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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941
    edited May 2015
    First! :)

    Great cartoon, Marf! Who's next for the lions?
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,137
    The Ed Stone is not quite as grand as I remember it....
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    This puts into context how much news sinks in:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CFDcYTdWoAACCav.jpg

    Even the general election was only noticed by just over half of respondents.
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    DavidBrackenburyDavidBrackenbury Posts: 353
    And ten days ago, who would have thought it..?
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    notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    FPT:
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    rottenborough said:

    Hunt continues to tease. I guess he's busy finding out whether he can get the 35.

    If Labour MPs watched QT last night it will be lucky to get 3 or 4.
    It's 38 minutes in on the iplayer. It's an interesting point, and he expands that he *understands* why the public finances fell away, but he blames outside forces.

    He admits they didnt leave enough head way meaning we couldnt cope with the downturn. And says "the real issue was an over dependence on financial services in our tax take".

    That last point is absolutely spot on. Finally!!

    Brown increased spending based on revenues coming in from the financial services, he ran a small (unnecessary, but manageable deficit), but the real crunch came from not only the increase in spending that followed the crash but the collapse in revenues.

    A gigantic black hole which we are still struggling to cope with.

    He actually gets it! It wasnt the banking crisis that caused the government to increase spending based on revenue that was unsustainable.
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    DavidBrackenburyDavidBrackenbury Posts: 353
    The Edstone was the first sign that the Labour leadership had lost touch with reality.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Jim Pickard is great at doing vox pops:

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/061ec154-fafd-11e4-9aed-00144feab7de.html#axzz3aCXrsOzf

    This article on Nuneaton is worth a read from start to finish. Its start sets the scene:

    "Labour has a problem and her name is Jody Hall.

    The Nuneaton resident, who works in admin, is the daughter of a former coal miner and is also married to a one-time miner. Last Thursday she voted for the Conservatives.

    Waiting for her lunch at the George Eliot Hotel in Nuneaton, she explains why: “I’ve voted Labour in the past, I’m from a family that voted Labour before, but I was worried that they left this country with no money.” "
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,291
    Wondered how long it would take....

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/chuka-umunna-the-price-of-a-political-career-shouldnt-be-the-privacy-of-your-family-10253652.html

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/commentisfree/2015/may/15/chuka-umunna-media-robbing-normal-political-candidates?CMP=twt_gu
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,991
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Wondered how long it would take....

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/chuka-umunna-the-price-of-a-political-career-shouldnt-be-the-privacy-of-your-family-10253652.html

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/commentisfree/2015/may/15/chuka-umunna-media-robbing-normal-political-candidates?CMP=twt_gu

    Surprised it took this long. At the end of the day, the experience Ed went through should have let him know if he could handle the situation as he knew it would be, not how he and indeed we might wish it would be re media intrusion. As an explanation it therefore falls flat, as he should never have declared if it was not something he could handle.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,291
    edited May 2015
    Looks like another row is due between the Mail and the Labour Party after an unnamed aide for Chuka Umunna briefed out that it was their behaviour that so upset their boss, including a toxic claim of doorstepping a 102 year old grandmother:

    Mail-land is keen to stress it’s simply not true:

    Guido understands that no one from the Staggers checked with the Mail to see if it was true before punting the line…

    http://order-order.com/2015/05/15/chuka-aide-mail-briefing-unravels/
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,222
    antifrank said:

    Jim Pickard is great at doing vox pops:

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/061ec154-fafd-11e4-9aed-00144feab7de.html#axzz3aCXrsOzf

    This article on Nuneaton is worth a read from start to finish. Its start sets the scene:

    "Labour has a problem and her name is Jody Hall.

    The Nuneaton resident, who works in admin, is the daughter of a former coal miner and is also married to a one-time miner. Last Thursday she voted for the Conservatives.

    Waiting for her lunch at the George Eliot Hotel in Nuneaton, she explains why: “I’ve voted Labour in the past, I’m from a family that voted Labour before, but I was worried that they left this country with no money.” "

    Grr! Another of your recommended FT articles that is behind the paywall........

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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,563
    edited May 2015
    Cyclefree said:

    antifrank said:

    Jim Pickard is great at doing vox pops:

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/061ec154-fafd-11e4-9aed-00144feab7de.html#axzz3aCXrsOzf

    This article on Nuneaton is worth a read from start to finish. Its start sets the scene:

    "Labour has a problem and her name is Jody Hall.

    The Nuneaton resident, who works in admin, is the daughter of a former coal miner and is also married to a one-time miner. Last Thursday she voted for the Conservatives.

    Waiting for her lunch at the George Eliot Hotel in Nuneaton, she explains why: “I’ve voted Labour in the past, I’m from a family that voted Labour before, but I was worried that they left this country with no money.” "

    Grr! Another of your recommended FT articles that is behind the paywall........

    You can get FT articles for free, just google the article headline, in this instance

    "How Nuneaton swung behind the Tories" and click the link google will bring up the article for free.
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    London Assembly Member Valerie Shawcross (Labour, Lambeth and Southwark) has announced she will retire next year. She has been a London AM since the creation of the Assembly in 2000. Previously she has led Croydon Council where she has been a Cllr from 1994 to 2000.

