That's the sportsbook price, I'm talking about the exchange price.
Now he's out to 65
As this will affect not one vote as voting has now closed rather an overreaction to a non story. I was about to bet on him on Ladbrokes at 20/1, will now switch to Betfair Exchange (and he has just moved back into 48) https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.103946886
His price has been drifting like a bloody barge long before the story broke.
In fact probably since the polls closed I think.
Good, as I have just bet on him, certainly far better to bet on him now than earlier in the campaign when he was frontrunner. Counting has not even started yet and not one vote will have been affected by this story
I'll bet they did. They should be taking the refugees.
Even Syrian refugees wouldn't want to go to Saudi. Or Iran.
If you were a refugee, would you go?
From what small amount of information that I've managed to get, Saudi is on the edge of a revolution.
Isn't it an obligation of every Muslim to go to Mecca? It's not really a case of what the refugees want. It's that the Saudis should be offering refuge to fellow Muslims - to members of the "ummah" - as an act of charity (another obligation on Muslims) - rather than funding the spread of Wahabbi ideology in the West.
Still, this whole concept of the ummah is a crock of sh*t. Those rich Muslim countries are quite happy to ignore the plight of fellow suffering Muslims when they could do something to help. Hypocrites the lot of them.
This is the state of play, some muslim countries are doing their bit. Not the Saudis or the Gulf states though.:
The Donald strikes again - gives an interview to Rolling Stone -
"Look at that face!" Trump told the magazine while sitting with a Rolling Stone reporter as Fiorina appeared on TV. "Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next president."
"I mean, she's a woman, and I'm not s'posedta say bad things, but really, folks, come on. Are we serious?" Trump said, according to the magazine.
That's the sportsbook price, I'm talking about the exchange price.
Now he's out to 65
As this will affect not one vote as voting has now closed rather an overreaction to a non story. I was about to bet on him on Ladbrokes at 20/1, will now switch to Betfair Exchange (and he has just moved back into 48) https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.103946886
His price has been drifting like a bloody barge long before the story broke.
In fact probably since the polls closed I think.
Good, as I have just bet on him, certainly far better to bet on him now than earlier in the campaign when he was frontrunner. Counting has not even started yet and not one vote will have been affected by this story
Counting started today.
Voting closed at midday so really at best nothing but an early trickle
The Donald strikes again - gives an interview to Rolling Stone -
"Look at that face!" Trump told the magazine while sitting with a Rolling Stone reporter as Fiorina appeared on TV. "Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next president."
"I mean, she's a woman, and I'm not s'posedta say bad things, but really, folks, come on. Are we serious?" Trump said, according to the magazine.
The State Department has hired a 'transparency czar' to handle records requests, including for Hillary's emails. Her name is Janice Jacobs, and - you guessed it - she's a Hillary donor.
Charlotte Proudman, 27, who has been building up her media profile for the past three years by writing for the Guardian, the Independent and several magazines, as well as being a guest on BBC Radio 4’s Woman’s Hour, believes men make workplaces a “repugnant world”.
Earlier this year she used the left-wing website Left Foot Forward to explain that she was a campaigner for feminism, not equality, because: “Men live and work in a brutal society, which is maintained through stratified social order based on ritual humiliation, gentleman’s clubs, fights, rites of passage, sexism, and banter.
If men and women were truly equal, she said, “men’s genitals would be sliced up” in the same way that some women are subjected to female genital mutilation (FGM).
A deliciously ironic post, given her surname.
Somehow one doubts that she'd be happy even if every man in the country gifted her their severed penis on a plate, as she seems to yearn for.
Mens genitals are regularly sliced up, not quite as badly as FGM but Male Genital Mutilation has is reasonably close in its limitations on sexual enjoyment and function.
She's still not as bad as the Carolinian student whose paper I posted last night. Here again, in all it's whingy victimhood virtuosity:
[from yesterday's thread] "Oh my word. The article referred to in this article is priceless. But even better are the comments. I particularly like the tips on how to be taken seriously given by Mark Lang."
Caption: "Hillary reminds me of the character in 'House of Cards,' Claire Underwood, in that she seems like a terrible person on the inside," John Weber said.
Claire Underwood left Frank just before the NH primary, who knows what she will do in Season 4
It would be nice though if those that bought into the government spin that we would not pay more than £850m now came out and admitted they were wrong.
Very happy to, if that is the case. At the moment, it is clear as mud.
Maybe Bloomberg mean that the UK paid a total of €3.9bn in July and September, comprising the routine payments and the €2.1bn extra back-payment, and then we'll get the rebate on the €2.1bn, which would be consistent with what was being said originally. Dunno. And nor does anyone else here, as far as I can see.
OT, but Breitbart.com has to one of the worst political sites. It makes Guido look amazing, and the DM comments' section look moderate. Full of misogynists and racists.
That's the sportsbook price, I'm talking about the exchange price.
Now he's out to 65
As this will affect not one vote as voting has now closed rather an overreaction to a non story. I was about to bet on him on Ladbrokes at 20/1, will now switch to Betfair Exchange (and he has just moved back into 48) https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.103946886
His price has been drifting like a bloody barge long before the story broke.
In fact probably since the polls closed I think.
Good, as I have just bet on him, certainly far better to bet on him now than earlier in the campaign when he was frontrunner. Counting has not even started yet and not one vote will have been affected by this story
Counting started today.
Voting closed at midday so really at best nothing but an early trickle
You sound like an elderly man with a prostate problem
'The corpse of a three-year-old child has been exploited to facilitate an invasion of economic migrants, not “desperate refugees” but aggressive, backpacking young males on the make. Why would people be “desperate” to leave Hungary? Desperate people would not throw food and water off trains at Hungarian police. Some of these migrants are richer than poor Hungarians... 'The terrifying reality is that Europe is the target of a vast, seismic migratory movement unparalleled in human history. In total, 60 million people are travelling towards us, 15 million from Africa alone.' http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/08/hungarys-viktor-orban-sole-voice-of-sanity-in-the-eu-tells-the-truth-on-immigration/
Reminds me of one of the best lines in the Paul Newman classic "Hombre"
Woman; "We have to help, what other choice do we have???!" Newman : "Not help?"
The State Department has hired a 'transparency czar' to handle records requests, including for Hillary's emails. Her name is Janice Jacobs, and - you guessed it - she's a Hillary donor.
Do you see Clinton dropping out? The email scandal is not going away and is getting worse by the day.
Well within the bounds of possibility. Were she not the "fightiest fighter that ever fought a fight", I would say it would be an odds-on probability. But she is that fighter, and so may continue oblivious to the obvious.
The Donald strikes again - gives an interview to Rolling Stone -
"Look at that face!" Trump told the magazine while sitting with a Rolling Stone reporter as Fiorina appeared on TV. "Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next president."
"I mean, she's a woman, and I'm not s'posedta say bad things, but really, folks, come on. Are we serious?" Trump said, according to the magazine.
That's the sportsbook price, I'm talking about the exchange price.
Now he's out to 65
As this will affect not one vote as voting has now closed rather an overreaction to a non story. I was about to bet on him on Ladbrokes at 20/1, will now switch to Betfair Exchange (and he has just moved back into 48) https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.103946886
His price has been drifting like a bloody barge long before the story broke.
In fact probably since the polls closed I think.
Good, as I have just bet on him, certainly far better to bet on him now than earlier in the campaign when he was frontrunner. Counting has not even started yet and not one vote will have been affected by this story
Counting started today.
Voting closed at midday so really at best nothing but an early trickle
Except the online ballots, which would have been tabulated within seconds.
So again, you're very wrong. Just like when you said we'd be getting another YouGov.
I'll bet they did. They should be taking the refugees.
Isn't it an obligation of every Muslim to go to Mecca? It's not really a case of what the refugees want. It's that the Saudis should be offering refuge to fellow Muslims - to members of the "ummah" - as an act of charity (another obligation on Muslims) - rather than funding the spread of Wahabbi ideology in the West.
Still, this whole concept of the ummah is a crock of sh*t. Those rich Muslim countries are quite happy to ignore the plight of fellow suffering Muslims when they could do something to help. Hypocrites the lot of them.
They haven't exactly been helpful to Palestinian refugees over the last 50 years.
Crikey, Cap'n Comrade Doc, you are just not allowed to mention that, and it is a lot longer than fifty years since the first Palestinian refugee camps were set up.
Of course, there are a lot of Palestinians, now the grandchildren and great grandchildren of the people the Arab states first failed to help, who work in many of the Gulf states. In Kuwait before GW1 is was, with some truth said, that a Kuwaiti would not scratch a flea bite on his arse because that is what Palestinians are for. However, despite the palestinians doing most of the actual work they are seldom if ever allowed to become citizens, even if born-bred in an Arab state.
Many Gulf Arabs will tell you, if only very privately, that they cannot give the Palestinians any sort of rights because to do so would undermine the claim against Israel. Personally I think they just like having subject peoples they can boss about and treat like dirt (see also Filipinos and those from the Indian Sub continent who work in the Gulf).
Whatever, the appalling treatment of Palestinians by the Arab states is just one of those subjects that cannot be mentioned and you will get thumped by all sides if you try.
I think shedding light on this and all the other hypocrisies and bad behaviour within the Arab world is exactly what's needed. Meanwhile I don't want any more immigration from this unstable part of the world. There are some genuine refugee groups we should help: the Yazidis and Christians. The Muslim world can look after its own, for once.
The €2.1bn was the increased figure - i.e. the additional contribution to the EU budget because the UK economy was doing better than expected.
Yes, I know: €2.1bn before rebate. It seems to have become €3.9bn before rebate, if that Bloomberg article is right, but it doesn't say why.
It would be nice though if those that bought into the government spin that we would not pay more than £850m now came out and admitted they were wrong.
I sometimes get the impression that if David Cameron said the Earth was flat there would be people arguing until they are blue in the face that he is correct.
I think maybe rounding up the likes of Rod and his ilk and then deposing of them quickly might be quite a utilitarian act.
The sooner we are all mixed race and cannot distinguish our nationality from anyone else choosing to move from one country to the next the better. It'll happen, but sadly not in my lifetime. And in the meantime, we have to listen to these terrifying racial undertones from the likes of Rod
Re; the leadership contest. Burnham is finished and can join Ed in the wastelands. He'll likely play some kind of role under Jezza, but that is as far as it goes for him. Kendall, is likely to play a prominent role in future years, but she lacks the qualities to be leader and would be ill advised to fight again. Yvette....Yvette lives to fight another day and may well be Labour leader in 2020- between her, a returned David Miliband and possibly Chuka, or Jarvis.
