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  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,125

    Omnium said:

    Mr. Omnium, no dafter than a millionaire Marxist of multiple kitchens proposing to drag Britain into the leftish hell of socialism.

    Probably a lucky escape. His comment about 'I've been fighting Tories all my life' told us that he was a nutter, and then we got the confirmation from his brother.

    The tag 'millionaire' has no meaning now, at least in London. My dad is a millionaire, and he never earned more than 15k as a salary. 'Rich' is probably 20 million.
    Quite so, but it doesn't stop the Daily Mail using it to beat someone with..
    And who cares about that?

    The Daily Mail can write sense which people will read and pay for, or they can write nonsense that will be unread and nobody will value. Every cheap shot they make damages their brand, and they know this full well.

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,356

    AndyJS said:

    Michael Crick, Channel 4 news: Labour insiders not impressed by any of the candidates, want another leadership election in 2018 in case whoever is elected this year proves not to be up to the job. Obviously worried about being saddled with the wrong choice for five years.

    Smart thinking.. last time the got a complete duffer.
    The Labour Party needs Graham Norton's chair - as soon as the Leader says/does something stupid....pull the handle - bring on the next.....
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,548

    AndyJS said:

    Michael Crick, Channel 4 news: Labour insiders not impressed by any of the candidates, want another leadership election in 2018 in case whoever is elected this year proves not to be up to the job. Obviously worried about being saddled with the wrong choice for five years.

    Smart thinking.. last time the got a complete duffer.
    If whom they pick is not up to the job, challenge them. It's not another rule change they need. It's courage.
  • kingbongokingbongo Posts: 393
    antifrank said:

    I'm prepared to be shown to be wrong, but I'm not completely convinced that what Labour needs right now for a leader is someone who has yet to sit in Parliament and who is a human rights lawyer by background.

    A knighthood for being a member of the great and the good is unlikely to help him sell himself as a man of the people

  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,548
    kingbongo said:

    antifrank said:

    I'm prepared to be shown to be wrong, but I'm not completely convinced that what Labour needs right now for a leader is someone who has yet to sit in Parliament and who is a human rights lawyer by background.

    A knighthood for being a member of the great and the good is unlikely to help him sell himself as a man of the people

    I hadn't realised he was a Sir. If he were leader how could they possibly run their anti-toff Tory campaigns??

  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Cyclefree said:

    AndyJS said:

    Michael Crick, Channel 4 news: Labour insiders not impressed by any of the candidates, want another leadership election in 2018 in case whoever is elected this year proves not to be up to the job. Obviously worried about being saddled with the wrong choice for five years.

    Smart thinking.. last time the got a complete duffer.
    If whom they pick is not up to the job, challenge them. It's not another rule change they need. It's courage.
    They need policies . they need to appeal to the centre ground. and a leader with charisma... Ed was so awful on Tele with his nasal twangs and nervous type twitches.. I couldn't see how OGH and others thought he was oK.


    IMHO he was unelectable from day 1.. Labour need to avoid this but I doubt they will.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Mr. Omnium, no dafter than a millionaire Marxist of multiple kitchens proposing to drag Britain into the leftish hell of socialism.

    Probably a lucky escape. His comment about 'I've been fighting Tories all my life' told us that he was a nutter, and then we got the confirmation from his brother.

    The tag 'millionaire' has no meaning now, at least in London. My dad is a millionaire, and he never earned more than 15k as a salary. 'Rich' is probably 20 million.
    Quite so, but it doesn't stop the Daily Mail using it to beat someone with..
    And who cares about that?

    The Daily Mail can write sense which people will read and pay for, or they can write nonsense that will be unread and nobody will value. Every cheap shot they make damages their brand, and they know this full well.

    Are you trying to misunderstand me? A million quid in 1979 would actually be 5,134,252.00 today

    So Its about 20% of what it was worth in 1979 when Mrs T took office..

    About the value of a cheap house...
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,548
    antifrank said:

    I'm prepared to be shown to be wrong, but I'm not completely convinced that what Labour needs right now for a leader is someone who has yet to sit in Parliament and who is a human rights lawyer by background.

    And who, in 2007, represented two alleged terrorists in a case in the House of Lords in which he successfully challenged their control orders on human rights grounds.

    He also decided not to prosecute PC Simon Harwood over the death of Ian Tomlinson.

  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    edited May 2015
    Another GoT moment in UKIP
    Nigel, the First of his Name, is now sitting on the Iron Throne: all in the throne room must now bend the knee and swear fealty to him. :)

    Mr Farage tells The Telegraph he is prepared to become a more 'autocratic' leader to impose his will on the party

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/11607607/Nigel-Farage-tells-critics-swear-loyalty-to-me-or-leave-Ukip.html?WT.mc_id=e_DM18207&WT.tsrc=email&etype=Edi_FPM_New&utm_source=email&utm_medium=Edi_FPM_New_2015_05_15&utm_campaign=DM18207

    But can the Torygraph be believed?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Election data:

    North East region:

    2015:
    Lab: 557,100 (46.89%)
    Con: 300,943 (25.33%)
    UKIP: 198,823 (16.73%)
    LD: 77,095 (6.49%)
    Greens: 43,051 (3.62%)
    Others: 11,201 (0.94%)
    TOTAL: 1,188,213

