Edited extra bit: Corbyn wants to use QE to stimulate growth (for infrastructure) and cites Japan as an example.
Errr, Japan has a bloody enormous mountain of debt and middling growth, the rate of which has been in decline for decades now. I'm not sure Japan is a country we would want to copy.
Say what you like about Corbyn, and I know many of you do, but his campaign has been tremendously well run. The steady stream of announcements on a variety of subjects has allowed Corbyn to set the agenda while forcing the others to scramble for a response or repeat platitudes. Corbyn's campaign has also made impressive use of the web and social media to engage people without feeling overly corporate, artificial or cynical. Particularly impressive given the candidate in question is in his 60s and won't have hired a bunch of PR gurus.
Yes, Corbyn gets the rosette for the best campaign.
He has however been considerably helped by the opposition.
Burnham, Cooper and Kendall have been so bad, it is really difficult to say which of the three has run the worst campaign.
Probably, I’d put Burnham and Kendall as equal last. For a long time, I thought Cooper was not even interested in winning, but her campaign has began to show some dim signs of life.
Say what you like about Corbyn, and I know many of you do, but his campaign has been tremendously well run. The steady stream of announcements on a variety of subjects has allowed Corbyn to set the agenda while forcing the others to scramble for a response or repeat platitudes. Corbyn's campaign has also made impressive use of the web and social media to engage people without feeling overly corporate, artificial or cynical. Particularly impressive given the candidate in question is in his 60s and won't have hired a bunch of PR gurus.
Yes, Corbyn gets the rosette for the best campaign.
He has however been considerably helped by the opposition.
Burnham, Cooper and Kendall have been so bad, it is really difficult to say which of the three has run the worst campaign.
Probably, I’d put Burnham and Kendall as equal last. For a long time, I thought Cooper was not even interested in winning, but her campaign has began to show some dim signs of life.
Kendall always had a hard ask, being to the right of the main Labour membership. But Burnham was the favourite, supposed to win. He has failed far more than LK.
Say what you like about Corbyn, and I know many of you do, but his campaign has been tremendously well run. The steady stream of announcements on a variety of subjects has allowed Corbyn to set the agenda while forcing the others to scramble for a response or repeat platitudes. Corbyn's campaign has also made impressive use of the web and social media to engage people without feeling overly corporate, artificial or cynical. Particularly impressive given the candidate in question is in his 60s and won't have hired a bunch of PR gurus.
He has quite a bunch helping him - moulding him more like - so lets not nbe fooled. ''Jeremy Corbyn's campaign director, Simon Fletcher, made his name working for “Red” Ken Livingstone for 12 years, including eight years as his chief of staff when he was Mayor of London.... began his career working for Tony Benn and is believed to have been a member of Socialist Action, the secretive Trotskyite group.... now overseeing Corbyn’s leadership bid, working out of the TSSA Union offices in London''
''A former President of the National Union of Students, Kat Fletcher was regarded as radically left-wing even by the NUS’s standards....she is now Deputy Mayor on Islington council ''
''Jon Trickett, MP for Hemsworth in Yorkshire since a 1996 by-election, was an early backer of Jeremy Corbyn, urging fellow MPs to nominate him in the “spirit of democracy”, and is now a key adviser to Team Corbyn... Trickett has denied that the party lost the 2015 election because it was too left-wing. He has argued that Miliband’s policies were not vote-losers and suggested that the “accents” and “dress” of prominent Labour MPs were to blame for the defeat''
''The third Fletcher in Team Corbyn - none of whom are related - Harry Fletcher was assistant general secretary of NAPO, the probation officers’ union, for more than two decades until 2013. He is now volunteering for the Corbyn campaign, helping him deal with the media and strategy''
''Len McCluskey is the general secretary of Unite, Britain’s biggest trade union and Labour’s biggest donor – handing about £19 million to the party over the last Parliament... The decision earlier this month by Unite’s executive committee to instead support Jeremy Corbyn sent shockwaves through the Labour party'' (as per the Telegraph)
‘ABCs have been so bad, it is really difficult to say which of the 3 ran the worst campaign.’
Jeremy Corbyn ran a campaign in every sense of the word – the other 3 just sat on their thumbs spouting platitudes, hoping a leadership win would just fall in their laps.
I wish I could post a link on here to chapter 6 - Wishful Thinking - of Paul Berman's book "Terror and Liberalism" which analyses precisely the delusions of those like Corbyn and others who end up rationalising their support for and/or engagement with illiberal groups. It shows precisely how absurd their position is and how alike they are to the liberal minded people who refused to believe in the wickedness of Stalin and to the anti-war French Socialists of the 1930's who, so anti-war were they, that they convinced themselves that the true dangers came not from Hitler but from those socialists who were so adamantly against the Nazis. He describes people who believed that "even the enemies of reason cannot be the enemies of reason. Even the unreasonable must be, in some fashion, be reasonable."
And so such people began to think that maybe Hitler had a point and so it was that when France fell in 1940 the Socialists split and some of them voted for Petain and joined the pro-Nazi Vichy government.
Do read. He describes very well the naive belief in a rational liberalism which ignores liberalism as the advocacy of freedom but liberalism as denial, as a refusal to believe that millions of people can sign up for a political movement consisting of paranoid conspiracy theories, blood curdling hatreds, medieval superstitions and the lure of murder. It explains Corbyn. It explains those who vote for him because he is trying to "engage" very well. It explains why a left which likes to parade its anti-facist/racist credentials is in bed with fascists and racists and anti-Semites and why no amount of bleating about his mummy being at Cable Street can get Corbyn and the left out of the hole they've dug themselves into.
Say what you like about Corbyn, and I know many of you do, but his campaign has been tremendously well run. The steady stream of announcements on a variety of subjects has allowed Corbyn to set the agenda while forcing the others to scramble for a response or repeat platitudes. Corbyn's campaign has also made impressive use of the web and social media to engage people without feeling overly corporate, artificial or cynical. Particularly impressive given the candidate in question is in his 60s and won't have hired a bunch of PR gurus.
(part 2) And as the NS says -- ''Carmel Nolan -- Corbyn’s press chief is a former radio journalist and veteran campaigner from Liverpool – and, like him, was a leading architect of the Stop the War coalition. She has described the Corbyn team as “a coalition of the willing and the available” and “like Stop the War with bells on”.''
I think really the whole leadership campaign is a take-over of the Labour Party by the Stop the War Coalition, paid for by UNITE. The fact that labour people like Mr Palmer can be so sanguine about this is quite revealing.
BTW Simon Fletcher took Livingstone ''to victory as an independent, masterminding a “Stand down, Frank” campaign against Frank Dobson''.
Again I repeat this is not an amateur campaign run by a doddery pensioner - its a professional take over with a willing front man. He and they have the big advantage of being able to print their own electorate as well.
Mind you, LMU is a university in the same way that I'm a marathon runner.
All this stuff about JC hasn't really surfaced yet in mainstream media, presumably it is waiting to get the timing right. I think this story is as bad as the Falklands one which did make bit of a ripple. But I suppose the mainstream media (never mind the Tories) will know how and when to lard it on. I must say that this doesn't show his electorate in a good light either but looking at the boundaries, this is a Mickey Mouse with a red rosette constituency, particularly for a MM who's declared for Islam.
The embassy in London where Julian Assange has chosen to remain for more than three years considered getting rid of their long-term guest by helping him flee in fancy dress,
Mind you, LMU is a university in the same way that I'm a marathon runner.
All this stuff about JC hasn't really surfaced yet in mainstream media, presumably it is waiting to get the timing right. I think this story is as bad as the Falklands one which did make bit of a ripple. But I suppose the mainstream media (never mind the Tories) will know how and when to lard it on. I must say that this doesn't show his electorate in a good light either but looking at the boundaries, this is a Mickey Mouse with a red rosette constituency, particularly for a MM who's declared for Islam.
