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edited June 2015 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Ladbrokes Buzzword Bingo on tomorrow’s Labour leadership debate – while YouGov London Mayor poll will bring cheer to Dame Tessa Jowell

At times it feels these types of markets exist purely to contribute to the Bookies Christmas bonus fund, but I quite like Edstone at 2/1 given the prominence it was given during the campaign and afterwards, you get the feeling at least one the leadership contenders will mention it in tomorrow night’s BBC debate.

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  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,234
    edited June 2015
    1.

    I'd rather vote Galloway than Jowell. But I don't have a vote this time.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Surely that old favourite 'up and down the country'?

    (And why isn't it 'down and up the country'...?)
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    edited June 2015
    I think "Edstone" may be too colloquially insulting for the candidates to use that precise term.

    Nothing makes that much appeal - maybe "on the doorstep" @ evens?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,712
    Scott_P said:
    @JoeMurphyLondon: First Big @YouGov Poll for 2016 Mayoral race... Zac Goldsmith would LOSE to Tessa Jowell, but DRAW with Sadiq Khan http://t.co/mpnzSO4UKY

    I'd take Jowell over Khan any day of the week.

    The most bizzare thing in that article is George Galloway proposing a Battle of Britain weekend to recreate the spirit of the Blitz.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    The buzzword bingo market looks like a War Games scenario (the only way to win is not to play).
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    The Khan / Jowell race remains intriguing on the markets. There's £400 looking to back Sadiq at 3.6 on betfair while some bookies are still 7/2.
  • handandmousehandandmouse Posts: 213
    I assume it has to be those exact words? So "I don't usually agree with Jeremy, but on this..." (As suggested by another commentator yesterday) wouldn't count?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,712
    'I agree with Jeremy' is an awful price. Quite apart from any of the candidates actually agreeing with what he's likely to say, it's a dated cliche from over 5 years ago now. I'd want 5/1.

    I'd have thought 'hard choices' a good bet.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    'I agree with Jeremy' is an awful price. Quite apart from any of the candidates actually agreeing with what he's likely to say, it's a dated cliche from over 5 years ago now. I'd want 5/1.

    I'd have thought 'hard choices' a good bet.

    As Dan Hodges (PBUH) put it yesterday:

    As the debate unfolds, Jeremy Corbyn will become the new Nick Clegg. “I agree with Nick”, will become the catchphrase of the contest. Actually, it will be more subtly phrased. “I don’t usually agree with Jeremy, but I have to say that on this…”
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    Scott_P said:
    @JoeMurphyLondon: First Big @YouGov Poll for 2016 Mayoral race... Zac Goldsmith would LOSE to Tessa Jowell, but DRAW with Sadiq Khan http://t.co/mpnzSO4UKY

    I'd take Jowell over Khan any day of the week.

    The most bizzare thing in that article is George Galloway proposing a Battle of Britain weekend to recreate the spirit of the Blitz.

    Which side would he be rooting for?
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Buzzword Bingo.

    As there are no odds available, I take it every candidate will avoid mentioning ED..!
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JoeWatts_: Labour mayor contender Sadiq Khan rejects third runway at Heathrow http://t.co/dzNVQv4BnX by @JoeMurphyLondon
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Of the bigger prices (not pictured) above, you could make a case for "Five Year Plan" at 5/1 and even "Socialist Paradise" at 16/1 - if I were Liz Kendall I'd be lumping on that and working it in to my spiel...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591

    Right, now that we've established Gul Dukat's role in the Cardassian Empire, I must be off.

    If I recall, keeping to the fantasy/sci-fi convention of trying to limit to only one kingdom/empire/confederation/etc at a time, it was termed the Cardassian Union officially, though like most non Federation 'empires' other than the freed Bajorans I don't know if any other species supposedly within its space ever appeared.

    Ok, enough Star Trek.

    No odds for 'capitalist pigdogs'?

    'Tory deception' seems a possibility to me, given the comfort blanket of it that has been intermittently used.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454

    'I agree with Jeremy' is an awful price. Quite apart from any of the candidates actually agreeing with what he's likely to say, it's a dated cliche from over 5 years ago now. I'd want 5/1.

    I'd have thought 'hard choices' a good bet.

    I mocked up a bingo card for the election debates.

    You'd be suprised how many variations there are on hard/tough/difficult decisions/choices etc.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,712

    'I agree with Jeremy' is an awful price. Quite apart from any of the candidates actually agreeing with what he's likely to say, it's a dated cliche from over 5 years ago now. I'd want 5/1.

    I'd have thought 'hard choices' a good bet.

    As Dan Hodges (PBUH) put it yesterday:

    As the debate unfolds, Jeremy Corbyn will become the new Nick Clegg. “I agree with Nick”, will become the catchphrase of the contest. Actually, it will be more subtly phrased. “I don’t usually agree with Jeremy, but I have to say that on this…”
    In which case, you'd lose the bet. It only pays out on the use of the exact phrase.

