All the other parties are allowing them. What the hell is wrong with the Tory leadership? I thought we were supposed to be having an open and fair debate? But now they feel Tory activists can't be allowed to hear the Brexit arguments, in case they form the wrong conclusion?
I perfectly understand the compassionate desire to accept Assylum seekers into the UK. It's something that we have always done, are doing now, and I hope always will do.
A question for Yvette Cooper, though: Where does this wonderfully round number of 10,000 per month come from? How did you work it out Ms Cooper?
Her Spads were playing darts, and plucked the number out of the air.
That would take an awfully long time. Don't they have better things to do?
All the other parties are allowing them. What the hell is wrong with the Tory leadership? I thought we were supposed to be having an open and fair debate? But now they feel Tory activists can't be allowed to hear the Brexit arguments, in case they form the wrong conclusion?
Mr. W, individual countries within Shengen are adopting wildly different approaches. What happens when the German-bound hordes are given leave to stay, and then go to the Netherlands, which is less welcoming?
Does every Council in the UK really have ten spare habitable houses ,at least 20 new schoolplaces, enough Doctors,Translators etc.I thought the country was hanging in rags with not enough schools, doctors, thousands of homeless, thousands of food banks..at least that is what Yvette and her buddies have been screaming for the last five years.
Mr. W, individual countries within Shengen are adopting wildly different approaches. What happens when the German-bound hordes are given leave to stay, and then go to the Netherlands, which is less welcoming?
Plato has misread Cooper, I think - she has said we could take in 10,000 refugees in a month to address the immediate crisis, not that we should do so every month forever. Again it's not a solution because there aren't any solutions, but it's a small contribution and would be better than merely muttering in our beards: "That won't work...no that won't work...no, that's no good..."
10,000 largely aggressive young men a month - a sure fire recipe for disaster as we import the ME's problems to northern Europe. Just wait until the various long held animosities and conflicts boil over here.
"10,000 largely aggressive young men a month..."
No wonder some people are so keen to let them all in
A quick bootcamp and a bit of weapons training and we have a Foreign Legion to take on ISIS; Cannon fodder, ISIS gone and a place to settle refugees sorted - problem solved
So after 12 months of a cooper government,this country would have taken a extra one hundred and twenty thousand Syrian refugees,does she say if rest of the world asylum cases will be affected in numbers.
All the other parties are allowing them. What the hell is wrong with the Tory leadership? I thought we were supposed to be having an open and fair debate? But now they feel Tory activists can't be allowed to hear the Brexit arguments, in case they form the wrong conclusion?
Hell would freeze over before the Tories let Aaron Banks anywhere near their conference after his antics last year.
Most Tories would tell him to f*ck right off, so they are doing him a favour.
Nicola Sturgeon set out the Scottish government's legislation for the coming year as well as its main goals for the future.
New measures include a national system of standardised assessment in P1, P4, P7 and S3.
Ms Sturgeon said this would bring consistency to the assessment of literacy and numeracy.
The legislative programme will see eight new bills introduced. They are:
Abusive Behaviour and Sexual Harm Bill Bankruptcy Consolidation Bill Budget Bill Burial and Cremation Bill Lobbying Bill Private Tenancies Bill Scottish Elections (dates) Bill Scottish Fiscal Commission Bill
Plato has misread Cooper, I think - she has said we could take in 10,000 refugees in a month to address the immediate crisis, not that we should do so every month forever. Again it's not a solution because there aren't any solutions, but it's a small contribution and would be better than merely muttering in our beards: "That won't work...no that won't work...no, that's no good..."
I think muttering in beards is much better than saying something bloody stupid. You could pass that advice on to JC
Plato has misread Cooper, I think - she has said we could take in 10,000 refugees in a month to address the immediate crisis, not that we should do so every month forever. Again it's not a solution because there aren't any solutions, but it's a small contribution and would be better than merely muttering in our beards: "That won't work...no that won't work...no, that's no good..."
