Female-only carriages are transparently sexist and should be resisted for that reason alone.
Reading through threads, a question: who is this Tim who keeps being mentioned? And "Ave it"?
I seem to remember, although it was a while ago and I have forgotten the details, that they were introduced on commuter lines (subways?) in Japan because men 'touched' (by which they meant basically, groped) women in mixed carriages. This, however, actually made the problem worse because the women only carriages filled up quickly and the women who then had to go in mixed carriages were molested even more.
Can't help but feel the same sort of thing would happen here, exacerbated by the idea of 'special treatment', and I agree with @TSE that the way around it is to deal with the idiots causing the problem in the first place.
Osborne and Brown are very alike. Both uber political, both ran successful electoral strategies, both widely celebrated for their genius five years into office as CoE.
Except for two major differences.
1) Osborne unlike Brown was given a very poor economic inheritance when he became Chancellor
2) Osborne has never sought to undermine his PM unlike Brown
On (1) Brown had 9/11 and the aftermath to deal with, which is more significant than anything Osborne has faced since 2010.
On (2) we don't know that for sure. At this stage of new Labour the public persona was all sweetness and light.
As an economic issue, 9/11 is nowhere near as serious as the Eurozone debt crisis. Gordon Brown had a good first term because he followed Conservative spending plans.
Complaint letter to the Peterborough Telegraph for mis-describing Mark Serwotka:
----------------- Complaint re transcription in today's Peterborough Evening Telegraph p10
Dear Editor,
As election agent for Mary Cooke, I wish to complain about your paper's change in Mary's description of her "hero" ( in response to your reporter's question) from "Mark Serwotka, General Secretary of the civil servants' Union" to what you actually printed "Mark Serwotka, General Secretary of the Soviet Union". It is difficult to see how this could have been a straightforward transcription error, but in any case the failure to check the piece prior to publication is also a very serious error.
Mary completely rejects the dictatorial Stalinist system and is a firm believer in the democratic control of society by the millions, not by the millionaires. For her to be maligned in this way just one week before polling deserves in our view a very prominent apology from yourself and from all your staff involved. We reserve the right to take this matter further unless this complaint is addressed to our satisfaction.
Biden would be running for one term only I'm guessing ?
73-77 doesn't sound that outlandishly old for a president to me actually - but 80+ is a bit old.
Mugabe said he'd consider running for another term I believe. He'd be 94.
Not sure how much he really runs things these days though.
Not sure he ever did 'run' things. He's been ruining quite a lot in the last 35 years, of course.
More seriously, I suspect the main reason he keeps going is he's terrified that should he lose power and his opponents get in, he will be put on trial and be at the very least be stripped of all his accumulated wealth.
As someone who has been racially abused on the train recently and the conductor told me that, violence and sexual attacks were on the rise, rather than having female/minority only trains how about focussing all our energies on dealing with these idiots instead.
Osborne and Brown are very alike. Both uber political, both ran successful electoral strategies, both widely celebrated for their genius five years into office as CoE.
Except for two major differences.
1) Osborne unlike Brown was given a very poor economic inheritance when he became Chancellor
2) Osborne has never sought to undermine his PM unlike Brown
On (1) Brown had 9/11 and the aftermath to deal with, which is more significant than anything Osborne has faced since 2010.
On (2) we don't know that for sure. At this stage of new Labour the public persona was all sweetness and light.
Nope. Brown from the very start kept things from Blair, such as things he would do in his budget.
We simply do not know yet what has been going on in Cameron's Downing St. I imagine the Coalition kept them together in the past five years.
Maybe. Up to now the impression has been quite harmonious and complimentary, but we shall see.
Complaint letter to the Peterborough Telegraph for mis-describing Mark Serwotka:
----------------- Complaint re transcription in today's Peterborough Evening Telegraph p10
Dear Editor,
As election agent for Mary Cooke, I wish to complain about your paper's change in Mary's description of her "hero" ( in response to your reporter's question) from "Mark Serwotka, General Secretary of the civil servants' Union" to what you actually printed "Mark Serwotka, General Secretary of the Soviet Union". It is difficult to see how this could have been a straightforward transcription error, but in any case the failure to check the piece prior to publication is also a very serious error.
Mary completely rejects the dictatorial Stalinist system and is a firm believer in the democratic control of society by the millions, not by the millionaires. For her to be maligned in this way just one week before polling deserves in our view a very prominent apology from yourself and from all your staff involved. We reserve the right to take this matter further unless this complaint is addressed to our satisfaction.
"Mark Serwotka, General Secretary of the Soviet Union"...Mary completely rejects the dictatorial Stalinist system and is a firm believer in the democratic control of society by the millions, not by the millionaires.
Well, that's certainly a complete rejection of the Soviet system!
(In fairness to Stalin, he lived very simply and did not amass great personal wealth - but some of his successors, oh boy!)
Female-only carriages are transparently sexist and should be resisted for that reason alone.
Reading through threads, a question: who is this Tim who keeps being mentioned? And "Ave it"?
Tim is late of this parish, but maintains an 'entertaining' twitter account. Ave it, famous for predicting 'CON gain Bootle', and all round throughly good egg.
Ave It would repeatedly tell us how the Conservatives were on for a majority.. And we just laughed....
Female-only carriages are transparently sexist and should be resisted for that reason alone.
Reading through threads, a question: who is this Tim who keeps being mentioned? And "Ave it"?
Tim is late of this parish, but maintains an 'entertaining' twitter account. Ave it, famous for predicting 'CON gain Bootle', and all round throughly good egg.
Ave It would repeatedly tell us how the Conservatives were on for a majority.. And we just laughed....
Well, the size of the majority was often a tad optimistic!
On topic, if Trump scores as he's polling then he's a shoo-in. However, there's a long time to go for him to put his foot in it between now and January. That said, the field really needs to develop a challenger. 25-30% is not particularly hot in and of itself except where the alternatives are struggling to reach double figures. Were his lead 33-28 over someone, the race would look very different.
Female-only carriages are transparently sexist and should be resisted for that reason alone.
Reading through threads, a question: who is this Tim who keeps being mentioned? And "Ave it"?
I seem to remember, although it was a while ago and I have forgotten the details, that they were introduced on commuter lines (subways?) in Japan because men 'touched' (by which they meant basically, groped) women in mixed carriages. This, however, actually made the problem worse because the women only carriages filled up quickly and the women who then had to go in mixed carriages were molested even more.
Can't help but feel the same sort of thing would happen here, exacerbated by the idea of 'special treatment', and I agree with @TSE that the way around it is to deal with the idiots causing the problem in the first place.
Nonsense, moving the problem is exactly the same thing as solving the problem.
Female-only carriages are transparently sexist and should be resisted for that reason alone.
Reading through threads, a question: who is this Tim who keeps being mentioned? And "Ave it"?
I seem to remember, although it was a while ago and I have forgotten the details, that they were introduced on commuter lines (subways?) in Japan because men 'touched' (by which they meant basically, groped) women in mixed carriages. This, however, actually made the problem worse because the women only carriages filled up quickly and the women who then had to go in mixed carriages were molested even more.
Can't help but feel the same sort of thing would happen here, exacerbated by the idea of 'special treatment', and I agree with @TSE that the way around it is to deal with the idiots causing the problem in the first place.
Sounds accurate. The idea that on the tube in rush hour, say, one gender should be more entitled to seats than the other is unlikely to be received with equanimity.
Biden would be running for one term only I'm guessing ?
73-77 doesn't sound that outlandishly old for a president to me actually - but 80+ is a bit old.
Oldest president was Reagan, 77 (nearly 78) in 1989. Next oldest was Eisenhower, 70 in 1961. No other president has been over 70 while in office, never mind when elected.