    I note that a number of Conservative London Assembly Members have moved to Parliament last week..

    James Cleverly, now MP for Braintree
    Kit Malthaouse, now MP for NW Hampshire
    Victoria Borwick, now MP for Kensington

    Labour AM John Biggs is running to become Tower Hamlets Mayor next month
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,563
    It has been alleged that Nigel Farage never formally resigned from Ukip as part of what party sources have told the Spectator was a stitch up to avoid a leadership contest.

    It is claimed that the Ukip leader never wrote a letter to the party’s chairman tendering his resignation. He told the media on Friday that he would write to the party resigning. When it met on Monday, it is said the National Executive Committee had still not received a letter.

    A source tells me that when someone asked where the letter was, they were told ‘it is being typed out as we speak’. The source says the letter never appeared.

    http://bit.ly/1B1eJeo
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    edited May 2015
    AndreaParma_82 said:

    London Assembly Member Valerie Shawcross (Labour, Lambeth and Southwark) has announced she will retire next year. She has been a London AM since the creation of the Assembly in 2000. Previously she has led Croydon Council where she has been a Cllr from 1994 to 2000.

    I note that a number of Conservative London Assembly Members have moved to Parliament last week..

    James Cleverly, now MP for Braintree
    Kit Malthaouse, now MP for NW Hampshire
    Victoria Borwick, now MP for Kensington

    Labour AM John Biggs is running to become Tower Hamlets Mayor next month

    Kit Malthouse was done the dubious honour of being #1 in Private Eye's "New MPs" series
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,986
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    It has been alleged that Nigel Farage never formally resigned from Ukip as part of what party sources have told the Spectator was a stitch up to avoid a leadership contest.

    It is claimed that the Ukip leader never wrote a letter to the party’s chairman tendering his resignation. He told the media on Friday that he would write to the party resigning. When it met on Monday, it is said the National Executive Committee had still not received a letter.

    A source tells me that when someone asked where the letter was, they were told ‘it is being typed out as we speak’. The source says the letter never appeared.

    http://bit.ly/1B1eJeo

    Online bets can't be changed in settlement from winners to losers, right ?
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,713
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Wondered how long it would take....

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/chuka-umunna-the-price-of-a-political-career-shouldnt-be-the-privacy-of-your-family-10253652.html

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/commentisfree/2015/may/15/chuka-umunna-media-robbing-normal-political-candidates?CMP=twt_gu

    Owen Jones doesn't half crank them out quickly...
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    It has been alleged that Nigel Farage never formally resigned from Ukip as part of what party sources have told the Spectator was a stitch up to avoid a leadership contest.

    It is claimed that the Ukip leader never wrote a letter to the party’s chairman tendering his resignation. He told the media on Friday that he would write to the party resigning. When it met on Monday, it is said the National Executive Committee had still not received a letter.

    A source tells me that when someone asked where the letter was, they were told ‘it is being typed out as we speak’. The source says the letter never appeared.

    http://bit.ly/1B1eJeo

    Isabel Hardman is bloody good at her job.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    Tissue_Price said:

    Kit Malthouse was done the dubious honour of being #1 in Private Eye's "New MPs" series

    He also has the dubious honour of being in my list of bets I've had to write off: next London mayor at 66/1. He had no business skidalling off to parliament.
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    DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Tissue_Price said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    It has been alleged that Nigel Farage never formally resigned from Ukip as part of what party sources have told the Spectator was a stitch up to avoid a leadership contest.

    It is claimed that the Ukip leader never wrote a letter to the party’s chairman tendering his resignation. He told the media on Friday that he would write to the party resigning. When it met on Monday, it is said the National Executive Committee had still not received a letter.

    A source tells me that when someone asked where the letter was, they were told ‘it is being typed out as we speak’. The source says the letter never appeared.

    http://bit.ly/1B1eJeo

    Isabel Hardman is bloody good at her job.
    Which job?

    https://twitter.com/JournoStephen/status/597079574900568066
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Dair said:

    Which job?

    twitter.com/JournoStephen/status/597079574900568066

    I could tell you that, but then...
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,314
    #keirforleader on twitter. There will be a twitter storm at 6pm. Be interesting to see the level of response from grassroots.

    Somebody had Keir for £2 at 750/1
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    PeterCPeterC Posts: 1,274
    These prats have hit the truly surreal!

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/15/should-north-england-join-scotland
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,563
    edited May 2015
    I guess it would be useful to point out Death Stars were rubbish. Huge design flaw and destroyed by an army of teddy bears.


    @georgeeaton: Unaligned Labour source suggests Cooper is now the frontrunner - "she's building a Death Star" - strong campaign team.
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    Bond_James_BondBond_James_Bond Posts: 1,939
    Didn't someone once famously remark that Labour always chooses the obvious candidate?

