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SystemSystem Posts: 12,377
edited June 2015 in General

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I wonder if the biggest effect of this will be a boost for Sadiq Khan, as all the main leader/deputy leader contenders being white, as the following twitter exchange featuring the New Statesman’s Stephen Bush shows.

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  • DisraeliDisraeli Posts: 1,106
    FPT
    (Start-rant)
    I hate Gatwick. It is a blemish on the gorgeous county of Sussex.

    I've never had a good experience of using Gatwick airport (or is it "Gatport Airwick").
    - The amount of walking from main departure area to the departure gates is ridiculous,
    - several times the security team have taken the pee out of myself or Mrs D. (and never give any advice in response to my polite questions on how I can help them in the future)
    - security staff once threw my camera onto the screening conveyer belt from where it bounced off and broke, and I was thus left without a camera for my holiday

    And this is apart from the fact that it is awful to get to from North London, and the airport facilities are rubbish compared to Heathrow.
    (End-rant)
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,293
    edited June 2015
    Airports in the British Isles seeing more than a million passengers in 2014 (data per Wikipedia articles on each airport):
    Airport		code	Passengers (2014)

    Heathrow LHR 73.4 million
    Gatwick LGW 38.1 million
    Manchester MAN 22.0 million
    Dublin DUB 21.7 million
    Stansted STN 19.9 million
    Luton LTN 10.5 million
    Edinburgh EDI 10.2 million
    Birmingham BHX 9.7 million
    Glasgow GLA 7.7 million
    Bristol BRS 6.3 million
    Newcastle NCL 4.5 million
    East Midlands EMA 4.5 million
    Belfast Int'n'l BFS 4.0 million
    Liverpool LPL 4.0 million
    Aberdeen ABZ 3.7 million
    London City LCY 3.6 million
    Leeds-Bradford LBA 3.3 million
    Belfast City BHD 2.6 million
    Cork ORK 2.1 million
    Southampton SOU 1.8 million
    Shannon SNN 1.6 million
    Jersey JER 1.5 million
    Southend SEN 1.1 million
    Cardiff CWL 1.0 million
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    FPT
    JEO said:

    Anorak said:

    JEO said:

    Anorak said:

    Anorak said:

    JEO said:

    Sunil_Prassanan,

    It seems very strange how governments of both right and left have been focused on creating choice and competition in markets and government services, but then think it's best if we create one monopolistic airport.

    Whether you look at competition, or nearby air pollution, or how many are affected by noise pollution, or cost to the taxpayer, or diversifying risk in the case of bad weather, Gatwick is the clear choice. Why does anyone support Heathrow as being the place to expand?

    Better able to retain it's pre-eminent role as a gateway between Europe and North America. Almost everyone agrees than a greater economic benefit accrues from LHR getting R3 than LGW getting R2.
    There's no space for LHR R3 without flattening several villages.
    So? The needs of the many... :)

    [that's not entirely flippant, a few hundred people should not hold back the growth of a nation, as LIAMT has also said]
    And a million people will be affected by air pollution.
    Most of them by an almost immeasurable (and certainly imperceptible) degree. BTW I'm no champion of LHR expantion - indeed I'd be affected by increased noise from the third runway. But I do believe it will offer the best economic benefit to the UK as a whole.

    Responding to your other comment, there are no plans to fund any of this, including any rehousing/compensation payments, by the taxpayer.
    There were no plans for fiscal transfers in the Eurozone either, and it was strenuously denied at the time that it would ever happen. According to an independent analysis by KPMG, Heathrow will require £12 billion of taxpayer funds.

