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May need to be re-worked. From the Conservative manifesto:
In the next Parliament, we will address the unfairness of the current Parliamentary boundaries, reduce the number of MPs to 600 to cut the cost of politics and make votes of more equal value. We will implement the boundary reforms that Parliament has already approved and make them apply automatically once the Boundary Commission reports in 2018.
May need to be re-worked. From the Conservative manifesto:
In the next Parliament, we will address the unfairness of the current Parliamentary boundaries, reduce the number of MPs to 600 to cut the cost of politics and make votes of more equal value. We will implement the boundary reforms that Parliament has already approved and make them apply automatically once the Boundary Commission reports in 2018.
So the boundaries that were worked up, will they be implemented or just there as a fall back?
We've passed peak Kipper. They are not taking the referendum seriously, and instead look set to fall back into a 'country's gone to the dogs' protest party, a sort of BNP without the nasty bits. There's certainly room for such a party, but I'd be astonshed if the GE2020 vote share isn't down on GE2015.
Apparently going out into the world and making oodles of money is not too appealing to Mr Balls...I wonder how many highly paid job offers...as an Economist... he has had since Friday..
Philip_Thompson said: » show previous quotes I think you're right, so no bet there.
What "line" would you currently put on how many seats you expect UKIP to have after the next election?
Haven't given it any thought really... I'd expect us to win a few by elections between now and then
Maybe, but you'll have competition now from a non-Miliband Labour party and a non-governing LibDem party. UKIP have had a free ride up to now.
People can vote for Ukip now knowing they won't be letting in Miliband or the SNP... Remains to be seen who labour pick as leader, that could win some kippers back, but equally could cement some too
We've passed peak Kipper. They are not taking the referendum seriously, and instead look set to fall back into a 'country's gone to the dogs' protest party, a sort of BNP without the nasty bits. There's certainly room for such a party, but I'd be astonshed if the GE2020 vote share isn't down on GE2015.
Do you have a view on where the UKIP votes will go, or do you think they are mostly up for grabs?
We've passed peak Kipper. They are not taking the referendum seriously, and instead look set to fall back into a 'country's gone to the dogs' protest party, a sort of BNP without the nasty bits. There's certainly room for such a party, but I'd be astonshed if the GE2020 vote share isn't down on GE2015.
If that is the case, it could be good news for Labour.
May need to be re-worked. From the Conservative manifesto:
In the next Parliament, we will address the unfairness of the current Parliamentary boundaries, reduce the number of MPs to 600 to cut the cost of politics and make votes of more equal value. We will implement the boundary reforms that Parliament has already approved and make them apply automatically once the Boundary Commission reports in 2018.
Interesting. It suggests removing both Houses of Parliament's right to veto the draft Order in Council giving effect to the boundary changes (Parliamentary Constituencies Act 1986, s. 4(3)), and imposing a duty on the Secretary of State to submit a draft of the Order to Her Majesty for approval. The difficulty will be whether it will be possible to retain the ouster clause protecting the Order in Council from judicial review if the requirement for Parliamentary approval is abrogated. Section 4(7) of the Act provides:
The validity of any Order in Council purporting to be made under this Act and reciting that a draft of the Order has been approved by resolution of each House of Parliament shall not be called in question in any legal proceedings whatsoever.
The courts will be far less likely to respect an ouster clause which excludes review of a purely executive function. Making approval of the boundary changes automatic will be of limited use if the making of the Order in Council is subject to lengthy judicial review proceedings, as occurred before the passage of the 1986 Act.
We've passed peak Kipper. They are not taking the referendum seriously, and instead look set to fall back into a 'country's gone to the dogs' protest party, a sort of BNP without the nasty bits. There's certainly room for such a party, but I'd be astonshed if the GE2020 vote share isn't down on GE2015.
Absolutely. Its just dawning on everyone it seems that Cameron pledging an In/Out referendum have meant UKIP have morphed away from a "we need a vote on Europe" party that appealed to the Tory right ... and into a "we don't like modernity" grumpy people's party that appeals as much if not more to lifelong Labour voters.
Its not a serious party of government. And Tory voters by and large are so not due to any romance to the Tory party but because they act and vote seriously. That is why UKIP won't defeat the Conservatives - but could under a new Red Kipper leader deal an immense amount of damage to the Northern heartlands of Labour.
We've passed peak Kipper. They are not taking the referendum seriously, and instead look set to fall back into a 'country's gone to the dogs' protest party, a sort of BNP without the nasty bits. There's certainly room for such a party, but I'd be astonshed if the GE2020 vote share isn't down on GE2015.
Who knows? I'd sell astonished.
I think if the polls showing neck and neck had been accurate or if the polls had been showing the actual result we would have won a few seats. It was a perfect storm for non kippers
Apparently going out into the world and making oodles of money is not too appealing to Mr Balls...I wonder how many highly paid job offers...as an Economist... he has had since Friday..
