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  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited June 2015
    The most unPC thing I read recently was the Magic Gays trope. It appears all over the place in films etc. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MagicalQueer
    The male Magical Gay tends to be an expert on heterosexual relationships, even though he's never been in any kind of romantic or sexual relationship with a woman, and even gay romance seems suspiciously absent from his life.

    The Magical Queer, by virtue of his/her status as both Closer to Earth and too good for it, tends to succumb to Bury Your Gays, even if it is to teach the straight characters or audience an aesop about homosexuality.

    This trope runs into the same problems as Magical Negro, and Manic Pixie Dream Girl, because it can come off as more patronizing than honoring. Also, it depends on the validity of certain stereotypes which can be considered offensive to both heterosexuals and homosexuals. However, on the bright side, it's a less negative portrayal of homosexuals than certain other tropes.

    If Morgan Freeman is the Magical Negro, then Harvey Fierstein is this trope.

    "Maybe if we oppressed gays a bit they'd start voting for us again"
    "I was walking on Hampstead Heath the other day and I met a man called Colin. We fell into conversation and he said to me, 'Ed, what I want Labour to do is focus on jobs and fairness. Can I suck your ****?'"

  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Attention booklovers, in half an hour this guy is expected to announce his run for President of the USA.
    http://www.publishersweekly.com/978-1-4000-6327-7

    There is a good trading bet of him becoming the flavour of the month.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    Jowell is dressed like a 1950s outlaw biker and leaning against a graffitied wall. An unlikely image for a prospective mayor.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    Most people mocked DanHodges for years, but it turns out he called a lot of things correctly. Doesn't mean he always will be of course, but even for an ideological opposite how can Owen Jones, so soon after being so wrong himself, be so arrogant. And in that quite he is definitely wrong, as Hodges continually said what he thought Labour should do - perhaps it wasn't 'constructive' enough for Owen, but no-one could credibly argue he didn't slip in actual advice amidst the constant ' I don't think Ed M is a good leader' stuff on occasion.
  • Bond_James_BondBond_James_Bond Posts: 1,939
    Plato said:

    The most unPC thing I read recently was the Magic Gays trope. It appears all over the place in films etc. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MagicalQueer

    The male Magical Gay tends to be an expert on heterosexual relationships, even though he's never been in any kind of romantic or sexual relationship with a woman, and even gay romance seems suspiciously absent from his life.

    The Magical Queer, by virtue of his/her status as both Closer to Earth and too good for it, tends to succumb to Bury Your Gays, even if it is to teach the straight characters or audience an aesop about homosexuality.

    This trope runs into the same problems as Magical Negro, and Manic Pixie Dream Girl, because it can come off as more patronizing than honoring. Also, it depends on the validity of certain stereotypes which can be considered offensive to both heterosexuals and homosexuals. However, on the bright side, it's a less negative portrayal of homosexuals than certain other tropes.

    If Morgan Freeman is the Magical Negro, then Harvey Fierstein is this trope.

    "Maybe if we oppressed gays a bit they'd start voting for us again"
    "I was walking on Hampstead Heath the other day and I met a man called Colin. We fell into conversation and he said to me, 'Ed, what I want Labour to do is focus on jobs and fairness. Can I suck your ****?'"



    The idea that all gays can be characterised as basically the same, like all Sikhs and all Muslims, seems very lefty.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417
    1st up at Ascot.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417
    kle4 said:

    Most people mocked DanHodges for years, but it turns out he called a lot of things correctly. Doesn't mean he always will be of course, but even for an ideological opposite how can Owen Jones, so soon after being so wrong himself, be so arrogant. And in that quite he is definitely wrong, as Hodges continually said what he thought Labour should do - perhaps it wasn't 'constructive' enough for Owen, but no-one could credibly argue he didn't slip in actual advice amidst the constant ' I don't think Ed M is a good leader' stuff on occasion.

    Dan's appreciation of leader ratings over polling was excellent in hindsight !
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Islamists now saying their man was not killed in a drone strike..porkie pie time for somebody
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I never thought she'd be a fan of Sons of Anarchy
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    I wouldn't risk a mortgage on Tessa Jowell.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,713

    Plato said:

    I did wonder. Pity. Hopefully it'll pick up. Wayward Pines is bizarre, but oddly interesting.

    Plato said:

    I'm watching new summer releases for Humans, Dark Matter and Proof. You seen any yet?

    I loved Mr Robot and can't wait for E2

    kle4 said:

    Right, now that we've established Gul Dukat's role in the Cardassian Empire, I must be off.

    If I recall, keeping to the fantasy/sci-fi convention of trying to limit to only one kingdom/empire/confederation/etc at a time, it was termed the Cardassian Union officially, though like most non Federation 'empires' other than the freed Bajorans I don't know if any other species supposedly within its space ever appeared.

    Ok, enough Star Trek.

    No odds for 'capitalist pigdogs'?

    'Tory deception' seems a possibility to me, given the comfort blanket of it that has been intermittently used.
    Humans started well, but even half-way through the first episode it became depressingly predictable. All about the usual 'machines have started thinking for themselves, and are dangerous' and are going to rebel angle.

