There's one PMQ scheduled four days after the result is announced, then we have the party conference season.
I suspect Dave will make a grand gesture and say something like
"Hands up if you wanted Corbyn as Labour leader?"
I suspect the Conservative hands in the air will significantly outnumber the Labour hands
I hope he takes the opportunity of congratulating the right hon member for Camberwell and Peckham on her remarkable stint as acting leader and says he is looking forward to her resuming the role as soon as possible.
There's one PMQ scheduled four days after the result is announced, then we have the party conference season.
I suspect Dave will make a grand gesture and say something like
"Hands up if you wanted Corbyn as Labour leader?"
I suspect the Conservative hands in the air will significantly outnumber the Labour hands
I hope he takes the opportunity of congratulating the right hon member for Camberwell and Peckham on her remarkable stint as acting leader and says he is looking forward to her resuming the role as soon as possible.
It'll be Tom Watson, won't it?
True, Harriet's been such a fixture that I'd forgotten that it's not hers by right.
Ladbrokes: Next Shadow Chancellor Andy Burnham 3/1 Owen Smith 5/1 Rachel Reeves 6/1 Richard Burgon 6/1 Jon Trickett 12/1 John McDonnell 16/1 Michael Meacher 16/1 Chris Leslie 20/1 Clive Efford 20/1 Ian Mearns 20/1 Cat Smith 25/1 Clive Lewis 25/1 Louise Haigh 25/1 Yvette Cooper 25/1 Chuka Umunna 33/1 Diane Abbot 33/1 Dennis Skinner 50/1 Sadiq Khan 50/1 Liz Kendall 100/1
I think the Conservative strategy on Corbyn will be to present him as a danger, not a joke - not a hard strategy to implement, of course. They will also want to tie the whole Labour Party into the disaster, whilst exploiting the civil war within Labour. They can achieve all of these by seizing every opportunity to call on sensible, moderate Labour figures to disown Corbyn's extremist views and ask why they are keeping him as leader. That should help cement him in place for a decent time.
There's one PMQ scheduled four days after the result is announced, then we have the party conference season.
I suspect Dave will make a grand gesture and say something like
"Hands up if you wanted Corbyn as Labour leader?"
I suspect the Conservative hands in the air will significantly outnumber the Labour hands
Will champers be allowed at party conference if Corbo makes it ?
I expect every member of the Tory party, even the ones that don't drink, will be bringing a bottle or two of Nebuchadnezzar to Manchester.
Murder investigation launched in London after victim dies 13 years after being shot. The law used to be that if someone died a year and a day later it didn't count as murder.
I think the Conservative strategy on Corbyn will be to present him as a danger, not a joke - not a hard strategy to implement, of course. They will also want to tie the whole Labour Party into the disaster, whilst exploiting the civil war within Labour. They can achieve all of these by seizing every opportunity to call on sensible, moderate Labour figures to disown Corbyn's extremist views and ask why they are keeping him as leader. That should help cement him in place for a decent time.
There's one PMQ scheduled four days after the result is announced, then we have the party conference season.
I suspect Dave will make a grand gesture and say something like
"Hands up if you wanted Corbyn as Labour leader?"
I suspect the Conservative hands in the air will significantly outnumber the Labour hands
Will champers be allowed at party conference if Corbo makes it ?
I expect every member of the Tory party, even the ones that don't drink, will be bringing a bottle or two of Nebuchadnezzar to Manchester.
A Nebuchadnezzar is a bottle....
I know, I meant we'll using the big bottles of champagne.
I think a Nebuchadnezzar is a 15 litre bottle of champagne?
Ladbrokes: Next Shadow Chancellor Andy Burnham 3/1 Owen Smith 5/1 Rachel Reeves 6/1 Richard Burgon 6/1 Jon Trickett 12/1 John McDonnell 16/1 Michael Meacher 16/1 Chris Leslie 20/1 Clive Efford 20/1 Ian Mearns 20/1 Cat Smith 25/1 Clive Lewis 25/1 Louise Haigh 25/1 Yvette Cooper 25/1 Chuka Umunna 33/1 Diane Abbot 33/1 Dennis Skinner 50/1 Sadiq Khan 50/1 Liz Kendall 100/1
Murder investigation launched in London after victim dies 13 years after being shot. The law used to be that if someone died a year and a day later it didn't count as murder.
