Sadiq could be a contender for Shadow Home Secretary if he doesn't win. The real value bet on a female Shadow Chancellor is Angela Eagle and not Diane Abbott.
Both value tips IMO.
If Cooper wins (we really don't know for sure what's happening), perhaps Umunna?
Assuming Corbyn wins, Meacher seems good value. He and Corbyn are of similar vintage and longstanding allies. Corbyn will want someone of like mind as SCOE, and Meacher has some experience of the tools of government.
OT. Today is an anniversary for those who are not fans of Roman Imperial predation. twitter.com/DanHannanMEP/status/641503102697361408
Germans knew how to arrange a welcome for mediterranean migrants in those days!
very witty!
Those who got killed in the fighting were the lucky ones.
True. An example of the vile sadism that has erupted from so called "Homo Sapiens" throughout history and continues to the present day.
Why do we enjoy inflicting pain on others so much, especially those who are defeated and helpless?
I doubt if it was all down to sheer sadism in this case (although it must have been a factor). The Germans thought they were honouring their gods by drowning captured Romans in bogs, or nailing them to trees.
Of course, the Romans could be pretty ghastly to their enemies. Sean T's account of the sorts of things that took place in the Arena was stomach-churning.
The lunacy of All Things Corbyn is underlined by the name at the top of the list. John McDonnell. Here is the Guardian reporting on him a few years ago:
"At a gathering to commemorate the IRA hunger striker Bobby Sands, Mr McDonnell said: "It's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA.""
The lunacy of All Things Corbyn is underlined by the name at the top of the list. John McDonnell. Here is the Guardian reporting on him a few years ago:
"At a gathering to commemorate the IRA hunger striker Bobby Sands, Mr McDonnell said: "It's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA.""
The Labour leadership had to distance themselves from McDonnell, and there were serious calls for him to be expelled from the party.
Now he will be Corbyn's Shadow Chancellor. Labour's self mutilation continues.
So McDonnell actually supported the IRA's terrorism campaign against the British people? Unbelievable.
He not only supported the IRA's terrorism, he thinks WE, THE BRITISH, SHOULD HONOUR THE IRA FOR BOMBING AND SHOOTING US.
These people are utterly despicable. Quite revolting.
Shadow Chancellor????
Nick will tell you this does not really matter and that the British public do not care. I choose to believe that Nick is neither wicked nor genuinely stupid, but that like many other Labour members he is in a state of deep grief, has surrounded himself with others in a similar state and is not yet capable of moving on from that. If I am wrong, Labour is finished, over and dead.
Let's say Jezza gets in, starts to assemble his shadow cabinet, and surely then must reward his supporters who are like-minded souls.
We would then have the prospect of him looking at Diane Abbott and in all likelihood thinking: "nah, she's bonkers.."
Perhaps it might shock him into some kind of reality realising that some Labour MPs really are only there for show and to play a role in exemplifying and keeping alive particular policy extremes, rather than actually to govern themselves. Labour MPs such as himself, for example.
PB is brilliant. Just great when someone uses words to outline a sense, a feeling, that has been brewing in my head for years but cannot be expressed. Post of the day.
Mr. T, especially concerning given the current (and declining) situation in Northern Ireland.
Shadow Chancellor: John McDonnell
Shadow Foreign Secretary: Diane Abbott
Shadow Home Secretary: Sadiq Khan
Shadow Defence Secretary: Denis Skinner
CON gain Bootle?
Maybe not Bootle (Merseyside is, incredibly, still trending leftwards).
But Southampton Test, Newcastle under Lyme, Stoke South, Derbyshire NE, Bridgend, Ynys Mon, Middlesborough East, are the sort of seats that I think would be vulnerable to the Conservatives under a Corbyn leadership.
The core cities and bastions of metropolitan absurdity would be fairly safe. But Corbyn could drop to 190-210 seats and the Conservative majority rise to 50-80.
That will make a very big task for any Labour leader to win in 2025.
I am sure that all PC PBers will be wanting to see a Dwarf free panto this Winterval; and there is now that prospect. No such thing as "bad publicity" they say!
Mr. Disraeli, barbarism long ago was due to a lack of rule of law allowing, and sometimes encouraging, extreme cruelty.
ISIS is entirely voluntary in its barbarism. Because when you think God is on your side, you can do anything.
"lack of the rule of law" - good point about the value of good laws and procedures.
It links with the discussion on the previous thread about drone attacks on ISIS scumbags. IIRC few disagreed with the end result, but several had misgivings about the procedure for doing it. No all cases are as "open and shut" as the recent one.
Mr. Disraeli, barbarism long ago was due to a lack of rule of law allowing, and sometimes encouraging, extreme cruelty.
ISIS is entirely voluntary in its barbarism. Because when you think God is on your side, you can do anything.
It's not just those who believe God is on their side who inflict pain. The Communists and Fascists and Khmer Rouge and countless others did so. The willingness to commit evil is not contingent on belief in a Supreme Being.
Sandy as you will know, the Lake District is similar terrain to he whisky brewing areas of Scotland..The water used is filtered through the peaty earth on the north side of Skiddaw..and we will need an English supply when the fence goes up..
Mr. Dodd, I think you will find that there is already a whisky distillery in the Lake District, though it is so new that I doubt if its products have yet come to market. There are also whisky distilleries in Cornwall and Norfolk that I am aware of though not tried. Additionally there is, or at least was, one in Wales that produced a fairly decent drink.
So when the fence does go up I think we will be OK and anyway I am sure the smugglers will be running the good stuff down from Islay in small boats.
Mr. T, especially concerning given the current (and declining) situation in Northern Ireland.
Shadow Chancellor: John McDonnell
Shadow Foreign Secretary: Diane Abbott
Shadow Home Secretary: Sadiq Khan
Shadow Defence Secretary: Denis Skinner
CON gain Bootle?
Maybe not Bootle (Merseyside is, incredibly, still trending leftwards).
But Southampton Test, Newcastle under Lyme, Stoke South, Derbyshire NE, Bridgend, Ynys Mon, Middlesborough East, are the sort of seats that I think would be vulnerable to the Conservatives under a Corbyn leadership.
The core cities and bastions of metropolitan absurdity would be fairly safe. But Corbyn could drop to 190-210 seats and the Conservative majority rise to 50-80.
That will make a very big task for any Labour leader to win in 2025.
OT. Today is an anniversary for those who are not fans of Roman Imperial predation. twitter.com/DanHannanMEP/status/641503102697361408
Germans knew how to arrange a welcome for mediterranean migrants in those days!
very witty!
