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  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    A direct question to Kendall on how she would specifically reform the benefits system, no answer.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Andy has such a lovely voice.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Corbyn doesn't take an applause from the audience on his benefits answer, first time tonight.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Is Burnham actually taking this seriously? He seems to be face-pulling, laughing, clowning about quite a bit.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Burnham on the benefits question opens with:
    "Here's a politician's answer"
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Liz Kendall waffling a bit.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Am interested to hear the opinion of Tories on here. Is Liz Kendall really very impressive? I can't work out if I'm just biased, but I just can't see her connecting with people.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    On the benefits question all candidates managed to dissatisfy the audience.
    And now a resignation question.
    Kendall says YES she will resign if she doesn't do a good job.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    There's something quite confrontational about Yvette - it's like she's trying to put down the questioner by turning their genuine concerns into something extreme and unreasonable sounding. She did it with the guy about immigration "So you want to stop all immigration?" and now with the lady who doesn't get benefits.

    It may be a way to think you've won an argument, it doesn't win you any friends.
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    Danny565 said:

    Am interested to hear the opinion of Tories on here. Is Liz Kendall really very impressive? I can't work out if I'm just biased, but I just can't see her connecting with people.

    I thought she was very good in that famous Andrew Neil interview, but have been unimpressed since. Tonight she's seemed very aggressive and hectoring.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Corbyn supports a leadership election every year or two.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Most disappointed in her. She's saying some sensible stuff - but it's very waffly and doesn't seem thought out. I don't get the impression she's got three things that matter to her.
    Danny565 said:

    Am interested to hear the opinion of Tories on here. Is Liz Kendall really very impressive? I can't work out if I'm just biased, but I just can't see her connecting with people.

  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Corbyn for me won it tonight from a low standard of debate.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,307
    Yvette Cooper "had to claim benefits to pay the rent" when struck by chronic fatigue syndrome (ME) in the early 90s.

    And what about the expense claims when MP?
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited June 2015
    Burhman tries to copy Kendall on that question but he fudges it badly.
    Cooper does not answer at all.
  • LadyBucketLadyBucket Posts: 590
    This Labour Leadership Debate is DIRE, DIRE AND MORE DIRE.

    Did the conservatives really win this seat, as there doesn't seem to be any in the audience?

    If the BBC have fixed this audience again, then they should get an absolute kicking.

  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,805
    Liz and Yvette seem to be putting on a persona.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited June 2015
    O/T:

    Having won the cycling race in Aldeburgh, Lizzie Armitstead crashes into the race director while celebrating, causing a mass pileup:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/11681223/Lizzie-Armitstead-suffers-serious-crash-after-winning-first-leg-of-Womens-Tour.html
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,839
    edited June 2015
    Liz gets the zinger of the night

    Andy Burnham: The party comes first

    Liz Kendall: No, the country comes first
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,101
    Yvette Cooper suffers a bit from the Gordon Brown rictus facial expressions. She seems to be trying to force a jovial look.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,805

    Yvette gets the zinger of the night

    Andy Burnham: The party comes first

    Yvette Cooper: No, the country comes first

    I thought that was Liz?
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    First impression of the first Labour debate.
    Corbyn on top, Kendall bottom, the rest a mixed result.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    I've gone off Liz. - She appears to have reverted back to generic MP waffle mode.
  • SaltireSaltire Posts: 525

    This Labour Leadership Debate is DIRE, DIRE AND MORE DIRE.

    Did the conservatives really win this seat, as there doesn't seem to be any in the audience?

    If the BBC have fixed this audience again, then they should get an absolute kicking.

    I would think that the audience is made up of Labour party members since they are the only ones who can vote in this election.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Are there other tv debates?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,101
    One thing I still like about Liz is the way she refers back to the origins of the Labour movement. She has a lot of the Protestant work ethic about her.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,839
    edited June 2015

    Yvette gets the zinger of the night

    Andy Burnham: The party comes first

    Yvette Cooper: No, the country comes first

    I thought that was Liz?
    It was. corrected now.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I was surprised to see Yvette make a comment about blinking shoes when asked about Sturgeon. It makes her sound so empty/silly/fake.

