstrated that there is a vast disconnect between the PLP and much of the Labour voter base, with Labour drifting way too far to the right for the tastes of many of its supporters. This was clearly bubbling beneath the surface and something eventually had to give, and perhaps this is just the start of a broader shift in the Labour party (I've ran out of metaphors to mix).
Hope I'm wrong, but the London Mayoral has the makings of a significantly divisive religious contest. How much of Labour's north London Jewish vote is going to vote for Khan? Or its west London's Hindu base? Or even the West African Christian vote?
I just can't see how getting a few Muslim Tories to switch over counter-acts those potential losses, if it does acquire a religious aspect.
If ISIS slips through our intelligence net and commits a spectacular in the capital before the Mayoral, I can't see how he stops some of that attaching to him. It only needs one of his activists to say something supportive of ISIS on Facebook or Twitter in response - and he will be pedaling backwards in ever decreasing circles.
Yeah I can see Khan winning. But his fellow travelling with Islamists and Islamism, his anti white racial quotas, and so forth, will just introduce more poison into the Labour body politic. What is popular in London might look ghastly everywhere else.
I suspect Labour are about to haemorrhage votes to UKIP.
Fascinating polling from Lord Ashcroft. Labour are losing loyal voters to UKIP and to a lesser extent the Tories.
Yeah I can see Khan winning. But his fellow travelling with Islamists and Islamism, his anti white racial quotas, and so forth, will just introduce more poison into the Labour body politic. What is popular in London might look ghastly everywhere else.
I suspect Labour are about to haemorrhage votes to UKIP.
What is popular in London might look ghastly everywhere else. And of course, with the media being so very London-centric, what is happening in London gets well advertised all around the country.
Yeah I can see Khan winning. But his fellow travelling with Islamists and Islamism, his anti white racial quotas, and so forth, will just introduce more poison into the Labour body politic. What is popular in London might look ghastly everywhere else.
I suspect Labour are about to haemorrhage votes to UKIP.
What is popular in London might look ghastly everywhere else. And of course, with the media being so very London-centric, what is happening in London gets well advertised all around the country.
Inner London yes, the Tories actually won outer London at the election
Hope I'm wrong, but the London Mayoral has the makings of a significantly divisive religious contest. How much of Labour's north London Jewish vote is going to vote for Khan? Or its west London's Hindu base? Or even the West African Christian vote?
I just can't see how getting a few Muslim Tories to switch over counter-acts those potential losses, if it does acquire a religious aspect.
If ISIS slips through our intelligence net and commits a spectacular in the capital before the Mayoral, I can't see how he stops some of that attaching to him. It only needs one of his activists to say something supportive of ISIS on Facebook or Twitter in response - and he will be pedaling backwards in ever decreasing circles.
Let us not forget Sadiq Khan's childhood friend Babar Ahmad, a convicted terrorist.
danny 565..most of the comments today about Khan were reflecting his speeches and relating his actions.. if you find that unpleasant it is because they were .. and posters were right to say so
Labour will always, always play the racist card. It's in their nature and their time honoured way of shutting down debate. Prepare for more of the same.
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Interesting article on Biden from politico.com - for me the key piece is that in the latest poll Biden leads in 2nd preferences. Seen as an AV contest, that would give him a reasonable chance of winning the nod.
With Hillary's lead tumbling (completely lost in NH and Iowa) nationally, and the three most common unprompted words offered to describe her as 'liar', 'dishonest' and 'untrustworthy', the political space for a Biden entry is getting ever bigger.
I would not be surprised if some Blairites would rather Goldsmith and Cameron won than Khan and Corbyn
I'm fairly sure that's the outcome preferred by T Blair himself. He would consider it a disaster for Labour AND the country if Labour won under Corbyn.
I expect many of the Blairites to spend the Corbyn years making some money and staying away from the frontline of politics other than to occasionally plot his overthrow, much as Tory modernisers and Europhiles did in the IDS years, Heseltine, Clarke, Portillo and Maude certainly were more favourable towards Blair than IDS
Hope I'm wrong, but the London Mayoral has the makings of a significantly divisive religious contest. How much of Labour's north London Jewish vote is going to vote for Khan? Or its west London's Hindu base? Or even the West African Christian vote? I just can't see how getting a few Muslim Tories to switch over counter-acts those potential losses, if it does acquire a religious aspect. If ISIS slips through our intelligence net and commits a spectacular in the capital before the Mayoral, I can't see how he stops some of that attaching to him. It only needs one of his activists to say something supportive of ISIS on Facebook or Twitter in response - and he will be pedaling backwards in ever decreasing circles.
Yes hopefully wrong. Khan will no doubt want to smooth over what would appear to be his defamatory past. Goldsmith of course must be hoping to bring something positive himself to the contest. But its the New Model Socialist Labour Party £3 activists not just their candidate who will possibly turn off the collection of voters you refer to.
I'm happy that Sadiq won.Tessa Jowell was at the excessive end of careerist politicians. So go Sadiq- I think he'll win quite comfortably. Damn not taking that Henry tip
Interesting article on Biden from politico.com - for me the key piece is that in the latest poll Biden leads in 2nd preferences. Seen as an AV contest, that would give him a reasonable chance of winning the nod.
