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edited September 2015 in General

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Ladbrokes have a market up on the next Shadow Chancellor. It is indicative of the anticipated Corbyn victory that John McDonnell is the current favourite. Meanwhile in the race to be Labour’s London Mayoral candidate Lady Jowell’s team think her name recognition and association with the 2012 London Olympics will see her win the race ahead of Sadiq Khan.

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  • First!
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Still can't get my head round the fact that Labour are going to collectively bungee jump without measuring the safe working load or length of the bungee line being used

    .....on the other hand?
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Congratulations to Her Maj on becoming today the second longest reigning monarch in British history ....

    She will overtake James VIII/III on 23rd May 2016.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,175
    Diane Abbott as shadow chancellor would almost be too much icing on the cake - my word that would be one nutty fruit cake :)
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    First!

    I hope my favourite Italain/US poster - Ms Innocenta Broad - is in better shape ?

  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,046
    JackW said:

    Congratulations to Her Maj on becoming today the second longest reigning monarch in British history ....

    She will overtake James VIII/III on 23rd May 2016.

    Hate to break it to you Jack..... he wasn't actually King.


    I'll get my coat...
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,040
    Thought it was pretty hilarious that Galloway, who is not an MP or a member of the Labour party, was still thought more likely than Kendall.

    If Corbyn is going to show any interest in seeking to even pretend that he wants to hold the party together surely Burnham or Cooper is most likely. Cooper has said she would not serve but the shadow job she has probably wanted most just might tempt her as might the idea she would then be well placed when the inevitable car crash becomes too painful to ignore.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    RobD said:

    JackW said:

    Congratulations to Her Maj on becoming today the second longest reigning monarch in British history ....

    She will overtake James VIII/III on 23rd May 2016.

    Hate to break it to you Jack..... he wasn't actually King.


    I'll get my coat...
    You'd better get transport too - somewhere remote, dingy and presently impenetrable to my powers - Yes I do mean Islington North.

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,040
    The business of Parliament will be postponed for half an hour today so MPs can pay tribute to her Maj. No doubt Corbyn will be busy combing his beard or something.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,046
    JackW said:

    RobD said:

    JackW said:

    Congratulations to Her Maj on becoming today the second longest reigning monarch in British history ....

    She will overtake James VIII/III on 23rd May 2016.

    Hate to break it to you Jack..... he wasn't actually King.


    I'll get my coat...
    You'd better get transport too - somewhere remote, dingy and presently impenetrable to my powers - Yes I do mean Islington North.

    You must have mercy :( How's a PB Tory such as myself supposed to survive in such a place!
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    RobD said:

    JackW said:

    RobD said:

    JackW said:

    Congratulations to Her Maj on becoming today the second longest reigning monarch in British history ....

    She will overtake James VIII/III on 23rd May 2016.

    Hate to break it to you Jack..... he wasn't actually King.


    I'll get my coat...
    You'd better get transport too - somewhere remote, dingy and presently impenetrable to my powers - Yes I do mean Islington North.

    You must have mercy :( How's a PB Tory such as myself supposed to survive in such a place!
    I may opt for your exile to ConHome - another horror show on earth ....

  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,046
    BTW, the official "crossover" (titters) is not until 17:30 BST (according to wikipedia)
  • Sadiq could be a contender for Shadow Home Secretary if he doesn't win. The real value bet on a female Shadow Chancellor is Angela Eagle and not Diane Abbott.
  • Moses_ said:

    Still can't get my head round the fact that Labour are going to collectively bungee jump without measuring the safe working load or length of the bungee line being used

    .....on the other hand?

    A few years ago there was a sad case where a bunch of medical students - from Nottingham I think - went for a bungee under a viaduct. They weighed the first jumper, calculated the right length of cord, and he jumped.

    Unfortunately they had not secured the other end of the cord.

    That seems to fit the situation Labour finds themselves in.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    edited September 2015
    Nothing as disgusting as watching human beings subjugate themselves to another based on nothing more than an accident of birth and the personal choice to be serfs.

    You humiliate no-one other than yourselves.
  • Chi Onwurah is also worth a saver at 25/1. She has good experience of working in industry prior to entering politics. This would be a novel development for the Labour Party.
  • An exceedingly smart spot by you TSE ..... and well worth the investment of a pint or two.
    Apart from other considerations, surely Corbyn will be anxious to settle the party's nerves by appointing a safe pair of hands for this key role.
    I'm amazed that Shadsy still has Khan at 50/1 .... that price surely can't last, can it?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,046
    Dair said:

    Nothing as disgusting as watching human beings subjugate themselves to another based on nothing more than an accident of birth and the personal choice to be serfs.

    You humiliate no-one other than yourselves.

    Blimey, someone got out of bed on the wrong side!
  • Congratulations to Queen Elizabeth II on becoming our longest serving monarch today. A fantastic achievement from a monarch who has consistently put this country ahead of herself for her whole life. Even today, her daily schedule would exhaust somebody half her age.