Those who got killed in the fighting were the lucky ones.
True. An example of the vile sadism that has erupted from so called "Homo Sapiens" throughout history and continues to the present day.
Why do we enjoy inflicting pain on others so much, especially those who are defeated and helpless?
I doubt if it was all down to sheer sadism in this case (although it must have been a factor). The Germans thought they were honouring their gods by drowning captured Romans in bogs, or nailing them to trees.
Of course, the Romans could be pretty ghastly to their enemies. Sean T's account of the sorts of things that took place in the Arena was stomach-churning.
Human beings are very adept at devising cruel and unusual punishments for their fellow man, because they get a sadistic quasi-sexual thrill out of it. Probably because they can imagine it being done to them.
It's a very dark side of the human psyche. Thankfully, in the West at least, we now limits its indulgence to video games and watching Game of Thrones.
Mr. Disraeli, barbarism long ago was due to a lack of rule of law allowing, and sometimes encouraging, extreme cruelty.
ISIS is entirely voluntary in its barbarism. Because when you think God is on your side, you can do anything.
It's not just those who believe God is on their side who inflict pain. The Communists and Fascists and Khmer Rouge and countless others did so. The willingness to commit evil is not contingent on belief in a Supreme Being.
And in some cases (eg the Roman Arena) sheer delight in inflicting pain and sexual degradation on people.
The lunacy of All Things Corbyn is underlined by the name at the top of the list. John McDonnell. Here is the Guardian reporting on him a few years ago:
"At a gathering to commemorate the IRA hunger striker Bobby Sands, Mr McDonnell said: "It's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA.""
The Labour leadership had to distance themselves from McDonnell, and there were serious calls for him to be expelled from the party.
Now he will be Corbyn's Shadow Chancellor. Labour's self mutilation continues.
So McDonnell actually supported the IRA's terrorism campaign against the British people? Unbelievable.
He not only supported the IRA's terrorism, he thinks WE, THE BRITISH, SHOULD HONOUR THE IRA FOR BOMBING AND SHOOTING US.
These people are utterly despicable. Quite revolting.
Shadow Chancellor????
Nick will tell you this does not really matter and that the British public do not care. I choose to believe that Nick is neither wicked nor genuinely stupid, but that like many other Labour members he is in a state of deep grief, has surrounded himself with others in a similar state and is not yet capable of moving on from that. If I am wrong, Labour is finished, over and dead.
Nick - like many of us - believes what he would like to be true: that Corbyn is seeking agreement and talks, that these ghastly people are really quite reasonable underneath if only we could find out why they are so upset, that if we only met them half-way, all would be well in the best of all possible worlds, that everyone is basically like us and wants the same things as us and that it is hugely bad form of others to point out inconvenient facts which contradict this vew.
This tendency - to let your opinion determine the facts you take account of - is not confined to the Left of course. It's just that at the moment we are having a reduction ad absurdum example from them.
The lunacy of All Things Corbyn is underlined by the name at the top of the list. John McDonnell. Here is the Guardian reporting on him a few years ago:
"The fascism of the Islamists is so blindingly obvious, it astonishes me the Left cannot see it. I wrote about it in the Telegraph
I've come to the conclusion that the Left is now so desperate, so bereft of hope and ideas as they digest the death of Marxism and glumly contemplate Chinese-capitalist globalism, that they will entertain anything - literally ANYTHING - that seems to challenge the Anglo-Saxon capitalist worldview. Even better if it comes from non-white people.
Thus the embrace of the most putrid, fascistic values inherent in Islamism. They're ok coz Islamists hate us. That's good enough for the likes of Corbyn, Palmer, the Guardian, most comedians, and so forth."
These two quotes by Camus and Tony Judt are apposite I think:-
"Mistaken ideas always end in bloodshed but in every case it is someone else's blood . That is why some of our thinkers feel free to say just about anything."
and
"Totalitarianism of the Left, much like an earlier totalitarianism of the Right, was about violence and power and control, and it appealed because of these features, not in spite of them."
I think that we have to accept that it's not just turning a blind eye to the violence which is going on but that some people are positively attracted to ideologies and groups which, in the cause of creating a new Utopia, are so willing to destroy everything and everyone who stands in their way.
It may be uncomfortable to say this but violence is more attractive to some than we might be willing to admit.
Too true, just too true ....anyone familiar with the history of the former Soviet union and its supporters will instantly recognise the M O in embryonic form in Western Socialist parties ; it's not what they've done but what they would do , if they could !
''The kulaks must be liquidated as a class '' !
That authoritarian utopian impulse is merely the religious impulse shoe horned into secular politics ; the murderous religious fanaticism of the 16th C returned in the 20th C in the great totalitarian movements of State , Class and Race
Sandy as you will know, the Lake District is similar terrain to he whisky brewing areas of Scotland..The water used is filtered through the peaty earth on the north side of Skiddaw..and we will need an English supply when the fence goes up..
Mr. Dodd, I think you will find that there is already a whisky distillery in the Lake District, though it is so new that I doubt if its products have yet come to market. There are also whisky distilleries in Cornwall and Norfolk that I am aware of though not tried. Additionally there is, or at least was, one in Wales that produced a fairly decent drink.
So when the fence does go up I think we will be OK and anyway I am sure the smugglers will be running the good stuff down from Islay in small boats.
Mr Llama, the RAF tribute thread has been postponed until tomorrow or Friday now.
OT. Today is an anniversary for those who are not fans of Roman Imperial predation. twitter.com/DanHannanMEP/status/641503102697361408
Germans knew how to arrange a welcome for mediterranean migrants in those days!
very witty!
Those who got killed in the fighting were the lucky ones.
True. An example of the vile sadism that has erupted from so called "Homo Sapiens" throughout history and continues to the present day.
Why do we enjoy inflicting pain on others so much, especially those who are defeated and helpless?
I doubt if it was all down to sheer sadism in this case (although it must have been a factor). The Germans thought they were honouring their gods by drowning captured Romans in bogs, or nailing them to trees.
Of course, the Romans could be pretty ghastly to their enemies. Sean T's account of the sorts of things that took place in the Arena was stomach-churning.
Human beings are very adept at devising cruel and unusual punishments for their fellow man, because they get a sadistic quasi-sexual thrill out of it. Probably because they can imagine it being done to them.
It's a very dark side of the human psyche. Thankfully, in the West at least, we now limits its indulgence to video games and watching Game of Thrones.