10,000 largely aggressive young men a month - a sure fire recipe for disaster as we import the ME's problems to northern Europe. Just wait until the various long held animosities and conflicts boil over here.
"10,000 largely aggressive young men a month..."
No wonder some people are so keen to let them all in
A quick bootcamp and a bit of weapons training and we have a Foreign Legion to take on ISIS; Cannon fodder, ISIS gone and a place to settle refugees sorted - problem solved
Isn't that the Roman solution? You had to fight for the Roman Empire against the barbarians and earn your citizenship. If it helps protect the remnants of that glorious empire so much the better, though the temple at Palmyra has been confirmed as destroyed, sadly.
Mr. Eagles, what did he do? Did he start an "I love Mark Reckless" fan club?
Yes, he was the much hyped Tory 'defector' on the day of Dave's conference speech last year, that so nearly destabilised the Tory conference and nearly made Ed Miliband Prime Minister.
Plato has misread Cooper, I think - she has said we could take in 10,000 refugees in a month to address the immediate crisis, not that we should do so every month forever. Again it's not a solution because there aren't any solutions, but it's a small contribution and would be better than merely muttering in our beards: "That won't work...no that won't work...no, that's no good..."
10,000 largely aggressive young men a month - a sure fire recipe for disaster as we import the ME's problems to northern Europe. Just wait until the various long held animosities and conflicts boil over here.
"10,000 largely aggressive young men a month..."
No wonder some people are so keen to let them all in
A quick bootcamp and a bit of weapons training and we have a Foreign Legion to take on ISIS; Cannon fodder, ISIS gone and a place to settle refugees sorted - problem solved
Isn't that the Roman solution? You had to fight for the Roman Empire against the barbarians and earn your citizenship. If it helps protect the remnants of that glorious empire so much the better, though the temple at Palmyra has been confirmed as destroyed, sadly.
Well Europe has a number of offshore places which could be used: St Helena, the Falklands, South Georgia, Reunion etc.
OK, fine (although it's a very different suggestion from the original proposal of camps in countries nearer the source of the migration).
But my question still remains: what then happens to the 90% (or whatever the number ends up as) who are refused entry?
We have occasional pb hysteria days. Today is one of those days. If you were to believe pb's paleo-conservatives, kippers and fellow travellers, you'd think that the barbarians were at the gate.
Meanwhile, to put things into context, here's a nice chart via Faisal Islam showing who goes where:
We're in tertiary stage hysteria, where facts are dismissed out of hand and nonsense is treated as gospel. I'm not expecting reasoned argument to get through the hyperventilation.
Better to panic on the prospect than after the event? Isn't that what's happening with JC and I didn't notice you standing off.
Well Europe has a number of offshore places which could be used: St Helena, the Falklands, South Georgia, Reunion etc.
OK, fine (although it's a very different suggestion from the original proposal of camps in countries nearer the source of the migration).
But my question still remains: what then happens to the 90% (or whatever the number ends up as) who are refused entry?
We have occasional pb hysteria days. Today is one of those days. If you were to believe pb's paleo-conservatives, kippers and fellow travellers, you'd think that the barbarians were at the gate.
Meanwhile, to put things into context, here's a nice chart via Faisal Islam showing who goes where:
We're in tertiary stage hysteria, where facts are dismissed out of hand and nonsense is treated as gospel. I'm not expecting reasoned argument to get through the hyperventilation.
Would you mind pointing out the 'hysteria' comments? I only see measured disagreements with you, but perhaps I am missing something.
For what it's worth, I did not see your arguments about addressing the problems in the locality, but I agree that has to be the sensible approach.
Perusing the summary of the competition, mine are pretty close to the average. The largest difference is that I have Cooper ahead of Burnham. It'll be interesting to see who finishes ahead (as well as whether or not Corbyn actually does win).
Perusing the summary of the competition, mine are pretty close to the average. The largest difference is that I have Cooper ahead of Burnham. It'll be interesting to see who finishes ahead (as well as whether or not Corbyn actually does win).