    God Save The Queen.
  • An exceedingly smart spot by you TSE ..... and well worth the investment of a pint or two.
    Apart from other considerations, surely Corbyn will be anxious to settle the party's nerves by appointing a safe pair of hands for this key role.
    I'm amazed that Shadsy still has Khan at 50/1 .... that price surely can't last, can it?

    I agree. He won't be appointed if Corbyn doesn't win or if he does get the nod in London but even after discounting those possibilities, he's a good enough fit for there to be value.
  • Dair said:

    Nothing as disgusting as watching human beings subjugate themselves to another based on nothing more than an accident of birth and the personal choice to be serfs.

    You humiliate no-one other than yourselves.

    I can't imagine anybody wakes up fretting about being a serf. If they do there can't be much else going on in their life.

  • If you pay taxes then you are a serf..
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    edited September 2015
    Surprised there are only ten UK drone targets..how can we get them all together at the same place..
  • Disappointing that Ladbrokes market on `next shadow chancellor` does not include a quote on shadow treasury minister Alison Mcgovern .I`ve emailed for one.If Yvette Cooper wants the job she will surely get it and I`ve had a few quid on her at 25/1.
  • Innocent_AbroadInnocent_Abroad Posts: 3,294
    edited September 2015

    If you pay taxes then you are a serf..

    But not if you pay protection money to a gangster. After all, they're private sector and therefore wholesome, eh, Dicky?

  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    edited September 2015
    Morning Inny.. no idea what you are bleating about ..as usual...Protection money to a gangster...hmmm tricky one..but I do believe Lords of the Manor were fully paid up members of The Private Sector...a sector which employs a massive number of people in the country.. so they must be bad..
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Sadiq could be a contender for Shadow Home Secretary if he doesn't win. The real value bet on a female Shadow Chancellor is Angela Eagle and not Diane Abbott.

    Great. A racist in charge of immigration policy and an innumerate waste of space as shadow chancellor.

    Surely Labour must have *some* talent available?
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    edited September 2015
    Love to see Diane Abbott as Shadow chancellor, The hypocrite who sent her kid to private school .http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2003/nov/05/labour.uk

    Pass the popcorn.
  • Abbott makes Corbyn look sensible..
  • Morning Inny.. no idea what you are bleating about ..as usual...Protection money to a gangster...hmmm tricky one..but I do believe Lords of the Manor were fully paid up members of The Private Sector...a sector which employs a massive number of people in the country.. so they must be bad..

    You've been taking abuse lessons from Malcolm G again, haven't you? Better sign up for some more, you're nowhere near his class yet...

  • Inny ..that was at the same pathetic level of sharp witted riposte that the MG dribbles out.. keep trying.. are you a Scot by any chance ..
  • Inny ..that was at the same pathetic level of sharp witted riposte that the MG dribbles out.. keep trying.. are you a Scot by any chance ..

    Born in Croydon - is that in Scotland?

  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    edited September 2015
    Inny..Just as bad..but never mind...for your info.. Croydon is a shitty suburb of London
  • Good morning, fellow royalists.

    Huzzah for Her Majesty!

    On-topic: good thinking, Mr. Eagles.

    Mr. Charles, quite. Why Khan's racism isn't being denounced (anti-white quotas, FFS) is beyond me. Then again, the media seems to have decided than in place of a Labour Party trying to eat its own head, the role of being bleeding heart falls to it.
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656

    Love to see Diane Abbott as Shadow chancellor, The hypocrite who sent her kid to private school .http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2003/nov/05/labour.uk

    Pass the popcorn.

    Yes but to be fair, that's because West Indian mothers love their children more than white mothers do.
  • Sadiq could be a contender for Shadow Home Secretary if he doesn't win. The real value bet on a female Shadow Chancellor is Angela Eagle and not Diane Abbott.

    That's a good tip.
  • Metatron said:

    Disappointing that Ladbrokes market on `next shadow chancellor` does not include a quote on shadow treasury minister Alison Mcgovern .I`ve emailed for one.If Yvette Cooper wants the job she will surely get it and I`ve had a few quid on her at 25/1.

    I've had the maximum Shadsy allowed -- £10.10 -- on Yvette.
  • Inny..Just as bad..but never mind...for your info.. Croydon is a shitty suburb of London

    Tell me about it.

  • Inny .. not a lot to say..best avoided tho..
  • Prudent
    Backing
    Diane Abbott.

    Words that should never appear in 1 sentence.
  • Prudent
    Backing
    Diane Abbott.

    Words that should never appear in 1 sentence.

    Prudence with a purpose: ...hyper-inflation :-)
  • Metatron said:

    Disappointing that Ladbrokes market on `next shadow chancellor` does not include a quote on shadow treasury minister Alison Mcgovern .I`ve emailed for one.If Yvette Cooper wants the job she will surely get it and I`ve had a few quid on her at 25/1.

    I've had the maximum Shadsy allowed -- £10.10 -- on Yvette.
    Surely Corbyn's shadow chancellor is going to have to believe in 'people's QE', which partly involves removing the independence of bank of england: her husband's pet idea. She has to say 'No'.
  • Congratulations to Queen Elizabeth II on becoming our longest serving monarch today. A fantastic achievement from a monarch who has consistently put this country ahead of herself for her whole life. Even today, her daily schedule would exhaust somebody half her age.