There's still a flourishing sub-culture in the West that practises that sort of thing. In the event of civil war, or revolution, people like that would come to the fore.
It reminds of the Your Dictator Was Worse Than My Dictator discussion we had a couple of weeks ago. Only Team Corbyn appears to have cornered the market here.
The lunacy of All Things Corbyn is underlined by the name at the top of the list. John McDonnell. Here is the Guardian reporting on him a few years ago:
"At a gathering to commemorate the IRA hunger striker Bobby Sands, Mr McDonnell said: "It's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA.""
The Labour leadership had to distance themselves from McDonnell, and there were serious calls for him to be expelled from the party.
Now he will be Corbyn's Shadow Chancellor. Labour's self mutilation continues.
So McDonnell actually supported the IRA's terrorism campaign against the British people? Unbelievable.
He not only supported the IRA's terrorism, he thinks WE, THE BRITISH, SHOULD HONOUR THE IRA FOR BOMBING AND SHOOTING US.
These people are utterly despicable. Quite revolting.
Shadow Chancellor????
Nick will tell you this does not really matter and that the British public do not care. I choose to believe that Nick is neither wicked nor genuinely stupid, but that like many other Labour members he is in a state of deep grief, has surrounded himself with others in a similar state and is not yet capable of moving on from that. If I am wrong, Labour is finished, over and dead.
Nick - like many of us - believes what he would like to be true: that Corbyn is seeking agreement and talks, that these ghastly people are really quite reasonable underneath if only we could find out why they are so upset, that if we only met them half-way, all would be well in the best of all possible worlds, that everyone is basically like us and wants the same things as us and that it is hugely bad form of others to point out inconvenient facts which contradict this vew.
This tendency - to let your opinion determine the facts you take account of - is not confined to the Left of course. It's just that at the moment we are having a reduction ad absurdum example from them.
Michael Dugher MPVerified account @MichaelDugher With thousands still to vote & many not had their ballot, @UKLabour has closed the call centre to help members trying to vote. Unbelievable
From John Harris of the Guardian.
@johnharris1969: cheers Labour. Years of membership, 16 hours till ballot closes and still no vote. Not that you have aspirations to run the country or owt
Is a farce that Pulpstar signed up about 20mins before the deadline and got his voting stuff very early.
Sandy as you will know, the Lake District is similar terrain to he whisky brewing areas of Scotland..The water used is filtered through the peaty earth on the north side of Skiddaw..and we will need an English supply when the fence goes up..
Mr. Dodd, I think you will find that there is already a whisky distillery in the Lake District, though it is so new that I doubt if its products have yet come to market. There are also whisky distilleries in Cornwall and Norfolk that I am aware of though not tried. Additionally there is, or at least was, one in Wales that produced a fairly decent drink.
So when the fence does go up I think we will be OK and anyway I am sure the smugglers will be running the good stuff down from Islay in small boats.
Mr Llama, the RAF tribute thread has been postponed until tomorrow or Friday now.
Dang! I have already agreed to go shopping with Herself.
Michael Dugher MPVerified account @MichaelDugher With thousands still to vote & many not had their ballot, @UKLabour has closed the call centre to help members trying to vote. Unbelievable
Sandy as you will know, the Lake District is similar terrain to he whisky brewing areas of Scotland..The water used is filtered through the peaty earth on the north side of Skiddaw..and we will need an English supply when the fence goes up..
Mr. Dodd, I think you will find that there is already a whisky distillery in the Lake District, though it is so new that I doubt if its products have yet come to market. There are also whisky distilleries in Cornwall and Norfolk that I am aware of though not tried. Additionally there is, or at least was, one in Wales that produced a fairly decent drink.
So when the fence does go up I think we will be OK and anyway I am sure the smugglers will be running the good stuff down from Islay in small boats.
Mr Llama, the RAF tribute thread has been postponed until tomorrow or Friday now.
Dang! I have already agreed to go shopping with Herself.
Blame Mike. He's written a thread for the afternoon and well it would be rude not to publish it.
It seems to me that Corbyn is a very safe bet now , all that is in doubt is how big will his victory be ...I am confident that he will win on the first ballot , probably beating Tony Blair's first ballot victory
I am quite certain the Labour leadershop are doing their best to fix this election, prevent the three quidders (like me) from voting, and somehow keep Corbyn waiting at the door.
Question is whether they will manage the task. On prior evidence of ineptitude, probably not.
On prior evidence, they'll probably contrive to accidently elect Diane Abbott.
Quite how the Lib Dems think that fighting on and on with this case and an argument that our chap is a liar but its ok as its just politics, is a good thing for the long term image of the LDs in Scotland just beggars belief. It is a bit like the Rennard matter, they do not have the cojones to deal quickly with big embarrassments.
PS as an aside the impressive QC for Carmichael's opponents attacked the BBC news report from the previous day as misleading, so best to stick with STV (no not AV TSE).
Mr. T, especially concerning given the current (and declining) situation in Northern Ireland.
Shadow Chancellor: John McDonnell
Shadow Foreign Secretary: Diane Abbott
Shadow Home Secretary: Sadiq Khan
Shadow Defence Secretary: Denis Skinner
CON gain Bootle?
Maybe not Bootle (Merseyside is, incredibly, still trending leftwards).
But Southampton Test, Newcastle under Lyme, Stoke South, Derbyshire NE, Bridgend, Ynys Mon, Middlesborough East, are the sort of seats that I think would be vulnerable to the Conservatives under a Corbyn leadership.
The core cities and bastions of metropolitan absurdity would be fairly safe. But Corbyn could drop to 190-210 seats and the Conservative majority rise to 50-80.
That will make a very big task for any Labour leader to win in 2025.
Except he won't be there by 2020.
You hope.
Labour have never been very good at removing leaders. Nothing we have seen so far in this utter farce of a Leadership election would suggest that they're even vaguely capable of doing so now. They'd have problems running a bath.
Michael Dugher MPVerified account @MichaelDugher With thousands still to vote & many not had their ballot, @UKLabour has closed the call centre to help members trying to vote. Unbelievable
From John Harris of the Guardian.
@johnharris1969: cheers Labour. Years of membership, 16 hours till ballot closes and still no vote. Not that you have aspirations to run the country or owt
Is a farce that Pulpstar signed up about 20mins before the deadline and got his voting stuff very early.
This whole leadership election has been a cockumental festival of flailing hopelessness. Brilliant.
Friday night's thread is about thanking Labour for all this fun they've given us this summer.