I think the Conservative strategy on Corbyn will be to present him as a danger, not a joke - not a hard strategy to implement, of course. They will also want to tie the whole Labour Party into the disaster, whilst exploiting the civil war within Labour. They can achieve all of these by seizing every opportunity to call on sensible, moderate Labour figures to disown Corbyn's extremist views and ask why they are keeping him as leader. That should help cement him in place for a decent time.
There's one PMQ scheduled four days after the result is announced, then we have the party conference season.
I suspect Dave will make a grand gesture and say something like
"Hands up if you wanted Corbyn as Labour leader?"
I suspect the Conservative hands in the air will significantly outnumber the Labour hands
Will champers be allowed at party conference if Corbo makes it ?
I expect every member of the Tory party, even the ones that don't drink, will be bringing a bottle or two of Nebuchadnezzar to Manchester.
Ladbrokes: Next Shadow Chancellor Andy Burnham 3/1 Owen Smith 5/1 Rachel Reeves 6/1 Richard Burgon 6/1 Jon Trickett 12/1 John McDonnell 16/1 Michael Meacher 16/1 Chris Leslie 20/1 Clive Efford 20/1 Ian Mearns 20/1 Cat Smith 25/1 Clive Lewis 25/1 Louise Haigh 25/1 Yvette Cooper 25/1 Chuka Umunna 33/1 Diane Abbot 33/1 Dennis Skinner 50/1 Sadiq Khan 50/1 Liz Kendall 100/1
John McDonnell! 12/1
More likely to be Dave Nellist or Derek Hatton than Liz xD
We'll only have to wait 8 months into the Corbyn era to see real results from real elections. That will be the acid test for the Jezlamists.
Mid-term elections can be misleading. Michael Foot's first big electoral test was the May 1981 London council election which resulted in a Labour victory.
IDS even won* the 2002 council elections
* in terms of voting %
He did win 2003 council elections much more convincingly
The Tories were crazy to ditch him. He could have won in 2005.
Yes in 2005 the Tories under IDS could have won, won third place.
Naught but PB Tory Propaganda!
IDS never lost a GE as Party Leader
You were wrong the other day.
Rab Butler wasn't born in India.
He was born in Pakistan.
North-western British India?
Khalistan.
No, that's the other Panjab, on Indian side of the border
I think some would claim both bits...
Another mess created by Labour.
The Partition of India just like Iraq, is another example of brown people dying in the hundreds of thousands due to Labour's incompetence.
You know Mountbatten was asked in the 1970s about what he thought about Partition.
@georgeeaton: Clegg is writing a book, I hear. Cable launching his latest at Lib Dem conference.
Waste of time.
There's no way he'll lay into the Tories because he'd just look bitter, not least in the current Tory-favourable climate. There's been a real lack of scab-scratching ccounts of government in recent years. After 4 or 5 years of new labour we seemed to get a whole plethora of them. Was the coalition too boring or is there some kind of omerta out there? Cameron's hardly known for being popular with his backbenchers and there's many who'll attest to him being not as nice as he seems. About time he got the Tom Bower treatment.
Yes, you get to choose what one of next Sunday's thread is about.
You can choose from the following shortlist
1) AV 2) Electoral reform 3) Scottish Independence 4) AV 5) Does FPTP cause Global Warming.
Edit, not this Sunday, Sunday the 6th of September.
I'll choose 2) Electoral reform
Great! "Electoral Reform" it is then, or to give it the full title: "Electoral Reform - Why Britain should revert to the electoral boundaries that existed before the 1832 Great Reform Act"
Police are searching for Vester Lee Flanagan II, a 41-year-old “light-skinned black male”, a spokesperson for the Augusta County sheriff’s department has confirmed to the Guardian.