    God Save The Queen.

    :+1:
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,049
    It's a marvellous achievement, a fantastic record unlikely to be paralleled. It is exemplary dedication to one's country, especially so in this modern era of computer games and limited attention spans...truly: Wayne Rooney's achievement is worthy of much praise.
  • Metatron said:

    Disappointing that Ladbrokes market on `next shadow chancellor` does not include a quote on shadow treasury minister Alison Mcgovern .I`ve emailed for one.If Yvette Cooper wants the job she will surely get it and I`ve had a few quid on her at 25/1.

    I've had the maximum Shadsy allowed -- £10.10 -- on Yvette.
    Surely Corbyn's shadow chancellor is going to have to believe in 'people's QE', which partly involves removing the independence of bank of england: her husband's pet idea. She has to say 'No'.
    We don't know that the Governor of the Bank of England doesn't believe in it. Helicopter money is not so different from conventional QE. For the Bank, buying gilts for helicopters would look just like buying gilts for QE. I'd not be too surprised if George Osborne doesn't have a go in his next budget: perhaps in the guise of cutting taxes.

    On betting, I'd say Corbyn would need to shore up his position by persuading as many former opponents and ministers as he can to serve in the Shadow Cabinet, and that they would need to do so in order to stand next time.
  • Dair said:

    Nothing as disgusting as watching human beings subjugate themselves to another based on nothing more than an accident of birth and the personal choice to be serfs.

    You humiliate no-one other than yourselves.

    I can't imagine anybody wakes up fretting about being a serf. If they do there can't be much else going on in their life.

    Quite.

    God Save the Queen.
  • TOPPING said:

    It's a marvellous achievement, a fantastic record unlikely to be paralleled. It is exemplary dedication to one's country, especially so in this modern era of computer games and limited attention spans...truly: Wayne Rooney's achievement is worthy of much praise.

    Bah. The Queen and Rooney have nothing on the really noteworthy achievements that are shaking the country. Yesterday Jessop Jr managed to walk the length of the room! More than that, and to show he is truly multi-talented, last night was the first time he managed to sleep through for two nights in a row without waking!

    I await tomorrow's front pages. But if the paparazzi could keep away ...
  • Mr. Jessop, if your child is asleep for more than two days you may have overdone the gin dosage.
  • Metatron said:

    Disappointing that Ladbrokes market on `next shadow chancellor` does not include a quote on shadow treasury minister Alison Mcgovern .I`ve emailed for one.If Yvette Cooper wants the job she will surely get it and I`ve had a few quid on her at 25/1.

    I've had the maximum Shadsy allowed -- £10.10 -- on Yvette.
    Surely Corbyn's shadow chancellor is going to have to believe in 'people's QE', which partly involves removing the independence of bank of england: her husband's pet idea. She has to say 'No'.
    We don't know that the Governor of the Bank of England doesn't believe in it. Helicopter money is not so different from conventional QE. For the Bank, buying gilts for helicopters would look just like buying gilts for QE. I'd not be too surprised if George Osborne doesn't have a go in his next budget: perhaps in the guise of cutting taxes.

    On betting, I'd say Corbyn would need to shore up his position by persuading as many former opponents and ministers as he can to serve in the Shadow Cabinet, and that they would need to do so in order to stand next time.
    I expect JC to announce that he'll appoint his first Shadow Cabinet, but that next year the Party's members will choose it. And term limits for all leadership posts in the Party, including shadows.

  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,046
    https://twitter.com/BritishMonarchy/status/641490536843603968

    Fitting that the official photograph of the occasion is of her working.
  • JJ The next real major step is taking a holiday without Junior...mainly because they have better things to do..
  • Diane Abbott as shadow Chancellor?! I suppose about as strange as Corbyn LOTO a few months ago but that really would kill any labour is credible with economics argument.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    I am not a royalist but Queen Elizabeth II has put the British monarchy on an even keel and has had the luck of a long lived husband to take the strain. So from me to her: Long live the Queen!
  • As usual, Matt's Cartoon is a belter..
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    Good morning all. God save the Queen!

    What on earth happened to the talented Labour politicians of yesteryear? What a sad collection of no-hopers, never-has-beens and flakes.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095

    Metatron said:

    Disappointing that Ladbrokes market on `next shadow chancellor` does not include a quote on shadow treasury minister Alison Mcgovern .I`ve emailed for one.If Yvette Cooper wants the job she will surely get it and I`ve had a few quid on her at 25/1.

    I've had the maximum Shadsy allowed -- £10.10 -- on Yvette.
    Surely Corbyn's shadow chancellor is going to have to believe in 'people's QE', which partly involves removing the independence of bank of england: her husband's pet idea. She has to say 'No'.
    We don't know that the Governor of the Bank of England doesn't believe in it. Helicopter money is not so different from conventional QE. For the Bank, buying gilts for helicopters would look just like buying gilts for QE. I'd not be too surprised if George Osborne doesn't have a go in his next budget: perhaps in the guise of cutting taxes.