'The corpse of a three-year-old child has been exploited to facilitate an invasion of economic migrants, not “desperate refugees” but aggressive, backpacking young males on the make. Why would people be “desperate” to leave Hungary? Desperate people would not throw food and water off trains at Hungarian police. Some of these migrants are richer than poor Hungarians... 'The terrifying reality is that Europe is the target of a vast, seismic migratory movement unparalleled in human history. In total, 60 million people are travelling towards us, 15 million from Africa alone.' http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/08/hungarys-viktor-orban-sole-voice-of-sanity-in-the-eu-tells-the-truth-on-immigration/
Caption: "Hillary reminds me of the character in 'House of Cards,' Claire Underwood, in that she seems like a terrible person on the inside," John Weber said.
I think the killer might eventually turn out to be Mr Bryan Pagliano , who took the Fifth at the Benghazi committee today. Assuming that is the FBI don't indict.
"Two senior analysts at CENTCOM signed a written complaint sent to the Defense Department inspector general in July alleging that the reports, some of which were briefed to President Obama, portrayed the terror groups as weaker than the analysts believe they are. The reports were changed by CENTCOM higher-ups to adhere to the administration’s public line that the U.S. is winning the battle against ISIS and al Nusra, al Qaeda’s branch in Syria, the analysts claim.
That complaint was supported by 50 other analysts, some of whom have complained about politicizing of intelligence reports for months. That’s according to 11 individuals who are knowledgeable about the details of the report and who spoke to The Daily Beast on condition of anonymity.
The accusations suggest that a large number of people tracking the inner workings of the terror groups think that their reports are being manipulated to fit a public narrative. The allegations echoed charges that political appointees and senior officials cherry-picked intelligence about Iraq’s supposed weapons program in 2002 and 2003."
For the first time I'm now worried that Hillary might not make it. After Iraq, accusations of counterfeit intelligence reports to serve or dupe the President is a very sensitive issue, that's a hit for all the Obama White House, Biden included.
You are worried that Hilary Clinton may not make it? I am amazed that anyone, especially in the USA, think she ought to. A more ghastly and duplicitous candidate steeped up to the ears in corruption, and with a massive sense of entitlement, it would be hard to imagine. Over here she would have consigned to the political dustbin decades ago.
The €2.1bn was the increased figure - i.e. the additional contribution to the EU budget because the UK economy was doing better than expected.
Yes, I know: €2.1bn before rebate. It seems to have become €3.9bn before rebate, if that Bloomberg article is right, but it doesn't say why.
It would be nice though if those that bought into the government spin that we would not pay more than £850m now came out and admitted they were wrong.
I sometimes get the impression that if David Cameron said the Earth was flat there would be people arguing until they are blue in the face that he is correct.
Certainly if he said it was round the usual suspects would accuse him of lying.
Do you remember all those people arguing here that we wouldn't get a referendum if the Conservatives won?
Charlotte Proudman, 27, who has been building up her media profile for the past three years by writing for the Guardian, the Independent and several magazines, as well as being a guest on BBC Radio 4’s Woman’s Hour, believes men make workplaces a “repugnant world”.
Earlier this year she used the left-wing website Left Foot Forward to explain that she was a campaigner for feminism, not equality, because: “Men live and work in a brutal society, which is maintained through stratified social order based on ritual humiliation, gentleman’s clubs, fights, rites of passage, sexism, and banter.
If men and women were truly equal, she said, “men’s genitals would be sliced up” in the same way that some women are subjected to female genital mutilation (FGM).
A deliciously ironic post, given her surname.
Somehow one doubts that she'd be happy even if every man in the country gifted her their severed penis on a plate, as she seems to yearn for.
Mens genitals are regularly sliced up, not quite as badly as FGM but Male Genital Mutilation has is reasonably close in its limitations on sexual enjoyment and function.
She's still not as bad as the Carolinian student whose paper I posted last night. Here again, in all it's whingy victimhood virtuosity:
[from yesterday's thread] "Oh my word. The article referred to in this article is priceless. But even better are the comments. I particularly like the tips on how to be taken seriously given by Mark Lang."
Re; the leadership contest. Burnham is finished and can join Ed in the wastelands. He'll likely play some kind of role under Jezza, but that is as far as it goes for him. Kendall, is likely to play a prominent role in future years, but she lacks the qualities to be leader and would be ill advised to fight again. Yvette....Yvette lives to fight another day and may well be Labour leader in 2020- between her, a returned David Miliband and possibly Chuka, or Jarvis.
Corbyn will last for a couple of years at most.
The result has not even been announced yet, there is still an outside chance Burnham will be leader by Saturday afternoon. Cooper will not be an alternative if Corbyn wins, the only likely alternative would be Johnson, maybe Jarvis
I think that anyone who lost to Corbyn or was embarrassed in the leadership campaign (Umunna) will never be Labour leader. The leader after Corbyn will definitely have to be someone who Corbyn does not disapprove and someone who didn't ran or supported the campaigns of those who ran.
Caption: "Hillary reminds me of the character in 'House of Cards,' Claire Underwood, in that she seems like a terrible person on the inside," John Weber said.
I think the killer might eventually turn out to be Mr Bryan Pagliano , who took the Fifth at the Benghazi committee today. Assuming that is the FBI don't indict.
"Two senior analysts at CENTCOM signed a written complaint sent to the Defense Department inspector general in July alleging that the reports, some of which were briefed to President Obama, portrayed the terror groups as weaker than the analysts believe they are. The reports were changed by CENTCOM higher-ups to adhere to the administration’s public line that the U.S. is winning the battle against ISIS and al Nusra, al Qaeda’s branch in Syria, the analysts claim.
That complaint was supported by 50 other analysts, some of whom have complained about politicizing of intelligence reports for months. That’s according to 11 individuals who are knowledgeable about the details of the report and who spoke to The Daily Beast on condition of anonymity.
The accusations suggest that a large number of people tracking the inner workings of the terror groups think that their reports are being manipulated to fit a public narrative. The allegations echoed charges that political appointees and senior officials cherry-picked intelligence about Iraq’s supposed weapons program in 2002 and 2003."
For the first time I'm now worried that Hillary might not make it. After Iraq, accusations of counterfeit intelligence reports to serve or dupe the President is a very sensitive issue, that's a hit for all the Obama White House, Biden included.
You are worried that Hilary Clinton may not make it? I am amazed that anyone, especially in the USA, think she ought to. A more ghastly and duplicitous candidate steeped up to the ears in corruption, and with a massive sense of entitlement, it would be hard to imagine. Over here she would have consigned to the political dustbin decades ago.
However, fortunately for Hillary her main opponent is likely to be Donald Trump, who is anything but a monk
The Donald strikes again - gives an interview to Rolling Stone -
"Look at that face!" Trump told the magazine while sitting with a Rolling Stone reporter as Fiorina appeared on TV. "Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next president."
"I mean, she's a woman, and I'm not s'posedta say bad things, but really, folks, come on. Are we serious?" Trump said, according to the magazine.
The €2.1bn was the increased figure - i.e. the additional contribution to the EU budget because the UK economy was doing better than expected.
Yes, I know: €2.1bn before rebate. It seems to have become €3.9bn before rebate, if that Bloomberg article is right, but it doesn't say why.
It would be nice though if those that bought into the government spin that we would not pay more than £850m now came out and admitted they were wrong.
I sometimes get the impression that if David Cameron said the Earth was flat there would be people arguing until they are blue in the face that he is correct.
Certainly if he said it was round the usual suspects would accuse him of lying.
Do you remember all those people arguing here that we wouldn't get a referendum if the Conservatives won?
That's the sportsbook price, I'm talking about the exchange price.
Now he's out to 65
As this will affect not one vote as voting has now closed rather an overreaction to a non story. I was about to bet on him on Ladbrokes at 20/1, will now switch to Betfair Exchange (and he has just moved back into 48) https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.103946886
His price has been drifting like a bloody barge long before the story broke.
In fact probably since the polls closed I think.
Good, as I have just bet on him, certainly far better to bet on him now than earlier in the campaign when he was frontrunner. Counting has not even started yet and not one vote will have been affected by this story
Counting started today.
Voting closed at midday so really at best nothing but an early trickle
Except the online ballots, which would have been tabulated within seconds.
So again, you're very wrong. Just like when you said we'd be getting another YouGov.
Guess what, we haven't
Yes, well that is yougov's problem not mine. They better hope it is a big Corbyn win.
The online ballots will of course favour Corbyn heavily as they are registered supporters
The €2.1bn was the increased figure - i.e. the additional contribution to the EU budget because the UK economy was doing better than expected.
Yes, I know: €2.1bn before rebate. It seems to have become €3.9bn before rebate, if that Bloomberg article is right, but it doesn't say why.
It would be nice though if those that bought into the government spin that we would not pay more than £850m now came out and admitted they were wrong.
I sometimes get the impression that if David Cameron said the Earth was flat there would be people arguing until they are blue in the face that he is correct.
Certainly if he said it was round the usual suspects would accuse him of lying.
Do you remember all those people arguing here that we wouldn't get a referendum if the Conservatives won?
Caption: "Hillary reminds me of the character in 'House of Cards,' Claire Underwood, in that she seems like a terrible person on the inside," John Weber said.
I think the killer might eventually turn out to be Mr Bryan Pagliano , who took the Fifth at the Benghazi committee today. Assuming that is the FBI don't indict.
"Two senior analysts at CENTCOM signed a written complaint sent to the Defense Department inspector general in July alleging that the reports, some of which were briefed to President Obama, portrayed the terror groups as weaker than the analysts believe they are. The reports were changed by CENTCOM higher-ups to adhere to the administration’s public line that the U.S. is winning the battle against ISIS and al Nusra, al Qaeda’s branch in Syria, the analysts claim.
That complaint was supported by 50 other analysts, some of whom have complained about politicizing of intelligence reports for months. That’s according to 11 individuals who are knowledgeable about the details of the report and who spoke to The Daily Beast on condition of anonymity.
The accusations suggest that a large number of people tracking the inner workings of the terror groups think that their reports are being manipulated to fit a public narrative. The allegations echoed charges that political appointees and senior officials cherry-picked intelligence about Iraq’s supposed weapons program in 2002 and 2003."
For the first time I'm now worried that Hillary might not make it. After Iraq, accusations of counterfeit intelligence reports to serve or dupe the President is a very sensitive issue, that's a hit for all the Obama White House, Biden included.
