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  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,690

    Everyone should have a few silent moments for poor old Ken Clarke. Losing your partner in life is a terrible thing to happen.

    Yep. Very sad. Really feel for him today. They were absolutely devoted.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,045
    edited July 2015

    I have just heard that Ken Clarke's wife Gillian has died.

    I met them a couple of times and although I may have disagreed with him politically they were always a lovely couple. Really feel for him right now.

    Very sad news indeed. They were married for over 50 years. As you say, some things are more important than politics.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,045
    edited July 2015
    And another wicket. Australia 25 35 on Betfair now!
    Edit: And another! 106/5 now :smiley:
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,137
    eek said:

    Sorry I wasn't clear. I don't run any of my contracts on per diem or fixed amounts for expenses. Only receiptable expenses reimbursed by the client. So a £100 rail ticket is charged to the client at £100 or a £ 10 meal is charged at £10. The problem is that I will now have to pay £40 and £4 tax respectively on those receipts.

    Would you be better off under IR35 and being taxed as an employee?

    From what I've read of the change it's designed to clamp down on expenses that an employee wouldn't be able to claim.
    I can't work as an employee because the nature of my business is such that it is all short term contracts of a few months at most and sometimes there are several contracts running side by side Besides most companies will not accept anyone who is not a limited company themselves as it protects them from any liability. All liability rests with my company.
    If that's the case I don't think you'll be affected anyway based on this interpretation of the changes:

    http://www.itcontracting.com/budget-2015-travel-and-subsistence-expenses-clampdown/
    That was how this was interpreted last year but the latest advice is that the remit has been extended to include PSCs - service companies like mine - which do not fall anywhere near the IR35 rules but which are to be targeted by these new rules.


    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/442693/Employment_Intermediaries_and_Tax_Relief_for_Travel_and_Subsistence_-_Consultation_Document.pdf

    Having several contracts side by side looks like a foolproof way not to be caught in this to me.
    no its not from page 22 of the document

    Work on more than One Engagement
    For those who work on more than one engagement through an employment
    intermediary and who are under supervision, direction or control at each of these
    engagements, travel and subsistence tax relief will not be available for travel between
    home and any of their engagements. Neither will travel between the workplaces of
    separate engagements be eligible for travel and subsistence relief. This approach is in
    line with that set out for employees with two employments

    So the meaning of "under supervision, direction or control" becomes the issue? Not clear to me what that really means - is it possible to go to work and not have some of this?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    Encouraging Test match I must say. Australia may well rally in the next matches, but they were seeming a bit arrogant coming in, forgetting that while they are a good team and might win this series, they are not a great team - the crucial difference being the latter dominate easily at home and away.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,973
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Sad to read of the death of Ken Clarke's wife.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,045
    edited July 2015

    eek said:

    Sorry I wasn't clear. I don't run any of my at £10. The problem is that I will now have to pay £40 and £4 tax respectively on those receipts.

    wouldn't be able to claim.
    If that's the case I don't think you'll be affected anyway based on this interpretation of the changes:

    http://www.itcontracting.com/budget-2015-travel-and-subsistence-expenses-clampdown/
    That was how this was interpreted last year but the latest advice is that the remit has been extended to include PSCs - service companies like mine - which do not fall anywhere near the IR35 rules but which are to be targeted by these new rules.


    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/442693/Employment_Intermediaries_and_Tax_Relief_for_Travel_and_Subsistence_-_Consultation_Document.pdf

    Having several contracts side by side looks like a foolproof way not to be caught in this to me.
    no its not from page 22 of the document

    Work on more than One Engagement
    For those who work on more than one engagement through an employment
    intermediary and who are under supervision, direction or control at each of these
    engagements, travel and subsistence tax relief will not be available for travel between
    home and any of their engagements. Neither will travel between the workplaces of
    separate engagements be eligible for travel and subsistence relief. This approach is in
    line with that set out for employees with two employments

    So the meaning of "under supervision, direction or control" becomes the issue? Not clear to me what that really means - is it possible to go to work and not have some of this?
    There's a good example of this in the consultation document. Someone not under supervision is for example an IT consultant brought in to manage a specific project or perform a specific business analysis for a company - as opposed to an IT consultant bought in to cover a member of an existing IT department who is temporarily absent on leave. The latter person is subject to day-to-day management.
    This same definition is also used in IR35 rules.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,161
    Serena Williams has her serve broken in very first game in Wimbledon final against young Spaniard Garbine Muguruza
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,137
    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    Sorry I wasn't clear. I don't run any of my at £10. The problem is that I will now have to pay £40 and £4 tax respectively on those receipts.

    wouldn't be able to claim.
    If that's the case I don't think you'll be affected anyway based on this interpretation of the changes:

    http://www.itcontracting.com/budget-2015-travel-and-subsistence-expenses-clampdown/
    That was how this was interpreted last year but the latest advice is that the remit has been extended to include PSCs - service companies like mine - which do not fall anywhere near the IR35 rules but which are to be targeted by these new rules.