Deport them to their most likely country of origin.
Why would that be any easier than it is at the moment?
Right now we allow a very broad interpretation of humans rights that should be narrowed significantly. We should also stop the mentality of thinking "this person has destroyed their passport so we can't deport them anywhere". We need to ask them where they are from, or if they refuse to tell, judge them on language. If we still can't tell, Libya seems like the most likely destination they've passed through.
Well Europe has a number of offshore places which could be used: St Helena, the Falklands, South Georgia, Reunion etc.
OK, fine (although it's a very different suggestion from the original proposal of camps in countries nearer the source of the migration).
But my question still remains: what then happens to the 90% (or whatever the number ends up as) who are refused entry?
Deport them to their most likely country of origin.
Evidently they all come from Syria, at least that's what the BBC says
Can or should Europe take 4 to 5 million Syrian refugees,it sounds like our political elite like Merkel wants us to.
The best strategy is for most of these Syrian refugees to stay closer to home like refugee camps on the borders of syria or neighbouring Muslim countries.
Sorry to sound a harsh basta*d,but that's proberly years of being sh!t on by successive governments.
All the other parties are allowing them. What the hell is wrong with the Tory leadership? I thought we were supposed to be having an open and fair debate? But now they feel Tory activists can't be allowed to hear the Brexit arguments, in case they form the wrong conclusion?
Hell would freeze over before the Tories let Aaron Banks anywhere near their conference after his antics last year.
Most Tories would tell him to f*ck right off, so they are doing him a favour.
What did he do? Other than dare to give money to another party? If Labour let him in, we can certainly do the same.
Perusing the summary of the competition, mine are pretty close to the average. The largest difference is that I have Cooper ahead of Burnham. It'll be interesting to see who finishes ahead (as well as whether or not Corbyn actually does win).
All the other parties are allowing them. What the hell is wrong with the Tory leadership? I thought we were supposed to be having an open and fair debate? But now they feel Tory activists can't be allowed to hear the Brexit arguments, in case they form the wrong conclusion?
Hell would freeze over before the Tories let Aaron Banks anywhere near their conference after his antics last year.
Most Tories would tell him to f*ck right off, so they are doing him a favour.
What did he do? Other than dare to give money to another party? If Labour let him in, we can certainly do the same.
Labour are letting Jezza in. As leader. Just because one party loses its marbles...
Well Europe has a number of offshore places which could be used: St Helena, the Falklands, South Georgia, Reunion etc.
OK, fine (although it's a very different suggestion from the original proposal of camps in countries nearer the source of the migration).
But my question still remains: what then happens to the 90% (or whatever the number ends up as) who are refused entry?
We have occasional pb hysteria days. Today is one of those days. If you were to believe pb's paleo-conservatives, kippers and fellow travellers, you'd think that the barbarians were at the gate.
Meanwhile, to put things into context, here's a nice chart via Faisal Islam showing who goes where:
We're in tertiary stage hysteria, where facts are dismissed out of hand and nonsense is treated as gospel. I'm not expecting reasoned argument to get through the hyperventilation.
This is probably the price of having 8 million foreign born here now. It's not the 4000 at Calais, or "Ms Cooper's 10K" (per month or per year), it's the increasing realisation of those who are already legally here that there appears to be no end to the numbers our politicians decide they want to let in.
We are currently effectively having to, generate electricity, provide gas, water, roads, rails, schools, hospitals, and language services each year for a new city about the size of Southampton/Coventry/Nottingham etc and have been doing so for years with no apparent end in sight. All this before we mention pressure on housing, wage rates and just the sheer change parts (generally the less well off parts too) of the existing population are having to put up with. It's migration fatigue. Sadly, however deserving Syrians are in the main (beyond doubt), the likes of Ms Cooper should be looking in the mirror and reflecting that the vast increases we've had since the mid 90's are now playing their part in current feeling. How many is "enough", given demand to live in W Europe as opposed to the Sahel, or poor bits of the M East is potentially nigh on limitless?
