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edited August 2015 in General

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I’m not attaching too much importance to voting intention polls at the moment. Firstly we are still waiting for the review by the British Polling Council of what went wrong with the May 7th surveys. That is due out in March and is likely to make important proposals about the way polls are conducted

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  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Any more polls expected before Sep 12?
  • Corbyn, ie 2nd if he's lucky
  • TW1R64TW1R64 Posts: 56
    Things can only get better, can only get better.....;-)
  • Any more polls expected before Sep 12?

    We might get an Ipsos Mori one possibly and ICM poll too.

    But they may hang fire until after the leadership election result
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Why does Mike often refer to JC as "Mr Corbyn"?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Any more polls expected before Sep 12?

    We might get an Ipsos Mori one possibly and ICM poll too.

    But they may hang fire until after the leadership election result
    Helpful
  • There will almost certainly be a honeymoon period, until someone asks him an awkward question on live TV and he loses his temper. Then maybe people will wake up and see what a stark raving nutter they've elected...then again, maybe they won't.
  • isam said:

    Why does Mike often refer to JC as "Mr Corbyn"?

    I'm not sure, Mr isam :)
  • TW1R64 said:

    Things can only get better, can only get better.....;-)

    Naught but Blairite Propaganda :lol:
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474

    isam said:

    Why does Mike often refer to JC as "Mr Corbyn"?

    I'm not sure, Mr isam :)
    Hold on, I thought everyone here was a Ms.

    Am I sitting in the wrong web page?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,253
    isam said:

    Why does Mike often refer to JC as "Mr Corbyn"?

    Can't quite bring himself to use "Comrade Corbyn"?
  • watford30 said:

    isam said:

    Why does Mike often refer to JC as "Mr Corbyn"?

    I'm not sure, Mr isam :)
    Hold on, I thought everyone here was a Ms.

    Am I sitting in the wrong web page?
    Yeah, my real name is Sue Neil :lol:
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417
    Corbyn will be better than the shower of shit at the top of Labour at the moment.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,253
    We'll only have to wait 8 months into the Corbyn era to see real results from real elections. That will be the acid test for the Jezlamists.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,780
    watford30 said:

    isam said:

    Why does Mike often refer to JC as "Mr Corbyn"?

    I'm not sure, Mr isam :)
    Hold on, I thought everyone here was a Ms.

    Am I sitting in the wrong web page?
    You might be sitting in the wrong train carriage.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,974
    On the other hand...if that 14% gap doesn't get materially bridged in the next six months, the Old Cheerio Routine will be well underway....
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Plato said:
    Andy Burnham seems more like:

    "These are my principles and if you don't like them, well, here are some others."

    No wonder he's the Mirror man.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    watford30 said:

    isam said:

    Why does Mike often refer to JC as "Mr Corbyn"?

    I'm not sure, Mr isam :)
    Hold on, I thought everyone here was a Ms.

    Am I sitting in the wrong web page?
    No Comment
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    antifrank said:

    Plato said:
    Andy Burnham seems more like:

    "These are my principles and if you don't like them, well, here are some others."

    No wonder he's the Mirror man.
    Says he's a people fan?
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited August 2015

    watford30 said:

    isam said:

    Why does Mike often refer to JC as "Mr Corbyn"?

    I'm not sure, Mr isam :)
    Hold on, I thought everyone here was a Ms.

    Am I sitting in the wrong web page?
    You might be sitting in the wrong train carriage.
    Jacky W is sitting in the wrong century.
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    isam said:

    antifrank said:

    Plato said:
    Andy Burnham seems more like:

    "These are my principles and if you don't like them, well, here are some others."

    No wonder he's the Mirror man.
    Says he's a people fan?
    He should walk on stage with that playing in the background.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,038
    Talking of equality what about those whose names start with a letter in the second half of the alphabet?
    Recently we have had Cameron, Brown, Blair...there is clear evidence of bias here. Look at the Labour candidates, Burnham, Cooper, Corbyn and the token gesture of Kendall, clear evidence of favouritism.

    Major got half way but it is now 24 years and counting since the second half have had a PM. Something ought to be done. I am sure Burnham would agree, only...not yet
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    isam said:

    watford30 said:

    isam said:

    Why does Mike often refer to JC as "Mr Corbyn"?

    I'm not sure, Mr isam :)
    Hold on, I thought everyone here was a Ms.

    Am I sitting in the wrong web page?
    No Comment
    Keep away from me, or I'll jab you with my hat pin.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    George Foulkes has just called Burnham the 'modern day John Smith'
    antifrank said:

    Plato said:
    Andy Burnham seems more like:

    "These are my principles and if you don't like them, well, here are some others."

