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  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,517

    ydoethur said:

    CD13 said:


    The lemmings look to be scampering towards the cliff edge but they will pull back at the last moment. Either Yvette Burnham or Andy Cooper (the anodyne duo) will scrape in, leaving Labour to celebrate the diversity of the party.

    Well, I hope you're right. But that does rather require one of the two to give people an actual reason to vote for them, which so far they haven't (that's why they're struggling - Corbyn is at least making an effort to win).

    They have 72 hours left to turn things around before the ballot papers go out. It's not looking good for them.

    They can't beat Corbyn now. It's done and dusted. What happens next will be fascinating in a hide behind the sofa, watch between the fingers kind of way.

    The LDs need to sort themselves out sharpish. They have a big shot at redemption.

    In England
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    This was from the Telegraph a few weeks ago

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11756688/Half-of-the-Labour-MPs-who-backed-Jeremy-Corbyn-desert-him.html

    Going through the Twitter accounts of MPs who nominated him, I can only find a handful vocally supporting him.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,713
    Sean_F said:

    Plato said:

    That's a good piece. The sneering of the first group at the last being symptomatic in the failure here.

    Financier said:
    I think that any national political party is going to find it increasingly difficult to reconcile the views and values of supporters in (i) rural areas (ii) towns and small cities (iii) London and Core Cities (iv) Scotland. For Labour, this is particularly acute, as it seems almost to have written off (i) and (ii), has imploded in (iv), and is overwhelmingly dependent on (iii) whose population is not big enough to win an election on its own, and whose values are alien to (i) (ii) and (iv).
    What do you think Labour and the Tories polled, respectively, in England discounting London and the core cities?

    I haven't crunched the numbers but I know it was 41% for the Tories in England overall and it wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't far off 50% without the cities.
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    On topic:
    This is nuts. Likeably nuts, but nuts all the same.
    What a breath of fresh air to have somebody who seems straight and honest, however.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417
    Indigo said:

    One things for sure - if Corbyn does lose, the Left will cite this poll as evidence they lost due to Zimbabwean-scale ballot stuffing....and not accept the leader's validity.

    But Corbyn is not going to lose. Agent Miliband, report to Checkpoint Charlie - your work is complete and we are bringing you in.

    The true agent of disaster for Labour was Gordon Brown and his work started the moment he entered Edinburgh University.
    Or rather his state of delusion became apparent then and the work he did as a result was allowed to continue. He is the biggest disaster to afflict the UK in its post war history. His path of destruction through the Labour Party is clearly apparent now.
    Not sure I follow this one. What has 1000s of young idealists and Green supporters suddenly joining the party for a £3 vote got to do with him?
    He politically assassinated a whole range of credible and respectable future leadership candidates which might have stood and not left people casting around for an alternative to the three stooges and landing on Corbyn.

    Consider the sort of big names who I do not agree with politically, but had character and "bottom" gone, Straw, Blunkett, Darling, Beckett, Reid all tower over the pygmies on offer at the moment.
    Ma Beckett was one of the 35 !!!
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited August 2015
    I went to Jamaica especially to see the croc farm - and it was shut!!

    If you haven't seen it - this remains a fantastic stunt. All the failed attempts...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDeUzB12ln8
    Financier said:

    I like Live and Let Die, but that's probably because I know the Caribbean islands so well and had great but very interesting times there.

    Plato said:

    Which is your favourite? I'm torn between Moonraker, Live and Let Die and Goldfinger.

    MattW said:

    Plato said:

    I've watched the older movies dozens of times...

    MattW said:

    Financier said:

    Plato- your memory must be far better then mine - but you are right. However, I do have fond memories of the Peninsula Hotel in HK.

    Plato said:

    Is that the scene with Miss Goodnight? Man With The Golden Gun?

    Financier said:

    This continuing Labour farce is all down to the cowardice of EdM who shirked his responsibility and ran away as soon as he could, instead of following Howard's splendid example. Will EdM attend the Labour party conference?

    The reaction to the prospective Labour candidates reminds me of the scene in a James Bond film, when in Asia he is offered a bottle of champagne which is labelled Fu-Yuk.

    Not casting aspersions on the Hon. Lady's memory, but is that the Man With the Golden Gun that was on ITV4 last night?

    :-o
    Snap.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    watford30 said:

    'On Her Majesty's Secret Service' has always been underrated, but remains one of the best.

    On Her Majesty's Secret Service' has always been underrated, but remains one of the best.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    CD13 said:


    The lemmings look to be scampering towards the cliff edge but they will pull back at the last moment. Either Yvette Burnham or Andy Cooper (the anodyne duo) will scrape in, leaving Labour to celebrate the diversity of the party.

    Well, I hope you're right. But that does rather require one of the two to give people an actual reason to vote for them, which so far they haven't (that's why they're struggling - Corbyn is at least making an effort to win).

    They have 72 hours left to turn things around before the ballot papers go out. It's not looking good for them.

    They can't beat Corbyn now. It's done and dusted. What happens next will be fascinating in a hide behind the sofa, watch between the fingers kind of way.

    The LDs need to sort themselves out sharpish. They have a big shot at redemption.

    In England
    I can't see the Lib Dems benefiting much anywhere in the near future. They're in the post-deluge pre-sunshine stage of the incy wincy spider cycle.
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    All of the Daniel Craig Bond films have been fantastic. I also liked Goldeneye, although later Brosnan ones got silly. I've never understood the appeal of the cheesy Connery and Moore ones. Names like Pussy Galore, absurd villains like Oddjob and DIY helicopters just broke the suspension of disbelief.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,976
    Mr. G, what would you make of Corbyn-led Labour?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,669
    JEO said:

    All of the Daniel Craig Bond films have been fantastic. I also liked Goldeneye, although later Brosnan ones got silly. I've never understood the appeal of the cheesy Connery and Moore ones. Names like Pussy Galore, absurd villains like Oddjob and DIY helicopters just broke the suspension of disbelief.

    I loved Casino Royale and Skyfall, but found the plot of Quantum of Solace almost incomprehensible. Agree re Goldeneye also.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,976
    Mr. JEO, Goldeneye was not only a good film (and a great theme song too) but one of the definitive game sof that generation (N64). Entirely agree with you on later Brosnan Bonds (Die Another Day had a good basic idea and cast, but the double entendres were clunky as hell).

    That said, you are committing blasphemy against Goldfinger.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,813

    Sean_F said:

    Plato said:

    That's a good piece. The sneering of the first group at the last being symptomatic in the failure here.

