That's quite disappointing that Labour have done that. Then again, most political parties seem hypocritical one way of another. Certainly electing Corbyn is very hypocritical. Labour can't espouse beliefs on equality only to elect a man who associates with terrorists.
What has associating with terrorists got to do with beliefs in equality?
Hardly the most obvious opposites
Hanging out with terrorists who most likely will have certain 'views' regarding say the role of women is hardly the done thing for an advocate of equality.
I don't think you can accuse Jezbollah of not believing in equality - divorcing your wife for sending your son to a grammar school is very much putting your money where your mouth is. Callous sh*t certainly. Not believing in equality, no.
Nelson Mandela was locked up for terrorism fighting for equality wasn't he?
And you could argue that terrorists are striving for equal rights with Governments in blowing people up.
That's quite disappointing that Labour have done that. Then again, most political parties seem hypocritical one way of another. Certainly electing Corbyn is very hypocritical. Labour can't espouse beliefs on equality only to elect a man who associates with terrorists.
What has associating with terrorists got to do with beliefs in equality?
Hardly the most obvious opposites
Hanging out with terrorists who most likely will have certain 'views' regarding say the role of women is hardly the done thing for an advocate of equality.
0/10 v poor answer
Have you suddenly become a teacher?
Prob about as likely as you being a 21yr old mixed race female student!
So you've become a teacher then!
In all seriousness, why on earth do you think I'm some kind of liar? It's rare that someone young, female, and an from a BME background would be interested in politics, but it's not something impossible, and you seem to be asserting it is.
Then again in Kipper world only white men must be interested in politics....
WOW! That is indeed a significant number. I do wonder how many of those were folks that were not on the electoral roll because they were turned off by the mainstream offering and were drawn to Corbyn. Now they've effectively been purged. Harriet Harman has come a long way. Back in May she said:
"So I want to see leadership hustings where members bring non-members. Where someone who voted Labour brings along someone who voted Tory or SNP or didn’t vote at all.
We will use the setback to build membership. More than 30,000 people have joined Labour as members since May 7. That is a small silver lining. There are thousands of people who are so motivated by the disappointment of defeat, they want to get involved, want to do more. Let’s turn 30,000 into 60,000 and let’s turn 60,000 into 100,000."
That's quite disappointing that Labour have done that. Then again, most political parties seem hypocritical one way of another. Certainly electing Corbyn is very hypocritical. Labour can't espouse beliefs on equality only to elect a man who associates with terrorists.
What has associating with terrorists got to do with beliefs in equality?
Hardly the most obvious opposites
Hanging out with terrorists who most likely will have certain 'views' regarding say the role of women is hardly the done thing for an advocate of equality.
0/10 v poor answer
Have you suddenly become a teacher?
On a point of pedantry, Ms Apocalypse, we are not encouraged to mark out of 10. We are encouraged to highlight 'positives' and 'areas for improvement'. 'Two stars and a wish' or 'WWW and EBI' are the standard packages for doing so.
OFSTED still mark out of four of course, but they always were fifty years behind the times apart from a brief period when Woodhead was in charge and they were 500 years behind the times.
OFSTED reports are a bit of a joke, btw. The teachers would always tell us when the in-spectators were coming in to 'be good' and so on. Really OFSTED should just turn up unexpected.
Just because the US was ready to go didn't mean we had to join in.
Who knows how different the world might have been without the invasion of Iraq?
Afghanistan would still have occurred, and fighters would still have swarmed to that country. Perhaps without Iraq, more fighters would have gone to Afghanistan and made the war even harder.
The July 7 bombings would probably still have occurred.
The big question is whether the Arab Spring would have occurred. Since it started with people unsatisfied with their local governments, the answer is probably yes. The leaderships of those countries were unaffected by the war.
But without Iraq, the predecessors of IS would not have had ten years to form and develop.
So we would have a massively destabilised region, but not quite the same chaos in Syria, whose troubles started as part of the Arab Spring. Who knows what would have happened in Iraq. Perhaps Saddam would have chosen to invade another country: he was about due to ...
Or perhaps the above is all wrong.
American involvement in Afghanistan had started long before the first Iraq Wa, during Carter's administration.
Perhaps we could analyse your posts to see if they come out as if they have been written by a man or by a woman... maybe you have a masculine writing style.
Maybe! It would be odd though, if that was the case.
The name The Apocalypse tends to set initial perceptions I'd suggest.
I was struggling to think of a username, and didn't like the sound of a very girly name, so I went with that. Also given what's happening to Labour, it is quite a fitting name.
To prevent getting your gender wrong, in future I shall call you Thea_Pocalypse...
At some point, one of these seriously right wing populist parties is going to take power in a European country, especially as the immigration crisis escalates. And then....
"A guy named Adolf Hitler won an election in 1932. He won an election, and 50 million people died as a result of that election in World War II, including 6 million Jews. So what I learned as a little kid is that politics is, in fact, very important.”
That's quite disappointing that Labour have done that. Then again, most political parties seem hypocritical one way of another. Certainly electing Corbyn is very hypocritical. Labour can't espouse beliefs on equality only to elect a man who associates with terrorists.
What has associating with terrorists got to do with beliefs in equality?
Hardly the most obvious opposites
Hanging out with terrorists who most likely will have certain 'views' regarding say the role of women is hardly the done thing for an advocate of equality.
0/10 v poor answer
Have you suddenly become a teacher?
Prob about as likely as you being a 21yr old mixed race female student!
So you've become a teacher then!
In all seriousness, why on earth do you think I'm some kind of liar? It's rare that someone young, female, and an from a BME background would be interested in politics, but it's not something impossible, and you seem to be asserting it is.
Then again in Kipper world only white men must be interested in politics....
With every post the mask slips further
Okay you're just a bit weird. I don't know why you bother to reply to my posts, if you think I'm such a liar.
And, to be fair(!) to Saddam for mny years Iraq was a genuinely secular state, where, if one didn't make waves (etc) life was very similar to the West. That's not to say that the Iraqui Baaath party didn't come to power through vicious bloodshed.
And there were rumours of other massacres too. One an old lecturer of mine told me about - whether it was true or hearsay I'm not sure - was where all the children in a village were lined up and machine-gunned, while their parents were forced to clap. Seems a strange thing to do, but I could believe it of Uday.
A ghastly place to live, no doubt. Not so much Syria in my opinion. However, in both cases probably more bearable than the chaos that ensued.
That's quite disappointing that Labour have done that. Then again, most political parties seem hypocritical one way of another. Certainly electing Corbyn is very hypocritical. Labour can't espouse beliefs on equality only to elect a man who associates with terrorists.
What has associating with terrorists got to do with beliefs in equality?
Hardly the most obvious opposites
Hanging out with terrorists who most likely will have certain 'views' regarding say the role of women is hardly the done thing for an advocate of equality.
0/10 v poor answer
Have you suddenly become a teacher?
Prob about as likely as you being a 21yr old mixed race female student!
Why not? Older girls have been allowed to join the Scouts since 1976. Anything's possible for women now, unless you want to be leader of the Labour Party.
@RobD True. Although my friends (and family, for that matter) know that I'm quite interested in politics. Though I don't tell them I go on political blogs!
@HYUFD Not necessarily. I doubt most people know their local MPs' views.
That's quite disappointing that Labour have done that. Then again, most political parties seem hypocritical one way of another. Certainly electing Corbyn is very hypocritical. Labour can't espouse beliefs on equality only to elect a man who associates with terrorists.
What has associating with terrorists got to do with beliefs in equality?
Hardly the most obvious opposites
Hanging out with terrorists who most likely will have certain 'views' regarding say the role of women is hardly the done thing for an advocate of equality.
0/10 v poor answer
Have you suddenly become a teacher?
Prob about as likely as you being a 21yr old mixed race female student!
So you've become a teacher then!
In all seriousness, why on earth do you think I'm some kind of liar? It's rare that someone young, female, and an from a BME background would be interested in politics, but it's not something impossible, and you seem to be asserting it is.
Then again in Kipper world only white men must be interested in politics....
With every post the mask slips further
Okay you're just a bit weird. I don't know why you bother to reply to my posts, if you think I'm such a liar.
Whoever you are pretending to be, its still worth puncturing your awful reasoning from time to time
Perhaps we could analyse your posts to see if they come out as if they have been written by a man or by a woman... maybe you have a masculine writing style.
Maybe! It would be odd though, if that was the case.
The name The Apocalypse tends to set initial perceptions I'd suggest.
I was struggling to think of a username, and didn't like the sound of a very girly name, so I went with that. Also given what's happening to Labour, it is quite a fitting name.
To prevent getting your gender wrong, in future I shall call you Thea_Pocalypse...
That name is remarkably similar to all the mail I keep getting that is incorrectly addressed. It's for some bloke called "Theo Cuppier".
And, to be fair(!) to Saddam for mny years Iraq was a genuinely secular state, where, if one didn't make waves (etc) life was very similar to the West. That's not to say that the Iraqui Baaath party didn't come to power through vicious bloodshed.