    Imagine a bloke saying that FFS.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,805
    Dan Hodges appears to be saying that the hustings was a disaster for Labour!
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,307
    Hodges Labour hasn't learnt anything.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    I've gone off Liz. - She appears to have reverted back to generic MP waffle mode.

    Well she was destined to come last in the leadership election anyway.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,307
    Hodges doesn't think that Labour will be doing enough to reach out to the rest of the country.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Plato said:

    Are there other tv debates?

    There is one on sunday politics in mid july.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,307
    edited June 2015
    Paul Waugh ‏@paulwaugh 42s42 seconds ago
    Anyone who wants extra helpings of #labourdebate can come to Warrington where I'm chairing the *final* hustings.
    http://www.labour.org.uk/w/hustings-public?event=Warrington

    @Plato - just up on Twitter.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,805
    dr_spyn said:

    Paul Waugh ‏@paulwaugh 42s42 seconds ago
    Anyone who wants extra helpings of #labourdebate can come to Warrington where I'm chairing the *final* hustings.
    http://www.labour.org.uk/w/hustings-public?event=Warrington

    @Plato - just up on Twitter.

    A home fixture for Burnham!
  • LadyBucketLadyBucket Posts: 590
    Saltire said:

    This Labour Leadership Debate is DIRE, DIRE AND MORE DIRE.

    Did the conservatives really win this seat, as there doesn't seem to be any in the audience?

    If the BBC have fixed this audience again, then they should get an absolute kicking.

    I would think that the audience is made up of Labour party members since they are the only ones who can vote in this election.
    But if any of these want to be PM then they have to win back tory voters, which is why I questioned the lack of them in the audience. It's just Labour talking to themselves again.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    Well I guess that's an hour of my life not coming back. None of them looked remotely Prime Minister material.

    Back to the cricket. England looking good for the chase.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    What planet is Charlie Falconer on?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,475

    Dan Hodges appears to be saying that the hustings was a disaster for Labour!

    Dan Hodges was pretty much on the money about Labour between 2010 and 2015 (*), and he got pilloried for it. Perhaps it is time people started listening to him a little more carefully.

    (*) And, even more unusually, he seems to have been right for the right reasons.
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    I want to watch the labour hustings on catch-up, but can't find it on BBC iPlayer ?? Any help?
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,307
    edited June 2015
    Details of more Labour hustings for those who want to go.

    http://www.labour.org.uk/blog/entry/your-local-leadership-husting

    Looks as if they have forgotten The West of England.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,805
    Nobody highlighting HIPS as one of Yvette's successes
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Saltire said:

    This Labour Leadership Debate is DIRE, DIRE AND MORE DIRE.

    Did the conservatives really win this seat, as there doesn't seem to be any in the audience?

    If the BBC have fixed this audience again, then they should get an absolute kicking.

    I would think that the audience is made up of Labour party members since they are the only ones who can vote in this election.
    But if any of these want to be PM then they have to win back tory voters, which is why I questioned the lack of them in the audience. It's just Labour talking to themselves again.
    There were questions from a fireman who voted UKIP, and a swing voter who voted Tory, so this was not a purely Labour audience.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,839
    Freggles said:

    I want to watch the labour hustings on catch-up, but can't find it on BBC iPlayer ?? Any help?

    It'll be up in a few hours time
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    BBC News live and rewind it
    Freggles said:

    I want to watch the labour hustings on catch-up, but can't find it on BBC iPlayer ?? Any help?

  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Plato said:

    What planet is Charlie Falconer on?

    Planet Scotland perhaps.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    O/T:

    England have scored half the highest score ever in a ODI in 27 overs.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @OwenJones84: Jeremy Corbyn smashed this debate. Hands down. Spoke from the heart, convincingly. And Tory-held Nuneaton applauded him #labourdebate

    @NCPoliticsUK: Jeremy Corbyn shortening to 12/1 with @LadPolitics following the #labourdebate
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited June 2015
    I missed this
    Ms Kendall, speaking during a live TV debate on BBC Two tonight, said voters did not trust Labour with the economy and people's taxes and were angry about illegal migrants 'climbing into lorries in Calais'.

