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  • SeanT said:

    Is it too early to say that, without the useless, boozy, sheep-tupping Aussies and Kiwi "soldiers" we'd probably have won in Gallipoli and succcessfully wrapped up WW1 in 1917?

    On the commemorative day for the large numbers of Aussie and Kiwi soldiers who died in Gallipol I dont think that comment is appropriate
  • FensterFenster Posts: 2,115

    Test cricket is the greatest sport in the world.

    Agreed. I couldn't play the sport for toffee, but I love watching it.

    Not a fan of T20 though.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    edited April 2015
    Danny565 said:

    kle4 said:


    Minor antics and lies are part and parcel of all government. Welfare changes are popular with many, even if there have been missteps.

    Most polls give Labour a lead over the Tories on welfare, though.
    If you say so. I would not be surprised if specific welfare changes are less popular than someone just saying they want to reform it, which at a pure guess I would say people are in favour of. My main point was that there are people who like what the coalition has done (I'm on the fence with some of their bigger changes to be honest, and I feel they've done poorly on deficit reduction to say the least), so just because some of their changes have proven controversial now, they are not universally reviled, and for all we know will be welcomed by future analysts.

    The actual formation and running of the coalition will be more significant than what it achieved, I suspect.
  • kjohnwkjohnw Posts: 1,456
    SeanT said:

    Freggles said:

    Is it just me or has the election gotten boring in the last 7 days or so?
    Of course there is still the mathematical uncertainty, but the manifestos were a dud. Where is our bigotgate or Cleggmania?

    It's just you. This is the most intriguing election, for so many reasons, in many decades. Anyone who claims otherwise is a twit, with zero hindsight.

    this election is like watching a slow motion car crash as we head into to being governed by the most dangerous prime minister the country has ever known, I fear for my children if EdM get the keys to number 10
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,653
    AndyJS said:

    EPG said:

    AndyJS said:

    Con + LD + UKIP + DUP = 319, just 4 short of the target. 3 short if the DUP win back Belfast East.
    Lab + SNP + DUP = 324. More likely than blue rainbow, I think.
    The DUP won't have anything to do with an SNP coalition or agreement.
    Pray tell, why not? I must break the news that the DUP did not arrive at their love of Crown and Union through disinterested, agnostic philosophical reflection on the optimal composition of the United Kingdom.

    The DUP have ruled out a coalition or formal arrangement with the SNP - big whoop, the only likely coalition is Con-LD as every other small party runs for their lives (literally?) from the dreaded C-word. As for a formal arrangement, pre-agreed pacts are for coalitions.

    The DUP deal would be about quid pro quo, confidence and supply in exchange for Northern spending, and let the opposition Lib Dems vote for the nice progressive things coming from Lab-SNP.
  • Nigel Farage: The truth about my health - I am being treated in hospital twice a week

    The Ukip leader says: 'I was not ill but I was in a lot of pain'. He was prescribed strong sleeping pills and anti-inflammatory tablets

    http://bit.ly/1KdTcog
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour have a two-point lead: CON 33%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%, GRN 6%
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,387
    Sun Politics @SunPolitics · 3s 3 seconds ago
    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour have a two-point lead: CON 33%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%, GRN 6%
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited April 2015
    Sun Politics @SunPolitics · 16s 16 seconds ago
    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour have a two-point lead: CON 33%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%, GRN 6%
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    Danny565 said:

    kle4 said:


    Minor antics and lies are part and parcel of all government. Welfare changes are popular with many, even if there have been missteps.

    Most polls give Labour a lead over the Tories on welfare, though.
    Hardly surprising since Gordon Brown dished it out to all and sundry - and the nasty tories have had to take it back.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @TelePolitics: Ed Miliband suggested forming coalition government with SNP in 2010 http://t.co/jEeqPu0lfs
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    edited April 2015
    Fenster said:

    Test cricket is the greatest sport in the world.

    Agreed. I couldn't play the sport for toffee, but I love watching it.

    Not a fan of T20 though.

