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For those who’ve not been following the WH2016 race some of the shine is coming off Hillary’s nomination chances because of the email row.

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Tim_B

First!

Tim_B

On a point of detail, it is not a criminal investigation. Two inspectors general on the security side have requested a security investigation.

The NY Times also said that in the original article and then corrected it.

There is currently no request for a criminal investigation.

But the fact that out of 40 emails checked, 4 were found to contain classified information when written, means that it might not be far away if anything like that ratio holds up.

The DOJ was so politicized by Holder that they are unlikely to investigate Hillary anything short of proof she is the devil incarnate.

JohnLoony

Third - just like Ross Perot!

JohnLoony

As part of her campaign to become Mayor of London, Tessa Jowell wants every child in London to do ten things before they reach the age of 10, e.g. a trip to the seaside. Is that a Bucket-And-Spade list?

HorstMohammed

Actually, I'd easily give her a 90% chance to win the nomination. The fact is that there's just nobody else who's an acceptable nominee, and if Biden had been interested and sensed that the party wanted to have another option, he would've run months ago. I would also be very wary of journalists trying to push a narrative of a "faltering campaign", when those guys have a vested interest in a lively, competitive primary season. Whenever there was a practically unassailable frontrunner in the past, the media would eagerly seize on the slightest hint of trouble (e.g., Bush losing New Hampshire in '00, or Romney losing the SC primary to Gingrich), despite the fact that those upsets did very little to change the overall dynamics of the race.
Finally, Hillary has been in a very exposed political position for almost a quarter of a century now. There's pretty much no US politician, or at least nobody who's never been president, who's been so extensively scrutinized. Despite the best attempts of the American right wing to tarnish her with some scandal, she's still standing and reasonably popular. The likelihood that e-mail gate is going to be the thing that trips her up at this stage is pretty much zero.

edmundintokyo

Tim_B said:

The DOJ was so politicized by Holder that they are unlikely to investigate Hillary anything short of proof she is the devil incarnate.

For the sake of argument let's say you're right that they're politicized. The Obama team prefer Biden to Hillary, no?

Tim_B

HorstMohammed said:

Despite the best attempts of the American right wing to tarnish her with some scandal, she's still standing and reasonably popular. The likelihood that e-mail gate is going to be the thing that trips her up at this stage is pretty much zero.

This is not the right wing, it is Inspectors General who are non-partisan.

If enough evidence comes to light and an investigation is launched - and we are a long way from that currently - it could quite easily destroy her campaign.

For the first time, this is not Republicans on a witch hunt. This is a serious POTENTIAL threat to her campaign.

Tim_B

edmundintokyo said:

Tim_B said:

The DOJ was so politicized by Holder that they are unlikely to investigate Hillary anything short of proof she is the devil incarnate.

For the sake of argument let's say you're right that they're politicized. The Obama team prefer Biden to Hillary, no?

I have no idea but it seems a reasonable assumption. Biden is not running. If Hillary is weakened enough - and her numbers are going south - who knows?

Tim_B

Regarding Andrew Neil's tweet, the news networks here say unanimously that - at present - Biden is not going to run.

It's too early to describe Hillary's campaign as 'faltering'.

Her trust and honesty numbers are deep underwater, and her numbers in several swing states are dropping, but she's not in big trouble yet.

david_herdson

Tim_B said:

Regarding Andrew Neil's tweet, the news networks here say unanimously that - at present - Biden is not going to run.

It's too early to describe Hillary's campaign as 'faltering'.

Her trust and honesty numbers are deep underwater, and her numbers in several swing states are dropping, but she's not in big trouble yet.

I'd have thought that was solid evidence that she *is* in big trouble. The question is who, if anyone, can take advantage of it. 4/1 for the field is absurdly long.

That said, it won't be Biden.

Plato

FPT @Andy_JS and others re The Times frontpage re money laundering. C4 had a docu about this a week or so ago - estate agents really don't care who wants to spend £5-15m on a pad and don't want to know either.

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/from-russia-with-cash

dr_spyn

Refugees from Hollande's socialist paradise disrupt Eurotunnel traffic.

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2015-07-25/long-delays-on-eurotunnel-due-to-migrant-activity/

OchEye

For those who don't know what is going on, an interesting counterblast :
http://www.salon.com/2015/07/24/another_shoddy_clinton_smear_anatomy_of_the_new_york_times_epic_email_screw_up/?source=newsletter

Sandpit

Morning. Good trading bet Mike, even if she gets the eventual nomination the odds will go out from 1/5 at some point. Most of Betfair Exchange seems to agree with you looking at the numbers this morning.

On the point of the story though, there's definitely something that doesn't add up about it. Ask any IT guy and they will say that it's pretty much impossible to accidentally lose data such that it can't be recovered. Assuming that Hilary wasn't actually administering her email server herself, the 'loss' of the data not handed over must have been intentional.

It is also improbable that in four years of SoS no-one questioned why she didn't use a .gov email address. Given the record-keeping and FoI requirements of their job, the State Department email servers would probably flag any email sent to a non-.gov address from inside.

