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  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Dair said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dair said:

    Omnium said:

    I'm not a believer in God, or a great fan of the Monarchy. Nevertheless you feel you want to say 'God save the Queen' on a day like this. What an amazing reign she's had.

    The idea of celebrating Britain's most successful Benefits Scrounger, paying homage to a person based on their birth or continuing such an archaic, worthless tradition fills me with disgust.
    You are being a bit rude about Nicola. She probably is nicer about you.
    A woman who has dedicated 60+ years of her life to a job she did not ask to do without complaint and without putting barely a foot wrong and who still has higher approval ratings than any politician in the UK, including Sturgeon
    "Dedicated"? You are a loon.

    Dedicated is not how you describe a few hours "work" a week in return for 10s of millions of pounds in state hand outs each year, the provision of multiple, massive state housing, a personal, publicly funded police service, the ability to nominate close relatives for similarly generous state hand outs, etc, etc.

    There are millions in this country who would quite happily do this job and they would likely accept far less in terms of money and state housing to do it. Most would also likely retire at a reasonable age as well, instead of clinging on into their senile dotage.
    Might I suggest that you investigate the revenue from the Crown Estates, which goes to the government. You will find that it exceeds substantially the amount of the Civil List.

    Then you might want to see the tourism aspect of the Royals.

    The Royal Family is a positive for the UK economy.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    tyson said:

    Thanks for enlightening us all

    Tim_B said:

    I voted Yes in the last referendum, which was for the then EEC.

    If I had a vote today, I would vote for the UK to leave the EU.

    You are welcome!
  • Tim_B said:


    My wife is from Glasgow and her sister still lives there.

    Lol, the 'I ate a Tunnock's teacake once you know' defence.
  • Mr. Royale, perhaps, but Cameron likes the idea of the EU. I don't think he's a zealot or idealist, but he wants it to work.

    Well, that's my impression.

    We shall see how things go. Anyway, I must be off.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Tim_B said:

    Oil has fallen below $45 a barrel and seems likely to stay low for some time.

    How is this affecting North Sea production?

    Apparently its cost a fair number of jobs but it was hard to tell from the BBC spending their News programming on hagiographies of a sour faced old benefits scrounger.
    Sky business news stated today that 65,000 North Sea jobs have been lost. Is this true as we do not hear it on this forum which is surprising if it is true and worrying, as a lot of my Scottish relatives in the North East of Scotland depend on oil jobs both in the North Sea and Worldwide
    If that is the case the rest of the Scottish economy must be going gangbusters.
    Sturgeon is certainly handling it very well, few countries could cope with one of their major industries going into such a sharp fall off yet manage the economy such that it doesn't become an economic tailspin.

    If only the UK government hadn't dragged their feet for three months in their determination to milk Scotland as hard as possible, it could have been even better.
    Thanks to the Union Scotland is weathering the oil price collapse. Outside the Union you'd be in merde profonde.
    Ah the traditional whine of the unionists, everything good is because of Westminster and everything bad is because of Holyrood.

    Fortunately we have facts to rely on rather than your prejudice and anti-Scottish rhetoric, the SNP maintained jobs and economic performance despite considerable feet dragging by Westminster and absolutely no effort on their part to help the Scottish economy.
    The vast majority of the job creators in Scotland can be found within the 55% No voters, the 45ers are too often feckless non-contributors.
    So by your logic Michelle Mone must have been a Yes voter and Jim McColl voted No?

    Bit of a problem you have with that.
    Could Monaco based tax exile Jim McColl vote in the once-in-a-lifetime Scottish referendum?
    Of course he can, he lives in Glasgow as well.

    There is no evidence he does not pay UK tax.
    Who the F would live in Monaco if it wasn't for (ahem) "tax optimisation"
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    tyson said:

    It must be a pretty grim place being in your head seeing the world as you do Isam.

    You know the vast majority of people are rather sweet, law abiding, optimistic and hopeful....then you enter into the dark, ghastly, underworld of the...UKIP.....be scared, be very scared...they're out to get you.......

    isam said:

    Plato said:
    There were arrests in Bulgaria last week of terrorist refugees weren't there?

    This is obviously going to happen, I'm sure there can't be anyone on here that doubts it
    Yes, they're so sweet you can't shoo them out of Italy fast enough, lest they upset your In Laws.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Tim_B said:

    Dair said:


    "Dedicated"? You are a loon.

    Dedicated is not how you describe a few hours "work" a week in return for 10s of millions of pounds in state hand outs each year, the provision of multiple, massive state housing, a personal, publicly funded police service, the ability to nominate close relatives for similarly generous state hand outs, etc, etc.

    There are millions in this country who would quite happily do this job and they would likely accept far less in terms of money and state housing to do it. Most would also likely retire at a reasonable age as well, instead of clinging on into their senile dotage.

    Might I suggest that you investigate the revenue from the Crown Estates, which goes to the government. You will find that it exceeds substantially the amount of the Civil List.

    Then you might want to see the tourism aspect of the Royals.

    The Royal Family is a positive for the UK economy.
    The Crown Estates are an asset of the nation. Lizzie Windsor is not entitled to a single national asset, period. She is a huge drain on public funds, allocating public assets to her personal ownership to justify this nonsense is monarchist fantasy.
  • Charles said:

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Tim_B said:

    Oil has fallen below $45 a barrel and seems likely to stay low for some time.

    How is this affecting North Sea production?

    Apparently its cost a fair number of jobs but it was hard to tell from the BBC spending their News programming on hagiographies of a sour faced old benefits scrounger.
    Sky business news stated today that 65,000 North Sea jobs have been lost. Is this true as we do not hear it on this forum which is surprising if it is true and worrying, as a lot of my Scottish relatives in the North East of Scotland depend on oil jobs both in the North Sea and Worldwide
    If that is the case the rest of the Scottish economy must be going gangbusters.
    Sturgeon is certainly handling it very well, few countries could cope with one of their major industries going into such a sharp fall off yet manage the economy such that it doesn't become an economic tailspin.

    If only the UK government hadn't dragged their feet for three months in their determination to milk Scotland as hard as possible, it could have been even better.
    Thanks to the Union Scotland is weathering the oil price collapse. Outside the Union you'd be in merde profonde.
    Ah the traditional whine of the unionists, everything good is because of Westminster and everything bad is because of Holyrood.

    Fortunately we have facts to rely on rather than your prejudice and anti-Scottish rhetoric, the SNP maintained jobs and economic performance despite considerable feet dragging by Westminster and absolutely no effort on their part to help the Scottish economy.
    The vast majority of the job creators in Scotland can be found within the 55% No voters, the 45ers are too often feckless non-contributors.
    So by your logic Michelle Mone must have been a Yes voter and Jim McColl voted No?

    Bit of a problem you have with that.
    Could Monaco based tax exile Jim McColl vote in the once-in-a-lifetime Scottish referendum?
    Of course he can, he lives in Glasgow as well.

    There is no evidence he does not pay UK tax.
    Who the F would live in Monaco if it wasn't for (ahem) "tax optimisation"
    Monegasque?
  • Mr. Royale, perhaps, but Cameron likes the idea of the EU. I don't think he's a zealot or idealist, but he wants it to work.

    Well, that's my impression.

    We shall see how things go. Anyway, I must be off.

    Yes, indeed. But maybe he's reaching the end of his tether?

    The world is changing - fast - and he wouldn't be the only one who was pro-EU ten years ago but has since changed their mind.

    He probably would want some economic cover from the City and big business to back his line too. But that may come as well.
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited September 2015
    Dair said:

    Tim_B said:

    Dair said:


    "Dedicated"? You are a loon.