England should start considering accepting refugees when the population density of all other Schengen countries reaches that of ours.
Schengen will be long dead way before that ever comes to pass.
Merkel doesn't seem to understand that if you publicly announce you expect to take in 800,000 refugees the reality will be that a lot more than that will actually arrive.
Right now we allow a very broad interpretation of humans rights that should be narrowed significantly. We should also stop the mentality of thinking "this person has destroyed their passport so we can't deport them anywhere". We need to ask them where they are from, or if they refuse to tell, judge them on language. If we still can't tell, Libya seems like the most likely destination they've passed through.
That doesn't require setting up offshore centres, does it? It's a completely separate question.
There's also a further complication which is that the country you deport them to might simply refuse to take them. Then what?
All the other parties are allowing them. What the hell is wrong with the Tory leadership? I thought we were supposed to be having an open and fair debate? But now they feel Tory activists can't be allowed to hear the Brexit arguments, in case they form the wrong conclusion?
Hell would freeze over before the Tories let Aaron Banks anywhere near their conference after his antics last year.
Most Tories would tell him to f*ck right off, so they are doing him a favour.
What did he do? Other than dare to give money to another party? If Labour let him in, we can certainly do the same.
As I said below, it was the timing and the manner of his behaviour that irked so many Tories, including many Eurosceptics.
His actions was designed to inflict maximum damage to the Tory Party.
No wonder Labour are welcoming him with open arms to their conference.
All the other parties are allowing them. What the hell is wrong with the Tory leadership? I thought we were supposed to be having an open and fair debate? But now they feel Tory activists can't be allowed to hear the Brexit arguments, in case they form the wrong conclusion?
Hell would freeze over before the Tories let Aaron Banks anywhere near their conference after his antics last year.
Most Tories would tell him to f*ck right off, so they are doing him a favour.
What did he do? Other than dare to give money to another party? If Labour let him in, we can certainly do the same.
Don’t be daft, Reckless and Aaron Banks where the duo responsible for a coordinated attempt to derail last years Tory Conference. – twas the right decision IMHO.
I'm not sure what % of what Cooper says she actually believes, she tilts her head on one side, looks concerned and considers the least controversial thing to say. So when she talks about 10000 people each month does she mean it or believe its a vote winner?
England should start considering accepting refugees when the population density of all other Schengen countries reaches that of ours.
Schengen will be long dead way before that ever comes to pass.
Merkel doesn't seem to understand that if you publicly announce you expect to take in 800,000 refugees the reality will be that a lot more than that will actually arrive.
Yeah. Nobody has yet said why the first 800,000 have any better rights than the next 8,000,000. Other than survival of the fittest. How very Germanic....
Perusing the summary of the competition, mine are pretty close to the average. The largest difference is that I have Cooper ahead of Burnham. It'll be interesting to see who finishes ahead (as well as whether or not Corbyn actually does win).
I suspect it's very tight - fwiw my view is that Cooper will beat Burnham if she gets the chance to - i.e. if Corbyn scores <50% Kendall's transfers will see Yvette over the line (and quite possibly JC too, based on non-transfers and a few LK-JC'ers). In a way that might be better for Labour than it going to a third round where Corbyn might win 60-40.
Mr. 63, little tells people have can be interesting to observe. Politicians have lots (I say to you/look/let me tell you etc).
When I had a weird hour or two 'working' for HMRC (I was pretending to be interviewed to give people who would later be conducting job interviews practice) and found a question difficult to answer, the slow sip of water worked well to give me time to answer.
Channel 4 stream has started (it's up on Youtube).
I'm not sure what % of what Cooper says she actually believes, she tilts her head on one side, looks concerned and considers the least controversial thing to say. So when she talks about 10000 people each month does she mean it or believe its a vote winner?
If its the latter she's mad.
She's hoping to win some votes. Using a specific number implies controlled immigration rather than a free for all, and it's a high enough figure to appeal to the hand wringers without being considered excessive. All nonsense of course, but Cooper's desperate.