    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/442693/Employment_Intermediaries_and_Tax_Relief_for_Travel_and_Subsistence_-_Consultation_Document.pdf

    Having several contracts side by side looks like a foolproof way not to be caught in this to me.
    no its not from page 22 of the document

    Work on more than One Engagement
    For those who work on more than one engagement through an employment
    intermediary and who are under supervision, direction or control at each of these
    engagements, travel and subsistence tax relief will not be available for travel between
    home and any of their engagements. Neither will travel between the workplaces of
    separate engagements be eligible for travel and subsistence relief. This approach is in
    line with that set out for employees with two employments

    So the meaning of "under supervision, direction or control" becomes the issue? Not clear to me what that really means - is it possible to go to work and not have some of this?
    There's a good example of this in the consultation document. Someone not under supervision is for example an IT consultant brought in to manage a specific project or perform a specific business analysis for a company - as opposed to an IT consultant bought in to cover a member of an existing IT department who is temporarily absent on leave. The latter person is subject to day-to-day management.
    This same definition is also used in IR35 rules.

    But surely everyone is subject to some form of "direction"? A project manager will report to a project board.
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    http://www.thelatestnews.com/u-k-loses-city-sized-area-green-space-six-years/

    Remarkable as it may seem, the UK has lost a large region of green space the size of a typical city within six years, and no one within government appeared to know, notice, or care, until the disappearance was tracked by satellite images and reported.

    The revelation has come about following a survey conducted by the University of Leicester. Here, researchers studying satellite photographs discovered that between 2006 and 2012, some 22,000 hectares (or 54,000 acres) of green space (parks, verges, fields and so on) disappeared. This size is equivalents to twice the area of the city of Liverpool.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,045
    edited July 2015

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    Sorry I wasn't clear. I don't run any of my at £10. The problem is that I will now have to pay £40 and £4 tax respectively on those receipts.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/442693/Employment_Intermediaries_and_Tax_Relief_for_Travel_and_Subsistence_-_Consultation_Document.pdf

    Having several contracts side by side looks like a foolproof way not to be caught in this to me.
    no its not from page 22 of the document

    Work on more than One Engagement
    For those who work on more than one engagement through an employment
    intermediary and who are under supervision, direction or control at each of these
    engagements, travel and subsistence tax relief will not be available for travel between
    home and any of their engagements. Neither will travel between the workplaces of
    separate engagements be eligible for travel and subsistence relief. This approach is in
    line with that set out for employees with two employments

    So the meaning of "under supervision, direction or control" becomes the issue? Not clear to me what that really means - is it possible to go to work and not have some of this?
    There's a good example of this in the consultation document. Someone not under supervision is for example an IT consultant brought in to manage a specific project or perform a specific business analysis for a company - as opposed to an IT consultant bought in to cover a member of an existing IT department who is temporarily absent on leave. The latter person is subject to day-to-day management.
    This same definition is also used in IR35 rules.
    But surely everyone is subject to some form of "direction"? A project manager will report to a project board.

    Yes, but the project manager is covering a temporary role within the business, rather than temporarily covering an existing business role - if that makes sense.
    For a recent example of mine, it had to be clear that my role was to work for 3 months with a helpdesk team to define and refine their processes and procedures, rather than being just another member of the team to help them clear a backlog of tickets.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,139
    JEO said:

    http://www.thelatestnews.com/u-k-loses-city-sized-area-green-space-six-years/

    Remarkable as it may seem, the UK has lost a large region of green space the size of a typical city within six years, and no one within government appeared to know, notice, or care, until the disappearance was tracked by satellite images and reported.