    The more interesting (but much more disturbing) angle would be to keep them passive and subservient to their original programming but increasingly sentinent. Then to show how, in reality, such 'synths' would become widely physically, verbally and sexually abused and exploited. In fact, some might be bought for that purpose alone.

    Having an exploitable 'slave' - all behind closed doors - can bring out the very worst and most base instincts of humanity.
    CR's plotline would make for a very interesting study of the human condition. How would we react to the reintroduction of such slavery?

    Far more interesting than the revolt of the machines.
    Thanks. Of course, it'd make for some very uncomfortable viewing.

    Plato: yes, I hope you're right. My wife loves it, so I'm stuck with watching the whole series anyway.
  • DisraeliDisraeli Posts: 1,106
    kle4 said:

    Most people mocked DanHodges for years, but it turns out he called a lot of things correctly. Doesn't mean he always will be of course, but even for an ideological opposite how can Owen Jones, so soon after being so wrong himself, be so arrogant. And in that quite he is definitely wrong, as Hodges continually said what he thought Labour should do - perhaps it wasn't 'constructive' enough for Owen, but no-one could credibly argue he didn't slip in actual advice amidst the constant ' I don't think Ed M is a good leader' stuff on occasion.

    Spot on!
    "...how can Owen Jones, so soon after being so wrong himself, be so arrogant."
    He's a totally immersed party ideologue - it's what they do.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,036
    dr_spyn said:

    I wouldn't risk a mortgage on Tessa Jowell.

    Mortgage, what mortgage?
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    kle4 said:

    Most people mocked DanHodges for years, but it turns out he called a lot of things correctly. Doesn't mean he always will be of course, but even for an ideological opposite how can Owen Jones, so soon after being so wrong himself, be so arrogant. And in that quite he is definitely wrong, as Hodges continually said what he thought Labour should do - perhaps it wasn't 'constructive' enough for Owen, but no-one could credibly argue he didn't slip in actual advice amidst the constant ' I don't think Ed M is a good leader' stuff on occasion.

    Dan Hodges has been completely vidicated by this election result. Even at times when he looked most wrong, he stuck to his guns and didn't start equivocating to cover himself.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    That's a surprisingly strong showing for Tessa. I suspect it comes down to people like to be reminded of the London Olympics.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited June 2015
    kle4 said:

    Most people mocked DanHodges for years, but it turns out he called a lot of things correctly. Doesn't mean he always will be of course, but even for an ideological opposite how can Owen Jones, so soon after being so wrong himself, be so arrogant. And in that quite he is definitely wrong, as Hodges continually said what he thought Labour should do - perhaps it wasn't 'constructive' enough for Owen, but no-one could credibly argue he didn't slip in actual advice amidst the constant ' I don't think Ed M is a good leader' stuff on occasion.

    Hodges did continually say that UKIP would poll about 6% and the Lib Dems would get about 15%, though :p
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,662
    I don't know if someone knows something I don't, but European stock markets are rallying hard: almost everything is now up for the day having been down 2% earlier.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300

    Come back Patrick O'Flynn, all is forgiven?
    Not.
    And no guessing what Farage's favorite song is,
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Man_Band_(song)
    Child: "Daddy - who's that funny man over there? With all those musical instruments."
    Father: "Why! That’s Ivor Biggun the famous one man band."
    Child: "What's a one man band daddy?"
    Father "He's one man and he's banned by television and radio..."
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    No perfect prophet, certainly. Has he done his charity streak yet?
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Speaking of political commentators that called things right - and those who got it very wrong. - who said this of Ed’s 2014 Conference speech?

    “I thought it was lamentable, weak, clichéd, embarrassing, uninspiring, stylistically inept, vacuous, unambitious, grandiose, cringeworthy, patronising, foolish, an unappetising blend of impossiblism and incrementalism, and a complete and final disaster for the Labour Party.”

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,662

    Islamists now saying their man was not killed in a drone strike..porkie pie time for somebody

    Apparently, it was the gush which got him.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    Danny565 said:

    kle4 said:

    Most people mocked DanHodges for years, but it turns out he called a lot of things correctly. Doesn't mean he always will be of course, but even for an ideological opposite how can Owen Jones, so soon after being so wrong himself, be so arrogant. And in that quite he is definitely wrong, as Hodges continually said what he thought Labour should do - perhaps it wasn't 'constructive' enough for Owen, but no-one could credibly argue he didn't slip in actual advice amidst the constant ' I don't think Ed M is a good leader' stuff on occasion.

    Hodges did continually say that UKIP would poll about 6% and the Lib Dems would get about 15%, though :p

    To be fair, he got the total % of UKIP + LibDems pretty much spot on.

  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Are there odds for " I blame Gordon" and " voters didn't trust us "
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    OT anyone seen Black Swan from 2010? It's got super reviews. I missed it, but imdb recommended it as I love Lost Girl.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095

    How awesome is Dan Hodges (PBUH) slapping down Owen Jones

    Jones: “You’ve never, ever, ever, ever come up with a single constructive policy proposal about what you’d like to see Labour doing. You don’t add anything constructive to the debate. What does Dan Hodges stand for?”