The spokesperson said police are searching for Flanagan “in relation to the homicide that occurred in Campbell County” – although Smith Mountain Lake technically lies in Franklin County, and their police department is leading the investigation.
Flanagan was described as 6ft 3in tall, approximately 250lbs, and public records show he has worked in the area as a reporter.
A former Green Party councillor has defended his hobby - as a big game hunter.
Defiant Ben Wightman, 27, has proudly posted trophy photos of himself next to a series of animals he has shot in South Africa.
The controversial images - on his publicly-open Facebook page - show a grinning Wightman, rifle in hand, crouched beside a host of dead animals, including two antelopes, a bloodied warthog, an ostrich, buffalo and a zebra.
Nearest I've been to Manchester is Alderley Edge (interview for Astra Zeneca three years back). I see the trains from Brum take 90 minutes or so, I might me tempted to come along...
A former Green Party councillor has defended his hobby - as a big game hunter.
Defiant Ben Wightman, 27, has proudly posted trophy photos of himself next to a series of animals he has shot in South Africa.
The controversial images - on his publicly-open Facebook page - show a grinning Wightman, rifle in hand, crouched beside a host of dead animals, including two antelopes, a bloodied warthog, an ostrich, buffalo and a zebra.
"Labour councillor's 'real' mother was a 9ft green alien "
"Two green stick things came in. I was aware of some movement over my head. I thought, 'they're not mummy's hands, mummy's hands are pink'. I was looking straight into its face. It enters my mind through my eyes and it sends a message down my optic nerve into my brain. It says 'I am your real mother, I am your more important mother'."
Nigel Farage is trying to block Suzanne Evans from becoming Ukip candidate for Mayor of London with a covert campaign to install a less threatening, loyal party colleague in her place, sources have told Coffee House.
Dumb, but good news for the other parties. UKIP have few people that the voters would recognise. Boris won because of that recognition even though he lacked a history of managing a council. Suzanne has the best name recognition and comes across to voters as competent. This other chap is way short of credibility. This move is illustrative of UKIP failing to capitalise on opportunities because of Farage's deep flaws. Lacks the Leadership quality of nurturing talent because he fears rivals. Gordon Brown?
Dr. Prasannan, hmm. The power shifted from the Assyrians to the Medes to the Persians to the Macedonians/Seleucids to the Parthians to the Persians to the Muslims [I don't go much more modern than that]. Can't comment on continuity of culture.
But my point stands. If we renamed England "Danceria" then Richard the Lionheart would still have been King of England, not King of Danceria.
Dr. Prasannan, hmm. The power shifted from the Assyrians to the Medes to the Persians to the Macedonians/Seleucids to the Parthians to the Persians to the Muslims [I don't go much more modern than that]. Can't comment on continuity of culture.
But my point stands. If we renamed England "Danceria" then Richard the Lionheart would still have been King of England, not King of Danceria.
Rab Butler was born in Pakistan or India, Mr Dancer?
Nigel Farage is trying to block Suzanne Evans from becoming Ukip candidate for Mayor of London with a covert campaign to install a less threatening, loyal party colleague in her place, sources have told Coffee House.
Dumb, but good news for the other parties. UKIP have few people that the voters would recognise. Boris won because of that recognition even though he lacked a history of managing a council. Suzanne has the best name recognition and comes across to voters as competent. This other chap is way short of credibility. This move is illustrative of UKIP failing to capitalise on opportunities because of Farage's deep flaws. Lacks the Leadership quality of nurturing talent because he fears rivals. Gordon Brown?
The other chap is a Londoner, lives in London, & fought a London constituency, which makes him more credible than a lady from Shrewsbury that fought a Shrewsbury constituency.
Mind you he is gay, so that's the muslim vote lost
Neither have a hope in hell of being MoL so cant really see that it matters much
@georgeeaton: Clegg is writing a book, I hear. Cable launching his latest at Lib Dem conference.