With Hillary's lead tumbling (completely lost in NH and Iowa) nationally, and the three most common unprompted words offered to describe her as 'liar', 'dishonest' and 'untrustworthy', the political space for a Biden entry is getting ever bigger.
Biden may well wait until January to announce, by then any fatally damaging info from the emails should most likely have come out and he will be able to enter the Iowa caucuses and also still have time to file for a substantial amount of primaries
What i dont understand about this "quota system" proposed by Juncker and being pushed by Merkel is this, how is the EU going to make sure those dispersed to say Slovakia actually STAY in Slovakia? Free movement is a fundamental principle of being an EU citizen, guest worker, accepted refugee etc. We cannot have 2nd class citizens, everyone should have the same rights, including the freedom to live and work wherever in the Euopean Union you want. Maybe im missing something, can anyone explain?
Personally i think Britain is missing out, the majority of the Syrians arriving in Europe are highly educated, mobile, middle class who will im sure be economically beneficial. I would have no problem with similar numbers to Germany being taken in by us, as long as housing and other infrastructure and services were provided. The Muslim population of Britain is dominated by those of Pakistani & Bengali heritage with a small but growing Somali population, allowing a large number of Syrians (500,000+) would actually diversify the population and break the dominance of those either from the Indian sub continent or with that heritage.
Khan will likely win, and I suggest the Tories start aiming their ludicrously hubristic gloating elsewhere for fear of starting to look very foolish much sooner than might otherwise be expected.
What i dont understand about this "quota system" proposed by Juncker and being pushed by Merkel is this, how is the EU going to make sure those dispersed to say Slovakia actually STAY in Slovakia? Free movement is a fundamental principle of being an EU citizen, guest worker, accepted refugee etc. We cannot have 2nd class citizens, everyone should have the same rights, including the freedom to live and work wherever in the Euopean Union you want. Maybe im missing something, can anyone explain?
Personally i think Britain is missing out, the majority of the Syrians arriving in Europe are highly educated, mobile, middle class who will im sure be economically beneficial. I would have no problem with similar numbers to Germany being taken in by us, as long as housing and other infrastructure and services were provided. The Muslim population of Britain is dominated by those of Pakistani & Bengali heritage with a small but growing Somali population, allowing a large number of Syrians (500,000+) would actually diversify the population and break the dominance of those either from the Indian sub continent or with that heritage.
What i dont understand about this "quota system" proposed by Juncker and being pushed by Merkel is this, how is the EU going to make sure those dispersed to say Slovakia actually STAY in Slovakia? Free movement is a fundamental principle of being an EU citizen, guest worker, accepted refugee etc. We cannot have 2nd class citizens, everyone should have the same rights, including the freedom to live and work wherever in the Euopean Union you want. Maybe im missing something, can anyone explain?
Personally i think Britain is missing out, the majority of the Syrians arriving in Europe are highly educated, mobile, middle class who will im sure be economically beneficial. I would have no problem with similar numbers to Germany being taken in by us, as long as housing and other infrastructure and services were provided. The Muslim population of Britain is dominated by those of Pakistani & Bengali heritage with a small but growing Somali population, allowing a large number of Syrians (500,000+) would actually diversify the population and break the dominance of those either from the Indian sub continent or with that heritage.
Half a million! Am I misreading something?
Worth pointing out that Germany is NOT planning to take in 500,000 Syrians - there are far more asylum seekers entering Germany from the Balkans than from Syria (and most of their asylum requests will be refused).
Yeah I can see Khan winning. But his fellow travelling with Islamists and Islamism, his anti white racial quotas, and so forth, will just introduce more poison into the Labour body politic. What is popular in London might look ghastly everywhere else.
I suspect Labour are about to haemorrhage votes to UKIP.
I don't think so, once the Standard and Metro get their teeth into Khan then he will be toast. I know four people plus me who have signed up to the Tory volunteer team to stop Khan. The ill feeling in the Jewish, Hindu and Sikh community towards Khan should not be underestimated. While Labour may rely on a higher Muslim turnout, the Tories should begin cultivating the non-Muslim ethnic vote in London, which is just as large.
We must stop Khan at all costs, even if it means a divisive campaign. He would be a complete and utter disaster, think Lutfur Rahman on a larger scale with a budget 10x as large to funnel into Muslim special interest groups.
Pinkrose Yeh.. so we just need to find approx 300,000 homes perhaps 100,000 more school places quite a few hundred extra doctors.. for starters..the we need to eventually employ them. This in a country that is struggling with a shortage of doctors, thousands homeless, a creaking education system and still a huge nunmber of jobless...yep all we need is another half a mil..
What i dont understand about this "quota system" proposed by Juncker and being pushed by Merkel is this, how is the EU going to make sure those dispersed to say Slovakia actually STAY in Slovakia? Free movement is a fundamental principle of being an EU citizen, guest worker, accepted refugee etc. We cannot have 2nd class citizens, everyone should have the same rights, including the freedom to live and work wherever in the Euopean Union you want. Maybe im missing something, can anyone explain?
Personally i think Britain is missing out, the majority of the Syrians arriving in Europe are highly educated, mobile, middle class who will im sure be economically beneficial. I would have no problem with similar numbers to Germany being taken in by us, as long as housing and other infrastructure and services were provided. The Muslim population of Britain is dominated by those of Pakistani & Bengali heritage with a small but growing Somali population, allowing a large number of Syrians (500,000+) would actually diversify the population and break the dominance of those either from the Indian sub continent or with that heritage.