Ta. I wasn't expecting to be told. I see this is an assessment so will in all probability be biased, but 6 is just about believable. Given some Western European benefits, health care etc they'll get to 8 in no time at all.
Mr morris, excellent point about body language, mine was more about Cooper's approach to immigration, in fact her beliefs full stop, she appears entirely devoid of conviction. Without wishing to labour the point, for all I know she has a family of Syrians in her summerhouse, such is her approach to the issue, in which case she has my admiration.
I suspect that she is simply appealing to the handwringers who have yet to vote, because if she is elected leader and announces that immigration numbers will rise she's toast.
Of course the government is silent on this problem. It can only be solved by our leaving the EU or by the EU giving up on the idea of free movement of people. The latter is never going to happen and the former is never going to happen if Cameron and the Establishment can help it. HMG's only recourse on this issue is to say nothing and hope not too many people find out about it.
The more interesting question is what happens when the public increasing concerned and exasperated with immigration issues (and fearful of getting landed with a large mandatory quota of immigrants from war zones) starts to engage with the EU referendum and the polls start to show 60/40 for out. Then what is Cameron's move ?
The moral debate is interesting in a abstract sort of way, but the voters wont be impressed, what is the realpolitik here if the voters start to react strongly.
We have occasional pb hysteria days. Today is one of those days. If you were to believe pb's paleo-conservatives, kippers and fellow travellers, you'd think that the barbarians were at the gate.
Meanwhile, to put things into context, here's a nice chart via Faisal Islam showing who goes where:
Can't see that is going to impress the voters too much, it must be odds on for concern with immigration to be approaching 60% as the most mentioned issue next time around. Waving your hands in the air and patronising people as paleoconservatives is bound to go down well with all the WWC voters concerned about their jobs,.
Ironically it concerns a few working class immigrant friends of mine whose attitude can be summarised as that this country isn't the nice English country they moved to a couple of decades ago any more (and by implication there are too many foreigners around!)
Right now we allow a very broad interpretation of humans rights that should be narrowed significantly. We should also stop the mentality of thinking "this person has destroyed their passport so we can't deport them anywhere". We need to ask them where they are from, or if they refuse to tell, judge them on language. If we still can't tell, Libya seems like the most likely destination they've passed through.
That doesn't require setting up offshore centres, does it? It's a completely separate question.
There's also a further complication which is that the country you deport them to might simply refuse to take them. Then what?
I don't disagree that it's a separate question. But we discussed the offshore centres and then you asked the separate question, so I responded.
I suspect that she is simply appealing to the handwringers who have yet to vote, because if she is elected leader and announces that immigration numbers will rise she's toast.
One thing you can say for JC, he doesn't appear to be a bandwagon jumper in the same class as his two main rivals. Or possibly more accurately he jumped on a fleet of bandwagons some when around 1975 and never found the way off for the next one coming along.
I'm not sure what % of what Cooper says she actually believes, she tilts her head on one side, looks concerned and considers the least controversial thing to say. So when she talks about 10000 people each month does she mean it or believe its a vote winner?
Andy Burnham looks like he's on some sort of management fast-track program to the top of the Labour party, but JC actually believes in what he says.
I also think he's suffered alot image wise by being up against vested, slightly crumpled and tieless Jezza. More so than the ladies he looks like the middle management choice for Labour.
All the other parties are allowing them. What the hell is wrong with the Tory leadership? I thought we were supposed to be having an open and fair debate? But now they feel Tory activists can't be allowed to hear the Brexit arguments, in case they form the wrong conclusion?
Hell would freeze over before the Tories let Aaron Banks anywhere near their conference after his antics last year.
Most Tories would tell him to f*ck right off, so they are doing him a favour.
What did he do? Other than dare to give money to another party? If Labour let him in, we can certainly do the same.
Don’t be daft, Reckless and Aaron Banks where the duo responsible for a coordinated attempt to derail last years Tory Conference. – twas the right decision IMHO.