    If so that rules out Starmer and kinda pencils in Butcher.
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    Lucian_FletcherLucian_Fletcher Posts: 793
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Looks like another row is due between the Mail and the Labour Party after an unnamed aide for Chuka Umunna briefed out that it was their behaviour that so upset their boss, including a toxic claim of doorstepping a 102 year old grandmother:

    Mail-land is keen to stress it’s simply not true:

    Guido understands that no one from the Staggers checked with the Mail to see if it was true before punting the line…

    http://order-order.com/2015/05/15/chuka-aide-mail-briefing-unravels/

    I said at the end of the last thread that it didn't stack up to me. What newsworthy comment would anyone hope to get from an old lady related to a girlfriend?

    If it looks like bollocks, it probably is.

    On the EdStone. That, to me, was the moment I realised Labour couldn't possibly really think they were winning.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,763
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I guess it would be useful to point out Death Stars were rubbish. Huge design flaw and destroyed by an army of teddy bears.


    @georgeeaton: Unaligned Labour source suggests Cooper is now the frontrunner - "she's building a Death Star" - strong campaign team.

    Stand by for Darth Balls
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    FlightpathlFlightpathl Posts: 1,243
    FPT
    ''Contador is one hard bastard''
    Really? I'd like to see him run for UKIP leadership!

    Thanks to your cheerful local Daily Mail -
    ''Farage will be backed by Andrew Reid, the millionaire lawyer, whose Mayfair mews house is the Ukip HQ. Mr Reid is Treasurer of the party. Mr Farage is also being supported by tycoon Arron Banks and Alan Bown, a retired bookmaker, who has also given more than £1 million.

    ''Mayfair mews HQ...tycoon...betting milionairs...'' Thats gotta go down well in the Labour heartlands seat Farage has promised himself next.
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Good, thoughtful, piece on following Farage around during the campaign: https://mousephoto.wordpress.com/2015/05/12/looking-for-nigel/

    @isam, you will enjoy
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,991
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I guess it would be useful to point out Death Stars were rubbish. Huge design flaw and destroyed by an army of teddy bears.


    @georgeeaton: Unaligned Labour source suggests Cooper is now the frontrunner - "she's building a Death Star" - strong campaign team.

    They were really about job creation more than anything else.
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    rottenborough said:

    #keirforleader on twitter. There will be a twitter storm at 6pm. Be interesting to see the level of response from grassroots.

    Somebody had Keir for £2 at 750/1

    #CameronMustGo #JeSuisEd
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,125
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Cyclefree said:

    antifrank said:

    Jim Pickard is great at doing vox pops:

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/061ec154-fafd-11e4-9aed-00144feab7de.html#axzz3aCXrsOzf

    This article on Nuneaton is worth a read from start to finish. Its start sets the scene:

    "Labour has a problem and her name is Jody Hall.

    The Nuneaton resident, who works in admin, is the daughter of a former coal miner and is also married to a one-time miner. Last Thursday she voted for the Conservatives.

    Waiting for her lunch at the George Eliot Hotel in Nuneaton, she explains why: “I’ve voted Labour in the past, I’m from a family that voted Labour before, but I was worried that they left this country with no money.” "

    Grr! Another of your recommended FT articles that is behind the paywall........

    You can get FT articles for free, just google the article headline, in this instance

    "How Nuneaton swung behind the Tories" and click the link google will bring up the article for free.
    What a clever trick - Does it work for all the paywalled articles form any paper?
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,002
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Mr. Brooke, I find his lack of a constituency amusing :P
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941
    Bond_James_Bond said:

    Didn't someone once famously remark that Labour always chooses the obvious candidate?

    If so that rules out Starmer and kinda pencils in Butcher.

    This could be hilarious -Mr Stafford v Mrs Balls, winner to play Sajid Javid or Priti Patel for the big prize in 2020.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,763
    kle4 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I guess it would be useful to point out Death Stars were rubbish. Huge design flaw and destroyed by an army of teddy bears.


    @georgeeaton: Unaligned Labour source suggests Cooper is now the frontrunner - "she's building a Death Star" - strong campaign team.

    They were really about job creation more than anything else.
    Really ? Where were the Polish plumbers then ?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,563
    felix said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Cyclefree said:

    antifrank said:

    Jim Pickard is great at doing vox pops:

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/061ec154-fafd-11e4-9aed-00144feab7de.html#axzz3aCXrsOzf

    This article on Nuneaton is worth a read from start to finish. Its start sets the scene:

    "Labour has a problem and her name is Jody Hall.

    The Nuneaton resident, who works in admin, is the daughter of a former coal miner and is also married to a one-time miner. Last Thursday she voted for the Conservatives.

    Waiting for her lunch at the George Eliot Hotel in Nuneaton, she explains why: “I’ve voted Labour in the past, I’m from a family that voted Labour before, but I was worried that they left this country with no money.” "

    Grr! Another of your recommended FT articles that is behind the paywall........

    You can get FT articles for free, just google the article headline, in this instance

    "How Nuneaton swung behind the Tories" and click the link google will bring up the article for free.
    What a clever trick - Does it work for all the paywalled articles form any paper?
    Just the FT.
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,713
    rottenborough said:

    #keirforleader on twitter. There will be a twitter storm at 6pm. Be interesting to see the level of response from grassroots.