    Hodges: “Actually, I did Owen. I said look at what Ed Miliband’s doing and do the opposite.”

    http://bit.ly/1Tq5gbK

    That is hilarious.. Of course the candidates all (bar Corbyn >???)still seem to think it was a brilliant campaign.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Plato said:

    OT anyone seen Black Swan from 2010? It's got super reviews. I missed it, but imdb recommended it as I love Lost Girl.

    I suspect TSE has seen one scene in particular several times.

    It's very good, sure you'll enjoy.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Plato said:

    OT anyone seen Black Swan from 2010? It's got super reviews. I missed it, but imdb recommended it as I love Lost Girl.

    A TV recommendation from Mrs SSC and not a waistcoat in sight! – apparently it’s on Netflix.

    http://www.netflix.com/wimovie/80018294?mqso=81640165&gclid=CKzft8CtlMYCFdMatAodTQwA0Q
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Oh fab! Thanxxx to Mrs SSC.

    Plato said:

    OT anyone seen Black Swan from 2010? It's got super reviews. I missed it, but imdb recommended it as I love Lost Girl.

    A TV recommendation from Mrs SSC and not a waistcoat in sight! – apparently it’s on Netflix.

    http://www.netflix.com/wimovie/80018294?mqso=81640165&gclid=CKzft8CtlMYCFdMatAodTQwA0Q
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Ace. Will watch later.

    Plato said:

    OT anyone seen Black Swan from 2010? It's got super reviews. I missed it, but imdb recommended it as I love Lost Girl.

    I suspect TSE has seen one scene in particular several times.

    It's very good, sure you'll enjoy.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    For anyone who loves Sons of Anarchy, S5 is on Spike TV from next week. Hard to believe Jax was in Byker Grove.
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Plato.. I have seen Black Swan .. it bored me to tears.. but I rather think you might like it..
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,303

    How awesome is Dan Hodges (PBUH) slapping down Owen Jones

    Jones: “You’ve never, ever, ever, ever come up with a single constructive policy proposal about what you’d like to see Labour doing. You don’t add anything constructive to the debate. What does Dan Hodges stand for?”

    Hodges: “Actually, I did Owen. I said look at what Ed Miliband’s doing and do the opposite.”

    http://bit.ly/1Tq5gbK

    That is hilarious.. Of course the candidates all (bar Corbyn >???)still seem to think it was a brilliant campaign.
    Discussing the Tory enthusiasm for Corbyn:

    Jones: "When Margaret Thatcher became Conservative leader Jim Callaghan's response was, "Well that's the Conservatives losing the next election...""

    Hodges: "So Jeremy Corbyn is Labour's Margaret Thatcher?"
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,952

    Speaking of political commentators that called things right - and those who got it very wrong. - who said this of Ed’s 2014 Conference speech?

    “I thought it was lamentable, weak, clichéd, embarrassing, uninspiring, stylistically inept, vacuous, unambitious, grandiose, cringeworthy, patronising, foolish, an unappetising blend of impossiblism and incrementalism, and a complete and final disaster for the Labour Party.”

    Was it me? I had the misfortune to hear the whole thing as I was driving back from Scotland. That is a fair summary of my thoughts (with added "Hell yeah!!" as I thought the 2015 election looked like one we should now win...).
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Ooh. I'm jolly shallow. Will imbibe before pressing Play.

    Plato.. I have seen Black Swan .. it bored me to tears.. but I rather think you might like it..

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,968
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Hope this encourages Labour to pick Jowell over Khan.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    That's epic. :smiley:

    How awesome is Dan Hodges (PBUH) slapping down Owen Jones

    Jones: “You’ve never, ever, ever, ever come up with a single constructive policy proposal about what you’d like to see Labour doing. You don’t add anything constructive to the debate. What does Dan Hodges stand for?”

    Hodges: “Actually, I did Owen. I said look at what Ed Miliband’s doing and do the opposite.”

    http://bit.ly/1Tq5gbK

    That is hilarious.. Of course the candidates all (bar Corbyn >???)still seem to think it was a brilliant campaign.
    Discussing the Tory enthusiasm for Corbyn:

    Jones: "When Margaret Thatcher became Conservative leader Jim Callaghan's response was, "Well that's the Conservatives losing the next election...""

    Hodges: "So Jeremy Corbyn is Labour's Margaret Thatcher?"
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited June 2015
    Just 31% of candidates in the Danish general election today are women. Since 29% of HoC MPs are female, that pretty much guarantees that the next Danish parliament will have fewer female members than the HoC. Well, not guarantees, but makes it likely.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/16/danish-election-guide-parties-candidates
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    Khan has done good work with Labour London but Labour just have to go for Tessa Jowell. Jowell has the recognition factor, the Olympics connection and could appeal more to those outside of Central London. Khan could still win but it'd be risky by Labour.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,662
    AndyJS said:

    Just 31% of candidates in the Danish general election today are women. Since 29% of HoC MPs are female, that pretty much guarantees that the next Danish parliament will have fewer female members than the HoC.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/16/danish-election-guide-parties-candidates

    Why would female Danish candidates have a lower success rate than male ones?
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976

    Speaking of political commentators that called things right - and those who got it very wrong. - who said this of Ed’s 2014 Conference speech?