    Shadsy is (quite reasonably, IMHO) playing it safe here and trying to recoup some of his losses from the GE, and show Ladbrokes politicalbetting can be profitable for his firm.

    Fair enough, but I'm not playing.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    Can you imagine if we had an entire debate and no candidate mentioned immigration?!

    How long do they speak for?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417
    Better deals at Royal Ascot if you keep your eye open than any of those bookie bonuses above.
  • DisraeliDisraeli Posts: 1,106
    Missing off the list:
    - I'm sure that Jeremy will mention "Tory Cuts"
    - One of the Ladies may say something about "Woman Leader"
    - "Need for a debate" will also be mentioned.
    - Swallow the Tory Manifesto

    and of course,
    - PB.com say that....


    BTW did the last thread set a record for remaining on topic for the longest time?
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,932
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,712
    antifrank said:

    Scott_P said:
    @JoeMurphyLondon: First Big @YouGov Poll for 2016 Mayoral race... Zac Goldsmith would LOSE to Tessa Jowell, but DRAW with Sadiq Khan http://t.co/mpnzSO4UKY

    I'd take Jowell over Khan any day of the week.

    The most bizzare thing in that article is George Galloway proposing a Battle of Britain weekend to recreate the spirit of the Blitz.

    Which side would he be rooting for?
    Haha!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,150
    AICIPM
    JICIPM
    LICIPM
    YICIPM

    :lol:
  • FlightpathlFlightpathl Posts: 1,243
    'golden boy'? I fear you are getting carried away.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    Can you imagine if we had an entire debate and no candidate mentioned immigration?!

    How long do they speak for?

    That would be like giving a conference speech and not mentioning the deficit. Unthinkable.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    antifrank said:

    Scott_P said:
    @JoeMurphyLondon: First Big @YouGov Poll for 2016 Mayoral race... Zac Goldsmith would LOSE to Tessa Jowell, but DRAW with Sadiq Khan http://t.co/mpnzSO4UKY

    I'd take Jowell over Khan any day of the week.

    The most bizzare thing in that article is George Galloway proposing a Battle of Britain weekend to recreate the spirit of the Blitz.

    Which side would he be rooting for?
    Hopefully the Royal Air Force. The Luftwaffe are a bad lot, and even second time around best left unbacked.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417
    "SNP" is a classic bad 1-5, the candidates might well say "Scottish Nationalists" instead...
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,234
    Scott_P said:

    @JoeWatts_: Labour mayor contender Sadiq Khan rejects third runway at Heathrow http://t.co/dzNVQv4BnX by @JoeMurphyLondon

    I agree with Sadiq!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,150
    Pulpstar said:

    "SNP" is a classic bad 1-5, the candidates might well say "Scottish Nationalists" instead...

    Will "David Starkey" get a mention?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,150
    Scott_P said:

    @JoeWatts_: Labour mayor contender Sadiq Khan rejects third runway at Heathrow http://t.co/dzNVQv4BnX by @JoeMurphyLondon

    http://www.gatwickobviously.com/?gclid=CPOg_e-TlMYCFYPHtAodkVsAzQ
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,978

    Of the bigger prices (not pictured) above, you could make a case for "Five Year Plan" at 5/1 and even "Socialist Paradise" at 16/1 - if I were Liz Kendall I'd be lumping on that and working it in to my spiel...

    I've updated the image, with the full list now
  • handandmousehandandmouse Posts: 213
    Having now seen the longer-odds ones, "we spent too much" stands out at 5/1. It depends how the relevant question (and I'm confident there'll be a relevant question) is phrased.

    I wouldn't be surprised to hear a candidate utter those four words in that order, even if it's to say something like: "It'd be too simplistic to say we spent too much, in fact... lower debt/GDP ratio than under Major... banking crisis...".
  • FlightpathlFlightpathl Posts: 1,243
    'Tory austerity' surely ought to be a nailed in certainty. 'Equality' is only one word but it is also likely to be endlessly repeated.
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    After Ed Miliband's poor performance in the last election, Labour would have to be crazy to put another union-backed leftist up for London Mayor. Khan's divisive racial politics is what led Labour to the trouble they got into in Tower Hamlets, so it would not make much sense to repeat that city-wide.
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    edited June 2015
    Could someone inform Salmond that the Government of GB speaks for GB...and there will be a referendum re the EU..Even Scots will have one vote..one man
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,302
    It would be a brave bookie who offered such a market if Penny Mordaunt were a runner.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,150
    O/T Ilford and Romford (along with the other Great Eastern Main Line stations out to Shenfield) are now on the Tube map, with new TfL signage.

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ilford_station_signage_2015_01.JPG
    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Romford_station_signage_2015.JPG
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Not much value there.