Any other gov employee caught with gov communications on their own personal machine would of course be subject to the full 'Manning' treatment. There is a growing feeling among the general population that there is one rule for some and very different rules for Hilary Clinton.

See below link for a discussion on a tech blog polulated by people who work for the US government and admin mail servers professionally.
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/15/07/24/1321252/criminal-inquiry-sought-over-hillary-clintons-personal-email-server

Kevin_McCandless

This leads us, of course, to the big question. Does this mean that Martin O'Malley will see his poll ratings tick up into the mid single digits?

CD13

They ought to go easy on Hillary; after all, she's nearly 68 and these techy things are obviously beyond her. And if Jeremy is ever elected PM, he'll be well over 70.

He'll be sticking to pencils and recyclable paper.

DecrepitJohnL

Plato said:

FPT @Andy_JS and others re The Times frontpage re money laundering. C4 had a docu about this a week or so ago - estate agents really don't care who wants to spend £5-15m on a pad and don't want to know either.

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/from-russia-with-cash

Downmarket, there have long been suspicions of home-grown crooks investing in the BTL market -- where their tenants; rents are subsidised by HMG, which is ironic. I suppose it is a step up from the older generation of slum landlords.

SquareRoot

OT

Sincerely disappointed since the Labour bloodletting has died down, my day has been immeasurably brightened but by the revelations over Bercow's expenses.

If it puts him back in his box for a while, its a job well done.

rottenborough

Corbyn now has over 100 CLPs nominations.

Innocent_Abroad

SquareRoot said:

OT

Sincerely disappointed since the Labour bloodletting has died down, my day has been immeasurably brightened but by the revelations over Bercow's expenses.

If it puts him back in his box for a while, its a job well done.

Always elect the tallest candidate possible.

DecrepitJohnL

SquareRoot said:

OT

Sincerely disappointed since the Labour bloodletting has died down, my day has been immeasurably brightened but by the revelations over Bercow's expenses.

If it puts him back in his box for a while, its a job well done.

You old cynic, you. Let's hope whoever is doing this job to put Bercow back in his box has their own expenses in order. The Prime Minister doesn't get the bus from Downing Street to the Commons, after all.

Pulpstar

rottenborough said:

Corbyn now has over 100 CLPs nominations.

I wouldn't vote for him, but he does seem to have far far far more conviction than any of the others.

SquareRoot

Innocent_Abroad said:

SquareRoot said:

OT

Sincerely disappointed since the Labour bloodletting has died down, my day has been immeasurably brightened but by the revelations over Bercow's expenses.

If it puts him back in his box for a while, its a job well done.

Always elect the tallest candidate possible.

very heightist of you, but Bercow does display all the characteristics of LMS.. as no doubt by the type of chauffeur driven car he had. He barely needs more than a Fiat 500 but you can bet it was a limo.

John_M

Good morning all. In the UK (before they changed the classification scheme), you could tell the classification of the network you were sending mail to based on the actual address. If it contained 'gsi', it was good for up to RESTRICTED, x-gsi for CONFIDENTIAL.

Almost by definition, you don't get to directly mail SECRET or TOP SECRET networks .

The US has some equivalents e.g. SIPRNET, JWICS, NIPRNET.

Apologies for the acronym soup .

Morris_Dancer

Good morning, everyone.

Mr. Abroad, your gnomophobia belongs in a bygone age. Shame on you, sir, for your unabashed detestation of munchkins!

Clinton's not really seemed impressive.

SquareRoot

DecrepitJohnL said:

SquareRoot said:

OT

Sincerely disappointed since the Labour bloodletting has died down, my day has been immeasurably brightened but by the revelations over Bercow's expenses.

If it puts him back in his box for a while, its a job well done.

You old cynic, you. Let's hope whoever is doing this job to put Bercow back in his box has their own expenses in order. The Prime Minister doesn't get the bus from Downing Street to the Commons, after all.

The PM(any PM) has a car at his/her disposal 24/7/365 for security reasons . It matters not whether its driven or not bar the fuel cost. Those costs would be incurred anyway.
Bercow is a jumped up little man who thinks he is far more important than he actually is. The fact that he isn't important is of his own making. His antics in the House of Commons are because he doesn't have proper control. He is meant to set an example. His behaviour towards George Osborne at Treasury questions was disgraceful and a perfect example of his lack of charm and control.

foxinsoxuk

Pulpstar said:

rottenborough said:

Corbyn now has over 100 CLPs nominations.

I wouldn't vote for him, but he does seem to have far far far more conviction than any of the others.

I think Corbyn looks like he really will win. The others are floundering, he is surging.

Sandpit

SquareRoot said:

Innocent_Abroad said:

SquareRoot said:

OT

Sincerely disappointed since the Labour bloodletting has died down, my day has been immeasurably brightened but by the revelations over Bercow's expenses.

If it puts him back in his box for a while, its a job well done.