    I also disagree that most of the 1,000,000 will be affected by an imperceptibly small amount. I have friends in Richmond who complain about the frequent noise - certainly they'd be affected by a 30%-50% increase in capacity - and that's more than a borough away.
    Para 1: Eurosceptic paranoia

    Para 2: You said 'air quality' earlier, so now you're moving the goal posts. I'll respond anyway: The per-runway movements will be broadly where they are now. If you're in Richmond, you're affected by landings on one runway, but not really bothered by landings on the other (or you're less, but equally effected by landings on both). Landings on the third runway will hardly be audible at all. Given improvements in tech, they are likely to suffer less in the future than they do now. They'd have a point if they talked about traffic congestion though...
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited June 2015

    Airports in the British Isles seeing more than a million passengers in 2014 (data per Wikipedia articles on each airport):
    *snip*

    For next time :wink:
    http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?catid=80&pagetype=88&pageid=3&sglid=3
    http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/80/airport_data/2014Annual/Table_02_2_Summary_Of_Activity_at_UK_Airports_2014.pdf
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,293
    Anorak said:

    Airports in the British Isles seeing more than a million passengers in 2014 (data per Wikipedia articles on each airport):
    *snip*

    For next time :wink:
    http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?catid=80&pagetype=88&pageid=3&sglid=3
    http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/80/airport_data/2014Annual/Table_02_2_Summary_Of_Activity_at_UK_Airports_2014.pdf
    Yes, OK.

    But it's not in descending order of passengers like my pretty yellow table!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,312
    Have I logged onto airportchat.com?
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    edited June 2015
    Anorak,

    1. It's not eurosceptic paranoia. Eurozone taxpayers in Germany, Finland etc have already given a loan to Greece that those governments knew they would never get fully back, and had a good chance of barely getting any back. That is a fiscal transfer from one state to another.

    Besides, the billions of subsidies estimated by KPMG are nothing to do with euroscepticism.

    2. I'm sorry. I mentioned both air quality and noise quality earlier, and did not read the bit you quoted back at me properly. In terms of noise quality, I do not believe that landings on a third runway will hardly be audible at all. What technology exists that makes planes virtually silent?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,293

    Have I logged onto airportchat.com?

    Beats AV dontcha know :lol:
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,194
    edited June 2015

    Have I logged onto airportchat.com?

    Beats AV dontcha know :lol:
    Heresy.

    Watching Osborne at PMQs, granted it was a more sedate affair than normal, but on a superficial level his voice doe not have as much of the impression of instinctive sneering that his face sometimes has.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    How ridiculous that Labour will fail you in the verification process if they find evidence that you've made "public criticisms of Labour". I thought the whole point of this new "registered supporter" status was precisely to reach out to people who aren't diehard supporters.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,919
    JEO said:

    Anorak,

    1. It's not eurosceptic paranoia. Eurozone taxpayers in Germany, Finland etc have already given a loan to Greece that those governments knew they would never get fully back, and had a good chance of barely getting any back. That is a fiscal transfer from one state to another.

    Besides, the billions of subsidies estimated by KPMG are nothing to do with euroscepticism.

    2. I'm sorry. I mentioned both air quality and noise quality earlier, and did not read the bit you quoted back at me properly. In terms of noise quality, I do not believe that landings on a third runway will hardly be audible at all. What technology exists that makes planes virtually silent?

    1. One of the bizarre things about the Eurozone is that the ECB has managed to accumulate ¢400bn in capital since the creation of the Euro. That does mean that when Greek defaults then the impact on individual countries finances will be substantially less than people believe. But it also raises the question of why ECB profits are not remitted back to Eurozone members in the same way that Bank of England profits are.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    The Deputy Leadership is an essentially meaningless position which means that people can and will vote frivolously. So they won't select the person who in isolation would make the best candidate but the one that balances up their chosen leader.

    If Andy Burnham looks like winning, then I expect that the female candidates will benefit from the desire to have a balanced ticket.

    If Liz Kendall looks like winning, then I expect Labour members will want to balance their vote to win at all costs with an old-school Labour politician as deputy. That would benefit Tom Watson. It would seem to be bad news for Stella Creasy.