Say what you like about Corbyn, and I know many of you do, but his campaign has been tremendously well run. The steady stream of announcements on a variety of subjects has allowed Corbyn to set the agenda while forcing the others to scramble for a response or repeat platitudes. Corbyn's campaign has also made impressive use of the web and social media to engage people without feeling overly corporate, artificial or cynical. Particularly impressive given the candidate in question is in his 60s and won't have hired a bunch of PR gurus.
He has quite a bunch helping him - moulding him more like - so lets not nbe fooled. ''Jeremy Corbyn's campaign director, Simon Fletcher, made his name working for “Red” Ken Livingstone for 12 years, including eight years as his chief of staff when he was Mayor of London.... began his career working for Tony Benn and is believed to have been a member of Socialist Action, the secretive Trotskyite group.... now overseeing Corbyn’s leadership bid, working out of the TSSA Union offices in London''
''A former President of the National Union of Students, Kat Fletcher was regarded as radically left-wing even by the NUS’s standards....she is now Deputy Mayor on Islington council ''
''Jon Trickett, MP for Hemsworth in Yorkshire since a 1996 by-election, was an early backer of Jeremy Corbyn, urging fellow MPs to nominate him in the “spirit of democracy”, and is now a key adviser to Team Corbyn... Trickett has denied that the party lost the 2015 election because it was too left-wing. He has argued that Miliband’s policies were not vote-losers and suggested that the “accents” and “dress” of prominent Labour MPs were to blame for the defeat''
''The third Fletcher in Team Corbyn - none of whom are related - Harry Fletcher was assistant general secretary of NAPO, the probation officers’ union, for more than two decades until 2013. He is now volunteering for the Corbyn campaign, helping him deal with the media and strategy''
''Len McCluskey is the general secretary of Unite, Britain’s biggest trade union and Labour’s biggest donor – handing about £19 million to the party over the last Parliament... The decision earlier this month by Unite’s executive committee to instead support Jeremy Corbyn sent shockwaves through the Labour party'' (as per the Telegraph)
Edited extra bit: Corbyn wants to use QE to stimulate growth (for infrastructure) and cites Japan as an example.
Errr, Japan has a bloody enormous mountain of debt and middling growth, the rate of which has been in decline for decades now. I'm not sure Japan is a country we would want to copy.
It is perfectly reasonable to use QE in a Depression, indeed Keynesian economics 101. It's another way of increasing government debt effectively to increase demand when no one else will. The issue is - we are no longer in a depression situation. Growth is weak, productivity low, balance of payments off the scale, but its not a depression IMHO. I doubt Keynes would be keen on more QE at this stage.
Most people who are going to vote will have voted by now, so JC would be right to feel he has won.
All candidates will be feeling rather weary by now, as will the electorate.
When I was a lad Slasher Mackay and Ted Dexter were my cricketing heroes, obviously for different reasons. These four horsemen make Slasher look like Ted.
Say what you like about Corbyn, and I know many of you do, but his campaign has been tremendously well run. The steady stream of announcements on a variety of subjects has allowed Corbyn to set the agenda while forcing the others to scramble for a response or repeat platitudes. Corbyn's campaign has also made impressive use of the web and social media to engage people without feeling overly corporate, artificial or cynical. Particularly impressive given the candidate in question is in his 60s and won't have hired a bunch of PR gurus.
Yes, Corbyn gets the rosette for the best campaign.
He has however been considerably helped by the opposition.
Burnham, Cooper and Kendall have been so bad, it is really difficult to say which of the three has run the worst campaign.
Probably, I’d put Burnham and Kendall as equal last. For a long time, I thought Cooper was not even interested in winning, but her campaign has began to show some dim signs of life.
Kendall always had a hard ask, being to the right of the main Labour membership. But Burnham was the favourite, supposed to win. He has failed far more than LK.
There is an article by LK on LabourList at the moment. “We’re strangling our Party with structures, processes and bureaucracy"
It literally has nothing to say. It is devoid of interest, ideas, intelligence and creativity. It is just a mouthing of vacuous & incoherent platitudes. For example,
"Winning power in order to give it away has been a central theme of my leadership campaign and if I’m elected as Leader on September 12th this will be the principle that drives the relationship between our Party and our members. If we can enable individuals and communities to find their own power we will once again find our relevance to the electorate. “
What does that mean, in practical terms? It would not be out of place in some whack-job religious cult -- find the power and we can be and we can do.
Perhaps AB has fallen the furthest, but LK has been the most disappointing and vacuous.
Say what you like about Corbyn, and I know many of you do, but his campaign has been tremendously well run. The steady stream of announcements on a variety of subjects has allowed Corbyn to set the agenda while forcing the others to scramble for a response or repeat platitudes. Corbyn's campaign has also made impressive use of the web and social media to engage people without feeling overly corporate, artificial or cynical. Particularly impressive given the candidate in question is in his 60s and won't have hired a bunch of PR gurus.
Yes, Corbyn gets the rosette for the best campaign.
He has however been considerably helped by the opposition.
Burnham, Cooper and Kendall have been so bad, it is really difficult to say which of the three has run the worst campaign.
Probably, I’d put Burnham and Kendall as equal last. For a long time, I thought Cooper was not even interested in winning, but her campaign has began to show some dim signs of life.
Kendall always had a hard ask, being to the right of the main Labour membership. But Burnham was the favourite, supposed to win. He has failed far more than LK.
Kendall has managed to take the biggest liability of each candidate, and trumped each of them.
She's less electable than Jeremy, less charismatic than Yvette, less intelligent than Andy
‘ABCs have been so bad, it is really difficult to say which of the 3 ran the worst campaign.’
Jeremy Corbyn ran a campaign in every sense of the word – the other 3 just sat on their thumbs spouting platitudes, hoping a leadership win would just fall in their laps.
They ran an AV campaign based on not offending anyone and getting second choices. They planned everything down to a T, except the late entrance of a bloke who had nothing to lose and a deep well of naïve voters who just wanted to feel good after a dispiriting few years to tap into. And having planned so intensively and war-gamed it all ahead of time, the other three did not have the imagination, the wit or the words to respond. And thus Labour ends up as a party that has given up on governing - a toxic mixture of fearful careerists and fearless malcontents.
It is perfectly reasonable to use QE in a Depression, indeed Keynesian economics 101. It's another way of increasing government debt effectively to increase demand when no one else will. The issue is - we are no longer in a depression situation. Growth is weak, productivity low, balance of payments off the scale, but its not a depression IMHO. I doubt Keynes would be keen on more QE at this stage.
Which is why Corbyn is wrong, Japan has been "investing" for a very long time now with little to show for it. If there is an argument for splurging cash on infrastructure to stimulate the wider economy Corbyn needs to find a better example, if anything what has happened in Japan suggests that we should do elsewise.
Say what you like about Corbyn, and I know many of you do, but his campaign has been tremendously well run. The steady stream of announcements on a variety of subjects has allowed Corbyn to set the agenda while forcing the others to scramble for a response or repeat platitudes. Corbyn's campaign has also made impressive use of the web and social media to engage people without feeling overly corporate, artificial or cynical. Particularly impressive given the candidate in question is in his 60s and won't have hired a bunch of PR gurus.
Those outside of the Labour party who would give him a hard time (and there are loads) seem to have been content to go easy and give him a largely free rein. Lots of theories for this but it won't last forever. As far as campaign support is concerned we will only see the tip of the iceberg, useful idiots only see this much too.
Say what you like about Corbyn, and I know many of you do, but his campaign has been tremendously well run. The steady stream of announcements on a variety of subjects has allowed Corbyn to set the agenda while forcing the others to scramble for a response or repeat platitudes. Corbyn's campaign has also made impressive use of the web and social media to engage people without feeling overly corporate, artificial or cynical. Particularly impressive given the candidate in question is in his 60s and won't have hired a bunch of PR gurus.
Yes, Corbyn gets the rosette for the best campaign.
He has however been considerably helped by the opposition.
Burnham, Cooper and Kendall have been so bad, it is really difficult to say which of the three has run the worst campaign.
