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imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » If you’ve been seat betting based on the Ashcroft polls then Nuneaton could be the first test

The point I’ll be waiting for on the night will be the first LAB-CON marginals to declare. These are the seats that will determine which party comes top and all that could mean in the post-election bantering.

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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,977
    Not sure I buy the UKIP to Greens move in Nuneaton.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,459
    TNS is the new Gold Standard?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    Ed NEEDS to win Nuneaton. Dave can afford to drop it.

    Pudsey I reckon is the other way round.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,459
    Nuneaton to Coventry train is an hourly service provided by a single carriage Class 153 "bubble car"!
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    OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    Banter!
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    So what seat this year is going to be like Basildon 92?
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    OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143

    Not sure I buy the UKIP to Greens move in Nuneaton.

    Duh. Churn.
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    Bob__SykesBob__Sykes Posts: 1,176
    An "FPT repost", not because it was worthy, just posted it as the new thread appeared...
    SouthamObserver said:
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    Rugby League may also have had something to do with Cheshire's lack of top flight football teams: Warrington and Widnes were (are?) pretty big deals in the county and probably took a fair bit of working class support away from football.

    That'll be Warrington and Widnes in the County Palatine of Lancaster, north of the Mersey? ;-)

    Any debate or discussion involving things being placed in counties is impossible these days after successive Governments spent millions continuously buggering about with the boundaries....
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    edited April 2015

    So what seat this year is going to be like Basildon 92?

    The defence of Dundee West.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,459
    Tissue Price will probably have another moan, but the TNS percentages to 2 d.p. are:

    TORY 206 = 33.88
    Lab 202 = 33.22
    UKIP 93 = 15.30
    LD 44 = 7.24
    Green 29 = 4.77

    Weighted base 608.
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    An "FPT repost", not because it was worthy, just posted it as the new thread appeared...

    SouthamObserver said:
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    Rugby League may also have had something to do with Cheshire's lack of top flight football teams: Warrington and Widnes were (are?) pretty big deals in the county and probably took a fair bit of working class support away from football.

    That'll be Warrington and Widnes in the County Palatine of Lancaster, north of the Mersey? ;-)

    Any debate or discussion involving things being placed in counties is impossible these days after successive Governments spent millions continuously buggering about with the boundaries....

    My plan is to have just two English counties.

    Great Yorkshire and Not Yorkshire.

    Yes I'm aware Great Yorkshire is a tautology.
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    edited April 2015
    Hmm. Several things spring to mind..

    1) looks like swingback is underway
    2) Dave's insistence on the Greens in the debates was strategically very sound (frankly at the time I couldn't understand why they would want someone who was clearly very strange....)
    3) Nicola Sturgeon doing so well.. is going to have the opposite effect that one might have thought.
    4) ironic the Scots like her so much yet loathed Maggie... Give Sturgeon time, she will be equally loathed.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,602
    edited April 2015
    Pulpstar said:

    So what seat this year is going to be like Basildon 92?

    The defence of Dundee West.
    My second choice was Berwickshire
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Pulpstar said:

    So what seat this year is going to be like Basildon 92?

    The defence of Dundee West.
    The only way that Labour could save that seat now is mass hypnosis.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    Holds I don't want to see:

    Somerton & Frome
    Dundee West
    Brent Central
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,459

    So what seat this year is going to be like Basildon 92?

    Ilford North of course! :lol:
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    It must be a while since the Tories won four polls on the bounce, all from different firms.
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    Lib Dem Life @libdemlife
    Man who might be PM in 10 days hasn't even got the strength to ask Brand to come to him. God helps us if he ever has to stand up to Putin
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    antifrank said:

    Pulpstar said:

    So what seat this year is going to be like Basildon 92?

    The defence of Dundee West.
    The only way that Labour could save that seat now is mass hypnosis.
    Have you heard Murphy on the TV :P ?
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,941

    Lib Dem Life @libdemlife
    Man who might be PM in 10 days hasn't even got the strength to ask Brand to come to him. God helps us if he ever has to stand up to Putin

    Oh, he just wants to get some ideas for his new kitchen.

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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,072
    Pulpstar said:

    Holds I don't want to see:

    Somerton & Frome
    Dundee West
    Brent Central

    If the LibDems hold Brent Central, they will be on for more than 100 seats, and a lot of people will lose a lot of money.
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    OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143

    So what seat this year is going to be like Basildon 92?

    Nuneaton. If the Tories hold it then Cameron will be PM, pretty much. At the same time Dagenham & Rainham should give a pointer to the swings that UKIP will achieve.
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    So what seat this year is going to be like Basildon 92?

    Ilford North of course! :lol:
    I'm hopeful that's a Con hold
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,602
    edited April 2015
    Pulpstar said:

    Holds I don't want to see:

    Somerton & Frome
    Dundee West
    Brent Central

    Raheem Sterling has backed Dawn Butler.

    I'm assuming it was straight after he had been on the nitrous oxide


    http://tinyurl.com/lq63tg9
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,723

    Nuneaton to Coventry train is an hourly service provided by a single carriage Class 153 "bubble car"!