    I can't work out who would benefit if Yvette Cooper looks like winning. Maybe Ben Bradshaw?

    Taken overall, the odds on Tom Watson look poor to me. I'm not betting on this market but if I did I'd be inclined to bet on both Stella Creasy and Caroline Flint. That looks like it might be a better than evens shot at odds against prices. But I've got other fish to fry right now.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    I hope this hustings tonight does some kind of "exit poll".
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,845
    The Labour verification thing is hilarious.

    They are going to spend so much time (and therefore money) on trying to find out if people are proper supporters!

    Will cost them more than the £3 they will get!

    Their own fault for setting up such an obviously flawed scheme.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    JEO said:

    Anorak,

    1. It's not eurosceptic paranoia. Eurozone taxpayers in Germany, Finland etc have already given a loan to Greece that those governments knew they would never get fully back, and had a good chance of barely getting any back. That is a fiscal transfer from one state to another.

    Besides, the billions of subsidies estimated by KPMG are nothing to do with euroscepticism.

    2. I'm sorry. I mentioned both air quality and noise quality earlier, and did not read the bit you quoted back at me properly. In terms of noise quality, I do not believe that landings on a third runway will hardly be audible at all. What technology exists that makes planes virtually silent?

    Let's stick to the noise question. We could argue the other one all day and get nowhere!

    I've spent large chunks of my life in Isleworth (yuk) and Chiswick (yay). One closer and one futher from LHR than your friends in Richmond. The difference in noise levels between the runways is tremendous, especially if you are directly under one of them. This means the separation between the current runways is enough to have a major impact on the noise depending on where you are. The third runway is a lot further north of the middle runway (the current north runway) than the middle runway is from the south runway. Given Richmond is definitely on the south side of the airport, I'd be surprised if you would even notice a landing on the new runway above ambient road noise.

    The impact in other areas will vary, obviously, and lots and lots of people will be affected who are not affected now. That is undeniable.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,347
    Curse of the new thread:
    FPT: For those interested, Witcher 3 review up [minimal spoilers, it's just the premise, really]:
    http://thaddeusthesixth.blogspot.co.uk/2015/06/review-witcher-3-ps4.html

    On-topic: no, it doesn't matter.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,293
    antifrank said:

    The Labour Leadership is an essentially meaningless position which means that people can and will vote frivolously. .

    Corrected it for you, antifrank!

    :lol::lol::lol:

  • DisraeliDisraeli Posts: 1,106
    edited June 2015
    If you think that Stella Creasy will be deputy, then Burnham+Creasy at 6/1 or Cooper+Creasy at 12/1 don't look too bad.

    On previous thread - regarding that Donald Trump video.
    Phew! It looks like a comic spoof. Trump makes Farage look like Ghandi!
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621

    Have I logged onto airportchat.com?

    Beats AV dontcha know :lol:
    Amen, brother.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,293
    Disraeli said:

    If you think that Stella Creasy will be deputy, then Burnham+Creasy at 6/1 or Cooper+Creasy at 12/1 don't look too bad.

    On previous thread - regarding that Donald Trump video.
    Phew! It looks like a comic spoof. Trump makes Farage look like Ghandi!

    Gandhi!
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited June 2015

    The Labour verification thing is hilarious.

    They are going to spend so much time (and therefore money) on trying to find out if people are proper supporters!

    Will cost them more than the £3 they will get!

    Their own fault for setting up such an obviously flawed scheme.