Always elect the tallest candidate possible.

very heightist of you, but Bercow does display all the characteristics of LMS.. as no doubt by the type of chauffeur driven car he had. He barely needs more than a Fiat 500 but you can bet it was a limo.

It's the casual disregard for spending taypayers' money that grates.

No-one spending their own money rents a car and driver for the evening to take them half a mile up the road then wait all night for them - in a city centre full of various types of taxi. How long would it have taken the policeman on the gate to Parliament to flag down a cab for him? Costs a fiver each way if he really couldn't be arsed with the 10 minute walk.

malcolmg

Morning , nice to see this donkey getting his just desserts. Just a pity the tar and feathers were missed out.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/watch-angry-protesters-chase-scotlands-6130021

kle4

Pulpstar said:

rottenborough said:

Corbyn now has over 100 CLPs nominations.

I wouldn't vote for him, but he does seem to have far far far more conviction than any of the others.

Sometimes a lack conviction, a lack of certainty, is better, if the focus of that conviction is just plain wrong or dangerous, but people with it can generally sweep others along with them regardless precisely because most people are uncertain. Time will tell.

Plato

kle4 said:

Pulpstar said:

rottenborough said:

Corbyn now has over 100 CLPs nominations.

I wouldn't vote for him, but he does seem to have far far far more conviction than any of the others.

Sometimes a lack conviction, a lack of certainty, is better, if the focus of that conviction is just plain wrong or dangerous, but people with it can generally sweep others along with them regardless precisely because most people are uncertain. Time will tell.

DecrepitJohnL

SquareRoot said:

DecrepitJohnL said:

SquareRoot said:

OT

Sincerely disappointed since the Labour bloodletting has died down, my day has been immeasurably brightened but by the revelations over Bercow's expenses.

If it puts him back in his box for a while, its a job well done.

You old cynic, you. Let's hope whoever is doing this job to put Bercow back in his box has their own expenses in order. The Prime Minister doesn't get the bus from Downing Street to the Commons, after all.

The PM(any PM) has a car at his/her disposal 24/7/365 for security reasons . It matters not whether its driven or not bar the fuel cost. Those costs would be incurred anyway.
Bercow is a jumped up little man who thinks he is far more important than he actually is. The fact that he isn't important is of his own making. His antics in the House of Commons are because he doesn't have proper control. He is meant to set an example. His behaviour towards George Osborne at Treasury questions was disgraceful and a perfect example of his lack of charm and control.

Good point about the PM's car. Surely Bercow was also using government cars, was he not?

It's shocking that Bercow upset Osborne. Purely by coincidence, the Telegraph reports Bercow being attacked over expenses by "George Osborne's deputy" [Greg Hands].

SquareRoot

Sandpit said:

SquareRoot said:

Innocent_Abroad said:

SquareRoot said:

OT

Sincerely disappointed since the Labour bloodletting has died down, my day has been immeasurably brightened but by the revelations over Bercow's expenses.

If it puts him back in his box for a while, its a job well done.

Always elect the tallest candidate possible.

very heightist of you, but Bercow does display all the characteristics of LMS.. as no doubt by the type of chauffeur driven car he had. He barely needs more than a Fiat 500 but you can bet it was a limo.

It's the casual disregard for spending taypayers' money that grates.

No-one spending their own money rents a car and driver for the evening to take them half a mile up the road then wait all night for them - in a city centre full of various types of taxi. How long would it have taken the policeman on the gate to Parliament to flag down a cab for him? Costs a fiver each way if he really couldn't be arsed with the 10 minute walk.

Quite so, but that's all wrapped up in his overblown sense of his own importance. That's why a cab is beneath him.

perdix

malcolmg said:

Morning , nice to see this donkey getting his just desserts. Just a pity the tar and feathers were missed out.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/watch-angry-protesters-chase-scotlands-6130021

The Scottish Nasty Party in action again.

Sandpit

perdix said:

malcolmg said:

Morning , nice to see this donkey getting his just desserts. Just a pity the tar and feathers were missed out.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/watch-angry-protesters-chase-scotlands-6130021

The Scottish Nasty Party in action again.

For a slightly different perspective on the same incident:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3173709/The-Scottish-Nasty-Party-strikes-Mob-surrounds-Tory-MP-north-border-opens-food-bank.html

Plato

I at @Alanbrooke's version Scottish Natsy Party

perdix said:

malcolmg said:

Morning , nice to see this donkey getting his just desserts. Just a pity the tar and feathers were missed out.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/watch-angry-protesters-chase-scotlands-6130021

The Scottish Nasty Party in action again.

rottenborough

foxinsoxuk said:

Pulpstar said:

rottenborough said:

Corbyn now has over 100 CLPs nominations.

I wouldn't vote for him, but he does seem to have far far far more conviction than any of the others.

I think Corbyn looks like he really will win. The others are floundering, he is surging.

I still think it will be Cooper and have bet accordingly. I do wonder, though, why on earth the Labour party thought it was a good idea to allow anyone to pay £3 this summer and have a vote. I see figures floating around about 50,000 signing up to do this, many by left wing unions.

