I know the GOP debate starts in an hour or so , but the pre-debate forum or whatever you can call it was dreadful, and of course only 31 people were sitting in the audience (I counted them). I hope that no one does something like that ever again.
I know the GOP debate starts in an hour or so , but the pre-debate forum or whatever you can call it was dreadful, and of course only 31 people were sitting on the audience (I counted them). I hope that no one does something like that ever again.
The hall was only open to family and friends during the first debate, but there will be 4500 people there for the real thing.
The Republican Convention will be held in the same building next year.
I know the GOP debate starts in an hour or so , but the pre-debate forum or whatever you can call it was dreadful, and of course only 31 people were sitting on the audience (I counted them). I hope that no one does something like that ever again.
The hall was only open to family and friends during the first debate, but there will be 4500 people there for the real thing.
The Republican Convention will be held in the same building next year.
That doesn't change the fact that it was still dreadful.
RE: labour and Corbyn. How on earth have they got it into their heads that he is some incredibly charismatic individual? I actually think that last chunks of the general public are blissfully unaware of the Labour leadership contest. For those who don't seek out political news on websites and on television it's really been quite easy to avoid. Forget his policies for a moment, when they re-engage and discover that Labour have elected a rather dull, earnest, 66 year-old grandad(?) there is going to be some serious wtf reactions and a great deal of hilarity to be had...
I know the GOP debate starts in an hour or so , but the pre-debate forum or whatever you can call it was dreadful, and of course only 31 people were sitting on the audience (I counted them). I hope that no one does something like that ever again.
The hall was only open to family and friends during the first debate, but there will be 4500 people there for the real thing.
The Republican Convention will be held in the same building next year.
That doesn't change the fact that it was still dreadful.
I know the GOP debate starts in an hour or so , but the pre-debate forum or whatever you can call it was dreadful, and of course only 31 people were sitting on the audience (I counted them). I hope that no one does something like that ever again.
The hall was only open to family and friends during the first debate, but there will be 4500 people there for the real thing.
The Republican Convention will be held in the same building next year.
That doesn't change the fact that it was still dreadful.
True, but don't tell Carly
The GOP pre-debate debate can be safely included in the cures for insomnia:
All local five results - Bit of a mini election here with the best part of 20,000 votes cast in five elections. Overall the SNP took 51 per cent on an average swing near 20 per cent from Labour with swings (from 2012) ranging from 13 per cent in Langside to 25 per cent in Calton.
Compared to election in suggests that SNP surge is, if anything, intensifying since the swing is from an election where Labour and the SNP were in a statistical tie around Scotland. Tonights results would suggest that the SNP are something near 40 points ahead of Labour around Scotland compared to less than 30 in May.
RE: labour and Corbyn. How on earth have they got it into their heads that he is some incredibly charismatic individual? I actually think that last chunks of the general public are blissfully unaware of the Labour leadership contest. For those who don't seek out political news on websites and on television it's really been quite easy to avoid. Forget his policies for a moment, when they re-engage and discover that Labour have elected a rather dull, earnest, 66 year-old grandad(?) there is going to be some serious wtf reactions and a great deal of hilarity to be had...
Interesting, he's 66 now and he'll be 70 if he makes it to the 2020 general election. (71 a few weeks later) He'll look even more ancient by then, he'll actually look as old as his policies.
No lack of effort from Labour explains this latest disaster. This from the New Statesman this week.
"You need to get your act together, from top to bottom!" a life-long Labour voter told me on his doorstep in Glasgow this week. I was out canvassing in a series of local government by-elections in Scotland, caused by sitting SNP councillors, who didn't expect to win, becoming MPs. Ben Bradshaw MP
RE: labour and Corbyn. How on earth have they got it into their heads that he is some incredibly charismatic individual?
Have they got that into their heads? Even sympathetic observers often remark that he lacks the personal magnetism of the types who tend to be at the centre of "anti-establishment" surges (Farage, Galloway etc). But it'd be tough to argue that he's any less charismatic than, say, Yvette Cooper.
It is true he's going to be a bit on the old side in 2020, though.
A good night for the SNP - but it would be surprising if people who recently voted SNP for Westminster, in SNP council seats, suddenly voted for someone else, wouldn't it?
It seems Fox is attacking most candidates early on, Christie is trying to explain himself on why he drove New Jersey in the ground.