I've been harping on about this and told it may not matter this time. If the candidates are Clinton/Biden and Trump, of course, it surely won't unless an independent with broad appeal and loads of cash emerges. And the only one who's been mentioned in that context is Bloomberg, who is also in his 70s!
If the two main party nominees are Trump and Sanders Bloomberg may well run as an independent and don't forget he is even richer than Trump and worth about $35 billion to Trump's $8 billion
So in that case the choice would be between two blokes aged around 74 and one aged around 70?
Well you've got to hand it to the US, if that comes off they'll doing their bit to extend the working age to deal with the international pensions crisis!
Certainly and a great boost to those who value experience and not just youth
Biden would be running for one term only I'm guessing ?
73-77 doesn't sound that outlandishly old for a president to me actually - but 80+ is a bit old.
Oldest president was Reagan, 77 (nearly 78) in 1989. Next oldest was Eisenhower, 70 in 1961. No other president has been over 70 while in office, never mind when elected.
I've been harping on about this and told it may not matter this time. If the candidates are Clinton/Biden and Trump, of course, it surely won't unless an independent with broad appeal and loads of cash emerges. And the only one who's been mentioned in that context is Bloomberg, who is also in his 70s!
If the two main party nominees are Trump and Sanders Bloomberg may well run as an independent and don't forget he is even richer than Trump and worth about $35 billion to Trump's $8 billion
So in that case the choice would be between two blokes aged around 74 and one aged around 70?
Well you've got to hand it to the US, if that comes off they'll doing their bit to extend the working age to deal with the international pensions crisis!
Not to mention avoiding recession on the back of a booming advertising sector....
Female-only carriages are transparently sexist and should be resisted for that reason alone.
Reading through threads, a question: who is this Tim who keeps being mentioned? And "Ave it"?
I seem to remember, although it was a while ago and I have forgotten the details, that they were introduced on commuter lines (subways?) in Japan because men 'touched' (by which they meant basically, groped) women in mixed carriages. This, however, actually made the problem worse because the women only carriages filled up quickly and the women who then had to go in mixed carriages were molested even more.
Can't help but feel the same sort of thing would happen here, exacerbated by the idea of 'special treatment', and I agree with @TSE that the way around it is to deal with the idiots causing the problem in the first place.
Nonsense, moving the problem is exactly the same thing as solving the problem.
I resent the idea that I should be forced to share a carriage with a degenerate, yet all the women get to go in their own nice safe carriage.
Biden would be running for one term only I'm guessing ?
73-77 doesn't sound that outlandishly old for a president to me actually - but 80+ is a bit old.
Mugabe said he'd consider running for another term I believe. He'd be 94.
Not sure how much he really runs things these days though.
Not sure he ever did 'run' things. He's been ruining quite a lot in the last 35 years, of course.
More seriously, I suspect the main reason he keeps going is he's terrified that should he lose power and his opponents get in, he will be put on trial and be at the very least be stripped of all his accumulated wealth.
Well supposedly his wife is lining herself up as a successor. Given she's 30+ years younger at least and used to be his secretary, if she manages to do that and hold on to power, it would be an impressive plan to ha pave seen through.
it is not as if Labour would be insane enough to elect a leader whose answer to everything is more investment/spending by the State is it?
As opposed to what? Osborne's genius is to have convinced everyone he is running a surplus, paying down debt, and regulating the City. He is doing none of these things.
Osborne has convinced everyone that he intends to do all of those things as soon as he can, rather than 'he is doing them'. Miliband, on the other hand, gave the impression that he intended to none of those things apart from the last, and he intended to do it in a way that caused the maximum number of banks to decamp to Hong Kong and Geneva.
As a man said when putting on running shoes while he and his friend were being chased by a bear: 'It doesn't matter if I'm faster than the bear, I only have to be faster than you.'
The incoherence of Balls shines through. "Osborne is cutting too far too fast, and not paying off the debt". The voters didn't buy that last parliament and they are not going to buy it this one.
Corbyn is at least consistent. He cares little for growth or debt, just wants to borrow or print money and spend. That should pretty certainly result in devaluation and inflation.
Borrow or print money, eh? How does that differ from what Osborne is doing right now, and has been doing for the past five years?
Multiply it by at least 10 for Corbyn.
To go with the bear escape analogy: running shoes are not required. A gentle stroll in flip flops is all that is fine. Corbyn is running towards the bear smearing himself in honey.
Would be a rather ironic way for a vegetarian to go....
And as ever, Shakespeare would have been so prescient: Exit Left, pursued by a bear...
"Mark Serwotka, General Secretary of the Soviet Union"...Mary completely rejects the dictatorial Stalinist system and is a firm believer in the democratic control of society by the millions, not by the millionaires.
On the subject of Serwotka, it seems he's had his vote rejected in Labour's leadership contest. How is it credibly possible to exclude him for not sharing Labour's values, when a candidate - indeed, the favourite to win - shares the same views and policies?
If Serwotka's values are incompatible with Labour then surely Corbyn should be expelled? Or is 'remaining a member of the club' more important than the policies espoused?
Mr. Herdson, it also means that if Corbyn loses, especially by a narrow margin, that the disgruntled have a very loud voice with (it seems) a legitimate grievance about the process.
All the four candidates may have agreed not to take legal action regardless of the result, but that still leaves many others who might take it to court.
Female-only carriages are transparently sexist and should be resisted for that reason alone.
Reading through threads, a question: who is this Tim who keeps being mentioned? And "Ave it"?
I seem to remember, although it was a while ago and I have forgotten the details, that they were introduced on commuter lines (subways?) in Japan because men 'touched' (by which they meant basically, groped) women in mixed carriages. This, however, actually made the problem worse because the women only carriages filled up quickly and the women who then had to go in mixed carriages were molested even more.
Can't help but feel the same sort of thing would happen here, exacerbated by the idea of 'special treatment', and I agree with @TSE that the way around it is to deal with the idiots causing the problem in the first place.
Nonsense, moving the problem is exactly the same thing as solving the problem.
I resent the idea that I should be forced to share a carriage with a degenerate, yet all the women get to go in their own nice safe carriage.
I demand all men carriages where we can leave socks on the floor and toilet seat is always up.
"Mark Serwotka, General Secretary of the Soviet Union"...Mary completely rejects the dictatorial Stalinist system and is a firm believer in the democratic control of society by the millions, not by the millionaires.
On the subject of Serwotka, it seems he's had his vote rejected in Labour's leadership contest. How is it credibly possible to exclude him for not sharing Labour's values, when a candidate - indeed, the favourite to win - shares the same views and policies?
If Serwotka's values are incompatible with Labour then surely Corbyn should be expelled? Or is 'remaining a member of the club' more important than the policies espoused?
Isn't it because he supported another party at the previous election?
A friend of ours necked half a bottle of Cuban rum at the security check at Moscow, and then shared the rest around her fellow passengers. So no party night for the security guys that night.
Biden would be running for one term only I'm guessing ?
73-77 doesn't sound that outlandishly old for a president to me actually - but 80+ is a bit old.
Oldest president was Reagan, 77 (nearly 78) in 1989. Next oldest was Eisenhower, 70 in 1961. No other president has been over 70 while in office, never mind when elected.
I've been harping on about this and told it may not matter this time. If the candidates are Clinton/Biden and Trump, of course, it surely won't unless an independent with broad appeal and loads of cash emerges. And the only one who's been mentioned in that context is Bloomberg, who is also in his 70s!
