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When he did that he chose to associate with some very unpleasant people with morally contemptible views. When doing so he did not think it necessary to challenge those views but instead he called these players "friends". The "governments do this" line is frankly ridiculous and he should be called on it.
But I don't think this is going to make any difference to the result. He has campaigned for this and the others haven't. He has generated enthusiasm. He has brought new blood into the party. I think he just might destroy the Labour party as a party of government but he deserves to win. And the others don't.
Another week or two of such revelations and they will be awkwardly shuffling away from him. But their votes wil already have been cast.
The Chilcott report was successfully held up so that it was not published before the 2015GE, and now looks as if the same is happening for the Labour leadership elections. What is the next impediment for the interested parties involved?
Lab have now joined UKIP & the LDs in needing to work out what they are for. And they must then communicate this clearly to the electorate.
Centrist-ish but nice doesn't seem to have worked.
I'm not saying that we are at the end of (political) history. Yet. But I can understand the rationale of trying out further left as a uniquely Labour position. The slight shame, as @alex. pointed out, is that Jezza is not the left wing candidate to succeed at anything. They needed a grown-up left winger and sadly haven't got one.
If different from Jezza's, I would be interested to hear @JWisemann's view of what Lab should think or look like.
Pre-tax losses for the first six months of the year were £204.2m, compared with losses of £77m a year earlier. The figure was slightly better than expected.
It included losses of £38.2m on sales of assets needed to reduce the bank's overall levels of debt.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-33999141
So probably little extra money for Labour there.
Why would anyone want to vote for "moderate social democracy"? It's boring and it ignores the basic rule that politics are about the sources of political cleavage, i.e. race, class and religion.
We are moving from class-based politics to identity politics (except in the Six Counties, which have never had anything else). This move means that Labour is an idea whose time has gone. For all that right-wingers moan about "the politics of envy" they'll miss it when it's gone. Boy, will they ever.
Should tories offer the hand of friendship to all those right wing labourites that have been vilified? Would it make the tories too inclusive? Too broad a church??
I imagine the tories would not want the gullible useful idiots who would just shrug their shoulders at Corbyn, but genuine um... thinkers? And of course there are the labour voters on the right of the party - why should the tories just watch them scurry to the lib dems?
His achilles heel are the unions and the dangers he poses to party unity. I'm sure Burnham and Kendall are dead in the water and the only thing standing between Corbyn and the leadership is Cooper.
Little wonder a) leftish Lab like Jezza; and b) non-leftish Lab are in despair.
They want Jezza and they don't care.
However today's story in the Independent makes me wonder if they are actually intelligent enough to run such an inquiry. Can someone send them some tinfoil hats?
Oh sorry, brackets implying negative?
Brent Crude goes below $47.
40-50% of votes have probably already been cast.
The issue is 'how' different that would be from the tory party under Cameron.
"Nick Palmer and the Useful Idiots"
They sound like a 70's pop group.
As we can see from the graph above though, the current Labour Party and organisation don't appear to agree with her.
Corbynites are not listening, - any criticism, from whichever quarter, is merely ignored as either establishment smears or as a reasonable position because (fill in blank space here).
[edit] @JackW "They want Jezza and they don't care."
Indeed so, there is nothing 'rational' about this group worship.
How could she win? In theory, if she polled better than Burnham, got his transfers, then went ahead of Cooper on those reallocations and Corbyn did wildly underperform, it's not totally impossible for it to be much close under AV.
I've backed far worse 200/1 shots.
@rupertmurdoch: Corbyn increasingly likely Labor winner. Seems only candidate who believes anything, right or wrong.
So the Great Satan to the lefties, Rupert Murdoch, has just endorsed Corbyn, after a fashion.