    It is properly funny. What sort of questions will they ask? Do they show a picture of Maggie and check the subsequent level of froth? An online quiz to ensure you have sufficient, unquestioning love for the NHS and all who work there?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,194

    Curse of the new thread:
    FPT: For those interested, Witcher 3 review up [minimal spoilers, it's just the premise, really]:
    http://thaddeusthesixth.blogspot.co.uk/2015/06/review-witcher-3-ps4.html

    Thanks. A little disappointed in Mass Effect, one of my favourite series ever, being in the distant future - one of the disappointments of the ending of the original trilogy was the lack of payoff in seeing how the characters were affected in the aftermath, and I'd hoped a new game in roughly the same period would be one reason for that approach (so as not to give anything away).
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    Article: "I’ve spent the last couple of hours looking at this market, and I’ve still not worked out which is the value option". Me neither, mostly because you need a microscope to read the text. :D
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    Has anybody got the link to the £3 sign up for Labour? I can only find the standard member options.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,293
    Anorak said:

    The Labour verification thing is hilarious.

    They are going to spend so much time (and therefore money) on trying to find out if people are proper supporters!

    Will cost them more than the £3 they will get!

    Their own fault for setting up such an obviously flawed scheme.

    It is properly funny. What sort of questions will they ask? Do they show a picture of Maggie and check the subsequent level of froth? An online quiz to ensure you have sufficient, unquestioning love for the NHS and all who work there?
    Number of hours to save the NHS:
    a) 1, b) 2, c) 24, d) 48....
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,194
    Oh darn, I will be out during the Labour leadership hustings. I hope it goes up on Iplayer quickly.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,293
    Anorak said:

    Have I logged onto airportchat.com?

    Beats AV dontcha know :lol:
    Amen, brother.
    Hold on, have we stumbled upon the ideal voting mechanism for the Davies Comission to select the site of the new runway?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,347
    Mr. kle4, a year and a half is some way, but it's not all that long. And Fallout 4 should keep you occupied, if you get it.

    Asari can live a very long time. It's possible some characters could still be around (many think Andromeda's set in the future relative to ME3, but some think it's concurrent, with the shift to Andromeda being a back-up plan in case the Reapers ruin the Milky Way, so mankind can survive).
  • DisraeliDisraeli Posts: 1,106

    Disraeli said:

    If you think that Stella Creasy will be deputy, then Burnham+Creasy at 6/1 or Cooper+Creasy at 12/1 don't look too bad.

    On previous thread - regarding that Donald Trump video.
    Phew! It looks like a comic spoof. Trump makes Farage look like Ghandi!

    Gandhi!
    Sorry, Sunil, couldn't remember the spelling.

    Well he only made the one film and you never heard of him again!
  • Bond_James_BondBond_James_Bond Posts: 1,939
    Of course Labour will keep the money - it's what they do
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,312
    Disraeli said:

    Disraeli said:

    If you think that Stella Creasy will be deputy, then Burnham+Creasy at 6/1 or Cooper+Creasy at 12/1 don't look too bad.

    On previous thread - regarding that Donald Trump video.
    Phew! It looks like a comic spoof. Trump makes Farage look like Ghandi!

    Gandhi!
    Sorry, Sunil, couldn't remember the spelling.

    Well he only made the one film and you never heard of him again!
    I can't believe you misspelt the name of the half naked fakir.

    Especially after Churchill chat today
  • calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    saddened said:

    Has anybody got the link to the £3 sign up for Labour? I can only find the standard member options.

    Here you go:

    https://supporters.labour.org.uk/leadership/1
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    calum said:

    saddened said:

    Has anybody got the link to the £3 sign up for Labour? I can only find the standard member options.

    Here you go:

    https://supporters.labour.org.uk/leadership/1
    "I support the aims and values of the Labour Party, and I am not a supporter of any organisation opposed to it." snigger.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    If they keep the money then that's fraud surely????.. taking money under false pretences.. they said anyone can join if they pay £3
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,729
    edited June 2015
    Labour can't do anything right. Too nice to Muslims and non-British-ethnic people on the podcast day, not enough Muslims and non-British-ethnic people on the leadership ticket today.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Every tory supports Labours current aims.. to self destruct..
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Some nice graphics of the breakdown of MPs' nominations here:

    http://mattsmithetc.com/labour-leadership-nominations-breakdown/
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    calum said:

    saddened said:

    Has anybody got the link to the £3 sign up for Labour? I can only find the standard member options.