I blame this Tory led government for ruining the economy and destroying job opportunities such that Ed Balls has no choice but either sign on or try and get back into parliament.
Been out ... sorry if already covered.. not half as much as I did!
The Prime Minister also congratulated the newly elected Victoria Borwick with a bear hug as she went in, and told the huddle of hacks that one of the stand-out moments for him was seeing Kelly Tolhurst beat Mark Reckless in Rochester.
If Balls wants to come back, he would do better to wait a while. A mid-term by-election is always easier to win.
Yes, but would any constituency want him? Of course his wife could always stand down and let him have her seat - what are the odds on that?
Portillo came back. Like Mike, Ed needs to learn some humility. Part of that is a spell in the wilderness. Plenty of constituency parties like the idea of being represented by a big beast.
We've passed peak Kipper. They are not taking the referendum seriously, and instead look set to fall back into a 'country's gone to the dogs' protest party, a sort of BNP without the nasty bits. There's certainly room for such a party, but I'd be astonshed if the GE2020 vote share isn't down on GE2015.
Do you have a view on where the UKIP votes will go, or do you think they are mostly up for grabs?
Well, I'm sure people like Rob Ford will be doing a proper analysis of where UKIP did well, but my initial impression is that (as I had suggested here might happen) there was more UKIP->Con swingback than there was UKIP->Lab swingback. It's possible that in the end they damaged Lab more than Con. So in principle there could be an opportunity for Labour to gain more if I'm right and UKIP does decline.
Still, it's rather early to speculate. It depends a lot on whether UKIP continue their shift leftwards, and on whether Labour manage to revive their appeal to the WWC.
We've passed peak Kipper. They are not taking the referendum seriously, and instead look set to fall back into a 'country's gone to the dogs' protest party, a sort of BNP without the nasty bits. There's certainly room for such a party, but I'd be astonshed if the GE2020 vote share isn't down on GE2015.
If that is the case, it could be good news for Labour.
It's more likely to be wishful thinking in the midst of a honeymoon period
We've passed peak Kipper. They are not taking the referendum seriously, and instead look set to fall back into a 'country's gone to the dogs' protest party, a sort of BNP without the nasty bits. There's certainly room for such a party, but I'd be astonshed if the GE2020 vote share isn't down on GE2015.
Do you have a view on where the UKIP votes will go, or do you think they are mostly up for grabs?
Well, I'm sure people like Rob Ford will be doing a proper analysis of where UKIP did well, but my initial impression is that (as I had suggested here might happen) there was more UKIP->Con swingback than there was UKIP->Lab swingback. It's possible that in the end they damaged Lab more than Con. So in principle there could be an opportunity for Labour to gain more if I'm right and UKIP does decline.
Still, it's rather early to speculate. It depends a lot on whether UKIP continue their shift leftwards, and on whether Labour manage to revive their appeal to the WWC.
Is that Rob "UKIP have four seats in the bag" Ford? That Rob Ford?
Excellent and interesting data, as always. What seats , I wonder, could the Tories expect to aim for if they do get this parliament right?
I noticed shrinking majorities in the Stoke seats for example. Tristram might be vulnerable, especially if the Tories could find a worker or BME candidate.
We've passed peak Kipper. They are not taking the referendum seriously, and instead look set to fall back into a 'country's gone to the dogs' protest party, a sort of BNP without the nasty bits. There's certainly room for such a party, but I'd be astonshed if the GE2020 vote share isn't down on GE2015.
If that is the case, it could be good news for Labour.
It's more likely to be wishful thinking in the midst of a honeymoon period
There is ever such a slight whiff of hubris and triumphalism in the PB air these days. Understandable, of course, but worth remembering for the times when things are not so good for the Tories as they are right now. One good thing about getting older is that you get a sense of perspective. We have been here before. Things change. Sometimes very quickly.
Looks like Gatwick wins the extra runway... but don't rule out the runway extension at Heathrow, as it's not "a new runway". Personally, I think they will go for both.
We've passed peak Kipper. They are not taking the referendum seriously, and instead look set to fall back into a 'country's gone to the dogs' protest party, a sort of BNP without the nasty bits. There's certainly room for such a party, but I'd be astonshed if the GE2020 vote share isn't down on GE2015.
Do you have a view on where the UKIP votes will go, or do you think they are mostly up for grabs?
Well, I'm sure people like Rob Ford will be doing a proper analysis of where UKIP did well, but my initial impression is that (as I had suggested here might happen) there was more UKIP->Con swingback than there was UKIP->Lab swingback. It's possible that in the end they damaged Lab more than Con. So in principle there could be an opportunity for Labour to gain more if I'm right and UKIP does decline.