Correct. He is a UKIP donor, not a tory activist, who these days only exists to prop up Farage's ego.
I can't see this idea of 'well-managed facilities' in Turkey or Tunisia or elsewhere for would-be asylum seekers is a runner. Why on earth would the governments of Turkey or Tunisia agree? It would be an invitation to very large numbers of migrants to head for these camps; after the Western European countries had accepted (say) 10% of them, what would happen to the other 90%? They'd become an immediate and huge problem for Turkey or Tunisia.
Australia does it.
No, Australia sends people who manage to arrive by boat in Australia to offshore-processing centres. That's very different from setting up pre-processing centres in countries closer to the countries of origin, which would act as a magnet for migrants.
Why don't they say: "Sure, Jeremy, everyone needs to talk, but you're not effing George Mitchell, you're a backbencher." It's a ludicrous conceit that he is somehow part of the Middle East peace process.
6.8% on here ukip voters, I thought it was less than that tbh. I like this site but it's as close as you'll get to the media bubble as can be without leaving your desk. And I'm interested in that figure, lots on here have views sympathetic with ukip but wouldn't vote for them, I can't decide if its a tribal thing or they don't like the messenger.
Say what you like about Corbyn, and I know many of you do, but his campaign has been tremendously well run. The steady stream of announcements on a variety of subjects has allowed Corbyn to set the agenda while forcing the others to scramble for a response or repeat platitudes. Corbyn's campaign has also made impressive use of the web and social media to engage people without feeling overly corporate, artificial or cynical. Particularly impressive given the candidate in question is in his 60s and won't have hired a bunch of PR gurus.
All four agree nice cuts are needed. Not nasty Tory cuts.
Burnham claims Labour's more humane benefits policy [says the Conservatives are playing politics with it] was the reason for having fewer food banks then.
Actually, food banks numbers have continually risen since the middle of the last decade. Whether in boom, recession or recovery, the numbers have increased.
Say what you like about Corbyn, and I know many of you do, but his campaign has been tremendously well run. The steady stream of announcements on a variety of subjects has allowed Corbyn to set the agenda while forcing the others to scramble for a response or repeat platitudes. Corbyn's campaign has also made impressive use of the web and social media to engage people without feeling overly corporate, artificial or cynical. Particularly impressive given the candidate in question is in his 60s and won't have hired a bunch of PR gurus.
His announcements have been bonkers - which rather constrains his rivals ability to agree with them. They only appeal to his £3 entryists.
It's currently running at just above zero. Is there an underlying assumption that it's fundamentally uncontrollable? - i.e. is it assumed that PQE is set in motion, it'll be limitless?
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My take is that *then* most people *wanted* to go back home.
This time that is a difference.
Which suggests that keeping the population in the region is critical.
Also, Schengen Delenda Est.
Re: the PB Poll: of the 77 who have responded, 31.5% voted Labour at the GE, 27.4% Cons; LD 15.1% ; UKIP 6.8%, Green: 6.8%; Private/other 12.3%
That's a lovely theory, and, I suspect, utterly at odds with reality.
Most Tories would tell him to f*ck right off, so they are doing him a favour.
New measures include a national system of standardised assessment in P1, P4, P7 and S3.
Ms Sturgeon said this would bring consistency to the assessment of literacy and numeracy.
The legislative programme will see eight new bills introduced. They are:
Abusive Behaviour and Sexual Harm Bill
Bankruptcy Consolidation Bill
Budget Bill
Burial and Cremation Bill
Lobbying Bill
Private Tenancies Bill
Scottish Elections (dates) Bill
Scottish Fiscal Commission Bill
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-34108173
Aaron Banks = Treacherous rat snake
For what it's worth, I did not see your arguments about addressing the problems in the locality, but I agree that has to be the sensible approach.
The best strategy is for most of these Syrian refugees to stay closer to home like refugee camps on the borders of syria or neighbouring Muslim countries.
Sorry to sound a harsh basta*d,but that's proberly years of being sh!t on by successive governments.