    I believe the approved nickname for a 153 is "Cupboard". Bubble Car should be reserved for 1st generation single car bog-units.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,459
    edited April 2015
    part-ELBOWs so far this week:

    "official" = 0.1% Lab lead
    YouGovs-only = 0.7% Lab lead
    Non-YouGovs = 0.6% TORY lead

    Take your pick :)
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,459

    It must be a while since the Tories won four polls on the bounce, all from different firms.

    They were even 0.34% ahead in the YG that Tissue Price mentioned in the previous!
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,723

    An "FPT repost", not because it was worthy, just posted it as the new thread appeared...

    SouthamObserver said:
    » show previous quotes
    Rugby League may also have had something to do with Cheshire's lack of top flight football teams: Warrington and Widnes were (are?) pretty big deals in the county and probably took a fair bit of working class support away from football.

    That'll be Warrington and Widnes in the County Palatine of Lancaster, north of the Mersey? ;-)

    Any debate or discussion involving things being placed in counties is impossible these days after successive Governments spent millions continuously buggering about with the boundaries....
    My plan is to have just two English counties.

    Great Yorkshire and Not Yorkshire.

    Yes I'm aware Great Yorkshire is a tautology.

    Fine by me - means that you're stuck with Middlesbrough!
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820

    Hmm. Several things spring to mind..

    1) looks like swingback is underway
    2) Dave's insistence on the Greens in the debates was strategically very sound (frankly at the time I couldn't understand why they would want someone who was clearly very strange....)
    3) Nicola Sturgeon doing so well.. is going to have the opposite effect that one might have thought.
    4) ironic the Scots like her so much yet loathed Maggie... Give Sturgeon time, she will be equally loathed.

    They didn't loathe Maggie. That's a myth which has been created (like most of the myths about Maggie) years after the event, like the even more bizarre myth about the poll tax in Scotland.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    edited April 2015

    So what seat this year is going to be like Basildon 92?

    Ilford North of course! :lol:
    I'm hopeful that's a Con hold
    I think I might make more money if the Cons hold Ilford North now. But its a bit hazy.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,459

    Nuneaton to Coventry train is an hourly service provided by a single carriage Class 153 "bubble car"!

    I believe the approved nickname for a 153 is "Cupboard". Bubble Car should be reserved for 1st generation single car bog-units.
    Ah, yeah, you're probably right - the Class 121 and 122.

    I've been on a 121 - from Aylesbury to Quainton Road, August Bank Holiday 2012.
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    Tissue Price will probably have another moan, but the TNS percentages to 2 d.p. are:

    TORY 206 = 33.88
    Lab 202 = 33.22
    UKIP 93 = 15.30
    LD 44 = 7.24
    Green 29 = 4.77

    Weighted base 608.

    On cue...

    Why produce figures to 2dp? Again, the 206 etc. are rounded inputs (to 0dp) so generating a 2dp outcome is a classic case of false precision.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,459

    So what seat this year is going to be like Basildon 92?

    Ilford North of course! :lol:
    I'm hopeful that's a Con hold
    Lee Scott = David Amess?
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    OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143

    It must be a while since the Tories won four polls on the bounce, all from different firms.

    October 2010. They did win four polls on the bounce in December 2011 (Veto), but three of them were YouGov.
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830

    Hmm. Several things spring to mind..

    1) looks like swingback is underway
    2) Dave's insistence on the Greens in the debates was strategically very sound (frankly at the time I couldn't understand why they would want someone who was clearly very strange....)
    3) Nicola Sturgeon doing so well.. is going to have the opposite effect that one might have thought.
    4) ironic the Scots like her so much yet loathed Maggie... Give Sturgeon time, she will be equally loathed.

    Why would Sturgeon be as loathed as Thatcher in Scotland?
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    Carnyx said:

    Lib Dem Life @libdemlife
    Man who might be PM in 10 days hasn't even got the strength to ask Brand to come to him. God helps us if he ever has to stand up to Putin

    Oh, he just wants to get some ideas for his new kitchen.

    Oh, Ed just wants to get some ideas for his new kitchens.
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    ArtistArtist Posts: 1,883
    City of Chester could be Labour's first gain at 0230 if they don't get Nuneaton or either of the Northampton seats. Quite a long wait from the 10pm exit poll.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    Pulpstar said:

    Holds I don't want to see:

    Somerton & Frome
    Dundee West
    Brent Central

    Raheem Sterling has backed Dawn Butler.

    I'm assuming it was straight after he had been on the nitrous oxide


    http://tinyurl.com/lq63tg9
    Are we sure that isn't a member of her staff?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/4321614/My-staff-wrote-Barack-Obama-tribute-junior-minister-Dawn-Butler-admits.html
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,941

    Carnyx said:

    Lib Dem Life @libdemlife
    Man who might be PM in 10 days hasn't even got the strength to ask Brand to come to him. God helps us if he ever has to stand up to Putin

    Oh, he just wants to get some ideas for his new kitchen.

    Oh, Ed just wants to get some ideas for his new kitchens.
    Yes, Ed has curtains to choose ...

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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited April 2015
    ASHCROFT MARGINALS BY CON-LAB CONSTITUENCY SWING (brackets = Question 1 national swing )

    Latest Midlands swings by subsample averages by other pollsters.