    Financier said:
    I think that any national political party is going to find it increasingly difficult to reconcile the views and values of supporters in (i) rural areas (ii) towns and small cities (iii) London and Core Cities (iv) Scotland. For Labour, this is particularly acute, as it seems almost to have written off (i) and (ii), has imploded in (iv), and is overwhelmingly dependent on (iii) whose population is not big enough to win an election on its own, and whose values are alien to (i) (ii) and (iv).
    What do you think Labour and the Tories polled, respectively, in England discounting London and the core cities?

    I haven't crunched the numbers but I know it was 41% for the Tories in England overall and it wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't far off 50% without the cities.
    Nor would it me. But they do account for one-third of the population on a rough estimate.

    An interesting question though would be how Labour polled among that one-third. I seem to remember a thread that pointed out Labour had collapsed outside this group, but the Conservatives had imploded even more spectacularly within it.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited August 2015
    Jeremy Corbyn Glasgow rally moved to bigger venue.

    A rally in Glasgow by the veteran left-winger who is standing for Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, has moved to a bigger venue after the original event sold out.

    https://www.holyrood.com/articles/news/jeremy-corbyn-glasgow-rally-moved-bigger-venue

    He's in Cardiff today, before setting off for a 4 city tour in Scotland while the other candidates e-mail their thoughts to which ever rag will print it. The differance in campaigning is startling.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    rcs1000 said:

    JEO said:

    All of the Daniel Craig Bond films have been fantastic. I also liked Goldeneye, although later Brosnan ones got silly. I've never understood the appeal of the cheesy Connery and Moore ones. Names like Pussy Galore, absurd villains like Oddjob and DIY helicopters just broke the suspension of disbelief.

    I loved Casino Royale and Skyfall, but found the plot of Quantum of Solace almost incomprehensible. Agree re Goldeneye also.

    Quantum of Solace had a writers' strike and they made up the rest between themselves.

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,669
    antifrank said:

    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    CD13 said:


    The lemmings look to be scampering towards the cliff edge but they will pull back at the last moment. Either Yvette Burnham or Andy Cooper (the anodyne duo) will scrape in, leaving Labour to celebrate the diversity of the party.

    Well, I hope you're right. But that does rather require one of the two to give people an actual reason to vote for them, which so far they haven't (that's why they're struggling - Corbyn is at least making an effort to win).

    They have 72 hours left to turn things around before the ballot papers go out. It's not looking good for them.

    They can't beat Corbyn now. It's done and dusted. What happens next will be fascinating in a hide behind the sofa, watch between the fingers kind of way.

    The LDs need to sort themselves out sharpish. They have a big shot at redemption.

    In England
    I can't see the Lib Dems benefiting much anywhere in the near future. They're in the post-deluge pre-sunshine stage of the incy wincy spider cycle.
    As LibDem neighsayer in chief before the last election, I would guess that both UKIP and the LibDems would benefit from a Corbyn Labour Party. (The Greens would lose out as there are now two parties competing for the Batshit Crazy Vote.)

    Why do I say that?

    Because many of the Red Liberals in places like Twickenham, Kingston, and the like are Kendall and (pre-war) Blair supporters. I think a number of them will - reluctantly - decide to go Yellow. (Some will, of course, go Green, and many will stay at home.)

    More interesting - to me - is not whether the LibDems drag themselves up from 8% to 14%, but whether Corbyn opens up an opportunity for UKIP in the North of England.
  • Indigo said:

    JohnLoony said:

    JohnLoony said:

    (FPT)

    JPJ2 said:

    "sleepwalking into a one-party state"

    More destruction of the English language.

    A one party state is what China has-it means no other parties are allowed. Is that Britain? No it is not.

    For the benefit of the people who have not been paying attention, the People's Republic of China has nine political parties.
    Which are...?
    Communist Party of China
    Revolutionary Committee of the Kuomintang.......

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_the_People's_Republic_of_China
    The first has 89 million members, and other second just over 53,000 !
    Wow! Did the Revolutionary Committee of the Kuomintang renege on student tuition fees?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,669

    Sean_F said:

    Financier said:

    I like Live and Let Die, but that's probably because I know the Caribbean islands so well and had great but very interesting times there.

    Plato said:

    Which is your favourite? I'm torn between Moonraker, Live and Let Die and Goldfinger.

    MattW said:

    Plato said:

    I've watched the older movies dozens of times...

    MattW said:

    Financier said:

    Plato- your memory must be far better then mine - but you are right. However, I do have fond memories of the Peninsula Hotel in HK.

    Plato said:

    Is that the scene with Miss Goodnight? Man With The Golden Gun?

    Financier said:

    This continuing Labour farce is all down to the cowardice of EdM who shirked his responsibility and ran away as soon as he could, instead of following Howard's splendid example. Will EdM attend the Labour party conference?

    The reaction to the prospective Labour candidates reminds me of the scene in a James Bond film, when in Asia he is offered a bottle of champagne which is labelled Fu-Yuk.

    Not casting aspersions on the Hon. Lady's memory, but is that the Man With the Golden Gun that was on ITV4 last night?

    :-o
    Snap.
    My favourite has always been From Russia with Love.
    Mine is The Living Daylights. Timothy Dalton is also my favourite Bond.
    Both the Dalton movies are surprisingly good.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417

    Jeremy Corbyn Glasgow rally moved to bigger venue.

    A rally in Glasgow by the veteran left-winger who is standing for Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, has moved to a bigger venue after the original event sold out.

    https://www.holyrood.com/articles/news/jeremy-corbyn-glasgow-rally-moved-bigger-venue

    What is his view on Scottish independence btw ?
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Oh I really don't like George Lazenby. Nor Timothy Dalton - zip sense of humour. He reminds me of Henry Cavell as Superman - looks the part, but fails to be the character.
    Scott_P said:

    watford30 said:

    'On Her Majesty's Secret Service' has always been underrated, but remains one of the best.

    On Her Majesty's Secret Service' has always been underrated, but remains one of the best.
  • FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    JEO said:

    All of the Daniel Craig Bond films have been fantastic. I also liked Goldeneye, although later Brosnan ones got silly. I've never understood the appeal of the cheesy Connery and Moore ones. Names like Pussy Galore, absurd villains like Oddjob and DIY helicopters just broke the suspension of disbelief.

    Agree about a lot of the cheesiness. Of course the style of the secret services have changed from the days when Ian Fleming knew them, but personally I find Daniel Craig's films too hard and over-violent, without that certain air of sophistication and finesse that is still present. It will be hard to beat Judie Dench as M - she has that inner steel so required of a Chief.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,038
    Sean_F said:

    Plato said:

    That's a good piece. The sneering of the first group at the last being symptomatic in the failure here.