    “I thought it was lamentable, weak, clichéd, embarrassing, uninspiring, stylistically inept, vacuous, unambitious, grandiose, cringeworthy, patronising, foolish, an unappetising blend of impossiblism and incrementalism, and a complete and final disaster for the Labour Party.”

    Was it me? I had the misfortune to hear the whole thing as I was driving back from Scotland. That is a fair summary of my thoughts (with added "Hell yeah!!" as I thought the 2015 election looked like one we should now win...).
    Afraid not MrMark – twas another equally insightful chap, but a less distinguished gentleman.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,662
    Tsipiras speech in Athens: "IMF has a criminal responsibility for Greek situation"
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    rcs1000 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Just 31% of candidates in the Danish general election today are women. Since 29% of HoC MPs are female, that pretty much guarantees that the next Danish parliament will have fewer female members than the HoC.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/16/danish-election-guide-parties-candidates

    Why would female Danish candidates have a lower success rate than male ones?
    I was assuming that in most places men are more likely to be elected than women but I should have checked the facts for Danish elections first.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,932

    antifrank said:

    Come back Patrick O'Flynn, all is forgiven?
    Not.
    And no guessing what Farage's favorite song is,
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Man_Band_(song)
    The whole episode sounds like an extra verse of Unbreak My Heart.
    I'm just waiting for Sepp Blatter to unresign and publish my piece which is basically

    UKIP = FIFA

    Farage = Blatter
    Is Blatter about to unresign?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,032
    rcs1000 said:

    Tsipiras speech in Athens: "IMF has a criminal responsibility for Greek situation"

    Motes and beams come to mind. This man really knows how to win friends and influence people.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    AndyJS said:

    rcs1000 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Just 31% of candidates in the Danish general election today are women. Since 29% of HoC MPs are female, that pretty much guarantees that the next Danish parliament will have fewer female members than the HoC.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/16/danish-election-guide-parties-candidates

    Why would female Danish candidates have a lower success rate than male ones?
    I was assuming that in most places men are more likely to be elected than women but I should have checked the facts for Danish elections first.
    I'm not sure its true. While its true that more men get elected it doesn't translate (even in the UK) to necessarily meaning a higher success rate for male candidates.

    I suspect in fact that a higher-than-normal proportion of ego-driven no chance candidates (eg OMRLP, independents, Lib Dems) are male meaning that'd depress the success rate of male candidates. It wouldn't surprise me (though I've not seen the figures) that women are more likely to stand if they think they've a chance of winning.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,981

    antifrank said:

    Come back Patrick O'Flynn, all is forgiven?
    Not.
    And no guessing what Farage's favorite song is,
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Man_Band_(song)
    The whole episode sounds like an extra verse of Unbreak My Heart.
    I'm just waiting for Sepp Blatter to unresign and publish my piece which is basically

    UKIP = FIFA

    Farage = Blatter
    Is Blatter about to unresign?
    There was speculation over the weekend he might unresign, but it has now been denied.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,036
    rcs1000 said:

    Tsipiras speech in Athens: "IMF has a criminal responsibility for Greek situation"

    What is he playing at? Mme Lagarde is going to head to Athens and literally hang him up by the goolies at this rate!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417
    edited June 2015
    Not sure if I'm better off with Khan or Jowell as candidate financially. Probabkly Khan... Khan vs Goldsmith brings the 11-4 on any Tory in nicely too (If it is Goldsmith) :D
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,156


    I suspect in fact that a higher-than-normal proportion of ego-driven no chance candidates (eg OMRLP, independents, Lib Dems) .

    Arf! :lol:

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,156
    Artist said:

    Khan has done good work with Labour London but Labour just have to go for Tessa Jowell. Jowell has the recognition factor, the Olympics connection and could appeal more to those outside of Central London. Khan could still win but it'd be risky by Labour.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRnSnfiUI54
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,662
    @Sandpit, @DavidL

    Tsipiras is trying to separate the Europeans from the IMF, by trying to make out the Europeans are American stooges if they fail to ditch the IMF and support Greece.

    I am not convinced by the brilliance of this plan.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Plato said:

    I'm watching new summer releases for Humans, Dark Matter and Proof. You seen any yet?

    I loved Mr Robot and can't wait for E2

    kle4 said:

    Right, now that we've established Gul Dukat's role in the Cardassian Empire, I must be off.

    If I recall, keeping to the fantasy/sci-fi convention of trying to limit to only one kingdom/empire/confederation/etc at a time, it was termed the Cardassian Union officially, though like most non Federation 'empires' other than the freed Bajorans I don't know if any other species supposedly within its space ever appeared.

    Ok, enough Star Trek.

    No odds for 'capitalist pigdogs'?

    'Tory deception' seems a possibility to me, given the comfort blanket of it that has been intermittently used.
    Dark Matter seems pretty good. Nice twist at the end of the pilot which I hadn't expected and sets things up for some interesting storylines.