Probably, I’d put Burnham and Kendall as equal last. For a long time, I thought Cooper was not even interested in winning, but her campaign has began to show some dim signs of life.
Kendall always had a hard ask, being to the right of the main Labour membership. But Burnham was the favourite, supposed to win. He has failed far more than LK.
Cooper had the biggest campaign team, most donations and most of the Labour staff working for her, so all of the losing candidates have a reason to be very disappointed. The way the party hasn't rallied around Burnham, despite him seeming to be the best to stop Corbyn would suggest she might have had a good chance of winning (on second preferences) if Corbyn hadn't got in.
Edited extra bit: Corbyn wants to use QE to stimulate growth (for infrastructure) and cites Japan as an example.
Errr, Japan has a bloody enormous mountain of debt and middling growth, the rate of which has been in decline for decades now. I'm not sure Japan is a country we would want to copy.
It has a huge demographic problem but takes very few immigrants.
There is plenty to criticize Corbyn for without having to resort to articles from the (predominantly) Zionist website Harry's Place. It hardly builds up your credibility as a slayer of the illiberal.
It is perfectly reasonable to use QE in a Depression, indeed Keynesian economics 101. It's another way of increasing government debt effectively to increase demand when no one else will. The issue is - we are no longer in a depression situation. Growth is weak, productivity low, balance of payments off the scale, but its not a depression IMHO. I doubt Keynes would be keen on more QE at this stage.
Which is why Corbyn is wrong, Japan has been "investing" for a very long time now with little to show for it. If there is an argument for splurging cash on infrastructure to stimulate the wider economy Corbyn needs to find a better example, if anything what has happened in Japan suggests that we should do elsewise.
As far as I understand it, Japan is trying something pretty experimental - hence the so-called Abenomics moniker. Personally I think there is some further scope in UK to borrow for infrastructure, because it can be done at such a low rate - giving future generations new transport links or whatever at a bargain price relatively. But that's not full scale Abenomics.
Simon Fletcher: chief of staff for the former Mayor of London Kat Fletcher: deputy mayor of Islington Council and former leader of the NUS Harry Fletcher: Former deputy of probation officers union. Carmel Nolan: Head of the Stop the War coalition
Now, forgive me, but aside from Simon Fletcher, that doesn't seem like a particularly formidable lineup. Indeed, if Corbyn wasn't winning then members here would probably mock those involved at being irrelevant and out-of-touch.
It does, however, look like Simon Fletcher is good at running election campaigns.
There is plenty to criticize Corbyn for without having to resort to articles from the (predominantly) Zionist website Harry's Place. It hardly builds up your credibility as a slayer of the illiberal.
Are you suggesting that the image of Jeremy Corbyn's letter on that page is a forgery? If not, what does it matter where the article was published?
There is plenty to criticize Corbyn for without having to resort to articles from the (predominantly) Zionist website Harry's Place. It hardly builds up your credibility as a slayer of the illiberal.
Are you suggesting that the image of Jeremy Corbyn's letter on that page is a forgery? If not, what does it matter where the article was published?
You don't realise that something immediately loses its credibility when associated with 'Zionist' (nudge nudge, wink wink) outfits. You need to hang around people like the IRA and Hezbollah to be taken seriously.
It is perfectly reasonable to use QE in a Depression, indeed Keynesian economics 101. It's another way of increasing government debt effectively to increase demand when no one else will. The issue is - we are no longer in a depression situation. Growth is weak, productivity low, balance of payments off the scale, but its not a depression IMHO. I doubt Keynes would be keen on more QE at this stage.
Which is why Corbyn is wrong, Japan has been "investing" for a very long time now with little to show for it. If there is an argument for splurging cash on infrastructure to stimulate the wider economy Corbyn needs to find a better example, if anything what has happened in Japan suggests that we should do elsewise.
Japan is actually a strong case for economic stimulus: when they've gone for it, it's worked, but then they've always got nervous and reversed course, causing a slump.
But there's a big difference that Japan has been undergoing deflation for years, while we have inflation. So we don't have scope to print money like they do.
There is plenty to criticize Corbyn for without having to resort to articles from the (predominantly) Zionist website Harry's Place. It hardly builds up your credibility as a slayer of the illiberal.
There is plenty to criticize Corbyn for without having to resort to articles from the (predominantly) Zionist website Harry's Place. It hardly builds up your credibility as a slayer of the illiberal.
Are you suggesting that the image of Jeremy Corbyn's letter on that page is a forgery? If not, what does it matter where the article was published?
You don't realise that something immediately loses its credibility when associated with 'Zionist' (nudge nudge, wink wink) outfits. You need to hang around people like the IRA and Hezbollah to be taken seriously.
Poor old Roger doesn't - or perhaps won't - understand that being against anti-Semitism doesn't make you a Zionist.
It is perfectly reasonable to use QE in a Depression, indeed Keynesian economics 101. It's another way of increasing government debt effectively to increase demand when no one else will. The issue is - we are no longer in a depression situation. Growth is weak, productivity low, balance of payments off the scale, but its not a depression IMHO. I doubt Keynes would be keen on more QE at this stage.
Which is why Corbyn is wrong, Japan has been "investing" for a very long time now with little to show for it. If there is an argument for splurging cash on infrastructure to stimulate the wider economy Corbyn needs to find a better example, if anything what has happened in Japan suggests that we should do elsewise.
As far as I understand it, Japan is trying something pretty experimental - hence the so-called Abenomics moniker. Personally I think there is some further scope in UK to borrow for infrastructure, because it can be done at such a low rate - giving future generations new transport links or whatever at a bargain price relatively. But that's not full scale Abenomics.
Investing in infrastructure or anything with poor returns is bad for a country because it wastes resources, whether it is a company or a government doing the investing.
The UK should be investing in projects with good returns that will improve productivity and thus increase our wealth.
Given the weak busines case, HS2, for example, must be a dubious use of £50bn of government money. The country's resources should be better utilised.
It is perfectly reasonable to use QE in a Depression, indeed Keynesian economics 101. It's another way of increasing government debt effectively to increase demand when no one else will. The issue is - we are no longer in a depression situation. Growth is weak, productivity low, balance of payments off the scale, but its not a depression IMHO. I doubt Keynes would be keen on more QE at this stage.
Which is why Corbyn is wrong, Japan has been "investing" for a very long time now with little to show for it. If there is an argument for splurging cash on infrastructure to stimulate the wider economy Corbyn needs to find a better example, if anything what has happened in Japan suggests that we should do elsewise.
As far as I understand it, Japan is trying something pretty experimental - hence the so-called Abenomics moniker. Personally I think there is some further scope in UK to borrow for infrastructure, because it can be done at such a low rate - giving future generations new transport links or whatever at a bargain price relatively. But that's not full scale Abenomics.
Investing in infrastructure or anything with poor returns is bad for a country because it wastes resources, whether it is a company or a government doing the investing.
The UK should be investing in projects with good returns that will improve productivity and thus increase our wealth.
Given the weak busines case, HS2, for example, must be a dubious use of £50bn of government money. The country's resources should be better utilised.
Seems sensible. I didn't mention HS2, although personally I think it needs to be built for capacity reasons. I'm sure there's plenty of other transport related things people could agree on. The Leeds-manchester rail link is a shocker unless its changed since I last went on it.
It is perfectly reasonable to use QE in a Depression, indeed Keynesian economics 101. It's another way of increasing government debt effectively to increase demand when no one else will. The issue is - we are no longer in a depression situation. Growth is weak, productivity low, balance of payments off the scale, but its not a depression IMHO. I doubt Keynes would be keen on more QE at this stage.
Which is why Corbyn is wrong, Japan has been "investing" for a very long time now with little to show for it. If there is an argument for splurging cash on infrastructure to stimulate the wider economy Corbyn needs to find a better example, if anything what has happened in Japan suggests that we should do elsewise.
As far as I understand it, Japan is trying something pretty experimental - hence the so-called Abenomics moniker. Personally I think there is some further scope in UK to borrow for infrastructure, because it can be done at such a low rate - giving future generations new transport links or whatever at a bargain price relatively. But that's not full scale Abenomics.