If the two main party nominees are Trump and Sanders Bloomberg may well run as an independent and don't forget he is even richer than Trump and worth about $35 billion to Trump's $8 billion
So in that case the choice would be between two blokes aged around 74 and one aged around 70?
Well you've got to hand it to the US, if that comes off they'll doing their bit to extend the working age to deal with the international pensions crisis!
Certainly and a great boost to those who value experience and not just youth
I would also have to eat some recent words that have passed between us about Margaret Beckett, a mere 72 years young! Should that ever come to pass, could you make the letters out of sponge cake please? Too much chocolate is bad for me!
"Mark Serwotka, General Secretary of the Soviet Union"...Mary completely rejects the dictatorial Stalinist system and is a firm believer in the democratic control of society by the millions, not by the millionaires.
On the subject of Serwotka, it seems he's had his vote rejected in Labour's leadership contest. How is it credibly possible to exclude him for not sharing Labour's values, when a candidate - indeed, the favourite to win - shares the same views and policies?
If Serwotka's values are incompatible with Labour then surely Corbyn should be expelled? Or is 'remaining a member of the club' more important than the policies espoused?
The General Secretary of The Soviet Union had voted Green.
"In an interview with the New Statesman in 2011, he said he had voted for the Green Party in the 2010 election and added: "Growing up in Wales, it was Labour, Labour, Labour. But [since] its move rightwards and embrace of the markets, Labour doesn't speak for me." Mr Serwotka is among 3,200 people who have been prevented from voting in the leadership election after signing up as affiliated members."
So sinners cannot repent in time to vote for Corbyn or any other holy fool.
Female-only carriages are transparently sexist and should be resisted for that reason alone.
Reading through threads, a question: who is this Tim who keeps being mentioned? And "Ave it"?
I seem to remember, although it was a while ago and I have forgotten the details, that they were introduced on commuter lines (subways?) in Japan because men 'touched' (by which they meant basically, groped) women in mixed carriages. This, however, actually made the problem worse because the women only carriages filled up quickly and the women who then had to go in mixed carriages were molested even more.
Can't help but feel the same sort of thing would happen here, exacerbated by the idea of 'special treatment', and I agree with @TSE that the way around it is to deal with the idiots causing the problem in the first place.
Nonsense, moving the problem is exactly the same thing as solving the problem.
I resent the idea that I should be forced to share a carriage with a degenerate, yet all the women get to go in their own nice safe carriage.
I demand all men carriages where we can leave socks on the floor and toilet seat is always up.
All my dirty socks are in the linen basket, thank-you-very-much. No comment on the toilet seat..
Female-only carriages are transparently sexist and should be resisted for that reason alone.
Reading through threads, a question: who is this Tim who keeps being mentioned? And "Ave it"?
I seem to remember, although it was a while ago and I have forgotten the details, that they were introduced on commuter lines (subways?) in Japan because men 'touched' (by which they meant basically, groped) women in mixed carriages. This, however, actually made the problem worse because the women only carriages filled up quickly and the women who then had to go in mixed carriages were molested even more.
Can't help but feel the same sort of thing would happen here, exacerbated by the idea of 'special treatment', and I agree with @TSE that the way around it is to deal with the idiots causing the problem in the first place.
Nonsense, moving the problem is exactly the same thing as solving the problem.
I resent the idea that I should be forced to share a carriage with a degenerate, yet all the women get to go in their own nice safe carriage.
I demand all men carriages where we can leave socks on the floor and toilet seat is always up.
I'm fortunate that I have a bladder the size of the Sahara.
"Mark Serwotka, General Secretary of the Soviet Union"...Mary completely rejects the dictatorial Stalinist system and is a firm believer in the democratic control of society by the millions, not by the millionaires.
On the subject of Serwotka, it seems he's had his vote rejected in Labour's leadership contest. How is it credibly possible to exclude him for not sharing Labour's values, when a candidate - indeed, the favourite to win - shares the same views and policies?
If Serwotka's values are incompatible with Labour then surely Corbyn should be expelled? Or is 'remaining a member of the club' more important than the policies espoused?
I would guess because Corbyn is a full member and Serwotka is only an affiliate.
However, it is very careless of Harman not to use this helpful little statement to have Corbyn disqualified from the race.
Female-only carriages are transparently sexist and should be resisted for that reason alone.
Reading through threads, a question: who is this Tim who keeps being mentioned? And "Ave it"?
I seem to remember, although it was a while ago and I have forgotten the details, that they were introduced on commuter lines (subways?) in Japan because men 'touched' (by which they meant basically, groped) women in mixed carriages. This, however, actually made the problem worse because the women only carriages filled up quickly and the women who then had to go in mixed carriages were molested even more.
Can't help but feel the same sort of thing would happen here, exacerbated by the idea of 'special treatment', and I agree with @TSE that the way around it is to deal with the idiots causing the problem in the first place.
Nonsense, moving the problem is exactly the same thing as solving the problem.
I resent the idea that I should be forced to share a carriage with a degenerate, yet all the women get to go in their own nice safe carriage.
I demand all men carriages where we can leave socks on the floor and toilet seat is always up.
Female-only carriages are transparently sexist and should be resisted for that reason alone.
Reading through threads, a question: who is this Tim who keeps being mentioned? And "Ave it"?
I seem to remember, although it was a while ago and I have forgotten the details, that they were introduced on commuter lines (subways?) in Japan because men 'touched' (by which they meant basically, groped) women in mixed carriages. This, however, actually made the problem worse because the women only carriages filled up quickly and the women who then had to go in mixed carriages were molested even more.
Can't help but feel the same sort of thing would happen here, exacerbated by the idea of 'special treatment', and I agree with @TSE that the way around it is to deal with the idiots causing the problem in the first place.
Nonsense, moving the problem is exactly the same thing as solving the problem.
I resent the idea that I should be forced to share a carriage with a degenerate, yet all the women get to go in their own nice safe carriage.
I demand all men carriages where we can leave socks on the floor and toilet seat is always up.
I'm fortunate that I have a bladder the size of the Sahara.
"Mark Serwotka, General Secretary of the Soviet Union"...Mary completely rejects the dictatorial Stalinist system and is a firm believer in the democratic control of society by the millions, not by the millionaires.
On the subject of Serwotka, it seems he's had his vote rejected in Labour's leadership contest. How is it credibly possible to exclude him for not sharing Labour's values, when a candidate - indeed, the favourite to win - shares the same views and policies?
If Serwotka's values are incompatible with Labour then surely Corbyn should be expelled? Or is 'remaining a member of the club' more important than the policies espoused?
Isn't it because he supported another party at the previous election?
The statement that £3ers are asked to sign is about values. In what way do Serwotka's values differ from Corbyn's?
Female-only carriages are transparently sexist and should be resisted for that reason alone.
Reading through threads, a question: who is this Tim who keeps being mentioned? And "Ave it"?
I seem to remember, although it was a while ago and I have forgotten the details, that they were introduced on commuter lines (subways?) in Japan because men 'touched' (by which they meant basically, groped) women in mixed carriages. This, however, actually made the problem worse because the women only carriages filled up quickly and the women who then had to go in mixed carriages were molested even more.
Can't help but feel the same sort of thing would happen here, exacerbated by the idea of 'special treatment', and I agree with @TSE that the way around it is to deal with the idiots causing the problem in the first place.
Nonsense, moving the problem is exactly the same thing as solving the problem.
I resent the idea that I should be forced to share a carriage with a degenerate, yet all the women get to go in their own nice safe carriage.
I demand all men carriages where we can leave socks on the floor and toilet seat is always up.
"Mark Serwotka, General Secretary of the Soviet Union"...Mary completely rejects the dictatorial Stalinist system and is a firm believer in the democratic control of society by the millions, not by the millionaires.