    Only question is whether a Canadian show can flesh out its world enough or end up with every planet being the same quarry in Toronto/Vancouver whichever one it's made at.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417
    edited June 2015

    antifrank said:

    Come back Patrick O'Flynn, all is forgiven?
    Not.
    And no guessing what Farage's favorite song is,
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Man_Band_(song)
    The whole episode sounds like an extra verse of Unbreak My Heart.
    I'm just waiting for Sepp Blatter to unresign and publish my piece which is basically

    UKIP = FIFA

    Farage = Blatter
    Is Blatter about to unresign?
    There was speculation over the weekend he might unresign, but it has now been denied.
    He should go quickly, every 3 days he stays in post is costing me 1 english penny.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    rcs1000 said:

    @Sandpit, @DavidL

    Tsipiras is trying to separate the Europeans from the IMF, by trying to make out the Europeans are American stooges if they fail to ditch the IMF and support Greece.

    I am not convinced by the brilliance of this plan.

    The plan is so brilliant it has blinded its author to the obvious.

    Helena Smith's interpretation that this means that Tsipras is readying his party for a deal is breathtakingly counterintuitive.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,690
    No EU vote on the same day as the locals next year. Good decision.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,968
    Mr. T, we'll find out fairly soon. Must be remembered that fudge is the favourite food of the EU.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    Speaking of political commentators that called things right - and those who got it very wrong. - who said this of Ed’s 2014 Conference speech?

    “I thought it was lamentable, weak, clichéd, embarrassing, uninspiring, stylistically inept, vacuous, unambitious, grandiose, cringeworthy, patronising, foolish, an unappetising blend of impossiblism and incrementalism, and a complete and final disaster for the Labour Party.”

    Was it me? I had the misfortune to hear the whole thing as I was driving back from Scotland. That is a fair summary of my thoughts (with added "Hell yeah!!" as I thought the 2015 election looked like one we should now win...).
    Afraid not MrMark – twas another equally insightful chap, but a less distinguished gentleman.
    Sounds like tim.
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    I see the Conservative leadership has said they will "amend" the purdah rules to ban mailshots to households. This really is not good enough. The problem is not mailshots, but mass media coverage after the government releases taxpayer-funded reports and papers backing one side in the referendum. This is what must be controlled, or the referendum will not be seen as impartial. That will cause eurosceptics to demand a re-run under fair rules, and understandably so.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    People still haven't laid off Khan bets ? Wow.

  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    TGOHF said:

    People still haven't laid off Khan bets ? Wow.

    What's the angle here?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417
    edited June 2015
    TGOHF said:

    People still haven't laid off Khan bets ? Wow.

    I'm sure his price has shortened every time you've mentioned burning the betslips, Harry :D

    Anyway I'm on Jowell, Goldsmith, Lammy (Small saver), the Tory field too :P
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417

    No EU vote on the same day as the locals next year. Good decision.

    Are you applauding that because you think it's more democratic or because you reckon probably lower turnout may well help Out/No win ;p ?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,036
    rcs1000 said:

    @Sandpit, @DavidL

    Tsipiras is trying to separate the Europeans from the IMF, by trying to make out the Europeans are American stooges if they fail to ditch the IMF and support Greece.

    I am not convinced by the brilliance of this plan.

    That's a bonkers strategy!

    The more sensible of the European nations will sell Greece to Russia before they undermine the IMF as an institution, and Greece right now are taking the piss out of them!

    Tsipras obviously expects the printing presses to start rolling in Brussels and Berlin to pay the IMF, it's either that now or Grexit from the Euro.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    Dair said:

    Plato said:

    I'm watching new summer releases for Humans, Dark Matter and Proof. You seen any yet?

    I loved Mr Robot and can't wait for E2

    kle4 said:

    Right, now that we've established Gul Dukat's role in the Cardassian Empire, I must be off.

    If I recall, keeping to the fantasy/sci-fi convention of trying to limit to only one kingdom/empire/confederation/etc at a time, it was termed the Cardassian Union officially, though like most non Federation 'empires' other than the freed Bajorans I don't know if any other species supposedly within its space ever appeared.

    Ok, enough Star Trek.

    No odds for 'capitalist pigdogs'?

    'Tory deception' seems a possibility to me, given the comfort blanket of it that has been intermittently used.
    Dark Matter seems pretty good. Nice twist at the end of the pilot which I hadn't expected and sets things up for some interesting storylines.

    Only question is whether a Canadian show can flesh out its world enough or end up with every planet being the same quarry in Toronto/Vancouver whichever one it's made at.
    So you've seen Stargate then? Those canadian forests pull some hard work as nearly every planet in 3 galaxies.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,036
    JEO said:

    I see the Conservative leadership has said they will "amend" the purdah rules to ban mailshots to households. This really is not good enough. The problem is not mailshots, but mass media coverage after the government releases taxpayer-funded reports and papers backing one side in the referendum. This is what must be controlled, or the referendum will not be seen as impartial. That will cause eurosceptics to demand a re-run under fair rules, and understandably so.

    Genuine question, do the TV and radio broadcast rules on impartiality automatically apply in the official referendum campaign period as they would for an election, or is this provision part of the legislation currently on its way through Parliament?
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    The trees have names in my house :wink: and Canadian actors are rushed off their feet! Forget LA.
    kle4 said:

    Dair said:

    Plato said:

    I'm watching new summer releases for Humans, Dark Matter and Proof. You seen any yet?