Mr. Disraeli, et al, I can strongly recommend Sean McGlynn's By Sword and Fire. It's about medieval brutality (mostly in warfare) and does a great job of explaining why such cruelty flourished during that period. Part of it was the weakness of states, which meant law-breaking was rampant and the people were fully supportive of the harshest measures being taken against criminals because there was such fear of law-breakers.
I have mentioned it a few times before, but it really is an interesting book.
Two weeks ago it was reported that 60% had voted , then a week ago it had dropped to 50% had voted and now we are still getting reports of lots of votes not sent out...... Has there been a more badly run Leadership election?
I am quite certain the Labour leadershop are doing their best to fix this election, prevent the three quidders (like me) from voting, and somehow keep Corbyn waiting at the door.
Question is whether they will manage the task. On prior evidence of ineptitude, probably not.
On prior evidence, they'll probably contrive to accidently elect Diane Abbott.
I'm hoping Labour choose her as their Mayoral candidate.
Michael Dugher MPVerified account @MichaelDugher With thousands still to vote & many not had their ballot, @UKLabour has closed the call centre to help members trying to vote. Unbelievable
From John Harris of the Guardian.
@johnharris1969: cheers Labour. Years of membership, 16 hours till ballot closes and still no vote. Not that you have aspirations to run the country or owt
Is a farce that Pulpstar signed up about 20mins before the deadline and got his voting stuff very early.
This whole leadership election has been a cockumental festival of flailing hopelessness. Brilliant.
Friday night's thread is about thanking Labour for all this fun they've given us this summer.
We might not see anything like this ever again
Certainly not from them....if they have any sense whatsoever.
Quite how the Lib Dems think that fighting on and on with this case and an argument that our chap is a liar but its ok as its just politics, is a good thing for the long term image of the LDs in Scotland just beggars belief. It is a bit like the Rennard matter, they do not have the cojones to deal quickly with big embarrassments.
PS as an aside the impressive QC for Carmichael's opponents attacked the BBC news report from the previous day as misleading, so best to stick with STV (no not AV TSE).
Carmichael has robbed the LibDems of any ability to point to the other parties and bemoan how their low tactics destroy the voters' faith in politics.
Or maybe not. After all, they are the biggest bunch of hypocritical shits we have seen in our lifetimes (JackW included).
Michael Dugher MPVerified account @MichaelDugher With thousands still to vote & many not had their ballot, @UKLabour has closed the call centre to help members trying to vote. Unbelievable
From John Harris of the Guardian.
@johnharris1969: cheers Labour. Years of membership, 16 hours till ballot closes and still no vote. Not that you have aspirations to run the country or owt
Is a farce that Pulpstar signed up about 20mins before the deadline and got his voting stuff very early.
This whole leadership election has been a cockumental festival of flailing hopelessness. Brilliant.
Friday night's thread is about thanking Labour for all this fun they've given us this summer.
We might not see anything like this ever again
I take it you are aware the Labour Mayoral announcement is Friday? Probably.
I am quite certain the Labour leadershop are doing their best to fix this election, prevent the three quidders (like me) from voting, and somehow keep Corbyn waiting at the door.
Question is whether they will manage the task. On prior evidence of ineptitude, probably not.
On prior evidence, they'll probably contrive to accidently elect Diane Abbott.
I'm hoping Labour choose her as their Mayoral candidate.
Two weeks ago it was reported that 60% had voted , then a week ago it had dropped to 50% had voted and now we are still getting reports of lots of votes not sent out...... Has there been a more badly run Leadership election?
No, but this one wasn't great. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_(UK)_leadership_election,_2001 " Many questioned the validity of MPs eliminating the candidates, potentially denying the ordinary members the opportunity to vote for a favourite candidate (Ann Widdecombe declined to run because she believed she would not reach the last round). Others questioned how it could be claimed that the eventual winner could be assured of support among MPs (the argument often given for previous elections being conducted by MPs only and now for holding these initial rounds) as in the final round each had attracted the support of only a third of the Parliamentary Party. " "the lack of provision of a tie and the delay in appointing a returning officer also sparked concerns, with the former point also leading to ridicule from political opponents."
Michael Dugher MPVerified account @MichaelDugher With thousands still to vote & many not had their ballot, @UKLabour has closed the call centre to help members trying to vote. Unbelievable
From John Harris of the Guardian.
@johnharris1969: cheers Labour. Years of membership, 16 hours till ballot closes and still no vote. Not that you have aspirations to run the country or owt
Is a farce that Pulpstar signed up about 20mins before the deadline and got his voting stuff very early.
This whole leadership election has been a cockumental festival of flailing hopelessness. Brilliant.
Friday night's thread is about thanking Labour for all this fun they've given us this summer.
We might not see anything like this ever again
I take it you are aware the Labour Mayoral announcement is Friday? Probably.
Yup, shortly after Midday.
That thread will be written from the Cathedral of Cricket, Headingley as England take on the Flaming Galahs of Australia.
Mr. Disraeli, barbarism long ago was due to a lack of rule of law allowing, and sometimes encouraging, extreme cruelty.
ISIS is entirely voluntary in its barbarism. Because when you think God is on your side, you can do anything.
It's not just those who believe God is on their side who inflict pain. The Communists and Fascists and Khmer Rouge and countless others did so. The willingness to commit evil is not contingent on belief in a Supreme Being.
And in some cases (eg the Roman Arena) sheer delight in inflicting pain and sexual degradation on people.
I am quite certain the Labour leadershop are doing their best to fix this election, prevent the three quidders (like me) from voting, and somehow keep Corbyn waiting at the door.
Question is whether they will manage the task. On prior evidence of ineptitude, probably not.
I'm seeing plenty of Cooper and Burnham supporters kicking up a fuss, looks like utter ineptitude.
Michael Dugher MPVerified account @MichaelDugher With thousands still to vote & many not had their ballot, @UKLabour has closed the call centre to help members trying to vote. Unbelievable
From John Harris of the Guardian.
@johnharris1969: cheers Labour. Years of membership, 16 hours till ballot closes and still no vote. Not that you have aspirations to run the country or owt
Is a farce that Pulpstar signed up about 20mins before the deadline and got his voting stuff very early.
This whole leadership election has been a cockumental festival of flailing hopelessness. Brilliant.
Friday night's thread is about thanking Labour for all this fun they've given us this summer.
We might not see anything like this ever again
I take it you are aware the Labour Mayoral announcement is Friday? Probably.