Half a million! Am I misreading something?
Worth pointing out that Germany is NOT planning to take in 500,000 Syrians - there are far more asylum seekers entering Germany from the Balkans than from Syria (and most of their asylum requests will be refused).
Germany no longer has a fecking clue what it's planning frankly, as Merkel has fired the starting pistol on a bizarre and dangerous cross continental Darwinian race for however many can make it from Syria and Iraq to the Bavarian border.
What i dont understand about this "quota system" proposed by Juncker and being pushed by Merkel is this, how is the EU going to make sure those dispersed to say Slovakia actually STAY in Slovakia? Free movement is a fundamental principle of being an EU citizen, guest worker, accepted refugee etc. We cannot have 2nd class citizens, everyone should have the same rights, including the freedom to live and work wherever in the Euopean Union you want. Maybe im missing something, can anyone explain?
Personally i think Britain is missing out, the majority of the Syrians arriving in Europe are highly educated, mobile, middle class who will im sure be economically beneficial. I would have no problem with similar numbers to Germany being taken in by us, as long as housing and other infrastructure and services were provided. The Muslim population of Britain is dominated by those of Pakistani & Bengali heritage with a small but growing Somali population, allowing a large number of Syrians (500,000+) would actually diversify the population and break the dominance of those either from the Indian sub continent or with that heritage.
What i dont understand about this "quota system" proposed by Juncker and being pushed by Merkel is this, how is the EU going to make sure those dispersed to say Slovakia actually STAY in Slovakia? Free movement is a fundamental principle of being an EU citizen, guest worker, accepted refugee etc. We cannot have 2nd class citizens, everyone should have the same rights, including the freedom to live and work wherever in the Euopean Union you want. Maybe im missing something, can anyone explain?
Personally i think Britain is missing out, the majority of the Syrians arriving in Europe are highly educated, mobile, middle class who will im sure be economically beneficial. I would have no problem with similar numbers to Germany being taken in by us, as long as housing and other infrastructure and services were provided. The Muslim population of Britain is dominated by those of Pakistani & Bengali heritage with a small but growing Somali population, allowing a large number of Syrians (500,000+) would actually diversify the population and break the dominance of those either from the Indian sub continent or with that heritage.
What evidence do you have that they are "highly educated"? Only 30% of Syrians went to some form of tertiary education, compared to 60% for the UK:
The recent discusssions on Junts pel Si has had me look a little closer at the actual polling numbers for Catalan Independence.
What is stunningly clear from the movements in polling over recent years is how the denying of full Federalism appears to have done more than anything to promote the growth of the call for Independence.
If you look back to 2005, given a choice of Independence, Federalism, Status Quo (Autonomous Community) and status as a Region (more integration), Independence was only backed by 13.6% of the population.
Over time this has grown to a peak in 2013 at 48% and currently sits around the 40% mark (last poll 37.6%) while there's been a significant drop not just in the status quo but the numbers who back Federalism. Meanwhile support for Federalism has plummeted even faster than support for the Status Quo. The Federal option is becoming as relevant as the Liberals.
Interestingly, I don't recall recent polls in Scotland asking the three part question, some have asked if people support FFA but not as an alternative to Independence.
The assumption has always been that about 30% back Independence, 30% Union and 40% a Federal option/DevoMax/FFA for Scotland. I wonder if this assumption can still be relied upon.
Comprehensive victory for Sadiq presaging another comprehensive victory for Corbyn.
There are quite a few people running around scratching their heads. Well, let me help.
The moment the zeitgeist changed was the moment Britain woke up and realised it wasn't getting another LibDem-Con coalition but a Conservative Government. Although some of us thought this would happen, it caught most people unawares.
For the past x years the left has been served not by Labour, which under the Blairites wasn't remotely left, but by the Liberal Democrats with the Greens.
Now the forces are uniting, and partly in real anger, behind Corbyn and Khan.
Many assume Corbyn cannot win, which may be true, but politics in Britain is about to become very interesting indeed. Remember, the Tories have a wafer thin majority: the slimmest for 40 years. You just wait until the shine comes off ...
I think Corbyn was quite entitled to yell at the idiotic cameraman. The press do not have the right to block people's movement (especially when they risk injuring people with their actions). I can imagine most people would get annoyed if they couldn't get on their bike for cameramen pushing their lens into their face and blocking their passage.
Yeah I can see Khan winning. But his fellow travelling with Islamists and Islamism, his anti white racial quotas, and so forth, will just introduce more poison into the Labour body politic. What is popular in London might look ghastly everywhere else.
I suspect Labour are about to haemorrhage votes to UKIP.
I don't think so, once the Standard and Metro get their teeth into Khan then he will be toast. I know four people plus me who have signed up to the Tory volunteer team to stop Khan. The ill feeling in the Jewish, Hindu and Sikh community towards Khan should not be underestimated. While Labour may rely on a higher Muslim turnout, the Tories should begin cultivating the non-Muslim ethnic vote in London, which is just as large.
We must stop Khan at all costs, even if it means a divisive campaign. He would be a complete and utter disaster, think Lutfur Rahman on a larger scale with a budget 10x as large to funnel into Muslim special interest groups.