And there were rumours of other massacres too. One an old lecturer of mine told me about - whether it was true or hearsay I'm not sure - was where all the children in a village were lined up and machine-gunned, while their parents were forced to clap. Seems a strange thing to do, but I could believe it of Uday.
Hmmm indeed. Point taken indeed. However IIRC Saddam appeared to really go off his trolley around about the time the Iran-Iraq War started.
At some point, one of these seriously right wing populist parties is going to take power in a European country, especially as the immigration crisis escalates. And then....
"A guy named Adolf Hitler won an election in 1932. He won an election, and 50 million people died as a result of that election in World War II, including 6 million Jews. So what I learned as a little kid is that politics is, in fact, very important.”
- Bernie Sanders.
For a given value of 'won' - most seats and most votes, but very far short of being able to form a government especially as the Reichstag was more or less moribund by 1932.
It was the intriguing of Papen and Oscar Hindenburg that made Hitler Chancellor, not the election results. One thought though - they intended to use him to harness the popular support he was whipping up for their own ends. Now, is there any possible parallel with that today?
That's quite disappointing that Labour have done that. Then again, most political parties seem hypocritical one way of another. Certainly electing Corbyn is very hypocritical. Labour can't espouse beliefs on equality only to elect a man who associates with terrorists.
What has associating with terrorists got to do with beliefs in equality?
Hardly the most obvious opposites
isam, if you think Taliban and ISIS, I think you'd have to agree that they are the opposite of equality of the sexes.
That's quite disappointing that Labour have done that. Then again, most political parties seem hypocritical one way of another. Certainly electing Corbyn is very hypocritical. Labour can't espouse beliefs on equality only to elect a man who associates with terrorists.
What has associating with terrorists got to do with beliefs in equality?
Hardly the most obvious opposites
Hanging out with terrorists who most likely will have certain 'views' regarding say the role of women is hardly the done thing for an advocate of equality.
0/10 v poor answer
Have you suddenly become a teacher?
Prob about as likely as you being a 21yr old mixed race female student!
So you've become a teacher then!
In all seriousness, why on earth do you think I'm some kind of liar? It's rare that someone young, female, and an from a BME background would be interested in politics, but it's not something impossible, and you seem to be asserting it is.
Then again in Kipper world only white men must be interested in politics....
With every post the mask slips further
Okay you're just a bit weird. I don't know why you bother to reply to my posts, if you think I'm such a liar.
Whoever you are pretending to be, its still worth puncturing your awful reasoning from time to time
I'll ignore your posts in the future, given the chip you have on your shoulder.
I haven't had foie gras in years - so blinking rich. I do have some rather nice Ardennes pate - I'lll try that or cream cheese or both!
I toasted a slice earlier and popped some butter on - but it was like buttered cake and too sweet. My greyhounds loved broiche rolls and thought I'd try it myself...
I think the - are purgees, most through not being on the electoral register.
I doubt anything like 25% of the original affiliate number weren't on the electoral register.
Surely most of the 41,000 affiliates excluded were already individual members.
ie the Union said "Will you be an affiliate?" The person said "Yes, of course" - not realising it was a waste of time as they were already included as a member and couldn't have two votes.
That's quite disappointing that Labour have done that. Then again, most political parties seem hypocritical one way of another. Certainly electing Corbyn is very hypocritical. Labour can't espouse beliefs on equality only to elect a man who associates with terrorists.
What has associating with terrorists got to do with beliefs in equality?
Hardly the most obvious opposites
isam, if you think Taliban and ISIS, I think you'd have to agree that they are the opposite of equality of the sexes.
Those two are but there are plenty of terrorists that are fighting for equality. My point was that its not necessarily hypocritical to want equality and associate with terrorists as The Apocalypse said
That's quite disappointing that Labour have done that. Then again, most political parties seem hypocritical one way of another. Certainly electing Corbyn is very hypocritical. Labour can't espouse beliefs on equality only to elect a man who associates with terrorists.
What has associating with terrorists got to do with beliefs in equality?
Hardly the most obvious opposites
Hanging out with terrorists who most likely will have certain 'views' regarding say the role of women is hardly the done thing for an advocate of equality.
0/10 v poor answer
Have you suddenly become a teacher?
Prob about as likely as you being a 21yr old mixed race female student!
So you've become a teacher then!
In all seriousness, why on earth do you think I'm some kind of liar? It's rare that someone young, female, and an from a BME background would be interested in politics, but it's not something impossible, and you seem to be asserting it is.
Then again in Kipper world only white men must be interested in politics....
With every post the mask slips further
Okay you're just a bit weird. I don't know why you bother to reply to my posts, if you think I'm such a liar.
Whoever you are pretending to be, its still worth puncturing your awful reasoning from time to time
I'll ignore your posts in the future, given the chip you have on your shoulder.
That's quite disappointing that Labour have done that. Then again, most political parties seem hypocritical one way of another. Certainly electing Corbyn is very hypocritical. Labour can't espouse beliefs on equality only to elect a man who associates with terrorists.
What has associating with terrorists got to do with beliefs in equality?
Hardly the most obvious opposites
Hanging out with terrorists who most likely will have certain 'views' regarding say the role of women is hardly the done thing for an advocate of equality.
0/10 v poor answer
Have you suddenly become a teacher?
On a point of pedantry, Ms Apocalypse, we are not encouraged to mark out of 10. We are encouraged to highlight 'positives' and 'areas for improvement'. 'Two stars and a wish' or 'WWW and EBI' are the standard packages for doing so.
OFSTED still mark out of four of course, but they always were fifty years behind the times apart from a brief period when Woodhead was in charge and they were 500 years behind the times.
OFSTED reports are a bit of a joke, btw. The teachers would always tell us when the in-spectators were coming in to 'be good' and so on. Really OFSTED should just turn up unexpected.
The last two inspections I have been through have been unannounced - that being said, the inspectors didn't bother coming into the classrooms.
I have mixed feelings about OFSTED reports. I have seen one for a school I worked in that I thought was bang on the money. On the other hand, I worked in another school where the police had to patrol the corridors because it was such a violent place and, not surprisingly, effective teaching wasn't easy. However, there was a lot of very good teaching going on, in spite of all the difficulties, and most children did get through their GCSEs. Teaching was graded a '4' ('inadequate') and behaviour was said to 'require improvement.'
I think the key problem is it's now all about promoting the careers of figures within OFSTED rather than about making a rational judgement on strengths/weaknesses to help the school get better. Which makes it more likely schools will be defensive about any problems it identifies and ignore it, rather than dealing with them - and even if they are dealt with, they are not likely to make things better.
That's quite disappointing that Labour have done that. Then again, most political parties seem hypocritical one way of another. Certainly electing Corbyn is very hypocritical. Labour can't espouse beliefs on equality only to elect a man who associates with terrorists.
What has associating with terrorists got to do with beliefs in equality?
Hardly the most obvious opposites
Hanging out with terrorists who most likely will have certain 'views' regarding say the role of women is hardly the done thing for an advocate of equality.
0/10 v poor answer
Have you suddenly become a teacher?
Prob about as likely as you being a 21yr old mixed race female student!
So you've become a teacher then!
In all seriousness, why on earth do you think I'm some kind of liar? It's rare that someone young, female, and an from a BME background would be interested in politics, but it's not something impossible, and you seem to be asserting it is.
Then again in Kipper world only white men must be interested in politics....
With every post the mask slips further
Okay you're just a bit weird. I don't know why you bother to reply to my posts, if you think I'm such a liar.
Whoever you are pretending to be, its still worth puncturing your awful reasoning from time to time
I'll ignore your posts in the future, given the chip you have on your shoulder.
Do what you like, couldn't care less
You clearly care enough to keep on insinuating I'm some kind of fake.
That's quite disappointing that Labour have done that. Then again, most political parties seem hypocritical one way of another. Certainly electing Corbyn is very hypocritical. Labour can't espouse beliefs on equality only to elect a man who associates with terrorists.
What has associating with terrorists got to do with beliefs in equality?
Hardly the most obvious opposites
Hanging out with terrorists who most likely will have certain 'views' regarding say the role of women is hardly the done thing for an advocate of equality.
0/10 v poor answer
Have you suddenly become a teacher?
Prob about as likely as you being a 21yr old mixed race female student!
So you've become a teacher then!
In all seriousness, why on earth do you think I'm some kind of liar? It's rare that someone young, female, and an from a BME background would be interested in politics, but it's not something impossible, and you seem to be asserting it is.
Then again in Kipper world only white men must be interested in politics....
With every post the mask slips further
Okay you're just a bit weird. I don't know why you bother to reply to my posts, if you think I'm such a liar.
Whoever you are pretending to be, its still worth puncturing your awful reasoning from time to time
I'll ignore your posts in the future, given the chip you have on your shoulder.
Do what you like, couldn't care less
You clearly care enough to keep on insinuating I'm some kind of fake.