Yup, shortly after Midday.
That thread will be written from the Cathedral of Cricket, Headingley as England take on the Flaming Galahs of Australia.
If Khan wins the Corbyn price will surely collapse further. I understand why Labour are doing it this way round, though.
Two weeks ago it was reported that 60% had voted , then a week ago it had dropped to 50% had voted and now we are still getting reports of lots of votes not sent out...... Has there been a more badly run Leadership election?
No, but this one wasn't great. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_(UK)_leadership_election,_2001 " Many questioned the validity of MPs eliminating the candidates, potentially denying the ordinary members the opportunity to vote for a favourite candidate (Ann Widdecombe declined to run because she believed she would not reach the last round). Others questioned how it could be claimed that the eventual winner could be assured of support among MPs (the argument often given for previous elections being conducted by MPs only and now for holding these initial rounds) as in the final round each had attracted the support of only a third of the Parliamentary Party. " "the lack of provision of a tie and the delay in appointing a returning officer also sparked concerns, with the former point also leading to ridicule from political opponents."
2001 also had the farce of the bottom two candidates tying and not sure how to eliminate them.
Mr. T, especially concerning given the current (and declining) situation in Northern Ireland.
Shadow Chancellor: John McDonnell
Shadow Foreign Secretary: Diane Abbott
Shadow Home Secretary: Sadiq Khan
Shadow Defence Secretary: Denis Skinner
CON gain Bootle?
Maybe not Bootle (Merseyside is, incredibly, still trending leftwards).
But Southampton Test, Newcastle under Lyme, Stoke South, Derbyshire NE, Bridgend, Ynys Mon, Middlesborough East, are the sort of seats that I think would be vulnerable to the Conservatives under a Corbyn leadership.
The core cities and bastions of metropolitan absurdity would be fairly safe. But Corbyn could drop to 190-210 seats and the Conservative majority rise to 50-80.
That will make a very big task for any Labour leader to win in 2025.
Except he won't be there by 2020.
You hope.
Labour have never been very good at removing leaders. Nothing we have seen so far in this utter farce of a Leadership election would suggest that they're even vaguely capable of doing so now. They'd have problems running a bath.
I do hope. Mainly because I have already started light betting on Lab leader at 2020 GE.
I am also clinging to the idea that there will be a monumental surprise on Saturday and Cooper just snatches it.
Hurst Llama I think you may be referring to the one I was recommending it is on the shores of Lake Bassenthwaite and it has recently opened with some samples of ten and twelve year old malts..and very good they are too....so England is safe once more...
The lunacy of All Things Corbyn is underlined by the name at the top of the list. John McDonnell. Here is the Guardian reporting on him a few years ago:
"At a gathering to commemorate the IRA hunger striker Bobby Sands, Mr McDonnell said: "It's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA.""
Michael Dugher MPVerified account @MichaelDugher With thousands still to vote & many not had their ballot, @UKLabour has closed the call centre to help members trying to vote. Unbelievable
From John Harris of the Guardian.
@johnharris1969: cheers Labour. Years of membership, 16 hours till ballot closes and still no vote. Not that you have aspirations to run the country or owt
Is a farce that Pulpstar signed up about 20mins before the deadline and got his voting stuff very early.
This whole leadership election has been a cockumental festival of flailing hopelessness. Brilliant.
Friday night's thread is about thanking Labour for all this fun they've given us this summer.
We might not see anything like this ever again
I take it you are aware the Labour Mayoral announcement is Friday? Probably.
Yup, shortly after Midday.
That thread will be written from the Cathedral of Cricket, Headingley as England take on the Flaming Galahs of Australia.
If Khan wins the Corbyn price will surely collapse further. I understand why Labour are doing it this way round, though.
That's the morning thread, just imagine price collapse were Diane Abbott to win the London Mayoral nomination.
I think Saturday will provide the main act to the play entitled "Labour's Balls Up."
I'm looking forward to PMQ's and watching the faces of the MP's sitting behind the leader they so obviously hate. The majority of the Labour MP's fit more comfortably with the Tories than Corbyn.
Then we'll see the party conference season- never will Labour look to be so wretched. The leaders speech- the leader only supported by about 5% of his MP's. And then who'll do the stints on Question Time, news shows, etc..,. defending a leader they so obviously don't want. You cannot have McDonnell, Meacher and Abbott doing it all.
I can honestly see the whole thing unravelling within about a week tops as party discipline, internal anger, factional splits take hold with Corbyn singularly incapable of showing any kind of leadership.
Michael Dugher MPVerified account @MichaelDugher With thousands still to vote & many not had their ballot, @UKLabour has closed the call centre to help members trying to vote. Unbelievable
From John Harris of the Guardian.
@johnharris1969: cheers Labour. Years of membership, 16 hours till ballot closes and still no vote. Not that you have aspirations to run the country or owt
Is a farce that Pulpstar signed up about 20mins before the deadline and got his voting stuff very early.
This whole leadership election has been a cockumental festival of flailing hopelessness. Brilliant.
Friday night's thread is about thanking Labour for all this fun they've given us this summer.
We might not see anything like this ever again
I take it you are aware the Labour Mayoral announcement is Friday? Probably.
Two weeks ago it was reported that 60% had voted , then a week ago it had dropped to 50% had voted and now we are still getting reports of lots of votes not sent out...... Has there been a more badly run Leadership election?
No, but this one wasn't great. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_(UK)_leadership_election,_2001 " ..... Others questioned how it could be claimed that the eventual winner could be assured of support among MPs (the argument often given for previous elections being conducted by MPs only and now for holding these initial rounds) as in the final round each had attracted the support of only a third of the Parliamentary Party. "
Iain Duncan Smith received 32.5% of the MPs votes which is 3 times the level of support Corbyn has in his MPs.
An exceedingly smart spot by you TSE ..... and well worth the investment of a pint or two. Apart from other considerations, surely Corbyn will be anxious to settle the party's nerves by appointing a safe pair of hands for this key role. I'm amazed that Shadsy still has Khan at 50/1 .... that price surely can't last, can it?
Too right it couldn't ..... Laddies have since hacked the odds back to 16/1!
Excellent NYT piece (as linked to by the Guardian blog) on the fringy insurgents:
These sudden stars are not really about governing. They are tools for their supporters’ self-expression. They allow supporters to make a statement, demand respect or express anger or resentment. Sarah Palin was a pioneer in seeing politics not as a path to governance but as an expression of her followers’ id.