    No wonder he's the Mirror man.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417
    Plato said:

    George Foulkes has just called Burnham the 'modern day John Smith'

    antifrank said:

    Plato said:
    Andy Burnham seems more like:

    "These are my principles and if you don't like them, well, here are some others."

    No wonder he's the Mirror man.
    Andy Burnham isn't fit to lace Ed Miliband's boots, let alone...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,974

    We'll only have to wait 8 months into the Corbyn era to see real results from real elections. That will be the acid test for the Jezlamists.

    That's why I referenced six months in my previous post. If by February the Tories are still miles ahead, there will have been no Corbyn honeymoon. And people can start undermining him, going in to those elections. A divided party always get punished at the polls - and so you have a self-fulfilling prophecy from those who want him out...
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,038
    edited August 2015
    antifrank said:

    Plato said:
    Andy Burnham seems more like:

    "These are my principles and if you don't like them, well, here are some others."

    No wonder he's the Mirror man.
    Yes because he is loyal. Loyal to the Labour party. Willing to support whatever rubbish the leader of the day comes out with. And he expects the party to do the same thing for him.

    And that is a good thing.

    Apparently.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    I'm not sure that the current Labour polling score is a low base. It looks to me like an extraordinarily high base given the spectacle which the party has been putting on for our entertainment. In any case, there's no situation so bad that it can't be made worse.
  • So Tories when you get polled after Corbyn is elected, tell the pollsters you're voting Labour or Labour might end up ditching Corbyn
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    isam said:

    antifrank said:

    Plato said:
    Andy Burnham seems more like:

    "These are my principles and if you don't like them, well, here are some others."

    No wonder he's the Mirror man.
    Says he's a people fan?
    You know he'll change, if change is what you desire.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    On topic, 22% who'd vote for Labour under Jeremy Corbyn made no allowance for Don't Knows. Strip them out and Labour would have polled 28%, which is at the same level as was recorded in the main ComRes poll.

    Still pretty awful, mind. And that's before the Conservatives have broken their self-denying ordinance of keeping quiet during the motorway pile-up that is the Labour party election campaign.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,974
    edited August 2015
    Plato said:

    George Foulkes has just called Burnham the 'modern day John Smith'

    antifrank said:

    Plato said:
    Andy Burnham seems more like:

    "These are my principles and if you don't like them, well, here are some others."

    No wonder he's the Mirror man.
    Then he'd better top up on his life insurance.

    What??
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    For some reason Labour's position keeps reminding me of a T-shirt I saw in the Caribbean: "The beatings will continue until morale improves!"
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    NZ fielding is unusually atrocious in the ODI vs SA
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,834

    We'll only have to wait 8 months into the Corbyn era to see real results from real elections. That will be the acid test for the Jezlamists.

    A test, yes. A critical test, no. Scotland loss? SNP / Dugdale / Murphy / oil. Wales? NHS / education / devolved stuff. London? Khan (or whoever - they're personality-driven anyway). PCC's? Full of independents getting in the way. Locals? Coming off a high base from 2012.

    Too many excuses for failure (even if it is failure, which isn't guaranteed).
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    I think Labour will be stuck around the 30% range for a bit, there isn't the low hanging fruit of disgruntled Lib Dems this time round and to win over centrist/protest votes will take time.

    It'll be hard for Corbyn to have a honeymoon period as Labour themselves are divided over whether they want him as leader and his appeal is limited.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited August 2015

    We'll only have to wait 8 months into the Corbyn era to see real results from real elections. That will be the acid test for the Jezlamists.

    Mid-term elections can be misleading. Michael Foot's first big electoral test was the May 1981 London council election which resulted in a Labour victory.
  • antifrank said:

    Plato said:

    twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/636530892438118400

    Andy Burnham seems more like:

    "These are my principles and if you don't like them, well, here are some others."

    No wonder he's the Mirror man.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMu1T_Tg5Fw
  • isam said:

    Why does Mike often refer to JC as "Mr Corbyn"?

    It is politeness to the older man.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    That was my instant reaction. WTF? So Andy won't make it to the GE?

    Mind you, at this rate - Burnham will definitely be the most below average leader Labour never had.

    Plato said:

    George Foulkes has just called Burnham the 'modern day John Smith'

    antifrank said:

    Plato said:
    Andy Burnham seems more like:

    "These are my principles and if you don't like them, well, here are some others."

    No wonder he's the Mirror man.
    Then he'd better top up on his life insurance.

    What??
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    Why does Mike often refer to JC as "Mr Corbyn"?

    It is politeness to the older man.
    I thought that might be the reason. I quite like it
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,995
    Afternoon all :)

    Polls in the summer of 1983, 1987, 1997 and 2001 would have told the same story. I believe even in June 1992 the Conservatives were 15% ahead so it's no guide whatsoever and as we've seen in the past few days, perturbations elsewhere can have dramatic impacts here.