Investing in infrastructure or anything with poor returns is bad for a country because it wastes resources, whether it is a company or a government doing the investing. The UK should be investing in projects with good returns that will improve productivity and thus increase our wealth. Given the weak busines case, HS2, for example, must be a dubious use of £50bn of government money. The country's resources should be better utilised.
Moroways run at about £30m a mile in build cost. The productivity benefits couled be very large from just 500 more motorway miles by passing clogged up areas etc at a cost of circa £15 bn.
It is perfectly reasonable to use QE in a Depression, indeed Keynesian economics 101. It's another way of increasing government debt effectively to increase demand when no one else will. The issue is - we are no longer in a depression situation. Growth is weak, productivity low, balance of payments off the scale, but its not a depression IMHO. I doubt Keynes would be keen on more QE at this stage.
Which is why Corbyn is wrong, Japan has been "investing" for a very long time now with little to show for it. If there is an argument for splurging cash on infrastructure to stimulate the wider economy Corbyn needs to find a better example, if anything what has happened in Japan suggests that we should do elsewise.
The list of reasons why Corbyn is wrong is frankly unending. But that is a starter for 10.
It is perfectly reasonable to use QE in a Depression, indeed Keynesian economics 101. It's another way of increasing government debt effectively to increase demand when no one else will. The issue is - we are no longer in a depression situation. Growth is weak, productivity low, balance of payments off the scale, but its not a depression IMHO. I doubt Keynes would be keen on more QE at this stage.
Which is why Corbyn is wrong, Japan has been "investing" for a very long time now with little to show for it. If there is an argument for splurging cash on infrastructure to stimulate the wider economy Corbyn needs to find a better example, if anything what has happened in Japan suggests that we should do elsewise.
The list of reasons why Corbyn is wrong is frankly unending. But that is a starter for 10.
It is perfectly reasonable to use QE in a Depression, indeed Keynesian economics 101. It's another way of increasing government debt effectively to increase demand when no one else will. The issue is - we are no longer in a depression situation. Growth is weak, productivity low, balance of payments off the scale, but its not a depression IMHO. I doubt Keynes would be keen on more QE at this stage.
Which is why Corbyn is wrong, Japan has been "investing" for a very long time now with little to show for it. If there is an argument for splurging cash on infrastructure to stimulate the wider economy Corbyn needs to find a better example, if anything what has happened in Japan suggests that we should do elsewise.
Japan is actually a strong case for economic stimulus: when they've gone for it, it's worked, but then they've always got nervous and reversed course, causing a slump.
But there's a big difference that Japan has been undergoing deflation for years, while we have inflation. So we don't have scope to print money like they do.
Neither of us have inflation at the moment actually.
There is plenty to criticize Corbyn for without having to resort to articles from the (predominantly) Zionist website Harry's Place. It hardly builds up your credibility as a slayer of the illiberal.
Are you suggesting that the image of Jeremy Corbyn's letter on that page is a forgery? If not, what does it matter where the article was published?
If Harry's Place is unacceptable, how about Labour Uncut?
"UNCUT: Corbyn’s silence over child abuse in Islington is typical of how he picks and chooses his causes 31/08/2015, 09:25:29 PM by Richard Scorer
“After that meeting, we never heard another thing. No letter, no phone call, I never, ever saw him speak about it. In fact, whenever I saw Jeremy afterwards, at Stop The War marches and events like that, I’d always go up to him and say: ‘This scandal is still going on, Jeremy.’ He’d be very polite, but he never did anything.”
These are the words of Liz Davies, a former social worker who tried to blow the whistle on the sexual abuse of children in council-run care homes in Islington in the 1980s and 1990s. Davies was talking recently to the Daily Mail about her attempts to persuade her local MP, Jeremy Corbyn, to support victims and whistleblowers -and his silence on a major public scandal."
I gave a link to a newspaper article yesterday which had reported his death in May. I know they made a mistake before it it was doubtful they'd make the same mistake twice.
There is plenty to criticize Corbyn for without having to resort to articles from the (predominantly) Zionist website Harry's Place. It hardly builds up your credibility as a slayer of the illiberal.
It's not my credibility which is the issue. I'm not standing for office. It is Corbyn. Corbyn may have begun or even thought of himself as a defender of liberal values (though I doubt he really understands them, but let's be generous for the moment) but he has evolved into a defender of bigotry, tyranny, superstition, terrorists, racists and mass murder.
His excuses or explanations are pathetic and/or disingenuous and/or untrue. If Labour elect him, Labour will lose all claim to any sort of moral high ground when it comes to racism and bigotry and progressive values.
Good.
Perhaps we can start again with an organisation which really understands what liberal values mean, why they are worth fighting for and who and what threaten them most.
There is plenty to criticize Corbyn for without having to resort to articles from the (predominantly) Zionist website Harry's Place. It hardly builds up your credibility as a slayer of the illiberal.
Are you suggesting that the image of Jeremy Corbyn's letter on that page is a forgery? If not, what does it matter where the article was published?
If Harry's Place is unacceptable, how about Labour Uncut?
"UNCUT: Corbyn’s silence over child abuse in Islington is typical of how he picks and chooses his causes 31/08/2015, 09:25:29 PM by Richard Scorer
“After that meeting, we never heard another thing. No letter, no phone call, I never, ever saw him speak about it. In fact, whenever I saw Jeremy afterwards, at Stop The War marches and events like that, I’d always go up to him and say: ‘This scandal is still going on, Jeremy.’ He’d be very polite, but he never did anything.”
These are the words of Liz Davies, a former social worker who tried to blow the whistle on the sexual abuse of children in council-run care homes in Islington in the 1980s and 1990s. Davies was talking recently to the Daily Mail about her attempts to persuade her local MP, Jeremy Corbyn, to support victims and whistleblowers -and his silence on a major public scandal."
It is perfectly reasonable to use QE in a Depression, indeed Keynesian economics 101. It's another way of increasing government debt effectively to increase demand when no one else will. The issue is - we are no longer in a depression situation. Growth is weak, productivity low, balance of payments off the scale, but its not a depression IMHO. I doubt Keynes would be keen on more QE at this stage.
Which is why Corbyn is wrong, Japan has been "investing" for a very long time now with little to show for it. If there is an argument for splurging cash on infrastructure to stimulate the wider economy Corbyn needs to find a better example, if anything what has happened in Japan suggests that we should do elsewise.
As far as I understand it, Japan is trying something pretty experimental - hence the so-called Abenomics moniker. Personally I think there is some further scope in UK to borrow for infrastructure, because it can be done at such a low rate - giving future generations new transport links or whatever at a bargain price relatively. But that's not full scale Abenomics.
Investing in infrastructure or anything with poor returns is bad for a country because it wastes resources, whether it is a company or a government doing the investing. The UK should be investing in projects with good returns that will improve productivity and thus increase our wealth. Given the weak business case, HS2, for example, must be a dubious use of £50bn of government money. The country's resources should be better utilised.
Mororways run at about £30m a mile in build cost. The productivity benefits could be very large from just 500 more motorway miles by passing clogged up areas etc at a cost of circa £15 bn.
By infrastructure Corbyn really means council houses and coal mines. Not motorways. As may be known I think HS2 would be a good investment.
There is plenty to criticize Corbyn for without having to resort to articles from the (predominantly) Zionist website Harry's Place. It hardly builds up your credibility as a slayer of the illiberal.
Are you suggesting that the image of Jeremy Corbyn's letter on that page is a forgery? If not, what does it matter where the article was published?
If Harry's Place is unacceptable, how about Labour Uncut?
"UNCUT: Corbyn’s silence over child abuse in Islington is typical of how he picks and chooses his causes 31/08/2015, 09:25:29 PM by Richard Scorer
“After that meeting, we never heard another thing. No letter, no phone call, I never, ever saw him speak about it. In fact, whenever I saw Jeremy afterwards, at Stop The War marches and events like that, I’d always go up to him and say: ‘This scandal is still going on, Jeremy.’ He’d be very polite, but he never did anything.”