    Has Labour got a stock of microwaves that they need to clear out? What is the story behind that one? I though it was just owls...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    Disraeli said:

    Missing off the list:
    - I'm sure that Jeremy will mention "Tory Cuts"
    - One of the Ladies may say something about "Woman Leader"
    - "Need for a debate" will also be mentioned.
    - Swallow the Tory Manifesto

    and of course,
    - PB.com say that....


    BTW did the last thread set a record for remaining on topic for the longest time?

    Not a hard record to beat, in fairness.

    'Tory cuts' is a definite, I'd agree with that. 'Callous Tories' or something from Jeremy seem slikely, but too many variations are possible to guess, unless he has a catch phrase.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    It would be a brave bookie who offered such a market if Penny Mordaunt were a runner.

    It would be a right cock up.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JoeWatts_: Labour leadership candidate Jeremy Corbyn says Britain HAS moved left and is ready for "radical" policies http://t.co/XdsVZCYJMf
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,978

    Not much value there.

    Has Labour got a stock of microwaves that they need to clear out? What is the story behind that one? I though it was just owls...


    Still, the early signs about Miliband’s electoral instincts were not good. In the weeks before the European elections that May, Miliband’s pitch to the public remained mostly incoherent.

    On 15 May, a week before the vote, Miliband met with David Axelrod – Barack Obama’s chief campaign adviser, who had signed on as a consultant to the Labour campaign for an astronomical fee – at Corrigan’s, an upscale Mayfair restaurant. During the meal, Beales was fielding calls from Miliband, who was still asking him to think of a slogan for the remaining week of the European election campaign;

    Axelrod was appalled by the low quality of the ideas being discussed, which he derisively characterised as “Vote Labour and win a microwave”.

    http://bit.ly/1KangD7
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    'White Van man' and 'respect' being in the same sentance?

    "Transformational Dynamism' I've got a feeling one of them will try for some stupid jargony catchphrase to encompass their views, you see.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,712

    Can you imagine if we had an entire debate and no candidate mentioned immigration?!

    How long do they speak for?

    That would be like giving a conference speech and not mentioning the deficit. Unthinkable.
    Are Ladbrokes offering odds for at least one of the candidates hiding in their room and not coming out if it doesn't go to plan?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,036

    It would be a brave bookie who offered such a market if Penny Mordaunt were a runner.

    LOL
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Not much value there.

    Has Labour got a stock of microwaves that they need to clear out? What is the story behind that one? I though it was just owls...


    Still, the early signs about Miliband’s electoral instincts were not good. In the weeks before the European elections that May, Miliband’s pitch to the public remained mostly incoherent.

    On 15 May, a week before the vote, Miliband met with David Axelrod – Barack Obama’s chief campaign adviser, who had signed on as a consultant to the Labour campaign for an astronomical fee – at Corrigan’s, an upscale Mayfair restaurant. During the meal, Beales was fielding calls from Miliband, who was still asking him to think of a slogan for the remaining week of the European election campaign;

    Axelrod was appalled by the low quality of the ideas being discussed, which he derisively characterised as “Vote Labour and win a microwave”.

    http://bit.ly/1KangD7
    Axelrod was pretty ineffective himself, but no one could make a silk purse out of the sow's ear that was the Labour policy unit.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    I've gone for 'on the doorstep' and 'learn the lessons'.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417
    edited June 2015

    It would be a brave bookie who offered such a market if Penny Mordaunt were a runner.

    It would be a right cock up.
    Portsmouth North won't be 1-2 again at the next GE :E
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I'm watching new summer releases for Humans, Dark Matter and Proof. You seen any yet?

    I loved Mr Robot and can't wait for E2
    kle4 said:

    Right, now that we've established Gul Dukat's role in the Cardassian Empire, I must be off.

    If I recall, keeping to the fantasy/sci-fi convention of trying to limit to only one kingdom/empire/confederation/etc at a time, it was termed the Cardassian Union officially, though like most non Federation 'empires' other than the freed Bajorans I don't know if any other species supposedly within its space ever appeared.

    Ok, enough Star Trek.

    No odds for 'capitalist pigdogs'?

    'Tory deception' seems a possibility to me, given the comfort blanket of it that has been intermittently used.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417

    I've gone for 'on the doorstep' and 'learn the lessons'.

    'Learn the lessons' - arf. A very appropriate phrase for Buzzword Bingo :D
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822

    The Khan / Jowell race remains intriguing on the markets. There's £400 looking to back Sadiq at 3.6 on betfair while some bookies are still 7/2.

    Yes, there has been a curious disconnect between the bookies' odds and the Betfair odds, for all three of the main candidates. Betfair punters seem much less keen on Tessa than the bookies, and the other way round for Sadiq.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,036

    I think "Edstone" may be too colloquially insulting for the candidates to use that precise term.