    Like all political leaders, Corbyn, if elected, is going to need a bit of luck. A Ministerial resignation here, a by-election there and suddenly everyone will rally round - it's the nature of the political beast.

    Nothing has happened to see the election dynamic - if you voted Conservative, there's no reason not to vote Conservative now. There will of course be a midterm of some description but my guess is we're looking at the winter of 16-17 before that gets going, unless something dramatic happens before then.

    "Events, dear boy, events" as someone once said.
  • stodge said:



    "Events, dear boy, events" as someone once said.

    Who? It probably wasn't Harold Macmillan!
    https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Harold_Macmillan#Disputed
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,166
    edited August 2015
    AndyJS said:

    We'll only have to wait 8 months into the Corbyn era to see real results from real elections. That will be the acid test for the Jezlamists.

    Mid-term elections can be misleading. Michael Foot's first big electoral test was the May 1981 London council election which resulted in a Labour victory.
    IDS even won* the 2002 council elections :lol:

    * in terms of voting %

    He did win 2003 council elections much more convincingly
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,253

    AndyJS said:

    We'll only have to wait 8 months into the Corbyn era to see real results from real elections. That will be the acid test for the Jezlamists.

    Mid-term elections can be misleading. Michael Foot's first big electoral test was the May 1981 London council election which resulted in a Labour victory.
    IDS even won* the 2002 council elections :lol:

    * in terms of voting %

    He did win 2003 council elections much more convincingly
    The Tories were crazy to ditch him. He could have won in 2005.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''In any case, there's no situation so bad that it can't be made worse. ''

    As far as I can see the papers and the tories haven;t even started on Jezza's 'let them come you effing racists' immigration policy.
  • AndyJS said:

    We'll only have to wait 8 months into the Corbyn era to see real results from real elections. That will be the acid test for the Jezlamists.

    Mid-term elections can be misleading. Michael Foot's first big electoral test was the May 1981 London council election which resulted in a Labour victory.
    IDS even won* the 2002 council elections :lol:

    * in terms of voting %

    He did win 2003 council elections much more convincingly
    The Tories were crazy to ditch him. He could have won in 2005.
    Yes in 2005 the Tories under IDS could have won, won third place.
  • No Ipsos Mori this month, next one will be after Corbyn has been elected.

    Just waiting for ICM to get back to me.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,834

    stodge said:



    "Events, dear boy, events" as someone once said.

    Who? It probably wasn't Harold Macmillan!
    https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Harold_Macmillan#Disputed
    No, but somebody must have misquoted it first.
  • AndyJS said:

    We'll only have to wait 8 months into the Corbyn era to see real results from real elections. That will be the acid test for the Jezlamists.

    Mid-term elections can be misleading. Michael Foot's first big electoral test was the May 1981 London council election which resulted in a Labour victory.
    IDS even won* the 2002 council elections :lol:

    * in terms of voting %

    He did win 2003 council elections much more convincingly
    The Tories were crazy to ditch him. He could have won in 2005.
    Yes in 2005 the Tories under IDS could have won, won third place.
    Naught but PB Tory Propaganda!

    IDS never lost a GE as Party Leader :)
  • Best quote by politician ever

    "You shouldn't believe everything you read on the internet" - Abraham Lincoln
  • AndyJS said:

    We'll only have to wait 8 months into the Corbyn era to see real results from real elections. That will be the acid test for the Jezlamists.

    Mid-term elections can be misleading. Michael Foot's first big electoral test was the May 1981 London council election which resulted in a Labour victory.
    IDS even won* the 2002 council elections :lol:

    * in terms of voting %

    He did win 2003 council elections much more convincingly
    The Tories were crazy to ditch him. He could have won in 2005.
    Yes in 2005 the Tories under IDS could have won, won third place.
    Naught but PB Tory Propaganda!

    IDS never lost a GE as Party Leader :)
    You were wrong the other day.

    Rab Butler wasn't born in India.

    He was born in Pakistan. :lol:
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    AndyJS said:

    We'll only have to wait 8 months into the Corbyn era to see real results from real elections. That will be the acid test for the Jezlamists.

    Mid-term elections can be misleading. Michael Foot's first big electoral test was the May 1981 London council election which resulted in a Labour victory.
    IDS even won* the 2002 council elections :lol:

    * in terms of voting %

    He did win 2003 council elections much more convincingly
    The Tories were crazy to ditch him. He could have won in 2005.
    Yes in 2005 the Tories under IDS could have won, won third place.
    Naught but PB Tory Propaganda!

    IDS never lost a GE as Party Leader :)

    Neither have you.