Waste of time. There's no way he'll lay into the Tories because he'd just look bitter, not least in the current Tory-favourable climate. There's been a real lack of scab-scratching ccounts of government in recent years. After 4 or 5 years of new labour we seemed to get a whole plethora of them. ....
To get revenge and make some money Vince Cable has to lay into the Conservatives. It will sell books. In Government he did bits of that through a few leaks and he can get a retirement pay day. The Lib Dems will thank him for it as they can buy something as xmas presents and reward saint Vince.
Dr. Prasannan, I think that can make perfect sense in the modern day, but I don't think imposing modern terms on the ancient world makes sense.
By that logic, I could claim [as in, seriously claim, rather than being silly] that Constantine the Great was a Yorkshireman.
Except he wasn't, he was born in what is now Serbia. His mother, Saint Helen of the true cross fame, might have been a Yorkshire lass or possibly Welsh or maybe even Turkish.
Nigel Farage is trying to block Suzanne Evans from becoming Ukip candidate for Mayor of London with a covert campaign to install a less threatening, loyal party colleague in her place, sources have told Coffee House.
Dumb, but good news for the other parties. UKIP have few people that the voters would recognise. Boris won because of that recognition even though he lacked a history of managing a council. Suzanne has the best name recognition and comes across to voters as competent. This other chap is way short of credibility. This move is illustrative of UKIP failing to capitalise on opportunities because of Farage's deep flaws. Lacks the Leadership quality of nurturing talent because he fears rivals. Gordon Brown?
The other chap is a Londoner, lives in London, & fought a London constituency, which makes him more credible than a lady from Shrewsbury that fought a Shrewsbury constituency. Mind you he is gay, so that's the muslim vote lost Neither have a hope in hell of being MoL so cant really see that it matters much
The other chap is known by a fraction of the voters compared to Suzanne. But I am happy and you are happy with the apparent choice. XXXX
Mr. T, agree but it cuts both ways. Remember that very old disabled chap who got mugged? A young lady set up an online campaign to raise funds, and it ended up getting him a small fortune to help himself, as well as the feeling that most people are decent folk.
Mr. Llama, honorary Yorkshireman for he was made emperor here.
Nigel Farage is trying to block Suzanne Evans from becoming Ukip candidate for Mayor of London with a covert campaign to install a less threatening, loyal party colleague in her place, sources have told Coffee House.
Dumb, but good news for the other parties. UKIP have few people that the voters would recognise. Boris won because of that recognition even though he lacked a history of managing a council. Suzanne has the best name recognition and comes across to voters as competent. This other chap is way short of credibility. This move is illustrative of UKIP failing to capitalise on opportunities because of Farage's deep flaws. Lacks the Leadership quality of nurturing talent because he fears rivals. Gordon Brown?
The other chap is a Londoner, lives in London, & fought a London constituency, which makes him more credible than a lady from Shrewsbury that fought a Shrewsbury constituency. Mind you he is gay, so that's the muslim vote lost Neither have a hope in hell of being MoL so cant really see that it matters much
The other chap is known by a fraction of the voters compared to Suzanne. But I am happy and you are happy with the apparent choice. XXXX
Dr. Prasannan, I doubt you're going to persuade me. I can see Persian/Iranian being interchangeable today, but don't see any merit in using a strictly modern term when referring to classical history.
Edited extra bit: not that this is particularly serious, of course. I'm not disputing the Persia-Iran link or anything of that nature.
Think how much information we have at our very fingertips. Wikipedia alone is crammed with information. Not so long ago, finding all that out would've been time-consuming and laborious. People with shared interests can now easily became friends despite being separated by oceans.
It's only fair to say the internet's immensely powerful, whether that's for good or ill.
Dr. Prasannan, I doubt you're going to persuade me. I can see Persian/Iranian being interchangeable today, but don't see any merit in using a strictly modern term when referring to classical history.
Edited extra bit: not that this is particularly serious, of course. I'm not disputing the Persia-Iran link or anything of that nature.