    Dedicated is not how you describe a few hours "work" a week in return for 10s of millions of pounds in state hand outs each year, the provision of multiple, massive state housing, a personal, publicly funded police service, the ability to nominate close relatives for similarly generous state hand outs, etc, etc.

    There are millions in this country who would quite happily do this job and they would likely accept far less in terms of money and state housing to do it. Most would also likely retire at a reasonable age as well, instead of clinging on into their senile dotage.

    Might I suggest that you investigate the revenue from the Crown Estates, which goes to the government. You will find that it exceeds substantially the amount of the Civil List.

    Then you might want to see the tourism aspect of the Royals.

    The Royal Family is a positive for the UK economy.
    She is a huge drain on public funds,
    Is this about Sturgeon's use of that pricy helicopter? Or her spin doctors?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,553
    Dair said:

    Tim_B said:

    Dair said:


    "Dedicated"? You are a loon.

    Dedicated is not how you describe a few hours "work" a week in return for 10s of millions of pounds in state hand outs each year, the provision of multiple, massive state housing, a personal, publicly funded police service, the ability to nominate close relatives for similarly generous state hand outs, etc, etc.

    There are millions in this country who would quite happily do this job and they would likely accept far less in terms of money and state housing to do it. Most would also likely retire at a reasonable age as well, instead of clinging on into their senile dotage.

    Might I suggest that you investigate the revenue from the Crown Estates, which goes to the government. You will find that it exceeds substantially the amount of the Civil List.

    Then you might want to see the tourism aspect of the Royals.

    The Royal Family is a positive for the UK economy.
    The Crown Estates are an asset of the nation. Lizzie Windsor is not entitled to a single national asset, period. She is a huge drain on public funds, allocating public assets to her personal ownership to justify this nonsense is monarchist fantasy.
    I reckon we might all be about 5 p a week better off.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,055
    Dair said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dair said:

    Omnium said:

    I'm not a believer in God, or a great fan of the Monarchy. Nevertheless you feel you want to say 'God save the Queen' on a day like this. What an amazing reign she's had.

    The idea of celebrating Britain's most successful Benefits Scrounger, paying homage to a person based on their birth or continuing such an archaic, worthless tradition fills me with disgust.
    You are being a bit rude about Nicola. She probably is nicer about you.
    A woman who has dedicated 60+ years of her life to a job she did not ask to do without complaint and without putting barely a foot wrong and who still has higher approval ratings than any politician in the UK, including Sturgeon
    "Dedicated"? You are a loon.

    Dedicated is not how you describe a few hours "work" a week in return for 10s of millions of pounds in state hand outs each year, the provision of multiple, massive state housing, a personal, publicly funded police service, the ability to nominate close relatives for similarly generous state hand outs, etc, etc.

    There are millions in this country who would quite happily do this job and they would likely accept far less in terms of money and state housing to do it. Most would also likely retire at a reasonable age as well, instead of clinging on into their senile dotage.
    'A few hours work'? The Queen works from dawn until dusk seven days a week, whether on meetings, visits and openings, overseas trips, signing bills etc. The funding she does receive is for the institution not herself and a president would cost just as much without the tourism revenue. The fact the Queen takes her coronation oath seriously and is still working well into her eighties is not something to be dismissed. As I said her approval ratings are higher than those of any politician and even if you are a Republican as a person you cannot ignore the fact she is the most popular public figure in Britain today
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117
    edited September 2015
    Mr Morris. It's strange how minds differ. I find Cameron's approach to the migrant crisis as utterly shameful, repellant, and embarrassing. Try explaining it to our European colleagues....it's a bit like trying to defend the virtues of internet child porn to Mumsnet.

    As to the wham, bam thank you Cam... eviscerating young English Jihadis and then glorifying in their deaths. If you tried to explain that to a reasonable European, it would be like defending... well defending Internet child porn to Mumsnet.

    On this forum Mr Morris you may well find people who share your views. In moderate Europe, people would probably think of you as something much more sinister.

    It's little wonder why people like you want to get us out of the EU. Then we could be left to our own devices, behaving badly, dehumanising migrants, droning whoever. What fun.

    Mr. Royale, if Cameron recommended Out, following his stance on the migrant crisis and the drone strike, and if he won the vote, he'd be the reincarnation of Thatcher.

    I'm surprised, and pleased, by his robust stance on the migrant crisis and the drone strike. Still baffled by how many people are supine on the former and wibbling on the latter.

  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Tim_B said:


    My wife is from Glasgow and her sister still lives there.

    Lol, the 'I ate a Tunnock's teacake once you know' defence.
    I don't need a defence. You're the one getting all excited about this. I merely asked a simple question and admitted my ignorance. I don't have a dog in the fight.

    I don't have an issue with you - why do you have one with me?

  • Tim_B said:

    Dair said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dair said:

    Omnium said:

    I'm not a believer in God, or a great fan of the Monarchy. Nevertheless you feel you want to say 'God save the Queen' on a day like this. What an amazing reign she's had.

    The idea of celebrating Britain's most successful Benefits Scrounger, paying homage to a person based on their birth or continuing such an archaic, worthless tradition fills me with disgust.
    You are being a bit rude about Nicola. She probably is nicer about you.
    A woman who has dedicated 60+ years of her life to a job she did not ask to do without complaint and without putting barely a foot wrong and who still has higher approval ratings than any politician in the UK, including Sturgeon
    "Dedicated"? You are a loon.

    Dedicated is not how you describe a few hours "work" a week in return for 10s of millions of pounds in state hand outs each year, the provision of multiple, massive state housing, a personal, publicly funded police service, the ability to nominate close relatives for similarly generous state hand outs, etc, etc.

    There are millions in this country who would quite happily do this job and they would likely accept far less in terms of money and state housing to do it. Most would also likely retire at a reasonable age as well, instead of clinging on into their senile dotage.
    Might I suggest that you investigate the revenue from the Crown Estates, which goes to the government. You will find that it exceeds substantially the amount of the Civil List.

    Then you might want to see the tourism aspect of the Royals.

    The Royal Family is a positive for the UK economy.
    Sturgeon, the highest paid politician in the UK, spends her time trying to destroy the UK.
    ERII, a huge contributor to the UK's wealth, personifies the UK's longevity and strength.
    Good bless The Queen.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,553

    Mr. Royale, perhaps, but Cameron likes the idea of the EU. I don't think he's a zealot or idealist, but he wants it to work.

    Well, that's my impression.

    We shall see how things go. Anyway, I must be off.

    We may be getting to the point where any rational person sees that the EU can't work and is in permanent crisis.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Tim_B said:

    Oil has fallen below $45 a barrel and seems likely to stay low for some time.

    How is this affecting North Sea production?

    Apparently its cost a fair number of jobs but it was hard to tell from the BBC spending their News programming on hagiographies of a sour faced old benefits scrounger.
    Sky business news stated today that 65,000 North Sea jobs have been lost. Is this true as we do not hear it on this forum which is surprising if it is true and worrying, as a lot of my Scottish relatives in the North East of Scotland depend on oil jobs both in the North Sea and Worldwide
    If that is the case the rest of the Scottish economy must be going gangbusters.
    Sturgeon is certainly handling it very well, few countries could cope with one of their major industries going into such a sharp fall off yet manage the economy such that it doesn't become an economic tailspin.

    If only the UK government hadn't dragged their feet for three months in their determination to milk Scotland as hard as possible, it could have been even better.
    Thanks to the Union Scotland is weathering the oil price collapse. Outside the Union you'd be in merde profonde.
    Ah the traditional whine of the unionists, everything good is because of Westminster and everything bad is because of Holyrood.