    Yes, would be like Tories referring to "Bedroom Tax". The candidates may refer to the mess that was Labour's campaign but won't use that phrase.

    "Hard Working Families" (are there any other sort?), "Learn the Lessons" and maybe "Hard Choices" & "Tough Decisions" although the latter two could be mixed up with each other.

    SNP and Immigration at 1/5 might be worth a pile in, or might just be Shadsy's summer bonus.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Pulpstar said:

    I've gone for 'on the doorstep' and 'learn the lessons'.

    'Learn the lessons' - arf. A very appropriate phrase for Buzzword Bingo :D
    Following an ignominious defeat 5-0 on the first of the pre-election debates, I made up the lost ground on the second and third, and ended up in profit. Phew.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454

    I've gone for 'on the doorstep' and 'learn the lessons'.


    "On the doorstep" quite a flexible phrase - "what I heard on the doorstep", "didn't go down well on the doorstep" etc.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,150
    Sandpit said:

    I think "Edstone" may be too colloquially insulting for the candidates to use that precise term.

    Yes, would be like Tories referring to "Bedroom Tax". The candidates may refer to the mess that was Labour's campaign but won't use that phrase.

    "Hard Working Families" (are there any other sort?), "Learn the Lessons" and maybe "Hard Choices" & "Tough Decisions" although the latter two could be mixed up with each other.

    SNP and Immigration at 1/5 might be worth a pile in, or might just be Shadsy's summer bonus.
    "Hard-working singletons"?

    :lol:
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,870

    Not much value there.

    Has Labour got a stock of microwaves that they need to clear out? What is the story behind that one? I though it was just owls...


    Still, the early signs about Miliband’s electoral instincts were not good. In the weeks before the European elections that May, Miliband’s pitch to the public remained mostly incoherent.

    On 15 May, a week before the vote, Miliband met with David Axelrod – Barack Obama’s chief campaign adviser, who had signed on as a consultant to the Labour campaign for an astronomical fee – at Corrigan’s, an upscale Mayfair restaurant. During the meal, Beales was fielding calls from Miliband, who was still asking him to think of a slogan for the remaining week of the European election campaign;

    Axelrod was appalled by the low quality of the ideas being discussed, which he derisively characterised as “Vote Labour and win a microwave”.

    http://bit.ly/1KangD7
    Obviously not familiar with left wing politics.

  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    There's a good report here on "purdah" and when it should apply. It seems very clear that the principles of it should apply to the EU referendum:

    http://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/SN05262
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,036
    For a right-wing libertarian, Guido seems awfully keen on Mr Corbyn. ;)
    http://order-order.com/2015/06/16/broad-early-support-for-corbyn/
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,150
    Sandpit said:

    For a right-wing libertarian, Guido seems awfully keen on Mr Corbyn. ;)
    http://order-order.com/2015/06/16/broad-early-support-for-corbyn/

    JICIPM :)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417
    Sandpit said:

    For a right-wing libertarian, Guido seems awfully keen on Mr Corbyn. ;)
    http://order-order.com/2015/06/16/broad-early-support-for-corbyn/

    Corbyn has a tremendously broad chruch that may well vote for him in the election.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,978
    How awesome is Dan Hodges (PBUH) slapping down Owen Jones

    Jones: “You’ve never, ever, ever, ever come up with a single constructive policy proposal about what you’d like to see Labour doing. You don’t add anything constructive to the debate. What does Dan Hodges stand for?”

    Hodges: “Actually, I did Owen. I said look at what Ed Miliband’s doing and do the opposite.”

    http://bit.ly/1Tq5gbK
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,036

    Sandpit said:

    I think "Edstone" may be too colloquially insulting for the candidates to use that precise term.

    Yes, would be like Tories referring to "Bedroom Tax". The candidates may refer to the mess that was Labour's campaign but won't use that phrase.

    "Hard Working Families" (are there any other sort?), "Learn the Lessons" and maybe "Hard Choices" & "Tough Decisions" although the latter two could be mixed up with each other.

    SNP and Immigration at 1/5 might be worth a pile in, or might just be Shadsy's summer bonus.
    "Hard-working singletons"?

    :lol:
    No chance! It used to wind me up no end before I married to hear Brown go on and on about HWF, while I was paying 40% in income tax and consuming almost no govt services that I didn't have to pay other taxes for!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,712
    Plato said:

    I'm watching new summer releases for Humans, Dark Matter and Proof. You seen any yet?

    I loved Mr Robot and can't wait for E2

    kle4 said:

    Right, now that we've established Gul Dukat's role in the Cardassian Empire, I must be off.

    If I recall, keeping to the fantasy/sci-fi convention of trying to limit to only one kingdom/empire/confederation/etc at a time, it was termed the Cardassian Union officially, though like most non Federation 'empires' other than the freed Bajorans I don't know if any other species supposedly within its space ever appeared.

    Ok, enough Star Trek.