    Financier said:
    I think that any national political party is going to find it increasingly difficult to reconcile the views and values of supporters in (i) rural areas (ii) towns and small cities (iii) London and Core Cities (iv) Scotland. For Labour, this is particularly acute, as it seems almost to have written off (i) and (ii), has imploded in (iv), and is overwhelmingly dependent on (iii) whose population is not big enough to win an election on its own, and whose values are alien to (i) (ii) and (iv).
    I think this is spot on. The problem a Corbyn led Labour party will have, apart from internal civil war, is that they will appeal at best to 25-30% of the population. Bad enough but when you recognise that pretty much all of that support is concentrated in large conurbations you have a party with a sufficiently large number of safe seats to survive but no chance of power.

    The scale of the task Labour face in 2020 was well set out in this article: http://labourlist.org/2015/06/the-battlefield-in-2020/
    This is their analysis of where those target seats are:

    Midlands towns (each small enough to cover a maximum of two seats; NB manufacturing is still economically important in many of these): 22

    Coastal towns (of which five are in Wales and three are economically dependent on the Navy, many of them have serious structural economic problems): 20

    Pennine towns (each small enough to cover a maximum of two seats; NB there are particularly high levels of owner-occupation in these seats for historic reasons): 13

    Southern towns (each small enough to cover a maximum of two seats; NB several of these have high levels of manufacturing and hi-tech industry): 10

    Previously safe-Labour Scottish Central Belt seats: 8

    London outer suburbs (of which 4 have very large Jewish communities): 7

    New Towns: 6

    Scottish seats with a traditional high vote for other unionist parties: 6

    Three-way Kent & Essex fights with UKIP: 3

    Traditional Lab vs SNP marginals: 2

    On the whole seats where a Corbyn led Labour party is only going to go backwards. If I was a Labour MP in seats like these I would be seriously concerned.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,515
    JEO said:

    All of the Daniel Craig Bond films have been fantastic. I also liked Goldeneye, although later Brosnan ones got silly. I've never understood the appeal of the cheesy Connery and Moore ones. Names like Pussy Galore, absurd villains like Oddjob and DIY helicopters just broke the suspension of disbelief.

    Wasn't the point of the DIY 'helicopter' such as Little Nellie that a): they existed; b) they were easily portable, and c) they had interesting military applications?

    One of the weirdest X-Planes (and that is a group of generally odd machines) was the X-25, which was a gyrocopter that was going to be fitted on top of ejection seats:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bensen_B-8

    THe X-28 also deserves an honourable mention. You are a guy who designs and builds a homebuilt aircraft, and then the US Navy comes along and wants to buy it. They give it an X-Plane number, meaning your homebuilt plane is in such illustrious company as supersonic and hypersonic aircraft, and the Ryan Vertijet. ;)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osprey_Osprey_I
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    rcs1000 said:

    Both the Dalton movies are surprisingly good.

    No

    Timothy Dalton is perhaps the most accomplished actor to play the role, and it has been said he came closest to the character in the books, but while Living daylights is indeed a very good an enjoyable film, License To Kill is truly terrible (and cursed). No surprise the franchise stalled after that
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,669
    Mr @JEO: that wasn't a portable helicopter (in You Only Live Twice): it was a gyrocopter.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,976
    Mr. 1000, Licence To Kill's rather good. I've only ever seen The Living Daylights once (presumably because the plot means it's rarely shown on TV).
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    IIRC the writers were also on strike during the Dallas season Pam got with Mark Grayson - it was great.

    And then they returned and Bobby came out of the shower. Talk about Not Invented Here.

    rcs1000 said:

    JEO said:

    All of the Daniel Craig Bond films have been fantastic. I also liked Goldeneye, although later Brosnan ones got silly. I've never understood the appeal of the cheesy Connery and Moore ones. Names like Pussy Galore, absurd villains like Oddjob and DIY helicopters just broke the suspension of disbelief.

    I loved Casino Royale and Skyfall, but found the plot of Quantum of Solace almost incomprehensible. Agree re Goldeneye also.

    Quantum of Solace had a writers' strike and they made up the rest between themselves.

  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited August 2015

    rcs1000 said:

    JEO said:

    All of the Daniel Craig Bond films have been fantastic. I also liked Goldeneye, although later Brosnan ones got silly. I've never understood the appeal of the cheesy Connery and Moore ones. Names like Pussy Galore, absurd villains like Oddjob and DIY helicopters just broke the suspension of disbelief.

    I loved Casino Royale and Skyfall, but found the plot of Quantum of Solace almost incomprehensible. Agree re Goldeneye also.

    Quantum of Solace had a writers' strike and they made up the rest between themselves.

    The confusing editing doesn't help it either. The Siena sequence is nigh on unwatchable.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,389
    rcs1000 said:

    antifrank said:

    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    CD13 said:


    The lemmings look to be scampering towards the cliff edge but they will pull back at the last moment. Either Yvette Burnham or Andy Cooper (the anodyne duo) will scrape in, leaving Labour to celebrate the diversity of the party.

    Well, I hope you're right. But that does rather require one of the two to give people an actual reason to vote for them, which so far they haven't (that's why they're struggling - Corbyn is at least making an effort to win).

    They have 72 hours left to turn things around before the ballot papers go out. It's not looking good for them.

    They can't beat Corbyn now. It's done and dusted. What happens next will be fascinating in a hide behind the sofa, watch between the fingers kind of way.

    The LDs need to sort themselves out sharpish. They have a big shot at redemption.

    In England
    I can't see the Lib Dems benefiting much anywhere in the near future. They're in the post-deluge pre-sunshine stage of the incy wincy spider cycle.
    As LibDem neighsayer in chief before the last election, I would guess that both UKIP and the LibDems would benefit from a Corbyn Labour Party. (The Greens would lose out as there are now two parties competing for the Batshit Crazy Vote.)

    Why do I say that?

    Because many of the Red Liberals in places like Twickenham, Kingston, and the like are Kendall and (pre-war) Blair supporters. I think a number of them will - reluctantly - decide to go Yellow. (Some will, of course, go Green, and many will stay at home.)

    More interesting - to me - is not whether the LibDems drag themselves up from 8% to 14%, but whether Corbyn opens up an opportunity for UKIP in the North of England.
    Could Labour go into "meltdown" in England in 2020 like they did in Scotland in 2015?

    No party has a right to "exist". Labour have gone mad!

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Plato said:

    Oh I really don't like George Lazenby. Nor Timothy Dalton

    This is where you have to separate the question of the actor playing Bond (not the best) from the film he happens to be in (the best so far)
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I remain amazed that anyone is still maintaining Jezza will stand aside or doesn't want the top job.

    It's been plain as a pikestaff for at least two weeks that he's going for it big time.

    Jeremy Corbyn Glasgow rally moved to bigger venue.

    A rally in Glasgow by the veteran left-winger who is standing for Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, has moved to a bigger venue after the original event sold out.

    https://www.holyrood.com/articles/news/jeremy-corbyn-glasgow-rally-moved-bigger-venue

    He's in Cardiff today, before setting off for a 4 city tour in Scotland while the other candidates e-mail their thoughts to which ever rag will print it. The differance in campaigning is startling.