    The revelation has come about following a survey conducted by the University of Leicester. Here, researchers studying satellite photographs discovered that between 2006 and 2012, some 22,000 hectares (or 54,000 acres) of green space (parks, verges, fields and so on) disappeared. This size is equivalents to twice the area of the city of Liverpool.

    Given that, in that time, our population grew by 2-2.5 million, I'm actually surprised that that figure is so small.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Five Islamic extremists on the verge of carrying out another terrorist attack on holidaymakers in Tunisia were yesterday shot dead.

    The five men were killed by Tunisian special forces as thousands of Britons fled the North African country after a security alert.

    Holiday companies started flying home 3,000 people yesterday after the Foreign Office warned that another ISIS attack was 'highly likely'.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3157237/Second-terror-attack-British-tourists-Tunisia-foiled-Five-Islamic-extremists-shot-dead-thousands-holidaymakers-evacuated.html#ixzz3fac8o976
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,045
    6 down now. Game over surely?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417
    Whoever was thinking of buying a 5th day ticket for Cardiff:

    Don't.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    Sorry I wasn't clear. I don't run any of my at £10. The problem is that I will now have to pay £40 and £4 tax respectively on those receipts.

    wouldn't be able to claim.
    If that's the case I don't think you'll be affected anyway based on this interpretation of the changes:

    http://www.itcontracting.com/budget-2015-travel-and-subsistence-expenses-clampdown/
    That was how this was interpreted last year but the latest advice is that the remit has been extended to include PSCs - service companies like mine - which do not fall anywhere near the IR35 rules but which are to be targeted by these new rules.


    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/442693/Employment_Intermediaries_and_Tax_Relief_for_Travel_and_Subsistence_-_Consultation_Document.pdf

    Having several contracts side by side looks like a foolproof way not to be caught in this to me.
    no its not from page 22 of the document

    Work on more than One Engagement
    For those who work on more than one engagement through an employment
    intermediary and who are under supervision, direction or control at each of these
    engagements, travel and subsistence tax relief will not be available for travel between
    home and any of their engagements. Neither will travel between the workplaces of
    separate engagements be eligible for travel and subsistence relief. This approach is in
    line with that set out for employees with two employments

    So the meaning of "under supervision, direction or control" becomes the issue? Not clear to me what that really means - is it possible to go to work and not have some of this?
    There's a good example of this in the consultation document. Someone not under supervision is for example an IT consultant brought in to manage a specific project or perform a specific business analysis for a company - as opposed to an IT consultant bought in to cover a member of an existing IT department who is temporarily absent on leave. The latter person is subject to day-to-day management.
    This same definition is also used in IR35 rules.

    So, basically, employment agencies were abusing this.

    People like @Richard_Tyndall are ok (albeit probably going to have to do more paperwork) but temps won't be.
  • FlightpathlFlightpathl Posts: 1,243
    Plato said:

    Five Islamic extremists on the verge of carrying out another terrorist attack on holidaymakers in Tunisia were yesterday shot dead.

    The five men were killed by Tunisian special forces as thousands of Britons fled the North African country after a security alert.

    Holiday companies started flying home 3,000 people yesterday after the Foreign Office warned that another ISIS attack was 'highly likely'.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3157237/Second-terror-attack-British-tourists-Tunisia-foiled-Five-Islamic-extremists-shot-dead-thousands-holidaymakers-evacuated.html#ixzz3fac8o976
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
    I sometimes think its a pity you cannot shoot them dead twice.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    Odd article.

    Given that Osborne is on record saying that he was expecting a coalition, the limited moves on low pay can be seen in that context.

    It was not restraint, at best it was tactics.

    I'm a bit worried that thus surprise election result has gone to some Tory heads. Reminiscent of some Labour folk post 2005.

    I think you are wrong. Most Tories are probably very glad that after 5 yrs of hard slog and with more to do that the electorate was sensible enough to ;-
    a) make sure a terrible opposition was not allowed to win and
    b) that as a consequence of that the Tories get 5 more years.
    Undoubtedly there is lots of fun looking at the election for new Labour leader from the poor list of candidates, and much amusement at Osborne parking his tanks on Labour's lawn.

    That's where we are now and from now on its events dear boy events. Labour are at present in no position to win in 2020. They have a lot to do and economic credibility once lost is not regained overnight.
    Well David is talking about the 2030s. We have no idea what politics will look like 15-25 years from now. 10 years is an impossibly long time frame. Just reflect on the change 2005-2015 or 1987-1997.