    MIDLANDS
    6.5 (4.0) WM Cannock Chase
    6.2 YOUGOV (incl Wales)
    6.0 (5.0) EM Milton Keynes South
    5.0 (4.0) EM Nuneaton
    4.3 SURVATION
    4.0 (3.5) EE Great Yarmouth
    4.0 ICM
    3.8 POPULUS

    3.5 (4.5) EM High Peak
    3.0 (1.0) WM Dudley South
    3.0 (2.5) WM Halesowen
    2.8 IPSOS MORI
    2.1 ASHCROFT
    2.0 COMRES

    0.5 (1.5) EE Harlow
    0.5 (0.5) EE Thurrock
    0.5 (2.0) EM Loughborough
    0.0 (1.0) EE Castle Point
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,459

    Hmm. Several things spring to mind..

    1) looks like swingback is underway
    2) Dave's insistence on the Greens in the debates was strategically very sound (frankly at the time I couldn't understand why they would want someone who was clearly very strange....)
    3) Nicola Sturgeon doing so well.. is going to have the opposite effect that one might have thought.
    4) ironic the Scots like her so much yet loathed Maggie... Give Sturgeon time, she will be equally loathed.

    Why would Sturgeon be as loathed as Thatcher in Scotland?
    "In Politics, if you want anything said, ask a man; if you want anything done, ask a woman!" - Maggie, 1965.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited April 2015
    antifrank said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Holds I don't want to see:

    Somerton & Frome
    Dundee West
    Brent Central

    Raheem Sterling has backed Dawn Butler.

    I'm assuming it was straight after he had been on the nitrous oxide


    http://tinyurl.com/lq63tg9
    Are we sure that isn't a member of her staff?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/4321614/My-staff-wrote-Barack-Obama-tribute-junior-minister-Dawn-Butler-admits.html
    Dawn Bulter standing again...jeez I thought we had got rid of people like her...no shame...back claiming the max expenses.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,075

    Nuneaton to Coventry train is an hourly service provided by a single carriage Class 153 "bubble car"!

    I believe the approved nickname for a 153 is "Cupboard". Bubble Car should be reserved for 1st generation single car bog-units.
    You've out-geeked me on that one. ;-)

    Although perhaps it should refer to the earlier Flying Bananas (even if they did operate on the GWR):
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GWR_railcars
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    AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621

    Hmm. Several things spring to mind..

    1) looks like swingback is underway
    2) Dave's insistence on the Greens in the debates was strategically very sound (frankly at the time I couldn't understand why they would want someone who was clearly very strange....)
    3) Nicola Sturgeon doing so well.. is going to have the opposite effect that one might have thought.
    4) ironic the Scots like her so much yet loathed Maggie... Give Sturgeon time, she will be equally loathed.

    Why would Sturgeon be as loathed as Thatcher in Scotland?
    Yes, I though that was an odd comment. Unless the suggestion is that the Scots just loathe succesful female politicians. I'd hope that isn't what was meant.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,459


    Why produce figures to 2dp?

    "Because I can" comes the Laconic reply...


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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Hmm. Several things spring to mind..

    1) looks like swingback is underway
    2) Dave's insistence on the Greens in the debates was strategically very sound (frankly at the time I couldn't understand why they would want someone who was clearly very strange....)
    3) Nicola Sturgeon doing so well.. is going to have the opposite effect that one might have thought.
    4) ironic the Scots like her so much yet loathed Maggie... Give Sturgeon time, she will be equally loathed.

    They didn't loathe Maggie. That's a myth which has been created (like most of the myths about Maggie) years after the event, like the even more bizarre myth about the poll tax in Scotland.
    What poll tax myth?

    If it's the one about Scotland being a test bed that was confirmed as true by recently released cabinet papers.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,983

    So what seat this year is going to be like Basildon 92?

    I reckon Ipswich will be the bellwether. Hold this, and the Conservatives will probably have kept their losses to Labour down to a level at which they can form a government.

    Broxtowe is another pointer. Hold this, and Labour will be going backwards in terms of seats.

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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941

    Lib Dem Life @libdemlife
    Man who might be PM in 10 days hasn't even got the strength to ask Brand to come to him. God helps us if he ever has to stand up to Putin

    Apart from how bad it looks for Ed to go and see Brand rather than the other way around, what on Earth can be in it for Miliband to be associating with someone who has spent the last few months telling anyone who'll listen that there's no point in voting because they're all a bit shit?
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,072

    Lib Dem Life @libdemlife
    Man who might be PM in 10 days hasn't even got the strength to ask Brand to come to him. God helps us if he ever has to stand up to Putin

    It could be worse, he could have gone to @FalseFlag who would have taught him how to suck up to Putin.
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    AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621


    Why produce figures to 2dp?

    "Because I can" comes the Laconic reply...
    Even if your methodology is not perfect, I think it's good enough. I'm grateful that you spend the time and effort maintaining it.
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    TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited April 2015

    antifrank said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Holds I don't want to see:

    Somerton & Frome
    Dundee West
    Brent Central

    Raheem Sterling has backed Dawn Butler.