The metro won't attack Corbyn, and the standard's attacks are priced in. Didn't stop Ken winning twice during a labour government, Khan is only feared by right wing loonies, he comes across as very boring and moderate. The labour activist base is going to be on fire after a Corbyn win, so a few extremist tory loons like yourself aren't going to touch the sides.
Not necessarily, I think we have to assume that eventually Trump and Carson are going to fall away (although I fully accept that this might not be the case and they are serious contenders), and when that happens, it's a wide open field behind them.
I have come around 360 degrees and am more than happy tomorrow will see Jezza as our leader. After the appalling Ed Miliband, Labour must learn that careerist non entities with little about them should ever compete for leadership of the party. Yvette, Andy and Liz....off you go.
Jez is going to win because Labour could not find anyone else with anything about them
He's got an appalling temper. Hates being challenged or scrutnized as he's never been challenged or scrutinized.
So, to add to the terrorist supporting, ISIS loving, IRA hugging, Bin Laden adoring, Chavez worshipping, quasi-Trotskyism... plus the chronic disloyalty, weird family life, hypocrite spouse and voodoo economics... he is actually not even that nice as a person, despite the claims, indeed he'd a bit of a ticking eggshell-personality time bomb.
Bravo, Labour. Bravo. They found possibly the single worst man to lead the party out of the entire male population of Great Britain.
Indeed, he is fine as a troublemaking backbencher where he does not actually have to make any decisions, as leader the level of pressure is of a whole different order as IDS found out
"Everywhere else?" SeanT er like Scotland which just voted a resoundingly left-wing batch of MPs.
Britain may appear comfortably middle class and right of centre ... to those living in Primrose Hill.
Scotland is not as left of centre as it thinks it is - IIRC attitudes surveys repeatedly show the views of Scots on most issues is really not that different from rUK, even if they think they are. That said, clearly they have no intention of voting in MPs not under the centre left banner.
I have come around 360 degrees and am more than happy tomorrow will see Jezza as our leader. After the appalling Ed Miliband, Labour must learn that careerist non entities with little about them should ever compete for leadership of the party. Yvette, Andy and Liz....off you go.
Jez is going to win because Labour could not find anyone else with anything about them
How can you be a Labour supporter and be remotely happy about Corbyn winning?
The only thing he guarantees is that your will never win another election (probably ever) and your oblivion in Scotland will happen much, much faster.
"Everywhere else?" SeanT er like Scotland which just voted a resoundingly left-wing batch of MPs.
Britain may appear comfortably middle class and right of centre ... to those living in Primrose Hill.
There are plenty of leftwingers in Primrose Hill (it actually has a Labour MP) in fact probably far more than in Nuneaton, Crawley, Bolton West and Gower where the next election will actually be decided
He's got an appalling temper. Hates being challenged or scrutnized as he's never been challenged or scrutinized.
I'm sure that's true, although an incident like that, pushing away a camera, is not the best example. Losing his cool under questioning would be a much better thing for people, at some point, to hold against him. And we may well have more examples of that at some point - hell, the newer breed of MPs are close to that already if Corbyn is not; the Umunnas and Powells of the world are often astoundingly petulant under questioning.
He's got an appalling temper. Hates being challenged or scrutnized as he's never been challenged or scrutinized.
So, to add to the terrorist supporting, ISIS loving, IRA hugging, Bin Laden adoring, Chavez worshipping, quasi-Trotskyism... plus the chronic disloyalty, weird family life, hypocrite spouse and voodoo economics... he is actually not even that nice as a person, despite the claims, indeed he'd a bit of a ticking eggshell-personality time bomb.
Bravo, Labour. Bravo. They found possibly the single worst man to lead the party out of the entire male population of Great Britain.
Given that Livingstone lost the last Mayoral election narrowly, which some attributed to the Jewish vote, the choice of Khan as Labour candidate is likely to antagonise this section of the electorate. At the time I noted the discrepancy between the support for Labour in the Camden/Barnet seat on the GLA, which Labour won, compared to the substantial support for Johnson over Livingstone in the same constituency area. These 2 boroughs have some of the highest number of Jews (as % of the total population) in the UK (Barnet 15.5%, Camden 5%).
This is in no way a criticism of Khan as the Labour mayoral candidate. However, most Jews tend to be hostile to those perceived as anti-Zionist, as they will be to Corbyn (should he become Labour leader).
I think Corbyn was quite entitled to yell at the idiotic cameraman. The press do not have the right to block people's movement (especially when they risk injuring people with their actions). I can imagine most people would get annoyed if they couldn't get on their bike for cameramen pushing their lens into their face and blocking their passage.
Perhaps. But it's still ill-advised, and, more importantly, it's not a one-off. There is a pattern of him being querulous and seriously irritable when put on the spot.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4c_z8Jyuas
That's true, I fully accept he has anger management issues and will come a cropper time and time again.
But the C4 cameraman was not a justified example, he was perfectly right to yell at an idiot putting him into a potentially harmful situation. In your face press harassment outside of chasing down wrongdoers who are refusing to be interviewed really is out of hand these days.
Yeah I can see Khan winning. But his fellow travelling with Islamists and Islamism, his anti white racial quotas, and so forth, will just introduce more poison into the Labour body politic. What is popular in London might look ghastly everywhere else.
I suspect Labour are about to haemorrhage votes to UKIP.