I would vote for a moderate social democratic party: one that believes people at the top should pay a little more tax, that understands who delivers public services is far less important than the quality of the service delivered, one that embraces capitalism but sees its flaws and does not automatically assume the private sector has a monopoly on wisdom, one that is committed to the maintenance of the UK, one that focuses relentlessly on equality of opportunity, one whose first instincts are to ensure change does not have a negative impact on the most vulnerable and one that understands soft power, rather than military force, is what can and should set the UK apart. I agree that identity politics is all too prevalent these days, but I don't believe that it has to be.
Well it was 1979!
It's difficult for most on the centre left to see how a Cooper/Corbyn/Kendall victory would be different from a Cameron/Osborne one. They've had three months to sell themselves and few of us are any the wiser.
Before them Ed had five years and the sum of our understanding of his brand of left wing politics was a giant stone with six meaningless platitudes.
Are you surprised that Labour activists are now in the mood to throw their balls in the air in the hope that they land in a more interesting place?
If someone told me that the Tories were about to elect a supporter of a Holocaust denier, hugged terrorists as a hobby, was still a member of the Monday Club, divorced their wife for not sending their kid to public school and called similar far-rightists *friends* = I'd be APPALLED.
It's only by putting it in those terms that I can even begin to understand what Labour are doing. And I still can't believe it's happening.
"Interesting" doesn't quite cover it.
'Schools are using community languages such as Urdu and Polish to give themselves “an easy hit” to gain top grade GCSE passes and boost their rankings in league tables, a leading academic has said.
Figures show that more than one in three (36 per cent) of candidates who sit GCSEs in community languages obtain an A* grade - the highest figure for any subject and seven time as many as those who get the top grade for maths.'
...and
'The report also shows that pupils in Northern Ireland are “well in front” when it comes to exam passes with 78 per cent obtaining five A* to C grade passes compared with 68.6 per cent for England and 66.6 per cent for Wales.
“It is not a popular thing to say but an obvious candidate to account for NI’s success ... is its grammar school system,” says the report. '
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/schools-using-community-languages-such-as-urdu-and-polish-to-boost-their-rankings-in-league-tables-says-leading-academic-10462840.html
It wasn't. It was set up to deal with the demands for an inquiry by kicking them into the long grass. Remember who set it up - the man who was a key member of the government involved in the decision to go to war.
That's why it got a Chairman who is a third rate civil servant, has a panel consisting of nonentities who couldn't take the skin off a rice pudding, and why it was given no deadline. It has achieved its purpose - to stop anything embarrassing being said about senior Labour politicians while they were still in power or even in Parliament - beautifully.
If we want to find out about the decision to go to war in Iraq in 2003, we would need a proper inquiry, with all relevant documents published, a proper, sharp timetable, forensic questioners etc. We won't get one.
This isn't a personality cult, it is a chance to break from the imposed consensus. We have seen it happen in Greece, it may be happening in Spain, so let's bring it to Britain. If it fails, the Tories will be in government, but that was going to happen anyway.
"At the end of last year, the bank failed a Bank of England stress test, designed to test banks' ability to withstand another financial crisis."
"And last week, a regulatory report criticised the bank for misleading investors. The bank escaped a fine, however, because the regulator said it needed all the money it has to strengthen its balance sheet."
The only slight hope is for something completely embarrassing to come out about Corbyn that will force him to quit the race or resign before he takes his position as leader
The LP deserve Corbyn ; they are totally anachronistic and outdated ; it's only poetic justice that a quasi Marxist fool from the 1970s leads them in their suicide jump off the cliff edge
Your pension has never been safer.
Oh wait....
Corbyn was right about the second gulf war and its consequences that we see on Kos and in Calais. What we are seeing with Corbyn is the chickens coming home to roost from that unpopular war.
I also think that the grammar school system is an excellent one, on the proviso that secondary moderns receive the same funding as grammars !