    I loved Mr Robot and can't wait for E2

    kle4 said:

    Right, now that we've established Gul Dukat's role in the Cardassian Empire, I must be off.

    If I recall, keeping to the fantasy/sci-fi convention of trying to limit to only one kingdom/empire/confederation/etc at a time, it was termed the Cardassian Union officially, though like most non Federation 'empires' other than the freed Bajorans I don't know if any other species supposedly within its space ever appeared.

    Ok, enough Star Trek.

    No odds for 'capitalist pigdogs'?

    'Tory deception' seems a possibility to me, given the comfort blanket of it that has been intermittently used.
    Dark Matter seems pretty good. Nice twist at the end of the pilot which I hadn't expected and sets things up for some interesting storylines.

    Only question is whether a Canadian show can flesh out its world enough or end up with every planet being the same quarry in Toronto/Vancouver whichever one it's made at.
    So you've seen Stargate then? Those canadian forests pull some hard work as nearly every planet in 3 galaxies.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,690
    Pulpstar said:

    No EU vote on the same day as the locals next year. Good decision.

    Are you applauding that because you think it's more democratic or because you reckon probably lower turnout may well help Out/No win ;p ?
    As always I support things I think are more democratic. It is why I oppose PR even though it would help the party I support. It is also why I believe there should be a referendum on EU membership rather than just taking us out after a vote in Parliament.

    This is an important constitutional issue - just as the Scottish referendum was - and it should be decided by people voting on the issue rather the tacked on the back of the local elections.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417
    Sandpit said:

    JEO said:

    I see the Conservative leadership has said they will "amend" the purdah rules to ban mailshots to households. This really is not good enough. The problem is not mailshots, but mass media coverage after the government releases taxpayer-funded reports and papers backing one side in the referendum. This is what must be controlled, or the referendum will not be seen as impartial. That will cause eurosceptics to demand a re-run under fair rules, and understandably so.

    Genuine question, do the TV and radio broadcast rules on impartiality automatically apply in the official referendum campaign period as they would for an election, or is this provision part of the legislation currently on its way through Parliament?
    Impartiality is going to be a very tough ask as everyone has a considerable amount of skin in the game. Whitehall I believe is pro Union, pro EU... the No campaign will face alot of the same institutional bias that the Nats did.

    The direction of the papers will be important too, particularly the Mail Online... I think that's the most important these days.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Pulpstar said:

    TGOHF said:

    People still haven't laid off Khan bets ? Wow.

    I'm sure his price has shortened every time you've mentioned burning the betslips, Harry :D

    Anyway I'm on Jowell, Goldsmith, Lammy (Small saver), the Tory field too :P
    Trying to think of the circumstances at which Khan is good value at 3/1

    Nope....
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,223
    Pulpstar said:

    No EU vote on the same day as the locals next year. Good decision.

    Are you applauding that because you think it's more democratic or because you reckon probably lower turnout may well help Out/No win ;p ?
    I'd have thought it would make little difference to the turnout - unless it's held in November. If anything, the locals would have had a turnout boost with the referendum on the same day.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417
    TGOHF said:

    Pulpstar said:

    TGOHF said:

    People still haven't laid off Khan bets ? Wow.

    I'm sure his price has shortened every time you've mentioned burning the betslips, Harry :D

    Anyway I'm on Jowell, Goldsmith, Lammy (Small saver), the Tory field too :P
    Trying to think of the circumstances at which Khan is good value at 3/1

    Nope....
    Well if he is the Labour candidate it certainly is value. The question is how do you price up who to be Labour candidate.

    Do Lammy, Abbot and the other rags have a realistic chance ?

    Should Jowell be ahead of Khan ?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417
    tlg86 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    No EU vote on the same day as the locals next year. Good decision.

    Are you applauding that because you think it's more democratic or because you reckon probably lower turnout may well help Out/No win ;p ?
    I'd have thought it would make little difference to the turnout - unless it's held in November. If anything, the locals would have had a turnout boost with the referendum on the same day.
    The Scottish turnout would be higher, and also London - those are two of the most pro EU areas. It's marginal but not having it on May 5th helps Out slightly.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417
    Bookies can call "House" if Gleneagles gets turned over here.
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Trump for Prez..
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,713
    edited June 2015
    O/T - but what does commenting on the UK government's migration policy have to do with Save the Children?

    "Away from the Commons, the charity Save the Children has called on the government to offer refuge to its "fair share" of migrants who have arrived in Italy and Greece. It says Britain should home at least 1,500 of the children who have arrived unaccompanied in Italy. Its chief executive Justin Forsyth said:

    The numbers being proposed are very small in comparison to the overall scale. The neighbouring countries are taking a huge burden so I think that the rest of Europe should be more generous.""

    I can see the case for StC wanting all children to receive adequate care and attention, but shouldn't his comment be more that 'we don't take a view on migration policy at the UK or EU government level, but we do think that all unaccompanied children in our care should be adequately accommodated and looked after until more permanent arrangements can be found and we urge all governments to ensure this is included in their plans. We should also not be blind to the plight of children in their home countries who did not successfully arrive in Europe and would urge governments not to forget them either."