It says a lot that "What will be the Hillary killer?" is now a multiple choice question
The Donald strikes again - gives an interview to Rolling Stone -
"Look at that face!" Trump told the magazine while sitting with a Rolling Stone reporter as Fiorina appeared on TV. "Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next president."
"I mean, she's a woman, and I'm not s'posedta say bad things, but really, folks, come on. Are we serious?" Trump said, according to the magazine.
I repeatedly tried to smoke them out by offering up to a £1000 bet at evens, but they all started weaselling at that. Pity. It would have been nice free money.
Edit: Of course they weren't the only ones. Nigel Farage was another:
I think maybe rounding up the likes of Rod and his ilk and then deposing of them quickly might be quite a utilitarian act.
The sooner we are all mixed race and cannot distinguish our nationality from anyone else choosing to move from one country to the next the better. It'll happen, but sadly not in my lifetime. And in the meantime, we have to listen to these terrifying racial undertones from the likes of Rod
Re; the leadership contest. Burnham is finished and can join Ed in the wastelands. He'll likely play some kind of role under Jezza, but that is as far as it goes for him. Kendall, is likely to play a prominent role in future years, but she lacks the qualities to be leader and would be ill advised to fight again. Yvette....Yvette lives to fight another day and may well be Labour leader in 2020- between her, a returned David Miliband and possibly Chuka, or Jarvis.
'The corpse of a three-year-old child has been exploited to facilitate an invasion of economic migrants, not “desperate refugees” but aggressive, backpacking young males on the make. Why would people be “desperate” to leave Hungary? Desperate people would not throw food and water off trains at Hungarian police. Some of these migrants are richer than poor Hungarians... 'The terrifying reality is that Europe is the target of a vast, seismic migratory movement unparalleled in human history. In total, 60 million people are travelling towards us, 15 million from Africa alone.' http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/08/hungarys-viktor-orban-sole-voice-of-sanity-in-the-eu-tells-the-truth-on-immigration/
Chancers?
You poor naïve soul.
Do you really think the Islamists will let there be a world where everyone is of mixed race
That's the sportsbook price, I'm talking about the exchange price.
Now he's out to 65
As this will affect not one vote as voting has now closed rather an overreaction to a non story. I was about to bet on him on Ladbrokes at 20/1, will now switch to Betfair Exchange (and he has just moved back into 48) https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.103946886
His price has been drifting like a bloody barge long before the story broke.
In fact probably since the polls closed I think.
Good, as I have just bet on him, certainly far better to bet on him now than earlier in the campaign when he was frontrunner. Counting has not even started yet and not one vote will have been affected by this story
Counting started today.
Voting closed at midday so really at best nothing but an early trickle
You sound like an elderly man with a prostate problem
The Donald strikes again - gives an interview to Rolling Stone -
"Look at that face!" Trump told the magazine while sitting with a Rolling Stone reporter as Fiorina appeared on TV. "Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next president."
"I mean, she's a woman, and I'm not s'posedta say bad things, but really, folks, come on. Are we serious?" Trump said, according to the magazine.
That there are people out there who actually want to vote for Trump is scary.TYT Referring to someone as 'that'. Jesus.
Be fair, Miss, you were frightened about a Conservative government being elected.
Even I know that Cameron's Conservative party is nowhere near as to the right as the GOP base, which Trump is pandering too.
Trump is mimicking Farage
I don't think that's fair at all. Farage has made several predictions about euro collapse and the failures of schengen that have been vindicated as time has progressed - Trump has no such achievements.
At some point though racial, national and reactionary politics will be overtaken by history. You cannot stop it.
I'm quite impatient though. I'd love too see what Europe looks like with 100 million or so Africans and Asians mixing it with us. It's going to happen of course. I'm one of those who just wants to see what it'll be like on the other side without going through the blood, sweat and tears of trying to stop it.
'The corpse of a three-year-old child has been exploited to facilitate an invasion of economic migrants, not “desperate refugees” but aggressive, backpacking young males on the make. Why would people be “desperate” to leave Hungary? Desperate people would not throw food and water off trains at Hungarian police. Some of these migrants are richer than poor Hungarians... 'The terrifying reality is that Europe is the target of a vast, seismic migratory movement unparalleled in human history. In total, 60 million people are travelling towards us, 15 million from Africa alone.' http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/08/hungarys-viktor-orban-sole-voice-of-sanity-in-the-eu-tells-the-truth-on-immigration/
Reminds me of one of the best lines in the Paul Newman classic "Hombre"
Woman; "We have to help, what other choice do we have???!" Newman : "Not help?"
Caption: "Hillary reminds me of the character in 'House of Cards,' Claire Underwood, in that she seems like a terrible person on the inside," John Weber said.
Claire Underwood left Frank just before the NH primary, who knows what she will do in Season 4
I think shedding light on this and all the other hypocrisies and bad behaviour within the Arab world is exactly what's needed. Meanwhile I don't want any more immigration from this unstable part of the world. There are some genuine refugee groups we should help: the Yazidis and Christians. The Muslim world can look after its own, for once.
There are few occasions when I disagree with the thrust of your posts, Mrs Free. And that wasn't one of them.
I think the killer might eventually turn out to be Mr Bryan Pagliano , who took the Fifth at the Benghazi committee today. Assuming that is the FBI don't indict.
"Two senior analysts at CENTCOM signed a written complaint sent to the Defense Department inspector general in July alleging that the reports, some of which were briefed to President Obama, portrayed the terror groups as weaker than the analysts believe they are. The reports were changed by CENTCOM higher-ups to adhere to the administration’s public line that the U.S. is winning the battle against ISIS and al Nusra, al Qaeda’s branch in Syria, the analysts claim.
That complaint was supported by 50 other analysts, some of whom have complained about politicizing of intelligence reports for months. That’s according to 11 individuals who are knowledgeable about the details of the report and who spoke to The Daily Beast on condition of anonymity.
The accusations suggest that a large number of people tracking the inner workings of the terror groups think that their reports are being manipulated to fit a public narrative. The allegations echoed charges that political appointees and senior officials cherry-picked intelligence about Iraq’s supposed weapons program in 2002 and 2003."
For the first time I'm now worried that Hillary might not make it. After Iraq, accusations of counterfeit intelligence reports to serve or dupe the President is a very sensitive issue, that's a hit for all the Obama White House, Biden included.
You are worried that Hilary Clinton may not make it? I am amazed that anyone, especially in the USA, think she ought to. A more ghastly and duplicitous candidate steeped up to the ears in corruption, and with a massive sense of entitlement, it would be hard to imagine. Over here she would have consigned to the political dustbin decades ago.
I never doubted that Hillary would win in 2016 no matter what until now, now though this is a scandal that can grow, if anyone asks her if she doctored, cooked or produced counterfeit intelligence reports for Obama she is finished even if she denies it.
It's short of a constant drip drip of accusations and the smell of scandal that's starting to stick on her, and it sticks because she was Secretary of State and the No.2 person in the Obama administration for 4 years + N.Y Senator for 8 years + Bill Clinton's wife for ages.
At some point though racial, national and reactionary politics will be overtaken by history. You cannot stop it.
I'm quite impatient though. I'd love too see what Europe looks like with 100 million or so Africans and Asians mixing it with us. It's going to happen of course. I'm one of those who just wants to see what it'll be like on the other side without going through the blood, sweat and tears of trying to stop it.
Import a bunch of people from the Third World, expect to see Third World attitudes to women, Third World driving standards, and Third World attitudes to religious freedom - amongst others.
Re; the leadership contest. Burnham is finished and can join Ed in the wastelands. He'll likely play some kind of role under Jezza, but that is as far as it goes for him. Kendall, is likely to play a prominent role in future years, but she lacks the qualities to be leader and would be ill advised to fight again. Yvette....Yvette lives to fight another day and may well be Labour leader in 2020- between her, a returned David Miliband and possibly Chuka, or Jarvis.
Corbyn will last for a couple of years at most.
The result has not even been announced yet, there is still an outside chance Burnham will be leader by Saturday afternoon. Cooper will not be an alternative if Corbyn wins, the only likely alternative would be Johnson, maybe Jarvis
I think that anyone who lost to Corbyn or was embarrassed in the leadership campaign (Umunna) will never be Labour leader. The leader after Corbyn will definitely have to be someone who Corbyn does not disapprove and someone who didn't ran or supported the campaigns of those who ran.
The leader after Corbyn were he deposed would most likely be an elder statesman within the party, it is hard to see past Alan Johnson
At some point though racial, national and reactionary politics will be overtaken by history. You cannot stop it.
I'm quite impatient though. I'd love too see what Europe looks like with 100 million or so Africans and Asians mixing it with us. It's going to happen of course. I'm one of those who just wants to see what it'll be like on the other side without going through the blood, sweat and tears of trying to stop it.
'The corpse of a three-year-old child has been exploited to facilitate an invasion of economic migrants, not “desperate refugees” but aggressive, backpacking young males on the make. Why would people be “desperate” to leave Hungary? Desperate people would not throw food and water off trains at Hungarian police. Some of these migrants are richer than poor Hungarians... 'The terrifying reality is that Europe is the target of a vast, seismic migratory movement unparalleled in human history. In total, 60 million people are travelling towards us, 15 million from Africa alone.' http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/08/hungarys-viktor-orban-sole-voice-of-sanity-in-the-eu-tells-the-truth-on-immigration/
Reminds me of one of the best lines in the Paul Newman classic "Hombre"
Woman; "We have to help, what other choice do we have???!" Newman : "Not help?"
You don't have to wait 100 million years,come to Bradford,I'm sure we can find you a nice little house in inner city Bradford.
The Donald strikes again - gives an interview to Rolling Stone -
"Look at that face!" Trump told the magazine while sitting with a Rolling Stone reporter as Fiorina appeared on TV. "Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next president."
"I mean, she's a woman, and I'm not s'posedta say bad things, but really, folks, come on. Are we serious?" Trump said, according to the magazine.
That there are people out there who actually want to vote for Trump is scary.TYT Referring to someone as 'that'. Jesus.
Be fair, Miss, you were frightened about a Conservative government being elected.
Even I know that Cameron's Conservative party is nowhere near as to the right as the GOP base, which Trump is pandering too.
Trump is mimicking Farage
I don't think that's fair at all. Farage has made several predictions about euro collapse and the failures of schengen that have been vindicated as time has progressed - Trump has no such achievements.