Two weeks ago it was reported that 60% had voted , then a week ago it had dropped to 50% had voted and now we are still getting reports of lots of votes not sent out...... Has there been a more badly run Leadership election?
No, but this one wasn't great. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_(UK)_leadership_election,_2001 " ..... Others questioned how it could be claimed that the eventual winner could be assured of support among MPs (the argument often given for previous elections being conducted by MPs only and now for holding these initial rounds) as in the final round each had attracted the support of only a third of the Parliamentary Party. "
Iain Duncan Smith received 32.5% of the MPs votes which is 3 times the level of support Corbyn has in his MPs.
Nick will tell you this does not really matter and that the British public do not care. I choose to believe that Nick is neither wicked nor genuinely stupid, but that like many other Labour members he is in a state of deep grief, has surrounded himself with others in a similar state and is not yet capable of moving on from that. If I am wrong, Labour is finished, over and dead.
Nick - like many of us - believes what he would like to be true: that Corbyn is seeking agreement and talks, that these ghastly people are really quite reasonable underneath if only we could find out why they are so upset, that if we only met them half-way, all would be well in the best of all possible worlds, that everyone is basically like us and wants the same things as us and that it is hugely bad form of others to point out inconvenient facts which contradict this vew.
This tendency - to let your opinion determine the facts you take account of - is not confined to the Left of course. It's just that at the moment we are having a reduction ad absurdum example from them.
Not exactly. The question is how to deal with ghastly people who are significantly impacting normal life, rather than to suppose that they're really quite OK. Northern Ireland illustrated the problem - the early attempts to end the Troubles through deals with moderates failed since the (in my view clearly bonkers - what sane person kills innocent people to shift a border within the EU?) extremists were not involved.In the end, we did a deal with the extremists, which has more or less worked. I think that has been helped rather than hindered by a willingness to listen to what they said, so we could see whether there was a basis for a deal or not, and I'm in favour of backbenchers playing a part in that, as it's often a sensible prelude to more official contacts.
SO It will still be the United Kingdom.. united under the present Monarch.. we don't need Scotland to be united...and I am not a monarchist..
I have recently decided that it is not worth bothering about something that is inevitable. My thought now is that it is all best done as soon as possible. That also frees me up to vote to leave the EU.
Excellent NYT piece (as linked to by the Guardian blog) on the fringy insurgents:
These sudden stars are not really about governing. They are tools for their supporters’ self-expression. They allow supporters to make a statement, demand respect or express anger or resentment. Sarah Palin was a pioneer in seeing politics not as a path to governance but as an expression of her followers’ id.
Am wondering if there is an electoral pact for next May's Council and Mayoral Elections. Labour will announce their candidate at weekend, Tories likewise.
Not sure which way it will go. Will be interesting to see if other Greens back Hall, or tell him to quit.
Mr. T, especially concerning given the current (and declining) situation in Northern Ireland.
Shadow Chancellor: John McDonnell
Shadow Foreign Secretary: Diane Abbott
Shadow Home Secretary: Sadiq Khan
Shadow Defence Secretary: Denis Skinner
CON gain Bootle?
Maybe not Bootle (Merseyside is, incredibly, still trending leftwards).
But Southampton Test, Newcastle under Lyme, Stoke South, Derbyshire NE, Bridgend, Ynys Mon, Middlesborough East, are the sort of seats that I think would be vulnerable to the Conservatives under a Corbyn leadership.
The core cities and bastions of metropolitan absurdity would be fairly safe. But Corbyn could drop to 190-210 seats and the Conservative majority rise to 50-80.
That will make a very big task for any Labour leader to win in 2025.
Except he won't be there by 2020.
You hope.
Labour have never been very good at removing leaders. Nothing we have seen so far in this utter farce of a Leadership election would suggest that they're even vaguely capable of doing so now. They'd have problems running a bath.
I do hope. Mainly because I have already started light betting on Lab leader at 2020 GE.
I am also clinging to the idea that there will be a monumental surprise on Saturday and Cooper just snatches it.
Clinging in desperation , no doubt ; I bet on Cooper as the sensible choice and I was correct , unfortunately the labour voters are not making a sensible choice and it's clear to me that I've lost all my money .....this is the second time within one year that I have seriously underestimated the stupidity of the electorate ...the Scottish referendum was bad enough but Corbynmania is just beyond belief
I am sure that all PC PBers will be wanting to see a Dwarf free panto this Winterval; and there is now that prospect. No such thing as "bad publicity" they say!
"Younger voters remain the most committed to independence, with 59% of 16-34s supporting a Yes Vote, with 28% for No (and 13% don’t know). Among those aged 35-54, Yes leads by 53%-39% (8% don’t know), and the over-55s favour a No vote by 58% to 31% (12% don’t know)."
Scotland is going to be an independent nation, only question is how soon.
Two weeks ago it was reported that 60% had voted , then a week ago it had dropped to 50% had voted and now we are still getting reports of lots of votes not sent out...... Has there been a more badly run Leadership election?
No, but this one wasn't great. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_(UK)_leadership_election,_2001 " ..... Others questioned how it could be claimed that the eventual winner could be assured of support among MPs (the argument often given for previous elections being conducted by MPs only and now for holding these initial rounds) as in the final round each had attracted the support of only a third of the Parliamentary Party. "
Iain Duncan Smith received 32.5% of the MPs votes which is 3 times the level of support Corbyn has in his MPs.
The like-for-like comparison would be the first round score, where IDS only won the backing of 23.5% of the MPs.
"Younger voters remain the most committed to independence, with 59% of 16-34s supporting a Yes Vote, with 28% for No (and 13% don’t know). Among those aged 35-54, Yes leads by 53%-39% (8% don’t know), and the over-55s favour a No vote by 58% to 31% (12% don’t know)."
Scotland is going to be an independent nation, only question is how soon.
Given it is going to happen it is best done as soon as possible. What will stand in the way is the unwillingness of whoever leads the UK government to be the person who lost the Union.
Unsuprising. The Labour implosion may be a contributory factor here. However, with no referendum in prospect, I'm not sure how realistic the poll is. The differential between the old [high propensity to vote & heavily No] and the young [low propensity to vote and Yes] is also worth noting. I do think it would make sense for the UK govt to seriously discuss Federal options.
I am sure that all PC PBers will be wanting to see a Dwarf free panto this Winterval; and there is now that prospect. No such thing as "bad publicity" they say!
I am sure that all PC PBers will be wanting to see a Dwarf free panto this Winterval; and there is now that prospect. No such thing as "bad publicity" they say!