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    watford30 said:

    The confusing editing doesn't help it either. The Siena sequence is nigh on unwatchable.

    The film is terrible, but the opera scene is one of my favourites. The editing is sublime
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,669

    Mr. 1000, Licence To Kill's rather good. I've only ever seen The Living Daylights once (presumably because the plot means it's rarely shown on TV).

    A few years ago, my wife and I watched the entire Bond collection in order. And License to Kill was a Bond I'd thought dull when I'd watched it aged 16. But on rewatching, it was pretty good. (As was the Living Daylights - although that is mostly because of the pretty girl...)
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Agree re Dench and Craig. I really didn't like License To Kill. That ended up with a 15 cert IIRC. Too much blood and guts for Bond franchise.
    Financier said:

    JEO said:

    All of the Daniel Craig Bond films have been fantastic. I also liked Goldeneye, although later Brosnan ones got silly. I've never understood the appeal of the cheesy Connery and Moore ones. Names like Pussy Galore, absurd villains like Oddjob and DIY helicopters just broke the suspension of disbelief.

    Agree about a lot of the cheesiness. Of course the style of the secret services have changed from the days when Ian Fleming knew them, but personally I find Daniel Craig's films too hard and over-violent, without that certain air of sophistication and finesse that is still present. It will be hard to beat Judie Dench as M - she has that inner steel so required of a Chief.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited August 2015
    Pulpstar said:

    Will HS2 get through the house if Corbyn is in charge. Previous calculations have relied on Labour front bench in favour iirc...

    If Corbyn becomes leader, it's likely that there will be plenty of Labour rebels prepared to vote with the government on various issues. After all, Corbyn is hardly in a position to complain at rebellions, and the remaining rump of sane Labour MPs will want to distance themselves from the Corbyn carnage.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,979
    Financier said:

    JEO said:

    All of the Daniel Craig Bond films have been fantastic. I also liked Goldeneye, although later Brosnan ones got silly. I've never understood the appeal of the cheesy Connery and Moore ones. Names like Pussy Galore, absurd villains like Oddjob and DIY helicopters just broke the suspension of disbelief.

    Agree about a lot of the cheesiness. Of course the style of the secret services have changed from the days when Ian Fleming knew them, but personally I find Daniel Craig's films too hard and over-violent, without that certain air of sophistication and finesse that is still present. It will be hard to beat Judie Dench as M - she has that inner steel so required of a Chief.
    Much of the appeal of the early Bond films was their glossy international destinations, usually four or five per film, in an age before holidays had broken out of the Blackpool and Benidorm norm.

    That, and the casual sex.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    IIRC it was originally called License Revoked, but the producers decided not enough people would know what 'revoked' meant.
    Scott_P said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Both the Dalton movies are surprisingly good.

    No

    Timothy Dalton is perhaps the most accomplished actor to play the role, and it has been said he came closest to the character in the books, but while Living daylights is indeed a very good an enjoyable film, License To Kill is truly terrible (and cursed). No surprise the franchise stalled after that
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,547
    edited August 2015

    Sean_F said:

    Plato said:



    Cruddas on how Labour failed to combat UKIP

    blockquote>

    What do you think Labour and the Tories polled, respectively, in England discounting London and the core cities?

    I haven't crunched the numbers but I know it was 41% for the Tories in England overall and it wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't far off 50% without the cities.
    ydoethur said:

    Sean_F said:

    Plato said:

    That's a good piece. The sneering of the first group at the last being symptomatic in the failure here.

    Financier said:
    I think that any national political party is going to find it increasingly difficult to reconcile the views and values of supporters in (i) rural areas (ii) towns and small cities (iii) London and Core Cities (iv) Scotland. For Labour, this is particularly acute, as it seems almost to have written off (i) and (ii), has imploded in (iv), and is overwhelmingly dependent on (iii) whose population is not big enough to win an election on its own, and whose values are alien to (i) (ii) and (iv).
    What do you think Labour and the Tories polled, respectively, in England discounting London and the core cities?

    I haven't crunched the numbers but I know it was 41% for the Tories in England overall and it wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't far off 50% without the cities.
    Nor would it me. But they do account for one-third of the population on a rough estimate.

    An interesting question though would be how Labour polled among that one-third. I seem to remember a thread that pointed out Labour had collapsed outside this group, but the Conservatives had imploded even more spectacularly within it.
    I haven't crunched the numbers either. Greater London, plus all the Metropolitan Boroughs, plus Cardiff, Bristol, Nottingham, and Brighton & Hove, probably comes to about one third of English and Welsh constituencies. But, the political culture of places like Walsall, Solihull, or Dudley, is clearly very different from that of Birmingham. The political culture of the towns that surround Bradford & Leeds is very different from those cities. Only in Merseyside and Tyneside is the political culture of the hinterland pretty much identical to that of Liverpool and Newcastle. So, the Metropolitan Boroughs also contain big urban areas that have more in common politically with towns outside them, rather than the big city they're linked to.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    Jeremy Corbyn Glasgow rally moved to bigger venue.

    A rally in Glasgow by the veteran left-winger who is standing for Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, has moved to a bigger venue after the original event sold out.

    https://www.holyrood.com/articles/news/jeremy-corbyn-glasgow-rally-moved-bigger-venue

    He's in Cardiff today, before setting off for a 4 city tour in Scotland while the other candidates e-mail their thoughts to which ever rag will print it. The differance in campaigning is startling.

    meanwhile Kendall cant sell out a toilet
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Plato said:

    IIRC it was originally called License Revoked, but the producers decided not enough people would know what 'revoked' meant.

    For the American market, yes.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,976
    Licence*. It's not a verb, and we're not Americans. (Like practice/practise, it does take an S when used as a verb. Or when an American noun).
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,669

    Licence*. It's not a verb, and we're not Americans. (Like practice/practise, it does take an S when used as a verb. Or when an American noun).

    That's my second favourite bit of pedantry: behind fewer and less.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JohnRentoul: Paddy Power quoting 16/1 "Labour leadership contest to be postponed by two weeks or more" (see legal challenge poss http://t.co/aqcs3EcauT)
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,976
    edited August 2015
    Mr. 1000, hmm. It's a straight typo, rather than grammatical pedantry :p

    Have to watch for stuff like that. Although my own typos are usually homophonic, which means they tend to be enormous and terrible, but also not highlighted by a spell-checker (because they're real words, just ones that make no bloody sense in context).