Casino_Royale

This is worth a watch if you want a good laugh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pa-e_kzg2s


http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/07/24/owen-jones-douglas-carswell-twitter-picture_n_7862970.html

Morris_Dancer

Mr. Borough, isn't that part of the Miliband reforms to Labour's leadership rules?

david_herdson

Morris_Dancer said:

Good morning, everyone.

Mr. Abroad, your gnomophobia belongs in a bygone age. Shame on you, sir, for your unabashed detestation of munchkins!

Clinton's not really seemed impressive.

She's not impressive. Her machine is impressive.

She's also old. Not Joe Biden old, admittedly, but if selected, she'd be 69 on election day. That is admittedly younger than Reagan, Dole or McCain were but would be three years older than any Democrat nominee in history (Lewis Cass in 1848 in case you're wondering - he lost), and fully eight years older than any Democrat candidate since Truman, or, if you prefer, any non-incumbent Democrat since the 1870s.

Plato

Me neither re the £3 votes - it's so obviously an invitation for entryism from those who want to take over your organisation or play silly buggers.

rottenborough said:

foxinsoxuk said:

Pulpstar said:

rottenborough said:

Corbyn now has over 100 CLPs nominations.

I wouldn't vote for him, but he does seem to have far far far more conviction than any of the others.

I think Corbyn looks like he really will win. The others are floundering, he is surging.

I still think it will be Cooper and have bet accordingly. I do wonder, though, why on earth the Labour party thought it was a good idea to allow anyone to pay £3 this summer and have a vote. I see figures floating around about 50,000 signing up to do this, many by left wing unions.

rottenborough

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Borough, isn't that part of the Miliband reforms to Labour's leadership rules?

I believe it was. Another piece of his poisonous legacy.

From a betting point of view, PBers should probably support Corbyn, in the sense that from what I read many shadow cabinet members have sworn to have him out by Xmas, so we'd get another leadership election to bet on in the new year!

Theuniondivvie

perdix said:

malcolmg said:

Morning , nice to see this donkey getting his just desserts. Just a pity the tar and feathers were missed out.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/watch-angry-protesters-chase-scotlands-6130021

The Scottish Nasty Party in action again.

Bit harsh on the SCons, all Mundell did was show the political nous and bravery of a hamster.

Morris_Dancer

Mr. Herdson, she had the machine 8 years ago too.

Don't get me wrong, she could well get the Democrat nod, but I'm just not sure. If I were an American, I think I'd prefer someone else, if there's someone else who appeals (of course).

malcolmg

perdix said:

malcolmg said:

Morning , nice to see this donkey getting his just desserts. Just a pity the tar and feathers were missed out.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/watch-angry-protesters-chase-scotlands-6130021

The Scottish Nasty Party in action again.

Away you halfwit , where did it mention any political party , it was just local people running a hypocrite out of town.

Scott_P

When Nicola finally condemns the mob in Dumfries, and claims they are "nothing to do with the SNP", how many of our local zoomers will recant their fulsome praise this morning?

malcolmg

Sandpit said:

perdix said:

malcolmg said:

Morning , nice to see this donkey getting his just desserts. Just a pity the tar and feathers were missed out.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/watch-angry-protesters-chase-scotlands-6130021

The Scottish Nasty Party in action again.

For a slightly different perspective on the same incident:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3173709/The-Scottish-Nasty-Party-strikes-Mob-surrounds-Tory-MP-north-border-opens-food-bank.html

LOL, the Daily Heil, they have to find some lie about SNP every day.

Flightpathl

malcolmg said:

Morning , nice to see this donkey getting his just desserts. Just a pity the tar and feathers were missed out.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/watch-angry-protesters-chase-scotlands-6130021

What a toss pot you are.

Scott_P

malcolmg said:

where did it mention any political party , it was just local people running a hypocrite out of town.

@WestDumfriesSNP organised this, look at FB post June 23rd arranging it, encouraging their members to "welcome" Mundell.

Morris_Dancer

F1: 20 minutes or so until P3. BBC wibbling about Red Bull getting a podium because they were fast on Friday. Can't see it myself. If you want to back it, loooong odds should be available (but I really wouldn't go for that).

Aerodynamics matter a fair bit so that may advantage Ferrari over Williams.

nigel4england

Sixty years old today, no idea how I made it this far but very glad I did!

Spent last night at a gala dinner in the Long Room at Lords in aid of the Shane Warne Foundation. Piers Morgan hosted a panel that was made up of Ian Healy, Glenn McGrath, Merv Hughes, Mark Taylor, Shane Warne, Sir Ian Botham, Darren Gough, Freddie Flintoff and someone else who I can't remember right now.

Geoff Miller was a brilliant after dinner speaker, and the auction was run by Jeffrey Archer!

Plato

https://twitter.com/GeneralBoles/status/624853383682330624

malcolmg

Plato said:

I at @Alanbrooke's version Scottish Natsy Party

perdix said:

malcolmg said:

Morning , nice to see this donkey getting his just desserts. Just a pity the tar and feathers were missed out.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/watch-angry-protesters-chase-scotlands-6130021

The Scottish Nasty Party in action again.