On the subject of Serwotka, it seems he's had his vote rejected in Labour's leadership contest. How is it credibly possible to exclude him for not sharing Labour's values, when a candidate - indeed, the favourite to win - shares the same views and policies?
If Serwotka's values are incompatible with Labour then surely Corbyn should be expelled? Or is 'remaining a member of the club' more important than the policies espoused?
Isn't it because he supported another party at the previous election?
The statement that £3ers are asked to sign is about values. In what way do Serwotka's values differ from Corbyn's?
They don't - but Corbyn as a full member doesn't have to sign it, I believe. Serwotka does, and his 'values' (whatever that means) don't appear to match Harriet's.
Of course there was a case where a full member of some years' standing, CLP organiser no less, was also disbarred, but I wondered if that might be in mistake for another person in the same area with the same name.
Female-only carriages are transparently sexist and should be resisted for that reason alone.
Reading through threads, a question: who is this Tim who keeps being mentioned? And "Ave it"?
I seem to remember, although it was a while ago and I have forgotten the details, that they were introduced on commuter lines (subways?) in Japan because men 'touched' (by which they meant basically, groped) women in mixed carriages. This, however, actually made the problem worse because the women only carriages filled up quickly and the women who then had to go in mixed carriages were molested even more.
Can't help but feel the same sort of thing would happen here, exacerbated by the idea of 'special treatment', and I agree with @TSE that the way around it is to deal with the idiots causing the problem in the first place.
Nonsense, moving the problem is exactly the same thing as solving the problem.
I resent the idea that I should be forced to share a carriage with a degenerate, yet all the women get to go in their own nice safe carriage.
I demand all men carriages where we can leave socks on the floor and toilet seat is always up.
I'm fortunate that I have a bladder the size of the Sahara.
Train toilets are minging.
I'd rather soil myself than use a train toilet.
How often has that happened ?
I've certainly had to go in some unusual places when caught short over the course of the years.
Female-only carriages are transparently sexist and should be resisted for that reason alone.
Reading through threads, a question: who is this Tim who keeps being mentioned? And "Ave it"?
I seem to remember, although it was a while ago and I have forgotten the details, that they were introduced on commuter lines (subways?) in Japan because men 'touched' (by which they meant basically, groped) women in mixed carriages. This, however, actually made the problem worse because the women only carriages filled up quickly and the women who then had to go in mixed carriages were molested even more.
Can't help but feel the same sort of thing would happen here, exacerbated by the idea of 'special treatment', and I agree with @TSE that the way around it is to deal with the idiots causing the problem in the first place.
Nonsense, moving the problem is exactly the same thing as solving the problem.
I resent the idea that I should be forced to share a carriage with a degenerate, yet all the women get to go in their own nice safe carriage.
I demand all men carriages where we can leave socks on the floor and toilet seat is always up.
I'm fortunate that I have a bladder the size of the Sahara.
Train toilets are minging.
I'd rather soil myself than use a train toilet.
How often has that happened ?
I've certainly had to go in some unusual places when caught short over the course of the years.
"Mark Serwotka, General Secretary of the Soviet Union"...Mary completely rejects the dictatorial Stalinist system and is a firm believer in the democratic control of society by the millions, not by the millionaires.
On the subject of Serwotka, it seems he's had his vote rejected in Labour's leadership contest. How is it credibly possible to exclude him for not sharing Labour's values, when a candidate - indeed, the favourite to win - shares the same views and policies?
If Serwotka's values are incompatible with Labour then surely Corbyn should be expelled? Or is 'remaining a member of the club' more important than the policies espoused?
Has Corbyn ever publicly advocated people vote against Labour candidates? That may actually be Labour's best chance of saving itself.
Biden would be running for one term only I'm guessing ?
73-77 doesn't sound that outlandishly old for a president to me actually - but 80+ is a bit old.
Oldest president was Reagan, 77 (nearly 78) in 1989. Next oldest was Eisenhower, 70 in 1961. No other president has been over 70 while in office, never mind when elected.
I've been harping on about this and told it may not matter this time. If the candidates are Clinton/Biden and Trump, of course, it surely won't unless an independent with broad appeal and loads of cash emerges. And the only one who's been mentioned in that context is Bloomberg, who is also in his 70s!
If the two main party nominees are Trump and Sanders Bloomberg may well run as an independent and don't forget he is even richer than Trump and worth about $35 billion to Trump's $8 billion
If the two main parties chose Trump and Sanders then an Independent Bloomberg could well walk it.
Female-only carriages are transparently sexist and should be resisted for that reason alone.
Reading through threads, a question: who is this Tim who keeps being mentioned? And "Ave it"?
I seem to remember, although it was a while ago and I have forgotten the details, that they were introduced on commuter lines (subways?) in Japan because men 'touched' (by which they meant basically, groped) women in mixed carriages. This, however, actually made the problem worse because the women only carriages filled up quickly and the women who then had to go in mixed carriages were molested even more.
Can't help but feel the same sort of thing would happen here, exacerbated by the idea of 'special treatment', and I agree with @TSE that the way around it is to deal with the idiots causing the problem in the first place.
Nonsense, moving the problem is exactly the same thing as solving the problem.
I resent the idea that I should be forced to share a carriage with a degenerate, yet all the women get to go in their own nice safe carriage.
I demand all men carriages where we can leave socks on the floor and toilet seat is always up.
And no bloody scatter cushions....
;;;;;and the dining car only gives you 1 minute to make up your mind what you want to eat so you can't hang over the menu for twenty minutes, and the bar only accepts payment in full pounds so you can't hold everyone up looking for exactly the right change in 1 pence pieces in your purse.
Female-only carriages are transparently sexist and should be resisted for that reason alone.
Reading through threads, a question: who is this Tim who keeps being mentioned? And "Ave it"?
I seem to remember, although it was a while ago and I have forgotten the details, that they were introduced on commuter lines (subways?) in Japan because men 'touched' (by which they meant basically, groped) women in mixed carriages. This, however, actually made the problem worse because the women only carriages filled up quickly and the women who then had to go in mixed carriages were molested even more.
Can't help but feel the same sort of thing would happen here, exacerbated by the idea of 'special treatment', and I agree with @TSE that the way around it is to deal with the idiots causing the problem in the first place.
Nonsense, moving the problem is exactly the same thing as solving the problem.
I resent the idea that I should be forced to share a carriage with a degenerate, yet all the women get to go in their own nice safe carriage.
I demand all men carriages where we can leave socks on the floor and toilet seat is always up.
I'm fortunate that I have a bladder the size of the Sahara.
Train toilets are minging.
I'd rather soil myself than use a train toilet.
How often has that happened ?
I've certainly had to go in some unusual places when caught short over the course of the years.
Never. Plus I have a phobia of public toilets in general, so I know how to pace myself and hold it in
On these gender-segregated carriages for women, what are the perpetrator numbers for same sex sexual and verbal abuse on the Tube?
On the question of Domestic Violence, which is the closest (and not very good) analogy I can think of, patterns are not dissimilar but widely unacknowedged and not well researched.
On a related note, there was a piece on Look North recently about Rotherham victims, but it only referred to girls/women, despite a third of victims being male.
Female-only carriages are transparently sexist and should be resisted for that reason alone.
Reading through threads, a question: who is this Tim who keeps being mentioned? And "Ave it"?
I seem to remember, although it was a while ago and I have forgotten the details, that they were introduced on commuter lines (subways?) in Japan because men 'touched' (by which they meant basically, groped) women in mixed carriages. This, however, actually made the problem worse because the women only carriages filled up quickly and the women who then had to go in mixed carriages were molested even more.