    You are right about events. It is sobering to think that the single defining event of 13 new Labour years had yet to happen at this same stage in the second term. An event no government could control.
    Maybe. But the 2015 win does feel somewhat like 1983 - that had 14 more years of Tory rule ahead of it. Even if the "Falklands factor" this time around was offered up by Labour in the shape of Ed "Menendez" Miliband and Alex "Galtieri" Salmond....
    But the Tory margin in terms of % vote share - at 6.6% - was narrower than for any Tory victory since 1970.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,973
    edited July 2015
    Mr. 124, aye, lowest electoral victory margin since 2010. Unless you only count outright majorities. Then it was the lowest since 2005.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,161
    Serena breaks back, now 4-4 in first set
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited July 2015
    Labour Caerphilly/Islwyn twinned selection for 2016 Welsh Assembly:

    Rhiannon Passmore & Hefin David

    Now the one who got highest number of vote will choose the constituency he/she prefers.

    Passamore is a Cllr in Risca; David a Cllr in St Cattwg.


    So the logical solution would be Passamore in Islwyn and David in Caerphilly.

  • FlightpathlFlightpathl Posts: 1,243
    JEO said:

    http://www.thelatestnews.com/u-k-loses-city-sized-area-green-space-six-years/

    Remarkable as it may seem, the UK has lost a large region of green space the size of a typical city within six years, and no one within government appeared to know, notice, or care, until the disappearance was tracked by satellite images and reported.

    The revelation has come about following a survey conducted by the University of Leicester. Here, researchers studying satellite photographs discovered that between 2006 and 2012, some 22,000 hectares (or 54,000 acres) of green space (parks, verges, fields and so on) disappeared. This size is equivalents to twice the area of the city of Liverpool.

    Over 6 years - this is a relatively small area compared with the total area of the country. Why should anyone know the exact figure?
    The issue of course is that we should be prioritising brownfield sites for what ever sort of developments we need.
    A very rough and derelict area of probably strictly definable 'green' area in our village is being currently developed for housing. The village plan has some 100 houses allocated that will be built on a field somewhere. Is this terrible?
    The costs of development to society lies in all the services that new housing brings with it. You could build a big tower block on a brownfield site and all the satellites in the world would not highlight that.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,045

    Serena breaks back, now 4-4 in first set

    Mr Prasannan, what is this ladies' grunting competition all about - don't you know there's a Test match on? :wink:
  • FlightpathlFlightpathl Posts: 1,243

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Sad to read of the death of Ken Clarke's wife.

    Yes - I did not know. Very sad.
  • Ken Clarke 17 April 2015

    The Conservatives will not win this year's General Election because they have become 'too right-wing', former Chancellor Ken Clarke has said.

    The Tory MP bemoaned the Conservatives' recent electoral performances, complaining that they 'haven't been able to win an election for 23 years' as the party has 'become much too right-wing'.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,161
    Serena takes the first set 6-4, after a little wobble early in the set. Muguruza playing well, not overawed in any way.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,045
    Charles said:

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    no its not from page 22 of the document

    Work on more than One Engagement
    For those who work on more than one engagement through an employment
    intermediary and who are under supervision, direction or control at each of these
    engagements, travel and subsistence tax relief will not be available for travel between
    home and any of their engagements. Neither will travel between the workplaces of
    separate engagements be eligible for travel and subsistence relief. This approach is in
    line with that set out for employees with two employments

    So the meaning of "under supervision, direction or control" becomes the issue? Not clear to me what that really means - is it possible to go to work and not have some of this?
    There's a good example of this in the consultation document. Someone not under supervision is for example an IT consultant brought in to manage a specific project or perform a specific business analysis for a company - as opposed to an IT consultant bought in to cover a member of an existing IT department who is temporarily absent on leave. The latter person is subject to day-to-day management.
    This same definition is also used in IR35 rules.
    So, basically, employment agencies were abusing this.

    People like @Richard_Tyndall are ok (albeit probably going to have to do more paperwork) but temps won't be.
    Yes, from half an hour's research. It looks like agencies formed companies to help contractors get around IR35 rules, and this is a clampdown on that arrangement.

    More research and a meeting with the accountant required I think, as well as a submission to the govt explaining how contracting works in the real world!
  • justin124 said:

    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    Odd article.

    Given that Osborne is on record saying that he was expecting a coalition, the limited moves on low pay can be seen in that context.