    I see Justin Forsyth is a former spin doctor for Gordon Brown, and has not been shy of ultra political charitable activity in the past:

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/03/justin-forsyth-has-far-more-to-apologise-for-than-tony-blairs-award-from-save-the-children/

    I find it really hard to donate to partisan charities like this now. Sadly, there are far too many of them.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,952
    rcs1000 said:

    Tsipiras speech in Athens: "IMF has a criminal responsibility for Greek situation"

    Looks like Greece is leaving the Euro this weekend then, with Tsipiras flailing round for a bogeyman to blame.....
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    Donald Trump announces he'll run for the White House in the 2016 US presidential election
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417
    Can you imagine the US-UK relations if Corbyn was PM and Trump President xD ?!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417
    New Fred for President Trump, Shorely !
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    This seems like incredibly shoddy journalism from the Sunday Times on the Snowden story. The reporter was interviewed about his piece and asked how he confirmed the story, and he just said:

    "Um... well... I don't know the answer to that, George. Um.... All we know is that... um... this is effectively the official position of the British government. Um.... we picked up on it... um... a while ago. And we've been working on it and trying to stand it up through multiple sources. And when we approached the British government late last week with our evidence, they confirmed, effectively, what you read today in the Sunday Times."

    https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150615/11565531344/reporter-who-wrote-sunday-times-snowden-propaganda-admits-that-hes-just-writing-what-uk-govt-told-him.shtml
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Go Trump...Talking to our American friends and family..they seem to think Trump stands a good chance.. he certainly appeals to the grass roots and disenfranchised .
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Pulpstar said:

    Can you imagine the US-UK relations if Corbyn was PM and Trump President xD ?!

    Marine Le Pen would make it a hat-trick.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417

    they seem to think Trump stands a good chance..

    Can you point them in the direction of Betfair :) ?
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    Go Trump...Talking to our American friends and family..they seem to think Trump stands a good chance.. he certainly appeals to the grass roots and disenfranchised .

    Trump has no chance. He is a laughing stock outside his paid flunkies. He might appeal to non-voters.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,952

    Pulpstar said:

    Can you imagine the US-UK relations if Corbyn was PM and Trump President xD ?!

    Marine Le Pen would make it a hat-trick.
    I'm imagining the 3 of them at a summit with Putin....
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Pulpstar said:

    TGOHF said:

    Pulpstar said:

    TGOHF said:

    People still haven't laid off Khan bets ? Wow.

    I'm sure his price has shortened every time you've mentioned burning the betslips, Harry :D

    Anyway I'm on Jowell, Goldsmith, Lammy (Small saver), the Tory field too :P
    Trying to think of the circumstances at which Khan is good value at 3/1

    Nope....
    Well if he is the Labour candidate it certainly is value. The question is how do you price up who to be Labour candidate.

    Do Lammy, Abbot and the other rags have a realistic chance ?

    Should Jowell be ahead of Khan ?
    Lammy is probably the best value of the Labourites, Jowell should be the strong Labour favourite.

    If by some miracle Labour were stupid enough to pick Khan - he would be thrashed by Zak.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,388
    edited June 2015
    Plato said:

    OT anyone seen Black Swan from 2010? It's got super reviews. I missed it, but imdb recommended it as I love Lost Girl.

    I saw Black Swan... I found it quite good, though it's rather abstract... But Natalie Portman is very good...
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Go Trump...Talking to our American friends and family..they seem to think Trump stands a good chance.. he certainly appeals to the grass roots and disenfranchised .

    Disenfranchised is code for non-voters. Appealing to them is electoral suicide.
  • I find it really hard to donate to partisan charities like this now. Sadly, there are far too many of them.

    Someone with a sufficient interest in the matter ought to apply for an injunction to restrain this sort of political activity. As Hoffmann J (as he then was) stated in Webb v O'Doherty (1 February 1991):
    There is ... a clear distinction between the discussion of political matters, or the acquisition of information which may have a political content, and a campaign on a political issue. There is no doubt that campaigning, in the sense of seeking to influence public opinion on political matters, is not a charitable activity.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,968
    Mr. Thompson, reminds me of Miliband meeting Brand.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,871
    MTimT said:

    Go Trump...Talking to our American friends and family..they seem to think Trump stands a good chance.. he certainly appeals to the grass roots and disenfranchised .

    Trump has no chance. He is a laughing stock outside his paid flunkies. He might appeal to non-voters.
    I favour him as a candidate. My impression is that he's a powerful man in his own right, unlike Obama, Hillary etc. who are very much in the pocket of their sponsors, which is why I think so much effort has been put in to make him the laughingstock you describe.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417
    If by some miracle Trump gets the nomination it might be worth looking at the Democrat odds on some reasonably deep red states. Hillary will be backable at pretty much any price for POTUS too.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,569
    Pulpstar said:

    TGOHF said:

    Pulpstar said:

    TGOHF said:

    People still haven't laid off Khan bets ? Wow.

    I'm sure his price has shortened every time you've mentioned burning the betslips, Harry :D

    Anyway I'm on Jowell, Goldsmith, Lammy (Small saver), the Tory field too :P
    Trying to think of the circumstances at which Khan is good value at 3/1

    Nope....
    Well if he is the Labour candidate it certainly is value. The question is how do you price up who to be Labour candidate.