These are the words of Liz Davies, a former social worker who tried to blow the whistle on the sexual abuse of children in council-run care homes in Islington in the 1980s and 1990s. Davies was talking recently to the Daily Mail about her attempts to persuade her local MP, Jeremy Corbyn, to support victims and whistleblowers -and his silence on a major public scandal."
The comments are worth reading. Some Corbyn supporters apparently condone child abuse.
Ignore the rubbish Roger says about Harry's Place. It's a classic case of shooting or discrediting the messenger because they have nothing to say about the message. There is plenty of evidence from all sorts of reputable, verifiable and verified sources that Corbyn has exhibited over a prolonged period the most awful political and moral judgment in his decisions as to whom he supports, associates with, invites and promotes and the causes he espouses.
His supporters have no answers to that other than to smear those who point out the facts. Or to pretend that the facts are not facts. But as one G Adams said: "They won't go away, you know."
It is perfectly reasonable to use QE in a Depression, indeed Keynesian economics 101. It's another way of increasing government debt effectively to increase demand when no one else will. The issue is - we are no longer in a depression situation. Growth is weak, productivity low, balance of payments off the scale, but its not a depression IMHO. I doubt Keynes would be keen on more QE at this stage.
Which is why Corbyn is wrong, Japan has been "investing" for a very long time now with little to show for it. If there is an argument for splurging cash on infrastructure to stimulate the wider economy Corbyn needs to find a better example, if anything what has happened in Japan suggests that we should do elsewise.
As far as I understand it, Japan is trying something pretty experimental - hence the so-called Abenomics moniker. Personally I think there is some further scope in UK to borrow for infrastructure, because it can be done at such a low rate - giving future generations new transport links or whatever at a bargain price relatively. But that's not full scale Abenomics.
Investing in infrastructure or anything with poor returns is bad for a country because it wastes resources, whether it is a company or a government doing the investing. The UK should be investing in projects with good returns that will improve productivity and thus increase our wealth. Given the weak busines case, HS2, for example, must be a dubious use of £50bn of government money. The country's resources should be better utilised.
Moroways run at about £30m a mile in build cost. The productivity benefits couled be very large from just 500 more motorway miles by passing clogged up areas etc at a cost of circa £15 bn.
"Moroways run at about £30m a mile in build cost."
Are you sure about this figure? The new A14 bypass is planned to cost £1.5 billion for 22 miles - a little over £68 million per mile. Admittedly, this is more complex, as only 12.5 miles is new road, and the rest upgrades.
Mr. kle4, but it's by going against the herd the most impressive victories are had!
Who can forget* the heroic 70/1 tip on Button to win the 2009 Drivers' title?
Not long till Monza. Just perused the market lazily (had something in mind). Astounded how tight Maldonado is for points (1.72). Also Not To Be Classified at 2.25.
*None of you, because I shall keep reminding the site about it.
It is perfectly reasonable to use QE in a Depression, indeed Keynesian economics 101. It's another way of increasing government debt effectively to increase demand when no one else will. The issue is - we are no longer in a depression situation. Growth is weak, productivity low, balance of payments off the scale, but its not a depression IMHO. I doubt Keynes would be keen on more QE at this stage.
Which is why Corbyn is wrong, Japan has been "investing" for a very long time now with little to show for it. If there is an argument for splurging cash on infrastructure to stimulate the wider economy Corbyn needs to find a better example, if anything what has happened in Japan suggests that we should do elsewise.
Japan is actually a strong case for economic stimulus: when they've gone for it, it's worked, but then they've always got nervous and reversed course, causing a slump.
But there's a big difference that Japan has been undergoing deflation for years, while we have inflation. So we don't have scope to print money like they do.
Neither of us have inflation at the moment actually.
We have core inflation in the UK. It's just being hidden by commodity price falls.
There is plenty to criticize Corbyn for without having to resort to articles from the (predominantly) Zionist website Harry's Place. It hardly builds up your credibility as a slayer of the illiberal.
Are you suggesting that the image of Jeremy Corbyn's letter on that page is a forgery? If not, what does it matter where the article was published?
If Harry's Place is unacceptable, how about Labour Uncut?
"UNCUT: Corbyn’s silence over child abuse in Islington is typical of how he picks and chooses his causes 31/08/2015, 09:25:29 PM by Richard Scorer
“After that meeting, we never heard another thing. No letter, no phone call, I never, ever saw him speak about it. In fact, whenever I saw Jeremy afterwards, at Stop The War marches and events like that, I’d always go up to him and say: ‘This scandal is still going on, Jeremy.’ He’d be very polite, but he never did anything.”
These are the words of Liz Davies, a former social worker who tried to blow the whistle on the sexual abuse of children in council-run care homes in Islington in the 1980s and 1990s. Davies was talking recently to the Daily Mail about her attempts to persuade her local MP, Jeremy Corbyn, to support victims and whistleblowers -and his silence on a major public scandal."
The comments are worth reading. Some Corbyn supporters apparently condone child abuse.
" Corbyn’s silence over child abuse .....”
True.
But you could put the name of almost any MP over the last thirty years in that phrase and it would still remain true.
For various reasons, child abuse is not a subject any of the political parties cared to raise until very recently.
(And Hodge would appear to have far more direct culpability in the case of Islington).
True. But Corbyn claims to be different. This was his constituency. He was told. He chose to do nothing. He claims to be on the side of the oppressed. Who is more oppressed than parentless children abused by those who should care for them? Ann Cryer MP was told and - courageously - spoke out. He did not. Let's not have this man of principle fighting for the underdog bollocks anymore. It's nauseating bullsh*t.
I gave a link to a newspaper article yesterday which had reported his death in May. I know they made a mistake before it it was doubtful they'd make the same mistake twice.
To be fair to the other three Labour candidates, it is easier to set the agenda in a leadership contest when you don't worry about whether any of your policies are affordable or workable. It would be like a Conservative leadership contest where one candidate suggests improving education results by caning any student that gets answers to questions wrong. That candidate would certainly by the one hitting the news and setting the agenda. The difference is that Conservative voters aren't mad enough to vote for that candidate.
True. But Corbyn claims to be different. This was his constituency. He was told. He chose to do nothing. He claims to be on the side of the oppressed. Who is more oppressed than parentless children abused by those who should care for them? Ann Cryer MP was told and - courageously - spoke out. He did not. Let's not have this man of principle fighting for the underdog bollocks anymore. It's nauseating bullsh*t.
That LabourUncut article nails it, I think:
However, I suspect the main reason why he didn’t speak up is ideological – from Corbyn’s point of view, victims of child abuse [in Islington] were the wrong sort of victims. Children weren’t abused in Islington because of Israel, or US imperialism, or Tory cuts. They were abused because of the gross incompetence and probably malice of a hard left council
It is perfectly reasonable to use QE in a Depression, indeed Keynesian economics 101. It's another way of increasing government debt effectively to increase demand when no one else will. The issue is - we are no longer in a depression situation. Growth is weak, productivity low, balance of payments off the scale, but its not a depression IMHO. I doubt Keynes would be keen on more QE at this stage.
Which is why Corbyn is wrong, Japan has been "investing" for a very long time now with little to show for it. If there is an argument for splurging cash on infrastructure to stimulate the wider economy Corbyn needs to find a better example, if anything what has happened in Japan suggests that we should do elsewise.
As far as I understand it, Japan is trying something pretty experimental - hence the so-called Abenomics moniker. Personally I think there is some further scope in UK to borrow for infrastructure, because it can be done at such a low rate - giving future generations new transport links or whatever at a bargain price relatively. But that's not full scale Abenomics.
Investing in infrastructure or anything with poor returns is bad for a country because it wastes resources, whether it is a company or a government doing the investing. The UK should be investing in projects with good returns that will improve productivity and thus increase our wealth. Given the weak busines case, HS2, for example, must be a dubious use of £50bn of government money. The country's resources should be better utilised.