It doesn't really matter that you are, I just noticed that's all. Carry on, no one seems to mind
Scottish Labour's public services spokesman Dr Richard Simpson said: "NHS staff work round the clock to provide the care Scots need but it is becoming increasingly clear that they are facing an uphill struggle because the SNP have squeezed health spending in Scotland harder than even the Tories in England.
My parents had a guest from Switzerland recently. As luck would have it he had a heart attack. Took him to NHS hospital in Aberdeen - treated brilliantly, operation to put stents in his arteries. No charge. They're not in the EU. The NHS prefers to treat the world and then just ask the Government for more money.
Your EHIC covers you for Switzerland and the NHS will charge the Swiss government for treatment. This is how it works, EHIC as an EEA agreement NOT an EU one.
That's quite disappointing that Labour have done that. Then again, most political parties seem hypocritical one way of another. Certainly electing Corbyn is very hypocritical. Labour can't espouse beliefs on equality only to elect a man who associates with terrorists.
What has associating with terrorists got to do with beliefs in equality?
Hardly the most obvious opposites
Hanging out with terrorists who most likely will have certain 'views' regarding say the role of women is hardly the done thing for an advocate of equality.
0/10 v poor answer
Have you suddenly become a teacher?
Prob about as likely as you being a 21yr old mixed race female student!
So you've become a teacher then!
In all seriousness, why on earth do you think I'm some kind of liar? It's rare that someone young, female, and an from a BME background would be interested in politics, but it's not something impossible, and you seem to be asserting it is.
Then again in Kipper world only white men must be interested in politics....
With every post the mask slips further
Okay you're just a bit weird. I don't know why you bother to reply to my posts, if you think I'm such a liar.
Why is this so important to you isam? What matters surely is the views of the person, not the demographics.
Indeed with that slightly out there NAACP lady there was also suggestions of race-fluidity as well as the more classic gender-fluidity, the sexual spectrum and the classic adage you are only as old as you feel.
Apocolypse adds to the debate - that is more than enough no?
The last two inspections I have been through have been unannounced - that being said, the inspectors didn't bother coming into the classrooms.
I have mixed feelings about OFSTED reports. I have seen one for a school I worked in that I thought was bang on the money. On the other hand, I worked in another school where the police had to patrol the corridors because it was such a violent place and, not surprisingly, effective teaching wasn't easy. However, there was a lot of very good teaching going on, in spite of all the difficulties, and most children did get through their GCSEs. Teaching was graded a '4' ('inadequate') and behaviour was said to 'require improvement.'
I think the key problem is it's now all about promoting the careers of figures within OFSTED rather than about making a rational judgement on strengths/weaknesses to help the school get better. Which makes it more likely schools will be defensive about any problems it identifies and ignore it, rather than dealing with them - and even if they are dealt with, they are not likely to make things better.
And that's why the education system is messed up....
And, to be fair(!) to Saddam for mny years Iraq was a genuinely secular state, where, if one didn't make waves (etc) life was very similar to the West. That's not to say that the Iraqui Baaath party didn't come to power through vicious bloodshed.
And there were rumours of other massacres too. One an old lecturer of mine told me about - whether it was true or hearsay I'm not sure - was where all the children in a village were lined up and machine-gunned, while their parents were forced to clap. Seems a strange thing to do, but I could believe it of Uday.
Hmmm indeed. Point taken indeed. However IIRC Saddam appeared to really go off his trolley around about the time the Iran-Iraq War started.
I don't know enough to say for definite one way or another. However, I don't suppose he got to the top of the Ba'ath party by being nice to people. He almost certainly did get progressively worse (that's normal for a dictator) but wasn't he head of the secret police before coming to power (which I think was in the late 1970s)? That would suggest to me he had a history of violence and brutality.
That's quite disappointing that Labour have done that. Then again, most political parties seem hypocritical one way of another. Certainly electing Corbyn is very hypocritical. Labour can't espouse beliefs on equality only to elect a man who associates with terrorists.
What has associating with terrorists got to do with beliefs in equality?
Hardly the most obvious opposites
isam, if you think Taliban and ISIS, I think you'd have to agree that they are the opposite of equality of the sexes.
Those two are but there are plenty of terrorists that are fighting for equality. My point was that its not necessarily hypocritical to want equality and associate with terrorists as The Apocalypse said
Agreed. But for the moment, the first groups associated in most people's minds with the word 'terrorist' are likely to be ISIS, Boko Haram, Al Shabaab, Al Qa'eeda, and the Taliban. 5-5 anti-women.
Stupid statement from Burnham. This is such an obvious question, he should have had a prepared response. "We live in a modern society with equality of the sexes. Women have as much right to lead political parties as men. However, I am running because I think I am the person with the best ideas and the best chance to lead the Labour Party to victory in the next election." Simples
But he didnt, he used the kind of words that gets a Tory politician who doesnt know how to deal with harridans. Obviously Milibands top team knew perfectly well how to deal with them. they gave them a pink bus and sent them off to coffee mornings and 'baby and toddler' groups, while the men did all the hard work.
Wow, I feel sorry for any of the women in your life....
Apocalypse, to be fair to notme, I don't think those are words he would use himself in describing women. I believe he used 'harridan' to portray how the left view Tory views on women, and the second highlight is his dig at how the Labour Party treated women (both the public and women MPs) during the last election.
I've never heard anyone on the Left call Tory woman 'harridans' it's used the other way round more so than anything. Also, I didn't like the implication that Labour women weren't doing any hard work at all during the GE, while Labour men were. And that's coming from someone who didn't like the whole pink bus thing.
I think certain lefty people tend to use "witch" and "bitch" of Tory women they dislike (CF: the Thatcher death song). Or of Labour women - Liz Kendal is a "Tory bitch" in some of the more polite insults - though these seem to be from campaigners outside Labour - Greens, SWPers, Counterfire, NCAFC and pseudo-anarchist types, and so on.
Personally I'm quite happy using harridan ("a strict, bossy, or belligerent old woman") if the cap fits on someone deserving imo derision or ridicule, and I have some citations to prove it. It also seems appropriate for the particular type of campaiging media-political feminist with a stock-in-trade of abusive language about men. Probably not for PB, though, since it is generally civilised here.
I like the taste for Medieval insults too. Certain members of a certain cycling forum were not happy with an analysis of the Green Manifesto which included "barmpots".
Just spotted a "Liz Kendal needs electrocution lessons - and I'm not joking" tweet. Ouch.
The Labour people (and non-Labour, for that matter) don't really see Abbott as racist. I think part of that is racism is generally seen as white-on-ethnic minorities, as opposed to other way round. I only found out Abbott's views for example, in the last year or so.
That's exactly my point. Labour are completely hypocritical on racism, seeing it as "not really racism" in their own ranks and ignoring it, while jumping incredibly fast to put the label on others. Corbyn is the most egregious, but it is widespread in the Labour party. That is why I would like to see a different party as Her Majesty's Opposition.
I think the - are purgees, most through not being on the electoral register.
I doubt anything like 25% of the original affiliate number weren't on the electoral register.
Surely most of the 41,000 affiliates excluded were already individual members.
ie the Union said "Will you be an affiliate?" The person said "Yes, of course" - not realising it was a waste of time as they were already included as a member and couldn't have two votes.
No, only 6.000 were already members according to The Sun:
Of the 56,000 weeded out so far;
* 47,000 were found not to be on the electoral roll, meaning their names could have been made up.
* 6,000 broke the rules by registering to vote twice, with many of them being members of the left-wing Unite union
If this information from The Sun is correct then I think this could indeed be a game changer. It seems that the unions came up with a lot of voters who were not on the electoral register.
That's quite disappointing that Labour have done that. Then again, most political parties seem hypocritical one way of another. Certainly electing Corbyn is very hypocritical. Labour can't espouse beliefs on equality only to elect a man who associates with terrorists.
What has associating with terrorists got to do with beliefs in equality?
Hardly the most obvious opposites
Hanging out with terrorists who most likely will have certain 'views' regarding say the role of women is hardly the done thing for an advocate of equality.
0/10 v poor answer
Have you suddenly become a teacher?
Prob about as likely as you being a 21yr old mixed race female student!
So you've become a teacher then!
In all seriousness, why on earth do you think I'm some kind of liar? It's rare that someone young, female, and an from a BME background would be interested in politics, but it's not something impossible, and you seem to be asserting it is.
Then again in Kipper world only white men must be interested in politics....
With every post the mask slips further
Okay you're just a bit weird. I don't know why you bother to reply to my posts, if you think I'm such a liar.
Whoever you are pretending to be, its still worth puncturing your awful reasoning from time to time
I'll ignore your posts in the future, given the chip you have on your shoulder.
Do what you like, couldn't care less
You clearly care enough to keep on insinuating I'm some kind of fake.
It doesn't really matter that you are, I just noticed that's all. Carry on, no one seems to mind
That's because most people aren't ridiculous enough to think I'm some kind of fake.
That's quite disappointing that Labour have done that. Then again, most political parties seem hypocritical one way of another. Certainly electing Corbyn is very hypocritical. Labour can't espouse beliefs on equality only to elect a man who associates with terrorists.