Schengen will be long dead way before that ever comes to pass.
We are currently effectively having to, generate electricity, provide gas, water, roads, rails, schools, hospitals, and language services each year for a new city about the size of Southampton/Coventry/Nottingham etc and have been doing so for years with no apparent end in sight. All this before we mention pressure on housing, wage rates and just the sheer change parts (generally the less well off parts too) of the existing population are having to put up with. It's migration fatigue. Sadly, however deserving Syrians are in the main (beyond doubt), the likes of Ms Cooper should be looking in the mirror and reflecting that the vast increases we've had since the mid 90's are now playing their part in current feeling. How many is "enough", given demand to live in W Europe as opposed to the Sahel, or poor bits of the M East is potentially nigh on limitless?
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There's also a further complication which is that the country you deport them to might simply refuse to take them. Then what?
His actions was designed to inflict maximum damage to the Tory Party.
No wonder Labour are welcoming him with open arms to their conference.
Don’t be daft, Reckless and Aaron Banks where the duo responsible for a coordinated attempt to derail last years Tory Conference. – twas the right decision IMHO.
Which, ironically, is also leading Merkel to try and dictate migration policy to most of Europe.
If its the latter she's mad.
When I had a weird hour or two 'working' for HMRC (I was pretending to be interviewed to give people who would later be conducting job interviews practice) and found a question difficult to answer, the slow sip of water worked well to give me time to answer.
Channel 4 stream has started (it's up on Youtube).
Mind you, LMU is a university in the same way that I'm a marathon runner.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-34115350
The woman had gone to use the toilet ahead of the opening of the Newlyn Fish Festival in Cornwall.
Harbour master Rob Parsons said she must have "thought she had teleported" when she came out of the toilet in a new location.
But the best bit is here:
He said it was an easy mistake to make as drivers "go in through the back entrance" to pick up the toilet.
He said: "It does happen quite a bit to be honest - I've done it a few times."
‘Every photo of the candidates looks like the staff room of a failing comprehensive feigning amusement at being photobombed by the janitor.’
I suspect that she is simply appealing to the handwringers who have yet to vote, because if she is elected leader and announces that immigration numbers will rise she's toast.
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The moral debate is interesting in a abstract sort of way, but the voters wont be impressed, what is the realpolitik here if the voters start to react strongly. Can't see that is going to impress the voters too much, it must be odds on for concern with immigration to be approaching 60% as the most mentioned issue next time around. Waving your hands in the air and patronising people as paleoconservatives is bound to go down well with all the WWC voters concerned about their jobs,.
Ironically it concerns a few working class immigrant friends of mine whose attitude can be summarised as that this country isn't the nice English country they moved to a couple of decades ago any more (and by implication there are too many foreigners around!)
People on here really don't rate Burnham...
100 entries: Corbyn: 84% Cooper: 13% Burnham: 2% Kendall: 1%
http://show.nojam.com/a2sY/summary.php
Numbers not his strong point.
Countries have to accept their home nationals.
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I also think he's suffered alot image wise by being up against vested, slightly crumpled and tieless Jezza. More so than the ladies he looks like the middle management choice for Labour.
Gremlins trying to sabotage Comrade Corbyn!
Seems to be the first testy moment. Burnham says we shouldn't make excuses for the Russian incursion.
All candidates will be feeling rather weary by now, as will the electorate.
Burnham claims Labour's more humane benefits policy [says the Conservatives are playing politics with it] was the reason for having fewer food banks then.
Actually, food banks numbers have continually risen since the middle of the last decade. Whether in boom, recession or recovery, the numbers have increased.
Conservative poster-makers will be liking that.
Edited extra bit: Corbyn wants to use QE to stimulate growth (for infrastructure) and cites Japan as an example.
Cooper attacks him for wanting to print money.
It's currently running at just above zero. Is there an underlying assumption that it's fundamentally uncontrollable? - i.e. is it assumed that PQE is set in motion, it'll be limitless?