  • @georgeeaton: Clegg is writing a book, I hear. Cable launching his latest at Lib Dem conference.
  • AndyJS said:

    We'll only have to wait 8 months into the Corbyn era to see real results from real elections. That will be the acid test for the Jezlamists.

    Mid-term elections can be misleading. Michael Foot's first big electoral test was the May 1981 London council election which resulted in a Labour victory.
    IDS even won* the 2002 council elections :lol:

    * in terms of voting %

    He did win 2003 council elections much more convincingly
    The Tories were crazy to ditch him. He could have won in 2005.
    Yes in 2005 the Tories under IDS could have won, won third place.
    Naught but PB Tory Propaganda!

    IDS never lost a GE as Party Leader :)
    You were wrong the other day.

    Rab Butler wasn't born in India.

    He was born in Pakistan. :lol:
    North-western British India? :lol:
  • AndyJS said:

    We'll only have to wait 8 months into the Corbyn era to see real results from real elections. That will be the acid test for the Jezlamists.

    Mid-term elections can be misleading. Michael Foot's first big electoral test was the May 1981 London council election which resulted in a Labour victory.
    IDS even won* the 2002 council elections :lol:

    * in terms of voting %

    He did win 2003 council elections much more convincingly
    The Tories were crazy to ditch him. He could have won in 2005.
    Yes in 2005 the Tories under IDS could have won, won third place.
    Naught but PB Tory Propaganda!

    IDS never lost a GE as Party Leader :)

    Neither have you.

    And neither have you, so ner :p
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    UKIP are obviously feeling ignored:

    Nigel Farage is trying to block Suzanne Evans from becoming Ukip candidate for Mayor of London with a covert campaign to install a less threatening, loyal party colleague in her place, sources have told Coffee House.

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/08/exclusive-ukip-wars-threaten-to-reignite-over-mayoral-race/
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091

    @georgeeaton: Clegg is writing a book, I hear. Cable launching his latest at Lib Dem conference.

    Hopefully while launching it, he announces he is quitting as an MP so that we can get a tasty Sheffield Hallam by-election.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    watford30 said:

    watford30 said:

    isam said:

    Why does Mike often refer to JC as "Mr Corbyn"?

    I'm not sure, Mr isam :)
    Hold on, I thought everyone here was a Ms.

    Am I sitting in the wrong web page?
    You might be sitting in the wrong train carriage.
    Jacky W is sitting in the wrong century.
    Kindly desist from being overly familiar and confirm what century you understand I'm "sitting in"?

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,166
    edited August 2015

    stodge said:



    "Events, dear boy, events" as someone once said.

    Who? It probably wasn't Harold Macmillan!
    https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Harold_Macmillan#Disputed
    No, but somebody must have misquoted it first.
    Again, the question is who?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3577416/As-Macmillan-never-said-thats-enough-quotations.html

    "As Macmillan never said: that's enough quotations"
  • Danny565 said:

    @georgeeaton: Clegg is writing a book, I hear. Cable launching his latest at Lib Dem conference.

    Hopefully while launching it, he announces he is quitting as an MP so that we can get a tasty Sheffield Hallam by-election.
    Con gain nailed on were Labour to elect Corbyn (I hope, I want to live in a Tory seat again)
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Danny565 said:

    @georgeeaton: Clegg is writing a book, I hear. Cable launching his latest at Lib Dem conference.

    Hopefully while launching it, he announces he is quitting as an MP so that we can get a tasty Sheffield Hallam by-election.
    That could decimate his party. Actually, it would be worse than that.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,253

    AndyJS said:

    We'll only have to wait 8 months into the Corbyn era to see real results from real elections. That will be the acid test for the Jezlamists.

    Mid-term elections can be misleading. Michael Foot's first big electoral test was the May 1981 London council election which resulted in a Labour victory.
    IDS even won* the 2002 council elections :lol:

    * in terms of voting %

    He did win 2003 council elections much more convincingly
    The Tories were crazy to ditch him. He could have won in 2005.
    Yes in 2005 the Tories under IDS could have won, won third place.
    Naught but PB Tory Propaganda!

    IDS never lost a GE as Party Leader :)
    You were wrong the other day.

    Rab Butler wasn't born in India.

    He was born in Pakistan. :lol:
    North-western British India? :lol:
    Khalistan.
  • (I hope, I want to live in a Tory seat again)

    Basil Fawlty:
    "You snobs! You stupid... stuck-up... toffee-nosed... half-witted... upper-class piles of... pus!"
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited August 2015

    UKIP are obviously feeling ignored:

    Nigel Farage is trying to block Suzanne Evans from becoming Ukip candidate for Mayor of London with a covert campaign to install a less threatening, loyal party colleague in her place, sources have told Coffee House.