    Do Lammy, Abbot and the other rags have a realistic chance ?

    Should Jowell be ahead of Khan ?
    Nobody has a realistic chance of the Labour nomination except Jowell and Khan. An important point that non-Labour punters may not realise - the number of nominations indicates little between them. Because of the way selection works, they've not really been tested against each other - Jowell mopped up most CLPs merely by beating Abbott, and the CLPs generally then picked Khan as best of the rest.

    I think it's a toss-up myself - that poll will help Jowell, but most members IMO probably slightly prefer Khan (TGOHF is not a good subsample of Labour members). I'd think he ought to be about 2-1 or 9-4 overall to win the Mayoralty, with Jowell on 7-4.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Nigel making friends in Guernsey:

    http://guernseypress.com/news/2015/06/16/ukip-leader-sails-into-town/

    Incidentally, the two buildings in the background are the closest a pub comes to a church in the British Isles......
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,871
    JEO said:

    This seems like incredibly shoddy journalism from the Sunday Times on the Snowden story. The reporter was interviewed about his piece and asked how he confirmed the story, and he just said:

    "Um... well... I don't know the answer to that, George. Um.... All we know is that... um... this is effectively the official position of the British government. Um.... we picked up on it... um... a while ago. And we've been working on it and trying to stand it up through multiple sources. And when we approached the British government late last week with our evidence, they confirmed, effectively, what you read today in the Sunday Times."

    https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150615/11565531344/reporter-who-wrote-sunday-times-snowden-propaganda-admits-that-hes-just-writing-what-uk-govt-told-him.shtml

    'We just publish what we believe to be the position of the British Government.'

    Worth repeating again and again till people listen. On Syria, on Ukraine, on Russia. What we read in our 'free press' isn't to be trusted - indeed it's dangerous to do so. Not figuratively dangerous either, it is warmongering propaganda that's leading us down a path that ends in armed conflict.


  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    MTimT said:

    Go Trump...Talking to our American friends and family..they seem to think Trump stands a good chance.. he certainly appeals to the grass roots and disenfranchised .

    Trump has no chance. He is a laughing stock outside his paid flunkies. He might appeal to non-voters.
    I favour him as a candidate. My impression is that he's a powerful man in his own right, unlike Obama, Hillary etc. who are very much in the pocket of their sponsors, which is why I think so much effort has been put in to make him the laughingstock you describe.
    I think the main thing that's made Trump a laughing stock is Trump.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    kle4 said:

    Dair said:

    Plato said:

    I'm watching new summer releases for Humans, Dark Matter and Proof. You seen any yet?

    I loved Mr Robot and can't wait for E2

    kle4 said:

    Right, now that we've established Gul Dukat's role in the Cardassian Empire, I must be off.

    If I recall, keeping to the fantasy/sci-fi convention of trying to limit to only one kingdom/empire/confederation/etc at a time, it was termed the Cardassian Union officially, though like most non Federation 'empires' other than the freed Bajorans I don't know if any other species supposedly within its space ever appeared.

    Ok, enough Star Trek.

    No odds for 'capitalist pigdogs'?

    'Tory deception' seems a possibility to me, given the comfort blanket of it that has been intermittently used.
    Dark Matter seems pretty good. Nice twist at the end of the pilot which I hadn't expected and sets things up for some interesting storylines.

    Only question is whether a Canadian show can flesh out its world enough or end up with every planet being the same quarry in Toronto/Vancouver whichever one it's made at.
    So you've seen Stargate then? Those canadian forests pull some hard work as nearly every planet in 3 galaxies.
    It really is the killer for any mid-budget show of this type. Although to be fair, even big budget shows tend to restrict themselves in such a way. I guess it at least looks better than a Sound Stage - even today.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    JEO said:

    This seems like incredibly shoddy journalism from the Sunday Times on the Snowden story. The reporter was interviewed about his piece and asked how he confirmed the story, and he just said:

    "Um... well... I don't know the answer to that, George. Um.... All we know is that... um... this is effectively the official position of the British government. Um.... we picked up on it... um... a while ago. And we've been working on it and trying to stand it up through multiple sources. And when we approached the British government late last week with our evidence, they confirmed, effectively, what you read today in the Sunday Times."

    https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150615/11565531344/reporter-who-wrote-sunday-times-snowden-propaganda-admits-that-hes-just-writing-what-uk-govt-told-him.shtml

    On Syria, on Ukraine, on Russia. What we read in our 'free press' isn't to be trusted
    Less trustworthy than Russia Today?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,662

    MTimT said:

    Go Trump...Talking to our American friends and family..they seem to think Trump stands a good chance.. he certainly appeals to the grass roots and disenfranchised .

    Trump has no chance. He is a laughing stock outside his paid flunkies. He might appeal to non-voters.
    I favour him as a candidate. My impression is that he's a powerful man in his own right, unlike Obama, Hillary etc. who are very much in the pocket of their sponsors, which is why I think so much effort has been put in to make him the laughingstock you describe.
    I think the main thing that's made Trump a laughing stock is Trump.
    Trump was born incredibly rich. And his exertions have made him... about as rich as he was when he was born. Despite being leveraged and long through the greatest property boom in history.
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