Unsuprising. The Labour implosion may be a contributory factor here. However, with no referendum in prospect, I'm not sure how realistic the poll is. The differential between the old [high propensity to vote & heavily No] and the young [low propensity to vote and Yes] is also worth noting. I do think it would make sense for the UK govt to seriously discuss Federal options.
The same poll reports a slight rise in the Labour vote compared to previous polls. Something has happened in Scotland over the last year and there is no going back. Best to cut the chord asap.
I am sure that all PC PBers will be wanting to see a Dwarf free panto this Winterval; and there is now that prospect. No such thing as "bad publicity" they say!
He [David Davis] is only a laughing stock in the minds of the Cameron loyalists who of course have to portray him that way as they are so frightened of what he can do.
Unfortunately he's a flawed champion of some good ideas.
He's proved himself to have poor judgment, overweening conceit and an inflated sense of his own abilities.
Agree - IDS has taken the rejection on the chin and worked to make the country better starting with the poorest culminating in the living wage announcement.
Davis has messed about with some dodgy human rights fluff - and achieved well not much.
I am sure that all PC PBers will be wanting to see a Dwarf free panto this Winterval; and there is now that prospect. No such thing as "bad publicity" they say!
The lunacy of All Things Corbyn is underlined by the name at the top of the list. John McDonnell. Here is the Guardian reporting on him a few years ago:
"At a gathering to commemorate the IRA hunger striker Bobby Sands, Mr McDonnell said: "It's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA.""
Nick - like many of us - believes what he would like to be true: that Corbyn is seeking agreement and talks, that these ghastly people are really quite reasonable underneath if only we could find out why they are so upset, that if we only met them half-way, all would be well in the best of all possible worlds, that everyone is basically like us and wants the same things as us and that it is hugely bad form of others to point out inconvenient facts which contradict this vew.
This tendency - to let your opinion determine the facts you take account of - is not confined to the Left of course. It's just that at the moment we are having a reduction ad absurdum example from them.
Not exactly. The question is how to deal with ghastly people who are significantly impacting normal life, rather than to suppose that they're really quite OK. Northern Ireland illustrated the problem - the early attempts to end the Troubles through deals with moderates failed since the (in my view clearly bonkers - what sane person kills innocent people to shift a border within the EU?) extremists were not involved.In the end, we did a deal with the extremists, which has more or less worked. I think that has been helped rather than hindered by a willingness to listen to what they said, so we could see whether there was a basis for a deal or not, and I'm in favour of backbenchers playing a part in that, as it's often a sensible prelude to more official contacts.
But we've been over this a few times now!
But it was only possible to do a deal with (most of) the extremists when they were themselves willing to give sufficient ground to make a deal involving all sides viable. Britain could have done all the listening it like in the 1970s and 1980s and it wouldn't have made any difference. Indeed, it could well have signalled that the government was willing to concede significant ground and that the armed campaign was winning. Ultimately, Britain only did deals with the Irish extremists when one side came to the conclusion that it wasn't worth continuing with the fight if there was a reasonable political deal on the table. Under Lloyd George, it was the UK government that buckled; in the 1990s, it was the republicans.
Where terrorists have limited political ends, talks may be possible. Where their aims are either much more ambitious, or where they would impose an unjust settlement, or where there is no willingness to compromise, talks will not only not be possible but would be unwise. Where war is politics by other means then it is still politics, and politics holds a means to a solution. Where it isn't - where its aim is outright conquest, for example - the fire has to be met with fire.
The lunacy of All Things Corbyn is underlined by the name at the top of the list. John McDonnell. Here is the Guardian reporting on him a few years ago:
"At a gathering to commemorate the IRA hunger striker Bobby Sands, Mr McDonnell said: "It's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA.""
The Labour leadership had to distance themselves from McDonnell, and there were serious calls for him to be expelled from the party.
Now he will be Corbyn's Shadow Chancellor. Labour's self mutilation continues.
So McDonnell actually supported the IRA's terrorism campaign against the British people? Unbelievable.
He not only supported the IRA's terrorism, he thinks WE, THE BRITISH SHOULD HONOUR THE IRA FOR BOMBING AND SHOOTING US.
These people are utterly despicable. Quite revolting.
Shadow Chancellor????
Time to forgive and forget, eh?
"a gang of squalid murderers", Winston Churchill on the IRA, led by Michael Collins, 1919
"an Irish patriot, true and fearless", Winston Churchill on Michael Collins, leader of the IRA, 1921
Churchill clearly did Realpolitik...
Michael Collins was killed fighting the IRA refuseniks, so by 1921 he may well have also agreed the IRA were squalid murderers. Churchills quote says more about Collins than about the IRA.
Churchill was also quite flexible in his views, when engaging allies eg "If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favorable reference to the devil in the House of Commons"
"Younger voters remain the most committed to independence, with 59% of 16-34s supporting a Yes Vote, with 28% for No (and 13% don’t know). Among those aged 35-54, Yes leads by 53%-39% (8% don’t know), and the over-55s favour a No vote by 58% to 31% (12% don’t know)."
Scotland is going to be an independent nation, only question is how soon.
People might have said that of Quebec. People's views change with time.
In any case, Scotland within the EU won't be an independent nation.
I am sure that all PC PBers will be wanting to see a Dwarf free panto this Winterval; and there is now that prospect. No such thing as "bad publicity" they say!
I'm not so surprised about them getting upset over "dwarves" as I am about them still calling it Snow WHITE....
Let's all go to the Panto at the De Montfort Hall to see Autumnal Hues and her Seven Friends....
But 'friends' is discriminatory and 'her' implies ownership
Shouldn't it be : Autumnal Hues and Seven People with Lower Centres of Gravity?
These pantomimes are a minefield... The gender stereotyping of Mother Goose and Jack and the Beanstalk...The phallocentric Dick Whittington. Do only Beauties get to sleep? What of the physiognomically challenged? There's the sexualisation of Puss in her boots. And don't get me started on the Islamophobia behind Ali Baba and the Forty Thieves.
In future, we will just continually be putting on Aladdin. Who could that possibly offend?
The lunacy of All Things Corbyn is underlined by the name at the top of the list. John McDonnell. Here is the Guardian reporting on him a few years ago:
"At a gathering to commemorate the IRA hunger striker Bobby Sands, Mr McDonnell said: "It's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA.""
I am sure that all PC PBers will be wanting to see a Dwarf free panto this Winterval; and there is now that prospect. No such thing as "bad publicity" they say!