Iran was a name CHOSEN by the Shah as recently as 1935. Persia was always Persia, Mr Dancer!
Mr. T, agree but it cuts both ways. Remember that very old disabled chap who got mugged? A young lady set up an online campaign to raise funds, and it ended up getting him a small fortune to help himself, as well as the feeling that most people are decent folk.
Mr. Llama, honorary Yorkshireman for he was made emperor here.
Sure. Of course. The internet is not intrinsically horrible, no more than chain reactions, or chlorine gas, or electricity. But they all create terrible new ways of killing people evermore spectacularly and publicly.
Perhaps it is the measure of an innovation. If it means people can multiply the possibilities of human evil by factors of ten, or a thousand, then it is a very significant innovation.
The Evil Multiplier: a theorem.
It probably exaggerates the danger of/number of bad things in the world and makes people more fearful rather than actually making things worse..
A former Green Party councillor has defended his hobby - as a big game hunter.
Defiant Ben Wightman, 27, has proudly posted trophy photos of himself next to a series of animals he has shot in South Africa.
The controversial images - on his publicly-open Facebook page - show a grinning Wightman, rifle in hand, crouched beside a host of dead animals, including two antelopes, a bloodied warthog, an ostrich, buffalo and a zebra.
An interesting difference between the Mail 'omigod the helpess zebras are being murdered by this evil man and here's something horrible from his Twitter account in 2011' and the balanced account in the local paper:
It seems to be mainly culling as we do here on red deer, wild boars etc. Culling out animals which will die of starvation through injury and old age reduces suffering. Not a problem.
Good to see the coverage.
The Greens need to understand that we are the top predator now, and that a lot of hunter-shooter types are far closer to nature than they are.
Think how much information we have at our very fingertips. Wikipedia alone is crammed with information. Not so long ago, finding all that out would've been time-consuming and laborious. People with shared interests can now easily became friends despite being separated by oceans.
It's only fair to say the internet's immensely powerful, whether that's for good or ill.
It's also, of course, a sex multiplier. How many more people are Gettting It On thanks to the Net, and in quite spectacular fashion, that might have been strumming away alone, back in the day?
I'm one. Hah. I might buy Mister Berners-Lee some flowers.
Mr. T, agree but it cuts both ways. Remember that very old disabled chap who got mugged? A young lady set up an online campaign to raise funds, and it ended up getting him a small fortune to help himself, as well as the feeling that most people are decent folk.
Mr. Llama, honorary Yorkshireman for he was made emperor here.
Sure. Of course. The internet is not intrinsically horrible, no more than chain reactions, or chlorine gas, or electricity. But they all create terrible new ways of killing people evermore spectacularly and publicly.
Perhaps it is the measure of an innovation. If it means people can multiply the possibilities of human evil by factors of ten, or a thousand, then it is a very significant innovation.
The Evil Multiplier: a theorem.
It probably exaggerates the danger of/number of bad things in the world and makes people more fearful rather than actually making things worse..
TODAY'S POLITICAL QUIZ At the General Election the Tories polled 1,987,272 more votes than Labour. (BBC figures) Suppose that a Corbyn led Labour party persuaded non-voters to vote Labour, so that Labour gained 2,987,272 extra voters (thus outpolling the Tories by a million voters).
THE QUESTION: If these extra votes were distributed equally in each constituency in Great Britain, how many extra seats do you thing Labour would get?
It's also, of course, a sex multiplier. How many more people are Gettting It On thanks to the Net, and in quite spectacular fashion, that might have been strumming away alone, back in the day?
I'm one. Hah. I might buy Mister Berners-Lee some flowers.
Slightly insensitive a couple of weeks after Ashley-wotsit got hacked !
Presumably a lot of those people are getting rather less of the other now, either side of the bedsheet.
I wonder if Turbo-Sarko was a member, and if there was a motobike option.