Trump has made several billion dollars unlike Nigel. Both are running campaigns based on anti immigration rhetoric.
'The corpse of a three-year-old child has been exploited to facilitate an invasion of economic migrants, not “desperate refugees” but aggressive, backpacking young males on the make. Why would people be “desperate” to leave Hungary? Desperate people would not throw food and water off trains at Hungarian police. Some of these migrants are richer than poor Hungarians... 'The terrifying reality is that Europe is the target of a vast, seismic migratory movement unparalleled in human history. In total, 60 million people are travelling towards us, 15 million from Africa alone.' http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/08/hungarys-viktor-orban-sole-voice-of-sanity-in-the-eu-tells-the-truth-on-immigration/
We do not have to invite people in. We do not have to facilitate their travel around Europe. We can return those who have arrived back to the countries from whence they came - Turkey, Jordan, Lebanon. We can provide funds to those countries. We can help make sure that refugees are properly cared for, not just dumped in camps. We can put pressure on the rich Arab states to take the burden. We can enforce our borders properly. We can decide whom we want to let in. We can start by putting the interests of European citizens first.
At some point though racial, national and reactionary politics will be overtaken by history. You cannot stop it.
I'm quite impatient though. I'd love too see what Europe looks like with 100 million or so Africans and Asians mixing it with us. It's going to happen of course. I'm one of those who just wants to see what it'll be like on the other side without going through the blood, sweat and tears of trying to stop it.
Import a bunch of people from the Third World, expect to see Third World attitudes to women, Third World driving standards, and Third World attitudes to religious freedom - amongst others.
Charlotte Proudman, 27, who has been building up her media profile for the past three years by writing for the Guardian, the Independent and several magazines, as well as being a guest on BBC Radio 4’s Woman’s Hour, believes men make workplaces a “repugnant world”.
Earlier this year she used the left-wing website Left Foot Forward to explain that she was a campaigner for feminism, not equality, because: “Men live and work in a brutal society, which is maintained through stratified social order based on ritual humiliation, gentleman’s clubs, fights, rites of passage, sexism, and banter.
If men and women were truly equal, she said, “men’s genitals would be sliced up” in the same way that some women are subjected to female genital mutilation (FGM).
A deliciously ironic post, given her surname.
Somehow one doubts that she'd be happy even if every man in the country gifted her their severed penis on a plate, as she seems to yearn for.
Mens genitals are regularly sliced up, not quite as badly as FGM but Male Genital Mutilation has is reasonably close in its limitations on sexual enjoyment and function.
She's still not as bad as the Carolinian student whose paper I posted last night. Here again, in all it's whingy victimhood virtuosity:
[from yesterday's thread] "Oh my word. The article referred to in this article is priceless. But even better are the comments. I particularly like the tips on how to be taken seriously given by Mark Lang."
Okay, that girl really is silly. But 'real' sexism can affect how many people see themselves, and their self-esteem.
Don't dispute that. I am fortunate to have worked with many professional women throughout my career in an environment that generally really does treat them as equals and where sexism is largely absent. One of the many benefits of working in the life sciences.
I think the killer might eventually turn out to be Mr Bryan Pagliano , who took the Fifth at the Benghazi committee today. Assuming that is the FBI don't indict.
"Two senior analysts at CENTCOM signed a written complaint sent to the Defense Department inspector general in July alleging that the reports, some of which were briefed to President Obama, portrayed the terror groups as weaker than the analysts believe they are. The reports were changed by CENTCOM higher-ups to adhere to the administration’s public line that the U.S. is winning the battle against ISIS and al Nusra, al Qaeda’s branch in Syria, the analysts claim.
That complaint was supported by 50 other analysts, some of whom have complained about politicizing of intelligence reports for months. That’s according to 11 individuals who are knowledgeable about the details of the report and who spoke to The Daily Beast on condition of anonymity.
For the first time I'm now worried that Hillary might not make it. After Iraq, accusations of counterfeit intelligence reports to serve or dupe the President is a very sensitive issue, that's a hit for all the Obama White House, Biden included.
You are worried that Hilary Clinton may not make it? I am amazed that anyone, especially in the USA, think she ought to.
I never doubted that Hillary would win in 2016 no matter what until now, now though this is a scandal that can grow, if anyone asks her if she doctored, cooked or produced counterfeit intelligence reports for Obama she is finished even if she denies it.
It's short of a constant drip drip of accusations and the smell of scandal that's starting to stick on her, and it sticks because she was Secretary of State and the No.2 person in the Obama administration for 4 years + N.Y Senator for 8 years + Bill Clinton's wife for ages.
I have always believed Hillary will either win or lose by less than 1% and have not changed by mind, Speedy you seem to have gone from thinking Hillary will win the greatest landslide in history to having no chance without ever reaching anything in between. Presently Clinton leads Trump by 2.4% on the RCP poll average http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_presidential_race.html
I repeatedly tried to smoke them out by offering up to a £1000 bet at evens, but they all started weaselling at that. Pity. It would have been nice free money.
Edit: Of course they weren't the only ones. Nigel Farage was another:
Oh, we can all flag up bets we have offered that were not taken up to prove a point Richard, you must know that!
I thought their argument was that he would try to rig the vote using govt apparatus & leading questioning etc rather than refuse to hold a referendum. Maybe I am misremembering
The Donald strikes again - gives an interview to Rolling Stone -
"Look at that face!" Trump told the magazine while sitting with a Rolling Stone reporter as Fiorina appeared on TV. "Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next president."
"I mean, she's a woman, and I'm not s'posedta say bad things, but really, folks, come on. Are we serious?" Trump said, according to the magazine.
That there are people out there who actually want to vote for Trump is scary. Referring to someone as 'that'. Jesus.
What's scary is that the number of those who want to vote for Trump is going up. He's now at 32% among Republicans.
Do you think Trump will be the GOP's candidate for 2016?
Personally I don't know who it will be, it's too early, however I have the feeling that it won't be those who poll 2% or less and Jeb Bush. Trump currently is far superior than the other 16 in a Corbyn like way and he hates the Bush family to the point were it doesn't matter for Trump if he wins or loses as long as he crushes Jeb Bush, behold :
The State Department has hired a 'transparency czar' to handle records requests, including for Hillary's emails. Her name is Janice Jacobs, and - you guessed it - she's a Hillary donor.
Do you see Clinton dropping out? The email scandal is not going away and is getting worse by the day.
Well within the bounds of possibility. Were she not the "fightiest fighter that ever fought a fight", I would say it would be an odds-on probability. But she is that fighter, and so may continue oblivious to the obvious.
Agree completely. She is doggedly persistent and will only drop out if -
1) Her numbers just blow up completely - possible but so far unlikely 2) It becomes obvious during the primaries that she cannot win 3) The FBI indicts her
The email scandal has now been going on for over 6 months.
Been traveling a lot, and rationing my catch up watching. No to binge watching!
Binge watch Madam Secretary, you'll enjoy that.
About a former CIA operative who becomes Secretary of State.
I have watched it. Was very skeptical at first, but it grew on me. That and watching Tea Leoni ... I'll never forget her role in Flirting with Disaster (the scene in black lingerie to be precise)
Charlotte Proudman, 27, who has been building up her media profile for the past three years by writing for the Guardian, the Independent and several magazines, as well as being a guest on BBC Radio 4’s Woman’s Hour, believes men make workplaces a “repugnant world”.
Earlier this year she used the left-wing website Left Foot Forward to explain that she was a campaigner for feminism, not equality, because: “Men live and work in a brutal society, which is maintained through stratified social order based on ritual humiliation, gentleman’s clubs, fights, rites of passage, sexism, and banter.
If men and women were truly equal, she said, “men’s genitals would be sliced up” in the same way that some women are subjected to female genital mutilation (FGM).
A deliciously ironic post, given her surname.
Somehow one doubts that she'd be happy even if every man in the country gifted her their severed penis on a plate, as she seems to yearn for.
Her birth name was Bailye, but she changed it to Proudman 2 years ago...
Been traveling a lot, and rationing my catch up watching. No to binge watching!
Binge watch Madam Secretary, you'll enjoy that.
About a former CIA operative who becomes Secretary of State.
I have watched it. Was very skeptical at first, but it grew on me. That and watching Tea Leoni ... I'll never forget her role in Flirting with Disaster (the scene in black lingerie to be precise)
Some pitiful swallowing of Dave and Georges spin on that thread wasn't there?
Just political jousting :-)
For what it's worth, I think we're primed to vote Out now.
That's my intention unless things change markedly. There's never anything positive coming from the EU. It's an economic and social mess.
Ha fair do's
Lots of people on here now say they are drawn to voting out, which can only be good for the cause. Strange how Farage is still so disliked by non kippers... many of the things he warned of, dismissed as scaremongering, have come to pass and are the reason for peoples change of heart/mind
ANECDOTE ALERT, but for some people I know, the things that really put them off Farage/UKIP were the comments about gay marriage causing floods, and Farage's comments about breastfeeding. Even for people who think UKIP have a point about immigration, I feel like those two incidents made people think they were pretty weird and stuffy.
And sadly, though much of it was exceedingly unfair, that's the perception of him now, and it is fixed, he is damaged goods. He will be liked again when he is publicly dissociated from the leadership. Like everyone thought William Hague was a horrid little toad when he was Tory leader, but he became much more likeable after defeat.
Don't be rude about Hague. He won me a crate a good claret as he matured.
I never doubted that Hillary would win in 2016 no matter what until now, now though this is a scandal that can grow, if anyone asks her if she doctored, cooked or produced counterfeit intelligence reports for Obama she is finished even if she denies it.
It's short of a constant drip drip of accusations and the smell of scandal that's starting to stick on her, and it sticks because she was Secretary of State and the No.2 person in the Obama administration for 4 years + N.Y Senator for 8 years + Bill Clinton's wife for ages.
You may not have doubted it, but was it an outcome that you hoped for, other than for financial reasons of course. If you have money riding on her fair go but is she really the sort of person you think should achieve the "ultimate office". I mean really with all the scandals that have dogged her for decades, nevermind the latest set of revelations, do you think she is suitable?
Caption: "Hillary reminds me of the character in 'House of Cards,' Claire Underwood, in that she seems like a terrible person on the inside," John Weber said.
I think the killer might eventually turn out to be Mr Bryan Pagliano , who took the Fifth at the Benghazi committee today. Assuming that is the FBI don't indict.