    Somebody had Keir for £2 at 750/1

    Theres been some ground work for it (see Polly et al), but really? a bloke which hasn't been an MP yet?

    Are labour really, really that desperate?
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    DavidBrackenburyDavidBrackenbury Posts: 353
    edited May 2015
    "I guess it would be useful to point out Death Stars were rubbish. Huge design flaw and destroyed by an army of teddy bears. "

    Don't be too proud of this technological terror you have constructed. It's power is insignificant compared to the Force...
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,763
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Mr. Brooke, I find his lack of a constituency amusing :P

    I think that's one of the inevitable side effects of didn'toverspendonomics - people stop voting for you.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JamesDwan: EXCLUSIVE: @DouglasCarswell refuses to be drawn on whether he is "the one" agitating for a change of @Ukip leadership http://t.co/IReH0AAWGs
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,411
    Nice cartoon, Marf!
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    DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Alanbrooke said:

    kle4 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I guess it would be useful to point out Death Stars were rubbish. Huge design flaw and destroyed by an army of teddy bears.


    @georgeeaton: Unaligned Labour source suggests Cooper is now the frontrunner - "she's building a Death Star" - strong campaign team.

    They were really about job creation more than anything else.
    Really ? Where were the Polish plumbers then ?
    Reminds me of the classic scene from Clerks.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQdDRrcAOjA
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,002
    Mr. Brooke, yes and no. If he'd spent more time campaigning here, he almost certainly would've win.

    As it is, he was vanquished. And there was much rejoicing.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,411
    edited May 2015
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I guess it would be useful to point out Death Stars were rubbish. Huge design flaw and destroyed by an army of teddy bears.


    @georgeeaton: Unaligned Labour source suggests Cooper is now the frontrunner - "she's building a Death Star" - strong campaign team.

    Point of order, the Ewoks helped Han and Leia destroy the SHIELD GENERATOR on the moon below, Endor.

    It was Lando Calrissian and Wedge Antilles wot fired the actual shots wot destroyed Death Star II!
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    FlightpathlFlightpathl Posts: 1,243
    edited May 2015
    kle4 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I guess it would be useful to point out Death Stars were rubbish. Huge design flaw and destroyed by an army of teddy bears.
    @georgeeaton: Unaligned Labour source suggests Cooper is now the frontrunner - "she's building a Death Star" - strong campaign team.

    They were really about job creation more than anything else.
    Her dark evil rotund Death Star that is her campaign mainstay has plenty time on his hands for plotting at the moment.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,411
    edited May 2015
    DavidBrackenbury said:

    "I guess it would be useful to point out Death Stars were rubbish. Huge design flaw and destroyed by an army of teddy bears. "

    Don't be too proud of this technological terror you have constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the Force...

    Corrected it for you :wink: :
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941
    Scott_P said:

    @JamesDwan: EXCLUSIVE: @DouglasCarswell refuses to be drawn on whether he is "the one" agitating for a change of @Ukip leadership http://t.co/IReH0AAWGs

    And in other news, Pontiff refuses to be drawn on his religious affiliation and Baloo refuses to be drawn on his defecation habitat.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Don't throw away those AJ betting slips
    Soon after the news about Chuka Umunna broke one MP who is backing one of the other leadership candidates said to me: “You can either write off 2020, or you bring together the whole party with an adult at the helm and the talents across the centre and centre right being used to the full with the Left keeping us honest. It’s the only way Labour has ever won in our history."

    At the start of the week I’m not sure I’d have agreed with that assessment. But now I’m starting to pay a lot more attention to the wise words of Labour’s elders and betters.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/politics-blog/11608181/Will-the-last-one-in-Labour-please-turn-out-the-lights.html
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    FlightpathlFlightpathl Posts: 1,243
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I guess it would be useful to point out Death Stars were rubbish. Huge design flaw and destroyed by an army of teddy bears.
    @georgeeaton: Unaligned Labour source suggests Cooper is now the frontrunner - "she's building a Death Star" - strong campaign team.

    Point of order, the Ewoks helped Han and Leia destroy the SHIELD GENERATOR on the moon below, Endor.
    It was Lando Calrissian and Wedge Antilles wot fired the actual shots wot destroyed Death Star II!
    Have they thrown their hat into the ring yet?
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    DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I guess it would be useful to point out Death Stars were rubbish. Huge design flaw and destroyed by an army of teddy bears.


    @georgeeaton: Unaligned Labour source suggests Cooper is now the frontrunner - "she's building a Death Star" - strong campaign team.

    Point of order, the Ewoks helped Han and Leia destroy the SHIELD GENERATOR on the moon below, Endor.

    It was Lando Calrissian and Wedge Antilles wot fired the actual shots wot destroyed Death Star II!
    It's not clear whether it was Lando or Nien Nunb who fired from the Falcon.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,290
    Cue for Downfall parody.

    Officer: Starmer.
    2nd Officer. Starmer, couldn't mobilise enough support...
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,411
    Alanbrooke said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I guess it would be useful to point out Death Stars were rubbish. Huge design flaw and destroyed by an army of teddy bears.


    @georgeeaton: Unaligned Labour source suggests Cooper is now the frontrunner - "she's building a Death Star" - strong campaign team.