    She also vowed to give the party the chance to sack her if she was on course to lose the next election in 2020. Ms Kendall's leadership rival Andy Burnham - the early bookies favourite to succeed Ed Miliband - also pledged to make it easier to remove the Labour leader if he is elected.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3128625/Kendall-urges-Labour-cast-baggage-past-promise-slash-deficit-cut-immigration-leadership-rivals-face-live-TV-debate.html#ixzz3dLjqpKaq
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    Morgan & Root really going for it.
    Eng 238/2 30ovs chasing only 350.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    Scott_P said:

    @OwenJones84: Jeremy Corbyn smashed this debate. Hands down. Spoke from the heart, convincingly. And Tory-held Nuneaton applauded him #labourdebate

    @NCPoliticsUK: Jeremy Corbyn shortening to 12/1 with @LadPolitics following the #labourdebate

    I think there are going to be polls wih Corbyn ahead before he loses the actual one...
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Is tim moonlighting at the Spectator?
    Mr Osborne as a superhero equipped with a magical toolbox, a divinity of limitless powers. Is there anything the great-earth mover cannot do?

    He lays roads. He decrees bridges. He drives gleaming tunnels through the packed clay-beds of ancient cities. He sends new trains hurtling towards vibrant townships at record speeds. The titan of Tatton has only to raise his little finger and – behold! – brand new factories spring up from brownfield wastelands. State-of the-art hospitals soar into the clouds. Industrial parks begin to throb and heave with energy.
    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/06/pmqs-sketch-he-lays-roads-he-decrees-bridges-is-there-anything-george-osborne-cant-do/
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    I can't believe it.

    England have now only to walk home to 350!!
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,307
    Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB 2m2 minutes ago
    In 2010 just 8.5% of LAB members gave Andy Burnham their first choice - tonight we found out why. He's a loser.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,101


    I think there are going to be polls wih Corbyn ahead before he loses the actual one...

    That will make it harder to disallow any actual votes from Tories for Corbyn.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited June 2015

    Scott_P said:

    @OwenJones84: Jeremy Corbyn smashed this debate. Hands down. Spoke from the heart, convincingly. And Tory-held Nuneaton applauded him #labourdebate

    @NCPoliticsUK: Jeremy Corbyn shortening to 12/1 with @LadPolitics following the #labourdebate

    I think there are going to be polls wih Corbyn ahead before he loses the actual one...
    Corbyn was articulate but unelectable. Labour sub 150 seats with him in charge, but a good chance of an LD revival with him in charge of Labour.

    Kendall needs to be a bit more specific on what she means when she talks of policies that arise from Labour values. Shooting sacred cows needs a certain courage but is not likely to win friends.

    Cooper was as flat as a pancake and in deficit denial.

    Burnham a bit of a curates egg, but the only believable PM. Rightly the favourite.


  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    I can't believe it.

    England have now only to walk home to 350!!

    Never underestimate England's capacity to collapse in the most unlikely circumstances.
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,705
    dr_spyn said:

    Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB 2m2 minutes ago
    In 2010 just 8.5% of LAB members gave Andy Burnham their first choice - tonight we found out why. He's a loser.

    Harsh from ogh.

    May be true, as I didn't view the event I can't judge.

    From comments not a wide choice of viable options .
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited June 2015
    MTimT said:
    Since voter participation in america is so low I suspect that a Trump and Oprah ticket would win based only on the numbers of fans who watch their shows.

    Celebrity Media dominant political systems have consequences.

    Britain doesn't have celebrities and does not have a presidential system, if it was Ben Elton would have been El Presidente for life of the UK.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,839
    dr_spyn said:

    Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB 2m2 minutes ago
    In 2010 just 8.5% of LAB members gave Andy Burnham their first choice - tonight we found out why. He's a loser.

    I hate it when Mike sits on the fence
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    philiph said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB 2m2 minutes ago
    In 2010 just 8.5% of LAB members gave Andy Burnham their first choice - tonight we found out why. He's a loser.

    Harsh from ogh.

    May be true, as I didn't view the event I can't judge.

    From comments not a wide choice of viable options .
    I only saw 10 mins but I saw no reason why he was the clear favourite.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    dr_spyn said:

    Burnham's video suicide note.