Motorways run at about £30m a mile in build cost. The productivity benefits couled be very large from just 500 more motorway miles by passing clogged up areas etc at a cost of circa £15 bn.
"Motorways run at about £30m a mile in build cost." Are you sure about this figure? The new A14 bypass is planned to cost £1.5 billion for 22 miles - a little over £68 million per mile. Admittedly, this is more complex, as only 12.5 miles is new road, and the rest upgrades.
There is plenty to criticize Corbyn for without having to resort to articles from the (predominantly) Zionist website Harry's Place. It hardly builds up your credibility as a slayer of the illiberal.
Are you suggesting that the image of Jeremy Corbyn's letter on that page is a forgery? If not, what does it matter where the article was published?
If Harry's Place is unacceptable, how about Labour Uncut?
"UNCUT: Corbyn’s silence over child abuse in Islington is typical of how he picks and chooses his causes 31/08/2015, 09:25:29 PM by Richard Scorer
“After that meeting, we never heard another thing. No letter, no phone call, I never, ever saw him speak about it. In fact, whenever I saw Jeremy afterwards, at Stop The War marches and events like that, I’d always go up to him and say: ‘This scandal is still going on, Jeremy.’ He’d be very polite, but he never did anything.”
These are the words of Liz Davies, a former social worker who tried to blow the whistle on the sexual abuse of children in council-run care homes in Islington in the 1980s and 1990s. Davies was talking recently to the Daily Mail about her attempts to persuade her local MP, Jeremy Corbyn, to support victims and whistleblowers -and his silence on a major public scandal."
The comments are worth reading. Some Corbyn supporters apparently condone child abuse.
" Corbyn’s silence over child abuse .....”
True.
But you could put the name of almost any MP over the last thirty years in that phrase and it would still remain true.
For various reasons, child abuse is not a subject any of the political parties cared to raise until very recently.
(And Hodge would appear to have far more direct culpability in the case of Islington).
True. But Corbyn claims to be different. This was his constituency. He was told. He chose to do nothing. He claims to be on the side of the oppressed. Who is more oppressed than parentless children abused by those who should care for them? Ann Cryer MP was told and - courageously - spoke out. He did not. Let's not have this man of principle fighting for the underdog bollocks anymore. It's nauseating bullsh*t.
Stop beating about the bush, Cyclefree! Tell us what you really think
Is there any way that we can inform those hundreds of thousands of refugees and would be immigrants that according to some PBers and most lefty Politicians , that the country is a total busted flush... Collapsing NHS.., overcrowded and run down schools..high prices..low wages high taxes..and reducing benefits..It might just deter a few thousand of them..
It is perfectly reasonable to use QE in a Depression, indeed Keynesian economics 101. It's another way of increasing government debt effectively to increase demand when no one else will. The issue is - we are no longer in a depression situation. Growth is weak, productivity low, balance of payments off the scale, but its not a depression IMHO. I doubt Keynes would be keen on more QE at this stage.
Which is why Corbyn is wrong, Japan has been "investing" for a very long time now with little to show for it. If there is an argument for splurging cash on infrastructure to stimulate the wider economy Corbyn needs to find a better example, if anything what has happened in Japan suggests that we should do elsewise.
As far as I understand it, Japan is trying something pretty experimental - hence the so-called Abenomics moniker. Personally I think there is some further scope in UK to borrow for infrastructure, because it can be done at such a low rate - giving future generations new transport links or whatever at a bargain price relatively. But that's not full scale Abenomics.
Investing in infrastructure or anything with poor returns is bad for a country because it wastes resources, whether it is a company or a government doing the investing. The UK should be investing in projects with good returns that will improve productivity and thus increase our wealth. Given the weak busines case, HS2, for example, must be a dubious use of £50bn of government money. The country's resources should be better utilised.
Motorways run at about £30m a mile in build cost. The productivity benefits couled be very large from just 500 more motorway miles by passing clogged up areas etc at a cost of circa £15 bn.
"Motorways run at about £30m a mile in build cost." Are you sure about this figure? The new A14 bypass is planned to cost £1.5 billion for 22 miles - a little over £68 million per mile. Admittedly, this is more complex, as only 12.5 miles is new road, and the rest upgrades.
The berk who thought running the M3 and M4 into the M25 without widening it should be shot at dawn. It should have been 6 lanes all the way round to start off with. Anyone could see what was going to happen except the planners. The only way to save the M25 now is to toll it at peak times to keep junction hoppers off it.
I gave a link to a newspaper article yesterday which had reported his death in May. I know they made a mistake before it it was doubtful they'd make the same mistake twice.
Someone should ask Bob Wareing for confirmation.
Hang on... Twigg apologised and took back hie original condolences... and now confirms he's dead?
I gave a link to a newspaper article yesterday which had reported his death in May. I know they made a mistake before it it was doubtful they'd make the same mistake twice.
Someone should ask Bob Wareing for confirmation.
Hang on... Twigg apologised and took back hie original condolences... and now confirms he's dead?
Is there any way that we can inform those hundreds of thousands of refugees and would be immigrants that according to some PBers and most lefty Politicians , that the country is a total busted flush... Collapsing NHS.., overcrowded and run down schools..high prices..low wages high taxes..and reducing benefits..It might just deter a few thousand of them..
Maybe Andy Burnham could be deployed once the Labour party has decided they have no further use for him. A couple of speeches from him and would be immigrants would be having second thoughts!
True. But Corbyn claims to be different. This was his constituency. He was told. He chose to do nothing. He claims to be on the side of the oppressed. Who is more oppressed than parentless children abused by those who should care for them? Ann Cryer MP was told and - courageously - spoke out. He did not. Let's not have this man of principle fighting for the underdog bollocks anymore. It's nauseating bullsh*t.
That LabourUncut article nails it, I think:
However, I suspect the main reason why he didn’t speak up is ideological – from Corbyn’s point of view, victims of child abuse [in Islington] were the wrong sort of victims. Children weren’t abused in Islington because of Israel, or US imperialism, or Tory cuts. They were abused because of the gross incompetence and probably malice of a hard left council
You only need look at the "loony Left" video that I have posted on here dozens of times to see what Haringey council was like in the 80s.. Corbyn is kind of the embodiment of that right on lefty indoctrination as far as I have seen
Is there any way that we can inform those hundreds of thousands of refugees and would be immigrants that according to some PBers and most lefty Politicians , that the country is a total busted flush... Collapsing NHS.., overcrowded and run down schools..high prices..low wages high taxes..and reducing benefits..It might just deter a few thousand of them..
Corbyn next PM... ah... yes sorry about that one. Of course the very prospect of a vague possibility of a spendaholic print money anti jew, muslim friendly PM will be a great comfort to the wider population - in Aleppo.
True. But Corbyn claims to be different. This was his constituency. He was told. He chose to do nothing. He claims to be on the side of the oppressed. Who is more oppressed than parentless children abused by those who should care for them? Ann Cryer MP was told and - courageously - spoke out. He did not. Let's not have this man of principle fighting for the underdog bollocks anymore. It's nauseating bullsh*t.
I think your posts have gone way beyond what is reasonable on Corbyn (& I am not particularly a supporter of his).
Corbyn is no more or no less culpable on child abuse than many (probably almost all) other MPs, many councillors, almost everyone who belongs to political parties, almost everyone at the BBC, almost everyone at boarding schools or at Chethams’ Music school or the Royal Northern College of Music, and so on.
Many at the BBC will have heard rumours about the Man Who Cannot Be Mentioned on this Blog. Almost all members of political parties will have heard rumours about misdeeds by senior MPs in their parties (many of which have turned out most likely to be true). Many could have called for investigations but did not.
Fair enough to criticise Corbyn, but now let’s hear you criticism of all these other Goddam organisations as well.
If every who bears some guilt for what has happened over child abuse is forced to resign, we’d be looking for 650 new MPs, many thousands of new councillors, entirely new political parties, a new broadcasting corporation and tens of thousands of staff at all the boarding, music and performance schools where child abuse has occurred.