What has associating with terrorists got to do with beliefs in equality?
Hardly the most obvious opposites
Hanging out with terrorists who most likely will have certain 'views' regarding say the role of women is hardly the done thing for an advocate of equality.
0/10 v poor answer
Have you suddenly become a teacher?
Prob about as likely as you being a 21yr old mixed race female student!
So you've become a teacher then!
In all seriousness, why on earth do you think I'm some kind of liar? It's rare that someone young, female, and an from a BME background would be interested in politics, but it's not something impossible, and you seem to be asserting it is.
Then again in Kipper world only white men must be interested in politics....
With every post the mask slips further
Okay you're just a bit weird. I don't know why you bother to reply to my posts, if you think I'm such a liar.
Whoever you are pretending to be, its still worth puncturing your awful reasoning from time to time
I'll ignore your posts in the future, given the chip you have on your shoulder.
Do what you like, couldn't care less
You clearly care enough to keep on insinuating I'm some kind of fake.
It doesn't really matter that you are, I just noticed that's all. Carry on, no one seems to mind
That's because most people aren't ridiculous enough to think I'm some kind of fake.
No, only 6.000 were already members according to the Sun:
Of the 56,000 weeded out so far;
* 47,000 were found not to be on the electoral roll, meaning their names could have been made up.
* 6,000 broke the rules by registering to vote twice, with many of them being members of the left-wing Unite union
* 3,000 were deemed not to share Labour’s values.
That makes no sense. It would have to mean that it was overwhelmingly union affiliates who turned out not to be on the electoral roll. Surely the joke entries and made-up names would be overwhelmingly amongst the £3 brigade.
I think certain lefty people tend to use "witch" and "bitch" of Tory women they dislike (CF: the Thatcher death song). Or of Labour women - Liz Kendal is a "Tory bitch" in some of the more polite insults - though these seem to be from campaigners outside Labour - Greens, SWPers, Counterfire, NCAFC and pseudo-anarchist types, and so on.
Personally I'm quite happy using harridan ("a strict, bossy, or belligerent old woman") if the cap fits on someone dererving imo derision or ridicule (eg Harriet or Polly), and I have some citations to prove it. It also seems appropriate for the particular type of campaiging media-political feminist with a stock-in-trade of abusive language about men. Probably not for PB, though, since it is generally civilised here.
I like the taste for Medieval insults too. Certain members of a certain cycling forum were not happy with an analysis of the Green Manifesto which included "barmpots".
I think the Kendall abuse is terrible. And I had a feeling you'd mention feminists in regard to calling women harridans!
Personally, I think gendered insults in general should be avoided.
Which makes it more likely schools will be defensive about any problems it identifies and ignore it, rather than dealing with them - and even if they are dealt with, they are not likely to make things better.
And that's why the education system is messed up....
Well, one reason. I have to say though, that in some OFSTED reports, even very negative ones, it's difficult to find practical suggestions for improvement that would improve the quality of the said education system. For example, it is possible to be placed in special measures as a school even if you have 100% top grades at GCSE if you can't prove on paper that this was because of the way you taught them. You might be working long hours, planning amazing lessons, moving each child along at exactly the right pace to get them an A, and unless it's logged, progress is shown on a tracking sheet and the Head of Department has done a report on it, it counts for absolutely nothing.
To be honest, that is a joke - because I would rather be teaching than jumping through hoops for OFSTED. It also lengthens my working day (especially as a Head of Department) which makes me tired, and leaves me with less energy for important things like, y'know, standing up and teaching.
And of course, they all espouse very 1960s child-centred methods, and if you don't teach in that particular way, doesn't matter whether or not it works for you or for that class, you get told it isn't good enough.
I am steadily coming to the conclusion that OFSTED is a serious brake on progress and things will not improve until it is got rid of. Strangely, that is also the view of a friend of mine who has worked for them for 15 years and always defended them until about 12 months ago.
The Labour people (and non-Labour, for that matter) don't really see Abbott as racist. I think part of that is racism is generally seen as white-on-ethnic minorities, as opposed to other way round. I only found out Abbott's views for example, in the last year or so.
That's exactly my point. Labour are completely hypocritical on racism, seeing it as "not really racism" in their own ranks and ignoring it, while jumping incredibly fast to put the label on others. Corbyn is the most egregious, but it is widespread in the Labour party. That is why I would like to see a different party as Her Majesty's Opposition.
Yes, but my point was was that it's beyond Labour - it's a cultural view of racism. It's only started to change recently. And while Labour has its bad points, so do the LDs and UKIP as I mentioned previously.
And, to be fair(!) to Saddam for mny years Iraq was a genuinely secular state, where, if one didn't make waves (etc) life was very similar to the West. That's not to say that the Iraqui Baaath party didn't come to power through vicious bloodshed.
And there were rumours of other massacres too. One an old lecturer of mine told me about - whether it was true or hearsay I'm not sure - was where all the children in a village were lined up and machine-gunned, while their parents were forced to clap. Seems a strange thing to do, but I could believe it of Uday.
Hmmm indeed. Point taken indeed. However IIRC Saddam appeared to really go off his trolley around about the time the Iran-Iraq War started.
I don't know enough to say for definite one way or another. However, I don't suppose he got to the top of the Ba'ath party by being nice to people. He almost certainly did get progressively worse (that's normal for a dictator) but wasn't he head of the secret police before coming to power (which I think was in the late 1970s)? That would suggest to me he had a history of violence and brutality.
For anyone tempted to wistfully think back on the tranquil Saddam years, may I recommend a read of 'Republic of Fear'?
Life was fine if you were not a Kurd, a Marsh Arab, critical of Saddam, or married to someone Uday took a fancy to. And while the regime was secular until the Iran/Iraq war, it was by no means equal opportunity religion-wise. Shia, Turkomen, Christians and Kurds held administrative positions only because they could have no power base to challenge Saddam. All the real power was held in Tikrit.
No, only 6.000 were already members according to the Sun:
Of the 56,000 weeded out so far;
* 47,000 were found not to be on the electoral roll, meaning their names could have been made up.
* 6,000 broke the rules by registering to vote twice, with many of them being members of the left-wing Unite union
* 3,000 were deemed not to share Labour’s values.
That makes no sense. It would have to mean that it was overwhelmingly union affiliates who turned out not to be on the electoral roll. Surely the joke entries and made-up names would be overwhelmingly amongst the £3 brigade.
Not necessarily. They may not be made up names. They may be people that may not be on the electoral register. I know a couple of hard lefties who gave up on electoral politics but are still engaged in grassroots politics through unions and other initiatives. There are more than 6 million people that are not on the electoral roll.
Scottish Labour's public services spokesman Dr Richard Simpson said: "NHS staff work round the clock to provide the care Scots need but it is becoming increasingly clear that they are facing an uphill struggle because the SNP have squeezed health spending in Scotland harder than even the Tories in England.
My parents had a guest from Switzerland recently. As luck would have it he had a heart attack. Took him to NHS hospital in Aberdeen - treated brilliantly, operation to put stents in his arteries. No charge. They're not in the EU. The NHS prefers to treat the world and then just ask the Government for more money.
The NHS are VERY quick at chasing up payment from those not entitled to free treatment.
Friend from Guernsey involved in a life threatening accident in the UK - NHS A&E brilliant - but after things settled down, asked where the bill (by then in the hundreds of thousands) should be sent.....fortunately employer ponyed up...
Listening to Yvette, who I am glad I have backed btw (have I mentioned that already?), it is difficult not to wonder what on earth Mr Cooper must be thinking.
The only credible and best big beast the party doesn't have. But oh how they need him.
I don't think he would be successful, come 2020, but he would, analagously to T Blair's reaction to Michael Howard, provoke a "happy to get back to serious, grown-up politics" response at PMQs and beyond.
Morley & Outwood 2015 is probably one of the three most significant individual constituency results in the last 40 years, alongside Bristol SE East 1983 and Enfield Southgate 1997.
You need to look at Balls's loser's speech at the declaration.. Labour would unite... work together etc etc etc
That's quite disappointing that Labour have done that. Then again, most political parties seem hypocritical one way of another. Certainly electing Corbyn is very hypocritical. Labour can't espouse beliefs on equality only to elect a man who associates with terrorists.
What has associating with terrorists got to do with beliefs in equality?
Hardly the most obvious opposites
Hanging out with terrorists who most likely will have certain 'views' regarding say the role of women is hardly the done thing for an advocate of equality.
0/10 v poor answer
Have you suddenly become a teacher?
Prob about as likely as you being a 21yr old mixed race female student!
So you've become a teacher then!
In all seriousness, why on earth do you think I'm some kind of liar? It's rare that someone young, female, and an from a BME background would be interested in politics, but it's not something impossible, and you seem to be asserting it is.
Then again in Kipper world only white men must be interested in politics....
With every post the mask slips further
Okay you're just a bit weird. I don't know why you bother to reply to my posts, if you think I'm such a liar.