Still, it's rather early to speculate. It depends a lot on whether UKIP continue their shift leftwards, and on whether Labour manage to revive their appeal to the WWC.
Is that Rob "UKIP have four seats in the bag" Ford? That Rob Ford?
We've passed peak Kipper. They are not taking the referendum seriously, and instead look set to fall back into a 'country's gone to the dogs' protest party, a sort of BNP without the nasty bits. There's certainly room for such a party, but I'd be astonshed if the GE2020 vote share isn't down on GE2015.
If that is the case, it could be good news for Labour.
It's more likely to be wishful thinking in the midst of a honeymoon period
There is ever such a slight whiff of hubris and triumphalism in the PB air these days. Understandable, of course, but worth remembering for the times when things are not so good for the Tories as they are right now. One good thing about getting older is that you get a sense of perspective. We have been here before. Things change. Sometimes very quickly.
I think there's a rocky road ahead. As you say, people have been variously predicting the death of the Left (or Right) for decades. The country deserves a period of good government that's not based on ideology but common sense and compassion. I hope we get it.
Looks like Gatwick wins the extra runway... but don't rule out the runway extension at Heathrow, as it's not "a new runway". Personally, I think they will go for both.
What s the position with members of cabinet and the EU referendum? Will they have to follow a line or are they going to be free to campaign as they wish?
We've passed peak Kipper. They are not taking the referendum seriously, and instead look set to fall back into a 'country's gone to the dogs' protest party, a sort of BNP without the nasty bits. There's certainly room for such a party, but I'd be astonshed if the GE2020 vote share isn't down on GE2015.
Do you have a view on where the UKIP votes will go, or do you think they are mostly up for grabs?
Well, I'm sure people like Rob Ford will be doing a proper analysis of where UKIP did well, but my initial impression is that (as I had suggested here might happen) there was more UKIP->Con swingback than there was UKIP->Lab swingback. It's possible that in the end they damaged Lab more than Con. So in principle there could be an opportunity for Labour to gain more if I'm right and UKIP does decline.
Still, it's rather early to speculate. It depends a lot on whether UKIP continue their shift leftwards, and on whether Labour manage to revive their appeal to the WWC.
Is that Rob "UKIP have four seats in the bag" Ford? That Rob Ford?
That's the one!
Well he does have a new book out soon.
High point of this year was him criticising the ComRes Thanet South poll without seeing the data tables.
He swiftly deleted those tweets when the data tables came out.
What s the position with members of cabinet and the EU referendum? Will they have to follow a line or are they going to be free to campaign as they wish?
Not clear yet, but there will be a hell of a row if they are not free to campaign on either side. If I were Dave I wouldn't take that one on.
Mr observer you are of course correct. But remember, we are coming off a period where the picture of English politics we were sold was an utterly incorrect one. I felt in my deepest instinct that the polls and the presentation of Ed as a serious contender for prime minister were completely wrong. And you can check my many posts to that effect.
We've passed peak Kipper. They are not taking the referendum seriously, and instead look set to fall back into a 'country's gone to the dogs' protest party, a sort of BNP without the nasty bits. There's certainly room for such a party, but I'd be astonshed if the GE2020 vote share isn't down on GE2015.
If that is the case, it could be good news for Labour.
It's more likely to be wishful thinking in the midst of a honeymoon period
There is ever such a slight whiff of hubris and triumphalism in the PB air these days. Understandable, of course, but worth remembering for the times when things are not so good for the Tories as they are right now. One good thing about getting older is that you get a sense of perspective. We have been here before. Things change. Sometimes very quickly.
Indeed.. But it is understandable, they won!
'Look in the book' as they say in cricket
Tory backbenchers can now defeat the govt in a way that wasn't possible when the coalition was in charge. Many Cameroons preferred the coalition because of this.
Also, a vote for Ukip in the future will not mean Miliband or Sturgeon in charge. If Miliband was PM many con-ukip waverers would be blaming themselves for voting Ukip. I don't think ex lab that voted Ukip are blaming themselves for the Cameron majority, I am certainly not
We've passed peak Kipper. They are not taking the referendum seriously, and instead look set to fall back into a 'country's gone to the dogs' protest party, a sort of BNP without the nasty bits. There's certainly room for such a party, but I'd be astonshed if the GE2020 vote share isn't down on GE2015.
If that is the case, it could be good news for Labour.
It's more likely to be wishful thinking in the midst of a honeymoon period
There is ever such a slight whiff of hubris and triumphalism in the PB air these days. Understandable, of course, but worth remembering for the times when things are not so good for the Tories as they are right now. One good thing about getting older is that you get a sense of perspective. We have been here before. Things change. Sometimes very quickly.