    Fortunately we have facts to rely on rather than your prejudice and anti-Scottish rhetoric, the SNP maintained jobs and economic performance despite considerable feet dragging by Westminster and absolutely no effort on their part to help the Scottish economy.
    The vast majority of the job creators in Scotland can be found within the 55% No voters, the 45ers are too often feckless non-contributors.
    So by your logic Michelle Mone must have been a Yes voter and Jim McColl voted No?

    Bit of a problem you have with that.
    Could Monaco based tax exile Jim McColl vote in the once-in-a-lifetime Scottish referendum?
    Of course he can, he lives in Glasgow as well.

    There is no evidence he does not pay UK tax.
    Who the F would live in Monaco if it wasn't for (ahem) "tax optimisation"
    Monegasque?
    I'm just bitter 'cos the Grimaldis pinched it from a cousin of mine.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    edited September 2015
    HYUFD said:


    'A few hours work'? The Queen works from dawn until dusk seven days a week, whether on meetings, visits and openings, overseas trips, signing bills etc. The funding she does receive is for the institution not herself and a president would cost just as much without the tourism revenue. The fact the Queen takes her coronation oath seriously and is still working well into her eighties is not something to be dismissed. As I said her approval ratings are higher than those of any politician and even if you are a Republican as a person you cannot ignore the fact she is the most popular public figure in Britain today

    It's amazing that you can actually type up such drooling nonsense. It's strange, holidays abroad, visiting places of interest... these aren't what most people define as "work".

    It's not particularly hard to have a positive approval rating when the State broadcaster replaces both main news bulletins with 30 minute hagiographies.

    Watching the BBC News tonight it would be very easy to think there is nothing else happening in the world except for a sour faced benefits scrounger marking a record length of welfare hand outs.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,553
    tyson said:

    Mr Morris. It's strange how minds differ. I find Cameron's approach to the migrant crisis as utterly shameful, repellant, and embarrassing. Try explaining it to our European colleagues....it's a bit like trying to defend the virtues of internet child porn to Mumsnet.

    As to the wham, bam thank you Cam... eviscerating young English Jihadis and then glorifying in their deaths. If you tried to explain that to a reasonable European, it would be like defending... well defending Internet child porn to Mumsnet.

    On this forum Mr Morris you may well find people who share your views. In moderate Europe, people would probably think of you as something much more sinister.

    It's little wonder why people like you want to get us out of the EU. Then we could be left to our own devices, behaving badly, dehumanising migrants, droning whoever. What fun.

    Mr. Royale, if Cameron recommended Out, following his stance on the migrant crisis and the drone strike, and if he won the vote, he'd be the reincarnation of Thatcher.

    I'm surprised, and pleased, by his robust stance on the migrant crisis and the drone strike. Still baffled by how many people are supine on the former and wibbling on the latter.

    Many European Colleagues are pretty hard line.
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    Tim_B said:

    Dair said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dair said:

    Omnium said:

    I'm not a believer in God, or a great fan of the Monarchy. Nevertheless you feel you want to say 'God save the Queen' on a day like this. What an amazing reign she's had.

    The idea of celebrating Britain's most successful Benefits Scrounger, paying homage to a person based on their birth or continuing such an archaic, worthless tradition fills me with disgust.
    You are being a bit rude about Nicola. She probably is nicer about you.
    A woman who has dedicated 60+ years of her life to a job she did not ask to do without complaint and without putting barely a foot wrong and who still has higher approval ratings than any politician in the UK, including Sturgeon
    "Dedicated"? You are a loon.

    Dedicated is not how you describe a few hours "work" a week in return for 10s of millions of pounds in state hand outs each year, the provision of multiple, massive state housing, a personal, publicly funded police service, the ability to nominate close relatives for similarly generous state hand outs, etc, etc.

    There are millions in this country who would quite happily do this job and they would likely accept far less in terms of money and state housing to do it. Most would also likely retire at a reasonable age as well, instead of clinging on into their senile dotage.

    Then you might want to see the tourism aspect of the Royals.
    No, they're flocking north to see the real tourist attractions.

    "Gee Wilma, let's skip London, and fly over to Scotchland to see that badly dressed Surgeon lady, and her friends in that Parlyment building that looks like a telephone exchange"
  • tyson said:

    Mr Morris. It's strange how minds differ. I find Cameron's approach to the migrant crisis as utterly shameful, repellant, and embarrassing. Try explaining it to our European colleagues....it's a bit like trying to defend the virtues of internet child porn to Mumsnet.

    As to the wham, bam thank you Cam... eviscerating young English Jihadis and then glorifying in their deaths. If you tried to explain that to a reasonable European, it would be like defending... well defending Internet child porn to Mumsnet.

    On this forum Mr Morris you may well find people who share your views. In moderate Europe, people would probably think of you as something much more sinister.

    It's little wonder why people like you want to get us out of the EU. Then we could be left to our own devices, behaving badly, dehumanising migrants, droning whoever. What fun.

    Mr. Royale, if Cameron recommended Out, following his stance on the migrant crisis and the drone strike, and if he won the vote, he'd be the reincarnation of Thatcher.

    I'm surprised, and pleased, by his robust stance on the migrant crisis and the drone strike. Still baffled by how many people are supine on the former and wibbling on the latter.

    I think you need to have a lie down.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,553
    Dair said:

    HYUFD said:


    'A few hours work'? The Queen works from dawn until dusk seven days a week, whether on meetings, visits and openings, overseas trips, signing bills etc. The funding she does receive is for the institution not herself and a president would cost just as much without the tourism revenue. The fact the Queen takes her coronation oath seriously and is still working well into her eighties is not something to be dismissed. As I said her approval ratings are higher than those of any politician and even if you are a Republican as a person you cannot ignore the fact she is the most popular public figure in Britain today

    It's amazing that you can actually type up such drooling nonsense. It's strange, holidays abroad, visiting places of interest... these aren't what most people define as "work".

    It's not particularly hard to have a positive approval rating when the State broadcaster replaces both main news bulletins with 30 minute hagiographies.

    Watching the BBC News tonight it would be very easy to think there is nothing else happening in the world except for a sour faced benefits scrounger marking a record length of welfare hand outs.
    The thing is, you're just an angry loon, howling into the wind.
  • Dair said:

    HYUFD said:


    'A few hours work'? The Queen works from dawn until dusk seven days a week, whether on meetings, visits and openings, overseas trips, signing bills etc. The funding she does receive is for the institution not herself and a president would cost just as much without the tourism revenue. The fact the Queen takes her coronation oath seriously and is still working well into her eighties is not something to be dismissed. As I said her approval ratings are higher than those of any politician and even if you are a Republican as a person you cannot ignore the fact she is the most popular public figure in Britain today

    It's amazing that you can actually type up such drooling nonsense. It's strange, holidays abroad, visiting places of interest... these aren't what most people define as "work".
    It's not particularly hard to have a positive approval rating when the State broadcaster replaces both main news bulletins with 30 minute hagiographies.
    Watching the BBC News tonight it would be very easy to think there is nothing else happening in the world except for a sour faced benefits scrounger marking a record length of welfare hand outs.
    I am profoundly grateful for the illumination shone by your post Mr Dair. Not that any of us really needed any further confirmation about what makes you tick.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,956
    Sean_F said:

    We may be getting to the point where any rational person sees that the EU can't work and is in permanent crisis.

    It is obvious now that the EU needs serious reform, and it is also obvious that the EU has no intention of doing so. So unless Britain wants to stay in the EU as it is, with the implied ever closer union, we are going to have to leave.