    I'm assuming it was straight after he had been on the nitrous oxide


    http://tinyurl.com/lq63tg9
    Are we sure that isn't a member of her staff?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/4321614/My-staff-wrote-Barack-Obama-tribute-junior-minister-Dawn-Butler-admits.html
    Dawn Bulter standing again...jeez I thought we had got rid of people like her...no shame...back claiming the max expenses.
    Another ghastly Labour droner who left with a fat payoff, yet hungers for another feast on the long suffering taxpayers largesse.
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Anorak said:

    Hmm. Several things spring to mind..

    1) looks like swingback is underway
    2) Dave's insistence on the Greens in the debates was strategically very sound (frankly at the time I couldn't understand why they would want someone who was clearly very strange....)
    3) Nicola Sturgeon doing so well.. is going to have the opposite effect that one might have thought.
    4) ironic the Scots like her so much yet loathed Maggie... Give Sturgeon time, she will be equally loathed.

    Why would Sturgeon be as loathed as Thatcher in Scotland?
    Yes, I though that was an odd comment. Unless the suggestion is that the Scots just loathe succesful female politicians. I'd hope that isn't what was meant.
    No it wasn't, it was about time served.. Mrs T stayed too long.. Blair definitely stayed too long.. Sturgeon will do the same.. they cannot bear to relinquish the levers of power, eventually others in the party want their chance and the knives get sharpened..
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited April 2015
    Sandpit said:

    Lib Dem Life @libdemlife
    Man who might be PM in 10 days hasn't even got the strength to ask Brand to come to him. God helps us if he ever has to stand up to Putin

    Apart from how bad it looks for Ed to go and see Brand rather than the other way around, what on Earth can be in it for Miliband to be associating with someone who has spent the last few months telling anyone who'll listen that there's no point in voting because they're all a bit shit?
    Maybe he will have a road to damascus type conversion and back Ed...just like he is all anti-tax dodgying, Starbucks, booo, Apple booo, Amazon, booo....oh by the way did I tell you I have a new movie out, which you can rent through their Amazon's online streaming service...drive on driver this top of the range merc won't drive itself, can't you see I need to film another "Trews" episode bashing these millionaire types who went to private school and get chaffeur driven around everywhere...oh thats me...up the workers...
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    FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    edited April 2015
    This is not personal, but how many ex-MPs who have received the 'redundancy' allowance and are elected back to their old seat will repay that cheque from the tax-payer. Does anyone have a list of such people (who are standing again after their 2010 redundancy)?
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    DanielDaniel Posts: 160
    I really cannot conclude why Ed Miliband would want to associate himself with Russell Brand; the Green Party thought he was too toxic.
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    Flightpath1Flightpath1 Posts: 207

    Carnyx said:

    Lib Dem Life @libdemlife
    Man who might be PM in 10 days hasn't even got the strength to ask Brand to come to him. God helps us if he ever has to stand up to Putin

    Oh, he just wants to get some ideas for his new kitchen.

    Oh, Ed just wants to get some ideas for his new kitchens.
    Why the late night secret visit? The neighbour who snapped the visit also revealed that Miliband drives around in an imported BMW - possibly a 7 Series.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,459
    Anorak said:


    Why produce figures to 2dp?

    "Because I can" comes the Laconic reply...
    Even if your methodology is not perfect, I think it's good enough. I'm grateful that you spend the time and effort maintaining it.
    Thank you! Actually I was just teasing Tissue Price :)

    For TNS, it's devilishly easy - all six numbers I need for ELBOW are there on page 1 of their table:

    http://www2.tnsglobal.com/l/36112/2015-04-28/4z77l3/36112/92380/BIF_Data_tables_28Apr2015.pdf

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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,713

    Sandpit said:

    Lib Dem Life @libdemlife
    Man who might be PM in 10 days hasn't even got the strength to ask Brand to come to him. God helps us if he ever has to stand up to Putin

    Apart from how bad it looks for Ed to go and see Brand rather than the other way around, what on Earth can be in it for Miliband to be associating with someone who has spent the last few months telling anyone who'll listen that there's no point in voting because they're all a bit shit?
    Maybe he will have a road to damascus type conversion and back Ed...just like he is all anti-tax dodgying, Starbucks, booo, Apple booo, Amazon, booo....oh by the way did I tell you I have a new movie out, which you can rent through their Amazon's online streaming service...drive on driver...
    On Milibrandgate

    http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2015/apr/28/brand-and-miliband-lets-pray-it-was-something-sordid-rather-than-political

    Brands not utterly thick, if he endorses Ed then it destroys his credibility.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    edited April 2015
    Alistair said:

    What poll tax myth?

    If it's the one about Scotland being a test bed that was confirmed as true by recently released cabinet papers.

    That's the one, and no it wasn't. The poll tax was introduced in Scotland first (at Scottish request, BTW) because otherwise there would have had to have been a full revaluation which would have been chucked away after one year.

    The Cabinet papers reference which people seized on was merely stating the obvious - that if you're introducing a big change, it's better to do it in one region initially to reduce implementation risk. However, that wasn't the reason Scotland introduced it first.
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    TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited April 2015

    Carnyx said:

    Lib Dem Life @libdemlife
    Man who might be PM in 10 days hasn't even got the strength to ask Brand to come to him. God helps us if he ever has to stand up to Putin

    Oh, he just wants to get some ideas for his new kitchen.