LOL, the cur slunk out the back door and ran like a coward , not able to defend his two faced lies or policies. The Viceroy of Scotland and he could not even talk to the public. Deservedly humiliated for the pygmy that he is.

Plato

Happy Birthday @nigel4england

Morris_Dancer

Happy birthday, Mr. England. Still over 20 years to go to match Antigonus Monopthalmus (although hopefully you won't get javelined to death).

john_zims

@malcolmg

I guess the SNP rent-a-mob in Dumfries is a distraction from dealing with real issues in Scotland like police call out to road accidents and literacy in schools.

malcolmg

Scott_P said:

When Nicola finally condemns the mob in Dumfries, and claims they are "nothing to do with the SNP", how many of our local zoomers will recant their fulsome praise this morning?

Ha Ha Ha , you really are a dipstick

foxinsoxuk

Sandpit said:

SquareRoot said:

Innocent_Abroad said:

SquareRoot said:

OT

Sincerely disappointed since the Labour bloodletting has died down, my day has been immeasurably brightened but by the revelations over Bercow's expenses.

If it puts him back in his box for a while, its a job well done.

Always elect the tallest candidate possible.

very heightist of you, but Bercow does display all the characteristics of LMS.. as no doubt by the type of chauffeur driven car he had. He barely needs more than a Fiat 500 but you can bet it was a limo.

It's the casual disregard for spending taypayers' money that grates.

No-one spending their own money rents a car and driver for the evening to take them half a mile up the road then wait all night for them - in a city centre full of various types of taxi. How long would it have taken the policeman on the gate to Parliament to flag down a cab for him? Costs a fiver each way if he really couldn't be arsed with the 10 minute walk.

He should be sacked for bringing parliament into disrepute. The last unflushable turd of the Brown/Blair years. Corbyn will flush the rest.

Innocent_Abroad

Flightpathl said:

malcolmg said:

Morning , nice to see this donkey getting his just desserts. Just a pity the tar and feathers were missed out.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/watch-angry-protesters-chase-scotlands-6130021

What a toss pot you are.

A little later than usual, but at last we have the classy abuse this site is so well known (and loved) for...

Casino_Royale

On topic, I agree with OGH. I've laid Hillary with £50.

If there's one thing the GE has taught me, anything could happen. I mean I had thousands on a hung parliament, and was topping it up with hundreds more at 1.04/1.05 on Betfair, just hours before the exit poll was released.

Within 2 hours of it being out, I was trading the whole position out to back a Tory majority.

That was within a half-a-day. Hillary has to hold that price for a whole year for it not to be a value trading bet.

Flightpathl

DecrepitJohnL said:

Plato said:

FPT @Andy_JS and others re The Times frontpage re money laundering. C4 had a docu about this a week or so ago - estate agents really don't care who wants to spend £5-15m on a pad and don't want to know either.

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/from-russia-with-cash

Downmarket, there have long been suspicions of home-grown crooks investing in the BTL market -- where their tenants; rents are subsidised by HMG, which is ironic. I suppose it is a step up from the older generation of slum landlords.

Suspicions? Crooks? Good of you to spread suspicions about some vague anonymous body. I suppose you really hate the fact that individuals have the nerve to invest and be good landlords as opposed to the gormless bureaucratic state.

malcolmg

Flightpathl said:

malcolmg said:

Morning , nice to see this donkey getting his just desserts. Just a pity the tar and feathers were missed out.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/watch-angry-protesters-chase-scotlands-6130021

What a toss pot you are.

Ha Ha Ha , the loonies are out in force now

Scott_P

john_zims said:

@malcolmg

I guess the SNP rent-a-mob in Dumfries is a distraction from dealing with real issues in Scotland like police call out to road accidents and literacy in schools.

That will next the next excuse...

"Sorry about the schools, hospitals, Polis an'at, we are too busy dealing with the Zoomers"

kle4

malcolmg said:

Flightpathl said:

malcolmg said:

Morning , nice to see this donkey getting his just desserts. Just a pity the tar and feathers were missed out.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/watch-angry-protesters-chase-scotlands-6130021

What a toss pot you are.

Ha Ha Ha , the loonies are out in force now

Who brought them out?

malcolmg

Scott_P said:

malcolmg said:

where did it mention any political party , it was just local people running a hypocrite out of town.

@WestDumfriesSNP organised this, look at FB post June 23rd arranging it, encouraging their members to "welcome" Mundell.

The puppet dictator deserves to be welcomed anywhere he spouts his lies, even if he does not have the guts to speak in public. Him running out the back door to avoid the public says it all.

kle4

Happy Birthday Mr England.

Since the regularly scheduled scottish arguments are starting up, I think I'll make like someone confronted/chased by a crowd/mob of heroes/idiots and slink off.

david_herdson

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Herdson, she had the machine 8 years ago too.