Can't help but feel the same sort of thing would happen here, exacerbated by the idea of 'special treatment', and I agree with @TSE that the way around it is to deal with the idiots causing the problem in the first place.
Nonsense, moving the problem is exactly the same thing as solving the problem.
I resent the idea that I should be forced to share a carriage with a degenerate, yet all the women get to go in their own nice safe carriage.
I demand all men carriages where we can leave socks on the floor and toilet seat is always up.
I'm fortunate that I have a bladder the size of the Sahara.
Train toilets are minging.
I'd rather soil myself than use a train toilet.
How often has that happened ?
I've certainly had to go in some unusual places when caught short over the course of the years.
Never. Plus I have a phobia of public toilets in general, so I know how to pace myself and hold it in
Are you one of these PB female bloggers who everyone thinks is a man ?
Female-only carriages are transparently sexist and should be resisted for that reason alone.
Reading through threads, a question: who is this Tim who keeps being mentioned? And "Ave it"?
I seem to remember, although it was a while ago and I have forgotten the details, that they were introduced on commuter lines (subways?) in Japan because men 'touched' (by which they meant basically, groped) women in mixed carriages. This, however, actually made the problem worse because the women only carriages filled up quickly and the women who then had to go in mixed carriages were molested even more.
Can't help but feel the same sort of thing would happen here, exacerbated by the idea of 'special treatment', and I agree with @TSE that the way around it is to deal with the idiots causing the problem in the first place.
Nonsense, moving the problem is exactly the same thing as solving the problem.
I resent the idea that I should be forced to share a carriage with a degenerate, yet all the women get to go in their own nice safe carriage.
I demand all men carriages where we can leave socks on the floor and toilet seat is always up.
And no bloody scatter cushions....
;;;;;and the dining car only gives you 1 minute to make up your mind what you want to eat so you can't hang over the menu for twenty minutes, and the bar only accepts payment in full pounds so you can't hold everyone up looking for exactly the right change in 1 pence pieces in your purse.
And you have to have got your purse ready to pay, whilst waiting in the queue. Not at the last minute as if it's an unexpected event.
Female-only carriages are transparently sexist and should be resisted for that reason alone.
Reading through threads, a question: who is this Tim who keeps being mentioned? And "Ave it"?
I seem to remember, although it was a while ago and I have forgotten the details, that they were introduced on commuter lines (subways?) in Japan because men 'touched' (by which they meant basically, groped) women in mixed carriages. This, however, actually made the problem worse because the women only carriages filled up quickly and the women who then had to go in mixed carriages were molested even more.
Can't help but feel the same sort of thing would happen here, exacerbated by the idea of 'special treatment', and I agree with @TSE that the way around it is to deal with the idiots causing the problem in the first place.
Nonsense, moving the problem is exactly the same thing as solving the problem.
I resent the idea that I should be forced to share a carriage with a degenerate, yet all the women get to go in their own nice safe carriage.
I demand all men carriages where we can leave socks on the floor and toilet seat is always up.
And no bloody scatter cushions....
;;;;;and the dining car only gives you 1 minute to make up your mind what you want to eat so you can't hang over the menu for twenty minutes, and the bar only accepts payment in full pounds so you can't hold everyone up looking for exactly the right change in 1 pence pieces in your purse.
;;;;;and the stations should have "Women only" parking areas....that should save us a few days over a lifetime.
I've just caught up with the last thread debate about female carriages.
It's absurd. I saw it pop up on my RSS just before I went to bed and was so WTF??!?! I clicked on the story to see if it was serious.
@HurstLlama mentioned the Ladies Waiting Room on Haywards Heath station in the 90s - I occasionally sat in there when it was freezing cold, but it had the loos in the same room, so it was more of a Toilet Antechamber...and unsurprisingly smelly. It used to have a fireplace too - but blocked up.
Female-only carriages are transparently sexist and should be resisted for that reason alone.
Reading through threads, a question: who is this Tim who keeps being mentioned? And "Ave it"?
I seem to remember, although it was a while ago and I have forgotten the details, that they were introduced on commuter lines (subways?) in Japan because men 'touched' (by which they meant basically, groped) women in mixed carriages. This, however, actually made the problem worse because the women only carriages filled up quickly and the women who then had to go in mixed carriages were molested even more.
Can't help but feel the same sort of thing would happen here, exacerbated by the idea of 'special treatment', and I agree with @TSE that the way around it is to deal with the idiots causing the problem in the first place.
Nonsense, moving the problem is exactly the same thing as solving the problem.
I resent the idea that I should be forced to share a carriage with a degenerate, yet all the women get to go in their own nice safe carriage.
I demand all men carriages where we can leave socks on the floor and toilet seat is always up.
And no bloody scatter cushions....
;;;;;and the dining car only gives you 1 minute to make up your mind what you want to eat so you can't hang over the menu for twenty minutes, and the bar only accepts payment in full pounds so you can't hold everyone up looking for exactly the right change in 1 pence pieces in your purse.
;;;;;and the stations should have "Women only" parking areas....that should save us a few days over a lifetime.
I've just caught up with the last thread debate about female carriages.
It's absurd. I saw it pop up on my RSS just before I went to bed and was so WTF??!?! I clicked on the story to see if it was serious.
@HurstLlama mentioned the Ladies Waiting Room on Haywards Heath station in the 90s - I occasionally sat in there when it was freezing cold, but it had the loos in the same room, so it was more of a Toilet Antechamber...and unsurprisingly smelly. It used to have a fireplace too - but blocked up.
In addition to female-only carriages Jezbollah wants to set up a 24-hour train grope hotline. Could this be Major's traffic cone hotline all over again? This kind of thing is usually reserved for deeply unpopular parties floundering before an election... oh wait!
If the two main parties chose Trump and Sanders then an Independent Bloomberg could well walk it. ' It would be like Cameron v Farage and Corbyn even Jeb and Hillary might secretly vote for Bloomberg
I've just caught up with the last thread debate about female carriages.
It's absurd. I saw it pop up on my RSS just before I went to bed and was so WTF??!?! I clicked on the story to see if it was serious.
@HurstLlama mentioned the Ladies Waiting Room on Haywards Heath station in the 90s - I occasionally sat in there when it was freezing cold, but it had the loos in the same room, so it was more of a Toilet Antechamber...and unsurprisingly smelly. It used to have a fireplace too - but blocked up.
Female-only carriages are transparently sexist and should be resisted for that reason alone.
Reading through threads, a question: who is this Tim who keeps being mentioned? And "Ave it"?
I seem to remember, although it was a while ago and I have forgotten the details, that they were introduced on commuter lines (subways?) in Japan because men 'touched' (by which they meant basically, groped) women in mixed carriages. This, however, actually made the problem worse because the women only carriages filled up quickly and the women who then had to go in mixed carriages were molested even more.
Can't help but feel the same sort of thing would happen here, exacerbated by the idea of 'special treatment', and I agree with @TSE that the way around it is to deal with the idiots causing the problem in the first place.
Nonsense, moving the problem is exactly the same thing as solving the problem.
I resent the idea that I should be forced to share a carriage with a degenerate, yet all the women get to go in their own nice safe carriage.
I demand all men carriages where we can leave socks on the floor and toilet seat is always up.
I'm fortunate that I have a bladder the size of the Sahara.
Train toilets are minging.
I'd rather soil myself than use a train toilet.
How often has that happened ?
I've certainly had to go in some unusual places when caught short over the course of the years.
Never. Plus I have a phobia of public toilets in general, so I know how to pace myself and hold it in
Are you one of these PB female bloggers who everyone thinks is a man ?