Yes I know you didn't engage in it personally but the triumphalism of IOS and many other lefties here on Wednesday night after ICM etc showed a tie was quite a sight to behold. Changed very quickly afterwards too as you said.
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What are the odds available for Vince Cable to appear on the next series of Strictly? Surely a good shout?!
Haven't given it any thought really... I'd expect us to win a few by elections between now and then
May need to be re-worked. From the Conservative manifesto:
In the next Parliament, we will address the unfairness of the current Parliamentary boundaries, reduce the number of MPs to 600 to cut the cost of politics and make votes of more equal value. We will implement the boundary reforms that Parliament has already approved and make them apply automatically once the Boundary Commission reports in 2018.
Norman Lamb confirms to ITV Anglia that he will stand for the Lib Dem leadership
Phew. I'm on Lamb from a while back
Haven't given it any thought really... I'd expect us to win a few by elections between now and then
Maybe, but you'll have competition now from a non-Miliband Labour party and a non-governing LibDem party. UKIP have had a free ride up to now.
Haven't given it any thought really... I'd expect us to win a few by elections between now and then
Fair enough. I suppose it will be a while until bookies putting up line markets? Not sure what the timescale is for next election markets to open up.
Ed won more seats for Labour than Foot did in 1983 or Kinnock did in 1987!
'@Casino_Royale
'The question is what happens if the Tories drop 45 seats at 2020GE. They'd probably be on around 290-300 under the new boundaries.
A majority in England and a veto on EVEL, but not in the wider UK and no obvious coalition partners.'
But under the new boundaries and seat reduction to 600 they would only need 301 for a majority + the possibility of support from DUP / UUP.
Sunil Prasannan @Sunil_P2 · 18h 18 hours ago
Disgusting pro-#Labour bias on the London Underground ( #Tube )
https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/597469272923885569
People can vote for Ukip now knowing they won't be letting in Miliband or the SNP... Remains to be seen who labour pick as leader, that could win some kippers back, but equally could cement some too
My apologies for this. I'm trying to find simple way of showing Andy's tables.
'I'm not sure, but I think that by default they will be implenented as previously proposed. Maybe with some minor updating, though.'
Yes, by default,the Lib Dems only blocked implementation for the 2015 GE.
Gone for 50 years.
Note that well people confident on a 1,000 year Tory reich
***RESULTS RESULTS RESULTS***
https://www.dropbox.com/s/6mb2iroir0odk1h/2015results.csv?dl=0
It's a CSV file of all the results from the this general election
A bigger swing to take back Glasgow Central than to defeat IDS in Chingford & Woodford Green?
That list is so funny, in so many ways.
Its not a serious party of government. And Tory voters by and large are so not due to any romance to the Tory party but because they act and vote seriously. That is why UKIP won't defeat the Conservatives - but could under a new Red Kipper leader deal an immense amount of damage to the Northern heartlands of Labour.
I think if the polls showing neck and neck had been accurate or if the polls had been showing the actual result we would have won a few seats. It was a perfect storm for non kippers
The Prime Minister also congratulated the newly elected Victoria Borwick with a bear hug as she went in, and told the huddle of hacks that one of the stand-out moments for him was seeing Kelly Tolhurst beat Mark Reckless in Rochester.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/05/a-chipper-cameron-begins-to-woo-the-1922-committee/
Hey, I was with you all the time! Didn't we do great on Thursday night?!
How many of the 50 would be blue seats anyway ? 15 ?
Add in natural wastage and there might not be many disgruntled.
You need to do some penance before you can become a PB Tory again.
Still, it's rather early to speculate. It depends a lot on whether UKIP continue their shift leftwards, and on whether Labour manage to revive their appeal to the WWC.
I'm an extremely shy Tory.
In fact I'm so painfully shy, I found myself physically incapable of marking an 'X' in the Con box on my ballot paper.
http://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/archaeologists-india-discovery-ancient-hero-stones-retell-epic-battles-020329
That said I've been a member of the Tory party for 18 years and I'm still shy in so many ways.
I noticed shrinking majorities in the Stoke seats for example. Tristram might be vulnerable, especially if the Tories could find a worker or BME candidate.
Personally, I think they will go for both.
High point of this year was him criticising the ComRes Thanet South poll without seeing the data tables.
He swiftly deleted those tweets when the data tables came out.
Tweet them. Then include a link to the tweet in your post.
'Look in the book' as they say in cricket
Tory backbenchers can now defeat the govt in a way that wasn't possible when the coalition was in charge. Many Cameroons preferred the coalition because of this.
Also, a vote for Ukip in the future will not mean Miliband or Sturgeon in charge. If Miliband was PM many con-ukip waverers would be blaming themselves for voting Ukip. I don't think ex lab that voted Ukip are blaming themselves for the Cameron majority, I am certainly not