    I like to watch the IPL, it can be entertaining stuff, but one of the biggest issues i have with it is if the first side messes up, the game is pretty much over right away. Even in a 50 over game there's some scope for things to twist and turn, but not in T20.

    I think it's a good addition to the Cricket stable, but one could not live on it alone.
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626

    Test cricket is the greatest sport in the world.

    It is the absolute pinnacle of sporting achievement.
    kle4 said:

    AndyJS said:

    tyson said:

    Is anyone else watching the cricket? Two teams with pedestrian bowlers on slow wickets. It's still worth watching mind- UKIP cricket, a throwback to a different era when no team ever won a match.
    I've tried to explain test cricket to Italians. It baffles them. 5 days of 6-7 hours play a day, and often ends up as a draw They don't get the point.
    There is a review....

    I'm listening to the cricket. The whole point of cricket is it's like real life. You have boring passages of play and exciting ones. You need the boring bits to appreciate the exciting bits. Maybe the Italians would understand that way of explaining it.
    The length of time accentuates the drama, allows for more shifts back and forth, I always feel. When you have a five day game that can still come down to the final hour, the final overs, the suspense is mesmerizing. You can relax, listening and tuning in on and off for days as a pleasant distraction but nothing more, then passages of frantic activity turn things on its head and days of effort from an entire team can pay off or come to nothing. Such glory.
    It is beautiful.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117
    Fenster said:

    Test cricket is the greatest sport in the world.

    Agreed. I couldn't play the sport for toffee, but I love watching it.

    Not a fan of T20 though.

    T20 is pointless.
    I captained my school team in 6th form against Manchester Grammar when Michael Atherton was playing. We got thrashed, obviously.

  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    edited April 2015
    A Lab/LD coalition with SNP confidence and supply was always an outside chance. The key question about Clegg's comments is whether Clegg is indicating that the Lib Dems would vote down an "illegitimate" Lab/SNP government in the Queens Speech, rather than abstain.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,653
    Peter Robinson had a great quote "clarifying" his position on the DUP's supporting a government supported by the SNP. "If a government was being propped up by a separatist party that was using its position in order to extract levers of separation, then clearly we could not support that. However, if the ask of any party that forms such a support group for a government party is for purely regional issues then that is a very different matter indeed." But, of course, the SNP will not be using Westminster to pursue independence, leaving the DUP confidence and supply door open!
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Freggles said:

    Is it just me or has the election gotten boring in the last 7 days or so?
    Of course there is still the mathematical uncertainty, but the manifestos were a dud. Where is our bigotgate or Cleggmania?

    It's largely vanishing from the public, though I've had a discernible increase in party literature.

    The situation here in West Essex is?

    2 attempted but botched/failed canvasses by the Greens, one by a very attractive Tory woman who needs to work on her selling skills.

    Labour leaflets came early, looking like they'd been dripped in fresh red blood but nothing lately (seen one board), one from the Greens (they're winning the board war - think of the trees), three individual mailshots to each electoral roll member today from UKIP (straight in the shredder from my good lady), one from a Lib Dem fellow and the Tories are now moving to a daily drop.

    Very safe Tory seat.

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,149
    Scott_P said:

    @SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour have a two-point lead: CON 33%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%, GRN 6%

    YouGov retains its Gold Standard status :)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    Scott_P said:

    @TelePolitics: Ed Miliband suggested forming coalition government with SNP in 2010 http://t.co/jEeqPu0lfs

    Trustworthy source. He probably did though, although back then it would not have been as much of an issue for him, the party or anyone else. The SNP would have been similar to PC and the Greens now - certain to back Labour over a Tory government, but without much muscle to have much influence over policy.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,569
    edited April 2015
    SeanT said:

    Freggles said:

    Is it just me or has the election gotten boring in the last 7 days or so?
    Of course there is still the mathematical uncertainty, but the manifestos were a dud. Where is our bigotgate or Cleggmania?