I don't think so, once the Standard and Metro get their teeth into Khan then he will be toast. I know four people plus me who have signed up to the Tory volunteer team to stop Khan. The ill feeling in the Jewish, Hindu and Sikh community towards Khan should not be underestimated. While Labour may rely on a higher Muslim turnout, the Tories should begin cultivating the non-Muslim ethnic vote in London, which is just as large.
We must stop Khan at all costs, even if it means a divisive campaign. He would be a complete and utter disaster, think Lutfur Rahman on a larger scale with a budget 10x as large to funnel into Muslim special interest groups.
The metro won't attack Corbyn, and the standard's attacks are priced in. Didn't stop Ken winning twice during a labour government, Khan is only feared by right wing loonies, he comes across as very boring and moderate. The labour activist base is going to be on fire after a Corbyn win, so a few extremist tory loons like yourself aren't going to touch the sides.
Ken won because there was no decent candidate to oppose him from Labour or the Tories. Also, at the time Ken didn't associate with Islamist nutbags, Ken also went on to lose two contests to Boris, who was considered the height of unelectability in 2008. Completely unfavoured vs Ken.
Ken also got a lot of support from the WWC who are much less likely to support Khan. The few Muslim Tories that may switch to Labour won't make up for the loss of the WWC who probably won't bother voting at all given the choices.
Khan won't win against Goldsmith, he might have done against other Tory candidates, but against Goldsmith he won't. Goldsmith is better looking version of Boris. He will even begin to go by his first name soon, it will be Zac vs Khan.
"Everywhere else?" SeanT er like Scotland which just voted a resoundingly left-wing batch of MPs.
Britain may appear comfortably middle class and right of centre ... to those living in Primrose Hill.
Scotland voted for a very popular and competent party which is currently a pretty bog standard middle of the road centrist government. It isn't on the left, doesn't govern on the left.
Corbyn will be utterly toxic in Scotland. His IRA fanatacism will be felt there more than anywhere else Labour stands for election.
Have to say I was surprised Sadiq Khan won the Labour Mayoral nomination so easily. The question is now whether he can deliver London for Labour next year.
I suspect the MaxPBs of this world would have been rushing to the Tory flag even if Tessa Jowell had won and the battle won't be won or lost in my part of London either. London isn't uniform - it has a diverse number of areas with their own characteristics and what plays well in one area might not do so in another.
That said, it's much more about getting out the vote - if the new Labour machine can get supporters to vote for Khan, especially in the inner suburbs, the Conservatives will have a real fight. Oddly enough, we could have the 2020 Mayoral Election on General Election day but that's a long way down the road.
As the Evening Standard pointed out, both Labour and Conservative candidates are opposed to Heathrow expansion which will be interesting given the apparent direction in Government policy. Would a pro-expansion candidate have a chance ? Perhaps not but it would be interesting to see such a candidate argue the case for expanding Heathrow against, for example, the currently heavily publicised option of expanding Gatwick.
Over my side of town, the pro-Heathrow argument would have a better hearing and proponents of Heathrow argue airport expansion would provide a huge boost to the area.
"Everywhere else?" SeanT er like Scotland which just voted a resoundingly left-wing batch of MPs.
Britain may appear comfortably middle class and right of centre ... to those living in Primrose Hill.
Scotland voted for a very popular and competent party which is currently a pretty bog standard middle of the road centrist government. It isn't on the left, doesn't govern on the left.
Corbyn will be utterly toxic in Scotland. His IRA fanatacism will be felt there more than anywhere else Labour stands for election.
In the Highlands and Borders and Edinburgh maybe, Glasgow Corbyn rallies were packed out several times over
"Everywhere else?" SeanT er like Scotland which just voted a resoundingly left-wing batch of MPs.
Britain may appear comfortably middle class and right of centre ... to those living in Primrose Hill.
Scotland is not as left of centre as it thinks it is - IIRC attitudes surveys repeatedly show the views of Scots on most issues is really not that different from rUK, even if they think they are. That said, clearly they have no intention of voting in MPs not under the centre left banner.
Scots would happily vote for a centre right party which was not called The Conservative and Unionist Party. A right of centre party supporting Independence and un-corrupted by Tories would be very successful.
What i dont understand about this "quota system" proposed by Juncker and being pushed by Merkel is this, how is the EU going to make sure those dispersed to say Slovakia actually STAY in Slovakia? Free movement is a fundamental principle of being an EU citizen, guest worker, accepted refugee etc. We cannot have 2nd class citizens, everyone should have the same rights, including the freedom to live and work wherever in the Euopean Union you want. Maybe im missing something, can anyone explain?
Personally i think Britain is missing out, the majority of the Syrians arriving in Europe are highly educated, mobile, middle class who will im sure be economically beneficial. I would have no problem with similar numbers to Germany being taken in by us, as long as housing and other infrastructure and services were provided. The Muslim population of Britain is dominated by those of Pakistani & Bengali heritage with a small but growing Somali population, allowing a large number of Syrians (500,000+) would actually diversify the population and break the dominance of those either from the Indian sub continent or with that heritage.
Good luck with selling that to the electorate
The current refugee crisis calls for leadership not pandering to the Islamophobic elements of the electorate. I'm ashamed of how Cameron has turned his back on desperate people especially when he is keen to take military action here there and everywhere without a second thought to the consequences.
Jess Phillips attacks Corbyn for being a white male.