    Will Cameron have the balls to admit that renegotiation has failed and maybe even back No?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    The economy in the North East of Scotland is booming indeed.

    Well, for one guy...

    @HTScotPol: NEW: Alex Salmond earning more than £2000 a week for his newspaper columns
    http://t.co/RWdL7cOBKw http://t.co/TXSxoL8Whb
  • Sean_F said:

    Dair said:

    HYUFD said:


    'A few hours work'? The Queen works from dawn until dusk seven days a week, whether on meetings, visits and openings, overseas trips, signing bills etc. The funding she does receive is for the institution not herself and a president would cost just as much without the tourism revenue. The fact the Queen takes her coronation oath seriously and is still working well into her eighties is not something to be dismissed. As I said her approval ratings are higher than those of any politician and even if you are a Republican as a person you cannot ignore the fact she is the most popular public figure in Britain today

    It's amazing that you can actually type up such drooling nonsense. It's strange, holidays abroad, visiting places of interest... these aren't what most people define as "work".

    It's not particularly hard to have a positive approval rating when the State broadcaster replaces both main news bulletins with 30 minute hagiographies.

    Watching the BBC News tonight it would be very easy to think there is nothing else happening in the world except for a sour faced benefits scrounger marking a record length of welfare hand outs.
    The thing is, you're just an angry loon, howling into the wind.
    Nicola Sturgeon posing next to Her Majesty today must have hit him quite hard.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Tim_B said:

    Oil has fallen below $45 a barrel and seems likely to stay low for some time.

    How is this affecting North Sea production?

    Apparently its cost a fair number of jobs but it was hard to tell from the BBC spending their News programming on hagiographies of a sour faced old benefits scrounger.
    If that is the case the rest of the Scottish economy must be going gangbusters.
    Sturgeon is certainly handling it very well, few countries could cope with one of their major industries going into such a sharp fall off yet manage the economy such that it doesn't become an economic tailspin.

    If only the UK government hadn't dragged their feet for three months in their determination to milk Scotland as hard as possible, it could have been even better.
    Thanks to the Union Scotland is weathering the oil price collapse. Outside the Union you'd be in merde profonde.
    Ah the traditional whine of the unionists, everything good is because of Westminster and everything bad is because of Holyrood.

    Fortunately we have facts to rely on rather than your prejudice and anti-Scottish rhetoric, the SNP maintained jobs and economic performance despite considerable feet dragging by Westminster and absolutely no effort on their part to help the Scottish economy.
    The vast majority of the job creators in Scotland can be found within the 55% No voters, the 45ers are too often feckless non-contributors.
    So by your logic Michelle Mone must have been a Yes voter and Jim McColl voted No?

    Could Monaco based tax exile Jim McColl vote in the once-in-a-lifetime Scottish referendum?
    Of course he can, he lives in Glasgow as well.

    There is no evidence he does not pay UK tax.
    Who the F would live in Monaco if it wasn't for (ahem) "tax optimisation"
    Monegasque?
    I'm just bitter 'cos the Grimaldis pinched it from a cousin of mine.
    As Edmund would say, I have a cunning plan.

    If Reginald Dwight can become Elton Hercules John, then I can become Dontavious Grimaldi. I will rent a rubber dinghy and come ashore on the beach at Monaco, and prostrate myself on the steps of the palace, and trust that my family will take me to their bosom.

    It is a foolproof plan.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,055
    edited September 2015
    Dair said:

    HYUFD said:


    'A few hours work'? The Queen works from dawn until dusk seven days a week, whether on meetings, visits and openings, overseas trips, signing bills etc. The funding she does receive is for the institution not herself and a president would cost just as much without the tourism revenue. The fact the Queen takes her coronation oath seriously and is still working well into her eighties is not something to be dismissed. As I said her approval ratings are higher than those of any politician and even if you are a Republican as a person you cannot ignore the fact she is the most popular public figure in Britain today

    It's amazing that you can actually type up such drooling nonsense. It's strange, holidays abroad, visiting places of interest... these aren't what most people define as "work".

    It's not particularly hard to have a positive approval rating when the State broadcaster replaces both main news bulletins with 30 minute hagiographies.

    Watching the BBC News tonight it would be very easy to think there is nothing else happening in the world except for a sour faced benefits scrounger marking a record length of welfare hand outs.
    None of them are holidays, she has endless meetings, speeches engagements etc to undertake too.

    Your last paragraph is not worth replying to, other than to say I am delighted to see Sturgeon praising the Queen as Salmond did before her and am happy in the knowledge that even if Scotland were ever to go independent both have confirmed the Queen and Wills would still reign supreme as monarchs of Scotland for generations to come!!
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    Scott_P said:

    The economy in the North East of Scotland is booming indeed.

    Well, for one guy...

    @HTScotPol: NEW: Alex Salmond earning more than £2000 a week for his newspaper columns
    http://t.co/RWdL7cOBKw http://t.co/TXSxoL8Whb

    For 6 hours work a week.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117
    I am a Republican...diehard Republican.....And I think the idea of a hereditary monarchy as toe curling as you could possibly imagine. So if you have sensitivities, please turn away.

    The Queen.. what can you say. She is unbelievable. She has been such a unique figurehead and champion it is beyond words. I cannot imagine anyone, anywhere who has had a such a constant, and positive influence on their country for such a long time. What can I say....but the Queen is fantastic.

    I think we've been incredibly lucky... and the qualities of the Queen are just down to fate. We all know it's going to be a downhill drive off the cliff after the great girl goes. But she looks like she's got a few years left in her yet. Perhaps she can still wake up one day under a Labour Govt. It may well be her dying wish.. you never know.
    HYUFD said:

    Dair said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dair said:

    Omnium said:

    I'm not a believer in God, or a great fan of the Monarchy. Nevertheless you feel you want to say 'God save the Queen' on a day like this. What an amazing reign she's had.

    The idea of celebrating Britain's most successful Benefits Scrounger, paying homage to a person based on their birth or continuing such an archaic, worthless tradition fills me with disgust.
    You are being a bit rude about Nicola. She probably is nicer about you.
    A woman who has dedicated 60+ years of her life to a job she did not ask to do without complaint and without putting barely a foot wrong and who still has higher approval ratings than any politician in the UK, including Sturgeon
    "Dedicated"? You are a loon.

    Dedicated is not how you describe a few hours "work" a week in return for 10s of millions of pounds in state hand outs each year, the provision of multiple, massive state housing, a personal, publicly funded police service, the ability to nominate close relatives for similarly generous state hand outs, etc, etc

    'A few hours work'? The Queen works from dawn until dusk seven days a week, whether on meetings, visits and openings, overseas trips, signing bills etc. The funding she does receive is for the institution not herself and a president would cost just as much without the tourism revenue. The fact the Queen takes her coronation oath seriously and is still working well into her eighties is not something to be dismissed. As I said her approval ratings are higher than those of any politician and even if you are a Republican as a person you cannot ignore the fact she is the most popular public figure in Britain today
  • It rather looks like the Caliphate when it finally arrives will be an empty one. Literally. Empty of people. Just about sums up what a good idea this Caliphate is I suppose.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,956
    edited September 2015
    Scott_P said:

    The economy in the North East of Scotland is booming indeed.

    Well, for one guy...

    @HTScotPol: NEW: Alex Salmond earning more than £2000 a week for his newspaper columns
    http://t.co/RWdL7cOBKw http://t.co/TXSxoL8Whb

    Peanuts, Boris gets over £5,000 a week for his Telegraph column, which he claims to spend about 2 hours writing.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,055
    tyson said:

    I am a Republican...diehard Republican.....And I think the idea of a hereditary monarchy as toe curling as you could possibly imagine. So if you have sensitivities, please turn away.