    It was not restraint, at best it was tactics.

    I'm a bit worried that thus surprise election result has gone to some Tory heads. Reminiscent of some Labour folk post 2005.

    I think you are wrong. Most Tories are probably very glad that after 5 yrs of hard slog and with more to do that the electorate was sensible enough to ;-
    a) make sure a terrible opposition was not allowed to win and
    b) that as a consequence of that the Tories get 5 more years.
    Undoubtedly there is lots of fun looking at the election for new Labour leader from the poor list of candidates, and much amusement at Osborne parking his tanks on Labour's lawn.

    That's where we are now and from now on its events dear boy events. Labour are at present in no position to win in 2020. They have a lot to do and economic credibility once lost is not regained overnight.
    Well David is talking about the 2030s. We have no idea what politics will look like 15-25 years from now. 10 years is an impossibly long time frame. Just reflect on the change 2005-2015 or 1987-1997.

    You are right about events. It is sobering to think that the single defining event of 13 new Labour years had yet to happen at this same stage in the second term. An event no government could control.
    Maybe. But the 2015 win does feel somewhat like 1983 - that had 14 more years of Tory rule ahead of it. Even if the "Falklands factor" this time around was offered up by Labour in the shape of Ed "Menendez" Miliband and Alex "Galtieri" Salmond....
    But the Tory margin in terms of % vote share - at 6.6% - was narrower than for any Tory victory since 1970.
    Yes a terrible shock. Did you notice it was Labour's worse performance for many years?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,161

    justin124 said:

    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    Odd article.

    Given that Osborne is on record saying that he was expecting a coalition, the limited moves on low pay can be seen in that context.

    It was not restraint, at best it was tactics.

    I'm a bit worried that thus surprise election result has gone to some Tory heads. Reminiscent of some Labour folk post 2005.

    I think you are wrong. Most Tories are probably very glad that after 5 yrs of hard slog and with more to do that the electorate was sensible enough to ;-
    a) make sure a terrible opposition was not allowed to win and
    b) that as a consequence of that the Tories get 5 more years.
    Undoubtedly there is lots of fun looking at the election for new Labour leader from the poor list of candidates, and much amusement at Osborne parking his tanks on Labour's lawn.

    That's where we are now and from now on its events dear boy events. Labour are at present in no position to win in 2020. They have a lot to do and economic credibility once lost is not regained overnight.
    Well David is talking about the 2030s. We have no idea what politics will look like 15-25 years from now. 10 years is an impossibly long time frame. Just reflect on the change 2005-2015 or 1987-1997.

    You are right about events. It is sobering to think that the single defining event of 13 new Labour years had yet to happen at this same stage in the second term. An event no government could control.
    Maybe. But the 2015 win does feel somewhat like 1983 - that had 14 more years of Tory rule ahead of it. Even if the "Falklands factor" this time around was offered up by Labour in the shape of Ed "Menendez" Miliband and Alex "Galtieri" Salmond....
    But the Tory margin in terms of % vote share - at 6.6% - was narrower than for any Tory victory since 1970.
    Yes a terrible shock. Did you notice it was Labour's worse performance for many years?
    But... but... Labour's vote went up by 1.4% on 2010...
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,161
    Sandpit said:

    Serena breaks back, now 4-4 in first set

    Mr Prasannan, what is this ladies' grunting competition all about - don't you know there's a Test match on? :wink:
    Dr Prasannan! I didn't spend 10 years at Evil Medical School to be called "Mr" :)
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,946
    Sandpit said:

    Charles said:

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    no its not from page 22 of the document

    Work on more than One Engagement
    For those who work on more than one engagement through an employment
    intermediary and who are under supervision, direction or control at each of these
    engagements, travel and subsistence tax relief will not be available for travel between
    home and any of their engagements. Neither will travel between the workplaces of
    separate engagements be eligible for travel and subsistence relief. This approach is in
    line with that set out for employees with two employments

    So the meaning of "under supervision, direction or control" becomes the issue? Not clear to me what that really means - is it possible to go to work and not have some of this?
    There's a good example of this in the consultation document. Someone not under supervision is for example an IT consultant brought in to manage a specific project or perform a specific business analysis for a company - as opposed to an IT consultant bought in to cover a member of an existing IT department who is temporarily absent on leave. The latter person is subject to day-to-day management.
    This same definition is also used in IR35 rules.
    So, basically, employment agencies were abusing this.