In recent years/ quite a few friends of mine have started to call me Dorothy.
I stopped reading Oborne a couple of years ago as he just disagrees with himself to create clickbait - how he was EVER awarded Journalist of the the Year or whatever is beyond me.
The Oborne article really is incoherent gibberish and contains no useful information at all.
That said, it is true that the government has taken a risk (to optimise growth) with the pace of deficit reduction and the consequential rebalancing of the economy. The plan back to balance is contingent upon there not being another world recession within the next 5 years and that is undoubtedly a gamble where the odds are less good than they were, if still probably odds on, just.
If only he had listened to Ed Balls when he was arguing that Osborne was not going fast enough or far enough on deficit reduction. If only he was listening to the critique of the Labour leadership contenders and the importance of genuine austerity to protect our economy from future risk. I mean it is not as if Labour would be insane enough to elect a leader whose answer to everything is more investment/spending by the State is it?
Women only compartments date back to the 1940s/50s when many trains did not have a corridor. So you had to stay in the compartment and could only move when the train stopped at a station as both sides of the compartment had a door. Of course the emergency cord was an option (if it worked).
In the same era, there was at large businesses, director's dining room, staff (white collar) canteen and factory (blue collar) canteen. The excuse was that the factory people had dirty clothes.
There were also workmen's trains (wooden seats) and the early morning milk trains and the mail and newspaper trains.
However, if we continue to immigrate more people who come from very different cultures to ours where women are almost regarded as second class citizens and even as sexual objects (e.g. Rotherham, Oxford etc) , then there may be a need to return to gender classes on many forms of transport.
That article may be the one and only piece by Penny Red that I've ever agreed with.
What the party has done so far is panic in a manner so incoherent and undignified that the Tories have marvelled, finishing the popcorn and starting on the dodgy dips as they watch the chaos unfold. We are told that a “Free French” resistance is being plotted within the Labour Party. The image of Blairites and vacillating former Miliblands as a “resistance movement” is worth savouring. What on earth would their slogans be? “What do we want? Strategic capitulation to the centre right with a view to contesting an election in five years!” “When do we want it? Subject to legal review!”
I've just caught up with the last thread debate about female carriages.
It's absurd. I saw it pop up on my RSS just before I went to bed and was so WTF??!?! I clicked on the story to see if it was serious.
@HurstLlama mentioned the Ladies Waiting Room on Haywards Heath station in the 90s - I occasionally sat in there when it was freezing cold, but it had the loos in the same room, so it was more of a Toilet Antechamber...and unsurprisingly smelly. It used to have a fireplace too - but blocked up.
BBC have pipped TSE to the post with their description of AV at the bottom of that article... he's not going to have a good morning
I'm in two minds over this, although veering towards it being a silly idea. There seem two aspects: the moral questions about segregation, and the practical about how it would work.
Looking at the first, it is the behaviour that needs to be challenged. Some commentators are confusing two issues: verbal abuse is far more common than physical abuse.
If you look at the figures - page 14 of (1), it should be noted that a small number of complainants are male: and this will be under-reported, especially for verbal abuse. The recent rise might be down to a campaign to encourage reporting of these offences, (2) but the number of offences reported against men has decreased, which seems slightly odd.
Looking at the second, it will cost money, and may reduce capacity on services. If it does, then perhaps the money would be best spent on more policing and getting people who feel that they've been abused to complain. There are cameras in carriages nowadays, and on platforms. It should be easy to find the suspects, especially repeat offenders.
This is working around the problem, not trying to solve it. Worse, it sends messages that women are not equal, and that they need protecting from men. Both are terrible messages.
On these gender-segregated carriages for women, what are the perpetrator numbers for same sex sexual and verbal abuse on the Tube? On the question of Domestic Violence, which is the closest (and not very good) analogy I can think of, patterns are not dissimilar but widely unacknowedged and not well researched. http://www.endthefear.co.uk/information/help-and-advice/same-sex-domestic-abuse/ Has Jezza considered that?
Probably not. As I pointed out last night the issue in Japan where they did I believe introduce same sex carriages (in 2005) was one where groping women seemed to have become a national pastime. This seems to have been made possible where everyone was packed in (as has been seen on news clips) like sardines. The situation there seems somewhat peculiar and the Telegraph reported one man welcoming the change, saying the carriages were so crowded you could not help being pushed into women and he was terrified of being accused of something he did not do. This does not seem to be a problem in Britain - and where we to introduce women only carriages I do not see this being helpful to a woman in an empty carriage any more than being in an empty 'mixed' carriage. And I know this is stretching a point, but suppose a woman is travelling with a male friend in a mixed carriage and he then leaves. The woman is then alone in a mixed carriage. Our situation is the the opposite of Japan where the overcrowding is the issue. In the UK the issue is one of being a lone person, being on an empty train. Segregation is no help.
Mr. Financier, point of order: hundreds of male victims were among the abused in Rotherham. Similarly, much of the Westminster alleged cover-up seems to revolve around male victims.
And behold, there is indeed nothing new under the sun.
'Two months after Sao Paolo’s city authorities approved a bill enforcing women-only carriages on the city’s metro network, a transport minister has said that similar measures may be needed in the UK. Claire Perry, speaking at the Conservative party conference in Birmingham yesterday, said she is “absolutely determined” to cut the number sexual offences on public transport, and that women-only carriages could be a way to prevent “groping and low-level violence”.'
As someone who has been racially abused on the train recently and the conductor told me that, violence and sexual attacks were on the rise, rather than having female/minority only trains how about focussing all our energies on dealing with these idiots instead.
And behold, there is indeed nothing new under the sun.
'Two months after Sao Paolo’s city authorities approved a bill enforcing women-only carriages on the city’s metro network, a transport minister has said that similar measures may be needed in the UK. Claire Perry, speaking at the Conservative party conference in Birmingham yesterday, said she is “absolutely determined” to cut the number sexual offences on public transport, and that women-only carriages could be a way to prevent “groping and low-level violence”.'
Normally I would associate one with men staring at decimal points, and one with stunts involving underpants, so I wonder about their branding strategy.
Nothing beats the Real Ale Train. Several preserved railways, including my own - the mid-Hants, have entire steam trains devoted to drinking beer all evening, and eating takeaway cartons of curry served out of a giant vat in the buffet car.
To all intents and purposes, it is a male-only* train.
(*with a handful of brave, eccentric or oblivious ladies who don't know what they're letting themselves in for)
Normally I would associate one with men staring at decimal points, and one with stunts involving underpants, so I wonder about their branding strategy.
They'll probably keep both brands, but under one company?
And behold, there is indeed nothing new under the sun.
'Two months after Sao Paolo’s city authorities approved a bill enforcing women-only carriages on the city’s metro network, a transport minister has said that similar measures may be needed in the UK. Claire Perry, speaking at the Conservative party conference in Birmingham yesterday, said she is “absolutely determined” to cut the number sexual offences on public transport, and that women-only carriages could be a way to prevent “groping and low-level violence”.'
Normally I would associate one with men staring at decimal points, and one with stunts involving underpants, so I wonder about their branding strategy.
They're very different betting brands indeed, much more so than say Coral and Ladbrokes. Having said that the 'tap tap boom' Sportsbook branding of Betfair is more towards a traditional 'mug punter' mark. What's needed for the serious punter is another serious exchange competitor.
I'm sort of sympathetic to the idea of women-only carriages. However, I do wonder whether Jeremy Corbyn has opened up a can of worms. If I identify as a woman, even if I am not currently transitioning, where do I stand? Or indeed sit?
On a related note, there was a piece on Look North recently about Rotherham victims, but it only referred to girls/women, despite a third of victims being male.