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/08/exclusive-ukip-wars-threaten-to-reignite-over-mayoral-race/

    Don't see what qualifies Suzanne Evans to be a good candidate for the London Mayoralty. Not from London, doesn't live in London...

    I think people only praise her so highly as a alternative way of slighting Farage.. I cant think what she has done to be so highly thought of by non kippers

    Peter Whittle would be the best choice for UKIP I reckon.

    (I wrote that without reading the article by the way!)
  • Danny565 said:

    @georgeeaton: Clegg is writing a book, I hear. Cable launching his latest at Lib Dem conference.

    Hopefully while launching it, he announces he is quitting as an MP so that we can get a tasty Sheffield Hallam by-election.
    That could decimate his party. Actually, it would be worse than that.
    The Conservative Party owes Nick Clegg so much, I hope Dave appoints him as Secretary-General of NATO or the UN, or maybe an EU Commissioner.
  • AndyJS said:

    We'll only have to wait 8 months into the Corbyn era to see real results from real elections. That will be the acid test for the Jezlamists.

    Mid-term elections can be misleading. Michael Foot's first big electoral test was the May 1981 London council election which resulted in a Labour victory.
    IDS even won* the 2002 council elections :lol:

    * in terms of voting %

    He did win 2003 council elections much more convincingly
    The Tories were crazy to ditch him. He could have won in 2005.
    Yes in 2005 the Tories under IDS could have won, won third place.
    Naught but PB Tory Propaganda!

    IDS never lost a GE as Party Leader :)
    You were wrong the other day.

    Rab Butler wasn't born in India.

    He was born in Pakistan. :lol:
    North-western British India? :lol:
    Khalistan.
    No, that's the other Panjab, on Indian side of the border :)
  • UKIP are obviously feeling ignored:

    Nigel Farage is trying to block Suzanne Evans from becoming Ukip candidate for Mayor of London with a covert campaign to install a less threatening, loyal party colleague in her place, sources have told Coffee House.

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/08/exclusive-ukip-wars-threaten-to-reignite-over-mayoral-race/

    Gives Mike and I an excuse to use this picture in a future thread

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CGKum0jWQAAI4ct.jpg
  • IcarusIcarus Posts: 994
    "loyal party colleague" I should think finding one of those is about as likely in UKIP as in the Labour Party
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,166
    edited August 2015

    UKIP are obviously feeling ignored:

    Nigel Farage is trying to block Suzanne Evans from becoming Ukip candidate for Mayor of London with a covert campaign to install a less threatening, loyal party colleague in her place, sources have told Coffee House.

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/08/exclusive-ukip-wars-threaten-to-reignite-over-mayoral-race/

    Gives Mike and I an excuse to use this picture in a future thread

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CGKum0jWQAAI4ct.jpg
    Grammar fail from TSE! Grammar fail from TSE!

    You should have said: "Gives Mike and ME an excuse to use this picture in a future thread."

    You and Mike are the OBJECTS of that sentence!

    #hypercorrection

    Easy way to work it out is to omit "Mike" and see if "Gives me an excuse" or "Gives I an excuse" is correct.
  • DisraeliDisraeli Posts: 1,106

    watford30 said:

    isam said:

    Why does Mike often refer to JC as "Mr Corbyn"?

    I'm not sure, Mr isam :)
    Hold on, I thought everyone here was a Ms.

    Am I sitting in the wrong web page?
    You might be sitting in the wrong train carriage.
    :smiley:
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    isam said:

    UKIP are obviously feeling ignored:

    Nigel Farage is trying to block Suzanne Evans from becoming Ukip candidate for Mayor of London with a covert campaign to install a less threatening, loyal party colleague in her place, sources have told Coffee House.

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/08/exclusive-ukip-wars-threaten-to-reignite-over-mayoral-race/

    Don't see what qualifies Suzanne Evans to be a good candidate for the London Mayoralty. Not from London, doesn't live in London...

    I think people only praise her so highly as a alternative way of slighting Farage.. I cant think what she has done to be so highly thought of by non kippers

    Peter Whittle would be the best choice for UKIP I reckon.

    (I wrote that without reading the article by the way!)
    Evans' chief asset is putting the UKIP case well on the TV circuit and looking and sounding reasonable. I'd assume she might help broaden the party's appeal.

    I agree with you that she's not obviously a Mayoral candidate but one way or another UKIP need to sort all these briefings out or they're going to miss a very big post-Corbyn opportunity.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,253

    AndyJS said:

    We'll only have to wait 8 months into the Corbyn era to see real results from real elections. That will be the acid test for the Jezlamists.