Dumb, but good news for the other parties. UKIP have few people that the voters would recognise. Boris won because of that recognition even though he lacked a history of managing a council. Suzanne has the best name recognition and comes across to voters as competent. This other chap is way short of credibility. This move is illustrative of UKIP failing to capitalise on opportunities because of Farage's deep flaws. Lacks the Leadership quality of nurturing talent because he fears rivals. Gordon Brown?
If 28 is good news for Corbyn then 9 is even better for Nigel. Pity poor Cameron on 42.
Mr. T, agree but it cuts both ways. Remember that very old disabled chap who got mugged? A young lady set up an online campaign to raise funds, and it ended up getting him a small fortune to help himself, as well as the feeling that most people are decent folk.
Mr. Llama, honorary Yorkshireman for he was made emperor here.
Sure. Of course. The internet is not intrinsically horrible, no more than chain reactions, or chlorine gas, or electricity. But they all create terrible new ways of killing people evermore spectacularly and publicly.
Perhaps it is the measure of an innovation. If it means people can multiply the possibilities of human evil by factors of ten, or a thousand, then it is a very significant innovation.
The Evil Multiplier: a theorem.
It probably exaggerates the danger of/number of bad things in the world and makes people more fearful rather than actually making things worse..
Named after a Great Gatsby character, well she writes for the Guardian...
What can we as a society do about the relentless harassment of women by terrifying men? Menacing men, threatening men, priapic men. Something must be done — and quickly. I reached this conclusion after reading a deeply distressing article by the Guardian columnist Daisy Buchanan, who announced that she has imposed a curfew on herself after a series of deeply unpleasant incursions by bestial males. ‘I can’t believe women have to live like this in 2015,’ Ms Buchanan lamented, having revealed that she has also given up dancing in case the same sort of thing happens when she is on the way home from wherever it is she dances.
TODAY'S POLITICAL QUIZ At the General Election the Tories polled 1,987,272 more votes than Labour. (BBC figures) Suppose that a Corbyn led Labour party persuaded non-voters to vote Labour, so that Labour gained 2,987,272 extra voters (thus outpolling the Tories by a million voters).
THE QUESTION: If these extra votes were distributed equally in each constituency in Great Britain, how many extra seats do you thing Labour would get?
TODAY'S POLITICAL QUIZ At the General Election the Tories polled 1,987,272 more votes than Labour. (BBC figures) Suppose that a Corbyn led Labour party persuaded non-voters to vote Labour, so that Labour gained 2,987,272 extra voters (thus outpolling the Tories by a million voters).
THE QUESTION: If these extra votes were distributed equally in each constituency in Great Britain, how many extra seats do you thing Labour would get?
Treat this like a Fermi question. 3m votes over 632 constituencies is under five thousand votes per constituency. Deduct about half of one-eleventh of five thousand, which is about half of the average of 400 and 500, i.e. 250; about 4,750 votes per constituency. I think the only Lib Dem seat is Sheffield, Hallam, maybe a Plaid seat, maybe 5 SNP seats, so add seven to whatever the Tories have to lose. That's the challenging figure to estimate. Naively, I'd guess 50. My Bayesian sense tells me if you are asking the question, it's low enough to be surprising, so 25. So I guess 32.
Mr. T, agree but it cuts both ways. Remember that very old disabled chap who got mugged? A young lady set up an online campaign to raise funds, and it ended up getting him a small fortune to help himself, as well as the feeling that most people are decent folk.
Mr. Llama, honorary Yorkshireman for he was made emperor here.
Sure. Of course. The internet is not intrinsically horrible, no more than chain reactions, or chlorine gas, or electricity. But they all create terrible new ways of killing people evermore spectacularly and publicly.
Perhaps it is the measure of an innovation. If it means people can multiply the possibilities of human evil by factors of ten, or a thousand, then it is a very significant innovation.
The Evil Multiplier: a theorem.
It probably exaggerates the danger of/number of bad things in the world and makes people more fearful rather than actually making things worse..
Nearest I've been to Manchester is Alderley Edge (interview for Astra Zeneca three years back). I see the trains from Brum take 90 minutes or so, I might me tempted to come along...