    Oh, Ed just wants to get some ideas for his new kitchens.
    Why the late night secret visit? The neighbour who snapped the visit also revealed that Miliband drives around in an imported BMW - possibly a 7 Series.
    It's a Government car. Until the GE, he'll get the full package from the Bullet Catchers, on the assumption that he might be the next PM.

    Late night visit, does look a bit shifty, doesn't it?

    'Labour's Ed Miliband says he agreed to an interview with comedian and political campaigner Russell Brand to liven up the election race.
    "Some people were saying the campaign was too boring so I thought it would make it more interesting," he said.'

    Of course you did Ed, of course.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    Probability of Dawn Butler getting elected if she was an independent ? 0%
    Probability of Dawn Butler getting elected with a red rosette in Brent Central ? 100%
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    SeanT said:

    Indescribable and mind-boggling article in Comment is Free.

    Francine Prose (a hitherto-respected author) compares the murdered Charlie Hebdo journalists to neo-Nazis, and continues from there.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/28/i-admire-charlie-hebdos-courage-but-it-does-not-deserve-a-pen-award#comment-51168796

    Peak Guardian?

    That pales into comparison...I was listening to a podcast about rent caps in NYC, and one way they get around it is by providing amentities like a free gym only to full paying tenants. One of the residents compared this to how Hilter treated the Jews....
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941

    Sandpit said:

    Lib Dem Life @libdemlife
    Man who might be PM in 10 days hasn't even got the strength to ask Brand to come to him. God helps us if he ever has to stand up to Putin

    Apart from how bad it looks for Ed to go and see Brand rather than the other way around, what on Earth can be in it for Miliband to be associating with someone who has spent the last few months telling anyone who'll listen that there's no point in voting because they're all a bit shit?
    Maybe he will have a road to damascus type conversion and back Ed...just like he is all anti-tax dodgying, Starbucks, booo, Apple booo, Amazon, booo....oh by the way did I tell you I have a new movie out, which you can rent through their Amazon's online streaming service...drive on driver...
    LOL - and you can now watch Amazon streaming service on your iPad while drinking Starbucks coffee!!
    Maybe they will try and make the last week of the election about their mutual hatred of Rupert Murdoch?
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,723
    Financier said:

    This is not personal, but how many ex-MPs who have received the 'redundancy' allowance and are elected back to their old seat will repay that cheque from the tax-payer. Does anyone have a list of such people (who are standing again after their 2010 redundancy)?

    And while they're at it - a list of NHS managers who were made redundant as part of the "reform" process and then were recruited back into roles in the new organisational structure.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,168
    Interesting figures on the voting preferences of various professions and jobs and classes in the Times Redbox yesterday

    City Workers and Finance Sector - Tory 46%, Labour 19%, LD 5%, Green 4%, UKIP 10%

    Health Sector Labour 31%, Tory 27%, LD 6%, Green 4%, UKIP 11%

    Students Labour 29%, Tory 25%, Green 13%, LD 8% UKIP 4%

    Unemployed Labour 36%, Tory 16%, UKIP 14%, Green 6%, LD 6%

    AB Tory 37%, Labour 26%, LD 8%, UKIP 8%, Green 5%

    C1 Tory 30%, Labour 27%, UKIP 10%, LD 7%, Green 7%

    C2 Labour 30%, Tory 27%, UKIP 15%, LD 4%, Green 4%

    D Labour 32%, Tory 23%, UKIP 16%, LD 5%, Green 4%

    E Labour 38%, Tory 19%, UKIP 15%, LD 5%, Green 4%
    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/redbox/topic/red-box-the-voters
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    @Sunil Prasannan: I like that quote! ;)

    @Anorak: Yes, I was thinking along similar lines too.

    @SquareRoot: Yes, I'd agree Sturgeon probably does seem the type to hang on to power - however, I think the key reasons behind Scots' hatred of Blair and Thatcher, is the ideology both embraced. Given that I Sturgeon is a centre-left politician, although (like with all political leaders) they'll get sick of her at some point, I think she'd have to do something terrible to be loathed.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941

    Carnyx said:

    Lib Dem Life @libdemlife
    Man who might be PM in 10 days hasn't even got the strength to ask Brand to come to him. God helps us if he ever has to stand up to Putin

    Oh, he just wants to get some ideas for his new kitchen.

    Oh, Ed just wants to get some ideas for his new kitchens.
    Why the late night secret visit? The neighbour who snapped the visit also revealed that Miliband drives around in an imported BMW - possibly a 7 Series.
    Surely as LotO he has a Government car and associated security? The Range Rover in front of his car certainly looks very Special Branch.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    A recount is likely in Nuneaton so it could be delayed by a few hours. Kingswood will probably be the first marginal to decalre again IMO.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,941

    Alistair said:

    What poll tax myth?

    If it's the one about Scotland being a test bed that was confirmed as true by recently released cabinet papers.

    That's the one, and no it wasn't. The poll tax was introduced in Scotland first (at Scottish request, BTW) because otherwise there would have had to have been a full revaluation which would have been chucked away after one year.