    Edited extra bit: Mr. P, that might be a Pyrrhic victory for the anti-Corbyn lot. If he wins anyway, it's irrelevant. If he doesn't win, the comrades have a perfect excuse for why not.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,547
    GIN1138 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    antifrank said:

    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    CD13 said:


    The lemmings look to be scampering towards the cliff edge but they will pull back at the last moment. Either Yvette Burnham or Andy Cooper (the anodyne duo) will scrape in, leaving Labour to celebrate the diversity of the party.

    Well, I hope you're right. But that does rather require one of the two to give people an actual reason to vote for them, which so far they haven't (that's why they're struggling - Corbyn is at least making an effort to win).

    They have 72 hours left to turn things around before the ballot papers go out. It's not looking good for them.

    They can't beat Corbyn now. It's done and dusted. What happens next will be fascinating in a hide behind the sofa, watch between the fingers kind of way.

    The LDs need to sort themselves out sharpish. They have a big shot at redemption.

    In England
    I can't see the Lib Dems benefiting much anywhere in the near future. They're in the post-deluge pre-sunshine stage of the incy wincy spider cycle.
    As LibDem neighsayer in chief before the last election, I would guess that both UKIP and the LibDems would benefit from a Corbyn Labour Party. (The Greens would lose out as there are now two parties competing for the Batshit Crazy Vote.)

    Why do I say that?

    Because many of the Red Liberals in places like Twickenham, Kingston, and the like are Kendall and (pre-war) Blair supporters. I think a number of them will - reluctantly - decide to go Yellow. (Some will, of course, go Green, and many will stay at home.)

    More interesting - to me - is not whether the LibDems drag themselves up from 8% to 14%, but whether Corbyn opens up an opportunity for UKIP in the North of England.
    Could Labour go into "meltdown" in England in 2020 like they did in Scotland in 2015?

    No party has a right to "exist". Labour have gone mad!

    No. There's a big section of the population to whom a Corbyn-led Labour Party would appeal. But, I'd expect Labour to go backwards in the types of seats that David L has mentioned, and to lose most of its 11 gains from the Tories, plus seats like Ynys Mon, Southampton Test, Bridgend, and to lose seats like Heywood & Middleton, Hartlepool, Rother Valley to UKIP.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Trouble in Paradise - Rick Perry has stopped paying his staff in South Carolina.

    However Trump and Roger Ailes appear to have kissed and made up - He's on Fox and Friends this morning and Hannity at 10 this evening. He's also on CNN this morning.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    rcs1000 said:

    More interesting - to me - is not whether the LibDems drag themselves up from 8% to 14%, but whether Corbyn opens up an opportunity for UKIP in the North of England.

    I'm not sure he will. Whilst his loony-left position on social matters won't appeal, his loony-left pre-Thatcher statism will do so to a greater extent in the North than elsewhere. I expect the net effect to be a relatively small collapse in the Labour vote in safe Northern Labour seats, and a big collapse in the Midlands marginals.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,669
    edited August 2015
    The new Spectre trailer is out, and it's rather shocking: Daniel Craig has been replaced by Roger Moore!

    here (video won't embed properly)
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    The story of the jetpack rivals is fascinating - one murdered/kidnapped the other. http://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/jetpack-murder
    Of the three men who worked to make this rocket belt test flight happen, one would end up dead, one went to prison for kidnapping one of the others, and the third man, well…he's the only one who knows where the Rocket Belt is.

    JEO said:

    All of the Daniel Craig Bond films have been fantastic. I also liked Goldeneye, although later Brosnan ones got silly. I've never understood the appeal of the cheesy Connery and Moore ones. Names like Pussy Galore, absurd villains like Oddjob and DIY helicopters just broke the suspension of disbelief.

    Wasn't the point of the DIY 'helicopter' such as Little Nellie that a): they existed; b) they were easily portable, and c) they had interesting military applications?

    One of the weirdest X-Planes (and that is a group of generally odd machines) was the X-25, which was a gyrocopter that was going to be fitted on top of ejection seats:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bensen_B-8

    THe X-28 also deserves an honourable mention. You are a guy who designs and builds a homebuilt aircraft, and then the US Navy comes along and wants to buy it. They give it an X-Plane number, meaning your homebuilt plane is in such illustrious company as supersonic and hypersonic aircraft, and the Ryan Vertijet. ;)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osprey_Osprey_I
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,976
    Mr. Nabavi, he's soft on immigration, though, which presents a vulnerable flank to UKIP.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,932
    rcs1000 said:

    antifrank said:

    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    CD13 said:


    The lemmings look to be scampering towards the cliff edge but they will pull back at the last moment. Either Yvette Burnham or Andy Cooper (the anodyne duo) will scrape in, leaving Labour to celebrate the diversity of the party.

    Well, I hope you're right. But that does rather require one of the two to give people an actual reason to vote for them, which so far they haven't (that's why they're struggling - Corbyn is at least making an effort to win).

    They have 72 hours left to turn things around before the ballot papers go out. It's not looking good for them.

    They can't beat Corbyn now. It's done and dusted. What happens next will be fascinating in a hide behind the sofa, watch between the fingers kind of way.

    The LDs need to sort themselves out sharpish. They have a big shot at redemption.

    In England
    I can't see the Lib Dems benefiting much anywhere in the near future. They're in the post-deluge pre-sunshine stage of the incy wincy spider cycle.
    As LibDem neighsayer in chief before the last election, I would guess that both UKIP and the LibDems would benefit from a Corbyn Labour Party. (The Greens would lose out as there are now two parties competing for the Batshit Crazy Vote.)

    Why do I say that?

    Because many of the Red Liberals in places like Twickenham, Kingston, and the like are Kendall and (pre-war) Blair supporters. I think a number of them will - reluctantly - decide to go Yellow. (Some will, of course, go Green, and many will stay at home.)

    More interesting - to me - is not whether the LibDems drag themselves up from 8% to 14%, but whether Corbyn opens up an opportunity for UKIP in the North of England.
    'neighsayer'? - stop horsing around.
    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=neighsayer

    Corbyn could end up splitting Labour, the Euro referendum could end up splitting the Tories.
    Whether the LibDems or UKIP benefit remains to be seen.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    Plato said:

    From the Labourlist piece via @Financier - very sensible stuff http://labourlist.org/2015/08/how-did-we-get-in-this-mess/

    The comments arriving below this post are hysterical in their delusional nature, yet more people thinking they will score a famous victory by motivating the DNV from last time to vote for their man in 2020. The level of venom is quite extraordinary.
    The party members who pay you are saying that you have turned your back on them for long enough! They want Corbyn because he is speaking to the people who need Labour not to your backhanding business chums and middle class tory waverers WORKING POOR and working people are what labour is about WAKE UP AND SMELL THE CORBYN!
    Yes. Quite, and what will they say when those people take one look at his open door immigration credentials and go and vote for UKIP in 2020 ?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    edited August 2015
    Plato said:

    I saw a bio of Sean Connery the other day - in an intv he said that he'd only read a couple of Bond's [though he knew/liked Fleming a lot]. He found them too serious/lacked humour.