Whoever you are pretending to be, its still worth puncturing your awful reasoning from time to time
I'll ignore your posts in the future, given the chip you have on your shoulder.
Do what you like, couldn't care less
You clearly care enough to keep on insinuating I'm some kind of fake.
It doesn't really matter that you are, I just noticed that's all. Carry on, no one seems to mind
That's because most people aren't ridiculous enough to think I'm some kind of fake.
Miss, the way to make the doubters look very silly is for you to turn up at a PB PubMeet. They happen in London quite often, there is planning afoot for one in Leeds next month and one at Duxford too. Mr Brooke runs them in the Midlands and down in Sussex we have them from time to time, but at lunchtimes normally. So unless you are in the West Country there should be a PubMeet near you soonish
Not necessarily. They may not be made up names. They may be people that may not be on the electoral register. I know a couple of hard lefties who gave up on electoral politics but are still engaged in grassroots politics through unions and other initiatives. There are more than 6 million people that are not on the electoral register.
Even so, they'd surely show up more amongst the three quidders than the affliates. I can't see that these figures are compatible with those posted earlier on the numbers rejected by group: Members 6,782, Affiliates 41,521, Three-quidders 8,496
On the other hand, I can well believe that most of the duplicates of existing memberships would be amongst the affiliates.
Listening to Yvette, who I am glad I have backed btw (have I mentioned that already?), it is difficult not to wonder what on earth Mr Cooper must be thinking.
The only credible and best big beast the party doesn't have. But oh how they need him.
I don't think he would be successful, come 2020, but he would, analagously to T Blair's reaction to Michael Howard, provoke a "happy to get back to serious, grown-up politics" response at PMQs and beyond.
Morley & Outwood 2015 is probably one of the three most significant individual constituency results in the last 40 years, alongside Bristol SE East 1983 and Enfield Southgate 1997.
You need to look at Balls's loser's speech at the declaration.. Labour would unite... work together etc etc etc
True - but Portillo said much the same thing. It's more or less expected you make a gracious speech predicting how the party will rally after even the heaviest defeat.
After all, whatever he really thought it wouldn't have done him or Yvette or anyone any good if he had stood up and said, 'OK, guys, I admit it, we're a bunch of sh1ts whom you have rightly not voted for and I look forward to watching the party fall apart over some lefty nobody I've never even heard of in 14 years in parliament because let's face it, we deserve it.'
Not necessarily. They may not be made up names. They may be people that may not be on the electoral register. I know a couple of hard lefties who gave up on electoral politics but are still engaged in grassroots politics through unions and other initiatives. There are more than 6 million people that are not on the electoral register.
Even so, they'd surely show up more amongst the three quidders than the affliates. I can't see that these figures are compatible with those posted earlier on the numbers rejected by group: Members 6,782, Affiliates 41,521, Three-quidders 8,496
On the other hand, I can well believe that most of the duplicates of existing memberships would be amongst the affiliates.
I don't think you would have had that many made up names among the 3 quid members because they had to pay by credit card. How many people have a credit card issued to a fake name?
Miss, the way to make the doubters look very silly is for you to turn up at a PB PubMet. They happen in London quite often, there is planning afoot for one in Leeds next month and one at Duxford too. Mr Brooke runs them in the Midlands and down in Sussex we have them from time to time, but at lunchtimes normally. So unless you are in the West Country there should be a PubMeet near you soonish
I live in Watford, so a PB PubMuT in London would suit me best, so I'll keep an eye out for when one is happening there. Are they usually at weekends?
nobody looks fondly on the Saddam years. But nobody will be looking fondly on the post-Saddam years either.
as for the most overrated luxury food stuff, has to be those coffee beans that go through some animal's digestive system. Poseur material of the most blatent kind.
Scottish Labour's public services spokesman Dr Richard Simpson said: "NHS staff work round the clock to provide the care Scots need but it is becoming increasingly clear that they are facing an uphill struggle because the SNP have squeezed health spending in Scotland harder than even the Tories in England.
My parents had a guest from Switzerland recently. As luck would have it he had a heart attack. Took him to NHS hospital in Aberdeen - treated brilliantly, operation to put stents in his arteries. No charge. They're not in the EU. The NHS prefers to treat the world and then just ask the Government for more money.
The NHS are VERY quick at chasing up payment from those not entitled to free treatment.
Friend from Guernsey involved in a life threatening accident in the UK - NHS A&E brilliant - but after things settled down, asked where the bill (by then in the hundreds of thousands) should be sent.....fortunately employer ponyed up...
Ms Vance, was this in Scotland. That the contrary example was could be relevant.
The Labour people (and non-Labour, for that matter) don't really see Abbott as racist. I think part of that is racism is generally seen as white-on-ethnic minorities, as opposed to other way round. I only found out Abbott's views for example, in the last year or so.
That's exactly my point. Labour are completely hypocritical on racism, seeing it as "not really racism" in their own ranks and ignoring it, while jumping incredibly fast to put the label on others. Corbyn is the most egregious, but it is widespread in the Labour party. That is why I would like to see a different party as Her Majesty's Opposition.
Yes, but my point was was that it's beyond Labour - it's a cultural view of racism. It's only started to change recently. And while Labour has its bad points, so do the LDs and UKIP as I mentioned previously.
It's a cultural view that has only existed on the Left, and it is far more dominant in Labour circles. When a Labour politician calls for Abbott to be kicked out the party, I'll believe they are confronting the issue.
And, to be fair(!) to Saddam for mny years Iraq was a genuinely secular state, where, if one didn't make waves (etc) life was very similar to the West. That's not to say that the Iraqui Baaath party didn't come to power through vicious bloodshed.
And there were rumours of other massacres too. One an old lecturer of mine told me about - whether it was true or hearsay I'm not sure - was where all the children in a village were lined up and machine-gunned, while their parents were forced to clap. Seems a strange thing to do, but I could believe it of Uday.
Hmmm indeed. Point taken indeed. However IIRC Saddam appeared to really go off his trolley around about the time the Iran-Iraq War started.
I don't know enough to say for definite one way or another. However, I don't suppose he got to the top of the Ba'ath party by being nice to people. He almost certainly did get progressively worse (that's normal for a dictator) but wasn't he head of the secret police before coming to power (which I think was in the late 1970s)? That would suggest to me he had a history of violence and brutality.
For anyone tempted to wistfully think back on the tranquil Saddam years, may I recommend a read of 'Republic of Fear'?
Life was fine if you were not a Kurd, a Marsh Arab, critical of Saddam, or married to someone Uday took a fancy to. And while the regime was secular until the Iran/Iraq war, it was by no means equal opportunity religion-wise. Shia, Turkomen, Christians and Kurds held administrative positions only because they could have no power base to challenge Saddam. All the real power was held in Tikrit.
I don't think you would have had that many made up names among the 3 quid members because they had to pay by credit card. How many people have a credit card issued to a fake name?
Well, various cats and llamas seemed to manage it!
Presumably, though, the affiliates would be real union members rather than made-up names (if not, there might be an even bigger scandal lurking here).
Those Labour Members of Parliament who have misused parliamentary privilege and their special position on these matters should apologise. They have behaved disgracefully, especially attacking dead parliamentarians who cannot defend themselves and others and they should make amends. They are welcome to sue me for libel.
In particular, Mr Tom Watson, M.P. should state, outside the protection of the House of Commons, the names of ex Ministers and ex M.P.s who he feels are part of the so called alleged Westminster rent boy ring.
Don't worry, Mr Cole (or should that be Your Venerable Highness?) - whatever your suggestions, you could never begin to rival Galloway's creepiness and dishonesty.
In case anyone has forgotten what is meant by that:
Scottish Labour's public services spokesman Dr Richard Simpson said: "NHS staff work round the clock to provide the care Scots need but it is becoming increasingly clear that they are facing an uphill struggle because the SNP have squeezed health spending in Scotland harder than even the Tories in England.
My parents had a guest from Switzerland recently. As luck would have it he had a heart attack. Took him to NHS hospital in Aberdeen - treated brilliantly, operation to put stents in his arteries. No charge. They're not in the EU. The NHS prefers to treat the world and then just ask the Government for more money.
The NHS are VERY quick at chasing up payment from those not entitled to free treatment.
Friend from Guernsey involved in a life threatening accident in the UK - NHS A&E brilliant - but after things settled down, asked where the bill (by then in the hundreds of thousands) should be sent.....fortunately employer ponyed up...
Ms Vance, was this in Scotland. That the contrary example was could be relevant.
Couldn't it?
No, it was England - of course! Run by the incompetent Tories!
The good ones are horrible leeches. The bad ones verge on the criminal.
I think you may have had the Big BE (Bad Experience) (?)
The good ones are professionals doing a professional job. For example, one I use turns away landlords and properties that don't meet the required "Comfort Standard", which (for student houses) includes:
37" Flat screen TV (preferably wall mounted) TV licence included as part of the rent Spacious rooms (~10sqm+) - All designed to have double beds and large desks Tall fridge and separate tall freezer (or combination) A designated eating area. In some cases that will be a dining area with table and chairs, or for others a good sized breakfast bar with stools. Either double or 3/4 beds in all bedrooms. If the room cannot fit a 3/4 bed in, we don't think it's big enough to be a bedroom!