    The Cabinet papers reference which people seized on was merely stating the obvious - that if you're introducing a big change, it's better to do it in one region initially to reduce implementation risk. However, that wasn't the reason Scotland introduced it first.
    That puzzles me. I thought Scotland had just had a revaluation and England hadn't?

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    BenMBenM Posts: 1,795
    Not long to go and the polls finally shifting towards my head over heart Con 35 Lab 32 prediction from a couple of weeks back. I was almost convinced to shift Con down one and Lab up one but talked myself into waiting for this week's polls.

    I've had a look behind this morning's GDP numbers and the growth fuelling components of the UK economy are in a dire state.

    I am even more convinced any Tory led government post election is running us headling into another recession.
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Too many elbows makes an arse.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,459

    Too many elbows makes an arse.

    Tsssk. ELBOW DENIER!
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    edited April 2015
    Carnyx said:

    Alistair said:

    What poll tax myth?

    If it's the one about Scotland being a test bed that was confirmed as true by recently released cabinet papers.

    That's the one, and no it wasn't. The poll tax was introduced in Scotland first (at Scottish request, BTW) because otherwise there would have had to have been a full revaluation which would have been chucked away after one year.

    The Cabinet papers reference which people seized on was merely stating the obvious - that if you're introducing a big change, it's better to do it in one region initially to reduce implementation risk. However, that wasn't the reason Scotland introduced it first.
    That puzzles me. I thought Scotland had just had a revaluation and England hadn't?

    For some reason there was controversy about the Scottish valuation, which had been very unpopular. IIRC they were planning to redo it.

    Edit: According to Wikipedia, font of all knowledge: "The Scottish revaluation of 1985/1986 led to a great deal of criticism and gave added urgency to rates reform or replacement."
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    BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,006

    Tissue Price will probably have another moan, but the TNS percentages to 2 d.p. are:

    TORY 206 = 33.88
    Lab 202 = 33.22
    UKIP 93 = 15.30
    LD 44 = 7.24
    Green 29 = 4.77

    Weighted base 608.

    MOE +/- 3.81% i.e. each could be anywhere in the range 30% - 37%
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    Send for the Elvis impersonator...Labour wobble-ongoing.


    Tom Newton Dunn ✔ @tnewtondunn

    Miliband hanging out with Russell Brand is extremely high risk, not the act of a frontrunner. Brave politics, or first sign of Labour panic?
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    FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    BenM said:

    Not long to go and the polls finally shifting towards my head over heart Con 35 Lab 32 prediction from a couple of weeks back. I was almost convinced to shift Con down one and Lab up one but talked myself into waiting for this week's polls.

    I've had a look behind this morning's GDP numbers and the growth fuelling components of the UK economy are in a dire state.

    I am even more convinced any Tory led government post election is running us headling into another recession.

    So please would you explain how a Labour/SNP/PC/Green government would lead the UK into economic growth without increasing the deficit and debt.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,208
    BenM said:

    I am even more convinced any Tory led government post election is running us headling into another recession.

    That will happen whoever is in power. The problem, as I see it, for Labour is that they backed the wrong horse five years ago. Instead of telling the electorate that the Tories were cutting too much too quickly, they should have challenged the Government to meet its borrowing targets.

    As it is, if Labour do somehow end up leading a coalition government, then they will not be able to moan about the deficit that they will inherit from the Tories. I have no doubt that they will try anyway!
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    Loving the Lab price on betfair most seats.... reach for the sky!
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,983
    AndyJS said:

    A recount is likely in Nuneaton so it could be delayed by a few hours. Kingswood will probably be the first marginal to decalre again IMO.

    It may not be a Basildon, though. A good result for Chris Skidmore may not necessarily mean a good result for the Conservatives as a whole. Ashcroft seems to be point to a big Conservative outperformance in the Bristol/Somerset area.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292

    Send for the Elvis impersonator...Labour wobble-ongoing.


    Tom Newton Dunn ✔ @tnewtondunn

    Miliband hanging out with Russell Brand is extremely high risk, not the act of a frontrunner. Brave politics, or first sign of Labour panic?

    What happened to the old gang of Two Jags, Campbell and Blair doing their reunion tour for Labour? Tweeting 24/7 doesn't count.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,983
    BenM said:

    Not long to go and the polls finally shifting towards my head over heart Con 35 Lab 32 prediction from a couple of weeks back. I was almost convinced to shift Con down one and Lab up one but talked myself into waiting for this week's polls.

    I've had a look behind this morning's GDP numbers and the growth fuelling components of the UK economy are in a dire state.

    I am even more convinced any Tory led government post election is running us headling into another recession.

    In terms of seats, what do you predict?
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941
    AndyJS said:

    A recount is likely in Nuneaton so it could be delayed by a few hours. Kingswood will probably be the first marginal to decalre again IMO.

    A good point about recounts, quite a few of the very marginal seats could end up declaring somewhat later than anticipated.
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    perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    BenM said:

    Not long to go and the polls finally shifting towards my head over heart Con 35 Lab 32 prediction from a couple of weeks back. I was almost convinced to shift Con down one and Lab up one but talked myself into waiting for this week's polls.

    I've had a look behind this morning's GDP numbers and the growth fuelling components of the UK economy are in a dire state.

    I am even more convinced any Tory led government post election is running us headling into another recession.