    On betting, I'd say Corbyn would need to shore up his position by persuading as many former opponents and ministers as he can to serve in the Shadow Cabinet, and that they would need to do so in order to stand next time.
    I expect JC to announce that he'll appoint his first Shadow Cabinet, but that next year the Party's members will choose it. And term limits for all leadership posts in the Party, including shadows.

    including himself so he has a get out clause?
  • Metatron said:

    Disappointing that Ladbrokes market on `next shadow chancellor` does not include a quote on shadow treasury minister Alison Mcgovern .I`ve emailed for one.If Yvette Cooper wants the job she will surely get it and I`ve had a few quid on her at 25/1.

    I've had the maximum Shadsy allowed -- £10.10 -- on Yvette.
    Surely Corbyn's shadow chancellor is going to have to believe in 'people's QE', which partly involves removing the independence of bank of england: her husband's pet idea. She has to say 'No'.
    We don't know that the Governor of the Bank of England doesn't believe in it. Helicopter money is not so different from conventional QE. For the Bank, buying gilts for helicopters would look just like buying gilts for QE. I'd not be too surprised if George Osborne doesn't have a go in his next budget: perhaps in the guise of cutting taxes.

    On betting, I'd say Corbyn would need to shore up his position by persuading as many former opponents and ministers as he can to serve in the Shadow Cabinet, and that they would need to do so in order to stand next time.
    I think there's a fundamental difference. Under current QE the Bank is buying assets such as gilts off banks and other financials using new money. But, it can sell them back and 'destroy' the new money at a later date. Corbyn's plans would mean the new money is permanent.

    There is nothing wrong with helicopter QE as an option in a Depression IMHO, but not clear to me that we are still in one.

    I also don't see what the problem is that people's QE is trying to solve. If Corbyn wants more Gov investment in infrastructure then say so and increase the debt levels or increase tax.
  • MikeK said:

    I am not a royalist but Queen Elizabeth II has put the British monarchy on an even keel and has had the luck of a long lived husband to take the strain. So from me to her: Long live the Queen!

    I think she would say that it was her father who did that. She certainly picked the right man to be her consort, tho'.
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    edited September 2015
    SR The "Get Out" might come from the tattered and battered remnants of his party..I cannot wait to see them stand up in the HOC and defend some of his nutty policies..Even politicians don't like being laughed at every day.
  • Mr. Borough, the lack of magic money trees is the problem.
  • John_M said:

    Good morning all. God save the Queen!

    What on earth happened to the talented Labour politicians of yesteryear? What a sad collection of no-hopers, never-has-beens and flakes.

    You're getting older. As are we all.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    Dair said:

    Nothing as disgusting as watching human beings subjugate themselves to another based on nothing more than an accident of birth and the personal choice to be serfs.

    You humiliate no-one other than yourselves.

    Republicanism is a reasonable position for someone to hold, but you do know serf has a more specific meAning than 'anyone under a royal' right? Peasant might work better, being a bit broader.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    edited September 2015

    Prudent
    Backing
    Diane Abbott.

    Words that should never appear in 1 sentence.

    Indeed, she's dreadful. Her politics, her manner, her Media skills, all terrible. Corbyn at least has that understated presence and politeness as some kind of breath of fresh air going for him, but he's madder than thought if abbot gets a top job. She'll be furious if she doesn't, she's been his biggest cheerleader.

  • Has Jean Claude given us our allotment of Refugees yet..
  • DavidL said:

    Thought it was pretty hilarious that Galloway, who is not an MP or a member of the Labour party, was still thought more likely than Kendall.

    If Corbyn is going to show any interest in seeking to even pretend that he wants to hold the party together surely Burnham or Cooper is most likely. Cooper has said she would not serve but the shadow job she has probably wanted most just might tempt her as might the idea she would then be well placed when the inevitable car crash becomes too painful to ignore.

    I disagree, if Corbyn wants to hold on then from his perspective putting Cooper in as Shadow Chancellor is like putting a viper in the nest. The Shadow Chancellor sort of by definition is an incredibly powerful figure whoever it is and if he grants that power to someone who doesn't respect him, they can use it against them at a time of their choosing.

    Lets say in two years Cooper decides to call for Corbyn to resign
    "Random formerly famous backbencher who lost the leadership election" calls for leader to resign is manageable.
    "Shadow Chancellor" calls for leader to resign is a crisis.

    If Corbyn intends to survive five years he needs to fill the big jobs with the most credible of his own supporters/people who can live with him.

    Look at the Tory Party for example. David Davis has gone from being a credible frontrunner and former favourite for leader to a laughing stock of a backbencher not taken seriously. Had Cameron reinstated him into the cabinet then he could resign and inflict damage, but he can't do much damage from the backbenches.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,517

    Moses_ said:

    Still can't get my head round the fact that Labour are going to collectively bungee jump without measuring the safe working load or length of the bungee line being used

    .....on the other hand?