Hating on agents too much will backfire, as Scotland discovered. They banned agency fees so rents had to go up instead, and competition pressure was removed. So no pressure to reduce fees, as they are not allowed to tell anyone what the hidden fees are.
May need to agree to differ, methinks.
Wow. I never had anything close to that when I was a student.
But now, the trouble with letting agents is they charge tenants but tenants aren't their customers - landlords are. And they never treat their tenants as customers but as cash cows.
As it stands they have no incentive to reduce fees as the tenants are stuck paying them regardless, and can't shop around for lower fees. You don't choose a flat because of the letting agent fees.
At some point, one of these seriously right wing populist parties is going to take power in a European country, especially as the immigration crisis escalates. And then....
"A guy named Adolf Hitler won an election in 1932. He won an election, and 50 million people died as a result of that election in World War II, including 6 million Jews. So what I learned as a little kid is that politics is, in fact, very important.”
- Bernie Sanders.
For a given value of 'won' - most seats and most votes, but very far short of being able to form a government especially as the Reichstag was more or less moribund by 1932.
It was the intriguing of Papen and Oscar Hindenburg that made Hitler Chancellor, not the election results. One thought though - they intended to use him to harness the popular support he was whipping up for their own ends. Now, is there any possible parallel with that today?
I don't think you would have had that many made up names among the 3 quid members because they had to pay by credit card. How many people have a credit card issued to a fake name?
Well, various cats and llamas seemed to manage it!
Presumably, though, the affiliates would be real union members rather than made-up names (if not, there might be an even bigger scandal lurking here).
How about this: Some union members are foreigners who are not on the electoral roll. Others are British but also not on the electoral roll.
Scottish Labour's public services spokesman Dr Richard Simpson said: "NHS staff work round the clock to provide the care Scots need but it is becoming increasingly clear that they are facing an uphill struggle because the SNP have squeezed health spending in Scotland harder than even the Tories in England.
My parents had a guest from Switzerland recently. As luck would have it he had a heart attack. Took him to NHS hospital in Aberdeen - treated brilliantly, operation to put stents in his arteries. No charge. They're not in the EU. The NHS prefers to treat the world and then just ask the Government for more money.
The NHS are VERY quick at chasing up payment from those not entitled to free treatment.
Friend from Guernsey involved in a life threatening accident in the UK - NHS A&E brilliant - but after things settled down, asked where the bill (by then in the hundreds of thousands) should be sent.....fortunately employer ponyed up...
Ms Vance, was this in Scotland. That the contrary example was could be relevant.
Couldn't it?
No, it was England - of course! Run by the incompetent Tories!
Ah, the country where inspectors stand in each hospital and surgery to make sure that non Brits pay their full share!
At some point, one of these seriously right wing populist parties is going to take power in a European country, especially as the immigration crisis escalates. And then....
"A guy named Adolf Hitler won an election in 1932. He won an election, and 50 million people died as a result of that election in World War II, including 6 million Jews. So what I learned as a little kid is that politics is, in fact, very important.”
- Bernie Sanders.
For a given value of 'won' - most seats and most votes, but very far short of being able to form a government especially as the Reichstag was more or less moribund by 1932.
It was the intriguing of Papen and Oscar Hindenburg that made Hitler Chancellor, not the election results. One thought though - they intended to use him to harness the popular support he was whipping up for their own ends. Now, is there any possible parallel with that today?
At some point, one of these seriously right wing populist parties is going to take power in a European country, especially as the immigration crisis escalates. And then....
"A guy named Adolf Hitler won an election in 1932. He won an election, and 50 million people died as a result of that election in World War II, including 6 million Jews. So what I learned as a little kid is that politics is, in fact, very important.”
- Bernie Sanders.
For a given value of 'won' - most seats and most votes, but very far short of being able to form a government especially as the Reichstag was more or less moribund by 1932.
It was the intriguing of Papen and Oscar Hindenburg that made Hitler Chancellor, not the election results. One thought though - they intended to use him to harness the popular support he was whipping up for their own ends. Now, is there any possible parallel with that today?
Scottish Labour's public services spokesman Dr Richard Simpson said: "NHS staff work round the clock to provide the care Scots need but it is becoming increasingly clear that they are facing an uphill struggle because the SNP have squeezed health spending in Scotland harder than even the Tories in England.
My parents had a guest from Switzerland recently. As luck would have it he had a heart attack. Took him to NHS hospital in Aberdeen - treated brilliantly, operation to put stents in his arteries. No charge. They're not in the EU. The NHS prefers to treat the world and then just ask the Government for more money.
The NHS are VERY quick at chasing up payment from those not entitled to free treatment.
Friend from Guernsey involved in a life threatening accident in the UK - NHS A&E brilliant - but after things settled down, asked where the bill (by then in the hundreds of thousands) should be sent.....fortunately employer ponyed up...
Ms Vance, was this in Scotland. That the contrary example was could be relevant.
Couldn't it?
No, it was England - of course! Run by the incompetent Tories!
Ah, the country where inspectors stand in each hospital and surgery to make sure that non Brits pay their full share!
I think when you are at death's door in the ICU they can take their time.....but thx for your compassionate concern......
Scottish Labour's public services spokesman Dr Richard Simpson said: "NHS staff work round the clock to provide the care Scots need but it is becoming increasingly clear that they are facing an uphill struggle because the SNP have squeezed health spending in Scotland harder than even the Tories in England.
My parents had a guest from Switzerland recently. As luck would have it he had a heart attack. Took him to NHS hospital in Aberdeen - treated brilliantly, operation to put stents in his arteries. No charge. They're not in the EU. The NHS prefers to treat the world and then just ask the Government for more money.
The NHS are VERY quick at chasing up payment from those not entitled to free treatment.
Friend from Guernsey involved in a life threatening accident in the UK - NHS A&E brilliant - but after things settled down, asked where the bill (by then in the hundreds of thousands) should be sent.....fortunately employer ponyed up...
Ms Vance, was this in Scotland. That the contrary example was could be relevant.
Couldn't it?
No, it was England - of course! Run by the incompetent Tories!
Ah, the country where inspectors stand in each hospital and surgery to make sure that non Brits pay their full share!
I think when you are at death's door in the ICU they can take their time.....but thx for your compassionate concern......
My sister is a Channel Islands resident and needs highly specialist care. She gwts some support from the local government but has to pay in UK, although she was a UK taxpayer for many years.
If Fox News are coming out against Corbyn, is it time to warm to him?
Improbable though it may seem Jonathan, there are times when even Fox News are correct!
What's more remarkable is that Murdoch has backed Corbyn and now pretty much his entire media empire have started savaging him. Very odd. Either Murdoch has lost control, or he's trying to hedge his bets somehow. But if it's the latter, he's not making a very good job of it - tactically, the other way around would have been not merely better but a whole lot more plausible.
How about this: Some union members are foreigners who are not on the electoral roll. Others are British but also not on the electoral roll.
Maybe, but the numbers look high.
If that is the explanation, it might be relatively neutral in terms of who they'd support.
To the extent that they are foreigners who are not on the electoral roll, yes I agree. If they're British but not on the electoral roll, I would think they they're much more inclined toward Corbyn. I can see people outside of mainstream politics energized by Jezza. The same can't be said for the likes of Burnham and Cooper.
The good ones are horrible leeches. The bad ones verge on the criminal.
I think you may have had the Big BE (Bad Experience) (?)
The good ones are professionals doing a professional job. For example, one I use turns away landlords and properties that don't meet the required "Comfort Standard", which (for student houses) includes:
37" Flat screen TV (preferably wall mounted) TV licence included as part of the rent Spacious rooms (~10sqm+) - All designed to have double beds and large desks Tall fridge and separate tall freezer (or combination) A designated eating area. In some cases that will be a dining area with table and chairs, or for others a good sized breakfast bar with stools. Either double or 3/4 beds in all bedrooms. If the room cannot fit a 3/4 bed in, we don't think it's big enough to be a bedroom!
Hating on agents too much will backfire, as Scotland discovered. They banned agency fees so rents had to go up instead, and competition pressure was removed. So no pressure to reduce fees, as they are not allowed to tell anyone what the hidden fees are.
May need to agree to differ, methinks.
Wow. I never had anything close to that when I was a student.
But now, the trouble with letting agents is they charge tenants but tenants aren't their customers - landlords are. And they never treat their tenants as customers but as cash cows.
As it stands they have no incentive to reduce fees as the tenants are stuck paying them regardless, and can't shop around for lower fees. You don't choose a flat because of the letting agent fees.
That list is amazing. I have a 24 inch TV and a sub-standard-height fridge-freezer. Lucky students. (I do have a TV licence though, in case you're listening, BBC/GCHQ!)