    People like @Richard_Tyndall are ok (albeit probably going to have to do more paperwork) but temps won't be.
    Yes, from half an hour's research. It looks like agencies formed companies to help contractors get around IR35 rules, and this is a clampdown on that arrangement.

    More research and a meeting with the accountant required I think, as well as a submission to the govt explaining how contracting works in the real world!

    All the Beeboid freelancers will be shouting about this.

    Imagine actors and journos being taxed on all those London hotels...

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,161
    Maybe I spoke too soon - Muguruza serve broken early in second set. 3-1 to Serena.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    They have to start moving toward 5 set matches for women in Grand Slams. You shouldn't be able to nod off for half an hour and miss most of the final.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,045

    Sandpit said:

    Serena breaks back, now 4-4 in first set

    Mr Prasannan, what is this ladies' grunting competition all about - don't you know there's a Test match on? :wink:
    Dr Prasannan! I didn't spend 10 years at Evil Medical School to be called "Mr" :)
    Ah yes, Dr Prasannan. How could I forget that! :smiley:
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,045
    MattW said:

    Sandpit said:

    Charles said:

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    no its not from page 22 of the document

    Work on more than One Engagement
    For those who work on more than one engagement through an employment
    intermediary and who are under supervision, direction or control at each of these
    engagements, travel and subsistence tax relief will not be available for travel between
    home and any of their engagements. Neither will travel between the workplaces of
    separate engagements be eligible for travel and subsistence relief. This approach is in
    line with that set out for employees with two employments

    So the meaning of "under supervision, direction or control" becomes the issue? Not clear to me what that really means - is it possible to go to work and not have some of this?
    There's a good example of this in the consultation document. Someone not under supervision is for example an IT consultant brought in to manage a specific project or perform a specific business analysis for a company - as opposed to an IT consultant bought in to cover a member of an existing IT department who is temporarily absent on leave. The latter person is subject to day-to-day management.
    This same definition is also used in IR35 rules.
    So, basically, employment agencies were abusing this.

    People like @Richard_Tyndall are ok (albeit probably going to have to do more paperwork) but temps won't be.
    Yes, from half an hour's research. It looks like agencies formed companies to help contractors get around IR35 rules, and this is a clampdown on that arrangement.

    More research and a meeting with the accountant required I think, as well as a submission to the govt explaining how contracting works in the real world!
    All the Beeboid freelancers will be shouting about this.

    Imagine actors and journos being taxed on all those London hotels...


    Ooh, hadn't thought about them. Probably catch a few of the C-level 'contractors' in councils as well. Every cloud, and all that...
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,932

    Ken Clarke 17 April 2015

    The Conservatives will not win this year's General Election because they have become 'too right-wing', former Chancellor Ken Clarke has said.

    The Tory MP bemoaned the Conservatives' recent electoral performances, complaining that they 'haven't been able to win an election for 23 years' as the party has 'become much too right-wing'.

    What is the point of this post. We all know the election results and Ken Clarke is not the only person who was wrong about it.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,973
    Mr. kle4, always baffled me why that hasn't been the case for ages.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited July 2015
    Crispin Blunt a few hours ago:

    "Tunisia: Tory MP and tourists question UK travel warning
    Crispin Blunt says he would still travel to country, while British holidaymakers say they feel safe with extra security after shootings
    The chairman of the foreign affairs select committee has questioned official advice telling British tourists to leave Tunisia and said he would still go on holiday to the country."


    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/11/tunisia-tory-mp-and-tourists-question-uk-travel-warning

    Latest news:

    "Second Tunisia terror attack foiled: Five ISIS extremists are shot dead in Islamic stronghold as thousands of British tourists are evacuated"

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/tunisia-terrorism-five-suspected-extremists-shot-dead-amid-fears-of-another-terror-attack-10382508.html
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,946
    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:



    All the Beeboid freelancers will be shouting about this.

    Imagine actors and journos being taxed on all those London hotels...

    Ooh, hadn't thought about them. Probably catch a few of the C-level 'contractors' in councils as well. Every cloud, and all that...
    Never mind the freelance staff on all the newspapers, and everyone on contracts for councils as a way of saving cash, and people doing maternity cover out of area.

    What about eg cheap interns in Parliament?

    I think this may get modified to a degree.