I'll get through the rest of the piece in short order, but it is so telling, and so sad, that she laughs off how she was raised, 'in no uncertain terms to hate Tories', and in a real, visceral kind of hatred. I don't remember my parents ever making a political comment in my presence (maybe they just weren't very political at all), and I'm sure I've missed out on something, but not having been raised to hate Tories/Labour feels much more relaxing. It's why I find it hard to understand people my own age who despise Thatcher in a manner of those who were fed Thatcher hate in their breast milk.
Pinkrose so how do we suddenly provide the 300,000houses..and what about the homeless we already have..Instead of criticisng why not make some sensible practical suggestions....maybe start with the accommodation problem I
"Everywhere else?" SeanT er like Scotland which just voted a resoundingly left-wing batch of MPs.
Britain may appear comfortably middle class and right of centre ... to those living in Primrose Hill.
Scotland voted for a very popular and competent party which is currently a pretty bog standard middle of the road centrist government. It isn't on the left, doesn't govern on the left.
Corbyn will be utterly toxic in Scotland. His IRA fanatacism will be felt there more than anywhere else Labour stands for election.
In the Highlands and Borders and Edinburgh maybe, Glasgow Corbyn rallies were packed out several times over
Glasgow has a population of 650,000 and the metropolitan area has around 1.5m. Filling a hall with 1500 people for an one off event which is getting vast national broadcast coverage is not going to be very hard.
I guess Corbyn's likely convincing win tomorrow, will no doubt trigger a further avalanche of MSM anti Corbyn coverage. The problem with the no doubt relentless barrage of right wing MSM articles is that folks may become immune to it and even fair criticism of Corbyn will not resonate with the electorate, much has as happened with the SNP. The left wing MSM will no doubt fall into line as the ABC campaign has failed.
As we saw with last night's scenes in Islington, Corbyn is likely to remain in campaign mode for some months to come. I'd anticipate him hitting the Uni campuses hard selling his anti establishment message. Come 2020, If Corbyn is still in situ, the student vote could be an interesting weapon as they can deploy their votes at home or Uni !!
What is really starting to annoy me about Blairite MP's and their media friends like McTernan and Hodges is the way they keep abusing and denigrating £3 supporters but in the next breath whine about how unfair poor little Liz Kendall has been treated. If Labour didn't want people to vote who are not full members of the party then why introduce this system? And if you remember it was the Blairites who cheered this system to the rafters when it was introduced by Miliband because they thought they were getting one over on the unions.
I think im typical of the £3 supporter, not a Labour party member, never have been but did vote for them at 2015 and have voted for them before. Im not a infiltrator, Tory or hard Left. I voted for Corbyn no other preferences for the Leadership, Tom Watson for Deputy Leadership and in the London Mayoralty 1st preference, Diane Abbott, 2nd preference Sadiq Khan.
If Corbyn is elected leader then I hope that the media will challenge some of his moral smugness.
There is nothing particularly moral about leaving your country undefended, spending money that you don't have, or taxing hard-working families to support those who won't work. As for deceiving the public into believing that you can find £120million from the back of the fiscal sofa...
I'm not claiming superiority for any set of ideas, but the idea of Corbyn claiming the moral high ground on any of these issues really flies in the face of reason.
Incidentally, I believe he committed to having women as half his shadow cabinet; where are they all going to come from given the very small number of MPs that have pledged support for him?
I must admit I never thought Labour would turn itself back into the joke party it was in the 1980s...just proves the old maxim about history repeating itself.
"Everywhere else?" SeanT er like Scotland which just voted a resoundingly left-wing batch of MPs.
Britain may appear comfortably middle class and right of centre ... to those living in Primrose Hill.
Scotland voted for a very popular and competent party which is currently a pretty bog standard middle of the road centrist government. It isn't on the left, doesn't govern on the left.
Corbyn will be utterly toxic in Scotland. His IRA fanatacism will be felt there more than anywhere else Labour stands for election.
In the Highlands and Borders and Edinburgh maybe, Glasgow Corbyn rallies were packed out several times over
Glasgow has a population of 650,000 and the metropolitan area has around 1.5m. Filling a hall with 1500 people for an one off event which is getting vast national broadcast coverage is not going to be very hard.
Well you may say that but when was the last time a Labour leader in Scotland got people queing to hear him speak? Probably you have to go back to John Smith.
I guess Corbyn's likely convincing win tomorrow, will no doubt trigger a further avalanche of MSM anti Corbyn coverage. The problem with the no doubt relentless barrage of right wing MSM articles is that folks may become immune to it and even fair criticism of Corbyn will not resonate with the electorate, much has as happened with the SNP. The left wing MSM will no doubt fall into line as the ABC campaign has failed.
As we saw with last night's scenes in Islington, Corbyn is likely to remain in campaign mode for some months to come. I'd anticipate him hitting the Uni campuses hard selling his anti establishment message. Come 2020, If Corbyn is still in situ, the student vote could be an interesting weapon as they can deploy their votes at home or Uni !!
Anyone at Uni today hearing his message will have graduated by 2020. They wont be students.
The left wing MSM will no doubt fall into line as the ABC campaign has failed.
Probably, though I wonder what will cause them to relapse - the concerns of the left on Corbyn won't go away unless he pulls a blinder and proves everyone very wrong.