    I love the books and the films - have the whole lot, and I don't mind if they aren't the same. That's very rare for me - usually I won't watch the film if I've read the book first, as they miss out so much.

    Stopped watching them after Skyfall - what a truly crap film that was. I didn't rate remake of Casino Royale either. My favourite book though, along with Dr No.

    watford30 said:

    watford30 said:

    Plato said:

    Which is your favourite? I'm torn between Moonraker, Live and Let Die and Goldfinger.

    MattW said:

    Plato said:

    I've watched the older movies dozens of times...

    MattW said:

    Financier said:

    Plato- your memory must be far better then mine - but you are right. However, I do have fond memories of the Peninsula Hotel in HK.

    Plato said:

    Is that the scene with Miss Goodnight? Man With The Golden Gun?

    Financier said:

    This continuing Labour farce is all down to the cowardice of EdM who shirked his responsibility and ran away as soon as he could, instead of following Howard's splendid example. Will EdM attend the Labour party conference?

    The reaction to the prospective Labour candidates reminds me of the scene in a James Bond film, when in Asia he is offered a bottle of champagne which is labelled Fu-Yuk.

    Not casting aspersions on the Hon. Lady's memory, but is that the Man With the Golden Gun that was on ITV4 last night?

    :-o
    Snap.
    Moonraker was the best by far of the 'Carry On' Bonds. Lewis Gilbert, legendary director.
    'i think he's attempting re-entry sir'
    With Dr Goodhead.
    For an actually fun spy movie, if very vulgar, I hope they make more Kingsman movies - the most fun I'd had in the cinema for ages. I don't mind more serious fare, but sometimes a bit of goofiness if preferable. The punny names and so on were terrible though - slightly goofy, but without outright silliness, and still a credible sense of threat and menace is my preference.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Grace Jones wearing no knickers is one of the only things I remember about that film. The DuranDuran video was rather good and revived their careers.
    rcs1000 said:

    Mr. 1000, Licence To Kill's rather good. I've only ever seen The Living Daylights once (presumably because the plot means it's rarely shown on TV).

    A few years ago, my wife and I watched the entire Bond collection in order. And License to Kill was a Bond I'd thought dull when I'd watched it aged 16. But on rewatching, it was pretty good. (As was the Living Daylights - although that is mostly because of the pretty girl...)
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976

    meanwhile Kendall cant sell out a toilet
    Kendallfans too tight to spend a penny? – sounds like a medical condition.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Financier said:

    JEO said:

    All of the Daniel Craig Bond films have been fantastic. I also liked Goldeneye, although later Brosnan ones got silly. I've never understood the appeal of the cheesy Connery and Moore ones. Names like Pussy Galore, absurd villains like Oddjob and DIY helicopters just broke the suspension of disbelief.

    Agree about a lot of the cheesiness. Of course the style of the secret services have changed from the days when Ian Fleming knew them, but personally I find Daniel Craig's films too hard and over-violent, without that certain air of sophistication and finesse that is still present. It will be hard to beat Judie Dench as M - she has that inner steel so required of a Chief.
    Much of the appeal of the early Bond films was their glossy international destinations, usually four or five per film, in an age before holidays had broken out of the Blackpool and Benidorm norm.

    That, and the casual sex.
    Let's not forget the pace due to Peter Hunt's sharp editing, Bond was the first to use a pre-credit sequence, John Barry's fabulous music, great theme songs, and Connery's one liners.

    Roger Moore was 'the comedy years', and then once we got to the invisible car, that pretty much did it.

    Then along came the Bourne movies, and the Craig movies are a response to it. The Quantum of Solace still sucks.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Plato said:

    Grace Jones wearing no knickers is one of the only things I remember about that film. The DuranDuran video was rather good and revived their careers.

    That was A View to a Kill, so maybe not that memorable after all...
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,223
    rcs1000 said:

    Licence*. It's not a verb, and we're not Americans. (Like practice/practise, it does take an S when used as a verb. Or when an American noun).

    That's my second favourite bit of pedantry: behind fewer and less.
    As a statistician nothing angers me more than to see less instead of fewer. On Pointless, Alexander Armstrong makes the mistake deliberately just to annoy people like me.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    The rise of the new Fuhrer ???

    Poll predicts landslide victory for Jeremy Corbyn in Labour contest http://t.co/XCSKz3rOZ9 pic.twitter.com/x5wL99KlZ8

    — Sky News (@SkyNews) August 11, 2015
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    Jeremy Corbyn Glasgow rally moved to bigger venue.

    A rally in Glasgow by the veteran left-winger who is standing for Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, has moved to a bigger venue after the original event sold out.

    https://www.holyrood.com/articles/news/jeremy-corbyn-glasgow-rally-moved-bigger-venue

    He's in Cardiff today, before setting off for a 4 city tour in Scotland while the other candidates e-mail their thoughts to which ever rag will print it. The differance in campaigning is startling.

    meanwhile Kendall cant sell out a toilet
    Oran Mor aint that big -500 punters max.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,389
    edited August 2015
    Surely even in the "North" voters will realize Jezza isn't a credible candidate for Prime Minister and Labour is taking them for fools?
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Being invited to do the Bond theme song is just so massive.
    Tim_B said:

    Financier said:

    JEO said:

    All of the Daniel Craig Bond films have been fantastic. I also liked Goldeneye, although later Brosnan ones got silly. I've never understood the appeal of the cheesy Connery and Moore ones. Names like Pussy Galore, absurd villains like Oddjob and DIY helicopters just broke the suspension of disbelief.

    Agree about a lot of the cheesiness. Of course the style of the secret services have changed from the days when Ian Fleming knew them, but personally I find Daniel Craig's films too hard and over-violent, without that certain air of sophistication and finesse that is still present. It will be hard to beat Judie Dench as M - she has that inner steel so required of a Chief.
    Much of the appeal of the early Bond films was their glossy international destinations, usually four or five per film, in an age before holidays had broken out of the Blackpool and Benidorm norm.

    That, and the casual sex.
    Let's not forget the pace due to Peter Hunt's sharp editing, Bond was the first to use a pre-credit sequence, John Barry's fabulous music, great theme songs, and Connery's one liners.

    Roger Moore was 'the comedy years', and then once we got to the invisible car, that pretty much did it.

    Then along came the Bourne movies, and the Craig movies are a response to it. The Quantum of Solace still sucks.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    MikeK said:

    The rise of the new Fuhrer ???