At least a third. - ISTR they think that the abuse of boys is being under-reported.
Also being under-reported is the related sexual abuse of Asian girls, often by the same gangs.
Nothing beats the Real Ale Train. Several preserved railways, including my own - the mid-Hants, have entire steam trains devoted to drinking beer all evening, and eating takeaway cartons of curry served out of a giant vat in the buffet car.
To all intents and purposes, it is a male-only* train.
(*with a handful of brave, eccentric or oblivious ladies who don't know what they're letting themselves in for)
Blimey, they really exist – I thought you were pulling the proverbial leg.
However, if we continue to immigrate more people who come from very different cultures to ours where women are almost regarded as second class citizens and even as sexual objects (e.g. Rotherham, Oxford etc) , then there may be a need to return to gender classes on many forms of transport.
There's an advert about this sort of thing in London and the perpetrator is a white male. I'd like to think that the cast was randomly selected from a pool of actors who reflect the ethnic make up of London - I suspect that wasn't the case, though.
On another note, I was driving through Luton on Saturday and saw an advert on the back of a bus telling people to report child abuse if they suspect it is going on.
Normally I would associate one with men staring at decimal points, and one with stunts involving underpants, so I wonder about their branding strategy.
Loving the 5 billion merger.
5 billon minus Jezza payouts.
Having dabbled since the Election, Hedged Jezza will be paying for my dabble losses and a bit more.
Normally I would associate one with men staring at decimal points, and one with stunts involving underpants, so I wonder about their branding strategy.
Less than a month ago, Paddy Power's twitter account joked that, in the wake of the Ladbrokes and Coral merger, it had joined forces with Betfair. "Our new name is Betty Power," it said.
I'm just intrigued what you will now be able to do in a Betty Power shop.
In addition to female-only carriages Jezbollah wants to set up a 24-hour train grope hotline. Could this be Major's traffic cone hotline all over again? This kind of thing is usually reserved for deeply unpopular parties floundering before an election... oh wait!
The phone thing is just odd - a 24hour hotline for reporting abuse? Surely that already exists - it's 999 Police.
As election agent for Mary Cooke, I wish to complain about your paper's change in Mary's description of her "hero" ( in response to your reporter's question) from "Mark Serwotka, General Secretary of the civil servants' Union" to what you actually printed "Mark Serwotka, General Secretary of the Soviet Union". It is difficult to see how this could have been a straightforward transcription error, but in any case the failure to check the piece prior to publication is also a very serious error.
JEREMY CORBYN vowed yesterday to take on the unchecked power of banks and media barons if elected Labour leader. The Islington North MP said that Rupert Murdoch’s empire would be broken up to dilute his media influence and banks would be forced to address Britain’s “gross inequalities.” In an interview with the Financial Times, he also warned the corporate world that he would challenge high pay. “I do think the salary levels and the bonus levels again have got to be looked at,” he said. And Mr Corbyn hit back at claims that his leadership would split the party. “I don’t think there is any appetite for people to walk away,” he said. “The number of MPs making ‘noises off’ at the moment is actually quite small. A lot of MPs are looking to see what happens and what role they can fulfil.”
Nothing beats the Real Ale Train. Several preserved railways, including my own - the mid-Hants, have entire steam trains devoted to drinking beer all evening, and eating takeaway cartons of curry served out of a giant vat in the buffet car.
To all intents and purposes, it is a male-only* train.
(*with a handful of brave, eccentric or oblivious ladies who don't know what they're letting themselves in for)
That brings back very happy memories.
There are also some very good dining trains on preserved railways. Including, I believe, the lovely Mid-Hants.
Mr. Divvie, no party has a monopoly on moronic policies.
Gender segregation is not the way forward.
True dat, as the kids say. I'm quite curious as to how it would be implemented though. What's to stop drunk men just wandering in - and what punishment would they face if they did?
And behold, there is indeed nothing new under the sun.
'Two months after Sao Paolo’s city authorities approved a bill enforcing women-only carriages on the city’s metro network, a transport minister has said that similar measures may be needed in the UK. Claire Perry, speaking at the Conservative party conference in Birmingham yesterday, said she is “absolutely determined” to cut the number sexual offences on public transport, and that women-only carriages could be a way to prevent “groping and low-level violence”.'
"Some women have raised with me that a solution to the rise in assault and harassment on public transport could be to introduce women only carriages. My intention would be to make public transport safer for everyone from the train platform, to the bus stop to on the mode of transport itself. However, I would consult with women and open it up to hear their views on whether women-only carriages would be welcome - and also if piloting this at times and modes of transport where harassment is reported most frequently would be of interest".
Nothing beats the Real Ale Train. Several preserved railways, including my own - the mid-Hants, have entire steam trains devoted to drinking beer all evening, and eating takeaway cartons of curry served out of a giant vat in the buffet car.
The Real Ale Trail from Manchester to Huddersfield and back is worth checking out if you're ever in the area. Horrible First Transpennine Express trains though
Good idea – women should be free from sexual harassment and this is the simplest way to help 22% Bad idea – segregation is not a solution in a mixed and liberal country 68%
Nothing beats the Real Ale Train. Several preserved railways, including my own - the mid-Hants, have entire steam trains devoted to drinking beer all evening, and eating takeaway cartons of curry served out of a giant vat in the buffet car.
The Real Ale Trail from Manchester to Huddersfield and back is worth checking out if you're ever in the area. Horrible First Transpennine Express trains though
First !
The transport brand that makes Virgin look like 24 carat gold.
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Can't help but feel the same sort of thing would happen here, exacerbated by the idea of 'special treatment', and I agree with @TSE that the way around it is to deal with the idiots causing the problem in the first place.
Not sure how much he really runs things these days though.
Sadly they both had to retire from PB when they were offered posts at ACAS.
Complaint letter to the Peterborough Telegraph for mis-describing Mark Serwotka:
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Complaint re transcription in today's Peterborough Evening Telegraph p10
Dear Editor,
As election agent for Mary Cooke, I wish to complain about your paper's change in Mary's description of her "hero" ( in response to your reporter's question) from "Mark Serwotka, General Secretary of the civil servants' Union" to what you actually printed "Mark Serwotka, General Secretary of the Soviet Union". It is difficult to see how this could have been a straightforward transcription error, but in any case the failure to check the piece prior to publication is also a very serious error.
Mary completely rejects the dictatorial Stalinist system and is a firm believer in the democratic control of society by the millions, not by the millionaires. For her to be maligned in this way just one week before polling deserves in our view a very prominent apology from yourself and from all your staff involved. We reserve the right to take this matter further unless this complaint is addressed to our satisfaction.
Yours faithfully,
Steve Cawley
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http://www.tusc.org.uk/press260412b.php
More seriously, I suspect the main reason he keeps going is he's terrified that should he lose power and his opponents get in, he will be put on trial and be at the very least be stripped of all his accumulated wealth.
(In fairness to Stalin, he lived very simply and did not amass great personal wealth - but some of his successors, oh boy!)
Ave It would repeatedly tell us how the Conservatives were on for a majority.. And we just laughed....
And as ever, Shakespeare would have been so prescient: Exit Left, pursued by a bear...
If Serwotka's values are incompatible with Labour then surely Corbyn should be expelled? Or is 'remaining a member of the club' more important than the policies espoused?
All the four candidates may have agreed not to take legal action regardless of the result, but that still leaves many others who might take it to court.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34060453
"In an interview with the New Statesman in 2011, he said he had voted for the Green Party in the 2010 election and added: "Growing up in Wales, it was Labour, Labour, Labour. But [since] its move rightwards and embrace of the markets, Labour doesn't speak for me."