Don't get me wrong, she could well get the Democrat nod, but I'm just not sure. If I were an American, I think I'd prefer someone else, if there's someone else who appeals (of course).

She did indeed have the machine then and was also beaten by a better candidate. However, the bar to be a 'better candidate' is lower now than it was in 2008.

Plato

John Bercow: I will only take chauffeur-driven cars when 'absolutely necessary'
The Commons Speaker's pledge follows the criticism that a 0.7 mile journey costing £172 was an 'obscene waste' of taxpayers' money http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/11762528/John-Bercow-I-will-only-take-chauffeur-driven-cars-when-absolutely-necessary.html

SquareRoot said:

Sandpit said:

SquareRoot said:

Innocent_Abroad said:

SquareRoot said:

OT

Sincerely disappointed since the Labour bloodletting has died down, my day has been immeasurably brightened but by the revelations over Bercow's expenses.

If it puts him back in his box for a while, its a job well done.

Always elect the tallest candidate possible.

very heightist of you, but Bercow does display all the characteristics of LMS.. as no doubt by the type of chauffeur driven car he had. He barely needs more than a Fiat 500 but you can bet it was a limo.

It's the casual disregard for spending taypayers' money that grates.

No-one spending their own money rents a car and driver for the evening to take them half a mile up the road then wait all night for them - in a city centre full of various types of taxi. How long would it have taken the policeman on the gate to Parliament to flag down a cab for him? Costs a fiver each way if he really couldn't be arsed with the 10 minute walk.

Quite so, but that's all wrapped up in his overblown sense of his own importance. That's why a cab is beneath him.

Morris_Dancer

Mr. Royale, glad you managed to escape the Pit of Doom, hopefully with a good profit.

Been casting my eye over the season so far (Hungary's the final race of the first half). Bloody weird. It broadly follows the traditional pattern (rubbish start, gets better later), but I had six consecutive red races to start with. Only the last three have been green. It's an unpleasant feeling to be red for months.

To link it with the 'anything can happen' line, that only really occurs when F1 has dramatic regulation changes. This might be coming sooner than expected due to Mercedes crushing dominance. Then there's the potential for a Brawn blown diffuser situation.

TCPoliticalBetting

nigel4england said:

Sixty years old today, no idea how I made it this far but very glad I did!

Congrats

malcolmg

Innocent_Abroad said:

Flightpathl said:

malcolmg said:

Morning , nice to see this donkey getting his just desserts. Just a pity the tar and feathers were missed out.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/watch-angry-protesters-chase-scotlands-6130021

What a toss pot you are.

A little later than usual, but at last we have the classy abuse this site is so well known (and loved) for...

Have to apologise I was busy looking for rc models of the Bismark.

DecrepitJohnL

rottenborough said:

foxinsoxuk said:

Pulpstar said:

rottenborough said:

Corbyn now has over 100 CLPs nominations.

I wouldn't vote for him, but he does seem to have far far far more conviction than any of the others.

I think Corbyn looks like he really will win. The others are floundering, he is surging.

I still think it will be Cooper and have bet accordingly. I do wonder, though, why on earth the Labour party thought it was a good idea to allow anyone to pay £3 this summer and have a vote. I see figures floating around about 50,000 signing up to do this, many by left wing unions.

No idea -- to raise money and get new members? Maybe they nicked the idea wholesale from the Conservatives' open primaries (which, you may be surprised to learn, were not greeted with the same derision from pb Tories).

Morris_Dancer

Mr. Herdson, true, but isn't Clinton herself also weaker than she was in 2008?

Mr. kle4, you could always stay and enjoy the forthcoming F1 chatter

Morris_Dancer

Mr. L, open primaries don't determine the Conservative leader.

malcolmg

Scott_P said:

john_zims said:

@malcolmg

I guess the SNP rent-a-mob in Dumfries is a distraction from dealing with real issues in Scotland like police call out to road accidents and literacy in schools.

That will next the next excuse...

"Sorry about the schools, hospitals, Polis an'at, we are too busy dealing with the Zoomers"

John zoomer, Yes that is what governments do , they man the help centres and make sure calls get through,
what a richard. When you have the village idiot supporting you , you know you are not all there on the topic.

malcolmg

kle4 said:

Happy Birthday Mr England.

Since the regularly scheduled scottish arguments are starting up, I think I'll make like someone confronted/chased by a crowd/mob of heroes/idiots and slink off.

cowardy custard Tory lives up to the standard

Casino_Royale

Sandpit said:

perdix said:

malcolmg said:

Morning , nice to see this donkey getting his just desserts. Just a pity the tar and feathers were missed out.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/watch-angry-protesters-chase-scotlands-6130021

The Scottish Nasty Party in action again.

For a slightly different perspective on the same incident:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3173709/The-Scottish-Nasty-Party-strikes-Mob-surrounds-Tory-MP-north-border-opens-food-bank.html

The moronic shouts of "traitor" are a bit of a giveaway.

malcolmg

Casino_Royale said:

Sandpit said:

perdix said:

malcolmg said:

Morning , nice to see this donkey getting his just desserts. Just a pity the tar and feathers were missed out.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/watch-angry-protesters-chase-scotlands-6130021

The Scottish Nasty Party in action again.