    The Queen.. what can you say. She is unbelievable. She has been such a unique figurehead and champion it is beyond words. I cannot imagine anyone, anywhere who has had a such a constant, and positive influence on their country for such a long time. What can I say....but the Queen is fantastic.

    I think we've been incredibly lucky... and the qualities of the Queen are just down to fate. We all know it's going to be a downhill drive off the cliff after the great girl goes. But she looks like she's got a few years left in her yet. Perhaps she can still wake up one day under a Labour Govt. It may well be her dying wish.. you never know.

    HYUFD said:

    Dair said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dair said:

    Omnium said:

    I'm not a believer in God, or a great fan of the Monarchy. Nevertheless you feel you want to say 'God save the Queen' on a day like this. What an amazing reign she's had.

    The idea of celebrating Britain's most successful Benefits Scrounger, paying homage to a person based on their birth or continuing such an archaic, worthless tradition fills me with disgust.
    You are being a bit rude about Nicola. She probably is nicer about you.
    A woman who has dedicated 60+ years of her life to a job she did not ask to do without complaint and without putting barely a foot wrong and who still has higher approval ratings than any politician in the UK, including Sturgeon
    "Dedicated"? You are a loon.

    Dedicated is not how you describe a few hours "work" a week in return for 10s of millions of pounds in state hand outs each year, the provision of multiple, massive state housing, a personal, publicly funded police service, the ability to nominate close relatives for similarly generous state hand outs, etc, etc

    'A few hours work'? The Queen works from dawn until dusk seven days a week, whether on meetings, visits and openings, overseas trips, signing bills etc. The funding she does receive is for the institution not herself and a president would cost just as much without the tourism revenue. The fact the Queen takes her coronation oath seriously and is still working well into her eighties is not something to be dismissed. As I said her approval ratings are higher than those of any politician and even if you are a Republican as a person you cannot ignore the fact she is the most popular public figure in Britain today
    Kudos
  • perdixperdix Posts: 1,806

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Tim_B said:

    Oil has fallen below $45 a barrel and seems likely to stay low for some time.

    How is this affecting North Sea production?

    Apparently its cost a fair number of jobs but it was hard to tell from the BBC spending their News programming on hagiographies of a sour faced old benefits scrounger.
    Sky business news stated today that 65,000 North Sea jobs have been lost. Is this true as we do not hear it on this forum which is surprising if it is true and worrying, as a lot of my Scottish relatives in the North East of Scotland depend on oil jobs both in the North Sea and Worldwide
    If that is the case the rest of the Scottish economy must be going gangbusters.
    Sturgeon is certainly handling it very well, few countries could cope with one of their major industries going into such a sharp fall off yet manage the economy such that it doesn't become an economic tailspin.

    If only the UK government hadn't dragged their feet for three months in their determination to milk Scotland as hard as possible, it could have been even better.
    Thanks to the Union Scotland is weathering the oil price collapse. Outside the Union you'd be in merde profonde.
    #arcofausterity
    What is going on in Norn Iron? Does Dave need to appoint a new English Viceroy to control the natives?
    SEND OSBORNE

    he'll fuck it up anyway but at least moving him gives the economy a chance.
    Sturgeon is "managing the economy well" because it relies on English taxes.

  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117
    Maybe Sean.There was the Hungarian lass who took great pleasure in booting them as they ran past.

    But, I take your very well made point from yesterday...the East Europeans states have been subjected to decades of purges, brutality and totalitarianism- so who am I to question why they are not quite so open minded about accepting migrants now?
    Sean_F said:

    tyson said:

    Mr Morris. It's strange how minds differ. I find Cameron's approach to the migrant crisis as utterly shameful, repellant, and embarrassing. Try explaining it to our European colleagues....it's a bit like trying to defend the virtues of internet child porn to Mumsnet.

    As to the wham, bam thank you Cam... eviscerating young English Jihadis and then glorifying in their deaths. If you tried to explain that to a reasonable European, it would be like defending... well defending Internet child porn to Mumsnet.

    On this forum Mr Morris you may well find people who share your views. In moderate Europe, people would probably think of you as something much more sinister.

    It's little wonder why people like you want to get us out of the EU. Then we could be left to our own devices, behaving badly, dehumanising migrants, droning whoever. What fun.

    Mr. Royale, if Cameron recommended Out, following his stance on the migrant crisis and the drone strike, and if he won the vote, he'd be the reincarnation of Thatcher.

    I'm surprised, and pleased, by his robust stance on the migrant crisis and the drone strike. Still baffled by how many people are supine on the former and wibbling on the latter.

    Many European Colleagues are pretty hard line.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,956
    SeanT said:

    That Europe, yes?

    With Merkel throwing the doors wide open and Juncker telling everyone how many refugees they must take I suspect that our European neighbours are going to keep tacking right.
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited September 2015
    SeanT said:

    Watching the News I wonder if Britain will now vote to LEAVE.

    It's heading that way.

    Merkel and Junker issuing orders, won't make many think too favourably of the EU.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @tnewtondunn: EXCL: Police tried to arrest Jeremy Corbyn for branding British troops “murderers” at anti-war demo - senior ex-cop; http://t.co/XUvAJtLT1P
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    tyson said:

    It must be a pretty grim place being in your head seeing the world as you do Isam.

    You know the vast majority of people are rather sweet, law abiding, optimistic and hopeful....then you enter into the dark, ghastly, underworld of the...UKIP.....be scared, be very scared...they're out to get you.......

    isam said:

    Plato said:
    There were arrests in Bulgaria last week of terrorist refugees weren't there?

    This is obviously going to happen, I'm sure there can't be anyone on here that doubts it
    Perfectly fine thanks. Clarity of thinking is good for the soul

    You sound like a deeply religious person confronted with Darwinism
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    SeanT said:

    Cameron got lucky in Scotland, after stupidly ceding too much to Salmond (question, franchise, timing, etc).

    He was lucky in his opponent.

    After getting everything he wanted (question, franchise, timing, etc) Eck still managed to blow his best and only chance.

    If Farage is his opponent next time, Cameron may just as "lucky"
  • SeanT said:

    tyson said:

    Mr Morris. It's strange how minds differ. I find Cameron's approach to the migrant crisis as utterly shameful, repellant, and embarrassing. Try explaining it to our European colleagues....it's a bit like trying to defend the virtues of internet child porn to Mumsnet.

    As to the wham, bam thank you Cam... eviscerating young English Jihadis and then glorifying in their deaths. If you tried to explain that to a reasonable European, it would be like defending... well defending Internet child porn to Mumsnet.

    On this forum Mr Morris you may well find people who share your views. In moderate Europe, people would probably think of you as something much more sinister.

    It's little wonder why people like you want to get us out of the EU. Then we could be left to our own devices, behaving badly, dehumanising migrants, droning whoever. What fun.

    Mr. Royale, if Cameron recommended Out, following his stance on the migrant crisis and the drone strike, and if he won the vote, he'd be the reincarnation of Thatcher.
    I'm surprised, and pleased, by his robust stance on the migrant crisis and the drone strike. Still baffled by how many people are supine on the former and wibbling on the latter.