    It's just you. This is the most intriguing election, for so many reasons, in many decades. Anyone who claims otherwise is a twit, with zero hindsight.

    It's an intriguing deadlock. People think it's dull because it's deadlocked, but it's fascinating nonetheless, just not fascinating AND mobile. It may be that the really interesting part will come after May 7.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited April 2015

    Scott_P said:

    @SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour have a two-point lead: CON 33%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%, GRN 6%

    YouGov retains its Gold Standard status :)
    What would tomorrow's polls require approximately for the Tories to take the ELBOW lead?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,149

    Test cricket is the greatest sport in the world.

    Test Cricket is the most boring sport in the world. And Golf.
  • Eh_ehm_a_ehEh_ehm_a_eh Posts: 552
    Wonderful old scoreboard in Grenada. Although they have the wrong flag for England.
  • FensterFenster Posts: 2,115
    I'm off to bed, but FAO ISAM.

    That music chat earlier and your mention of Nirvana Unplugged. I sat here working with it playing in the background. Cobain's rendition of Leadbelly's "Where Did You Sleep Last Night" is a wow moment. Kurt Cobain definitely had something special about him. Warped, depressive, crazy and sharp; anyone who pens the lyrics "I wish I could eat your cancer when you turn black" to his beau, is pretty screwed-up.

    Where Did You Sleep Last Night touches me personally because it reminds me of the early part of my relationship when I could never answer my wife correctly when questioned on where I'd slept.....
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,149
    Danny565 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour have a two-point lead: CON 33%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%, GRN 6%

    YouGov retains its Gold Standard status :)
    What would tomorrow's polls require approximately for the Tories to take the ELBOW lead?
    Massive Tory leads :)
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    SeanT said:

    Freggles said:

    Is it just me or has the election gotten boring in the last 7 days or so?
    Of course there is still the mathematical uncertainty, but the manifestos were a dud. Where is our bigotgate or Cleggmania?

    It's just you. This is the most intriguing election, for so many reasons, in many decades. Anyone who claims otherwise is a twit, with zero hindsight.

    It's an intriguing deadlock. People think it's dull because it's deadlocked, but it's fascinating nonetheless, just not fascinating AND mobile. It may be that the really interesting part will come after May 7.
    Think of it as a Test Match strung out for 5 years.

    New Balls please!
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,653
    SeanT said:

    Freggles said:

    Is it just me or has the election gotten boring in the last 7 days or so?
    Of course there is still the mathematical uncertainty, but the manifestos were a dud. Where is our bigotgate or Cleggmania?

    It's just you. This is the most intriguing election, for so many reasons, in many decades. Anyone who claims otherwise is a twit, with zero hindsight.

    The objective circumstances are extremely interesting, with coalitions, pacts, nationalism and economic circumstances, none of which any major party wants to talk about.

    The personality/scandal stuff has been euthanised by the parties through their ultra-cautious campaigning in business parks and out-of-town sheds.
  • SeanT said:

    Farage has been seriously off-form all through the campaign - sweating and slow-footed in TV debates, etc. I believe he probably is ill, plus he has the pressure of being (virtually) a one-man band. How much travelling and speaking does he do?? It would kill most people.

    In the face of Farage's sub-par performance, UKIP's polling has held up very well, considering. It augurs well for their future, perhaps. They CAN prosper without Nigel?
    It also shows Farage is a liar, just like LibLabCon

    From Feb

    ‘I’m fit as a flea’ insists Nigel Farage as poll shows Ukip has lost ground

    Party leader denounces speculation about his health and says he will be in ‘real position of power’ on 8 May

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/feb/28/farage-denies-health-rumours
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,149
    edited April 2015
    chestnut said:


    The situation here in West Essex is?

    West Essex? Isn't that those five boroughs now making up NE Greater London?

    :)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591

    SeanT said:

    Freggles said:

    Is it just me or has the election gotten boring in the last 7 days or so?
    Of course there is still the mathematical uncertainty, but the manifestos were a dud. Where is our bigotgate or Cleggmania?