    No odds for 'capitalist pigdogs'?

    'Tory deception' seems a possibility to me, given the comfort blanket of it that has been intermittently used.
    Humans started well, but even half-way through the first episode it became depressingly predictable. All about the usual 'machines have started thinking for themselves, and are dangerous' and are going to rebel angle.

    The more interesting (but much more disturbing) angle would be to keep them passive and subservient to their original programming but increasingly sentinent. Then to show how, in reality, such 'synths' would become widely physically, verbally and sexually abused and exploited. In fact, some might be bought for that purpose alone.

    Having an exploitable 'slave' - all behind closed doors - can bring out the very worst and most base instincts of humanity.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417
    JCWNBPM ?!
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    I see on ladbrokes that 16/1 for the London mayor to be other than Lab/Con/LD. This would cover Respect (or Gorgeous George as an independent), Greens, Kippers (would Farage be tempted?) and any other high profile independent.

    Any thoughts?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,150

    Not much value there.

    Has Labour got a stock of microwaves that they need to clear out? What is the story behind that one? I though it was just owls...


    Still, the early signs about Miliband’s electoral instincts were not good. In the weeks before the European elections that May, Miliband’s pitch to the public remained mostly incoherent.

    On 15 May, a week before the vote, Miliband met with David Axelrod – Barack Obama’s chief campaign adviser, who had signed on as a consultant to the Labour campaign for an astronomical fee – at Corrigan’s, an upscale Mayfair restaurant. During the meal, Beales was fielding calls from Miliband, who was still asking him to think of a slogan for the remaining week of the European election campaign;

    Axelrod was appalled by the low quality of the ideas being discussed, which he derisively characterised as “Vote Labour and win a microwave”.

    http://bit.ly/1KangD7
    NMR spectrometers operate at microwave frequencies (eg. 500 MHz) :)
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    Pulpstar said:

    I've gone for 'on the doorstep' and 'learn the lessons'.

    'Learn the lessons' - arf. A very appropriate phrase for Buzzword Bingo :D
    "Learn the lessons" and "hear the voters' concerns" are generally code for "we want to say something about this issue but not actually do anything on it".
  • FlightpathlFlightpathl Posts: 1,243
    Come back Patrick O'Flynn, all is forgiven?
    Not.
    And no guessing what Farage's favorite song is,
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Man_Band_(song)
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454

    I see on ladbrokes that 16/1 for the London mayor to be other than Lab/Con/LD. This would cover Respect (or Gorgeous George as an independent), Greens, Kippers (would Farage be tempted?) and any other high profile independent.

    Any thoughts?

    Don't be fooled into thinking UKIP have even a 1% chance! That leaves Galloway, who is 33/1 personally, Greens or another independent. Greens would really struggle if Goldsmith is the Tory (they've come close to backing him!) and no independent is currently on the horizon - though plenty of time for that to change.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,036

    I see on ladbrokes that 16/1 for the London mayor to be other than Lab/Con/LD. This would cover Respect (or Gorgeous George as an independent), Greens, Kippers (would Farage be tempted?) and any other high profile independent.

    Any thoughts?

    Given that the first London mayor was an independent, it has to be a possibility. 16/1 sounds a little tight but it might be a useful trading bet if someone throws their hat in the ring nearer the time.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,150
    Pulpstar said:

    JCWNBPM ?!

    AICIPM
    JICIPM
    LICIPM
    YICIPM

    :lol:
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,036

    How awesome is Dan Hodges (PBUH) slapping down Owen Jones

    Jones: “You’ve never, ever, ever, ever come up with a single constructive policy proposal about what you’d like to see Labour doing. You don’t add anything constructive to the debate. What does Dan Hodges stand for?”

    Hodges: “Actually, I did Owen. I said look at what Ed Miliband’s doing and do the opposite.”

    http://bit.ly/1Tq5gbK

    How many Labour members and voters (as opposed to the vociferous Twittersphere students) actually think that Owen Jones is right and Dan Hodges wrong?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    Come back Patrick O'Flynn, all is forgiven?
    Not.
    And no guessing what Farage's favorite song is,
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Man_Band_(song)
    The whole episode sounds like an extra verse of Unbreak My Heart.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Come back Patrick O'Flynn, all is forgiven?
    Not.
    And no guessing what Farage's favorite song is,
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Man_Band_(song)
    It's my party and I'll sack if I want to!

    Kim Jong Farage knows his own.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    Sandpit said:

    I see on ladbrokes that 16/1 for the London mayor to be other than Lab/Con/LD. This would cover Respect (or Gorgeous George as an independent), Greens, Kippers (would Farage be tempted?) and any other high profile independent.

    Any thoughts?