    Mid-term elections can be misleading. Michael Foot's first big electoral test was the May 1981 London council election which resulted in a Labour victory.
    IDS even won* the 2002 council elections :lol:

    * in terms of voting %

    He did win 2003 council elections much more convincingly
    The Tories were crazy to ditch him. He could have won in 2005.
    Yes in 2005 the Tories under IDS could have won, won third place.
    Naught but PB Tory Propaganda!

    IDS never lost a GE as Party Leader :)
    You were wrong the other day.

    Rab Butler wasn't born in India.

    He was born in Pakistan. :lol:
    North-western British India? :lol:
    Khalistan.
    No, that's the other Panjab, on Indian side of the border :)
    I think some would claim both bits...
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,313

    AndyJS said:

    We'll only have to wait 8 months into the Corbyn era to see real results from real elections. That will be the acid test for the Jezlamists.

    Mid-term elections can be misleading. Michael Foot's first big electoral test was the May 1981 London council election which resulted in a Labour victory.
    IDS even won* the 2002 council elections :lol:

    * in terms of voting %

    He did win 2003 council elections much more convincingly
    The Tories were crazy to ditch him. He could have won in 2005.
    Yes in 2005 the Tories under IDS could have won, won third place.
    Naught but PB Tory Propaganda!

    IDS never lost a GE as Party Leader :)
    You were wrong the other day.

    Rab Butler wasn't born in India.

    He was born in Pakistan. :lol:
    North-western British India? :lol:
    Khalistan.
    No, that's the other Panjab, on Indian side of the border :)
    Wikipedia says Attock, now in Pakistan.
  • Very decent of George Osborne.

    George Osborne: Jeremy Corbyn is not a 'joke'

    Chancellor warns Conservatives against complacency over Labour's internal strife and indicates that the Tories should not underestimate Mr Corbyn

    http://bit.ly/1heHiBe
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Isn't Winston McKenzie available, then?
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,834

    AndyJS said:

    We'll only have to wait 8 months into the Corbyn era to see real results from real elections. That will be the acid test for the Jezlamists.

    Mid-term elections can be misleading. Michael Foot's first big electoral test was the May 1981 London council election which resulted in a Labour victory.
    IDS even won* the 2002 council elections :lol:

    * in terms of voting %

    He did win 2003 council elections much more convincingly
    The Tories were crazy to ditch him. He could have won in 2005.
    Yes in 2005 the Tories under IDS could have won, won third place.
    Naught but PB Tory Propaganda!

    IDS never lost a GE as Party Leader :)
    You were wrong the other day.

    Rab Butler wasn't born in India.

    He was born in Pakistan. :lol:
    There wasn't a Pakistan when Butler was born; it was all India.
  • AndyJS said:

    We'll only have to wait 8 months into the Corbyn era to see real results from real elections. That will be the acid test for the Jezlamists.

    Mid-term elections can be misleading. Michael Foot's first big electoral test was the May 1981 London council election which resulted in a Labour victory.
    IDS even won* the 2002 council elections :lol:

    * in terms of voting %

    He did win 2003 council elections much more convincingly
    The Tories were crazy to ditch him. He could have won in 2005.
    Yes in 2005 the Tories under IDS could have won, won third place.
    Naught but PB Tory Propaganda!

    IDS never lost a GE as Party Leader :)
    You were wrong the other day.

    Rab Butler wasn't born in India.

    He was born in Pakistan. :lol:
    North-western British India? :lol:
    Khalistan.
    No, that's the other Panjab, on Indian side of the border :)
    I think some would claim both bits...
    Mostly an Indian movement - hardly any Sikhs left in Pakistan.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    Very decent of George Osborne.

    George Osborne: Jeremy Corbyn is not a 'joke'

    Chancellor warns Conservatives against complacency over Labour's internal strife and indicates that the Tories should not underestimate Mr Corbyn

    http://bit.ly/1heHiBe

    He's more like a punchline. You can see it coming a mile off and are already groaning before it's actually delivered.
  • AndyJS said:

    We'll only have to wait 8 months into the Corbyn era to see real results from real elections. That will be the acid test for the Jezlamists.

    Mid-term elections can be misleading. Michael Foot's first big electoral test was the May 1981 London council election which resulted in a Labour victory.
    IDS even won* the 2002 council elections :lol:

    * in terms of voting %

    He did win 2003 council elections much more convincingly
    The Tories were crazy to ditch him. He could have won in 2005.
    Yes in 2005 the Tories under IDS could have won, won third place.
    Naught but PB Tory Propaganda!

    IDS never lost a GE as Party Leader :)
    You were wrong the other day.

    Rab Butler wasn't born in India.