    It's just you. This is the most intriguing election, for so many reasons, in many decades. Anyone who claims otherwise is a twit, with zero hindsight.

    It's an intriguing deadlock. People think it's dull because it's deadlocked, but it's fascinating nonetheless, just not fascinating AND mobile. It may be that the really interesting part will come after May 7.
    Think of it as a Test Match strung out for 5 years.
    I was surprised the sides did not just shake hands and call it a draw an hour (or 6 months) before the close of this current match.
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800

    Test cricket is the greatest sport in the world.

    It is the absolute pinnacle of sporting achievement.
    kle4 said:

    AndyJS said:

    tyson said:

    Is anyone else watching the cricket? Two teams with pedestrian bowlers on slow wickets. It's still worth watching mind- UKIP cricket, a throwback to a different era when no team ever won a match.
    I've tried to explain test cricket to Italians. It baffles them. 5 days of 6-7 hours play a day, and often ends up as a draw They don't get the point.
    There is a review....

    I'm listening to the cricket. The whole point of cricket is it's like real life. You have boring passages of play and exciting ones. You need the boring bits to appreciate the exciting bits. Maybe the Italians would understand that way of explaining it.
    The length of time accentuates the drama, allows for more shifts back and forth, I always feel. When you have a five day game that can still come down to the final hour, the final overs, the suspense is mesmerizing. You can relax, listening and tuning in on and off for days as a pleasant distraction but nothing more, then passages of frantic activity turn things on its head and days of effort from an entire team can pay off or come to nothing. Such glory.
    It is beautiful.
    The 2005 Ashes was probably sport at it's very pinnacle, the drama was unbelievable. Yet in spite of the hostilities the sportsmanship was incredible, Flintoff consoling Lee the perfect example, but in another Test Lee ran round the boundary to shake hands with Strauss as he was walking back to the pavilion after a heroic innings.

    Even the word pavilion suits the grace of the sport.
  • jahodgesjahodges Posts: 12
    Miliband ...miliband ... we'll take more care of you!!! Sorry! Too much Drink.
  • Eh_ehm_a_ehEh_ehm_a_eh Posts: 552
    tyson said:

    Fenster said:

    Test cricket is the greatest sport in the world.

    Agreed. I couldn't play the sport for toffee, but I love watching it.

    Not a fan of T20 though.

    T20 is pointless.
    I captained my school team in 6th form against Manchester Grammar when Michael Atherton was playing. We got thrashed, obviously.

    Did he dry the ball with some dirt from his pocket?

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MrHarryCole: Tories up the rhetoric in new poster: http://t.co/0nacwf4JJz
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    Kraigg Brathwaite, at 22 years and 144 days, is the third West Indian to reach four Test centuries, after George Headley and Gary Sobers.
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    YouGov ... EICIPM
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited April 2015
    The election is obviously interesting in that it's unpredictable, but that doesn't change that it's hard to get hyped up about it when the two main parties are offering such similar, drab, uninspiring platforms.

    It's like the (tennis) US Open last year, where there were loads of upsets with Djokovic/Federer/Murray/Nadal going out early, and we ended up with a final with Kei Nishikori and Marin Cilic. Sure, the outcome was unpredictable, but the two main protoganists were so unexciting and most people would've had so little invested in either of them, that it was still hard to really care that much about it. There actually has to be a feeling of something at stake for even an unpredictable "contest" to catch the imagination.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117

    SeanT said:

    Freggles said:

    Is it just me or has the election gotten boring in the last 7 days or so?
    Of course there is still the mathematical uncertainty, but the manifestos were a dud. Where is our bigotgate or Cleggmania?

    It's just you. This is the most intriguing election, for so many reasons, in many decades. Anyone who claims otherwise is a twit, with zero hindsight.