    Given that the first London mayor was an independent, it has to be a possibility. 16/1 sounds a little tight but it might be a useful trading bet if someone throws their hat in the ring nearer the time.
    That's a point. There is a man capable of winning this as an independent, but he's backing Khan.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,978
    antifrank said:

    Come back Patrick O'Flynn, all is forgiven?
    Not.
    And no guessing what Farage's favorite song is,
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Man_Band_(song)
    The whole episode sounds like an extra verse of Unbreak My Heart.
    I'm just waiting for Sepp Blatter to unresign and publish my piece which is basically

    UKIP = FIFA

    Farage = Blatter
  • FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    President Vladimir Putin says Russia will add more than 40 intercontinental ballistic missiles to its nuclear arsenal in 2015.

    Speaking at an arms fair, Mr Putin said the weapons would be able to overcome even the most technically advanced anti-missile defence systems.

    It comes after the US proposed increasing its military presence in Nato states in Eastern Europe.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-33151125
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Having a quick look at a number of International news channels today... and it would appear that one half of the worlds population is trying to kill the other half....all in the name of religion...what a pathetically stupid species the Human race is
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417
    Financier said:

    President Vladimir Putin says Russia will add more than 40 intercontinental ballistic missiles to its nuclear arsenal in 2015.

    Speaking at an arms fair, Mr Putin said the weapons would be able to overcome even the most technically advanced anti-missile defence systems.

    It comes after the US proposed increasing its military presence in Nato states in Eastern Europe.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-33151125

    Putin is in pretty good health, at 62 he's probably got at least another 20 years ruling Russia.

    Cold War II on the way.
  • BannedInParisBannedInParis Posts: 2,191

    How awesome is Dan Hodges (PBUH) slapping down Owen Jones

    Jones: “You’ve never, ever, ever, ever come up with a single constructive policy proposal about what you’d like to see Labour doing. You don’t add anything constructive to the debate. What does Dan Hodges stand for?”

    Hodges: “Actually, I did Owen. I said look at what Ed Miliband’s doing and do the opposite.”

    http://bit.ly/1Tq5gbK

    I genuinely don't get why sensible broadcasters are giving any oxygen of publicity to Owen Jones, a child who has been consistently wrong for 5 years and counting.
  • BannedInParisBannedInParis Posts: 2,191

    Not much value there.

    Has Labour got a stock of microwaves that they need to clear out? What is the story behind that one? I though it was just owls...


    Still, the early signs about Miliband’s electoral instincts were not good. In the weeks before the European elections that May, Miliband’s pitch to the public remained mostly incoherent.

    On 15 May, a week before the vote, Miliband met with David Axelrod – Barack Obama’s chief campaign adviser, who had signed on as a consultant to the Labour campaign for an astronomical fee – at Corrigan’s, an upscale Mayfair restaurant. During the meal, Beales was fielding calls from Miliband, who was still asking him to think of a slogan for the remaining week of the European election campaign;

    Axelrod was appalled by the low quality of the ideas being discussed, which he derisively characterised as “Vote Labour and win a microwave”.

    http://bit.ly/1KangD7
    NMR spectrometers operate at microwave frequencies (eg. 500 MHz) :)
    It used to be a challenge to post-docs to build their own.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    I genuinely don't get why sensible broadcasters are giving any oxygen of publicity to Owen Jones, a child who has been consistently wrong for 5 years and counting.

    One could ask the same question of Polly Toynbee

    Or ex-MPs who have been jailed for fraud
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited June 2015
    I did wonder. Pity. Hopefully it'll pick up. Wayward Pines is bizarre, but oddly interesting.

    Edit Almost Human was fun and challenging, and canned by Fox after a single season. I thought given the success of Fringe they'd have stuck with it. Hohum. That was android cop partners.

    Plato said:

    I'm watching new summer releases for Humans, Dark Matter and Proof. You seen any yet?

    I loved Mr Robot and can't wait for E2

    kle4 said:

    Right, now that we've established Gul Dukat's role in the Cardassian Empire, I must be off.

    If I recall, keeping to the fantasy/sci-fi convention of trying to limit to only one kingdom/empire/confederation/etc at a time, it was termed the Cardassian Union officially, though like most non Federation 'empires' other than the freed Bajorans I don't know if any other species supposedly within its space ever appeared.

    Ok, enough Star Trek.

    No odds for 'capitalist pigdogs'?

    'Tory deception' seems a possibility to me, given the comfort blanket of it that has been intermittently used.
    Humans started well, but even half-way through the first episode it became depressingly predictable. All about the usual 'machines have started thinking for themselves, and are dangerous' and are going to rebel angle.

    The more interesting (but much more disturbing) angle would be to keep them passive and subservient to their original programming but increasingly sentinent. Then to show how, in reality, such 'synths' would become widely physically, verbally and sexually abused and exploited. In fact, some might be bought for that purpose alone.