    A few years ago there was a sad case where a bunch of medical students - from Nottingham I think - went for a bungee under a viaduct. They weighed the first jumper, calculated the right length of cord, and he jumped.

    Unfortunately they had not secured the other end of the cord.

    That seems to fit the situation Labour finds themselves in.
    Bollox, only to Tory fan boys
  • I think there's a fundamental difference. Under current QE the Bank is buying assets such as gilts off banks and other financials using new money. But, it can sell them back and 'destroy' the new money at a later date. Corbyn's plans would mean the new money is permanent.

    There is nothing wrong with helicopter QE as an option in a Depression IMHO, but not clear to me that we are still in one.

    I also don't see what the problem is that people's QE is trying to solve. If Corbyn wants more Gov investment in infrastructure then say so and increase the debt levels or increase tax.

    Not clear we are still in a depression? We haven't even been in recession for six years!

    The Bank of England is talking about raising interest rates within 12 months, there is no way the Bank would support this insanity.
  • DavidL said:

    Thought it was pretty hilarious that Galloway, who is not an MP or a member of the Labour party, was still thought more likely than Kendall.

    If Corbyn is going to show any interest in seeking to even pretend that he wants to hold the party together surely Burnham or Cooper is most likely. Cooper has said she would not serve but the shadow job she has probably wanted most just might tempt her as might the idea she would then be well placed when the inevitable car crash becomes too painful to ignore.

    I disagree, if Corbyn wants to hold on then from his perspective putting Cooper in as Shadow Chancellor is like putting a viper in the nest. The Shadow Chancellor sort of by definition is an incredibly powerful figure whoever it is and if he grants that power to someone who doesn't respect him, they can use it against them at a time of their choosing.

    Lets say in two years Cooper decides to call for Corbyn to resign
    "Random formerly famous backbencher who lost the leadership election" calls for leader to resign is manageable.
    "Shadow Chancellor" calls for leader to resign is a crisis.

    If Corbyn intends to survive five years he needs to fill the big jobs with the most credible of his own supporters/people who can live with him.

    Look at the Tory Party for example. David Davis has gone from being a credible frontrunner and former favourite for leader to a laughing stock of a backbencher not taken seriously. Had Cameron reinstated him into the cabinet then he could resign and inflict damage, but he can't do much damage from the backbenches.
    He is only a laughing stock in the minds of the Cameron loyalists who of course have to portray him that way as they are so frightened of what he can do.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,338

    Congratulations to Queen Elizabeth II on becoming our longest serving monarch today. A fantastic achievement from a monarch who has consistently put this country ahead of herself for her whole life. Even today, her daily schedule would exhaust somebody half her age.

    God Save The Queen.

    :+1:
    Seconded. It is not serf-like to recognise someone with a sense of public duty, whatever one might think about the institution. The monarchy may not work in theory but it works in practice. And that is largely down to HMQ herself.

    If Corbyn wins the leadership, we will get Syriza-style economic policy from him. One of his economic advisers is one of those who advises Syriza. It hardly matters who the Shadow Chancellor is if the policies are rubbish. Noddy would do as well, frankly.

    Off topic: this is well-said by our Business Secretary - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11852435/Sajid-Javid-condemns-dinner-party-anti-Semites.html

  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,517
    John_M said:

    Good morning all. God save the Queen!

    What on earth happened to the talented Labour politicians of yesteryear? What a sad collection of no-hopers, never-has-beens and flakes.

    Do you see any talented ones elsewhere, give me a laugh and name some Tories.
  • Inny.. ..See what I mean about the hilarious wit and the razor sharp riposte..
  • DavidL said:

    Thought it was pretty hilarious that Galloway, who is not an MP or a member of the Labour party, was still thought more likely than Kendall.

    If Corbyn is going to show any interest in seeking to even pretend that he wants to hold the party together surely Burnham or Cooper is most likely. Cooper has said she would not serve but the shadow job she has probably wanted most just might tempt her as might the idea she would then be well placed when the inevitable car crash becomes too painful to ignore.

    I disagree, if Corbyn wants to hold on then from his perspective putting Cooper in as Shadow Chancellor is like putting a viper in the nest. The Shadow Chancellor sort of by definition is an incredibly powerful figure whoever it is and if he grants that power to someone who doesn't respect him, they can use it against them at a time of their choosing.

    Lets say in two years Cooper decides to call for Corbyn to resign
    "Random formerly famous backbencher who lost the leadership election" calls for leader to resign is manageable.
    "Shadow Chancellor" calls for leader to resign is a crisis.

    If Corbyn intends to survive five years he needs to fill the big jobs with the most credible of his own supporters/people who can live with him.

    Look at the Tory Party for example. David Davis has gone from being a credible frontrunner and former favourite for leader to a laughing stock of a backbencher not taken seriously. Had Cameron reinstated him into the cabinet then he could resign and inflict damage, but he can't do much damage from the backbenches.
    He is only a laughing stock in the minds of the Cameron loyalists who of course have to portray him that way as they are so frightened of what he can do.
    You can not be serious. I don't think anyone is frightened of Davis. That's more laughable than being frightened of Vince Cable's nuclear option LOL!
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,517

    Metatron said:

    Disappointing that Ladbrokes market on `next shadow chancellor` does not include a quote on shadow treasury minister Alison Mcgovern .I`ve emailed for one.If Yvette Cooper wants the job she will surely get it and I`ve had a few quid on her at 25/1.