    ToriesForBurnham approve this message...
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,365
    England are 1-50 to chase this down now.

    Impressive stuff.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited June 2015
    O/T:

    Early 80s pop song Hand Held in Black and White by Dollar keeps being played at the cricket for some reason...
  • Seriously, guys. Corbyn cannot become Labour leader. Think of the country. We need a sensible and credible Opposition. You'd have to be as tribal a Tory as a football fan to seriously want this to happen.

    Or a Labour voter who puts purity before votes. Also known as a plonker.
  • Pulpstar said:

    England are 1-50 to chase this down now.

    Impressive stuff.

    Bloody amazing.


    Sachin Nakrani ‏@SachinNakrani 6m6 minutes ago
    Transformation of England's ODI team really is remarkable. Equivalent of Coldplay deciding: "Sod it, let's be like Motorhead for a bit".
    David Roe
    10 mins
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,365
    AndyJS said:

    I can't believe it.

    England have now only to walk home to 350!!

    Never underestimate England's capacity to collapse in the most unlikely circumstances.
    NZ are 120-1 to win tho.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264


    I think there are going to be polls wih Corbyn ahead before he loses the actual one...

    That will make it harder to disallow any actual votes from Tories for Corbyn.
    Imagine the sh*tstorm if Corbyn loses because of disallowed votes... Enough to split a party?
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited June 2015
    I thought Burnham came across quite well, but not sure if his passion and down-to-earth-ness might be perceived as being too lightweight to the general public.

    I really want some detailed focus groups to be carried out on swing voters on whether Yvette or Andy comes across better to them, because although I have a slight personal preference for Andy, I mainly want the one of them who has the best chance of winning. (Won't be voting for Liz even if by some freak of nature she comes across best to swing voters.)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,365
    I think Corbyn has some interesting ideas, but I'm not sure it'd be THAT healthy for democracy or more importantly the 2020 GE betting markets.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,839

    Pulpstar said:

    England are 1-50 to chase this down now.

    Impressive stuff.

    Bloody amazing.


    Sachin Nakrani ‏@SachinNakrani 6m6 minutes ago
    Transformation of England's ODI team really is remarkable. Equivalent of Coldplay deciding: "Sod it, let's be like Motorhead for a bit".
    David Roe
    10 mins
    The world cup was only four ODIs ago.

    *Sob*
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,475
    Off-topic:

    Some minor changes to the HS2 phase 1 scheme, plus news that it is on track for construction to start in 2017. Parliamentary business ahead ...
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,905
    Andrew Roberts singing Napoleon's praises on BBC2! Caesar already mentioned :)
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @YanniKouts: Greek negotiator Tsakalotos confirms that #Greece does not have the money to repay the #IMF June 30 http://t.co/4d90d0UUGk /via @Reuters
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    England 1 Columbia nil.

    Columbia goalie nutmeged. Its not the paciest game.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,839
    Watch England collapse like the French Army in 1940 now
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,905

    Off-topic:

    Some minor changes to the HS2 phase 1 scheme, plus news that it is on track for construction to start in 2017. Parliamentary business ahead ...

    Forgot to mention - on Monday went from London to Birmingham via the GWR line branching off at Swindon through Kemble and Stroud, then via Gloucester and Cheltenham
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Bye bye Burnham

    @montie: If Andy Burnham becomes Labour leader this will be hung around his neck by the Tory machine https://t.co/D8zRaamejG
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,905

    Watch England collapse like the Pakistani Army in 1971 now

    :lol:

  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    Someone recently posted the video of the news clip of Cameron's 2005 speech.

    The reporter said they were looking for someone with 'star' quality ... and that Cameron was that (regardless of the content of the speech).

    Are any of the Labour leadership contenders star quality. Or even close?

  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited June 2015
    Scott_P said:

    Bye bye Burnham

    @montie: If Andy Burnham becomes Labour leader this will be hung around his neck by the Tory machine https://t.co/D8zRaamejG

    Why would the public care about that?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,839

    Someone recently posted the video of the news clip of Cameron's 2005 speech.

    The reporter said they were looking for someone with 'star' quality ... and that Cameron was that (regardless of the content of the speech).