London to Manchester in 70 with HS2. You must be looking forward to the future.
Dr. Prasannan, I think that can make perfect sense in the modern day, but I don't think imposing modern terms on the ancient world makes sense.
By that logic, I could claim [as in, seriously claim, rather than being silly] that Constantine the Great was a Yorkshireman.
Except he wasn't, he was born in what is now Serbia. His mother, Saint Helen of the true cross fame, might have been a Yorkshire lass or possibly Welsh or maybe even Turkish.
Although arguably a lot of the stories about St Helena of the True Cross were the result of merging the shadowy historical figure of Helen, mother of Constantine, and Ellen of the Ways the pagan goddess (also something though to be remembered as St Bridget)
Congratulations to those who responded, because they were not tricked. Instinctively I would have thought that polling a million more votes than the Conservatives would have produced a lot of gains. In fact all the answers were pretty near the mark. Well done.
THE QUESTION: If these extra votes were distributed equally in each constituency in Great Britain, how many extra seats do you think Labour would get?
THE ANSWER: 46 (39 in England, 5 in Wales, 2 in Scotland) Losses: Cons 41, LD 2, SNP 2, PC 1
STATE OF PARTIES Cons 289 Lab 278 SNP 54 LD 6 Others 21 (18 NI, 1 Green, 1 UKIP, 1 Speaker)
It just goes to re-affirm the tough task that Labour face in getting a future majority without going into coalition with other parties.
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I'll post the answer at 4pm
Perhaps we could have a meet up.
Next Shadow Chancellor
Andy Burnham 3/1
Owen Smith 5/1
Rachel Reeves 6/1
Richard Burgon 6/1
Jon Trickett 12/1
John McDonnell 16/1
Michael Meacher 16/1
Chris Leslie 20/1
Clive Efford 20/1
Ian Mearns 20/1
Cat Smith 25/1
Clive Lewis 25/1
Louise Haigh 25/1
Yvette Cooper 25/1
Chuka Umunna 33/1
Diane Abbot 33/1
Dennis Skinner 50/1
Sadiq Khan 50/1
Liz Kendall 100/1
http://www.murdermap.co.uk/pages/cases/case.asp?CID=901851184&VID=1202&Case=13-Years-Later:-Marvin-Couson
I think a Nebuchadnezzar is a 15 litre bottle of champagne?
Is this a women-only thread, or may men also participate?
Research, not knowledge, obviously.
Edit: actually, he doesn't seem to have been elevated.
I see TSE has tricked us Neanderthals in any case, but hey ho.
Obviously because you all thought it had to be a man, is why Corbyn's idea for women only carriages on trains is sensible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachael_Heyhoe_Flint,_Baroness_Heyhoe_Flint
You can choose from the following shortlist
1) AV
2) Electoral reform
3) Scottish Independence
4) AV
5) Does FPTP cause Global Warming.
Edit, not this Sunday, Sunday the 6th of September.
His response: "I buggered that one up, didn't I?"
There's no way he'll lay into the Tories because he'd just look bitter, not least in the current Tory-favourable climate. There's been a real lack of scab-scratching ccounts of government in recent years. After 4 or 5 years of new labour we seemed to get a whole plethora of them. Was the coalition too boring or is there some kind of omerta out there? Cameron's hardly known for being popular with his backbenchers and there's many who'll attest to him being not as nice as he seems. About time he got the Tom Bower treatment.
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/could-owen-smith-next-shadow-9807047
Reeves is the only one near the top of that list which seems to have any sort of economic background.
A meet-up in Manchester is possible but not at the Tory conference.
Shivers ... and crosses himself.
From the Graun:
Police are searching for Vester Lee Flanagan II, a 41-year-old “light-skinned black male”, a spokesperson for the Augusta County sheriff’s department has confirmed to the Guardian.
The spokesperson said police are searching for Flanagan “in relation to the homicide that occurred in Campbell County” – although Smith Mountain Lake technically lies in Franklin County, and their police department is leading the investigation.