    Would this be the same moderate, liberal, humane continental Europe where far right parties have the biggest polling support (Sweden), where far right parties might seize the presidency (France), where far right parties are practically in government (Denmark), where far right agitators have provoked anti-foreigner riots (Germany), where Nazis take a significant proportion of the vote (Greece), and where neo-Fascist racialists are a powerful electoral force (Hungary)?
    That Europe, yes?
    Thought so.
    I know that is replying to Tyson on this you are shooting fish in a barrel but you make a good point. British society is very tolerant. As witnessed by Farage being unable to win a seat in parliament. This is because our government has walked the tightrope of race and immigration with a well tuned sense of balance. Of course it is not perfect but in being cautious about dealing with migrants who started off as refugees it deserves praise. In being determined to strike at the barbarians of ISIS nit deserved=s support.
    It deserves space in letting it negotiate with the EU. It does not deserve crass bufoons like Montgomerie and Davis with their ignorant self serving sniping.
    After that we can vote.
  • Blue_rogBlue_rog Posts: 2,019
    O/T hope I get back to Blighty OK tonight. Flying BA on a 777 from Philly.

    On topic I hope our Tory government can hold the line against these nefarious foreigners, both trying to get here and trying to force us to take them!
  • Scott_P said:

    @tnewtondunn: EXCL: Police tried to arrest Jeremy Corbyn for branding British troops “murderers” at anti-war demo - senior ex-cop; http://t.co/XUvAJtLT1P

    The weird thing is this nasty piece of work has been a Labour MP for over 30 years. Why?
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Scott_P said:

    SeanT said:

    Cameron got lucky in Scotland, after stupidly ceding too much to Salmond (question, franchise, timing, etc).

    He was lucky in his opponent.

    After getting everything he wanted (question, franchise, timing, etc) Eck still managed to blow his best and only chance.

    If Farage is his opponent next time, Cameron may just as "lucky"
    Haha.

    I thought you've be paying attention to the twitter given your ability to pull the most idiotic Loyalist nonsense on a regular basis.

    How about this one

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/641566663838670848

    Things are not looking good for Loyalism at the moment. On top of that Winter is Coming, you better start praying its a mild one.
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474

    Scott_P said:

    @tnewtondunn: EXCL: Police tried to arrest Jeremy Corbyn for branding British troops “murderers” at anti-war demo - senior ex-cop; http://t.co/XUvAJtLT1P

    The weird thing is this nasty piece of work has been a Labour MP for over 30 years. Why?
    Because many others with similar views keep voting for him.
  • Scott_P said:

    SeanT said:

    Cameron got lucky in Scotland, after stupidly ceding too much to Salmond (question, franchise, timing, etc).

    He was lucky in his opponent.

    After getting everything he wanted (question, franchise, timing, etc) Eck still managed to blow his best and only chance.

    If Farage is his opponent next time, Cameron may just as "lucky"

    Corbyn Labour will oppose the deal Cameron gets from Europe too. And after the Greece debacle, something based on reducing the rights of British workers is hardly going to stir many hearts on the left.

    It's hard to see Out getting less than 8-10 million votes. In a relatively low turnout referendum that could well be enough. After all, how many committed Europeans are there in the UK?



  • Blue_rogBlue_rog Posts: 2,019

    Scott_P said:

    @tnewtondunn: EXCL: Police tried to arrest Jeremy Corbyn for branding British troops “murderers” at anti-war demo - senior ex-cop; http://t.co/XUvAJtLT1P

    The weird thing is this nasty piece of work has been a Labour MP for over 30 years. Why?
    'Cause that's what the left wing is like. If you don't agree with their point of view then ANY means are justified
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Dair said:

    Loyalist

    Have a biscuit
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Scott_P said:

    @tnewtondunn: EXCL: Police tried to arrest Jeremy Corbyn for branding British troops “murderers” at anti-war demo - senior ex-cop; http://t.co/XUvAJtLT1P

    Remembrance Sunday at the Cenotaph is going to be interesting.

    Odds on that Duke of Edinburgh gets him with fixed bayonet...
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Blue_rog said:

    O/T hope I get back to Blighty OK tonight. Flying BA on a 777 from Philly.

    On topic I hope our Tory government can hold the line against these nefarious foreigners, both trying to get here and trying to force us to take them!

    I flew from Philly to the UK and back many times. You'll be fine.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Scott_P said:

    SeanT said:

    Cameron got lucky in Scotland, after stupidly ceding too much to Salmond (question, franchise, timing, etc).

    He was lucky in his opponent.

    After getting everything he wanted (question, franchise, timing, etc) Eck still managed to blow his best and only chance.

    If Farage is his opponent next time, Cameron may just as "lucky"

    Corbyn Labour will oppose the deal Cameron gets from Europe too. And after the Greece debacle, something based on reducing the rights of British workers is hardly going to stir many hearts on the left.

    It's hard to see Out getting less than 8-10 million votes. In a relatively low turnout referendum that could well be enough. After all, how many committed Europeans are there in the UK?



    Yet the polls are still for in...
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    SeanT said:

    Watching the News I wonder if Britain will now vote to LEAVE.

    It might be the by product. People want to tell the EU to FECK RIGHT OFF.. so they will vote to give them a bloody nose.

    I am sick of being lectured to from the likes of Frau Merkel and that moron Hollande. They think they run Europe.

    I just might vote out if they continue like this.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @BBCNewsnight: .@BBCAllegra reports that enough Labour MPs would vote for intervention in Syria to nulify any Tory revolt against action

    @BBCNewsnight: "In truth I do regret casting that vote (against intervention in Syria)" @patmcfaddenmp tells Newsnight
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Scott_P said:

    @BBCNewsnight: .@BBCAllegra reports that enough Labour MPs would vote for intervention in Syria to nulify any Tory revolt against action

    @BBCNewsnight: "In truth I do regret casting that vote (against intervention in Syria)" @patmcfaddenmp tells Newsnight

    And this really is where deselections could kick in.
  • Scott_P said:

    SeanT said:

    Cameron got lucky in Scotland, after stupidly ceding too much to Salmond (question, franchise, timing, etc).

    He was lucky in his opponent.

    After getting everything he wanted (question, franchise, timing, etc) Eck still managed to blow his best and only chance.

    If Farage is his opponent next time, Cameron may just as "lucky"

    Corbyn Labour will oppose the deal Cameron gets from Europe too. And after the Greece debacle, something based on reducing the rights of British workers is hardly going to stir many hearts on the left.

    It's hard to see Out getting less than 8-10 million votes. In a relatively low turnout referendum that could well be enough. After all, how many committed Europeans are there in the UK?



    Yet the polls are still for in...

    Events, dear boy ...

  • Scott_P said:

    @tnewtondunn: EXCL: Police tried to arrest Jeremy Corbyn for branding British troops “murderers” at anti-war demo - senior ex-cop; http://t.co/XUvAJtLT1P

    It's a measure of the lack of freedom of speech in this country that the police think it appropriate to arrest someone simply for giving expression to a view they find offensive. Irrespective of whether it's an appropriate opinion for a senior politician to hold - or to have held - he and others should have the right to give voice to it.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Dair said:

    On top of that Winter is Coming, you better start praying its a mild one.

    Sounds like you think the SNP are incapable of running the SHS to an acceptable standard.

    Inclined to agree with you for a change.
  • Jcwnbtsog
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Scott_P said:

    @BBCNewsnight: .@BBCAllegra reports that enough Labour MPs would vote for intervention in Syria to nulify any Tory revolt against action

    @BBCNewsnight: "In truth I do regret casting that vote (against intervention in Syria)" @patmcfaddenmp tells Newsnight

    The Yemen report tommorow on Newsnight looks interesting. I must have missed the mass demonstrations protesting the Saudi airstrikes using BAE supplied planes on civilians. After all there were any number of protests when an Israeli bomb gets dropped. Maybe I missed the protests while I was on holiday.
  • Hopefully in the next hour or so, I'll be putting up Keiran's latest podcast. Worth a listen.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,956
    SeanT said:

    Imagine the kerfuffle when it is released. The Leader of the Opposition.