    Having an exploitable 'slave' - all behind closed doors - can bring out the very worst and most base instincts of humanity.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,870

    How awesome is Dan Hodges (PBUH) slapping down Owen Jones

    Jones: “You’ve never, ever, ever, ever come up with a single constructive policy proposal about what you’d like to see Labour doing. You don’t add anything constructive to the debate. What does Dan Hodges stand for?”

    Hodges: “Actually, I did Owen. I said look at what Ed Miliband’s doing and do the opposite.”

    http://bit.ly/1Tq5gbK

    I genuinely don't get why sensible broadcasters are giving any oxygen of publicity to Owen Jones, a child who has been consistently wrong for 5 years and counting.
    They're not, Dan Hodges is.

  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,546

    What odds for "Say what you like about Adolf Hitler, but at least he made the trains run on time? " "Maybe it is time to privatise the NHS?" "Ed Milliband was a truly inspirational leader?"
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Plato said:

    I did wonder. Pity. Hopefully it'll pick up. Wayward Pines is bizarre, but oddly interesting.

    Plato said:

    I'm watching new summer releases for Humans, Dark Matter and Proof. You seen any yet?

    I loved Mr Robot and can't wait for E2

    kle4 said:

    Right, now that we've established Gul Dukat's role in the Cardassian Empire, I must be off.

    If I recall, keeping to the fantasy/sci-fi convention of trying to limit to only one kingdom/empire/confederation/etc at a time, it was termed the Cardassian Union officially, though like most non Federation 'empires' other than the freed Bajorans I don't know if any other species supposedly within its space ever appeared.

    Ok, enough Star Trek.

    No odds for 'capitalist pigdogs'?

    'Tory deception' seems a possibility to me, given the comfort blanket of it that has been intermittently used.
    Humans started well, but even half-way through the first episode it became depressingly predictable. All about the usual 'machines have started thinking for themselves, and are dangerous' and are going to rebel angle.

    The more interesting (but much more disturbing) angle would be to keep them passive and subservient to their original programming but increasingly sentinent. Then to show how, in reality, such 'synths' would become widely physically, verbally and sexually abused and exploited. In fact, some might be bought for that purpose alone.

    Having an exploitable 'slave' - all behind closed doors - can bring out the very worst and most base instincts of humanity.
    CR's plotline would make for a very interesting study of the human condition. How would we react to the reintroduction of such slavery?

    Far more interesting than the revolt of the machines.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited June 2015
    @BiP – ‘I genuinely don't get why sensible broadcasters are giving any oxygen of publicity to Owen Jones, a child who has been consistently wrong for 5 years and counting.’

    Plural? - I’m only aware of one broadcaster that regularly features utterly discredited loons like Blanchflower, Toynbee and Owen Jones.
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    Scott_P said:

    I genuinely don't get why sensible broadcasters are giving any oxygen of publicity to Owen Jones, a child who has been consistently wrong for 5 years and counting.

    One could ask the same question of Polly Toynbee

    Or ex-MPs who have been jailed for fraud
    The one I find most odd is Vicky Pryce. This is someone who pleaded a defence on the basis of 19th Century style marital coercion, and thinks women shouldn't be put in jail because it's almost always men that made them do it.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,036
    Sean_F said:


    What odds for "Say what you like about Adolf Hitler, but at least he made the trains run on time? " "Maybe it is time to privatise the NHS?" "Ed Milliband was a truly inspirational leader?"

    How's about "Ed's problem was that he was too right-wing"?
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    JEO said:

    Scott_P said:

    I genuinely don't get why sensible broadcasters are giving any oxygen of publicity to Owen Jones, a child who has been consistently wrong for 5 years and counting.

    One could ask the same question of Polly Toynbee

    Or ex-MPs who have been jailed for fraud
    The one I find most odd is Vicky Pryce. This is someone who pleaded a defence on the basis of 19th Century style marital coercion, and thinks women shouldn't be put in jail because it's almost always men that made them do it.
    And Alistair Campbell. Oh how I wish for Chilcott to be published or leaked!
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Well quite.

    @BiP – ‘I genuinely don't get why sensible broadcasters are giving any oxygen of publicity to Owen Jones, a child who has been consistently wrong for 5 years and counting.’

    Plural? - I’m only aware of one broadcaster that regularly features utterly discredited loons like Blanchflower, Toynbee and Owen Jones.

  • FalseFlagFalseFlag Posts: 1,801
    edited June 2015
    Financier said:

    President Vladimir Putin says Russia will add more than 40 intercontinental ballistic missiles to its nuclear arsenal in 2015.

    Speaking at an arms fair, Mr Putin said the weapons would be able to overcome even the most technically advanced anti-missile defence systems.