    It's an intriguing deadlock. People think it's dull because it's deadlocked, but it's fascinating nonetheless, just not fascinating AND mobile. It may be that the really interesting part will come after May 7.
    I've noticed the mainstream news has kind of given up on making the coverage seem interesting. There's just not very much to say really.
    Losing the weekly debates has been a huge loss. As the US elections show, they electrify the campaigns, and give everyone something to focus on- even though they probably have a negligible effect. Without debates we have soundbites, more soundbites, and soundbites.
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    tyson said:

    Fenster said:

    Test cricket is the greatest sport in the world.

    Agreed. I couldn't play the sport for toffee, but I love watching it.

    Not a fan of T20 though.

    T20 is pointless.
    I captained my school team in 6th form against Manchester Grammar when Michael Atherton was playing. We got thrashed, obviously.

    I read that Phil Neville was rated a better prospect than Atherton but chose football.
  • FensterFenster Posts: 2,115

    Test cricket is the greatest sport in the world.

    It is the absolute pinnacle of sporting achievement.
    kle4 said:

    AndyJS said:

    tyson said:

    Is anyone else watching the cricket? Two teams with pedestrian bowlers on slow wickets. It's still worth watching mind- UKIP cricket, a throwback to a different era when no team ever won a match.
    I've tried to explain test cricket to Italians. It baffles them. 5 days of 6-7 hours play a day, and often ends up as a draw They don't get the point.
    There is a review....

    I'm listening to the cricket. The whole point of cricket is it's like real life. You have boring passages of play and exciting ones. You need the boring bits to appreciate the exciting bits. Maybe the Italians would understand that way of explaining it.
    The length of time accentuates the drama, allows for more shifts back and forth, I always feel. When you have a five day game that can still come down to the final hour, the final overs, the suspense is mesmerizing. You can relax, listening and tuning in on and off for days as a pleasant distraction but nothing more, then passages of frantic activity turn things on its head and days of effort from an entire team can pay off or come to nothing. Such glory.
    It is beautiful.
    The 2005 Ashes was probably sport at it's very pinnacle, the drama was unbelievable. Yet in spite of the hostilities the sportsmanship was incredible, Flintoff consoling Lee the perfect example, but in another Test Lee ran round the boundary to shake hands with Strauss as he was walking back to the pavilion after a heroic innings.

    Even the word pavilion suits the grace of the sport.
    Ponting's century at Old Trafford was unbelievable.

    And Shane Warne took 40 wickets in the series and lost! Remarkable.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    SeanT said:

    Farage has been seriously off-form all through the campaign - sweating and slow-footed in TV debates, etc. I believe he probably is ill, plus he has the pressure of being (virtually) a one-man band. How much travelling and speaking does he do?? It would kill most people.

    In the face of Farage's sub-par performance, UKIP's polling has held up very well, considering. It augurs well for their future, perhaps. They CAN prosper without Nigel?
    I think the talk of him performing poorly is largely overstated. Much like the reports that he has done nothing in South Thanet.
  • asjohnstoneasjohnstone Posts: 1,276

    SeanT said:

    Is it too early to say that, without the useless, boozy, sheep-tupping Aussies and Kiwi "soldiers" we'd probably have won in Gallipoli and succcessfully wrapped up WW1 in 1917?

    On the commemorative day for the large numbers of Aussie and Kiwi soldiers who died in Gallipol I dont think that comment is appropriate
    More than that, Galilipoli was largely a British gig anyway, supported by the French with the ANZACs as a distant third place. Go look at the numbers and the casualty lists.

    It's a great what if though, if Turkey had been knocked out early, it's possible that Russia could have been saved, no revolution, no Soviet Union ? Allies would still have imposed shocking reparations on Germany.

    Maybe there is still a Hitler, but he faces a weakish Tsar who hasn't industrialised, not the brutal Stalin. Perhaps Germany would have been the leading communist power.

    History turns on the smallest things.

  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Freggles said:

    Is it just me or has the election gotten boring in the last 7 days or so?
    Of course there is still the mathematical uncertainty, but the manifestos were a dud. Where is our bigotgate or Cleggmania?

    It's just you. This is the most intriguing election, for so many reasons, in many decades. Anyone who claims otherwise is a twit, with zero hindsight.