"Two senior analysts at CENTCOM signed a written complaint sent to the Defense Department inspector general in July alleging that the reports, some of which were briefed to President Obama, portrayed the terror groups as weaker than the analysts believe they are. The reports were changed by CENTCOM higher-ups to adhere to the administration’s public line that the U.S. is winning the battle against ISIS and al Nusra, al Qaeda’s branch in Syria, the analysts claim.
That complaint was supported by 50 other analysts, some of whom have complained about politicizing of intelligence reports for months. That’s according to 11 individuals who are knowledgeable about the details of the report and who spoke to The Daily Beast on condition of anonymity.
The accusations suggest that a large number of people tracking the inner workings of the terror groups think that their reports are being manipulated to fit a public narrative. The allegations echoed charges that political appointees and senior officials cherry-picked intelligence about Iraq’s supposed weapons program in 2002 and 2003."
For the first time I'm now worried that Hillary might not make it. After Iraq, accusations of counterfeit intelligence reports to serve or dupe the President is a very sensitive issue, that's a hit for all the Obama White House, Biden included.
This is Defense, not State. It is Ash Carter's department, not Hillary's. It should not affect Hillary's chances.
Been traveling a lot, and rationing my catch up watching. No to binge watching!
Binge watch Madam Secretary, you'll enjoy that.
About a former CIA operative who becomes Secretary of State.
I have watched it. Was very skeptical at first, but it grew on me. That and watching Tea Leoni ... I'll never forget her role in Flirting with Disaster (the scene in black lingerie to be precise)
Yeah, Tea Leoni does float my boat.
Is why I hate David Duchovny
She's having a fling currently with her co-star on the show, having split with Duchovny
Been traveling a lot, and rationing my catch up watching. No to binge watching!
Binge watch Madam Secretary, you'll enjoy that.
About a former CIA operative who becomes Secretary of State.
I have watched it. Was very skeptical at first, but it grew on me. That and watching Tea Leoni ... I'll never forget her role in Flirting with Disaster (the scene in black lingerie to be precise)
Yeah, Tea Leoni does float my boat.
Is why I hate David Duchovny
She's having a fling currently with her co-star on the show, having split with Duchovny
I think the killer might eventually turn out to be Mr Bryan Pagliano , who took the Fifth at the Benghazi committee today. Assuming that is the FBI don't indict.
"Two senior analysts at CENTCOM signed a written complaint sent to the Defense Department inspector general in July alleging that the reports, some of which were briefed to President Obama, portrayed the terror groups as weaker than the analysts believe they are. The reports were changed by CENTCOM higher-ups to adhere to the administration’s public line that the U.S. is winning the battle against ISIS and al Nusra, al Qaeda’s branch in Syria, the analysts claim.
That complaint was supported by 50 other analysts, some of whom have complained about politicizing of intelligence reports for months. That’s according to 11 individuals who are knowledgeable about the details of the report and who spoke to The Daily Beast on condition of anonymity.
For the first time I'm now worried that Hillary might not make it. After Iraq, accusations of counterfeit intelligence reports to serve or dupe the President is a very sensitive issue, that's a hit for all the Obama White House, Biden included.
You are worried that Hilary Clinton may not make it? I am amazed that anyone, especially in the USA, think she ought to.
I never doubted that Hillary would win in 2016 no matter what until now, now though this is a scandal that can grow, if anyone asks her if she doctored, cooked or produced counterfeit intelligence reports for Obama she is finished even if she denies it.
It's short of a constant drip drip of accusations and the smell of scandal that's starting to stick on her, and it sticks because she was Secretary of State and the No.2 person in the Obama administration for 4 years + N.Y Senator for 8 years + Bill Clinton's wife for ages.
I have always believed Hillary will either win or lose by less than 1% and have not changed by mind, Speedy you seem to have gone from thinking Hillary will win the greatest landslide in history to having no chance without ever reaching anything in between. Presently Clinton leads Trump by 2.4% on the RCP poll average http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_presidential_race.html
I said that I have now doubts, of course she has a chance but today is the first day were I'm not 100% sure anymore.
I think the killer might eventually turn out to be Mr Bryan Pagliano , who took the Fifth at the Benghazi committee today. Assuming that is the FBI don't indict.
"Two senior analysts at CENTCOM signed a written complaint sent to the Defense Department inspector general in July alleging that the reports, some of which were briefed to President Obama, portrayed the terror groups as weaker than the analysts believe they are. The reports were changed by CENTCOM higher-ups to adhere to the administration’s public line that the U.S. is winning the battle against ISIS and al Nusra, al Qaeda’s branch in Syria, the analysts claim.
That complaint was supported by 50 other analysts, some of whom have complained about politicizing of intelligence reports for months. That’s according to 11 individuals who are knowledgeable about the details of the report and who spoke to The Daily Beast on condition of anonymity.
For the first time I'm now worried that Hillary might not make it. After Iraq, accusations of counterfeit intelligence reports to serve or dupe the President is a very sensitive issue, that's a hit for all the Obama White House, Biden included.
You are worried that Hilary Clinton may not make it? I am amazed that anyone, especially in the USA, think she ought to.
I never doubted that Hillary would win in 2016 no matter what until now, now though this is a scandal that can grow, if anyone asks her if she doctored, cooked or produced counterfeit intelligence reports for Obama she is finished even if she denies it.
It's short of a constant drip drip of accusations and the smell of scandal that's starting to stick on her, and it sticks because she was Secretary of State and the No.2 person in the Obama administration for 4 years + N.Y Senator for 8 years + Bill Clinton's wife for ages.
I have always believed Hillary will either win or lose by less than 1% and have not changed by mind,
I said that I have now doubts, of course she has a chance but today is the first day were I'm not 100% sure anymore.
She is the Democratic Nixon with lots of baggage too, you either love her or loathe her, there is little in between, she has a low ceiling but a high floor
Caption: "Hillary reminds me of the character in 'House of Cards,' Claire Underwood, in that she seems like a terrible person on the inside," John Weber said.
I think the killer might eventually turn out to be Mr Bryan Pagliano , who took the Fifth at the Benghazi committee today. Assuming that is the FBI don't indict.
"Two senior analysts at CENTCOM signed a written complaint sent to the Defense Department inspector general in July alleging that the reports, some of which were briefed to President Obama, portrayed the terror groups as weaker than the analysts believe they are. The reports were changed by CENTCOM higher-ups to adhere to the administration’s public line that the U.S. is winning the battle against ISIS and al Nusra, al Qaeda’s branch in Syria, the analysts claim.
That complaint was supported by 50 other analysts, some of whom have complained about politicizing of intelligence reports for months. That’s according to 11 individuals who are knowledgeable about the details of the report and who spoke to The Daily Beast on condition of anonymity.
The accusations suggest that a large number of people tracking the inner workings of the terror groups think that their reports are being manipulated to fit a public narrative. The allegations echoed charges that political appointees and senior officials cherry-picked intelligence about Iraq’s supposed weapons program in 2002 and 2003."
For the first time I'm now worried that Hillary might not make it. After Iraq, accusations of counterfeit intelligence reports to serve or dupe the President is a very sensitive issue, that's a hit for all the Obama White House, Biden included.
This is Defense, not State. It is Ash Carter's department, not Hillary's. It should not affect Hillary's chances.
And the Director of National Intelligence, a position created post 9/11 to integrate the product of all agencies from all Departments.
Charlotte Proudman, 27, who has been building up her media profile for the past three years by writing for the Guardian, the Independent and several magazines, as well as being a guest on BBC Radio 4’s Woman’s Hour, believes men make workplaces a “repugnant world”.
Earlier this year she used the left-wing website Left Foot Forward to explain that she was a campaigner for feminism, not equality, because: “Men live and work in a brutal society, which is maintained through stratified social order based on ritual humiliation, gentleman’s clubs, fights, rites of passage, sexism, and banter.
If men and women were truly equal, she said, “men’s genitals would be sliced up” in the same way that some women are subjected to female genital mutilation (FGM).
A deliciously ironic post, given her surname.
Somehow one doubts that she'd be happy even if every man in the country gifted her their severed penis on a plate, as she seems to yearn for.
Mens genitals are regularly sliced up, not quite as badly as FGM but Male Genital Mutilation has is reasonably close in its limitations on sexual enjoyment and function.
She's still not as bad as the Carolinian student whose paper I posted last night. Here again, in all it's whingy victimhood virtuosity:
[from yesterday's thread] "Oh my word. The article referred to in this article is priceless. But even better are the comments. I particularly like the tips on how to be taken seriously given by Mark Lang."
I think the killer might eventually turn out to be Mr Bryan Pagliano , who took the Fifth at the Benghazi committee today. Assuming that is the FBI don't indict.
"Two senior analysts at CENTCOM signed a written complaint sent to the Defense Department inspector general in July alleging that the reports, some of which were briefed to President Obama, portrayed the terror groups as weaker than the analysts believe they are. The reports were changed by CENTCOM higher-ups to adhere to the administration’s public line that the U.S. is winning the battle against ISIS and al Nusra, al Qaeda’s branch in Syria, the analysts claim.
That complaint was supported by 50 other analysts, some of whom have complained about politicizing of intelligence reports for months. That’s according to 11 individuals who are knowledgeable about the details of the report and who spoke to The Daily Beast on condition of anonymity.
For the first time I'm now worried that Hillary might not make it. After Iraq, accusations of counterfeit intelligence reports to serve or dupe the President is a very sensitive issue, that's a hit for all the Obama White House, Biden included.
You are worried that Hilary Clinton may not make it? I am amazed that anyone, especially in the USA, think she ought to.
I never doubted that Hillary would win in 2016 no matter what until now, now though this is a scandal that can grow, if anyone asks her if she doctored, cooked or produced counterfeit intelligence reports for Obama she is finished even if she denies it.
It's short of a constant drip drip of accusations and the smell of scandal that's starting to stick on her, and it sticks because she was Secretary of State and the No.2 person in the Obama administration for 4 years + N.Y Senator for 8 years + Bill Clinton's wife for ages.
I have always believed Hillary will either win or lose by less than 1% and have not changed by mind,
I said that I have now doubts, of course she has a chance but today is the first day were I'm not 100% sure anymore.
She is the Democratic Nixon with lots of baggage too, you either love her or loathe her, there is little in between, she has a low ceiling but a high floor
I think the killer might eventually turn out to be Mr Bryan Pagliano , who took the Fifth at the Benghazi committee today. Assuming that is the FBI don't indict.