  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,653
    edited July 2015
    Anecdotes work both ways, and it is not just the bottom five or ten per cent or just benefits recipients who feel like they lose out, though it may seem that way from certain communities, which are favourable to the Conservatives.

    They won thirty seven per cent support and a ten-seat majority even when the threat of a Scottish say in government was agreed retrospectively by all to be an incredibly powerful force in England. Admittedly, many of the sixty-three per cent are irrelevant to this particular question of public support because they vote for Ukip in Labour safe seats. Still, even they didn't see fit to endow Cameron and chose in many ways a much more pro-traditional economics alternative to either Conservatives or Labour, i.e. protect benefits and the NHS - as long as you're English - what the Europeans call "welfare chauvinism" when the Front National does it.

    The UK could be one election away from a Labour minority with the support of every other HoC party, and all the reversal of direction of the centre ground so embodied. Really voters move the centre ground by choosing governments. They go right and they go left and democratic governments tend towards their own reversals as the embodied contradictions build up.

    Expectations matter too. There is no doubt that the ten-seat majority gives a much more powerful mandate than it would seem to historically merit, because it was so unexpected and because it succeeded a coalition. So that has its own impact on momentum which the Conservatives ought to use as much as they can in the early years of this government (pre-Europe).
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,946
    edited July 2015
    calum said:

    Cyber abuse of Andy Murray and his mum continuing, I'm sure like most public figures they'll just ignore it instead of whinging about it - Daily Mail headline tomorrow:

    Option A - Vile Cyberunionist abuse of Andy and Judy Murray.
    Option B - Andy Murray loses and is subject to fair criticism from Cyberunionists.
    Option C - Vile Cybernats pretend to be Cyberunionists and abuse the Murray's.

    https://twitter.com/Munchbunch87/status/619825011793240064

    Most of them don't seem to be Unionists, so I'm not sure how that got into it!

    They seem to be more of the Dear God Make Scotland Independent Already the types.



  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    New thread.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    edited July 2015
    EPG said:

    The UK could be one election away from a Labour minority with the support of every other HoC party

    Certainly it feels significant that the Tories, in any sort of hung parliament situation even if they are largest party, will really struggle to find allies. 2020 at least will be one they have to win outright again I suspect, to have any chance. Relying on the NI unionists is not, well, reliable, should it come down to that.

    Mr. kle4, always baffled me why that hasn't been the case for ages.

    Should have been done when equal prize money was awarded - no excuse for not harmonising the number of sets at that time.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,161
    edited July 2015
    Muguruza was 5-1 down in the second set, now it's 5-4!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,161
    Too late for Muguruza, however, Serena wins the Championship 6-4, 6-4
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    HYUFD said:


    Financier said:

    FPTs

    Antifrank's analysis of the new Labour MPs is fascinating - I only found one who has experience of wealth creation.

    So why are Labour still dipping into the same limited pool of potential talent? Is it because others have fallen out of love with Labour or is Labour still thinking in terms of the last century.

    The ability to create wealth will be even more vital in this century - perhaps Labour still has not realised that to spend wealth, you have first to create it. Is it still planting orchards of magic money trees?

    Re: Laour leadership: If Liz K fails, will she link with fellow thinkers like Frank Field and Kate Hooey to form a critical thorn in the opposition's side?

    Kate Hoey nominated Andy Burnham I believe, Frank Field has not declared as yet
    Frank Field has nominated Jeremy Corbyn! Not sure why though.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,003
    justin124 said:

    HYUFD said:


    Financier said:

    FPTs

    Antifrank's analysis of the new Labour MPs is fascinating - I only found one who has experience of wealth creation.

    So why are Labour still dipping into the same limited pool of potential talent? Is it because others have fallen out of love with Labour or is Labour still thinking in terms of the last century.

    The ability to create wealth will be even more vital in this century - perhaps Labour still has not realised that to spend wealth, you have first to create it. Is it still planting orchards of magic money trees?

    Re: Laour leadership: If Liz K fails, will she link with fellow thinkers like Frank Field and Kate Hooey to form a critical thorn in the opposition's side?

    Kate Hoey nominated Andy Burnham I believe, Frank Field has not declared as yet
    Frank Field has nominated Jeremy Corbyn! Not sure why though.
    Yes you are right, though only to give a real contest, he does not actually support him. However Corbyn's momentum a but more than he probably intended
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