    A Labour led government will definitely head us into another recession. It's in their DNA.

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    richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    BenM .. do not worry lad .. you will not notice the difference ..your life will be one of grinding poverty..just like the last five years..
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    RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,978

    Send for the Elvis impersonator...Labour wobble-ongoing.


    Tom Newton Dunn ✔ @tnewtondunn

    Miliband hanging out with Russell Brand is extremely high risk, not the act of a frontrunner. Brave politics, or first sign of Labour panic?

    I see George Eaton from the New Statesmen was saying he was suprised at Labours change of focus to immigration this week - was meant to be living standards, apparently. I wonder whats going on behind the scenes?
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    Flightpath1Flightpath1 Posts: 207
    Sandpit said:

    Carnyx said:

    Lib Dem Life @libdemlife
    Man who might be PM in 10 days hasn't even got the strength to ask Brand to come to him. God helps us if he ever has to stand up to Putin

    Oh, he just wants to get some ideas for his new kitchen.

    Oh, Ed just wants to get some ideas for his new kitchens.
    Why the late night secret visit? The neighbour who snapped the visit also revealed that Miliband drives around in an imported BMW - possibly a 7 Series.
    Surely as LotO he has a Government car and associated security? The Range Rover in front of his car certainly looks very Special Branch.
    PM drives around in a British built Jag. Why cannot Miliband? Or why not a Range Rover?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292

    Send for the Elvis impersonator...Labour wobble-ongoing.


    Tom Newton Dunn ✔ @tnewtondunn

    Miliband hanging out with Russell Brand is extremely high risk, not the act of a frontrunner. Brave politics, or first sign of Labour panic?

    I see George Eaton from the New Statesmen was saying he was suprised at Labours change of focus to immigration this week - was meant to be living standards, apparently. I wonder whats going on behind the scenes?
    They mixed up two blank pieces of paper?
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    BenMBenM Posts: 1,795
    Financier said:

    BenM said:

    Not long to go and the polls finally shifting towards my head over heart Con 35 Lab 32 prediction from a couple of weeks back. I was almost convinced to shift Con down one and Lab up one but talked myself into waiting for this week's polls.

    I've had a look behind this morning's GDP numbers and the growth fuelling components of the UK economy are in a dire state.

    I am even more convinced any Tory led government post election is running us headling into another recession.

    So please would you explain how a Labour/SNP/PC/Green government would lead the UK into economic growth without increasing the deficit and debt.
    The point is they should increase the deficit and debt - Osborne's plans are going to anyway.
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    Clacton hustings from last night - take your pick

    Giles Watling‏@GilesWatling·15 hrs15 hours ago
    To all those who asked - sorry for the delay, your boards and posters are on their way! I thank you all :) #ClactonHustings

    Lorraine King‏@LorraineKing27·17 hrs17 hours ago
    #clactonhustings audience asks if Douglas Carswell loves the area so much when is he going to buy a house here!

    Giles Watling retweeted
    Danny Mayzes‏@TweetMayzes·15 hrs15 hours ago
    A DRM poll finds @GilesWatling the clear winner of tonight's #ClactonHustings. Clear answers, clear vision for Clacton and true passion

    Douglas Carswell @DouglasCarswell · 15h 15 hours ago
    Thrilled with tonight's #ClactonHustings - several more requests for garden boards and more volunteer leafleters!


    Douglas Carswell @DouglasCarswell · 5 hrs5 hours ago
    I loved the #Clacton hustings last night! Here's my take on it .... http://www.talkcarswell.com/home/clacton-candidates-hustings/2830
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    Blue_rogBlue_rog Posts: 2,019
    HYUFD said:

    Interesting figures on the voting preferences of various professions and jobs and classes in the Times Redbox yesterday

    City Workers and Finance Sector - Tory 46%, Labour 19%, LD 5%, Green 4%, UKIP 10%

    Health Sector Labour 31%, Tory 27%, LD 6%, Green 4%, UKIP 11%

    Students Labour 29%, Tory 25%, Green 13%, LD 8% UKIP 4%

    Unemployed Labour 36%, Tory 16%, UKIP 14%, Green 6%, LD 6%

    AB Tory 37%, Labour 26%, LD 8%, UKIP 8%, Green 5%

    C1 Tory 30%, Labour 27%, UKIP 10%, LD 7%, Green 7%

    C2 Labour 30%, Tory 27%, UKIP 15%, LD 4%, Green 4%

    D Labour 32%, Tory 23%, UKIP 16%, LD 5%, Green 4%

    E Labour 38%, Tory 19%, UKIP 15%, LD 5%, Green 4%
    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/redbox/topic/red-box-the-voters

    Wow, that's a really good chart.
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,713
    BenM said:

    Financier said:

    BenM said:

    Not long to go and the polls finally shifting towards my head over heart Con 35 Lab 32 prediction from a couple of weeks back. I was almost convinced to shift Con down one and Lab up one but talked myself into waiting for this week's polls.

    I've had a look behind this morning's GDP numbers and the growth fuelling components of the UK economy are in a dire state.

    I am even more convinced any Tory led government post election is running us headling into another recession.