"Two senior analysts at CENTCOM signed a written complaint sent to the Defense Department inspector general in July alleging that the reports, some of which were briefed to President Obama, portrayed the terror groups as weaker than the analysts believe they are. The reports were changed by CENTCOM higher-ups to adhere to the administration’s public line that the U.S. is winning the battle against ISIS and al Nusra, al Qaeda’s branch in Syria, the analysts claim.
That complaint was supported by 50 other analysts, some of whom have complained about politicizing of intelligence reports for months. That’s according to 11 individuals who are knowledgeable about the details of the report and who spoke to The Daily Beast on condition of anonymity.
The accusations suggest that a large number of people tracking the inner workings of the terror groups think that their reports are being manipulated to fit a public narrative. The allegations echoed charges that political appointees and senior officials cherry-picked intelligence about Iraq’s supposed weapons program in 2002 and 2003."
For the first time I'm now worried that Hillary might not make it. After Iraq, accusations of counterfeit intelligence reports to serve or dupe the President is a very sensitive issue, that's a hit for all the Obama White House, Biden included.
This is Defense, not State. It is Ash Carter's department, not Hillary's. It should not affect Hillary's chances.
A scandal in the administration is a scandal in the administration, and questions will be asked if the doctoring of reports happened at the State Department too, or if others outside of the Pentagon ordered those fake reports to be issued, like someone from the White House. Karl Rove's head rolled over the mess of the Iraq reports and the Plame affair. Alastair Campbell's head also rolled due to the dodgy Iraq dossier. There is strong precedent to think that this scandal will probably have a large impact.
Someone asked them to alter their intelligence reports or counterfeited them to suit their own political needs and narrative, who where they? We might find out, but a scandal of that size in an election year in America might be the final straw for Hillary.
Charlotte Proudman, 27, who has been building up her media profile for the past three years by writing for the Guardian, the Independent and several magazines, as well as being a guest on BBC Radio 4’s Woman’s Hour, believes men make workplaces a “repugnant world”.
Earlier this year she used the left-wing website Left Foot Forward to explain that she was a campaigner for feminism, not equality, because: “Men live and work in a brutal society, which is maintained through stratified social order based on ritual humiliation, gentleman’s clubs, fights, rites of passage, sexism, and banter.
If men and women were truly equal, she said, “men’s genitals would be sliced up” in the same way that some women are subjected to female genital mutilation (FGM).
A deliciously ironic post, given her surname.
Somehow one doubts that she'd be happy even if every man in the country gifted her their severed penis on a plate, as she seems to yearn for.
Mens genitals are regularly sliced up, not quite as badly as FGM but Male Genital Mutilation has is reasonably close in its limitations on sexual enjoyment and function.
She's still not as bad as the Carolinian student whose paper I posted last night. Here again, in all it's whingy victimhood virtuosity:
[from yesterday's thread] "Oh my word. The article referred to in this article is priceless. But even better are the comments. I particularly like the tips on how to be taken seriously given by Mark Lang."
I enjoyed the article - but couldn't find the comment by Mark Lang!
Something to the effect of "How to be taken seriously. 1. Never write an article like that again. 2. Never have a thought included in that article again."
It would be nice though if those that bought into the government spin that we would not pay more than £850m now came out and admitted they were wrong.
Very happy to, if that is the case. At the moment, it is clear as mud.
Maybe Bloomberg mean that the UK paid a total of €3.9bn in July and September, comprising the routine payments and the €2.1bn extra back-payment, and then we'll get the rebate on the €2.1bn, which would be consistent with what was being said originally. Dunno. And nor does anyone else here, as far as I can see.
From the time of the argument, October 2014
"The bill is in fact more than the €2.1 billion referred previously. The total due on 1 December is actually €3.591 billion, EU sources explained."
The UK would however receive a one-off rebate of €1.491 billion under a separate amended budget for 2014 currently under negotiation, and expected to be agreed on before the December deadline. That amended budget would reduce the amount owed to €2.1 billion.
I think the killer might eventually turn out to be Mr Bryan Pagliano , who took the Fifth at the Benghazi committee today. Assuming that is the FBI don't indict.
"Two senior analysts at CENTCOM signed a written complaint sent to the Defense Department inspector general in July alleging that the reports, some of which were briefed to President Obama, portrayed the terror groups as weaker than the analysts believe they are. The reports were changed by CENTCOM higher-ups to adhere to the administration’s public line that the U.S. is winning the battle against ISIS and al Nusra, al Qaeda’s branch in Syria, the analysts claim.
That complaint was supported by 50 other analysts, some of whom have complained about politicizing of intelligence reports for months. That’s according to 11 individuals who are knowledgeable about the details of the report and who spoke to The Daily Beast on condition of anonymity.
For the first time I'm now worried that Hillary might not make it. After Iraq, accusations of counterfeit intelligence reports to serve or dupe the President is a very sensitive issue, that's a hit for all the Obama White House, Biden included.
You are worried that Hilary Clinton may not make it? I am amazed that anyone, especially in the USA, think she ought to.
It's short of a constant drip drip of accusations and the smell of scandal that's starting to stick on her, and it sticks because she was Secretary of State and the No.2 person in the Obama administration for 4 years + N.Y Senator for 8 years + Bill Clinton's wife for ages.
I have always believed Hillary will either win or lose by less than 1% and have not changed by mind,
I said that I have now doubts, of course she has a chance but today is the first day were I'm not 100% sure anymore.
She is the Democratic Nixon with lots of baggage too, you either love her or loathe her, there is little in between, she has a low ceiling but a high floor
Some pitiful swallowing of Dave and Georges spin on that thread wasn't there?
Just political jousting :-)
For what it's worth, I think we're primed to vote Out now.
That's my intention unless things change markedly. There's never anything positive coming from the EU. It's an economic and social mess.
Ha fair do's
Lots of people on here now say they are drawn to voting out, which can only be good for the cause. Strange how Farage is still so disliked by non kippers... many of the things he warned of, dismissed as scaremongering, have come to pass and are the reason for peoples change of heart/mind
ANECDOTE ALERT, but for some people I know, the things that really put them off Farage/UKIP were the comments about gay marriage causing floods, and Farage's comments about breastfeeding. Even for people who think UKIP have a point about immigration, I feel like those two incidents made people think they were pretty weird and stuffy.
And sadly, though much of it was exceedingly unfair, that's the perception of him now, and it is fixed, he is damaged goods. He will be liked again when he is publicly dissociated from the leadership. Like everyone thought William Hague was a horrid little toad when he was Tory leader, but he became much more likeable after defeat.
Don't be rude about Hague. He won me a crate a good claret as he matured.
Perhaps, Mr. Charles, if there had been some wise old heads capable of taking a longer view in the Conservative Party in 1997 - the sort of chaps that used to be described as the men in grey suits - then Hague would have been kept on the shelf for a few years. To mature, you understand, to be given time to develop his undoubted talents. Had that had happened, who knows, he might have made a very, very good leader and possibly a fine PM. As it was, like a precocious horse, his handlers ruined him by entering him too early.
I blame the old families for relinquishing their grip.
Charlotte Proudman, 27, who has been building up her media profile for the past three years by writing for the Guardian, the Independent and several magazines, as well as being a guest on BBC Radio 4’s Woman’s Hour, believes men make workplaces a “repugnant world”.
Earlier this year she used the left-wing website Left Foot Forward to explain that she was a campaigner for feminism, not equality, because: “Men live and work in a brutal society, which is maintained through stratified social order based on ritual humiliation, gentleman’s clubs, fights, rites of passage, sexism, and banter.
If men and women were truly equal, she said, “men’s genitals would be sliced up” in the same way that some women are subjected to female genital mutilation (FGM).
A deliciously ironic post, given her surname.
Somehow one doubts that she'd be happy even if every man in the country gifted her their severed penis on a plate, as she seems to yearn for.
Her birth name was Bailye, but she changed it to Proudman 2 years ago...
Bloody daft to put your photo on LinkedIn.
The solicitor may have been crass but there are better ways of fending off unwanted advances than the way she chose. Gentle mockery, for instance. Or even better: simply ignoring him.
I think the killer might eventually turn out to be Mr Bryan Pagliano , who took the Fifth at the Benghazi committee today. Assuming that is the FBI don't indict.
"Two senior analysts at CENTCOM signed a written complaint sent to the Defense Department inspector general in July alleging that the reports, some of which were briefed to President Obama, portrayed the terror groups as weaker than the analysts believe they are. The reports were changed by CENTCOM higher-ups to adhere to the administration’s public line that the U.S. is winning the battle against ISIS and al Nusra, al Qaeda’s branch in Syria, the analysts claim.
That complaint was supported by 50 other analysts, some of whom have complained about politicizing of intelligence reports for months. That’s according to 11 individuals who are knowledgeable about the details of the report and who spoke to The Daily Beast on condition of anonymity.
For the first time I'm now worried that Hillary might not make it. After Iraq, accusations of counterfeit intelligence reports to serve or dupe the President is a very sensitive issue, that's a hit for all the Obama White House, Biden included.
You are worried that Hilary Clinton may not make it? I am amazed that anyone, especially in the USA, think she ought to.
I never doubted that Hillary would win in 2016 no matter what until now, now though this is a scandal that can grow, if anyone asks her if she doctored, cooked or produced counterfeit intelligence reports for Obama she is finished even if she denies it.
It's short of a constant drip drip of accusations and the smell of scandal that's starting to stick on her, and it sticks because she was Secretary of State and the No.2 person in the Obama administration for 4 years + N.Y Senator for 8 years + Bill Clinton's wife for ages.
I said that I have now doubts, of course she has a chance but today is the first day were I'm not 100% sure anymore.
But nothing happened today except server guy taking the 5th which we knew in advance anyway.
It's not the average that is important but the trend. All her trends are bad: VI in NH and Iowa, overall lead in the general, trustworthiness, lying, honesty, passionate for, passionate against - all are trending against her.
Been traveling a lot, and rationing my catch up watching. No to binge watching!
Binge watch Madam Secretary, you'll enjoy that.
About a former CIA operative who becomes Secretary of State.
I have watched it. Was very skeptical at first, but it grew on me. That and watching Tea Leoni ... I'll never forget her role in Flirting with Disaster (the scene in black lingerie to be precise)
Charlotte Proudman, 27, who has been building up her media profile for the past three years by writing for the Guardian, the Independent and several magazines, as well as being a guest on BBC Radio 4’s Woman’s Hour, believes men make workplaces a “repugnant world”.