Mr Serwotka is among 3,200 people who have been prevented from voting in the leadership election after signing up as affiliated members."
So sinners cannot repent in time to vote for Corbyn or any other holy fool.
Train toilets are minging.
I'd rather soil myself than use a train toilet.
However, it is very careless of Harman not to use this helpful little statement to have Corbyn disqualified from the race.
Of course there was a case where a full member of some years' standing, CLP organiser no less, was also disbarred, but I wondered if that might be in mistake for another person in the same area with the same name.
I've certainly had to go in some unusual places when caught short over the course of the years.
On the question of Domestic Violence, which is the closest (and not very good) analogy I can think of, patterns are not dissimilar but widely unacknowedged and not well researched.
http://www.endthefear.co.uk/information/help-and-advice/same-sex-domestic-abuse/
Has Jezza considered that?
On a related note, there was a piece on Look North recently about Rotherham victims, but it only referred to girls/women, despite a third of victims being male.
- Singles only 'dating' carriages
- Pub quiz carriages
- Karaoke carriages
Plenty of choice under neo-BR
It's absurd. I saw it pop up on my RSS just before I went to bed and was so WTF??!?! I clicked on the story to see if it was serious.
@HurstLlama mentioned the Ladies Waiting Room on Haywards Heath station in the 90s - I occasionally sat in there when it was freezing cold, but it had the loos in the same room, so it was more of a Toilet Antechamber...and unsurprisingly smelly. It used to have a fireplace too - but blocked up.
In addition to female-only carriages Jezbollah wants to set up a 24-hour train grope hotline. Could this be Major's traffic cone hotline all over again? This kind of thing is usually reserved for deeply unpopular parties floundering before an election... oh wait!
If the two main parties chose Trump and Sanders then an Independent Bloomberg could well walk it.
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It would be like Cameron v Farage and Corbyn even Jeb and Hillary might secretly vote for Bloomberg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcMd1F1acSo
Because of those shoes
I stopped reading Oborne a couple of years ago as he just disagrees with himself to create clickbait - how he was EVER awarded Journalist of the the Year or whatever is beyond me.
In the same era, there was at large businesses, director's dining room, staff (white collar) canteen and factory (blue collar) canteen. The excuse was that the factory people had dirty clothes.
There were also workmen's trains (wooden seats) and the early morning milk trains and the mail and newspaper trains.
However, if we continue to immigrate more people who come from very different cultures to ours where women are almost regarded as second class citizens and even as sexual objects (e.g. Rotherham, Oxford etc) , then there may be a need to return to gender classes on many forms of transport.
Looking at the first, it is the behaviour that needs to be challenged. Some commentators are confusing two issues: verbal abuse is far more common than physical abuse.
If you look at the figures - page 14 of (1), it should be noted that a small number of complainants are male: and this will be under-reported, especially for verbal abuse. The recent rise might be down to a campaign to encourage reporting of these offences, (2) but the number of offences reported against men has decreased, which seems slightly odd.
Looking at the second, it will cost money, and may reduce capacity on services. If it does, then perhaps the money would be best spent on more policing and getting people who feel that they've been abused to complain. There are cameras in carriages nowadays, and on platforms. It should be easy to find the suspects, especially repeat offenders.
This is working around the problem, not trying to solve it. Worse, it sends messages that women are not equal, and that they need protecting from men. Both are terrible messages.
(1): http://www.btp.police.uk/pdf/BTP- Statistical Bulletin 2014-15.pdf
(2): http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33979568
As I pointed out last night the issue in Japan where they did I believe introduce same sex carriages (in 2005) was one where groping women seemed to have become a national pastime.
This seems to have been made possible where everyone was packed in (as has been seen on news clips) like sardines. The situation there seems somewhat peculiar and the Telegraph reported one man welcoming the change, saying the carriages were so crowded you could not help being pushed into women and he was terrified of being accused of something he did not do.
This does not seem to be a problem in Britain - and where we to introduce women only carriages I do not see this being helpful to a woman in an empty carriage any more than being in an empty 'mixed' carriage.
And I know this is stretching a point, but suppose a woman is travelling with a male friend in a mixed carriage and he then leaves. The woman is then alone in a mixed carriage. Our situation is the the opposite of Japan where the overcrowding is the issue. In the UK the issue is one of being a lone person, being on an empty train. Segregation is no help.
There's a small part of me that would like to see Jezza as PM.
Ignoring the Zombie Apocalypse economics, his bizarre PC thinking would create a Harry Enfield sketch for real.
Welcome to Lonnyland, leaves your brains at the door.
'Two months after Sao Paolo’s city authorities approved a bill enforcing women-only carriages on the city’s metro network, a transport minister has said that similar measures may be needed in the UK.
Claire Perry, speaking at the Conservative party conference in Birmingham yesterday, said she is “absolutely determined” to cut the number sexual offences on public transport, and that women-only carriages could be a way to prevent “groping and low-level violence”.'
http://tinyurl.com/p2vlbad
Gender segregation is not the way forward.
Great numbers in NH for Fiorina. Still available at around 25.
But don't tell Corbyn, or he may suggest Asian-only carriages.
Normally I would associate one with men staring at decimal points, and one with stunts involving underpants, so I wonder about their branding strategy.
To all intents and purposes, it is a male-only* train.
(*with a handful of brave, eccentric or oblivious ladies who don't know what they're letting themselves in for)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34060117
"The combined company plans to retain the "distinctive and complementary" Betfair and Paddy Power brands in Europe."
Also being under-reported is the related sexual abuse of Asian girls, often by the same gangs.
http://www.watercressline.co.uk/product.php/10/real-ale-train-r-a-t
On another note, I was driving through Luton on Saturday and saw an advert on the back of a bus telling people to report child abuse if they suspect it is going on.
5 billon minus Jezza payouts.
Having dabbled since the Election, Hedged Jezza will be paying for my dabble losses and a bit more.
I'm just intrigued what you will now be able to do in a Betty Power shop.
The Islington North MP said that Rupert Murdoch’s empire would be broken up to dilute his media influence and banks would be forced to address Britain’s “gross inequalities.”
In an interview with the Financial Times, he also warned the corporate world that he would challenge high pay.
“I do think the salary levels and the bonus levels again have got to be looked at,” he said.
And Mr Corbyn hit back at claims that his leadership would split the party.
“I don’t think there is any appetite for people to walk away,” he said.
“The number of MPs making ‘noises off’ at the moment is actually quite small. A lot of MPs are looking to see what happens and what role they can fulfil.”
There are also some very good dining trains on preserved railways. Including, I believe, the lovely Mid-Hants.
"Bring your friends: Stuff 'em on the Chuff 'em"
True dat, as the kids say. I'm quite curious as to how it would be implemented though. What's to stop drunk men just wandering in - and what punishment would they face if they did?
Mr. Lennon, must admit, that was my thought too.
https://twitter.com/markolver/status/636449971949174784
"Some women have raised with me that a solution to the rise in assault and harassment on public transport could be to introduce women only carriages. My intention would be to make public transport safer for everyone from the train platform, to the bus stop to on the mode of transport itself. However, I would consult with women and open it up to hear their views on whether women-only carriages would be welcome - and also if piloting this at times and modes of transport where harassment is reported most frequently would be of interest".
Good idea – women should be free from sexual harassment and this is the simplest way to help 22%
Bad idea – segregation is not a solution in a mixed and liberal country 68%
The transport brand that makes Virgin look like 24 carat gold.
A few weekends ago, I had to share a train carriage with a hen party.
I had my headphones on the entire journey, and I could still hear what they were saying.
Being the shy retiring type, I was shocked at what they had planned for the weekend.