    Stand by for Darth Balls
    Chukabacca?
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,290
    Ladbrokes Politics ‏@LadPolitics 2m2 minutes ago
    Keir Starmer into 16/1 to be next Labour leader
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    DavidBrackenburyDavidBrackenbury Posts: 353
    Thank you Sunil!! I knew it wasn't quite right!! Wasn't the fleet commanded by an Admiral who looked like a fish?
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,411
    Dair said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I guess it would be useful to point out Death Stars were rubbish. Huge design flaw and destroyed by an army of teddy bears.


    @georgeeaton: Unaligned Labour source suggests Cooper is now the frontrunner - "she's building a Death Star" - strong campaign team.

    Point of order, the Ewoks helped Han and Leia destroy the SHIELD GENERATOR on the moon below, Endor.

    It was Lando Calrissian and Wedge Antilles wot fired the actual shots wot destroyed Death Star II!
    It's not clear whether it was Lando or Nien Nunb who fired from the Falcon.
    Wedge definitely contributed in his X-wing.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,991
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I guess it would be useful to point out Death Stars were rubbish. Huge design flaw and destroyed by an army of teddy bears.


    @georgeeaton: Unaligned Labour source suggests Cooper is now the frontrunner - "she's building a Death Star" - strong campaign team.

    Point of order, the Ewoks helped Han and Leia destroy the SHIELD GENERATOR on the moon below, Endor.

    It was Lando Calrissian and Wedge Antilles wot fired the actual shots wot destroyed Death Star II!
    Point of clarification - was the name of the moon Endor, or was it a moon of Endor? I was never clear on that from His Highness referring to it as 'The Endor moon'.

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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,222
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Cyclefree said:

    antifrank said:

    Jim Pickard is great at doing vox pops:

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/061ec154-fafd-11e4-9aed-00144feab7de.html#axzz3aCXrsOzf

    This article on Nuneaton is worth a read from start to finish. Its start sets the scene:

    "Labour has a problem and her name is Jody Hall.

    The Nuneaton resident, who works in admin, is the daughter of a former coal miner and is also married to a one-time miner. Last Thursday she voted for the Conservatives.

    Waiting for her lunch at the George Eliot Hotel in Nuneaton, she explains why: “I’ve voted Labour in the past, I’m from a family that voted Labour before, but I was worried that they left this country with no money.” "

    Grr! Another of your recommended FT articles that is behind the paywall........

    You can get FT articles for free, just google the article headline, in this instance

    "How Nuneaton swung behind the Tories" and click the link google will bring up the article for free.
    Thanks. But still doesn't work for me. I still get the "Register for money page". Never mind.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,411
    Mr Dancer.

    "These aren't the Leadership candidates you're looking for"?
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,002
    Dr. Prasannan, welcome to the Labour leadership contest. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,986
    edited May 2015
    Tissue_Price said:

    rottenborough said:

    #keirforleader on twitter. There will be a twitter storm at 6pm. Be interesting to see the level of response from grassroots.

    Somebody had Keir for £2 at 750/1

    #CameronMustGo #JeSuisEd
    Backed him at 388 for £5, laid at 134.4 for £15

    #Themanwholaidofftoosoon
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,290
    BBC rather coy about Hull's suspension of Jake Livermore.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32755755

    Not sure which line to take, unlike The Guardian.

    http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/may/15/hull-jake-livermore-cocaine-ban?CMP=share_btn_tw
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    DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Dair said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I guess it would be useful to point out Death Stars were rubbish. Huge design flaw and destroyed by an army of teddy bears.


    @georgeeaton: Unaligned Labour source suggests Cooper is now the frontrunner - "she's building a Death Star" - strong campaign team.

    Point of order, the Ewoks helped Han and Leia destroy the SHIELD GENERATOR on the moon below, Endor.

    It was Lando Calrissian and Wedge Antilles wot fired the actual shots wot destroyed Death Star II!
    It's not clear whether it was Lando or Nien Nunb who fired from the Falcon.
    Wedge definitely contributed in his X-wing.
    Well obviously if the Empire was going to be destroyed it took a Scot.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941
    dr_spyn said:

    Ladbrokes Politics ‏@LadPolitics 2m2 minutes ago
    Keir Starmer into 16/1 to be next Labour leader

    Question to Labour party peeps - could this be a well planned and organised stitch-up from the smoke-filled room, or can we safely lay Starmer into single figures?
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Pulpstar said:

    Tissue_Price said:

    rottenborough said:

    #keirforleader on twitter. There will be a twitter storm at 6pm. Be interesting to see the level of response from grassroots.

    Somebody had Keir for £2 at 750/1

    #CameronMustGo #JeSuisEd
    Backed him at 388 for £5, laid at 134.4 for £15

    #Themanwholaidofftoosoon
    Yeah, that was me & Mary yesterday
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,002
    Incidentally, there's a rail strike planned for 25 May, a bank holiday: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32748029
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,991
    DavidBrackenbury said:

    Thank you Sunil!! I knew it wasn't quite right!! Wasn't the fleet commanded by an Admiral who looked like a fish?