It would be an interesting legal case. Would a previous lifetime annuity have stopped paying if it could be shown definitively that Lazarus was dead before being miraculously raised from the dead?
It would be a holy alliance between the insurance company and those wishing to believe in the miracle.
I still think that if the Labour leadership election were a two candidate race Corbyn would be narrowly defeated but with more than two candidates he's probably going to win. Of course that's counterintuitive given it's a transfer election. The explanation is non-transferable votes.
There is plenty to criticize Corbyn for without having to resort to articles from the (predominantly) Zionist website Harry's Place. It hardly builds up your credibility as a slayer of the illiberal.
Are you suggesting that the image of Jeremy Corbyn's letter on that page is a forgery? If not, what does it matter where the article was published?
If Harry's Place is unacceptable, how about Labour Uncut?
"UNCUT: Corbyn’s silence over child abuse in Islington is typical of how he picks and chooses his causes 31/08/2015, 09:25:29 PM by Richard Scorer
“After that meeting, we never heard another thing. No letter, no phone call, I never, ever saw him speak about it. In fact, whenever I saw Jeremy afterwards, at Stop The War marches and events like that, I’d always go up to him and say: ‘This scandal is still going on, Jeremy.’ He’d be very polite, but he never did anything.”
These are the words of Liz Davies, a former social worker who tried to blow the whistle on the sexual abuse of children in council-run care homes in Islington in the 1980s and 1990s. Davies was talking recently to the Daily Mail about her attempts to persuade her local MP, Jeremy Corbyn, to support victims and whistleblowers -and his silence on a major public scandal."
It would be an interesting legal case. Would a previous lifetime annuity have stopped paying if it could be shown definitively that Lazarus was dead before being miraculously raised from the dead?
It would be a holy alliance between the insurance company and those wishing to believe in the miracle.
I have done some truly bizarre cases in my time but that would be a new one!
I gave a link to a newspaper article yesterday which had reported his death in May. I know they made a mistake before it it was doubtful they'd make the same mistake twice.
Someone should ask Bob Wareing for confirmation.
Hang on... Twigg apologised and took back hie original condolences... and now confirms he's dead?
It would be an interesting legal case. Would a previous lifetime annuity have stopped paying if it could be shown definitively that Lazarus was dead before being miraculously raised from the dead?
It would be a holy alliance between the insurance company and those wishing to believe in the miracle.
I have done some truly bizarre cases in my time but that would be a new one!
I would hope so. I appreciate that many Scots have messianic faith in their leaders but I have yet to hear claims that Nicola Sturgeon's miraculous powers extend to performing resurrections.
True. But Corbyn claims to be different. This was his constituency. He was told. He chose to do nothing. He claims to be on the side of the oppressed. Who is more oppressed than parentless children abused by those who should care for them? Ann Cryer MP was told and - courageously - spoke out. He did not. Let's not have this man of principle fighting for the underdog bollocks anymore. It's nauseating bullsh*t.
That LabourUncut article nails it, I think:
However, I suspect the main reason why he didn’t speak up is ideological – from Corbyn’s point of view, victims of child abuse [in Islington] were the wrong sort of victims. Children weren’t abused in Islington because of Israel, or US imperialism, or Tory cuts. They were abused because of the gross incompetence and probably malice of a hard left council
Pretty much spot on. And as I pointed out earlier a leading member of Corbyn's campaign team - a close associate - is Cat Fletcher ''now Deputy Mayor on Islington council ''
It all goes back to 1992 and as many will know better than me Margaret Hodge ignored it as well http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3181783/Did-Jeremy-Corbyn-try-protect-fellow-Left-wingers-implicated-paedophile-scandal.html If the Mail story is true as printed (and I am no fan of the Mail) then it reflects pretty poorly on Corbyn and his saintly image and lefty efforts to ignore it by smearing everybody else is pretty crap as well. Laughably of course Corby wants to apologize for the Iraq war but can say nothing about what was happening under his own nose.
There is a migration plan I would be happy to support: the West supports and arranges for an evacuation of almost the entire population of Syria to numerous western countries, spends 5-10 years training them in the latest warfare techniques, and then returns them to Syria in order to defeat both Assad and ISIS.
It would be an interesting legal case. Would a previous lifetime annuity have stopped paying if it could be shown definitively that Lazarus was dead before being miraculously raised from the dead?
It would be a holy alliance between the insurance company and those wishing to believe in the miracle.
Its sometimes said that those who are "brought back to life" from a stopped heart by technology were "technically dead for x minutes". That could be media misreporting and not medically/legally accurate but I don't think actuaries have ever stopped payments because of that.
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http://www.docstoc.com/docs/166895877/Did-the-Israelis-bomb-their-own-London-embassy-in-1994
It was Corbyn Vs Cooper, I felt. Beard Vs Hand Gestures.
He has however been considerably helped by the opposition.
Burnham, Cooper and Kendall have been so bad, it is really difficult to say which of the three has run the worst campaign.
Probably, I’d put Burnham and Kendall as equal last. For a long time, I thought Cooper was not even interested in winning, but her campaign has began to show some dim signs of life.
Citizen, report for re-education immediately.
''Jeremy Corbyn's campaign director, Simon Fletcher, made his name working for “Red” Ken Livingstone for 12 years, including eight years as his chief of staff when he was Mayor of London.... began his career working for Tony Benn and is believed to have been a member of Socialist Action, the secretive Trotskyite group.... now overseeing Corbyn’s leadership bid, working out of the TSSA Union offices in London''
''A former President of the National Union of Students, Kat Fletcher was regarded as radically left-wing even by the NUS’s standards....she is now Deputy Mayor on Islington council ''
''Jon Trickett, MP for Hemsworth in Yorkshire since a 1996 by-election, was an early backer of Jeremy Corbyn, urging fellow MPs to nominate him in the “spirit of democracy”, and is now a key adviser to Team Corbyn... Trickett has denied that the party lost the 2015 election because it was too left-wing. He has argued that Miliband’s policies were not vote-losers and suggested that the “accents” and “dress” of prominent Labour MPs were to blame for the defeat''
''The third Fletcher in Team Corbyn - none of whom are related - Harry Fletcher was assistant general secretary of NAPO, the probation officers’ union, for more than two decades until 2013. He is now volunteering for the Corbyn campaign, helping him deal with the media and strategy''
''Len McCluskey is the general secretary of Unite, Britain’s biggest trade union and Labour’s biggest donor – handing about £19 million to the party over the last Parliament... The decision earlier this month by Unite’s executive committee to instead support Jeremy Corbyn sent shockwaves through the Labour party''
(as per the Telegraph)
Jeremy Corbyn ran a campaign in every sense of the word – the other 3 just sat on their thumbs spouting platitudes, hoping a leadership win would just fall in their laps.
And so such people began to think that maybe Hitler had a point and so it was that when France fell in 1940 the Socialists split and some of them voted for Petain and joined the pro-Nazi Vichy government.
Do read. He describes very well the naive belief in a rational liberalism which ignores liberalism as the advocacy of freedom but liberalism as denial, as a refusal to believe that millions of people can sign up for a political movement consisting of paranoid conspiracy theories, blood curdling hatreds, medieval superstitions and the lure of murder. It explains Corbyn. It explains those who vote for him because he is trying to "engage" very well. It explains why a left which likes to parade its anti-facist/racist credentials is in bed with fascists and racists and anti-Semites and why no amount of bleating about his mummy being at Cable Street can get Corbyn and the left out of the hole they've dug themselves into.
And as the NS says -- ''Carmel Nolan -- Corbyn’s press chief is a former radio journalist and veteran campaigner from Liverpool – and, like him, was a leading architect of the Stop the War coalition. She has described the Corbyn team as “a coalition of the willing and the available” and “like Stop the War with bells on”.''
I think really the whole leadership campaign is a take-over of the Labour Party by the Stop the War Coalition, paid for by UNITE.