For a slightly different perspective on the same incident:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3173709/The-Scottish-Nasty-Party-strikes-Mob-surrounds-Tory-MP-north-border-opens-food-bank.html

The moronic shouts of "traitor" are a bit of a giveaway.

Should have been "Lord Haw Haw"

TCPoliticalBetting

rottenborough said:

I still think it will be Cooper and have bet accordingly. I do wonder, though, why on earth the Labour party thought it was a good idea to allow anyone to pay £3 this summer and have a vote. I see figures floating around about 50,000 signing up to do this, many by left wing unions.

If we believe LenMc and Unite's 70,000 figure, there will be over 100,000 of these £3 supporters.

david_herdson

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Herdson, true, but isn't Clinton herself also weaker than she was in 2008?

Mr. kle4, you could always stay and enjoy the forthcoming F1 chatter

That was what I meant. To better than Clinton now takes less than it did in 2008.

Casino_Royale

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Royale, glad you managed to escape the Pit of Doom, hopefully with a good profit.

Been casting my eye over the season so far (Hungary's the final race of the first half). Bloody weird. It broadly follows the traditional pattern (rubbish start, gets better later), but I had six consecutive red races to start with. Only the last three have been green. It's an unpleasant feeling to be red for months.

To link it with the 'anything can happen' line, that only really occurs when F1 has dramatic regulation changes. This might be coming sooner than expected due to Mercedes crushing dominance. Then there's the potential for a Brawn blown diffuser situation.

Cheers. It refounded my belief in Murphy's law - or a form of it. There are no 100% chances! Whatever can happen could happen.

Actually, it was fine. I had a fairly green book, just ended up being slimmer. I ended up going from +£700 on hung parliament to +£450 on Tory majority.

Of course, could have made thousands more had I known earlier, or had the confidence to back at the much longer odds in the days before, but that's betting (and life)

Casino_Royale

malcolmg said:

Casino_Royale said:

Sandpit said:

perdix said:

malcolmg said:

Morning , nice to see this donkey getting his just desserts. Just a pity the tar and feathers were missed out.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/watch-angry-protesters-chase-scotlands-6130021

The Scottish Nasty Party in action again.

For a slightly different perspective on the same incident:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3173709/The-Scottish-Nasty-Party-strikes-Mob-surrounds-Tory-MP-north-border-opens-food-bank.html

The moronic shouts of "traitor" are a bit of a giveaway.

Should have been "Lord Haw Haw"

You can raise that with the Dumfriesstadt Volkssturm next time you see them.

runnymede

Should have been "Lord Haw Haw"

Not 'Arthur Donaldson'?

Morris_Dancer

Mr. Herdson, ah, sorry, misread your post.

kle4

malcolmg said:

kle4 said:

Happy Birthday Mr England.

Since the regularly scheduled scottish arguments are starting up, I think I'll make like someone confronted/chased by a crowd/mob of heroes/idiots and slink off.

cowardy custard Tory lives up to the standard

Still just about here - me or Mundell? I've personally not me the standard for being a Tory, ie having ever voted Tory.

MonikerDiCanio

malcolmg said:

Morning , nice to see this donkey getting his just desserts. Just a pity the tar and feathers were missed out.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/watch-angry-protesters-chase-scotlands-6130021

Shocking level of obesity in the Nat mob. The last thing these whales need is a food bank, no wonder they're upset.

Toms

Of course Hillary Clinton is no shoo-in. She's a human bean for crumb's sake. Hopefully the Tea Party Tar & Featherers will at some stage fall into their own vat.

Speaking of yobbo spiv To*y nastiness I see that I'll have to follow my partner's example and sign up for the Labour vote to try to undo a bit of the damage.

malcolmg

MonikerDiCanio said:

malcolmg said:

Morning , nice to see this donkey getting his just desserts. Just a pity the tar and feathers were missed out.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/watch-angry-protesters-chase-scotlands-6130021

Shocking level of obesity in the Nat mob. The last thing these whales need is a food bank, no wonder they're upset.

Your loving caring nature for your fellow humans always astounds me.

DecrepitJohnL

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. L, open primaries don't determine the Conservative leader.

But have far smaller electorates so greater opportunities for playing silly buggers.

calum

If Hilary does start to falter another interesting character to keep an eye on is Michael O'Malley, who has a track record of winning against the odds. Although he's not registering in the opinion polls he is a fearsome campaigner and with greater media exposure could come through strongly, he's 28/1 with WH to become the Democratic candidate.

malcolmg

kle4 said:

malcolmg said:

kle4 said:

Happy Birthday Mr England.

Since the regularly scheduled scottish arguments are starting up, I think I'll make like someone confronted/chased by a crowd/mob of heroes/idiots and slink off.

cowardy custard Tory lives up to the standard

Still just about here - me or Mundell? I've personally not me the standard for being a Tory, ie having ever voted Tory.