The Corbyn supporters I met outside of a rally in Middlesbrough were mostly the types who didn't grasp even the basics of the political spectrum IE ...Right and Left ...their support for Corbyn was of a revivalist nature ,just pure emotion,,,Corbyn had ''reached ''them with idealistic , but unrealistic phrases that had ''chimed '' and now they were hooked on 'hope and change ''
These are the folks who are going to follow Corbyn in his death march over the cliff edge ...I do not realistically expect the LP to recover from this debacle
One thing I do wonder is how will Corbyn be received by the PLP in the H/C at QT for example? With barely 40 sympathetic MPs and many more hostile things could look pretty ugly very quickly.
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Well argued.
"I would vote for a moderate social democratic party:"
I would and have done many times. The tacit agreement has been breached, though. The one that says the hard left in their many manifestations should talk loudly but have no say in policy - full of sound and fury and signifying nothing. They should continue to be that embarrassing uncle at the wedding who occasionally drinks a lot and makes a fool of himself - but he is family.
Tony was a bit too glib though so I went to the LDs until the last election. Ed ...????
Tories were always the opposition not the enemies.
I still believe Labour will come to their senses. They let Mrs Rochester take over for a while and then the unions decided on gormless Ed.
Now they're peeking into Pandora's box. Leave that lid alone!
Classic second child.
It would be like the Tories electing Oliver Letwin- someone whose philosophy is deeply rooted in the centre ground, but he couldn't carry it off as leader.
Some gruesome atrocity against Yazidis or Christians or others by IS and Labour MPs with their face in their hands in Parliament as Corbyn is asked whether he still agrees with the statement by Stop the War that action should not be taken against IS because the US is involved.
As Adams might put it, the questions "haven't gone away".
However, I am a sopping wet conservative - as socially liberal as you like, but the government has to run its finances well.
My only differences from Southam is (possibly) that 'people at the top' should include wealthy pensioners and I don't particularly care about the union (as I've said before, I'm a BOO, so how can I not support Scottish independence?).
I could certainly be persuaded to vote for a party that espoused Southam's expressed values.
"Are you surprised that Labour activists are now in the mood to throw their balls in the air in the hope that they land in a more interesting place? "
But they're not throwing their balls in the air, they're throwing them away. They are castrating the Labour Party, excluding it from any chance of power for at least a decade, possibly a generation and conceivably ever again.
Gordon Brown may turn out to be last Labour PM of the UK. How apt.
China's burning the wrong kind of coal
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-33972247
And I thought someone posted on here a few days ago polls showing that even at the height of the opposition, the was was supported by a majority. I may be wrong on this.
Certainly Labour are now paying the price for the emptiness and dishonesty and moral vacuousness at the heart of Blair and Brown's Labour. But they are replacing it with the Left's own emptiness and dishonesty and moral vacuousness.
Who will he back North or South Korea ?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3204452/North-Korea-shells-South-Korean-military-unit-stationed-countries-shared-border.html
Always picks the right side Libya Syria etc
A party needs to rejuvenate to get that hunger back- this takes time, and mistakes. Without the mistakes you lose the discipline, ideas and thirst to get back into power. Apart from the polls, did anyone actually believe that the Labour party led by Ed Miliband deserved to get back in? It would have been a travesty if Ed had won; a lazy Labour party that was just basically gambling on a 35% strategy. What would it have said about UK politics is Ed had won. He was deservedly beaten and the Tories deserved their majority.
I'm pretty OK about Corbyn becoming leader, and folk like SouthernObserver should just chill and wait and stay loyal to the cause. Corbyn will crash and burn for sure- but at the other end lies a Labour party that'll be fit for purpose. 2020 might still be too soon.
Many thought Miliband could get in, perhaps propped up by the SNP.
There was a time that voting for Jeremy Corbyn was funny; it doesn't seem so funny anymore. I'm seeking PB's advice on a genuine ethical question. Should I:
a) Vote Corbyn - to hell with them
b) Not vote - it's their handcart they can do what they like with it
c) Vote Kendall 1 Cooper 2, because Kendall would do least damage to the country and Cooper is the only grown up in the race?