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Andy Burnham on Labour being led by a woman. Methinks not a smart statement
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Isn't it rather rich to complain that the Middle East should sort out its own problems when we are actively involving ourselves IN the Middle East? Had it not been for our intervention, Gadaffi would still be in power in Libya, and Assad would be in full power of Syria. Neither being ideal, but neither being chaotic bloodbaths inspiring mass refugee crises. Perhaps if we stopped intervening, they might find a way to sort themselves out."
Assad lost control, despite the West not intervening in Syria. The West would have to intervene heavily on his behalf for him to remain in power.
In Libya, it was choice between overthrowing Gadaffi, or letting him massacre his enemies, and he might still have been overthrown in any case. Either way, people would have fled across the Mediterranean.
The problem isn't the West's foreign policy. It's maniacs with beards and Kalashnikovs.
He is the worst candidate by far.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ulsters-troubles-cloak-long-history-of-secret-meetings-sinn-fein-is-said-to-have-had-talks-with-the-government-david-mckittrick-traces-clandestine-contacts-with-republicans-1505037.html
Wilson, as LOTO, secretly met them in Dublin in 1971.
Douglas Hurd, Tory Opposition front-bencher "as an individual MP", in 1978.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4uivPpzCGo
May the farce be with you.
as we know Gerry Adams was never a member of the IRA
cough cough
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/telegraphsportnews/10346461/Neil-Kinnock-kicked-out-of-seat-at-Cardiff-City-match-for-wild-celebrations.html
I'm guessing a lot of people in this contest are currently saying they won't vote for anyone but their preferred candidate. Or at least a Corbyn vs ABC divide. I suspect some Labour voters will come home. I imagine a 25-28% or so poll rating for Labour.
- Came out of nowhere as a long-shot outsider
- To the left of the establishment candidates
- Created and harnessed a groundswell of support, particularly among younger voters
OK, so that is a bit thin, but it allows me to come up with Corbama as word of the day.
"Jez we can, comrades"
Yet it's still 1.33-1.34 - this looks like real value. I can no longer see any obstacle to Corbyn becoming elected, and it's only 2.5 weeks until payday.
Asked whether it would be "great" to have a woman leader, Burnham replied: "When the time is right, when the right leader comes along".
The headline is totally fair.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Black_(Captain_Scarlet)
http://www.puppetsandprops.com/Images/Eddie2.jpg
Was Syria a better or worse place to live when Assad's dad was in control? How did HMG help ordinary Syrian's have a better way of life by supporting the so-called Arab Spring?
#Labourleadership breakdown:
Members 292,973 (-6,782)
Affiliate 148,182 (-41,521)
£3 112,799 (-8,496)
TOTAL 553,954 (-56,799)
HT @JeyyLowe
I think the - are purgees, most through not being on the electoral register.
Makes the Tories and Thatcher look light years ahead of these knuckle dragging socialists.
At a time when Putin is annexing territory and engaged in invading Ukraine and Georgia, you think Corbyn's NATO policy is sensible?
On the other subject of the IRA - it is one thing to negotiate face to face with your enemy, and resist them as your enemy - but quite a different one to sit alongside your country's enemy and agree with them as your friend.
You have to question the thought processes of people on here if they cannot recognize that.
I don't think he's being sexist but he has dug himself, yet again, into another hole and one sign of a good leader is that you avoid them and don't create them for yourself in the first place.
This was an obvious question that was going to be put to him at some time and he should have had a form of words worked out. He didn't.
Blimey.
"What he says is what he says. What he says is all lies, of course, but I can guarantee that the words that come out of his mouth will always be completely identical to the words that come out of his mouth."
The only credible and best big beast the party doesn't have. But oh how they need him.
I don't think he would be successful, come 2020, but he would, analagously to T Blair's reaction to Michael Howard, provoke a "happy to get back to serious, grown-up politics" response at PMQs and beyond.
[Note to AB: My rates are very reasonable, if you need a bit of help...and you do]
Edit: sorry, 'a loathsome man'.
*I say nothing about Iraq because it was too long ago and too obviously and appalling criminal action, or about Saudi and the rest of the Arab Gulf states because our policies are current and so obviously geared to the wishes of BAe rather than the good of the British people.
Sadly these remarks must torpedo any chance he had. Bit of a blow for the tory party.
many PBers have said I need help but none have been so kind as to offer it :-)
For the moment, at least...