Earlier this year she used the left-wing website Left Foot Forward to explain that she was a campaigner for feminism, not equality, because: “Men live and work in a brutal society, which is maintained through stratified social order based on ritual humiliation, gentleman’s clubs, fights, rites of passage, sexism, and banter.
If men and women were truly equal, she said, “men’s genitals would be sliced up” in the same way that some women are subjected to female genital mutilation (FGM).
A deliciously ironic post, given her surname.
Somehow one doubts that she'd be happy even if every man in the country gifted her their severed penis on a plate, as she seems to yearn for.
Her birth name was Bailye, but she changed it to Proudman 2 years ago...
Bloody daft to put your photo on LinkedIn.
The solicitor may have been crass but there are better ways of fending off unwanted advances than the way she chose. Gentle mockery, for instance. Or even better: simply ignoring him.
What is LinkedIn but a Facebook for even bigger pseuds than are on Facebook?
I've had a few weird messages on it myself. All from women. Fake profile, fake name, etc. I set it up just to see what rubbish got trawled up!
Been traveling a lot, and rationing my catch up watching. No to binge watching!
Binge watch Madam Secretary, you'll enjoy that.
About a former CIA operative who becomes Secretary of State.
I have watched it. Was very skeptical at first, but it grew on me. That and watching Tea Leoni ... I'll never forget her role in Flirting with Disaster (the scene in black lingerie to be precise)
Some pitiful swallowing of Dave and Georges spin on that thread wasn't there?
Just political jousting :-)
For what it's worth, I think we're primed to vote Out now.
That's my intention unless things change markedly. There's never anything positive coming from the EU. It's an economic and social mess.
Ha fair do's
Lots of people on here now say they are drawn to voting out, which can only be good for the cause. Strange how Farage is still so disliked by non kippers... many of the things he warned of, dismissed as scaremongering, have come to pass and are the reason for peoples change of heart/mind
ANECDOTE ALERT, but for some people I know, the things that really put them off Farage/UKIP were the comments about gay marriage causing floods, and Farage's comments about breastfeeding. Even for people who think UKIP have a point about immigration, I feel like those two incidents made people think they were pretty weird and stuffy.
And sadly, though much of it was exceedingly unfair, that's the perception of him now, and it is fixed, he is damaged goods. He will be liked again when he is publicly dissociated from the leadership. Like everyone thought William Hague was a horrid little toad when he was Tory leader, but he became much more likeable after defeat.
Don't be rude about Hague. He won me a crate a good claret as he matured.
Perhaps, Mr. Charles, if there had been some wise old heads capable of taking a longer view in the Conservative Party in 1997 - the sort of chaps that used to be described as the men in grey suits - then Hague would have been kept on the shelf for a few years. To mature, you understand, to be given time to develop his undoubted talents. Had that had happened, who knows, he might have made a very, very good leader and possibly a fine PM. As it was, like a precocious horse, his handlers ruined him by entering him too early.
I blame the old families for relinquishing their grip.
We weren't wanted any more. So we found other ways to serve.
I think the killer might eventually turn out to be Mr Bryan Pagliano , who took the Fifth at the Benghazi committee today. Assuming that is the FBI don't indict.
For the first time I'm now worried that Hillary might not make it. After Iraq, accusations of counterfeit intelligence reports to serve or dupe the President is a very sensitive issue, that's a hit for all the Obama White House, Biden included.
This is Defense, not State. It is Ash Carter's department, not Hillary's. It should not affect Hillary's chances.
A scandal in the administration is a scandal in the administration, and questions will be asked if the doctoring of reports happened at the State Department too, or if others outside of the Pentagon ordered those fake reports to be issued, like someone from the White House. Karl Rove's head rolled over the mess of the Iraq reports and the Plame affair. Alastair Campbell's head also rolled due to the dodgy Iraq dossier. There is strong precedent to think that this scandal will probably have a large impact.
Someone asked them to alter their intelligence reports or counterfeited them to suit their own political needs and narrative, who where they? We might find out, but a scandal of that size in an election year in America might be the final straw for Hillary.
It won't. I don't think there's much doubt that this came from the White House. They have done this before - remember how intel was changed to reflect Obama's 2012 campaign mantra that Al Queda was on the run? I would venture a guess that Ben Rhodes was involved. Hillary is out of office so this won't affect her.
A scandal in the administration is a scandal in the administration, and questions will be asked if the doctoring of reports happened at the State Department too, or if others outside of the Pentagon ordered those fake reports to be issued, like someone from the White House. Karl Rove's head rolled over the mess of the Iraq reports and the Plame affair. Alastair Campbell's head also rolled due to the dodgy Iraq dossier. There is strong precedent to think that this scandal will probably have a large impact.
Someone asked them to alter their intelligence reports or counterfeited them to suit their own political needs and narrative, who where they? We might find out, but a scandal of that size in an election year in America might be the final straw for Hillary.
For me, the question to State should be "Were there standing instructions to remove classification markings from emails forwarded to Clinton and/or her close aides?" State is doing its utmost to protect her at the moment - not surprising given the (unfathomable to me) hagiolatry of the Department during her tenure.
Charlotte Proudman, 27, who has been building up her media profile for the past three years by writing for the Guardian, the Independent and several magazines, as well as being a guest on BBC Radio 4’s Woman’s Hour, believes men make workplaces a “repugnant world”.
Earlier this year she used the left-wing website Left Foot Forward to explain that she was a campaigner for feminism, not equality, because: “Men live and work in a brutal society, which is maintained through stratified social order based on ritual humiliation, gentleman’s clubs, fights, rites of passage, sexism, and banter.
If men and women were truly equal, she said, “men’s genitals would be sliced up” in the same way that some women are subjected to female genital mutilation (FGM).
A deliciously ironic post, given her surname.
Somehow one doubts that she'd be happy even if every man in the country gifted her their severed penis on a plate, as she seems to yearn for.
Her birth name was Bailye, but she changed it to Proudman 2 years ago...
Bloody daft to put your photo on LinkedIn.
The solicitor may have been crass but there are better ways of fending off unwanted advances than the way she chose. Gentle mockery, for instance. Or even better: simply ignoring him.
It's thoroughly obnoxious.
I thought her response was po-faced and pompous, but if she had kept it private that would have been fine.
It's not the average that is important but the trend. All her trends are bad: VI in NH and Iowa, overall lead in the general, trustworthiness, lying, honesty, passionate for, passionate against - all are trending against her.
Hillary has always will be seen as untrustworthy but tough, has and always will have people strongly for and strongly against. She is unlikely to go over 50% ever unless against an extremely far out Republican and unlikely ever to fall below 45%, and the poll average still shows that despite everything which has happened, as I have said if she wins or loses it will be by less than 1%, if any more revelations are totally fatal she will not be nominee anyway
The Donald strikes again - gives an interview to Rolling Stone -
"Look at that face!" Trump told the magazine while sitting with a Rolling Stone reporter as Fiorina appeared on TV. "Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next president."
"I mean, she's a woman, and I'm not s'posedta say bad things, but really, folks, come on. Are we serious?" Trump said, according to the magazine.
That there are people out there who actually want to vote for Trump is scary.TYT Referring to someone as 'that'. Jesus.
Be fair, Miss, you were frightened about a Conservative government being elected.
Even I know that Cameron's Conservative party is nowhere near as to the right as the GOP base, which Trump is pandering too.
Trump is mimicking Farage
I don't think that's fair at all. Farage has made several predictions about euro collapse and the failures of schengen that have been vindicated as time has progressed - Trump has no such achievements.
? The Tories got an opt out to Schengen - thats' not the act of a party that has faith in it. The Tories campaigned on 'saving the pound' in 2001. That's not the act of a party which had faith in the Euro. Farage is nowhere - except in your rewriting of history.
It's not the average that is important but the trend. All her trends are bad: VI in NH and Iowa, overall lead in the general, trustworthiness, lying, honesty, passionate for, passionate against - all are trending against her.
Hillary has always will be seen as untrustworthy but tough, has and always will have people strongly for and strongly against. She is unlikely to go over 50% ever unless against an extremely far out Republican and unlikely ever to fall below 45%, and the poll average still shows that despite everything which has happened, as I have said if she wins or loses it will be by less than 1%, if any more revelations are totally fatal she will not be nominee anyway
Britain Elects @britainelects 42s42 seconds ago Fant (Maidstone) result: CON - 27.1% (-2.6) LDEM - 24.1% (+2.1) LAB - 20.0% (-0.3) GRN - 14.2% (+3.9) UKIP - 10.2% (-7.3) IND - 4.3% (+4.3)
The lds continue to advance. Sort of. I declare this slight increase in a council seat even though not won as irrefutable proof of a quick parliamentary recovery.
"Two senior analysts at CENTCOM signed a written complaint sent to the Defense Department inspector general in July alleging that the reports, some of which were briefed to President Obama, portrayed the terror groups as weaker than the analysts believe they are. The reports were changed by CENTCOM higher-ups to adhere to the administration’s public line that the U.S. is winning the battle against ISIS and al Nusra, al Qaeda’s branch in Syria, the analysts claim.
That complaint was supported by 50 other analysts, some of whom have complained about politicizing of intelligence reports for months. That’s according to 11 individuals who are knowledgeable about the details of the report and who spoke to The Daily Beast on condition of anonymity.
The accusations suggest that a large number of people tracking the inner workings of the terror groups think that their reports are being manipulated to fit a public narrative. The allegations echoed charges that political appointees and senior officials cherry-picked intelligence about Iraq’s supposed weapons program in 2002 and 2003."
For the first time I'm now worried that Hillary might not make it. After Iraq, accusations of counterfeit intelligence reports to serve or dupe the President is a very sensitive issue, that's a hit for all the Obama White House, Biden included. </blockquote
Intelligence community reports in the US are often highly politicised because you have a series of organisations all of whom are competing to put their own stamp on items and as a result some are quite happy to play the political game.
For example assessments of the situation in Syria from two particular agencies have varied dramatically from each other at different times.
And on the Syrian note there is now a clear disposition and list of Russian forces in or headed for Syria. Their involvement has not yet fully begun. The US can't claim surprise, the Russians pretty much warned them what was coming. The Israelis, who have a very strong intelligence grasp on Syria were well aware of it.
Strangely though few appear to have noticed Western fighting forces running around in vehicles in parts of Iraq and there are just as many of them as there are Russians in Syria right now. .
It's not the average that is important but the trend. All her trends are bad: VI in NH and Iowa, overall lead in the general, trustworthiness, lying, honesty, passionate for, passionate against - all are trending against her.