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ISIS is entirely voluntary in its barbarism. Because when you think God is on your side, you can do anything.
It just goes to show that 'Leave' has a real shot in the next 2 years. We should embrace it as an opportunity.
Of course, the Romans could be pretty ghastly to their enemies. Sean T's account of the sorts of things that took place in the Arena was stomach-churning.
"a gang of squalid murderers", Winston Churchill on the IRA, led by Michael Collins, 1919
"an Irish patriot, true and fearless", Winston Churchill on Michael Collins, leader of the IRA, 1921
That will make a very big task for any Labour leader to win in 2025.
Let's all go to the Panto at the De Montfort Hall to see Autumnal Hues and her Seven Friends....
It links with the discussion on the previous thread about drone attacks on ISIS scumbags. IIRC few disagreed with the end result, but several had misgivings about the procedure for doing it. No all cases are as "open and shut" as the recent one.
So when the fence does go up I think we will be OK and anyway I am sure the smugglers will be running the good stuff down from Islay in small boats.
It's a very dark side of the human psyche. Thankfully, in the West at least, we now limits its indulgence to video games and watching Game of Thrones.
This tendency - to let your opinion determine the facts you take account of - is not confined to the Left of course. It's just that at the moment we are having a reduction ad absurdum example from them.
@johnharris1969: cheers Labour. Years of membership, 16 hours till ballot closes and still no vote. Not that you have aspirations to run the country or owt
Is a farce that Pulpstar signed up about 20mins before the deadline and got his voting stuff very early.
http://news.stv.tv/scotland-decides/news/1328305-mp-alistair-carmichael-faces-judges-decision-on-televised-election-case/
Quite how the Lib Dems think that fighting on and on with this case and an argument that our chap is a liar but its ok as its just politics, is a good thing for the long term image of the LDs in Scotland just beggars belief. It is a bit like the Rennard matter, they do not have the cojones to deal quickly with big embarrassments.
PS as an aside the impressive QC for Carmichael's opponents attacked the BBC news report from the previous day as misleading, so best to stick with STV (no not AV TSE).
Labour have never been very good at removing leaders. Nothing we have seen so far in this utter farce of a Leadership election would suggest that they're even vaguely capable of doing so now. They'd have problems running a bath.
We might not see anything like this ever again
Mr. Disraeli, et al, I can strongly recommend Sean McGlynn's By Sword and Fire. It's about medieval brutality (mostly in warfare) and does a great job of explaining why such cruelty flourished during that period. Part of it was the weakness of states, which meant law-breaking was rampant and the people were fully supportive of the harshest measures being taken against criminals because there was such fear of law-breakers.
I have mentioned it a few times before, but it really is an interesting book.
OK, fair chance we might.
Or maybe not. After all, they are the biggest bunch of hypocritical shits we have seen in our lifetimes (JackW included).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_(UK)_leadership_election,_2001
" Many questioned the validity of MPs eliminating the candidates, potentially denying the ordinary members the opportunity to vote for a favourite candidate (Ann Widdecombe declined to run because she believed she would not reach the last round). Others questioned how it could be claimed that the eventual winner could be assured of support among MPs (the argument often given for previous elections being conducted by MPs only and now for holding these initial rounds) as in the final round each had attracted the support of only a third of the Parliamentary Party. " "the lack of provision of a tie and the delay in appointing a returning officer also sparked concerns, with the former point also leading to ridicule from political opponents."
That thread will be written from the Cathedral of Cricket, Headingley as England take on the Flaming Galahs of Australia.
http://www.zerocensorship.com/t/uncensored-isis-execution/136259-isis-teenagers-mass-syria-handgun-shooting-execution-in-palmyra-syria-graphic-video#axzz3lEgyC0dB
I am also clinging to the idea that there will be a monumental surprise on Saturday and Cooper just snatches it.
I'm looking forward to PMQ's and watching the faces of the MP's sitting behind the leader they so obviously hate. The majority of the Labour MP's fit more comfortably with the Tories than Corbyn.
Then we'll see the party conference season- never will Labour look to be so wretched. The leaders speech- the leader only supported by about 5% of his MP's. And then who'll do the stints on Question Time, news shows, etc..,. defending a leader they so obviously don't want. You cannot have McDonnell, Meacher and Abbott doing it all.
I can honestly see the whole thing unravelling within about a week tops as party discipline, internal anger, factional splits take hold with Corbyn singularly incapable of showing any kind of leadership.
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/second-poll-finds-scots-now-back-independence-1-3881774
Bye bye UK.
These sudden stars are not really about governing. They are tools for their supporters’ self-expression. They allow supporters to make a statement, demand respect or express anger or resentment. Sarah Palin was a pioneer in seeing politics not as a path to governance but as an expression of her followers’ id.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/08/opinion/the-anti-party-men-trump-carson-sanders-and-corbyn.html?_r=0
Surprised it's that low, given Australia, Canada and the UK must be over 100m between them.
But we've been over this a few times now!
(Still not sure how this messaging thing works on PB.
No problem. I'll get cracking on it right away. :-)
http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Green-Party-s-Darren-Hall-backs-George-Ferguson/story-27765093-detail/story.html
Am wondering if there is an electoral pact for next May's Council and Mayoral Elections. Labour will announce their candidate at weekend, Tories likewise.
Not sure which way it will go. Will be interesting to see if other Greens back Hall, or tell him to quit.
Shouldn't it be : Autumnal Hues and Seven People with Lower Centres of Gravity?
Scotland is going to be an independent nation, only question is how soon.
Autumnal? Hey there are three other seasons you know.
Stop being so discriminatory.
New Thread New Thread
"Lower" surely implies "inferior", does it not?
How about "Diverse Hues and Seven People of Non-typical Height"?
http://thehill.com/policy/technology/252987-software-pioneer-mcafee-files-paperwork-to-run-for-president
(I am actually about to get my coat!)
Where terrorists have limited political ends, talks may be possible. Where their aims are either much more ambitious, or where they would impose an unjust settlement, or where there is no willingness to compromise, talks will not only not be possible but would be unwise. Where war is politics by other means then it is still politics, and politics holds a means to a solution. Where it isn't - where its aim is outright conquest, for example - the fire has to be met with fire.
Churchill was also quite flexible in his views, when engaging allies eg "If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favorable reference to the devil in the House of Commons"
In any case, Scotland within the EU won't be an independent nation.
In future, we will just continually be putting on Aladdin. Who could that possibly offend?