Indeed, he is fine as a troublemaking backbencher where he does not actually have to make any decisions, as leader the level of pressure is of a whole different order as IDS found out
Corbyn is FAR worse than IDS, and he's no Hague, or Howard either. The closest comparison would be something like the Tories going mad and letting kippers install Bill Cash, but even Cash is nowhere near as bad as Corbyn.
I honestly don't think there's a Tory MP who would be as bad as Corbyn.
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"I won't be voting for Jeremy Corbyn and I don't think he can lead us to election victory in 2020."
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=960090640710390&id=275283499191111
*my highest term of praise.
This focus on Labour "needing to win the Tory suburbs" is a red herring in a proportional system -- if they do a better job of maximising turnout in their inner London heartlands, they win.
This is going to be a very entertaining Party Conference season!
Sadiq Khan received more than twice the votes that Tim Farron got to become leader the Lib Dems nationally.
It's an extinction event
We should get some straight Khan v Goldsmith polling soon, I guess.
All Voters
Carson 51% (36%)
Clinton 46% (60%)
Clinton 50% (53%)
Bush 46% (41%)
Clinton 50% (52%)
Trump 46% (43%)
Registered Voters
Carson 51% (–)
Clinton 46% (–)
Bush 49% (43%)
Clinton 47% (52%)
Trump 48% (45%)
Clinton 48% (51%)
All Voters
Carson 50%
Biden 47%
Biden 53%
Bush 43%
Biden 57%
Trump 41%
Registered Voters
Carson 50%
Biden 47%
Biden 52%
Bush 44%
Biden 54%
Trump 44%
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/09/10/politics/hillary-clinton-poll-women/
Trump – 27% (10)
Carson – 21% (10)
Cruz – 9% (9)
Bush – 6% (8)
Fiorina – 5% (3)
Kasich – 5% (2)
Rubio – 5% (7)
Huckabee – 4% (5)
Paul – 4% (9)
Walker – 3% (18)
Jindal – 2% (3)
Christie – 1% (1)
Graham – 1% (1)
Perry – 1% (4)
Santorum – 1% (4)
Gilmore – 0% (-)
Pataki – 0% (0)
Undecided – 4% (5)
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/iowa/release-detail?ReleaseID=2278
It's becoming clear that the right of Labour saw the "union vote" as a bloc vote, when it was really a reflection of a large amount of genuine left-wing grassroots Labour voters. Progress etc were able to diminished the unions but not the union members, unintentionally empowering the silent majority of traditional Labour supporters with a voice, power and prominence. In hindsight, it was clear there was hubristic and dismissive attitude among much of "New Labour" about left-wing voters, believing that more open primaries would inevitably lead to more right-wing candidates, not understanding that it would attract the people who they have been pushing away.
The election has also demonstrated that there is a vast disconnect between the PLP and much of the Labour voter base, with Labour drifting way too far to the right for the tastes of many of its supporters. This was clearly bubbling beneath the surface and something eventually had to give, and perhaps this is just the start of a broader shift in the Labour party (I've ran out of metaphors to mix).
I just can't see how getting a few Muslim Tories to switch over counter-acts those potential losses, if it does acquire a religious aspect.
If ISIS slips through our intelligence net and commits a spectacular in the capital before the Mayoral, I can't see how he stops some of that attaching to him. It only needs one of his activists to say something supportive of ISIS on Facebook or Twitter in response - and he will be pedaling backwards in ever decreasing circles.
http://www.conservativehome.com/leftwatch/2015/09/those-voters-who-abandoned-labour-in-may-could-be-lost-to-them-for-the-long-term.html
Khan winning could be a disaster for Labour nationally.
What is popular in London might look ghastly everywhere else.
And of course, with the media being so very London-centric, what is happening in London gets well advertised all around the country.
Some of them won't. Look at the fracturing in Tower Hamlets.
With Hillary's lead tumbling (completely lost in NH and Iowa) nationally, and the three most common unprompted words offered to describe her as 'liar', 'dishonest' and 'untrustworthy', the political space for a Biden entry is getting ever bigger.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/joe-biden-2016-campaign-taking-shape-213545
https://twitter.com/noclador/status/642128129444716548
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/29/tony-blair-labour-leadership-jeremy-corbyn
I expect many of the Blairites to spend the Corbyn years making some money and staying away from the frontline of politics other than to occasionally plot his overthrow, much as Tory modernisers and Europhiles did in the IDS years, Heseltine, Clarke, Portillo and Maude certainly were more favourable towards Blair than IDS
http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/sep/11/mecca-crane-crash-more-than-50-dead-at-grand-mosque-live
On September 11th.
Personally i think Britain is missing out, the majority of the Syrians arriving in Europe are highly educated, mobile, middle class who will im sure be economically beneficial. I would have no problem with similar numbers to Germany being taken in by us, as long as housing and other infrastructure and services were provided. The Muslim population of Britain is dominated by those of Pakistani & Bengali heritage with a small but growing Somali population, allowing a large number of Syrians (500,000+) would actually diversify the population and break the dominance of those either from the Indian sub continent or with that heritage.
We must stop Khan at all costs, even if it means a divisive campaign. He would be a complete and utter disaster, think Lutfur Rahman on a larger scale with a budget 10x as large to funnel into Muslim special interest groups.
http://ballotpedia.org/Important_dates_in_the_2016_presidential_race
https://twitter.com/Channel4News?lang=en-gb
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SE.TER.ENRR
And I'm pretty sure our tertiary education system, for all its flaws, is better than theirs.