    I've had the maximum Shadsy allowed -- £10.10 -- on Yvette.
    God help us if that turkey gets it. Would also mean making a real tool of herself given she has publicly stated that she would not serve under Corbyn.
  • Mr. Tyndall, Davis has been very sound on ID cards and civil liberties. I was surprised he was so weak-kneed over the killing of terrorist traitors, though.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,338
    malcolmg said:

    John_M said:

    Good morning all. God save the Queen!

    What on earth happened to the talented Labour politicians of yesteryear? What a sad collection of no-hopers, never-has-beens and flakes.

    Do you see any talented ones elsewhere, give me a laugh and name some Tories.
    Malcolm: I would say that the most talented politician around at the moment has been Nicola Sturgeon, simply measured by her achievements. Not just the electoral success but also her success in succeeding Salmond.

    I'm not saying anything about her policies, about which I don't know much but simply in terms of political skill.



  • DavidL said:

    Thought it was pretty hilarious that Galloway, who is not an MP or a member of the Labour party, was still thought more likely than Kendall.

    If Corbyn is going to show any interest in seeking to even pretend that he wants to hold the party together surely Burnham or Cooper is most likely. Cooper has said she would not serve but the shadow job she has probably wanted most just might tempt her as might the idea she would then be well placed when the inevitable car crash becomes too painful to ignore.

    I disagree, if Corbyn wants to hold on then from his perspective putting Cooper in as Shadow Chancellor is like putting a viper in the nest. The Shadow Chancellor sort of by definition is an incredibly powerful figure whoever it is and if he grants that power to someone who doesn't respect him, they can use it against them at a time of their choosing.

    Lets say in two years Cooper decides to call for Corbyn to resign
    "Random formerly famous backbencher who lost the leadership election" calls for leader to resign is manageable.
    "Shadow Chancellor" calls for leader to resign is a crisis.

    If Corbyn intends to survive five years he needs to fill the big jobs with the most credible of his own supporters/people who can live with him.

    Look at the Tory Party for example. David Davis has gone from being a credible frontrunner and former favourite for leader to a laughing stock of a backbencher not taken seriously. Had Cameron reinstated him into the cabinet then he could resign and inflict damage, but he can't do much damage from the backbenches.
    He is only a laughing stock in the minds of the Cameron loyalists who of course have to portray him that way as they are so frightened of what he can do.
    You can not be serious. I don't think anyone is frightened of Davis. That's more laughable than being frightened of Vince Cable's nuclear option LOL!
    As I said. Cameron loyalists have to say that for fear of the damage he can do to their leader by taking principled stands. You are deluded if you think the rest of the country views him in the same way.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    TOPPING said:

    It's a marvellous achievement, a fantastic record unlikely to be paralleled. It is exemplary dedication to one's country, especially so in this modern era of computer games and limited attention spans...truly: Wayne Rooney's achievement is worthy of much praise.

    A striker who has consistently failed to produce the goods at major tournaments but can get a hat trick against San Marino? Colour me unimpressed.

    HM however has demonstrated that the way to live a long time is to keep occupied, get a fair amount of fresh air and exercise and have someone else do the washing up. An example to us all!
  • Miss Cyclefree, in terms of recent leadership changes, the SNP and Labour are extreme ends of the spectrum. Whilst not a Salmond fan, he did achieve significant success which has only increased with his successor. Meanwhile, Miliband led Labour to a historic defeat and Labour are about to elect [probably] someone even worse.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,517

    Inny ..that was at the same pathetic level of sharp witted riposte that the MG dribbles out.. keep trying.. are you a Scot by any chance ..

    I note others also notice you are a real wimpy frothing right wing jessie , put your dunce's hat back on and get back into the corner.
  • Mr. Tyndall, Davis has been very sound on ID cards and civil liberties. I was surprised he was so weak-kneed over the killing of terrorist traitors, though.

    He believes that we should have due process in these matters. The 'traitors' bit of course is a red herring since we no longer have the death penalty for treason. So the only question - and the one that personally I think the Government seem sound on - is one of imminent threat.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,706
    Did I hear this morning that HM Queen Elizabeth has finally surpassed Bobby Charlton's record?
  • Inny... another shining example..I do hope you are taking notes....
  • Cyclefree said:

    malcolmg said:

    John_M said:

    Good morning all. God save the Queen!

    What on earth happened to the talented Labour politicians of yesteryear? What a sad collection of no-hopers, never-has-beens and flakes.

    Do you see any talented ones elsewhere, give me a laugh and name some Tories.
    Malcolm: I would say that the most talented politician around at the moment has been Nicola Sturgeon, simply measured by her achievements. Not just the electoral success but also her success in succeeding Salmond.