    Here you go:

    https://supporters.labour.org.uk/leadership/1
    Many thanks, Mr Corbyn, will be racking up another vote shortly.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,293

    Some nice graphics of the breakdown of MPs' nominations here:

    http://mattsmithetc.com/labour-leadership-nominations-breakdown/

    Oooo, I do like the last infographic!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,312
    edited June 2015
    Have I ever mentioned I backed/tipped Liz Kendall as next Labour leader at 50/1 and 20/1 ?
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    RobD said:

    Some nice graphics of the breakdown of MPs' nominations here:

    http://mattsmithetc.com/labour-leadership-nominations-breakdown/

    Oooo, I do like the last infographic!
    Indeed Burhman and Cooper are the only ones having a broad level of support among most categories of Labour MP's, while Kendall and Corbyn have a very narrow base.

    Also I fully support excluding Tories from the Labour leadership election.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    Have I ever mentioned I backed/tipped Liz Kendall as next Labour leader at 50/1 and 20/1 ?

    good value loser
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,293
    Speedy said:

    RobD said:

    Some nice graphics of the breakdown of MPs' nominations here:

    http://mattsmithetc.com/labour-leadership-nominations-breakdown/

    Oooo, I do like the last infographic!
    Indeed Burhman and Cooper are the only ones having a broad level of support among most categories of Labour MP's, while Kendall and Corbyn have a very narrow base.

    Also I fully support excluding Tories from the Labour leadership election.
    Entryism just ain't cricket.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,307
    A Miliband measures energy saved as 1 million switch off tvs as Newsnight Labour leadership debate starts.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Disraeli said:

    If you think that Stella Creasy will be deputy, then Burnham+Creasy at 6/1 or Cooper+Creasy at 12/1 don't look too bad.

    On previous thread - regarding that Donald Trump video.
    Phew! It looks like a comic spoof. Trump makes Farage look like Ghandi!

    I think Trump is the american Berlusconi.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Hmm... not sure it'll play very well for Andy to make an attack on Cameron in his opening speech.
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,376

    So Labour have a system for membership that if "they" decide to turn you down without giving you your money back, they can do so?

    Will they extend that to sporting events if they get back to power? "Dear sir, thanks for your application for two £60 tickets to see England play. I'm afraid it's over-subscribed but we'll keep the money anyway. Thanks."

    A judge-led inquiry beckons. Where's Ed when you need him?

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,312
    Alex Hales or the Labour hustings.

    There can be only one winner
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    edited June 2015
    CD13 said:

    Will they extend that to sporting events if they get back to power? "Dear sir, thanks for your application for two £60 tickets to see England play. I'm afraid it's over-subscribed but we'll keep the money anyway. Thanks."

    More like "I'm afraid we think you might be a New Zealand supporter, so we'll keep the money!"
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited June 2015
    Burnham reminds people that he's a blairite on the debates.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    A very left wing audience on the Labour debates tonight.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    Bollocks. Hale out.
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,376

    From the BBC ... talking about Evans' co-hosts.

    "The star, who was announced as Jeremy Clarkson's replacement on Tuesday, said the show would star at least one woman, chosen not "for the sake of it" but because of their passion for cars."

    That does sound like "for the sake of it."

    Mr Dancer ... why not extend to to F1. Every team to have at least one female driver. There's diversity for you.

  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    CD13 said:


    From the BBC ... talking about Evans' co-hosts.

    "The star, who was announced as Jeremy Clarkson's replacement on Tuesday, said the show would star at least one woman, chosen not "for the sake of it" but because of their passion for cars."

    That does sound like "for the sake of it."

    Mr Dancer ... why not extend to to F1. Every team to have at least one female driver. There's diversity for you.