    He was born in Pakistan. :lol:
    North-western British India? :lol:
    Khalistan.
    No, that's the other Panjab, on Indian side of the border :)
    Wikipedia says Attock, now in Pakistan.
    I was referring to "Khalistan"
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,984
    edited August 2015

    AndyJS said:

    We'll only have to wait 8 months into the Corbyn era to see real results from real elections. That will be the acid test for the Jezlamists.

    Mid-term elections can be misleading. Michael Foot's first big electoral test was the May 1981 London council election which resulted in a Labour victory.
    IDS even won* the 2002 council elections :lol:

    * in terms of voting %

    He did win 2003 council elections much more convincingly
    The Tories were crazy to ditch him. He could have won in 2005.
    Yes in 2005 the Tories under IDS could have won, won third place.
    Naught but PB Tory Propaganda!

    IDS never lost a GE as Party Leader :)
    You were wrong the other day.

    Rab Butler wasn't born in India.

    He was born in Pakistan. :lol:
    North-western British India? :lol:
    Khalistan.
    No, that's the other Panjab, on Indian side of the border :)
    I think some would claim both bits...
    Another mess created by Labour.

    The Partition of India just like Iraq, is another example of brown people dying in the hundreds of thousands due to Labour's incompetence.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    UKIP are obviously feeling ignored:

    Nigel Farage is trying to block Suzanne Evans from becoming Ukip candidate for Mayor of London with a covert campaign to install a less threatening, loyal party colleague in her place, sources have told Coffee House.

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/08/exclusive-ukip-wars-threaten-to-reignite-over-mayoral-race/

    Don't see what qualifies Suzanne Evans to be a good candidate for the London Mayoralty. Not from London, doesn't live in London...

    I think people only praise her so highly as a alternative way of slighting Farage.. I cant think what she has done to be so highly thought of by non kippers

    Peter Whittle would be the best choice for UKIP I reckon.

    (I wrote that without reading the article by the way!)
    Evans' chief asset is putting the UKIP case well on the TV circuit and looking and sounding reasonable. I'd assume she might help broaden the party's appeal.

    I agree with you that she's not obviously a Mayoral candidate but one way or another UKIP need to sort all these briefings out or they're going to miss a very big post-Corbyn opportunity.
    I have met Suzanne and she is good company, but her media performances haven't struck me as particularly impressive. Whittle is from London, did very well as candidate in a London constituency (Eltham), speaks nicely and writes very well on social issues in London. Seems the obvious candidate to me

  • AndyJS said:

    We'll only have to wait 8 months into the Corbyn era to see real results from real elections. That will be the acid test for the Jezlamists.

    Mid-term elections can be misleading. Michael Foot's first big electoral test was the May 1981 London council election which resulted in a Labour victory.
    IDS even won* the 2002 council elections :lol:

    * in terms of voting %

    He did win 2003 council elections much more convincingly
    The Tories were crazy to ditch him. He could have won in 2005.
    Yes in 2005 the Tories under IDS could have won, won third place.
    Naught but PB Tory Propaganda!

    IDS never lost a GE as Party Leader :)
    You were wrong the other day.

    Rab Butler wasn't born in India.

    He was born in Pakistan. :lol:
    North-western British India? :lol:
    Khalistan.
    No, that's the other Panjab, on Indian side of the border :)
    I think some would claim both bits...
    Another mess created by Labour.

    The Partition of India just like Iraq, is another example of brown people dying in the hundreds of thousands under Labour's watch.
    Wasn't the Tory PM Churchill against Independence? Just sayin...
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    Very decent of George Osborne.

    George Osborne: Jeremy Corbyn is not a 'joke'

    Chancellor warns Conservatives against complacency over Labour's internal strife and indicates that the Tories should not underestimate Mr Corbyn

    http://bit.ly/1heHiBe

    Osborne probably does regard Corbyn as a joke but doesn't want to seem complacent.
  • AndyJS said:

    We'll only have to wait 8 months into the Corbyn era to see real results from real elections. That will be the acid test for the Jezlamists.

    Mid-term elections can be misleading. Michael Foot's first big electoral test was the May 1981 London council election which resulted in a Labour victory.
    IDS even won* the 2002 council elections :lol:

    * in terms of voting %

    He did win 2003 council elections much more convincingly
    The Tories were crazy to ditch him. He could have won in 2005.
    Yes in 2005 the Tories under IDS could have won, won third place.
    Naught but PB Tory Propaganda!

    IDS never lost a GE as Party Leader :)
    You were wrong the other day.

    Rab Butler wasn't born in India.

    He was born in Pakistan. :lol:
    There wasn't a Pakistan when Butler was born; it was all India.
    Pakistan = Indian! :lol:
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited August 2015
    O/T:

    Clive James visit Trump Tower and meets Ivana Trump in 1994, (at 35 mins):

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DMiQMAi6M0
  • Calling all PB cricket fans.