Though they favour so far Walker.
The moderators said on Tuesday that they did not want the candidates to fall back on their talking points. So far it's working. Trump hasn't said much other than to refuse the pledge, which will damage him somewhat.
Give the election now to Hillary Clinton. This lot are useless. Mind you the most electable and interesting Democratic candidate could be former Senator Jim Webb.
Carlotta - see the near 40 per cent gap across the country between SNP and Labour as projected by the results tonight compared to the less than 30 per cent in the election in May.
On that calculation the SNP momentum is,if anything, accelerating.
A good night for the SNP - but it would be surprising if people who recently voted SNP for Westminster, in SNP council seats, suddenly voted for someone else, wouldn't it?
Of course, but they're achieving bigger vote shares than they did in the GE.
Looks pretty clear there's SNP rampage tonight, perhaps showing not even Corbyn can stop the LAB bloodletting.
Lab sadly do not represent Scottish working class now, their previous voices have swapped sides forever. Once people go SNP/YES they rarely go back. Polls show 95% ongoing? If you were Glaswegian who would you want, Burnham/Mrs Balls etc or Sturgeon in your corner?
Trump answers about Iraq on a health care question, but he comes back saying that the Canadian health care system works and blames corrupt politicians.
Paul comes to attack Trump, Trump trumps him.
Now he goes on the "politicians always want my money" about Hillary.
So far I give Carson, Kasich and Christie the Grown Up in the Room award. Bush doing better than I expected. Paul a huge disappointment, Walker a cipher.
It's now a business fight about chapter 7 and chapter 11. Trump counter attacks with Christie and Atlantic City casinos going bust. He reverses the tables by saying that he can do the same with the 19 trillion the USA owes, he gets a big applause.
Rubio wants to repeal Dodd-Frank for the benefit of small business.
Walker: The 1979 hostage crisis means Iran is not trustworthy. Paul: He opposes the deal but not negotiations. Huckabee: Reagan " trust but verify", Iran vs Israel, "death to america".
I don't know what debate soem posters are watching. They are all dire with the exception of Paul who at least is interesting. Trump oh dearie dearie me.
Kasich gets an applause on his support for gay marriage, played the family card. Paul is against gay marriage and guns restrictions, goes all social conservative "the government is imposing it's way on the church".
And now a policing question.
Walker wants more funding and education for police forces.
And that is round 4.
Everything is pretty stable, a routine has been established.
Trump is suffocating from lack of question time.
The others are very boring talking all their time about their record in office, only Huckabee and Paul barely register.
Carson is deflecting the question by going towards the weak military line, Carson clearly doesn't know the subject but he's successful is covering it up.
Walker: China knows more about Hillary's email than us, we need more steel and weapons in eastern europe.
Huckabee: The military is not a social experiment, the military is there to kill not for transgenders, are weapons are older than me.
A question about Israel funding on Paul.
Paul: I have a balanced budget plan by cutting foreign aid, Netanyahu doesn't want military aid, the country will be stronger with better finances.
Christie: I agree with Carson (about what?), Isreal is a priority.
End of round 5.
Trump is becoming like the Trump we know and expect.
The format is very favourable to soundbites and fights, I don't remember anything of the stump speeches and that favours so far Trump, Huckabee and Paul. I don't remember a single thing from the other candidates, when I try it's just a gray fuzz of words, I think it's because it takes a lot of time to return back to the same candidate.
Carson: I'm a surgeon, I don't care about the color of the skin, unity unity unity.
Closing statements.
Kasich: (Stump speech again) His entire record and CV since the 1960's. Christie: I was born to humble beginnings, 9/11 9/11 9/11, we defeated teachers. Paul: I'm a different kind of republican, I fought for you and I'm electable. Rubio: I'm from Cuba from humble beginnings to save the american dream. Cruz: My first day in office... Carson: (Makes a nice joke)I'm willing to fight for freedom. Huckabee: Trump is a nope Hillary is crap. Walker: I defeated the unions, I won I won I won. Bush: I believe that Washington is holding us back, immigration, oil and low taxes are good. Trump: Trump (Mexico, Japan, China are beating us, obamacare.)
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I hope that no one does something like that ever again.
The Republican Convention will be held in the same building next year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RFo6RIN2XM
I hope the GOP debate will keep me awake.