    So please would you explain how a Labour/SNP/PC/Green government would lead the UK into economic growth without increasing the deficit and debt.
    The point is they should increase the deficit and debt - Osborne's plans are going to anyway.
    umm the debt has to go up until the deficit vanishes.....
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,144
    Sandpit said:

    AndyJS said:

    A recount is likely in Nuneaton so it could be delayed by a few hours. Kingswood will probably be the first marginal to decalre again IMO.

    A good point about recounts, quite a few of the very marginal seats could end up declaring somewhat later than anticipated.
    Torbay is likely to be marginal - but has the added complication of full council elections and an elected mayor to sort through too.
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    TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262

    Sandpit said:

    Carnyx said:

    Lib Dem Life @libdemlife
    Man who might be PM in 10 days hasn't even got the strength to ask Brand to come to him. God helps us if he ever has to stand up to Putin

    Oh, he just wants to get some ideas for his new kitchen.

    Oh, Ed just wants to get some ideas for his new kitchens.
    Why the late night secret visit? The neighbour who snapped the visit also revealed that Miliband drives around in an imported BMW - possibly a 7 Series.
    Surely as LotO he has a Government car and associated security? The Range Rover in front of his car certainly looks very Special Branch.
    PM drives around in a British built Jag. Why cannot Miliband? Or why not a Range Rover?
    Special Branch have a fleet of Audi and BMWs - probably one of theirs.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,977
    BenM said:

    Not long to go and the polls finally shifting towards my head over heart Con 35 Lab 32 prediction from a couple of weeks back. I was almost convinced to shift Con down one and Lab up one but talked myself into waiting for this week's polls.

    I've had a look behind this morning's GDP numbers and the growth fuelling components of the UK economy are in a dire state.

    I am even more convinced any Tory led government post election is running us headling into another recession.

    You can't have the UK's atrocious productivity and poor export record and hope to grow sustainably over a decent period of time. The next Tory government needs to deal with that while fighting off the Scots and navel gazing over Europe. All with a tiny majority or fragile coalition of sorts. It should be fun.

    First past the post encourages short-termism and has got us to this point. Sadly, turkeys do not vote for Christmas. Though maybe SLab's MPs should have done so when they had the chance.

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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941

    Send for the Elvis impersonator...Labour wobble-ongoing.


    Tom Newton Dunn ✔ @tnewtondunn

    Miliband hanging out with Russell Brand is extremely high risk, not the act of a frontrunner. Brave politics, or first sign of Labour panic?

    I see George Eaton from the New Statesmen was saying he was suprised at Labours change of focus to immigration this week - was meant to be living standards, apparently. I wonder whats going on behind the scenes?
    They are running out of time now.

    Postal voting is underway and there's only 8 days of campaigning left, one of which is a bank holiday. Meanwhile the politicians are fighting the Nepalese earthquake for headlines and there's a Royal baby on the way. Surely the only thing that will change the game either way at this stage is a massive gaffe from one of the leaders?
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941
    BenM said:

    Financier said:

    BenM said:

    Not long to go and the polls finally shifting towards my head over heart Con 35 Lab 32 prediction from a couple of weeks back. I was almost convinced to shift Con down one and Lab up one but talked myself into waiting for this week's polls.

    I've had a look behind this morning's GDP numbers and the growth fuelling components of the UK economy are in a dire state.

    I am even more convinced any Tory led government post election is running us headling into another recession.

    So please would you explain how a Labour/SNP/PC/Green government would lead the UK into economic growth without increasing the deficit and debt.
    The point is they should increase the deficit and debt - Osborne's plans are going to anyway.
    O...kay....
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Dawn Butler? She of the Obama fake letter?
    Pulpstar said:

    Probability of Dawn Butler getting elected if she was an independent ? 0%
    Probability of Dawn Butler getting elected with a red rosette in Brent Central ? 100%

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    DanielDaniel Posts: 160


    I see George Eaton from the New Statesmen was saying he was suprised at Labours change of focus to immigration this week - was meant to be living standards, apparently. I wonder whats going on behind the scenes?

    With the rapid decline in Scotland and potential wipe out, he has no choice but to chase southern England (which wasn't apart of his original plan)
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,977
    SeanT said:

    BenM said:

    Not long to go and the polls finally shifting towards my head over heart Con 35 Lab 32 prediction from a couple of weeks back. I was almost convinced to shift Con down one and Lab up one but talked myself into waiting for this week's polls.

    I've had a look behind this morning's GDP numbers and the growth fuelling components of the UK economy are in a dire state.

    I am even more convinced any Tory led government post election is running us headling into another recession.

    Con 35 Lab 32 could easily see Labour in government, in alliance with the Nats. It would be a calamitously feeble government, and the bizarre *Coalition* with Sturgeon would do Labour severe longterm damage, but it could easily happen.

    As for the recession prediction, pfft. If a recession is headed our way I doubt it will be the worst recession in British history - which is what Labour gave us the last time they were in office.

    What the next recession may deliver is much higher unemployment than there has been for a very long time, as companies that shouldn't really be in business but have managed to struggle on as a result of low labour costs finally bow to the inevitable. So what we might see is a relatively shallow recession in which a lot of people lose their jobs.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    If Labour lose, can they please go sub 250.

    Ta.
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