    Excuse me, Admiral Akbar was a *looks up wiki* Mon Calamari, thank you very much.

    Wait, calamari? Cute.

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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    DavidBrackenbury said:

    "I guess it would be useful to point out Death Stars were rubbish. Huge design flaw and destroyed by an army of teddy bears. "

    Don't be too proud of this technological terror you have constructed. It's power is insignificant compared to the Force...

    Oh, yeah? Well, you would have thought that the Dark lord of the Syth could protect a 3 by 2 thermal exhaust port from a bunch of teenagers. Maybe the design was OK and Darth Vader was a bloody incompetent oaf.

    Vader calls the emperor:

    https://youtu.be/3F1d3QWsyk0

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    Bond_James_BondBond_James_Bond Posts: 1,939
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I guess it would be useful to point out Death Stars were rubbish. Huge design flaw and destroyed by an army of teddy bears.


    @georgeeaton: Unaligned Labour source suggests Cooper is now the frontrunner - "she's building a Death Star" - strong campaign team.

    Yep, it was as though a US CVN had no defensive capability against enemy ships other than waiting for them to come alongside and then dropping rocks on them. Where was the destroyer screen? Where was the CAP?

    Handy how even though it was the size of a small moon, everywhere inside was within walking distance of everywhere else. It always seemed to be pretty busy inside too. Must have contained a crew of literally billions. Doing what?
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Cyclefree said:

    Thanks. But still doesn't work for me. I still get the "Register for money page". Never mind.

    Check your Vanillamail
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    GarethoftheVale2GarethoftheVale2 Posts: 2,000
    Sandpit said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Ladbrokes Politics ‏@LadPolitics 2m2 minutes ago
    Keir Starmer into 16/1 to be next Labour leader

    Question to Labour party peeps - could this be a well planned and organised stitch-up from the smoke-filled room, or can we safely lay Starmer into single figures?
    Would Labour really pick someone who has only been in parliament for 8 days? Surely it would be better for him to get some experience in parliament and as a shadow minister before going for the top job?
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    edited May 2015
    GarethoftheVale2 said:

    Would Labour really pick someone who has only been in parliament for 8 days? Surely it would be better for him to get some experience in parliament and as a shadow minister before going for the top job?

    He's already seen off one Cabinet minister, which is a better record than nearly all of his colleagues.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,222
    If Keir Starmer becomes Labour leader how is he going to handle all the questions from the historic child abuse inquiry about why this or that person was not prosecuted?

    I know I've advocated Labour understanding a bit more about their history etc but that really doesn't mean that they pick the first person who wanders into the room with the name "Keir".
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Bond_James_Bond said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I guess it would be useful to point out Death Stars were rubbish. Huge design flaw and destroyed by an army of teddy bears.


    @georgeeaton: Unaligned Labour source suggests Cooper is now the frontrunner - "she's building a Death Star" - strong campaign team.

    Yep, it was as though a US CVN had no defensive capability against enemy ships other than waiting for them to come alongside and then dropping rocks on them. Where was the destroyer screen? Where was the CAP?

    Handy how even though it was the size of a small moon, everywhere inside was within walking distance of everywhere else. It always seemed to be pretty busy inside too. Must have contained a crew of literally billions. Doing what?
    I should point out that Liz Kendall does bear a significant resemblance to Princess Leia...
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,411
    edited May 2015
    kle4 said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I guess it would be useful to point out Death Stars were rubbish. Huge design flaw and destroyed by an army of teddy bears.


    @georgeeaton: Unaligned Labour source suggests Cooper is now the frontrunner - "she's building a Death Star" - strong campaign team.

    Point of order, the Ewoks helped Han and Leia destroy the SHIELD GENERATOR on the moon below, Endor.

    It was Lando Calrissian and Wedge Antilles wot fired the actual shots wot destroyed Death Star II!
    Point of clarification - was the name of the moon Endor, or was it a moon of Endor? I was never clear on that from His Highness referring to it as 'The Endor moon'.

    I always assumed "The forest moon of Endor" referred to the moon itself.

    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Endor
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941
    edited May 2015
    GarethoftheVale2 said:

    Sandpit said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Ladbrokes Politics ‏@LadPolitics 2m2 minutes ago
    Keir Starmer into 16/1 to be next Labour leader

    Question to Labour party peeps - could this be a well planned and organised stitch-up from the smoke-filled room, or can we safely lay Starmer into single figures?
    Would Labour really pick someone who has only been in parliament for 8 days? Surely it would be better for him to get some experience in parliament and as a shadow minister before going for the top job?
    That was my thinking too, so unless there's a concerted effort going on behind the scenes to bring a completely clean skin to the top table, he's no chance.

    He does of course have extensive experience around government and politics although not in Parliament.

    Another thought, how many new Labour MPs have there been in 2010 and 2015? Can't be more than a couple of dozen in total, and most of them are probably well under 40. Who else could possibly come forward that was nothing to do with Brown and his government?
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,411
    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Endor
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    http://www.comres.co.uk/pollwatch-lessons-for-labour/
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    Life_ina_market_townLife_ina_market_town Posts: 2,319
    Cyclefree said:

    If Keir Starmer becomes Labour leader how is he going to handle all the questions from the historic child abuse inquiry about why this or that person was not prosecuted?