All local five results - Bit of a mini election here with the best part of 20,000 votes cast in five elections. Overall the SNP took 51 per cent on an average swing near 20 per cent from Labour with swings (from 2012) ranging from 13 per cent in Langside to 25 per cent in Calton.
Compared to election in suggests that SNP surge is, if anything, intensifying since the swing is from an election where Labour and the SNP were in a statistical tie around Scotland. Tonights results would suggest that the SNP are something near 40 points ahead of Labour around Scotland compared to less than 30 in May.
He'll look even more ancient by then, he'll actually look as old as his policies.
"You need to get your act together, from top to bottom!" a life-long Labour voter told me on his doorstep in Glasgow this week. I was out canvassing in a series of local government by-elections in Scotland, caused by sitting SNP councillors, who didn't expect to win, becoming MPs. Ben Bradshaw MP
It is true he's going to be a bit on the old side in 2020, though.
I'll try to comment on it although probably no one is reading the comments right now.
Fox did than on purpose and it worked.
Trump's answer on that was awful.
They trap Trump on the first question about running on the GOP platform or not.
Now they are trapping Rubio in favour of Bush.
Rubio is totally ignoring the question about experience.
Though they favour so far Walker.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/world/hiroshima-nagasaki-illustrated/?tid=sm_tw
So far Fox is supporting Walker, Fiorina and Kasich, and really really hates Trump.
- are you in the US or just a night owl
Fox has been kind to him with lots of exposure.
Carlotta - see the near 40 per cent gap across the country between SNP and Labour as projected by the results tonight compared to the less than 30 per cent in the election in May.
On that calculation the SNP momentum is,if anything, accelerating.
This is a Trump vs Fox News war.
No prisoners.
Fox got an early hit but Trump got the last laugh in the first round.
Though Fox is clearly trying to promote Walker, Kasich and Fiorina.
The bell you hear when they go over time is a last-minute replacement.
It was going to be the buzzer from the Cavalier games, but it was too loud and too harsh they felt.
In the Spin Room afterwards all the press types crowded round her and left some of the others looking almost lonely.
Now Rubio is trying, and he's blaming Guatemala and Honduras not Mexico for immigration.
Basically everyone agrees with Trump on this but with their own style.
Cruz is blaming McConnell and corruption as the source of illegal immigration, he also attacked Rubio's gang of 8 on immigration.
Paul is flipping the tables again but he's veering into the constitution.
A big piece of TV here.
Paul just used the Obama card against Christie.
Paul won this but not by much.
Cruz: By having a president that talks about radical islam and the generals are stupid by saying military force won't do.
Bush: It was a mistake, however... (or dear) ISIS ,Iran, Obama ect ect are behind the failure in Iraq not Bush.
If you were Glaswegian who would you want, Burnham/Mrs Balls etc or Sturgeon in your corner?
Paul comes to attack Trump, Trump trumps him.
Now he goes on the "politicians always want my money" about Hillary.
But the rest of this lot are simply rubbish with the exception of Paul who is bright but as daft as the Donald.
Carson goes the 9-9-9 Herman Cain strategy, using the bible's 10% flat tax.
Fox asks from Rubio to repute Bush, Rubio does a good job.
Bush goes on "education education education".
End of Round 2:
More balanced, Fox is trying to now ignore Trump, so far it doesn't work so well.
It's starting to get confusing.
Trump is having a roller coaster ride of a night so far.
The other candidates don't register much, Paul is trying to get attention with fights.
Fox starts with Kasich on a Hillary policy question.
Kasich: My father was a mailman, balanced budgets, growth. Generic speech.
He's now getting animated on that.
Now Carson: He doubts that Hillary will be the candidate, calls her to left wing (!), he gives an articulated generic speech.
Bush say's it's possible by abolishing obamacare, and promoting the keystone pipeline and with more immigration.
Fox is now calling in question Walker's appalling economic record in Wisconsin.
Walker goes on the obamacare tirade and the oil stuff.
It doesn't work, Huckabee is too kind for that.
You see the pattern is that FOX is trying to avoid Trump as much as possible and to deflect attention from him.
Christie is digging a hole for him because he ruined New Jerseys retirement system, Huckabee knows the subject better.
Lol. Huckabee makes it all sexy.
It's now a business fight about chapter 7 and chapter 11.
Trump counter attacks with Christie and Atlantic City casinos going bust.