Hillary has always will be seen as untrustworthy but tough, has and always will have people strongly for and strongly against. She is unlikely to go over 50% ever unless against an extremely far out Republican and unlikely ever to fall below 45%, and the poll average still shows that despite everything which has happened, as I have said if she wins or loses it will be by less than 1%, if any more revelations are totally fatal she will not be nominee anyway
Once again, we simply disagree
Well I have known that for ages, quelle surprise, but even after all the revelations she still polls from 45-49% on average and I venture she will still poll from 45-49% come general election day, unless something really fatal emerges in which case Biden will run and be nominee
The Donald strikes again - gives an interview to Rolling Stone -
"Look at that face!" Trump told the magazine while sitting with a Rolling Stone reporter as Fiorina appeared on TV. "Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next president."
"I mean, she's a woman, and I'm not s'posedta say bad things, but really, folks, come on. Are we serious?" Trump said, according to the magazine.
That there are people out there who actually want to vote for Trump is scary.TYT Referring to someone as 'that'. Jesus.
Be fair, Miss, you were frightened about a Conservative government being elected.
Even I know that Cameron's Conservative party is nowhere near as to the right as the GOP base, which Trump is pandering too.
Trump is mimicking Farage
I don't think that's fair at all. Farage has made several predictions about euro collapse and the failures of schengen that have been vindicated as time has progressed - Trump has no such achievements.
? The Tories got an opt out to Schengen - thats' not the act of a party that has faith in it. The Tories campaigned on 'saving the pound' in 2001. That's not the act of a party which had faith in the Euro. Farage is nowhere - except in your rewriting of history.
My comment was not about the Tories, don't know what you're on about here. He made the predictions about other countries in some of his speeches in the European Parliament. Sorry for any confusion.
Been traveling a lot, and rationing my catch up watching. No to binge watching!
Binge watch Madam Secretary, you'll enjoy that.
About a former CIA operative who becomes Secretary of State.
I have watched it. Was very skeptical at first, but it grew on me. That and watching Tea Leoni ... I'll never forget her role in Flirting with Disaster (the scene in black lingerie to be precise)
Yeah, Tea Leoni does float my boat.
Is why I hate David Duchovny
Looks very similar to my wife
Davis Duchovny looks similar to your wife? i knew this upper class inbreeding would end in disaster one day....
A scandal in the administration is a scandal in the administration, and questions will be asked if the doctoring of reports happened at the State Department too, or if others outside of the Pentagon ordered those fake reports to be issued, like someone from the White House. Karl Rove's head rolled over the mess of the Iraq reports and the Plame affair. Alastair Campbell's head also rolled due to the dodgy Iraq dossier. There is strong precedent to think that this scandal will probably have a large impact.
Someone asked them to alter their intelligence reports or counterfeited them to suit their own political needs and narrative, who where they? We might find out, but a scandal of that size in an election year in America might be the final straw for Hillary.
For me, the question to State should be "Were there standing instructions to remove classification markings from emails forwarded to Clinton and/or her close aides?" State is doing its utmost to protect her at the moment - not surprising given the (unfathomable to me) hagiolatry of the Department during her tenure.
I was told yesterday by an Air Force colonel with a clearance that whether the emails were marked as classified or not was irrelevant. It's the information content that is the point. As he put it "It's not classified because it's marked: it's marked because it's classified."
Comments
Conservative HOLD Fant (Maidstone).
A very good night indeed
https://barnabasfund.org/news/Gulf-states-refuse-to-open-doors-to-Syrian-Muslim-refugees?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook
Fant (Maidstone) result:
CON - 27.1% (-2.6)
LDEM - 24.1% (+2.1)
LAB - 20.0% (-0.3)
GRN - 14.2% (+3.9)
UKIP - 10.2% (-7.3)
IND - 4.3% (+4.3)
She's still not as bad as the Carolinian student whose paper I posted last night. Here again, in all it's whingy victimhood virtuosity:
[from yesterday's thread] "Oh my word. The article referred to in this article is priceless. But even better are the comments. I particularly like the tips on how to be taken seriously given by Mark Lang."
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/423777/unc-student-op-ed-sexist-news-observer
Maybe Bloomberg mean that the UK paid a total of €3.9bn in July and September, comprising the routine payments and the €2.1bn extra back-payment, and then we'll get the rebate on the €2.1bn, which would be consistent with what was being said originally. Dunno. And nor does anyone else here, as far as I can see.
Woman; "We have to help, what other choice do we have???!"
Newman : "Not help?"
W Thurrock & S StIfford (Thurrock) result:
LAB - 43.0% (-7.3)
UKIP - 30.8% (-3.9)
CON - 26.2% (+11.2)
Conservative 483 43.7% (-22.7%)
LD 434 39.3% (+24.1%)
UKIP 188 17.0% (-1.4%)
https://twitter.com/britainelects?lang=en-gb
Times: Chancellor, Foreign Sec & Business Sec want foreign students out of net mig target; Home Sec disagrees http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4553879.ece … (£)
I bet they do.
So again, you're very wrong. Just like when you said we'd be getting another YouGov.
Guess what, we haven't
The sooner we are all mixed race and cannot distinguish our nationality from anyone else choosing to move from one country to the next the better. It'll happen, but sadly not in my lifetime. And in the meantime, we have to listen to these terrifying racial undertones from the likes of Rod
Do you remember all those people arguing here that we wouldn't get a referendum if the Conservatives won?
[from yesterday's thread] "Oh my word. The article referred to in this article is priceless. But even better are the comments. I particularly like the tips on how to be taken seriously given by Mark Lang."
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/423777/unc-student-op-ed-sexist-news-observer
Okay, that girl really is silly. But 'real' sexism can affect how many people see themselves, and their self-esteem.
The online ballots will of course favour Corbyn heavily as they are registered supporters
I repeatedly tried to smoke them out by offering up to a £1000 bet at evens, but they all started weaselling at that. Pity. It would have been nice free money.
Edit: Of course they weren't the only ones. Nigel Farage was another:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/574958/Farage-don-t-trust-Cameron-on-EU-referendum-promise
Do you really think the Islamists will let there be a world where everyone is of mixed race
About a former CIA operative who becomes Secretary of State.
Great movie.
At some point though racial, national and reactionary politics will be overtaken by history. You cannot stop it.
I'm quite impatient though. I'd love too see what Europe looks like with 100 million or so Africans and Asians mixing it with us. It's going to happen of course. I'm one of those who just wants to see what it'll be like on the other side without going through the blood, sweat and tears of trying to stop it.
It's short of a constant drip drip of accusations and the smell of scandal that's starting to stick on her, and it sticks because she was Secretary of State and the No.2 person in the Obama administration for 4 years + N.Y Senator for 8 years + Bill Clinton's wife for ages.
If anyone else had a chance the betting markets would have got wind of it.
You don't have to wait 100 million years,come to Bradford,I'm sure we can find you a nice little house in inner city Bradford.
Don't dispute that. I am fortunate to have worked with many professional women throughout my career in an environment that generally really does treat them as equals and where sexism is largely absent. One of the many benefits of working in the life sciences.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_presidential_race.html
I thought their argument was that he would try to rig the vote using govt apparatus & leading questioning etc rather than refuse to hold a referendum. Maybe I am misremembering
Trump currently is far superior than the other 16 in a Corbyn like way and he hates the Bush family to the point were it doesn't matter for Trump if he wins or loses as long as he crushes Jeb Bush, behold :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yD4wnQvLhyI
Trump can destroy Bush with a single 15 second "Willie Horton" ad, that's how good he is with TV.
Goodnight.
1) Her numbers just blow up completely - possible but so far unlikely
2) It becomes obvious during the primaries that she cannot win
3) The FBI indicts her
The email scandal has now been going on for over 6 months.
Somehow one doubts that she'd be happy even if every man in the country gifted her their severed penis on a plate, as she seems to yearn for.
Her birth name was Bailye, but she changed it to Proudman 2 years ago...
Is why I hate David Duchovny
Undermine Corbyn's ability to get mainstream ShadCab members...
in that context, I'd say economic with the facts, or indeed, the truth. Hat tip to Sir Robert Armstrong ...
[from yesterday's thread] "Oh my word. The article referred to in this article is priceless. But even better are the comments. I particularly like the tips on how to be taken seriously given by Mark Lang."
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/423777/unc-student-op-ed-sexist-news-observer
I enjoyed the article - but couldn't find the comment by Mark Lang!
Karl Rove's head rolled over the mess of the Iraq reports and the Plame affair.
Alastair Campbell's head also rolled due to the dodgy Iraq dossier.
There is strong precedent to think that this scandal will probably have a large impact.
Someone asked them to alter their intelligence reports or counterfeited them to suit their own political needs and narrative, who where they?
We might find out, but a scandal of that size in an election year in America might be the final straw for Hillary.
Something to the effect of "How to be taken seriously. 1. Never write an article like that again. 2. Never have a thought included in that article again."
"The bill is in fact more than the €2.1 billion referred previously. The total due on 1 December is actually €3.591 billion, EU sources explained."
The UK would however receive a one-off rebate of €1.491 billion under a separate amended budget for 2014 currently under negotiation, and expected to be agreed on before the December deadline. That amended budget would reduce the amount owed to €2.1 billion.
http://www.euractiv.com/sections/uk-europe/budget-row-escalates-uk-bill-rises-eu36bn-309530
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_presidential_race.html
I blame the old families for relinquishing their grip.
Bloody daft to put your photo on LinkedIn.
The solicitor may have been crass but there are better ways of fending off unwanted advances than the way she chose. Gentle mockery, for instance. Or even better: simply ignoring him.
The solicitor may have been crass but there are better ways of fending off unwanted advances than the way she chose. Gentle mockery, for instance. Or even better: simply ignoring him.
What is LinkedIn but a Facebook for even bigger pseuds than are on Facebook?
I've had a few weird messages on it myself. All from women. Fake profile, fake name, etc. I set it up just to see what rubbish got trawled up!
The solicitor may have been crass but there are better ways of fending off unwanted advances than the way she chose. Gentle mockery, for instance. Or even better: simply ignoring him.
It's thoroughly obnoxious.
I thought her response was po-faced and pompous, but if she had kept it private that would have been fine.
To post it publicly is unacceptable
The Tories got an opt out to Schengen - thats' not the act of a party that has faith in it.
The Tories campaigned on 'saving the pound' in 2001. That's not the act of a party which had faith in the Euro.
Farage is nowhere - except in your rewriting of history.
Good night all.