    I know I've advocated Labour understanding a bit more about their history etc but that really doesn't mean that they pick the first person who wanders into the room with the name "Keir".

    He will be able to say that in the vast majority of impugned cases, the matter was never referred to him and he never took the decision. In any event, most of the impugned decisions were not taken between 2008 and 2013 when he was DPP.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,002
    edited May 2015
    F1: a tentative huzzah! Refuelling comes back from 2017:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/32751118

    Edited extra bit: "For 2016, bosses have approved a plan to allow teams free choice of the four available tyre compounds for each race."
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,411
    foxinsoxuk said:

    Bond_James_Bond said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I guess it would be useful to point out Death Stars were rubbish. Huge design flaw and destroyed by an army of teddy bears.


    @georgeeaton: Unaligned Labour source suggests Cooper is now the frontrunner - "she's building a Death Star" - strong campaign team.

    Yep, it was as though a US CVN had no defensive capability against enemy ships other than waiting for them to come alongside and then dropping rocks on them. Where was the destroyer screen? Where was the CAP?

    Handy how even though it was the size of a small moon, everywhere inside was within walking distance of everywhere else. It always seemed to be pretty busy inside too. Must have contained a crew of literally billions. Doing what?
    I should point out that Liz Kendall does bear a significant resemblance to Princess Leia...
    "Should have gone to Specsavers" :lol:
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,222
    Tissue_Price said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Thanks. But still doesn't work for me. I still get the "Register for money page". Never mind.

    Check your Vanillamail
    Thank you very much!

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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    For anyone who can't stand Sandy Toksvig - her last stint in the News Quiz R4 chair is tonight... she's off to set up her Women's Equality Party. Yes, really.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,002
    Two Libyan cadets over here for training are convicted of raping a man:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-32749555

    ****s.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Sandpit said:

    GarethoftheVale2 said:

    Sandpit said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Ladbrokes Politics ‏@LadPolitics 2m2 minutes ago
    Keir Starmer into 16/1 to be next Labour leader

    Question to Labour party peeps - could this be a well planned and organised stitch-up from the smoke-filled room, or can we safely lay Starmer into single figures?
    Would Labour really pick someone who has only been in parliament for 8 days? Surely it would be better for him to get some experience in parliament and as a shadow minister before going for the top job?
    That was my thinking too, so unless there's a concerted effort going on behind the scenes to bring a completely clean skin to the top table, he's no chance.

    He does of course have extensive experience around government and politics although not in Parliament.

    Another thought, how many new Labour MPs have there been in 2010 and 2015? Can't be more than a couple of dozen in total, and most of them are probably well under 40. Who else could possibly come forward that was nothing to do with Brown and his government?
    I think Andrea counted 98/232 newbies in 2010 and 2015. Some of these are fairly well known, like Chuka and Stella Creasy.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,222
    Life_ina_market_town said:

    Cyclefree said:

    If Keir Starmer becomes Labour leader how is he going to handle all the questions from the historic child abuse inquiry about why this or that person was not prosecuted?

    I know I've advocated Labour understanding a bit more about their history etc but that really doesn't mean that they pick the first person who wanders into the room with the name "Keir".

    He will be able to say that in the vast majority of impugned cases, the matter was never referred to him and he never took the decision. In any event, most of the impugned decisions were not taken between 2008 and 2013 when he was DPP.
    Maybe - and maybe that's correct. He has already admitted responsibility for some serious errors in the handling of more recent child abuse cases. But I wonder whether that will be good enough. If you're in a leadership role you need to take responsibility for the decisions taken by the people below you because, well, that's what being a leader means. The buck stops with you. So it's not tremendously attractive for him to say that he was not responsible while at the same time saying that he should have the top job in government.

    The other issue I would have with him is that at the moment he still talks too much like the lawyer. There's a certain correctness, formality and caution with words which reflects the lawyer he is. And while these are no bad things he needs to develop his communication skills to be more of a leader or a potential leader. His audience no longer consists of other lawyers or judges. He will have to talk human!
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,002
    Miss Plato, I heard about that.

    To be honest, I agree with her. It's about time women got a fair deal. Did you know around 5% of prisoners are women? This rancid oppression of the fairer sex must end!
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941
    Morris_Dancer said:

    F1: a tentative huzzah! Refuelling comes back from 2017:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/32751118

    Edited extra bit: "For 2016, bosses have approved a plan to allow teams free choice of the four available tyre compounds for each race."

    Refuelling won't be back any time soon - the reason they stopped it before was because of the cost of shipping all the equipment around as well as the risk of fire.

    Like the proposals for free tyre choice and more engine development though, will encourage innovation. I'd prefer to give them completely free reign on the engines, with only the fuel limit to hold them back, let the weight of the car have an assumed 100kg of fuel in it at the start, so if they only need 90 they can have a car 10kg lighter when the lights go out.