"Good afternoon, Comrades. In less than an hour, Left-wing activists from here will join others from around the world. And you will be launching the largest political battle in the history of mankind. "Mankind." That word should have new meaning for all of us today. We can't be consumed by our petty differences anymore. We will be united in our common interests. Perhaps it's fate that today is the 12th of September, and you will once again be fighting for our freedom... Not from tyranny, oppression, or persecution... but from annihilation. We are fighting for our right to live. To exist. And should we win the day, the 12th of September will no longer be known as a Labour Party holiday, but as the day the world declared in one voice: "We will not go quietly into the night!" We will not vanish without a fight! We're going to live on! We're going to survive! Today we celebrate our Independence Day!"
"If the Pm says yes it would be damaging in the country, and if the PM says no it would be damaging to the PM personally Napoloenprizewise.. ( possibly not 100% word perfect its from memory)
She said the process was strictly impartial but voters had to support the party's aims and values, which are set out in Clause IV of its rule book."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34047788
Clause IV.
Aims and values
1.The Labour Partyis a democratic socialist part. It believes that by the strength of our common endeavour we achieve more than we achieve alone, so as to create for each of us the means to realise our true potential and for all of us a community in which power, wealth and opportunity are in the hands of the many not the few; where the rights we enjoy reflect the duties we owe and where we livetogether freely, in a spirit of solidarity, tolerance and respect.
2.To these ends we work for:
A DYNAMIC ECONOMY, serving the public interest, in which the enterprise of the market
and the rigour of competition are joined with the forces of partnership and co-operation to produce the wealth the nation needs and the opportunity for all to work and prosper with a
thriving private sector and high quality public services where those undertakings essential to
the common good are either owned by the public or accountable to them
B.A JUST SOCIETY, which judges its strength by the condition of the weak as much as the strong, provides security against fear, and justice atwork; which nurtures families, promotes equality of opportunity, and delivers people from the tyranny of poverty, prejudice and the abuse of power
C.AN OPEN DEMOCRACY, in which government is held to account by the people, decisions are
taken as far as practicable by the communities they affect and where fundamental human
rights are guaranteed
D.A HEALTHY ENVIRONMENT, which we protect, enhance and hold in trust for future generations
3.Labour is committed to the defence and security of the British people and to co-operating in European institutions, the United Nations, the Commonwealth and other international bodies to secure peace, freedom, democracy, economic security and environmental protection for all.
4.Labour shall work in pursuit of these aims with trade unions and co-operative societies and also with voluntary organisations, consumer groups and other representative bodies.
5.On the basis of these principles, Labour seeks the trust of the people to govern.
http://labourlist.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Rule-Book-2013.pdf
Corbyn was quite a disciplined debater. He had his points that he was going to make no matter what the question and he did it consistently. His point was that we needed to spend, sorry, invest our way to prosperity. This involved higher spending on public services, on welfare and, repeatedly, by investing in our productive industries. I never heard him taken up on that but I did not hear the entire program. The only thing he did not want to spend more on was defence.
In the hour or so I was listening I think Burnham contradicted himself at least twice, on whether he could serve with Corbyn and whether public spending should be cut or not (I think the answer was well we know it shouldn't be but that is not what people want to hear so we will say the opposite, nudge, nudge or something) . He was truly awful.
At least until you heard Yvette who wanted big ideas and presumably wanted someone to tell her what these were because she seemed to have none. She was terrible.
At least until you heard Kendall who is so far out of her depth that land must be very hard to see. She might one day become a potential leader. That day is at least 10 years off.
Overall the debate took place in a vacuum that completely failed to recognise that the Tories won a majority just over 100 days ago. The answers to a question about how you persuaded people who had voted Tory was a new low for all of the candidates. If these people were fighting for the leadership of your average local council you would be embarrassed for them.
Where are they now?
I don't know - but Obama pretty soon had to find put that he had to live in the real world.
All over by the looks of it.
Do they have a discredited and widely ridiculed MP who is costing them support they might persuade to step aside?
No, seriously, this long drawn out leader election process, shows the aged, decayed and defective body politic of the Labour party. It creaks and stutters into a shambling movement then lays exausted, tongue out, on the pavement of the MSM, where even it's supporters throw few coppers of cheer.
Can UKIP take advantage of Labours dilemma? Not at the moment, and I say this sadly. UKIP has to iron out it's own creaks and knots before it can act with conviction.
Then again they couldn't run a bath well so won't lay off for the moment either.
https://twitter.com/MattSingh_/status/636173868613378048
But for the duplicity of Miliband and the stupidity of the usual thick suspects on the tory back benches we would have bombed Assad in support of the rebels and in the process supported them against ISIS.
The impotence of the West is not Cameron's fault - it is the fault (the cowardice) of his critics.