    Poll predicts landslide victory for Jeremy Corbyn in Labour contest http://t.co/XCSKz3rOZ9 pic.twitter.com/x5wL99KlZ8

    — Sky News (@SkyNews) August 11, 2015


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMKsR_wUSfA
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Scott_P said:

    Plato said:

    Grace Jones wearing no knickers is one of the only things I remember about that film. The DuranDuran video was rather good and revived their careers.

    That was A View to a Kill, so maybe not that memorable after all...
    If Grace was commando it was more like View to a Krill...


  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Update on Rick Perry - press reports now saying he's stopped paying all staff - not just South Carolina - as fund raising has dried up.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Ha! Yes.
    Scott_P said:

    Plato said:

    Grace Jones wearing no knickers is one of the only things I remember about that film. The DuranDuran video was rather good and revived their careers.

    That was A View to a Kill, so maybe not that memorable after all...
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,976
    Mr. Gin, counter-intuitively, perhaps, in Yorkshire the further north you are the more Conservative it is (in contrast to the People's Republic of South Yorkshire).

    Corbyn won't make gains in the North, and probably won't lose seats in the South. Lots of marginals in West Yorkshire, though.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,669
    edited August 2015
    OK. We've done favourite Bond actors and movies.

    Now, favourite Bond villains.

    For me:
    Goldfinger
    A View to a Kill (wonderfully played by Christopher Walken)
    And the guy in Skyfall

    Worst? Probably the silly "General" in Licence to Kill.

    EDIT: not, Licence to Kill - that actually had quite a good villain. I'm thinking of the Living Daylights.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,571
    edited August 2015
    Plato said:

    I remain amazed that anyone is still maintaining Jezza will stand aside or doesn't want the top job.

    It's been plain as a pikestaff for at least two weeks that he's going for it big time.

    Yes, I don't think the media really understand him. He's a product of the "I'm just part of the movement" philosophy, which rejects personal ambition in favour of collective action (I'm broadly from the same school of thought - I've never cared that much what my personal role was). So he gives interviews indicating that he hadn't especially thought about leading and was persuaded to have a go, and journalists think he means he's not really very interested, whereas what he really means is that he's not motivated by any particular personal longing to be El Duce.
    Pulpstar said:



    What is his view on Scottish independence btw ?

    He's against it - his branch of left-wing thinking is against "all varieties of nationalism that put national identity ahead of the common interest of working people". Salmond has commented that it's a snag about working with him, but not an insuperable one since he agrees on Trident etc.

  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited August 2015
    rcs1000 said:

    Now, favourite Bond villains.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Stavro_Blofeld (Donald Pleasence in You Only Live Twice)
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,976
    Mr. 1000, General?

    Wasn't Sanchez the drug lord the villain in Licence to Kill?

    Not seen Skyfall.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Plato said:

    Being invited to do the Bond theme song is just so massive.

    Tim_B said:

    Financier said:

    JEO said:

    All of the Daniel Craig Bond films have been fantastic. I also liked Goldeneye, although later Brosnan ones got silly. I've never understood the appeal of the cheesy Connery and Moore ones. Names like Pussy Galore, absurd villains like Oddjob and DIY helicopters just broke the suspension of disbelief.

    Agree about a lot of the cheesiness. Of course the style of the secret services have changed from the days when Ian Fleming knew them, but personally I find Daniel Craig's films too hard and over-violent, without that certain air of sophistication and finesse that is still present. It will be hard to beat Judie Dench as M - she has that inner steel so required of a Chief.
    Much of the appeal of the early Bond films was their glossy international destinations, usually four or five per film, in an age before holidays had broken out of the Blackpool and Benidorm norm.

    That, and the casual sex.
    Let's not forget the pace due to Peter Hunt's sharp editing, Bond was the first to use a pre-credit sequence, John Barry's fabulous music, great theme songs, and Connery's one liners.

    Roger Moore was 'the comedy years', and then once we got to the invisible car, that pretty much did it.

    Then along came the Bourne movies, and the Craig movies are a response to it. The Quantum of Solace still sucks.
    When The Oscars did it's 50 years of Bond celebration, the climax was Shirley Bassey appearing on stage to sing Goldfinger. Later on Adele appeared to sing Skyfall. The contrast was huge. By contrast to Goldfinger it was a total dud.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I see someone has posted several Citizen Smith episodes - some of the youngsters voting for Corbyn should watch them. The pilot.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goB0Cu74Pn4
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,669
    Indigo said:
    Ah yes: good call.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,669

    Mr. 1000, General?

    Wasn't Sanchez the drug lord the villain in Licence to Kill?

    Not seen Skyfall.

    Yes, I got my Daltons confused. The drug lord wasn't a bad villain at all.

    You should see Skyfall. Not as good as Casino Royale, but better than QoS. It does, however, have the best Bond baddie monologue.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Mr. 1000, General?

    Wasn't Sanchez the drug lord the villain in Licence to Kill?

    Not seen Skyfall.

    Yes he was.

    I saw Skyfall on opening day and when the DB5 appeared with the James Bond theme, the place burst into applause as nobody knew about it.
  • shadsyshadsy Posts: 289
    New market at Ladbrokes:

    Corbyn 1st preference share
    5/1 Under 40%
    5/1 40-45%
    3/1 45-50%
    2/1 50-55%
    3/1 Over 55%
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,976
    Mr. 1000, I'll catch it on TV at some point. Not much of a cinema-goer.
  • This story from the BBC is of considerable significance. If Ministers are considering this option seriously, they have all but given up on renegotiating the terms of British membership of the European Union. You do need to renegotiate your membership to apply a four year residence test to all those seeking in-work benefits within your jurisdiction. The story points very strongly to an early referendum.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Dr. No for me - those metal hands
    rcs1000 said:

    OK. We've done favourite Bond actors and movies.

    Now, favourite Bond villains.

    For me:
    Goldfinger
    A View to a Kill (wonderfully played by Christopher Walken)
    And the guy in Skyfall

    Worst? Probably the silly "General" in Licence to Kill.

    EDIT: not, Licence to Kill - that actually had quite a good villain. I'm thinking of the Living Daylights.

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,669

    This story from the BBC is of considerable significance. If Ministers are considering this option seriously, they have all but given up on renegotiating the terms of British membership of the European Union. You do need to renegotiate your membership to apply a four year residence test to all those seeking in-work benefits within your jurisdiction. The story points very strongly to an early referendum.

    Totally tangential to the issue of EU membership, I've been a big believer that pretty much no benefits should be payable to anyone at all, until there have been four years of NI contributions.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,976
    Just a few small issues to work out for the Greek bailout. Deadline is 20 August [well, deadline number 1, anyway]:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-33858660
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,713
    The most common criticism of Dalton is his lack of 'sense of humour' but that's a creation of the film Bond, not the roots of the literary Fleming Bond who he was trying to emulate. Very successfully IMHO.