    The one area they really need to save money in in the aero - there is very little crossover to road or other racing cars with the development, and the money spent is massive for marginal gains.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,986
    Anyone know when the switch matrix of voters from 2010 -> 2015 will be out - I assume Curtice/Fisher should be able to do it from the exit poll/actual results ?
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I know where are all the female spree and serial killers too? And armed robbers?

    She really has her work cut out.
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Miss Plato, I heard about that.

    To be honest, I agree with her. It's about time women got a fair deal. Did you know around 5% of prisoners are women? This rancid oppression of the fairer sex must end!

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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,222
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Miss Plato, I heard about that.

    To be honest, I agree with her. It's about time women got a fair deal. Did you know around 5% of prisoners are women? This rancid oppression of the fairer sex must end!

    Now, now Mr Dancer. You are stirring....

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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    Bond_James_Bond said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I guess it would be useful to point out Death Stars were rubbish. Huge design flaw and destroyed by an army of teddy bears.


    @georgeeaton: Unaligned Labour source suggests Cooper is now the frontrunner - "she's building a Death Star" - strong campaign team.

    Yep, it was as though a US CVN had no defensive capability against enemy ships other than waiting for them to come alongside and then dropping rocks on them. Where was the destroyer screen? Where was the CAP?

    Handy how even though it was the size of a small moon, everywhere inside was within walking distance of everywhere else. It always seemed to be pretty busy inside too. Must have contained a crew of literally billions. Doing what?
    I should point out that Liz Kendall does bear a significant resemblance to Princess Leia...
    "Should have gone to Specsavers" :lol:
    Could be worse. She could look like a Wookie, or speak like one.

    I think Wookies are on the whole LibDems, there may be a few in the Greens...
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,411
    edited May 2015
    Plato said:

    For anyone who can't stand Sandy Toksvig - her last stint in the News Quiz R4 chair is tonight... she's off to set up her Women's Equality Party. Yes, really.

    "The feminists hate me, don’t they? And I don’t blame them. For I hate feminism. It is poison."

    - M. H. Thatcher quoted by Paul Johnson in Failure of the Feminists, The Spectator, 12 March, 2011.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941
    Plato said:

    For anyone who can't stand Sandy Toksvig - her last stint in the News Quiz R4 chair is tonight... she's off to set up her Women's Equality Party. Yes, really.

    She's setting up a political party the week after the election..?
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    Rexel56Rexel56 Posts: 807
    Should anyone making decisions or overseeing others who are making decisions whether a prosecution is in the public interest really be thinking to themselves: how might this affect my future career as a politician... Doesn't feel right to me...
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Yup!
    Sandpit said:

    Plato said:

    For anyone who can't stand Sandy Toksvig - her last stint in the News Quiz R4 chair is tonight... she's off to set up her Women's Equality Party. Yes, really.

    She's setting up a political party the week after the election..?
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,411
    foxinsoxuk said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    Bond_James_Bond said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I guess it would be useful to point out Death Stars were rubbish. Huge design flaw and destroyed by an army of teddy bears.


    @georgeeaton: Unaligned Labour source suggests Cooper is now the frontrunner - "she's building a Death Star" - strong campaign team.

    Yep, it was as though a US CVN had no defensive capability against enemy ships other than waiting for them to come alongside and then dropping rocks on them. Where was the destroyer screen? Where was the CAP?

    Handy how even though it was the size of a small moon, everywhere inside was within walking distance of everywhere else. It always seemed to be pretty busy inside too. Must have contained a crew of literally billions. Doing what?
    I should point out that Liz Kendall does bear a significant resemblance to Princess Leia...
    "Should have gone to Specsavers" :lol:
    Could be worse. She could look like a Wookie, or speak like one.

    I think Wookies are on the whole LibDems, there may be a few in the Greens...
    That would be Chuka-bacca
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    watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    Scott_P said:

    @JamesDwan: EXCLUSIVE: @DouglasCarswell refuses to be drawn on whether he is "the one" agitating for a change of @Ukip leadership http://t.co/IReH0AAWGs

    Carswell should throw his hat into the Labour Leadership ring. He's more qualified than Starmer.
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    Bond_James_BondBond_James_Bond Posts: 1,939
    Cyclefree said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Miss Plato, I heard about that.

    To be honest, I agree with her. It's about time women got a fair deal. Did you know around 5% of prisoners are women? This rancid oppression of the fairer sex must end!

    Now, now Mr Dancer. You are stirring....

    I'd like to see women doing more of the dirty and dangerous jobs too. Like being married to Ed Balls for example.
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Has Winston McKenzie thrown his hat in yet?
    watford30 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @JamesDwan: EXCLUSIVE: @DouglasCarswell refuses to be drawn on whether he is "the one" agitating for a change of @Ukip leadership http://t.co/IReH0AAWGs

    Carswell should throw his hat into the Labour Leadership ring. He's more qualified than Starmer.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,222
    Sandpit said:

    Plato said:

    For anyone who can't stand Sandy Toksvig - her last stint in the News Quiz R4 chair is tonight... she's off to set up her Women's Equality Party. Yes, really.

    She's setting up a political party the week after the election..?
    And the Labour Party wasn't good enough? What could possibly have given her the idea that women's equality wasn't taken seriously enough?

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