    It comes after the US proposed increasing its military presence in Nato states in Eastern Europe.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-33151125

    Why did the US withdraw from the ABM treaty, disgraceful. We need to pressure the US to re-engage. Obama is no JFK nor Reagan though and his likely successor looks even more dangerous.

    http://time.com/3916035/ukraine-u-s-russia/
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I thought that was Mussolini?
    Sean_F said:


    What odds for "Say what you like about Adolf Hitler, but at least he made the trains run on time? " "Maybe it is time to privatise the NHS?" "Ed Milliband was a truly inspirational leader?"

  • Bond_James_BondBond_James_Bond Posts: 1,939
    1,000/1 shots:

    - "It is time for Labour to disband"
    - "We have been wrong about everything for ever"
    - "We deserved this, because we are cocks"
    - "Owen Jones is a total cockwomble"
    - "We are morally incompetent"
    - "We let children get raped because it was Asians doing it"
    - "We brought back filthy Dickensian workhouses"
    - "I read Dickens at Cambridge and I was really impressed. By Mr Bumble the Beadle and Wackford Squeers"
    - "What's wrong with marrying Ed Balls rather than despising him?"
    - "We need a leader who, unlike Ed, actually has a nasal bone"
    - "The challenge Labour must address, comrades, is how we hide our contempt for the voters"
    - "Tony Blair will probably at some point do time"
    - "The point is, ladies and gentleman, that envy - for lack of a better word -- is good. Envy is right. Envy works. Envy clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the socialist spirit. Envy in all of its forms -- envy of other people's houses, envy of other people's schools, envy of other people's pensions, cars, education -- has marked the upward surge of socialism. And envy - you mark my words - will not only save t'Labour Party, but that other malfunctioning corporation called Scotland."
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,234
    Sandpit said:

    Sean_F said:


    What odds for "Say what you like about Adolf Hitler, but at least he made the trains run on time? " "Maybe it is time to privatise the NHS?" "Ed Milliband was a truly inspirational leader?"

    How's about "Ed's problem was that he was too right-wing"?
    Very true - witness the half-baked policy on railway franchises rather than just saying they would be renationalised.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,546
    Plato said:

    I thought that was Mussolini?

    Sean_F said:


    What odds for "Say what you like about Adolf Hitler, but at least he made the trains run on time? " "Maybe it is time to privatise the NHS?" "Ed Milliband was a truly inspirational leader?"

    Ah, you're correct. Hitler built the autobahns,
  • Bond_James_BondBond_James_Bond Posts: 1,939
    "There's no point in winning in 2020 anyway as the Tories won't have repaired the economy yet by then"
  • Bond_James_BondBond_James_Bond Posts: 1,939
    "Maybe if we oppressed gays a bit they'd start voting for us again"
    "I was walking on Hampstead Heath the other day and I met a man called Colin. We fell into conversation and he said to me, 'Ed, what I want Labour to do is focus on jobs and fairness. Can I suck your ****?'"
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,656

    1,000/1 shots:

    - "It is time for Labour to disband"
    - "We have been wrong about everything for ever"
    - "We deserved this, because we are cocks"
    - "Owen Jones is a total cockwomble"
    - "We are morally incompetent"
    - "We let children get raped because it was Asians doing it"
    - "We brought back filthy Dickensian workhouses"
    - "I read Dickens at Cambridge and I was really impressed. By Mr Bumble the Beadle and Wackford Squeers"
    - "What's wrong with marrying Ed Balls rather than despising him?"
    - "We need a leader who, unlike Ed, actually has a nasal bone"
    - "The challenge Labour must address, comrades, is how we hide our contempt for the voters"
    - "Tony Blair will probably at some point do time"
    - "The point is, ladies and gentleman, that envy - for lack of a better word -- is good. Envy is right. Envy works. Envy clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the socialist spirit. Envy in all of its forms -- envy of other people's houses, envy of other people's schools, envy of other people's pensions, cars, education -- has marked the upward surge of socialism. And envy - you mark my words - will not only save t'Labour Party, but that other malfunctioning corporation called Scotland."

    lol
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    Plato said:

    I'm watching new summer releases for Humans, Dark Matter and Proof. You seen any yet?

    I loved Mr Robot and can't wait for E2

    kle4 said:

    Right, now that we've established Gul Dukat's role in the Cardassian Empire, I must be off.

    If I recall, keeping to the fantasy/sci-fi convention of trying to limit to only one kingdom/empire/confederation/etc at a time, it was termed the Cardassian Union officially, though like most non Federation 'empires' other than the freed Bajorans I don't know if any other species supposedly within its space ever appeared.

    Ok, enough Star Trek.

    No odds for 'capitalist pigdogs'?

    'Tory deception' seems a possibility to me, given the comfort blanket of it that has been intermittently used.
    Not as yet, but they're on the list - if one of 3 is decent that'd be an ok result really.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "Danish elections 2015: a guide to the parties, candidates and electoral system

    Pre-election polls suggest the incumbent red and opposition blue blocs are virtually neck and neck before Thursday’s vote"

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/16/danish-election-guide-parties-candidates
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