    Are any of the Labour leadership contenders star quality. Or even close?

    Jeremy Corbyn had star quality.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,905

    Someone recently posted the video of the news clip of Cameron's 2005 speech.

    The reporter said they were looking for someone with 'star' quality ... and that Cameron was that (regardless of the content of the speech).

    Are any of the Labour leadership contenders star quality. Or even close?

    Jeremy Corbyn had star quality.
    JICIPM?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    Someone recently posted the video of the news clip of Cameron's 2005 speech.

    The reporter said they were looking for someone with 'star' quality ... and that Cameron was that (regardless of the content of the speech).

    Are any of the Labour leadership contenders star quality. Or even close?

    Well, Jeremy Corbyn looks like Jesus.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,269
    This is a truly awesome performance from England. Morgan is just brilliant when playing like that.
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245

    Seriously, guys. Corbyn cannot become Labour leader. Think of the country. We need a sensible and credible Opposition.


    I'd normally heartily agree with you, but can't get over the shits and giggles a Corbyn led labour party would provide.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    That was horrifically poor. You can see why Burnham came fourth in 2010.

    Corbyn won it for me, at least he seemed to be genuine.
  • MrsBMrsB Posts: 574
    never mind ethnicity- what if Labour end up with a male leader and a male deputy?
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Paul Richards ‏@Labourpaul 13m13 minutes ago
    Eastbourne CLP has done a STV ballot. Burnham beats Cooper by 1 in 3rd round. For deputy, Watson wins in third round.


    Not sure that Eastbourne with it's (presumably) minuscule amount of Labour members will be too representative, mind!
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,475

    Off-topic:

    Some minor changes to the HS2 phase 1 scheme, plus news that it is on track for construction to start in 2017. Parliamentary business ahead ...

    Forgot to mention - on Monday went from London to Birmingham via the GWR line branching off at Swindon through Kemble and Stroud, then via Gloucester and Cheltenham
    Quite a roundabout route. I suppose that's one way of getting extra capacity on the WCML! :)
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    AndyJS said:

    Someone recently posted the video of the news clip of Cameron's 2005 speech.

    The reporter said they were looking for someone with 'star' quality ... and that Cameron was that (regardless of the content of the speech).

    Are any of the Labour leadership contenders star quality. Or even close?

    Well, Jeremy Corbyn looks like Jesus.
    Do you mean that he will be crucified?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,905
    edited June 2015

    Off-topic:

    Some minor changes to the HS2 phase 1 scheme, plus news that it is on track for construction to start in 2017. Parliamentary business ahead ...

    Forgot to mention - on Monday went from London to Birmingham via the GWR line branching off at Swindon through Kemble and Stroud, then via Gloucester and Cheltenham
    Quite a roundabout route. I suppose that's one way of getting extra capacity on the WCML! :)
    I had wanted to do the line from Oxford through Evesham to Worcester, but missed the relevant train at Paddington by a few minutes! Going via Cheltenham was my back-up plan! Still, yet another line marked as "done" on my Baker Atlas :)
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,101
    I just caught Cooper's answer to the Sturgeon question. The comment about smashing the final glass ceiling by electing a Labour woman Prime Minister is distinctly odd after we had a woman Prime Minister for 11 years. Is she saying that the Labour party is inherently more discriminatory than the Tories so it's more of a glass ceiling to rise to the top as a woman in Labour?
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    MrsB said:

    never mind ethnicity- what if Labour end up with a male leader and a male deputy?

    They'll create a Woman & Ethnic Minority Liberation Spokesperson... and with how they're going at the moment they'll probably give it to Diane Abbott.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    So if Corbyn gets to be Labour leader will that be:

    a) More funny,

    b) Less funny,

    than the #edstone?

  • MrsBMrsB Posts: 574
    also, those lamenting the poor quality of the Labour leadership contenders, it's a shame none of the Lib Dem leadership hustings are going to be televised. Last Friday's hustings in Southampton was packed (overflowed into another room - over 200 people) and electrifying. Both Lamb and Farron were streets ahead of any of the Labourites. I know I am a Lib Dem, but even making allowance for any bias, genuinely much higher calibre candidates and much less politician speak.
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