    I'm not saying anything about her policies, about which I don't know much but simply in terms of political skill.
    Is Sturgeon that talented? She's just built on what Salmond had already built.

    I'm not convinced the SNP are that talented either. If they had been then as the SNPers so repeatedly insisted the referendum was winnable then shouldn't they have won the referendum? Why did they lose a referendum we were all told they were going to win?

    The SNP don't exist in a vacuum but they might as well, as Scottish Toryism is dead and SLAB is useless and by joining a coalition with the Tories Scottish Liberalism committed Hari Kari. Under the circumstances with no credible Scottish opponents wouldn't almost any other SNP leader have done just as well as Sturgeon?
  • JWisemannJWisemann Posts: 1,082
    edited September 2015
    Cyclefree said:

    Congratulations to Queen Elizabeth II on becoming our longest serving monarch today. A fantastic achievement from a monarch who has consistently put this country ahead of herself for her whole life. Even today, her daily schedule would exhaust somebody half her age.

    God Save The Queen.

    :+1:
    Seconded. It is not serf-like to recognise someone with a sense of public duty, whatever one might think about the institution. The monarchy may not work in theory but it works in practice. And that is largely down to HMQ herself.

    If Corbyn wins the leadership, we will get Syriza-style economic policy from him. One of his economic advisers is one of those who advises Syriza. It hardly matters who the Shadow Chancellor is if the policies are rubbish. Noddy would do as well, frankly.

    Off topic: this is well-said by our Business Secretary - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11852435/Sajid-Javid-condemns-dinner-party-anti-Semites.html

    No it isn't. He is offering no evidence for his nonsense assertions whatsoever (he doesn't even give one example). It's basically code for 'stop criticising Israel.' As I have repeated many times, if criticising Israel is anti-Semitic, the 72% of the UK population who have an unfavourable opinion of Israel are anti-Semitic.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,517

    Inny.. ..See what I mean about the hilarious wit and the razor sharp riposte..

    What a francis you are, mental age of 5 at best. Hopefully you are not one of the refugees Juncker allocates to the UK.
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    RobD said:

    https://twitter.com/BritishMonarchy/status/641490536843603968

    Fitting that the official photograph of the occasion is of her working.

    I imagine she is no pussy cat in her regular meetings with the PM, second only to PMQs....
  • On topic: I've always recoiled at the expression "talented politician", talent is what artists and athletes have. Becoming a politician takes practice, its not an inherent gift. OK some may be talented communicators but the thought of people having the natural ability to become a politician undermines what the role requires imo.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,517
    Cyclefree said:

    malcolmg said:

    John_M said:

    Good morning all. God save the Queen!

    What on earth happened to the talented Labour politicians of yesteryear? What a sad collection of no-hopers, never-has-beens and flakes.

    Do you see any talented ones elsewhere, give me a laugh and name some Tories.
    Malcolm: I would say that the most talented politician around at the moment has been Nicola Sturgeon, simply measured by her achievements. Not just the electoral success but also her success in succeeding Salmond.

    I'm not saying anything about her policies, about which I don't know much but simply in terms of political skill.



    Cyclefree, she is certainly better than any at Westminster, but like the rest of them both her and SNP have plenty of rotten policies etc. Best of a bad lot but not great.
  • As I said. Cameron loyalists have to say that for fear of the damage he can do to their leader by taking principled stands. You are deluded if you think the rest of the country views him in the same way.

    Except I'm not a politician and simply state my mind as I see it so I'm not obliged to say anything, I've recently criticised Cameron on a number of issues here.

    You are absolutely deluded if you think Davis is viewed by the country as a whole anywhere near as seriously as he was a decade ago, nor anywhere near as seriously as he would be viewed were he in the cabinet now.
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    JackW said:

    Congratulations to Her Maj on becoming today the second longest reigning monarch in British history ....

    She will overtake James VIII/III on 23rd May 2016.

    The Stuarts were nowt but trouble!
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,517

    Cyclefree said:

    malcolmg said:

    John_M said:

    Good morning all. God save the Queen!

    What on earth happened to the talented Labour politicians of yesteryear? What a sad collection of no-hopers, never-has-beens and flakes.

    Do you see any talented ones elsewhere, give me a laugh and name some Tories.
    Malcolm: I would say that the most talented politician around at the moment has been Nicola Sturgeon, simply measured by her achievements. Not just the electoral success but also her success in succeeding Salmond.

    I'm not saying anything about her policies, about which I don't know much but simply in terms of political skill.
    Is Sturgeon that talented? She's just built on what Salmond had already built.

    I'm not convinced the SNP are that talented either. If they had been then as the SNPers so repeatedly insisted the referendum was winnable then shouldn't they have won the referendum? Why did they lose a referendum we were all told they were going to win?

    The SNP don't exist in a vacuum but they might as well, as Scottish Toryism is dead and SLAB is useless and by joining a coalition with the Tories Scottish Liberalism committed Hari Kari. Under the circumstances with no credible Scottish opponents wouldn't almost any other SNP leader have done just as well as Sturgeon?
    Yes simple isn't it.
  • Jonathan said:

    Did I hear this morning that HM Queen Elizabeth has finally surpassed Bobby Charlton's record?