    I was set this question yesterday, and I thought the answer was Lord Cowdrey, but it isn't.

    Which member of the House of Lords, past or present, had the highest test cricket average.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,731
    Danny565 said:

    @georgeeaton: Clegg is writing a book, I hear. Cable launching his latest at Lib Dem conference.

    Hopefully while launching it, he announces he is quitting as an MP so that we can get a tasty Sheffield Hallam by-election.
    Perhaps on reflection Clegg thinks that losing his seat wouldn't have been as bad as holding it!
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    I think the Conservative strategy on Corbyn will be to present him as a danger, not a joke - not a hard strategy to implement, of course. They will also want to tie the whole Labour Party into the disaster, whilst exploiting the civil war within Labour. They can achieve all of these by seizing every opportunity to call on sensible, moderate Labour figures to disown Corbyn's extremist views and ask why they are keeping him as leader. That should help cement him in place for a decent time.
  • I think the Conservative strategy on Corbyn will be to present him as a danger, not a joke - not a hard strategy to implement, of course. They will also want to tie the whole Labour Party into the disaster, whilst exploiting the civil war within Labour. They can achieve all of these by seizing every opportunity to call on sensible, moderate Labour figures to disown Corbyn's extremist views and ask why they are keeping him as leader. That should help cement him in place for a decent time.

    There's one PMQ scheduled four days after the result is announced, then we have the party conference season.

    I suspect Dave will make a grand gesture and say something like

    "Hands up if you wanted Corbyn as Labour leader?"

    I suspect the Conservative hands in the air will significantly outnumber the Labour hands
  • I think the Conservative strategy on Corbyn will be to present him as a danger, not a joke - not a hard strategy to implement, of course. They will also want to tie the whole Labour Party into the disaster, whilst exploiting the civil war within Labour. They can achieve all of these by seizing every opportunity to call on sensible, moderate Labour figures to disown Corbyn's extremist views and ask why they are keeping him as leader. That should help cement him in place for a decent time.

    Sounds about right. Anyone who voted for Corbyn for whatever reason are complicit in the damage his leadership will do, not just to the Labour party but to the UK's international standing generally; and anyone who brushes off his record and takes office under him deserves constant questioning about why.

  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited August 2015

    There's one PMQ scheduled four days after the result is announced, then we have the party conference season.

    I suspect Dave will make a grand gesture and say something like

    "Hands up if you wanted Corbyn as Labour leader?"

    I suspect the Conservative hands in the air will significantly outnumber the Labour hands

    I hope he takes the opportunity of congratulating the right hon member for Camberwell and Peckham on her remarkable stint as acting leader and says he is looking forward to her resuming the role as soon as possible.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417

    I think the Conservative strategy on Corbyn will be to present him as a danger, not a joke - not a hard strategy to implement, of course. They will also want to tie the whole Labour Party into the disaster, whilst exploiting the civil war within Labour. They can achieve all of these by seizing every opportunity to call on sensible, moderate Labour figures to disown Corbyn's extremist views and ask why they are keeping him as leader. That should help cement him in place for a decent time.

    There's one PMQ scheduled four days after the result is announced, then we have the party conference season.

    I suspect Dave will make a grand gesture and say something like

    "Hands up if you wanted Corbyn as Labour leader?"

    I suspect the Conservative hands in the air will significantly outnumber the Labour hands
    Will champers be allowed at party conference if Corbo makes it ?
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Is there going to be a Nuffield 2015 General Election Study book?
  • Pulpstar said:

    I think the Conservative strategy on Corbyn will be to present him as a danger, not a joke - not a hard strategy to implement, of course. They will also want to tie the whole Labour Party into the disaster, whilst exploiting the civil war within Labour. They can achieve all of these by seizing every opportunity to call on sensible, moderate Labour figures to disown Corbyn's extremist views and ask why they are keeping him as leader. That should help cement him in place for a decent time.

    There's one PMQ scheduled four days after the result is announced, then we have the party conference season.

    I suspect Dave will make a grand gesture and say something like

    "Hands up if you wanted Corbyn as Labour leader?"

    I suspect the Conservative hands in the air will significantly outnumber the Labour hands
    Will champers be allowed at party conference if Corbo makes it ?
    I expect every member of the Tory party, even the ones that don't drink, will be bringing a bottle or two of Nebuchadnezzar to Manchester.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    Calling all PB cricket fans.

    I was set this question yesterday, and I thought the answer was Lord Cowdrey, but it isn't.

    Which member of the House of Lords, past or present, had the highest test cricket average.

    Wondered about the Rev Sheppard but not high enough.
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