    2010:
    Lab: 518,261 (43.55%)
    Con: 282,347 (23.73%)
    LD: 280,468 (23.57%)
    UKIP: 32,196 (2.72%)
    Greens: 3,787 (0.32%)
    Others: 72,864 (6.12%)
    TOTAL: 1,189,923

    Changes:
    Lab: +3.33%
    Con: +1.60%
    UKIP: +14.03%
    LD: -17.08%
    Greens: +3.30%
    Others: -5.18%

    Swing, Con to Lab: 0.87%
  • Cyclefree said:

    antifrank said:

    I'm prepared to be shown to be wrong, but I'm not completely convinced that what Labour needs right now for a leader is someone who has yet to sit in Parliament and who is a human rights lawyer by background.

    And who, in 2007, represented two alleged terrorists in a case in the House of Lords in which he successfully challenged their control orders on human rights grounds.

    He also decided not to prosecute PC Simon Harwood over the death of Ian Tomlinson.

    Was he involved in the decision to prosecute Simon Walsh?
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    AndyJS said:

    Election data:

    North East region:

    Changes:
    Lab: +3.33%
    Con: +1.60%
    UKIP: +14.03%
    LD: -17.08%
    Greens: +3.30%
    Others: -5.18%

    Swing, Con to Lab: 0.87%

    Quoting ppts as %s are highly misleading.

    Actual percentage changes are
    Lab +7.47%
    Con +6.59%
    Lib -72.51%
    Kip +517.54%
    Grn +1036.81%

    So the biggest surge is the Green Surge.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,738
    Douglas Carswell in the Times

    Farage needs to take a break from Ukip

    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/article4441822.ece
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Dair said:

    AndyJS said:

    Election data:

    North East region:

    Changes:
    Lab: +3.33%
    Con: +1.60%
    UKIP: +14.03%
    LD: -17.08%
    Greens: +3.30%
    Others: -5.18%

    Swing, Con to Lab: 0.87%

    Quoting ppts as %s are highly misleading.

    Actual percentage changes are
    Lab +7.47%
    Con +6.59%
    Lib -72.51%
    Kip +517.54%
    Grn +1036.81%

    So the biggest surge is the Green Surge.
    I'm following the standard way of reporting election results. I know readers of the Economist don't like mixing up percentages and percentage points...
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,548

    Cyclefree said:

    antifrank said:

    I'm prepared to be shown to be wrong, but I'm not completely convinced that what Labour needs right now for a leader is someone who has yet to sit in Parliament and who is a human rights lawyer by background.

    And who, in 2007, represented two alleged terrorists in a case in the House of Lords in which he successfully challenged their control orders on human rights grounds.

    He also decided not to prosecute PC Simon Harwood over the death of Ian Tomlinson.

    Was he involved in the decision to prosecute Simon Walsh?
    I don't know. One would imagine so given how controversial a prosecution that was. But the CPS cam be a very dysfunctional organisation so who can say? Ultimately, as the boss he takes responsibility.

    I'm not opposed to people from the public sector going into politics. That experience can be tremendously valuable, though it has to be said that Parliament does not lack lawyers. But if you do go in then expect your record to be scrutinised.

    The difficulty he faces is that his decisions as DPP are, by their nature, likely to be controversial and the cases he takes on as a barrister may not reflect his actual views because of the cab rank principle. But explaining this to Mr and Mrs Joe will tend to sound like a lawyerly excuse and, probably, not a convincing one. In any case, the human rights industry is not hugely popular, lawyers are never popular and both of these characteristics do not, prima facie (!), seem likely to endear him to the sorts of voters Labour now need to attract.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,738

    NEW THREAD

  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,957

    Another one of Nigel Farage's personal choices to be a UKIP MEP. The due diligence failure on this jail bird beggars belief.
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/15/former-ukip-mep-guilty-fraud-ashley-mote

    Mote used EC money to fund his defence in the first trial and then avoided a long enough jail term so that he resumed as an MEP to trouser £500,000 in expenses!

    UKIP do seem to rather like expenses and allowances with the honourable exception of Carswell.
  • JohnLoonyJohnLoony Posts: 1,790

    London Assembly Member Valerie Shawcross (Labour, Lambeth and Southwark) has announced she will retire next year. She has been a London AM since the creation of the Assembly in 2000. Previously she has led Croydon Council where she has been a Cllr from 1994 to 2000.

    I note that a number of Conservative London Assembly Members have moved to Parliament last week..

    James Cleverly, now MP for Braintree
    Kit Malthaouse, now MP for NW Hampshire
    Victoria Borwick, now MP for Kensington

    Labour AM John Biggs is running to become Tower Hamlets Mayor next month

    Valerie Shawcross missed out on the nomination for the Croydon North by-election by a margin of only 3 votes. It was awkward timing, because one issue of concern was whether she would resign as GLA member, thereby causing an expensive by-election. If Malcolm Wicks had died a few months earlier, or a few years later, she would have had a better chance of being selected (and thus becoming Croydon's first woman MP). IMHO she would have been a better MP than Steve Reed.

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