Kle4, so you fibbed and were then lurking, even calling Mundell a Tory is not a big enough insult, he really is one of the worst of the slimeballs.

Flightpathl

malcolmg said:

kle4 said:

malcolmg said:

kle4 said:

Happy Birthday Mr England.

Since the regularly scheduled scottish arguments are starting up, I think I'll make like someone confronted/chased by a crowd/mob of heroes/idiots and slink off.

cowardy custard Tory lives up to the standard

Still just about here - me or Mundell? I've personally not me the standard for being a Tory, ie having ever voted Tory.

Kle4, so you fibbed and were then lurking, even calling Mundell a Tory is not a big enough insult, he really is one of the worst of the slimeballs.

Why don't you just stick your slimeball where the sun don't shine.

Flightpathl

malcolmg said:

MonikerDiCanio said:

malcolmg said:

Morning , nice to see this donkey getting his just desserts. Just a pity the tar and feathers were missed out.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/watch-angry-protesters-chase-scotlands-6130021

Shocking level of obesity in the Nat mob. The last thing these whales need is a food bank, no wonder they're upset.

Your loving caring nature for your fellow humans always astounds me.

What do you know about humans?

Rexel56

DecrepitJohnL said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. L, open primaries don't determine the Conservative leader.

But have far smaller electorates so greater opportunities for playing silly buggers.

Always wondered what a non sequitur looks like....

malcolmg

Flightpathl said:

malcolmg said:

kle4 said:

malcolmg said:

kle4 said:

Happy Birthday Mr England.

Since the regularly scheduled scottish arguments are starting up, I think I'll make like someone confronted/chased by a crowd/mob of heroes/idiots and slink off.

cowardy custard Tory lives up to the standard

Still just about here - me or Mundell? I've personally not me the standard for being a Tory, ie having ever voted Tory.

Kle4, so you fibbed and were then lurking, even calling Mundell a Tory is not a big enough insult, he really is one of the worst of the slimeballs.

Why don't you just stick your slimeball where the sun don't shine.

watch that blood pressure loser

dr_spyn

malcolmg said:

Scott_P said:

malcolmg said:

where did it mention any political party , it was just local people running a hypocrite out of town.

@WestDumfriesSNP organised this, look at FB post June 23rd arranging it, encouraging their members to "welcome" Mundell.

The puppet dictator deserves to be welcomed anywhere he spouts his lies, even if he does not have the guts to speak in public. Him running out the back door to avoid the public says it all.

Has someone hacked @malcolmg ? The barbs seem rather too moderate.

dr_spyn

malcolmg said:

Innocent_Abroad said:

Flightpathl said:

malcolmg said:

Morning , nice to see this donkey getting his just desserts. Just a pity the tar and feathers were missed out.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/watch-angry-protesters-chase-scotlands-6130021

What a toss pot you are.

A little later than usual, but at last we have the classy abuse this site is so well known (and loved) for...

Have to apologise I was busy looking for rc models of the Bismark.

This one looks good.

http://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/acatalog/graupner-bismark-camo.html

Flightpathl

malcolmg said:

kle4 said:

Happy Birthday Mr England.

Since the regularly scheduled scottish arguments are starting up, I think I'll make like someone confronted/chased by a crowd/mob of heroes/idiots and slink off.

cowardy custard Tory lives up to the standard

sod off yourself and take your kristallnacht tactics with you.

calum

The Daily Record, which is no friend of the SNP, reported on this event in a balanced fashion. I think any Tory MP opening a food bank is going to get a rough ride. Anyway if folks could take time to actually read the article before the howls below of "SNP Baaaad" below from the usual suspects. Even when in the safe confides of the food bank Mundell was not exactly covering himself with glory - by refusing to be pictured with donations ect - and refusing to answer press questions, thereby contradicting what he'd just said in his statement:

" Mundell also made a short statement, but refused to answer any questions from the press, and point-blank refused requests from photographers to step into the adjoining room where food parcels were being prepared to pose in front of some of the donations already made by generous members of the public. Speaking in front of a spread of sandwiches, biscuits, and quiche, which had been laid on for his arrival, Mundell said: “I believe it is very important to have full, open discussions about issues, and I don’t want to hide away from people’s concerns, and I don’t do that. "

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/watch-angry-protesters-chase-scotlands-6130021

malcolmg

dr_spyn said:

malcolmg said:

Innocent_Abroad said:

Flightpathl said:

malcolmg said:

Morning , nice to see this donkey getting his just desserts. Just a pity the tar and feathers were missed out.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/watch-angry-protesters-chase-scotlands-6130021

What a toss pot you are.

A little later than usual, but at last we have the classy abuse this site is so well known (and loved) for...

Have to apologise I was busy looking for rc models of the Bismark.

This one looks good.

http://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/acatalog/graupner-bismark-camo.html

Yes it looks superb, there are some incredible ones out there. I was just getting an inexpensive starter one for my grandson. If he takes real interest then I will go more upmarket.