Flanagan was described as 6ft 3in tall, approximately 250lbs, and public records show he has worked in the area as a reporter.
If not, how could he be Shadow Chancellor?
I guess he could be Shadow Chancellor if Cooper wins but she's much longer odds.
NB. If he did support People's QE then that would compromise him if he later replaced Corbyn as leader.
"drinking establishment."
You silver tongued devil, I'm convinced.
Does anybody really expect local councillors to be sane and competent? Check out this guy:
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/the-northerner/2012/mar/27/whitby-councillor-alien-mother-simon-parkes
"Labour councillor's 'real' mother was a 9ft green alien "
"Two green stick things came in. I was aware of some movement over my head. I thought, 'they're not mummy's hands, mummy's hands are pink'. I was looking straight into its face. It enters my mind through my eyes and it sends a message down my optic nerve into my brain. It says 'I am your real mother, I am your more important mother'."
It's in the Village* and they play nothing but cheesy pop, mostly of 80s and 90s variety
*It's full of gays, so will be heaving with Tories.
By that logic, I could claim [as in, seriously claim, rather than being silly] that Constantine the Great was a Yorkshireman.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Iran
But my point stands. If we renamed England "Danceria" then Richard the Lionheart would still have been King of England, not King of Danceria.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Iran
Mind you he is gay, so that's the muslim vote lost
Neither have a hope in hell of being MoL so cant really see that it matters much
You can't retcon history. It's like Greeks claiming Alexander, or Frenchmen William the Conqueror.
Miss Plato, dogs are super.
UKIP momentum lost. Tick.
Mr. Llama, honorary Yorkshireman for he was made emperor here.
Cyrus spoke Old Persian, the direct ancestor of today's modern Persian language.
Edited extra bit: not that this is particularly serious, of course. I'm not disputing the Persia-Iran link or anything of that nature.
Think how much information we have at our very fingertips. Wikipedia alone is crammed with information. Not so long ago, finding all that out would've been time-consuming and laborious. People with shared interests can now easily became friends despite being separated by oceans.
It's only fair to say the internet's immensely powerful, whether that's for good or ill.
Steven Pinker @sapinker · Aug 25
For those who clicked on JGray link on my Observer feature http://goo.gl/Ln9ad7 , here's why he's flat-earth wrong http://gu.com/p/46zxk/stw
http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/green-party-ben-wightman-cecil-9922717
It seems to be mainly culling as we do here on red deer, wild boars etc. Culling out animals which will die of starvation through injury and old age reduces suffering. Not a problem.
Good to see the coverage.
The Greens need to understand that we are the top predator now, and that a lot of hunter-shooter types are far closer to nature than they are.
Obvious, but reassuring.
At the General Election the Tories polled 1,987,272 more votes than Labour. (BBC figures)
Suppose that a Corbyn led Labour party persuaded non-voters to vote Labour, so that Labour gained 2,987,272 extra voters (thus outpolling the Tories by a million voters).
THE QUESTION: If these extra votes were distributed equally in each constituency in Great Britain, how many extra seats do you thing Labour would get?
Presumably a lot of those people are getting rather less of the other now, either side of the bedsheet.
I wonder if Turbo-Sarko was a member, and if there was a motobike option.
Pity poor Cameron on 42.
Posthumous execution. Just because...
I'll get my coat...
In fact all the answers were pretty near the mark. Well done.
THE QUESTION: If these extra votes were distributed equally in each constituency in Great Britain, how many extra seats do you think Labour would get?
THE ANSWER:
46 (39 in England, 5 in Wales, 2 in Scotland)
Losses: Cons 41, LD 2, SNP 2, PC 1
STATE OF PARTIES
Cons 289
Lab 278
SNP 54
LD 6
Others 21 (18 NI, 1 Green, 1 UKIP, 1 Speaker)
It just goes to re-affirm the tough task that Labour face in getting a future majority without going into coalition with other parties.