    According to Sky Sports it was Bobby Robson's record.
    http://www.joe.co.uk/sport/sky-sports-get-into-a-bit-of-a-muddle-in-the-aftermath-of-rooneys-record-breaking-goal-pic/14499
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966

    As I said. Cameron loyalists have to say that for fear of the damage he can do to their leader by taking principled stands. You are deluded if you think the rest of the country views him in the same way.

    Except I'm not a politician and simply state my mind as I see it so I'm not obliged to say anything, I've recently criticised Cameron on a number of issues here.
    Can't recall one ;)

  • On topic: I've always recoiled at the expression "talented politician", talent is what artists and athletes have. Becoming a politician takes practice, its not an inherent gift. OK some may be talented communicators but the thought of people having the natural ability to become a politician undermines what the role requires imo.

    You don't think athletes or artists practice?
  • Jonathan I sometimes think she should play on the other wing..she tends to be better with her left foot sometimes.. might help if she took the crown off during the game.. plays havoc with the footballs
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    JWisemann said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Congratulations to Queen Elizabeth II on becoming our longest serving monarch today. A fantastic achievement from a monarch who has consistently put this country ahead of herself for her whole life. Even today, her daily schedule would exhaust somebody half her age.

    God Save The Queen.

    :+1:
    Seconded. It is not serf-like to recognise someone with a sense of public duty, whatever one might think about the institution. The monarchy may not work in theory but it works in practice. And that is largely down to HMQ herself.

    If Corbyn wins the leadership, we will get Syriza-style economic policy from him. One of his economic advisers is one of those who advises Syriza. It hardly matters who the Shadow Chancellor is if the policies are rubbish. Noddy would do as well, frankly.

    Off topic: this is well-said by our Business Secretary - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11852435/Sajid-Javid-condemns-dinner-party-anti-Semites.html

    No it isn't. He is offering no evidence for his nonsense assertions whatsoever (he doesn't even give one example). It's basically code for 'stop criticising Israel.' As I have repeated many times, if criticising Israel is anti-Semitic, the 72% of the UK population who have an unfavourable opinion of Israel are anti-Semitic.
    And as usual you continue to treat Judaism and zionism as one and the same.
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    edited September 2015
    malcolmg said:

    Cyclefree said:

    malcolmg said:

    John_M said:

    Good morning all. God save the Queen!

    What on earth happened to the talented Labour politicians of yesteryear? What a sad collection of no-hopers, never-has-beens and flakes.

    Do you see any talented ones elsewhere, give me a laugh and name some Tories.
    Malcolm: I would say that the most talented politician around at the moment has been Nicola Sturgeon, simply measured by her achievements. Not just the electoral success but also her success in succeeding Salmond.

    I'm not saying anything about her policies, about which I don't know much but simply in terms of political skill.



    Cyclefree, she is certainly better than any at Westminster, but like the rest of them both her and SNP have plenty of rotten policies etc. Best of a bad lot but not great.
    She is one of the few politicians who could convincingly marry an economic liberalism with a social concious and run a government like that. Unfortunately, devolution how it is currently constructed has created a 'cap in hand' institution. It pays to blame everything on the UK government because you are merely spending money raised by other people (this isnt an attack on how barnett is redistributed, or how much the Scots contribute to the economy, just a statement that the Scottish Government is not accountable for the money raised to fund its duties).

    Much more domestic responsibility for tax raising and spending will change that.
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293

    On topic: I've always recoiled at the expression "talented politician", talent is what artists and athletes have. Becoming a politician takes practice, its not an inherent gift. OK some may be talented communicators but the thought of people having the natural ability to become a politician undermines what the role requires imo.

    You don't think athletes or artists practice?
    Wasnt there a famous quote, maybe from Steve Davis, about 'talent', he said something about how it is funny, the more and more I practice the more natural talent i seem to have....
  • Mr. Notme, wasn't it a golfer who said the more he practised, the luckier he got?
  • Indigo said:

    As I said. Cameron loyalists have to say that for fear of the damage he can do to their leader by taking principled stands. You are deluded if you think the rest of the country views him in the same way.

    Except I'm not a politician and simply state my mind as I see it so I'm not obliged to say anything, I've recently criticised Cameron on a number of issues here.
    Can't recall one ;)

    Fair enough.

    1: I have been saying we should be bringing in more refugees. Though he's now doing the right thing it shouldn't have taken a media uproar to get there.
    2: I've opposed his attempts and stated goal to get immigration down into the tens of thousands - it isn't possible or desirable.
    3: I thought attempts to remove purdah were wrong, if we get a good renegotiation and vote for in then we need to not just win the referendum but to settle the issue be seen to do so fairly or this whole ordeal was relatively pointless.
    4: He needs to act in Syria. Just because he lost a vote to Miliband years ago is no reason not to go back to Parliament again now. He could have gotten a vote through Parliament during the honeymoon before the recess.
    5: For hunting. Seriously is that what we're bothered about in the 21st century? Its over like cockfighting move on.
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