Those Labour Members of Parliament who have misused parliamentary privilege and their special position on these matters should apologise. They have behaved disgracefully, especially attacking dead parliamentarians who cannot defend themselves and others and they should make amends. They are welcome to sue me for libel.
In particular, Mr Tom Watson, M.P. should state, outside the protection of the House of Commons, the names of ex Ministers and ex M.P.s who he feels are part of the so called alleged Westminster rent boy ring.
The whole statement needs to be read. It is a riveting read. And some names have been named (albeit by someone who is passionately seeking to clear his own name).
My favourite passage?
"At the end of the interview I was asked if I knew my 8 alleged co conspirators whose homes it was alleged I had visited. I believe I have a good recollection and the list comprised a number of people I knew, some who I had heard of but not met and some I did not know. None of the allegations were alleged to have taken place at my home and I have not visited the homes of any of the “gang”.
14. The list included the names of the late Leon Brittan and the late Edward Heath.
15. If it was not so serious, it would be laughable.
16. Edward Heath sacked me from the Conservative Party’s parliamentary candidates’ list in 1974. Mrs Thatcher restored me to the list 18 months later. Edward Heath despised me and he disliked my views particularly on limiting immigration from the New Commonwealth and Pakistan and my opposition to our entry into and continued membership of what is now know as the E.U. ; I opposed his corporate statist views on the Economy. I despised him too… He had sacked the late Enoch Powell, my political “hero” from the Shadow Cabinet when I was Chairman of the University of York Conservative Association. I regarded Enoch as an intellectual giant in comparison with Heath.
17. The same Edward Heath, not surprisingly, would never speak to me in the House of Commons but would snort at me as he passed me by in a Commons corridor. The feeling was entirely mutual.
18. Now I am accused of doing some of these dreadful things in his London house as well; a house to which I was never invited and to which Heath would never have invited me and to which I would have declined his invitation.
19. The same Edward Heath’s home with CCTV, housekeeper, private secretary, chauffeur, police and private detectives – all the trappings of a former Prime Minister – in the security conscious days of the IRA’s assault on London.
20. It is so farfetched as to be unbelievable. It is unbelievable because it is not true. My situation has transformed from Kafka- esque bewilderment to black farce incredulity."
The Labour people (and non-Labour, for that matter) don't really see Abbott as racist. I think part of that is racism is generally seen as white-on-ethnic minorities, as opposed to other way round. I only found out Abbott's views for example, in the last year or so.
That's exactly my point. Labour are completely hypocritical on racism, seeing it as "not really racism" in their own ranks and ignoring it, while jumping incredibly fast to put the label on others. Corbyn is the most egregious, but it is widespread in the Labour party. That is why I would like to see a different party as Her Majesty's Opposition.
At some point, one of these seriously right wing populist parties is going to take power in a European country, especially as the immigration crisis escalates. And then....
"A guy named Adolf Hitler won an election in 1932. He won an election, and 50 million people died as a result of that election in World War II, including 6 million Jews. So what I learned as a little kid is that politics is, in fact, very important.”
- Bernie Sanders.
Sanders is right there. That Electograph website is great for PBers, by the way. I see there's a huge swing to the left in Norway, with the far right party among those losing ground (and the Swedish poll that put the Sweden Democrats ahead seems to have been an outlier). A general problem for the far right, as perhaps for Trump and the populist new left parties except in Greece, often seems to be that there's a ceiling to potential support, and when a party gets through it most people recoil and grab the nearest centrist alternative - we've seen that happen in France more than once now.
Scottish Labour's public services spokesman Dr Richard Simpson said: "NHS staff work round the clock to provide the care Scots need but it is becoming increasingly clear that they are facing an uphill struggle because the SNP have squeezed health spending in Scotland harder than even the Tories in England.
My parents had a guest from Switzerland recently. As luck would have it he had a heart attack. Took him to NHS hospital in Aberdeen - treated brilliantly, operation to put stents in his arteries. No charge. They're not in the EU. The NHS prefers to treat the world and then just ask the Government for more money.
The NHS are VERY quick at chasing up payment from those not entitled to free treatment.
Friend from Guernsey involved in a life threatening accident in the UK - NHS A&E brilliant - but after things settled down, asked where the bill (by then in the hundreds of thousands) should be sent.....fortunately employer ponyed up...
Ms Vance, was this in Scotland. That the contrary example was could be relevant.
Couldn't it?
No, it was England - of course! Run by the incompetent Tories!
Ah, the country where inspectors stand in each hospital and surgery to make sure that non Brits pay their full share!
I think when you are at death's door in the ICU they can take their time.....but thx for your compassionate concern......
My sister is a Channel Islands resident and needs highly specialist care. She gwts some support from the local government but has to pay in UK, although she was a UK taxpayer for many years.
Depends on which island. For many years there was a 'reciprocal health agreement' - Brit falls ill in Channel Islands/Channel Islander falls ill in Britain - they get looked after. Then the UK tore it up - now Brits need travel insurance when they visit here & vice versa.
At some point, one of these seriously right wing populist parties is going to take power in a European country, especially as the immigration crisis escalates. And then....
"A guy named Adolf Hitler won an election in 1932. He won an election, and 50 million people died as a result of that election in World War II, including 6 million Jews. So what I learned as a little kid is that politics is, in fact, very important.”
- Bernie Sanders.
For a given value of 'won' - most seats and most votes, but very far short of being able to form a government especially as the Reichstag was more or less moribund by 1932.
It was the intriguing of Papen and Oscar Hindenburg that made Hitler Chancellor, not the election results. One thought though - they intended to use him to harness the popular support he was whipping up for their own ends. Now, is there any possible parallel with that today?
Sanders is right there. That Electograph website is great for PBers, by the way. I see there's a huge swing to the left in Norway, with the far right party among those losing ground (and the Swedish poll that put the Sweden Democrats ahead seems to have been an outlier). A general problem for the far right, as perhaps for Trump and the populist new left parties except in Greece, often seems to be that there's a ceiling to potential support, and when a party gets through it most people recoil and grab the nearest centrist alternative - we've seen that happen in France more than once now.
'Votez escroc, pas facho' (Vote for the crook not the fascist)'. One of the great election slogans which coincidentally aptly sums up French politics for the last fifty years.
Those Labour Members of Parliament who have misused parliamentary privilege and their special position on these matters should apologise. They have behaved disgracefully, especially attacking dead parliamentarians who cannot defend themselves and others and they should make amends. They are welcome to sue me for libel.
In particular, Mr Tom Watson, M.P. should state, outside the protection of the House of Commons, the names of ex Ministers and ex M.P.s who he feels are part of the so called alleged Westminster rent boy ring.
I think the Kendall abuse is terrible. And I had a feeling you'd mention feminists in regard to calling women harridans!
Personally, I think gendered insults in general should be avoided.
Heh. Quite happy in general to identify as an anti-feminist, but we may have differing circles on the Venn diagram.
I don't go with the "language should not be gendered" idea, and in 99% of cases I reject the idea that because a word meant something in 1546 or 1946 that someone finds unacceptable now we should censor it. That is usually conceding too much power to someone who is trying to use an alleged victimhood as a control lever.
I do that because:
1 - I just do not like having the language neutered by something that might just be a current fashion. 2 - I think it is either a mere gesture or a shallow sticky-plaster solution to an underlying question that needs addressing properly. 3 - Redefining language is sometimes used as an underhand way of marginalising opposition.
An example of the second item is how when "spastic" became unacceptable, the Spastics Society renamed themselves "SCOPE". The next thing that happened was that "a bit scopey" became an adjective that replaced "a bit spastic". It doesn't work.
An example of the latter was Richard Dawkins discussing with his acolytes (*) what words they should make up to try and institutionalise contempt for religion. eg Using "faith-head" in normal conversation rather than "believer" or "religious person", following analogy with "crack-head" for person high on drugs. That term was deliberately chosen. eg
If someone is using gendered insult-words such as "mansplaining" I would feel fully justified in using gender specific words in the conversation or commentary myself.
I think I'd distinguish between whether I am seeking to engage with someone or ridicule/laugh at them. If I have previously tried polite persuasion, I would be a little more rude.
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Of the 56,000 weeded out so far; http://www.rt.com/uk/313381-harman-labour-election-infiltrators/
WOW! That is indeed a significant number. I do wonder how many of those were folks that were not on the electoral roll because they were turned off by the mainstream offering and were drawn to Corbyn. Now they've effectively been purged. Harriet Harman has come a long way. Back in May she said: http://press.labour.org.uk/post/119265824764/time-to-let-in-the-public-in-speech-by-harriet
- Bernie Sanders.
If you have an excess of soft fruit, make it into a late Summer Pudding.
It's for some bloke called "Theo Cuppier".
EDIT: Hang on, it should be "The Occuppier"
It was the intriguing of Papen and Oscar Hindenburg that made Hitler Chancellor, not the election results. One thought though - they intended to use him to harness the popular support he was whipping up for their own ends. Now, is there any possible parallel with that today?
As the poem says, 'There was a young lady of Riga...'