    I'd watch a lot more F1 if they mandated each team to have a blind driver. They could be guided by radio: "left a bit, bit more, steady..."
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    This is the problem for Liz Kendall. She claims she's the leader who "compromises with the electorate", yet on immigration (the most toxic issue of all for Labour) she starts giving out liberal lectures about the benefits of it.
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,376
    Mr Anorak,

    Now you're regressing to stereotypes - although they do come in useful at times.

    If you have a choice between two supermarket queues, or ideed any queues, check the number of items in the basket AND the number of women in the queue.

    Women have a tendency to be caught by surprise when, after carefully packing their purchases, they are asked to pay. Cue ... a rummaging in purses for their credit card.

    They’ve been queueing patiently and it’s never entered their heads that the cashier might want paying. It catches them out at regular intervals.

    And if you want your precious new car reversed into a narrow parking space, you’d obviously prefer a .... woman to do it. They may take three times as long and be facing the wrong way, but it would more likely survive intact.

    And given a choice between a six foot six or a five foot six player for a basketball team, you’d probably go for the taller one.

    Stereotypes don’t always work but bitter experience is a hard taskmaster.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    They seem to like Corbyn.
    Speedy said:

    A very left wing audience on the Labour debates tonight.

  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    Anorak said:

    Bollocks. Hale out.

    And another one. Here we go.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Plato said:

    They seem to like Corbyn.

    Speedy said:

    A very left wing audience on the Labour debates tonight.

    He's the only one who gets any clapping.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,312
    I'm impressed by Jeremy Corbyn's answer to immigrants and the NHS.

    Obviously I'm biased.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I'm not sure Yvette is coming across well, she seems to be ticking that chap off and very school ma'amish.
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656

    I'm impressed by Jeremy Corbyn's answer to immigrants and the NHS.

    Obviously I'm biased.

    What were they?
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Yvette Cooper sounds and looks like she has consumed a ton of coffee on the immigration question.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Plato said:

    I'm not sure Yvette is coming across well, she seems to be ticking that chap off and very school ma'amish.

    Better that than a delicate snowflake?
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    And now a Sturgeon question.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,319
    Where are you watching the hustings?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,578
    Yvette playing the gender card. Surely she can offer more than that?
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    Where are you watching the hustings?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10318089
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091

    Where are you watching the hustings?

    BBC2.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Liz Kendall on the Sturgeon question:
    "I'm a woman"
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited June 2015
    Ohh, question on Corbyn about why the Tories are supporting him.
    He successfully dodges it.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    BBC News

    Where are you watching the hustings?

  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Speedy said:

    Liz Kendall on the Sturgeon question:
    "I'm a woman"

    I was going to mention that,Christ they crap.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,578
    Burnham has given the best answer on the Sturgeon question.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I'm surprised to say quite genuinely that Corbyn is the only one with leadership speaking skills. The other three sound very thin and unstatesmanlike.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited June 2015
    Burnham turns a question about vision into a love letter for Sturgeon.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,319
    Burnham didn't do his one nation credentials any favours by portraying himself as the Sturgeon of Northern England.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Did he mention he was from Liverpool yet?

    Burnham didn't do his one nation credentials any favours by portraying himself as the Sturgeon of Northern England.

  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Plato said:

    I'm surprised to say quite genuinely that Corbyn is the only one with leadership speaking skills. The other three sound very thin and unstatesmanlike.

    Yes, I always thought he came across a bit dull when I've seen him before, but he actually sounds quite pumped up tonight (if you ignore the substance of what he's saying).
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,015
    Anorak said:

    JEO said:

    Anorak,

    1. It's not eurosceptic paranoia. Eurozone taxpayers in Germany, Finland etc have already given a loan to Greece that those governments knew they would never get fully back, and had a good chance of barely getting any back. That is a fiscal transfer from one state to another.

    Besides, the billions of subsidies estimated by KPMG are nothing to do with euroscepticism.