The fact that labour people like Mr Palmer can be so sanguine about this is quite revealing.
BTW Simon Fletcher took Livingstone ''to victory as an independent, masterminding a “Stand down, Frank” campaign against Frank Dobson''.
Again I repeat this is not an amateur campaign run by a doddery pensioner - its a professional take over with a willing front man. He and they have the big advantage of being able to print their own electorate as well.
Continue with your 9.5 appointed hours of daily labour.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:CgPmK1hC5Y4J:www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/shayler-was-right-over-bomb-at-israeli-embassy-634154.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/11836843/Julian-Assange-Fancy-dress-plan-to-escape-embassy.html
3 years? - Just chuck the squatter over the balcony and be done with it.
It literally has nothing to say. It is devoid of interest, ideas, intelligence and creativity. It is just a mouthing of vacuous & incoherent platitudes. For example,
"Winning power in order to give it away has been a central theme of my leadership campaign and if I’m elected as Leader on September 12th this will be the principle that drives the relationship between our Party and our members. If we can enable individuals and communities to find their own power we will once again find our relevance to the electorate. “
What does that mean, in practical terms? It would not be out of place in some whack-job religious cult -- find the power and we can be and we can do.
Perhaps AB has fallen the furthest, but LK has been the most disappointing and vacuous.
She's less electable than Jeremy, less charismatic than Yvette, less intelligent than Andy
Burnham %
21.56
Cooper %
15.25
Corbyn %
52.14
Kendall %
7.45
Cooper had the biggest campaign team, most donations and most of the Labour staff working for her, so all of the losing candidates have a reason to be very disappointed. The way the party hasn't rallied around Burnham, despite him seeming to be the best to stop Corbyn would suggest she might have had a good chance of winning (on second preferences) if Corbyn hadn't got in.
"Time for some more news on Corbyn - http://hurryupharry.org/2015/09/01/jeremy-corbyn-lobbied-for-a-convicted-terrorist-as-governor-for-lmu/."
There is plenty to criticize Corbyn for without having to resort to articles from the (predominantly) Zionist website Harry's Place. It hardly builds up your credibility as a slayer of the illiberal.
Simon Fletcher: chief of staff for the former Mayor of London
Kat Fletcher: deputy mayor of Islington Council and former leader of the NUS
Harry Fletcher: Former deputy of probation officers union.
Carmel Nolan: Head of the Stop the War coalition
Now, forgive me, but aside from Simon Fletcher, that doesn't seem like a particularly formidable lineup. Indeed, if Corbyn wasn't winning then members here would probably mock those involved at being irrelevant and out-of-touch.
It does, however, look like Simon Fletcher is good at running election campaigns.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Wareing
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/stephen-twigg-apologises-after-mistakenly-7693284
EDIT: ah, that's from last year!
But there's a big difference that Japan has been undergoing deflation for years, while we have inflation. So we don't have scope to print money like they do.
The UK should be investing in projects with good returns that will improve productivity and thus increase our wealth.
Given the weak busines case, HS2, for example, must be a dubious use of £50bn of government money. The country's resources should be better utilised.
"UNCUT: Corbyn’s silence over child abuse in Islington is typical of how he picks and chooses his causes
31/08/2015, 09:25:29 PM
by Richard Scorer
“After that meeting, we never heard another thing. No letter, no phone call, I never, ever saw him speak about it. In fact, whenever I saw Jeremy afterwards, at Stop The War marches and events like that, I’d always go up to him and say: ‘This scandal is still going on, Jeremy.’ He’d be very polite, but he never did anything.”
These are the words of Liz Davies, a former social worker who tried to blow the whistle on the sexual abuse of children in council-run care homes in Islington in the 1980s and 1990s. Davies was talking recently to the Daily Mail about her attempts to persuade her local MP, Jeremy Corbyn, to support victims and whistleblowers -and his silence on a major public scandal."
http://labour-uncut.co.uk/
The comments are worth reading. Some Corbyn supporters apparently condone child abuse.
It's not my credibility which is the issue. I'm not standing for office. It is Corbyn. Corbyn may have begun or even thought of himself as a defender of liberal values (though I doubt he really understands them, but let's be generous for the moment) but he has evolved into a defender of bigotry, tyranny, superstition, terrorists, racists and mass murder.
His excuses or explanations are pathetic and/or disingenuous and/or untrue. If Labour elect him, Labour will lose all claim to any sort of moral high ground when it comes to racism and bigotry and progressive values.
Good.
Perhaps we can start again with an organisation which really understands what liberal values mean, why they are worth fighting for and who and what threaten them most.
No Wanyama, no Berahino.
Bale's return has surprisingly been kept quiet too.
True.
But you could put the name of almost any MP over the last thirty years in that phrase and it would still remain true.
For various reasons, child abuse is not a subject any of the political parties cared to raise until very recently.
(And Hodge would appear to have far more direct culpability in the case of Islington).
As may be known I think HS2 would be a good investment.
His supporters have no answers to that other than to smear those who point out the facts. Or to pretend that the facts are not facts. But as one G Adams said: "They won't go away, you know."
Are you sure about this figure? The new A14 bypass is planned to cost £1.5 billion for 22 miles - a little over £68 million per mile. Admittedly, this is more complex, as only 12.5 miles is new road, and the rest upgrades.
http://www.highways.gov.uk/roads/road-projects/a14-cambridge-to-huntingdon-improvement-scheme/
Likewise, the M74 in Glasgow apparently cost £138 million per mile.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-13924687
The M1 widening also cost over £21 million per mile
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-1392468
Who can forget* the heroic 70/1 tip on Button to win the 2009 Drivers' title?
Not long till Monza. Just perused the market lazily (had something in mind). Astounded how tight Maldonado is for points (1.72). Also Not To Be Classified at 2.25.
*None of you, because I shall keep reminding the site about it.
Actually no it is not in Hungary. LOL
However, I suspect the main reason why he didn’t speak up is ideological – from Corbyn’s point of view, victims of child abuse [in Islington] were the wrong sort of victims. Children weren’t abused in Islington because of Israel, or US imperialism, or Tory cuts. They were abused because of the gross incompetence and probably malice of a hard left council
A mile of new motorway costs on average £30m, according to the Highways Agency.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Statue_(Budapest)
http://www.budapest.com/w/assignables/galleries/38/liberty_statues_01.jpg
This has got more twists than Alton Towers.
We never get to hear that bit of the story.
Corbyn is no more or no less culpable on child abuse than many (probably almost all) other MPs, many councillors, almost everyone who belongs to political parties, almost everyone at the BBC, almost everyone at boarding schools or at Chethams’ Music school or the Royal Northern College of Music, and so on.
Many at the BBC will have heard rumours about the Man Who Cannot Be Mentioned on this Blog. Almost all members of political parties will have heard rumours about misdeeds by senior MPs in their parties (many of which have turned out most likely to be true). Many could have called for investigations but did not.
Fair enough to criticise Corbyn, but now let’s hear you criticism of all these other Goddam organisations as well.
If every who bears some guilt for what has happened over child abuse is forced to resign, we’d be looking for 650 new MPs, many thousands of new councillors, entirely new political parties, a new broadcasting corporation and tens of thousands of staff at all the boarding, music and performance schools where child abuse has occurred.
And a new LotO.
It would be a holy alliance between the insurance company and those wishing to believe in the miracle.
It all goes back to 1992 and as many will know better than me Margaret Hodge ignored it as well
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3181783/Did-Jeremy-Corbyn-try-protect-fellow-Left-wingers-implicated-paedophile-scandal.html
If the Mail story is true as printed (and I am no fan of the Mail) then it reflects pretty poorly on Corbyn and his saintly image and lefty efforts to ignore it by smearing everybody else is pretty crap as well.
Laughably of course Corby wants to apologize for the Iraq war but can say nothing about what was happening under his own nose.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/11836310/EU-migration-crisis-live.html
EU faces migrant crisis of 'biblical proportions' as Germany registers 3,500 new refugees in just one day