What is stunningly clear from the movements in polling over recent years is how the denying of full Federalism appears to have done more than anything to promote the growth of the call for Independence.
If you look back to 2005, given a choice of Independence, Federalism, Status Quo (Autonomous Community) and status as a Region (more integration), Independence was only backed by 13.6% of the population.
Over time this has grown to a peak in 2013 at 48% and currently sits around the 40% mark (last poll 37.6%) while there's been a significant drop not just in the status quo but the numbers who back Federalism. Meanwhile support for Federalism has plummeted even faster than support for the Status Quo. The Federal option is becoming as relevant as the Liberals.
Interestingly, I don't recall recent polls in Scotland asking the three part question, some have asked if people support FFA but not as an alternative to Independence.
The assumption has always been that about 30% back Independence, 30% Union and 40% a Federal option/DevoMax/FFA for Scotland. I wonder if this assumption can still be relied upon.
There are quite a few people running around scratching their heads. Well, let me help.
The moment the zeitgeist changed was the moment Britain woke up and realised it wasn't getting another LibDem-Con coalition but a Conservative Government. Although some of us thought this would happen, it caught most people unawares.
For the past x years the left has been served not by Labour, which under the Blairites wasn't remotely left, but by the Liberal Democrats with the Greens.
Now the forces are uniting, and partly in real anger, behind Corbyn and Khan.
Many assume Corbyn cannot win, which may be true, but politics in Britain is about to become very interesting indeed. Remember, the Tories have a wafer thin majority: the slimmest for 40 years. You just wait until the shine comes off ...
Jez is going to win because Labour could not find anyone else with anything about them
Britain may appear comfortably middle class and right of centre ... to those living in Primrose Hill.
The only thing he guarantees is that your will never win another election (probably ever) and your oblivion in Scotland will happen much, much faster.
This is in no way a criticism of Khan as the Labour mayoral candidate. However, most Jews tend to be hostile to those perceived as anti-Zionist, as they will be to Corbyn (should he become Labour leader).
But the C4 cameraman was not a justified example, he was perfectly right to yell at an idiot putting him into a potentially harmful situation. In your face press harassment outside of chasing down wrongdoers who are refusing to be interviewed really is out of hand these days.
Ken also got a lot of support from the WWC who are much less likely to support Khan. The few Muslim Tories that may switch to Labour won't make up for the loss of the WWC who probably won't bother voting at all given the choices.
Khan won't win against Goldsmith, he might have done against other Tory candidates, but against Goldsmith he won't. Goldsmith is better looking version of Boris. He will even begin to go by his first name soon, it will be Zac vs Khan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMQLSkM1_sU
Jess Phillips attacks Corbyn for being a white male.
Corbyn will be utterly toxic in Scotland. His IRA fanatacism will be felt there more than anywhere else Labour stands for election.
Have to say I was surprised Sadiq Khan won the Labour Mayoral nomination so easily. The question is now whether he can deliver London for Labour next year.
I suspect the MaxPBs of this world would have been rushing to the Tory flag even if Tessa Jowell had won and the battle won't be won or lost in my part of London either. London isn't uniform - it has a diverse number of areas with their own characteristics and what plays well in one area might not do so in another.
That said, it's much more about getting out the vote - if the new Labour machine can get supporters to vote for Khan, especially in the inner suburbs, the Conservatives will have a real fight. Oddly enough, we could have the 2020 Mayoral Election on General Election day but that's a long way down the road.
As the Evening Standard pointed out, both Labour and Conservative candidates are opposed to Heathrow expansion which will be interesting given the apparent direction in Government policy. Would a pro-expansion candidate have a chance ? Perhaps not but it would be interesting to see such a candidate argue the case for expanding Heathrow against, for example, the currently heavily publicised option of expanding Gatwick.
Over my side of town, the pro-Heathrow argument would have a better hearing and proponents of Heathrow argue airport expansion would provide a huge boost to the area.
As we saw with last night's scenes in Islington, Corbyn is likely to remain in campaign mode for some months to come. I'd anticipate him hitting the Uni campuses hard selling his anti establishment message. Come 2020, If Corbyn is still in situ, the student vote could be an interesting weapon as they can deploy their votes at home or Uni !!
I think im typical of the £3 supporter, not a Labour party member, never have been but did vote for them at 2015 and have voted for them before. Im not a infiltrator, Tory or hard Left. I voted for Corbyn no other preferences for the Leadership, Tom Watson for Deputy Leadership and in the London Mayoralty 1st preference, Diane Abbott, 2nd preference Sadiq Khan.
There is nothing particularly moral about leaving your country undefended, spending money that you don't have, or taxing hard-working families to support those who won't work. As for deceiving the public into believing that you can find £120million from the back of the fiscal sofa...
I'm not claiming superiority for any set of ideas, but the idea of Corbyn claiming the moral high ground on any of these issues really flies in the face of reason.
Incidentally, I believe he committed to having women as half his shadow cabinet; where are they all going to come from given the very small number of MPs that have pledged support for him?
I honestly don't think there's a Tory MP who would be as bad as Corbyn.
Depressing reading. Identity politics is vile.