    The book Bond makes clear references to how the cold assassination of men for the British state eats away at Bond's soul, which is why he drinks so much and takes pleasure in whatever fine living he can find. His tragic family backstory and closeness to death also explain why he has so many one night stands, without commiting to any relationship, because he fears the loss. Ultimately, it's only his strong sense of duty, sense of right and wrong fatalism that propels him forward.

    Dalton got this spot on. Look at the little things in his films. How he sighs just before saying "bring the chair" in the TLD defection/assassination scene right at the start. The "yes, I got the message", when his Mi6 colleague is assassinated. The way he expresses his defiant professionalism when challenged about not shooting dead the sniper "stuff my orders".

    Dalton is Fleming's Bond to me. And I think it's a shame he was never fully recognised for it.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    edited August 2015
    http://metro.co.uk/2015/08/10/teenage-girl-stabs-dad-after-he-catches-her-smoking-5335815/

    That'l teach him, the bastard!!!

    Look what happens when society spares the rod!
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @DPJHodges: MP tells me Yvette Cooper is going to remove the gloves and start taking on Jeremy Corbyn directly.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    All the Bond films, after Connery were, without exception, remake rubbish.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I had a huge crush on Dalton and was delighted when he was finally cast [I gather he'd turned it down previously as he thought he was too young].

    I hated him in the role. And I love the Bond in the books, that curious contrast of cruelty and sentimentality in one man. I found him wooden and uncomfortable. Maybe it's the scripts - but I felt he just didn't want to be there.

    We're destined to never agree here :wink:

    The most common criticism of Dalton is his lack of 'sense of humour' but that's a creation of the film Bond, not the roots of the literary Fleming Bond who he was trying to emulate. Very successfully IMHO.

    The book Bond makes clear references to how the cold assassination of men for the British state eats away at Bond's soul, which is why he drinks so much and takes pleasure in whatever fine living he can find. His tragic family backstory and closeness to death also explain why he has so many one night stands, without commiting to any relationship, because he fears the loss. Ultimately, it's only his strong sense of duty, sense of right and wrong fatalism that propels him forward.

    Dalton got this spot on. Look at the little things in his films. How he sighs just before saying "bring the chair" in the TLD defection/assassination scene right at the start. The "yes, I got the message", when his Mi6 colleague is assassinated. The way he expresses his defiant professionalism when challenged about not shooting dead the sniper "stuff my orders".

    Dalton is Fleming's Bond to me. And I think it's a shame he was never fully recognised for it.

  • Life_ina_market_townLife_ina_market_town Posts: 2,319
    edited August 2015
    rcs1000 said:

    Totally tangential to the issue of EU membership, I've been a big believer that pretty much no benefits should be payable to anyone at all, until there have been four years of NI contributions.

    That is of course the point. The central plank of the government's "renegotiation" was to ensure the UK was permitted to discriminate against EU citizens in the provision of in-work benefits. If the government is considering applying the proposed change to British citizens as well, it would appear to follow that the government has realised that it has minimal chance of persuading the other member states and, potentially, the European Parliament, of its views.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    MikeK said:

    All the Bond films, after Connery were, without exception, remake rubbish.

    Never Say Never Again was on TV this weekend...
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,669
    MikeK said:

    http://metro.co.uk/2015/08/10/teenage-girl-stabs-dad-after-he-catches-her-smoking-5335815/

    That'l teach him, the bastard!!!

    Look what happens when society spares the rod!

    You're right: if only he'd beat his daughter more, then she would have known her place.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Never Say Never Again was embarrassing.
    MikeK said:

    All the Bond films, after Connery were, without exception, remake rubbish.

  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Scott_P said:

    @DPJHodges: MP tells me Yvette Cooper is going to remove the gloves and start taking on Jeremy Corbyn directly.

    What! With only hours to go before the voting starts. Hodges, keep eating your hats!!
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,983
    At least he'll call the SNP's socialist bluff.

    Excellent news for Scottish Labour. Should blow Nicola out of the water just in time for the Holyrood elections.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    edited August 2015
    Thunderball is my favourite Bond film.

    Easily the sexiest women. A semi-plausible plot. A believable villain. Real sadism and cruelty which drew quite some flak in 1965. It was the only Bond film to be almost given an 'X' rating. Great gadgets. Probably the best opening and closing scenes in the franchise. Only spoiled slightly by the underwater scenes being a tad too long.

    I also have a soft spot for OHMSS mainly because it was one of a kind, and quite a contrast to all the others.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    rcs1000 said:

    MikeK said:

    http://metro.co.uk/2015/08/10/teenage-girl-stabs-dad-after-he-catches-her-smoking-5335815/

    That'l teach him, the bastard!!!

    Look what happens when society spares the rod!

    You're right: if only he'd beat his daughter more, then she would have known her place.
    Stop being a blinkered fool Robert! You know as well as me that there is a right and wrong way to instil family and social discipline.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,389
    Roger said:

    At least he'll call the SNP's socialist bluff.

    Excellent news for Scottish Labour. Should blow Nicola out of the water just in time for the Holyrood elections.

    Dream on!

    Labour's dead in Scotland (and my soon be in England and Wales too)
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,813
    Roger said:

    At least he'll call the SNP's socialist bluff.

    Excellent news for Scottish Labour. Should blow Nicola out of the water just in time for the Holyrood elections.

    As the Nationalist commentators have pointed out, that rather depends on him being able to get past whichever random nonentity is crowned SLAB leader this week, none of whom are socialists.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,713
    rcs1000 said:

    OK. We've done favourite Bond actors and movies.

    Now, favourite Bond villains.

    For me:
    Goldfinger
    A View to a Kill (wonderfully played by Christopher Walken)
    And the guy in Skyfall

    Worst? Probably the silly "General" in Licence to Kill.

    EDIT: not, Licence to Kill - that actually had quite a good villain. I'm thinking of the Living Daylights.

    Zorin in AVTAK wins hands down for me. Walken was simply superb. I also love Le Chiffre in Casino Royale. Honorable mentions to Christopher Lee in TMWTGG (a generally weak film) Drax in Moonraker, and Sanchez in LTK.

    I also like Louis Jordan in Octopussy. Sean Bean in Goldeneye is also underrated. Jonathan Pryce didn't quite pull it off for me in TND and Robert Carlyle put in a good performance in TWINE but with a weak script that didn't allow him to show the full extent of his talents.

    The Diamonds are Forever Blofeld was probably a low point for me. Toby Stephens was far too good for the truly awful Die Another Day.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Plato said:

    Never Say Never Again was embarrassing.

    MikeK said:

    All the Bond films, after Connery were, without exception, remake rubbish.

    I have a book somewhere with a chart showing which plots were recycled. It was quite surprising how many are. I think the Thunderball plot was the most popular recycle.
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