He reverses the tables by saying that he can do the same with the 19 trillion the USA owes, he gets a big applause.
Rubio wants to repeal Dodd-Frank for the benefit of small business.
Now Iran.
Walker: The 1979 hostage crisis means Iran is not trustworthy.
Paul: He opposes the deal but not negotiations.
Huckabee: Reagan " trust but verify", Iran vs Israel, "death to america".
http://time.com/3966291/donald-trump-insult-generator/
I tried it with 'Queen Elizabeth'......the one about 'carrying their own bags now.....'
Fox is really trying to deflect attention from Trump.
Trump has got the upper hand now on his war with Fox.
Huckabee is starting to rise.
The others are forgettable so far, with the exception of some of the Paul vs Trump fights.
Fox is still supporting Fiorina at every opportunity.
Goofball atheist Tim never had a chance
Irrelevant clown Tim sweats and shakes nervously as they talk "bull" about me. Has zero cred.
Planned parenthood question on Bush, and why he donated to them:
Bush: Bloomberg forced me to, my record is against abortion, I didn't know, my faith is blablablah.
Question on Rubio, why does he support abortion in case of rape:
Rubio: I don't favour abortion in case of rape.
On trump, why he supported abortion in 1999 and say he was a democrat, when he did actually become a republican.
Trump: I've evolved like Reagan, I've changed due to personal examples on abortion, I said I was a democrat because of New York and Bush.
Bush: Vote for me because I'm a uniter and I can win.
Trump: When the world is so scary you can't have a kind worded man like Bush.
Kasich gets an applause on his support for gay marriage, played the family card.
Paul is against gay marriage and guns restrictions, goes all social conservative "the government is imposing it's way on the church".
And now a policing question.
Walker wants more funding and education for police forces.
And that is round 4.
Everything is pretty stable, a routine has been established.
Trump is suffocating from lack of question time.
The others are very boring talking all their time about their record in office, only Huckabee and Paul barely register.
Fox reveals that an Iranian general has visited Moscow "shock" and Russia was behind cyber attacks "shock".
Trump: the president hasn't got a clue, does a Trump on Obama (gets a female fan scream), gave advise to buy Iran stock.
Cruz: Russia and China have committed an act of war on America, Reagan released the Iran hostages in his very first day in office.
Carson is deflecting the question by going towards the weak military line, Carson clearly doesn't know the subject but he's successful is covering it up.
Walker: China knows more about Hillary's email than us, we need more steel and weapons in eastern europe.
Huckabee: The military is not a social experiment, the military is there to kill not for transgenders, are weapons are older than me.
A question about Israel funding on Paul.
Paul: I have a balanced budget plan by cutting foreign aid, Netanyahu doesn't want military aid, the country will be stronger with better finances.
Christie: I agree with Carson (about what?), Isreal is a priority.
End of round 5.
Trump is becoming like the Trump we know and expect.
The format is very favourable to soundbites and fights, I don't remember anything of the stump speeches and that favours so far Trump, Huckabee and Paul.
I don't remember a single thing from the other candidates, when I try it's just a gray fuzz of words, I think it's because it takes a lot of time to return back to the same candidate.
Has God talked to you? (what a question)
Cruz: God has spoken to me, my father was a baptist.
Kasich: My father was a mailman (he said that a million times tonight), he's doing karate chops!
Walker: The blood of Jesus has cleansed my sins, I defeated the unions.
Bubio: God has blessed us with many candidates, the democrats can't find a single one (good one).
most politicians end their speeches by saying "God bless America".
God is still big here. Church attendance is high, particularly in the South.
The abortion and gay marriage fights are religion based.
Carson: I'm a surgeon, I don't care about the color of the skin, unity unity unity.
Closing statements.
Kasich: (Stump speech again) His entire record and CV since the 1960's.
Christie: I was born to humble beginnings, 9/11 9/11 9/11, we defeated teachers.
Paul: I'm a different kind of republican, I fought for you and I'm electable.
Rubio: I'm from Cuba from humble beginnings to save the american dream.
Cruz: My first day in office...
Carson: (Makes a nice joke)I'm willing to fight for freedom.
Huckabee: Trump is a nope Hillary is crap.
Walker: I defeated the unions, I won I won I won.
Bush: I believe that Washington is holding us back, immigration, oil and low taxes are good.
Trump: Trump (Mexico, Japan, China are beating us, obamacare.)