    Never mind that, imagine the posters and PEBs should he remain until 2020! It will make "New Labour, New Danger" look like a love letter.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Hopefully in the next hour or so, I'll be putting up Keiran's latest podcast. Worth a listen.

    Is it on AV? Pretty Please....
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,988
    edited September 2015

    Hopefully in the next hour or so, I'll be putting up Keiran's latest podcast. Worth a listen.

    Is it on AV? Pretty Please....
    No. I keep on pestering Keiran do a podcast with me on electoral reform but he's always busy for some reason
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474

    Scott_P said:

    @tnewtondunn: EXCL: Police tried to arrest Jeremy Corbyn for branding British troops “murderers” at anti-war demo - senior ex-cop; http://t.co/XUvAJtLT1P

    Remembrance Sunday at the Cenotaph is going to be interesting.

    Odds on that Duke of Edinburgh gets him with fixed bayonet...
    On current form, Corbyn's daft enough to turn up with a megaphone and make an anti war speech during the Minute's Silence.
  • Dair said:

    Scott_P said:

    SeanT said:

    Cameron got lucky in Scotland, after stupidly ceding too much to Salmond (question, franchise, timing, etc).

    He was lucky in his opponent.

    After getting everything he wanted (question, franchise, timing, etc) Eck still managed to blow his best and only chance.

    If Farage is his opponent next time, Cameron may just as "lucky"
    Haha.

    I thought you've be paying attention to the twitter given your ability to pull the most idiotic Loyalist nonsense on a regular basis.

    How about this one

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/641566663838670848

    Things are not looking good for Loyalism at the moment. On top of that Winter is Coming, you better start praying its a mild one.
    The plastic Jocks are particularly antsy because their 'SCons will become the natural party of opposition at Holyrood' bollocks is looking like, well, bollocks.

    'Labour rose three percentage points to 23%, Conservative support stood at 12% (unchanged) with the Liberal Democrats on 5% (up 2 points).'
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    isam said:

    Plato said:
    There were arrests in Bulgaria last week of terrorist refugees weren't there?

    This is obviously going to happen, I'm sure there can't be anyone on here that doubts it
    I know a gentleman very high in interpol, I dont know if what he told me is public knowledge anyway, but they caught someone they had wanted for a very long time, a senior operative, he didnt say if it was in isil or Al Queda, trying to sneak in. It was the fingerprints that they caught him on.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "This earthquake in social attitudes, the key to our political landscape, was captured in a little-noticed poll of 12,000 voters on election day by Lord Ashcroft, the Tory peer. The vast majority - 71 per cent - of Tory voters sensibly agreed that “overall, life in Britain is better than it was 30 years ago”. Shockingly, despite the substantial improvements to medical technology, incomes and life expectancy of the past 30 years, 51 per cent of Labour supporters disagreed. To them, 1985 was a better time, despite the unavailability of so many of the goods and services we now take for granted, the violent strikes, the Brixton race riots, the discrimination, the limited opportunities for women and of course the crippling 11.4 per cent rate of unemployment."

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/11854403/A-bright-new-optimism-is-sweeping-Britain-and-it-hails-from-the-Right.html#comment-2245013983
  • glwglw Posts: 9,956

    The Yemen report tommorow on Newsnight looks interesting. I must have missed the mass demonstrations protesting the Saudi airstrikes using BAE supplied planes on civilians. After all there were any number of protests when an Israeli bomb gets dropped. Maybe I missed the protests while I was on holiday.

    Yemen always get overlooked. Yet that is where the first US citizen was killed by a US UCAV, and there have been many civilian deaths from such strikes, and the fight against AQAP and its allies has been brutal.
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293

    Scott_P said:

    @tnewtondunn: EXCL: Police tried to arrest Jeremy Corbyn for branding British troops “murderers” at anti-war demo - senior ex-cop; http://t.co/XUvAJtLT1P

    It's a measure of the lack of freedom of speech in this country that the police think it appropriate to arrest someone simply for giving expression to a view they find offensive. Irrespective of whether it's an appropriate opinion for a senior politician to hold - or to have held - he and others should have the right to give voice to it.
    It sounds like it was more incitement. Freedom of speech does not mean being able to shout fire in a crowded theatre...
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    watford30 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @tnewtondunn: EXCL: Police tried to arrest Jeremy Corbyn for branding British troops “murderers” at anti-war demo - senior ex-cop; http://t.co/XUvAJtLT1P

    Remembrance Sunday at the Cenotaph is going to be interesting.

    Odds on that Duke of Edinburgh gets him with fixed bayonet...
    On current form, Corbyn's daft enough to turn up with a megaphone and make an anti war speech during the Minute's Silence.
    To be honest I think he will not show up. The remembrance day parade contains every element that he hates: royalty, national pride, the military past and present, religion and tradition. Could anything be more anathema to him?
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    edited September 2015
    Scott_P said:

    The economy in the North East of Scotland is booming indeed.
    Well, for one guy...
    @HTScotPol: NEW: Alex Salmond earning more than £2000 a week for his newspaper columns
    http://t.co/RWdL7cOBKw http://t.co/TXSxoL8Whb

    Crikey - more than 2 grand a week is more than 100k a year on top of his 75 grand as an MP!
    Forgive me for spelling it out giving his pay weekly makes him sound like a footballer.

    I guess you are alluding to all the jobs lost because of the falling the oil price - which is a worry. I do not see the price rising for some time. Do the Scottish govt have any plans to counteract this - if it were an independent nation?
    '' Last year, more was spent than was earned from production, a situation which has been exacerbated by the continued fall in commodity prices''
    http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/sep/09/uk-oil-and-gas-industry-further-job-cuts
  • Loyalist Nicola Sturgeon was singing God Save the Queen next to her monarch today. The First Minister's loyalty to the crown, like her predessor's, is something Jezza C will never replicate.
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    Dair said:



    I thought you've be paying attention to the twitter given your ability to pull the most idiotic Loyalist nonsense on a regular basis.
    8

    Things are not looking good for Loyalism at the moment. On top of that Winter is Coming, you better start praying its a mild one.


    Well, in thirty five years time when you get another "once in a generation" referendum, we'll look at the polls. Until then..
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    I guess you are alluding to all the jobs lost because of the falling the oil price - which is a worry. I do not see the price rising for some time. Do the Scottish govt have any plans to counteract this - if it were an independent nation?
    '' Last year, more was spent than was earned from production, a situation which has been exacerbated by the continued fall in commodity prices''
    http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/sep/09/uk-oil-and-gas-industry-further-job-cuts

    @BBCDouglasF: More could be spent on decommissioning offshore equipment by 2019 than is spent on developing new fields that year: @WoodMackenzie

    @BBCDouglasF: ~140 UK oil+gas fields to close in next 5yrs even if oil price rises to $85: at $70, 50 shut early: only 38 coming on stream: @WoodMackenzie
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Utterly bizarre — 51% of Labour voters at the election preferred the Britain of 1985 to today, the height of Thatcherism.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,055
    Dair said:

    Scott_P said:

    SeanT said:

    Cameron got lucky in Scotland, after stupidly ceding too much to Salmond (question, franchise, timing, etc).

    He was lucky in his opponent.

    After getting everything he wanted (question, franchise, timing, etc) Eck still managed to blow his best and only chance.

    If Farage is his opponent next time, Cameron may just as "lucky"
    Haha.

    I thought you've be paying attention to the twitter given your ability to pull the most idiotic Loyalist nonsense on a regular basis.