I toasted a slice earlier and popped some butter on - but it was like buttered cake and too sweet. My greyhounds loved broiche rolls and thought I'd try it myself...
Thanks for the suggests all @SimonStClare @Alanbrooke @Luckyguy1983
Surely most of the 41,000 affiliates excluded were already individual members.
ie the Union said "Will you be an affiliate?" The person said "Yes, of course" - not realising it was a waste of time as they were already included as a member and couldn't have two votes.
I have mixed feelings about OFSTED reports. I have seen one for a school I worked in that I thought was bang on the money. On the other hand, I worked in another school where the police had to patrol the corridors because it was such a violent place and, not surprisingly, effective teaching wasn't easy. However, there was a lot of very good teaching going on, in spite of all the difficulties, and most children did get through their GCSEs. Teaching was graded a '4' ('inadequate') and behaviour was said to 'require improvement.'
I think the key problem is it's now all about promoting the careers of figures within OFSTED rather than about making a rational judgement on strengths/weaknesses to help the school get better. Which makes it more likely schools will be defensive about any problems it identifies and ignore it, rather than dealing with them - and even if they are dealt with, they are not likely to make things better.
And black pudding.
Winkles... Argh.
You decadent bourgeois capitalists!
Indeed with that slightly out there NAACP lady there was also suggestions of race-fluidity as well as the more classic gender-fluidity, the sexual spectrum and the classic adage you are only as old as you feel.
Apocolypse adds to the debate - that is more than enough no?
Personally I'm quite happy using harridan ("a strict, bossy, or belligerent old woman") if the cap fits on someone deserving imo derision or ridicule, and I have some citations to prove it. It also seems appropriate for the particular type of campaiging media-political feminist with a stock-in-trade of abusive language about men. Probably not for PB, though, since it is generally civilised here.
I like the taste for Medieval insults too. Certain members of a certain cycling forum were not happy with an analysis of the Green Manifesto which included "barmpots".
Just spotted a "Liz Kendal needs electrocution lessons - and I'm not joking" tweet. Ouch.
Of the 56,000 weeded out so far;
* 47,000 were found not to be on the electoral roll, meaning their names could have been made up.
* 6,000 broke the rules by registering to vote twice, with many of them being members of the left-wing Unite union
* 3,000 were deemed not to share Labour’s values.
http://www.sunnation.co.uk/labour-chiefs-bar-56000-dodgy-bids-to-vote-in-leadership-contest/
If this information from The Sun is correct then I think this could indeed be a game changer. It seems that the unions came up with a lot of voters who were not on the electoral register.
Personally, I think gendered insults in general should be avoided.
To be honest, that is a joke - because I would rather be teaching than jumping through hoops for OFSTED. It also lengthens my working day (especially as a Head of Department) which makes me tired, and leaves me with less energy for important things like, y'know, standing up and teaching.
And of course, they all espouse very 1960s child-centred methods, and if you don't teach in that particular way, doesn't matter whether or not it works for you or for that class, you get told it isn't good enough.
I am steadily coming to the conclusion that OFSTED is a serious brake on progress and things will not improve until it is got rid of. Strangely, that is also the view of a friend of mine who has worked for them for 15 years and always defended them until about 12 months ago.
Life was fine if you were not a Kurd, a Marsh Arab, critical of Saddam, or married to someone Uday took a fancy to. And while the regime was secular until the Iran/Iraq war, it was by no means equal opportunity religion-wise. Shia, Turkomen, Christians and Kurds held administrative positions only because they could have no power base to challenge Saddam. All the real power was held in Tikrit.
http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/i-am-a/journalist/electoral-commission-media-centre/news-releases-reviews-and-research/new-report-shows-at-least-6m-people-not-registered-to-vote
Friend from Guernsey involved in a life threatening accident in the UK - NHS A&E brilliant - but after things settled down, asked where the bill (by then in the hundreds of thousands) should be sent.....fortunately employer ponyed up...
On the other hand, I can well believe that most of the duplicates of existing memberships would be amongst the affiliates.
After all, whatever he really thought it wouldn't have done him or Yvette or anyone any good if he had stood up and said, 'OK, guys, I admit it, we're a bunch of sh1ts whom you have rightly not voted for and I look forward to watching the party fall apart over some lefty nobody I've never even heard of in 14 years in parliament because let's face it, we deserve it.'
as for the most overrated luxury food stuff, has to be those coffee beans that go through some animal's digestive system. Poseur material of the most blatent kind.
Couldn't it?
Presumably, though, the affiliates would be real union members rather than made-up names (if not, there might be an even bigger scandal lurking here).
Those Labour Members of Parliament who have misused parliamentary privilege and their special position on these matters should apologise. They have behaved disgracefully, especially attacking dead parliamentarians who cannot defend themselves and others and they should make amends. They are welcome to sue me for libel.
In particular, Mr Tom Watson, M.P. should state, outside the protection of the House of Commons, the names of ex Ministers and ex M.P.s who he feels are part of the so called alleged Westminster rent boy ring.
https://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/2015/08/25/full-statement-of-harvey-proctor/
https://twitter.com/PlatoSays/status/636178734299549697
In case anyone has forgotten what is meant by that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzWNXEtwHUc
But now, the trouble with letting agents is they charge tenants but tenants aren't their customers - landlords are. And they never treat their tenants as customers but as cash cows.
As it stands they have no incentive to reduce fees as the tenants are stuck paying them regardless, and can't shop around for lower fees. You don't choose a flat because of the letting agent fees.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34043725
If that is the explanation, it might be relatively neutral in terms of who they'd support.
01 Burnham
02 Cooper
03 Corbyn
04 Kendall
Stella Creasy got my 1st pref in the deputy contest.
What's more remarkable is that Murdoch has backed Corbyn and now pretty much his entire media empire have started savaging him. Very odd. Either Murdoch has lost control, or he's trying to hedge his bets somehow. But if it's the latter, he's not making a very good job of it - tactically, the other way around would have been not merely better but a whole lot more plausible.
My favourite passage?
"At the end of the interview I was asked if I knew my 8 alleged co conspirators whose homes it was alleged I had visited. I believe I have a good recollection and the list comprised a number of people I knew, some who I had heard of but not met and some I did not know. None of the allegations were alleged to have taken place at my home and I have not visited the homes of any of the “gang”.
14. The list included the names of the late Leon Brittan and the late Edward Heath.
15. If it was not so serious, it would be laughable.
16. Edward Heath sacked me from the Conservative Party’s parliamentary candidates’ list in 1974. Mrs Thatcher restored me to the list 18 months later. Edward Heath despised me and he disliked my views particularly on limiting immigration from the New Commonwealth and Pakistan and my opposition to our entry into and continued membership of what is now know as the E.U. ; I opposed his corporate statist views on the Economy. I despised him too… He had sacked the late Enoch Powell, my political “hero” from the Shadow Cabinet when I was Chairman of the University of York Conservative Association. I regarded Enoch as an intellectual giant in comparison with Heath.
17. The same Edward Heath, not surprisingly, would never speak to me in the House of Commons but would snort at me as he passed me by in a Commons corridor. The feeling was entirely mutual.
18. Now I am accused of doing some of these dreadful things in his London house as well; a house to which I was never invited and to which Heath would never have invited me and to which I would have declined his invitation.
19. The same Edward Heath’s home with CCTV, housekeeper, private secretary, chauffeur, police and private detectives – all the trappings of a former Prime Minister – in the security conscious days of the IRA’s assault on London.
20. It is so farfetched as to be unbelievable. It is unbelievable because it is not true. My situation has transformed from Kafka- esque bewilderment to black farce incredulity."
I wonder if this will affect Tom (of 'Tom & Jerry)'s chances?
Maybe not one car crash, but two....
I don't go with the "language should not be gendered" idea, and in 99% of cases I reject the idea that because a word meant something in 1546 or 1946 that someone finds unacceptable now we should censor it. That is usually conceding too much power to someone who is trying to use an alleged victimhood as a control lever.
I do that because:
1 - I just do not like having the language neutered by something that might just be a current fashion.
2 - I think it is either a mere gesture or a shallow sticky-plaster solution to an underlying question that needs addressing properly.
3 - Redefining language is sometimes used as an underhand way of marginalising opposition.
An example of the second item is how when "spastic" became unacceptable, the Spastics Society renamed themselves "SCOPE". The next thing that happened was that "a bit scopey" became an adjective that replaced "a bit spastic". It doesn't work.
An example of the latter was Richard Dawkins discussing with his acolytes (*) what words they should make up to try and institutionalise contempt for religion. eg Using "faith-head" in normal conversation rather than "believer" or "religious person", following analogy with "crack-head" for person high on drugs. That term was deliberately chosen. eg
https://twitter.com/richarddawkins/status/426365013163380736
If someone is using gendered insult-words such as "mansplaining" I would feel fully justified in using gender specific words in the conversation or commentary myself.
I think I'd distinguish between whether I am seeking to engage with someone or ridicule/laugh at them. If I have previously tried polite persuasion, I would be a little more rude.