    2. I'm sorry. I mentioned both air quality and noise quality earlier, and did not read the bit you quoted back at me properly. In terms of noise quality, I do not believe that landings on a third runway will hardly be audible at all. What technology exists that makes planes virtually silent?

    Let's stick to the noise question. We could argue the other one all day and get nowhere!

    I've spent large chunks of my life in Isleworth (yuk) and Chiswick (yay). One closer and one futher from LHR than your friends in Richmond. The difference in noise levels between the runways is tremendous, especially if you are directly under one of them. This means the separation between the current runways is enough to have a major impact on the noise depending on where you are. The third runway is a lot further north of the middle runway (the current north runway) than the middle runway is from the south runway. Given Richmond is definitely on the south side of the airport, I'd be surprised if you would even notice a landing on the new runway above ambient road noise.

    The impact in other areas will vary, obviously, and lots and lots of people will be affected who are not affected now. That is undeniable.
    Had they actually narrowed down the location of Heathrow's third runway? I haven't been following it, and the last I saw there were still several options.

    I'm sad that my favoured option of Boris Island is a non-runner. This is partly because whatever option is chosen (e.g. Heathrow or Gatwick expansions) will not be very futureproof, but mainly because an airport island is really cool. :)

  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited June 2015
    Plato said:

    I'm surprised to say quite genuinely that Corbyn is the only one with leadership speaking skills. The other three sound very thin and unstatesmanlike.

    Unfortunately that is accurate so far.
    Corbyn looks and behaves more like a normal human being than the other 3.
    Kendall is so bad she reminds me of Michele Bachmann.
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    Liz Kendall complains about being a low skill, low wage economy, but then backs high levels of immigration from Eastern Europe and South Asia. How is that consistent?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,578
    As things stand Corbyn is getting my first preference.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Janan Ganesh ‏@JananGanesh

    Burnham, Kendall and Corbyn actually have things to say, which is why I suspect Cooper will end up winning.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Kendall is trying to dodge a question about the deficit and balanced budgets.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,312
    Andy Burnham comes as a very rude guy, with his constant interruptions/talking on/over other people.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Now a "did Labour spend too much" question.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,312

    As things stand Corbyn is getting my first preference.

    So you are a Tory! Your vote will be disregarded
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Burnham gave a great answer on the deficit.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,578

    As things stand Corbyn is getting my first preference.

    And Burnham getting my second.

    Liz might be a fresh start but I don't think she is shining.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited June 2015
    First time tonight that Burnham gets an applause, on the spending question.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091

    As things stand Corbyn is getting my first preference.

    And Burnham getting my second.

    Liz might be a fresh start but I don't think she is shining.
    You've made quite the turnaround from a few weeks ago :p
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,578

    As things stand Corbyn is getting my first preference.

    So you are a Tory! Your vote will be disregarded
    I think the word you're looking for is Socialist!
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Yvette is a deficit denier.

    No overspending in the past...
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Burnham overly emotional manner/overtalking/hyperbole isn't doing him any favours. Yvette by comparison is very finger-wagging/cold. And WTF was that stats nonsense about surpluses? Quoting numbers?

    Liz doesn't seem to have a clear idea of what she wants.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited June 2015
    Now a question "the Tories are nasty but competent, Labour is nice but incompetent".

    Corbyn does not answer the question but he gets an applause anyway.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,307
    o/t. Are there any figures available re changes in levels of voter registration for each constituency for 2010 and 2010?
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Cooper talks of her personal story about benefits.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,578
    Danny565 said:

    As things stand Corbyn is getting my first preference.

    And Burnham getting my second.

    Liz might be a fresh start but I don't think she is shining.
    You've made quite the turnaround from a few weeks ago :p
    I said that leadership qualities were my priority - I thought Liz would offer that but she is disappointing me.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    I have to admit, I'm not really convinced this audience is as "impartial" as Newsnight claimed.
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