    How about this one

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/641566663838670848

    Things are not looking good for Loyalism at the moment. On top of that Winter is Coming, you better start praying its a mild one.
    So Yes still under 50% including undecideds (as was indeed the case in Quebec in 1995 when No came from behind to win) not to mention there have been polls since the election showing No ahead too. In any case there is EUref first and if that is Out then rUK will have effectively kicked Scotland out by default
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited September 2015
    AndyJS said:

    Utterly bizarre — 51% of Labour voters at the election preferred the Britain of 1985 to today, the height of Thatcherism.

    Because the current government is more right-wing (economically and on public services) than Thatcher, atleast to my mind.
  • Dair wishing death on the elderly must be some kind of PB low.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    They had Fatcher to hate and scabs?
    AndyJS said:

    Utterly bizarre — 51% of Labour voters at the election preferred the Britain of 1985 to today, the height of Thatcherism.

  • JWisemannJWisemann Posts: 1,082
    edited September 2015
    Yep, I'm sure a completely unsubstantiated and evidence-free smear from the heart of two of the UK's most discredited and corrupt institutions, the Met and the Sun, is really going to hit hard amongst the unconverted.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    notme said:

    isam said:

    Plato said:
    There were arrests in Bulgaria last week of terrorist refugees weren't there?

    This is obviously going to happen, I'm sure there can't be anyone on here that doubts it
    I know a gentleman very high in interpol, I dont know if what he told me is public knowledge anyway, but they caught someone they had wanted for a very long time, a senior operative, he didnt say if it was in isil or Al Queda, trying to sneak in. It was the fingerprints that they caught him on.
    It amazes me that the people pleading for us to take in x amount of the migrants that are already in Europe don't give more thought to this. I can only think that because it is what Farage predicted, they'd rather be on the opposite side of the argument than admit he had a point. Same as Enoch deniers

    My enemies enemy, a corbynistic trait
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited September 2015
    JWisemann said:

    Yep, I'm sure a completely unsubstantiated and evidence-free smear from the heart of two of the UK's most discredited and corrupt institutions, the Met and the Sun, is really going to hit hard amongst the unconverted.

    They should have run the story in the lefty Mirror too.

    How much have they paid out for phone hacking so far?
  • Danny565 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Utterly bizarre — 51% of Labour voters at the election preferred the Britain of 1985 to today, the height of Thatcherism.

    Because the current government is more right-wing (economically and on public services) than Thatcher, atleast to my mind.

    More opportunities for a wider range of people in the 80s; and a far more generous and expansive welfare state. Better music too, and we were all younger. The 70s and 80s were superb, Militant notwithstanding.

  • notme said:

    Dair said:



    I thought you've be paying attention to the twitter given your ability to pull the most idiotic Loyalist nonsense on a regular basis.
    8

    Things are not looking good for Loyalism at the moment. On top of that Winter is Coming, you better start praying its a mild one.


    Well, in thirty five years time when you get another "once in a generation" referendum, we'll look at the polls. Until then..
    Lets face it Dair
    notme said:

    Dair said:



    I thought you've be paying attention to the twitter given your ability to pull the most idiotic Loyalist nonsense on a regular basis.
    8

    Things are not looking good for Loyalism at the moment. On top of that Winter is Coming, you better start praying its a mild one.

    Well, in thirty five years time when you get another "once in a generation" referendum, we'll look at the polls. Until then..
    Lets face it Dair is right loyally screwed. Trying to use 'Loyalism' as a pejorative (presumably in a red hand gang black and tan association) is particularly crass. But no surprise given his increasing desperation.
  • JWisemannJWisemann Posts: 1,082
    all Corbyn is asking for is policies from 1985 era thatcher, like nationalised railways and an NHS free from privatisation for instance.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,956
    edited September 2015
    AndyJS said:

    Utterly bizarre — 51% of Labour voters at the election preferred the Britain of 1985 to today, the height of Thatcherism.

    Didn't someone on here yesterday say that Osborne was more right-wing than Thatcher? Laughable nonsense.

    Maybe a lot of Labour supporters do think that the recent "austerity" is worse than what happened in the 80s. But that implies that either a) they don't understand, or b) the don't remember, or c) they weren't around (or at least old enough to recall). I don't suppose there are many people who do remember and/or understand what's happened recently (we have been very lucky) and back in the 1980s who will share that opinion.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,956
    Danny565 said:

    Because the current government is more right-wing (economically and on public services) than Thatcher, atleast to my mind.

    Bollocks.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108

    Dair wishing death on the elderly must be some kind of PB low.

    V***** S*********
  • JWisemannJWisemann Posts: 1,082
    Of course top rate of tax was 60% in 1985 too. Thatcher was a corbynite loony leftist.
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    Plato said:
    Is Corbyn a posho then? Which school?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    Dair said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dair said:

    Omnium said:

    I'm not a believer in God, or a great fan of the Monarchy. Nevertheless you feel you want to say 'God save the Queen' on a day like this. What an amazing reign she's had.

    The idea of celebrating Britain's most successful Benefits Scrounger, paying homage to a person based on their birth or continuing such an archaic, worthless tradition fills me with disgust.
    You are being a bit rude about Nicola. She probably is nicer about you.
    A woman who has dedicated 60+ years of her life to a job she did not ask to do without complaint and without putting barely a foot wrong and who still has higher approval ratings than any politician in the UK, including Sturgeon
    "Dedicated"? You are a loon.

    Dedicated is not how you describe a few hours "work" a week in return for 10s of millions of pounds (etc etc)
    .
    Dedicated may not be the word you use to describe Her Majesty, but, right or wrong, it is how the majority of this nation would use to describe her and her work. It's fine if you think that is wrong, but I think it would be wrong to describe in such certain terms as though an unquestionable fact something the majority view as the exact opposite.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    With all the angst, this seemed appropriate https://twitter.com/SkepticalHusky/status/641437431066165248
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Lets face it Dair is right loyally screwed.

    The republicans were right Royally screwed today. Magnificent stuff
  • Dair said:

    Dair wishing death on the elderly must be some kind of PB low.

    V***** S*********

    You love Scotland so much you are desperate for large numbers of the people who live there to die. Freeeeeddddooooommmmm.

  • JWisemannJWisemann Posts: 1,082
    He went to a grammar school, which is obviously of massive interest.
  • notme said:

    Scott_P said:

    @tnewtondunn: EXCL: Police tried to arrest Jeremy Corbyn for branding British troops “murderers” at anti-war demo - senior ex-cop; http://t.co/XUvAJtLT1P

    It's a measure of the lack of freedom of speech in this country that the police think it appropriate to arrest someone simply for giving expression to a view they find offensive. Irrespective of whether it's an appropriate opinion for a senior politician to hold - or to have held - he and others should have the right to give voice to it.
    It sounds like it was more incitement. Freedom of speech does not mean being able to shout fire in a crowded theatre...
    I very much doubt that any court would consider chanting of "British troops: murderers" to be in any meaningful sense incitement. Had they been chanting "kill the murderers", that would indeed be different.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    JWisemann said:

    all Corbyn is asking for is policies from 1985 era thatcher, like nationalised railways and an NHS free from privatisation for instance.

    In all fairness, even if those policies would no longer be appropriate today (those examples I am not actually opposed to, if they would work and could be paid for reasonably), it's his foreign policy, his questionable associations on pathetic justifications, his lack of parliamentary loyalty, and his utter inflexibility which are probably more problematic than domestic policy.
  • JWisemannJWisemann Posts: 1,082
    edited September 2015
    I thought reposting moronic click bait from the Telegraph and Mail wasn't deemed acceptable here any more, or was it just that Plato disappeared for a bit?
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