    It's an intriguing deadlock. People think it's dull because it's deadlocked, but it's fascinating nonetheless, just not fascinating AND mobile. It may be that the really interesting part will come after May 7.
    Agreed. People who are bored by this aren't thinking hard enough. Britain stands on the edge of a decision which could, theoretically, 1. eject us from the EU, 2, wipe out all major parties in Scotland, 3. help to dissolve the UK entirely, 4, see the Libs reduced, for the first time in democratic history, to 4th place, 5. see endless Scots Labour bigwigs retired overnight, 6, see the emergence of a major UK-wide party for the first time in decades... and on and on.

    All of the above is very possible. And more. Yet all is unpredictable because the polls are all over the place.

    I find it hard to understand pb anoraks who are *bored*. What do they want? Civil insurrection??
    To be pedantic I'm sure we've been 4th before, the yellow taxi days surely had us behind the NI parties.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    tyson said:

    SeanT said:

    Freggles said:

    Is it just me or has the election gotten boring in the last 7 days or so?
    Of course there is still the mathematical uncertainty, but the manifestos were a dud. Where is our bigotgate or Cleggmania?

    It's just you. This is the most intriguing election, for so many reasons, in many decades. Anyone who claims otherwise is a twit, with zero hindsight.

    It's an intriguing deadlock. People think it's dull because it's deadlocked, but it's fascinating nonetheless, just not fascinating AND mobile. It may be that the really interesting part will come after May 7.
    I've noticed the mainstream news has kind of given up on making the coverage seem interesting. There's just not very much to say really.
    Losing the weekly debates has been a huge loss. As the US elections show, they electrify the campaigns, and give everyone something to focus on- even though they probably have a negligible effect.
    Some people feared they have too much effect, but I think that was just pessimism about what caused the 2010 not quite total victory for some (not all).
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Freggles said:

    Is it just me or has the election gotten boring in the last 7 days or so?
    Of course there is still the mathematical uncertainty, but the manifestos were a dud. Where is our bigotgate or Cleggmania?

    It's just you. This is the most intriguing election, for so many reasons, in many decades. Anyone who claims otherwise is a twit, with zero hindsight.

    It's an intriguing deadlock. People think it's dull because it's deadlocked, but it's fascinating nonetheless, just not fascinating AND mobile. It may be that the really interesting part will come after May 7.
    I find it hard to understand pb anoraks who are *bored*. What do they want? Civil insurrection??
    How quickly the remarkable can become mundane I guess.

    I think a few gaffes and suddenly everyone would remember it was interesting, as they speculated wildly about whether the gaffes would affect the outcome, reminding us all that, oh yeah, there are some major implications to what might happen and at the moment we look like providing a really confused parliament to deal with it.
  • Flightpath1Flightpath1 Posts: 207
    You should be writing the tories' strap lines
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    MP_SE said:

    SeanT said:

    Farage has been seriously off-form all through the campaign - sweating and slow-footed in TV debates, etc. I believe he probably is ill, plus he has the pressure of being (virtually) a one-man band. How much travelling and speaking does he do?? It would kill most people.

    In the face of Farage's sub-par performance, UKIP's polling has held up very well, considering. It augurs well for their future, perhaps. They CAN prosper without Nigel?
    I think the talk of him performing poorly is largely overstated. Much like the reports that he has done nothing in South Thanet.
    I thought he handled his Davis interview well. He also didn't seem as tired or shouty in it.
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Freggles said:

    Is it just me or has the election gotten boring in the last 7 days or so?
    Of course there is still the mathematical uncertainty, but the manifestos were a dud. Where is our bigotgate or Cleggmania?

    It's just you. This is the most intriguing election, for so many reasons, in many decades. Anyone who claims otherwise is a twit, with zero hindsight.

    It's an intriguing deadlock. People think it's dull because it's deadlocked, but it's fascinating nonetheless, just not fascinating AND mobile. It may be that the really interesting part will come after May 7.
    Agreed. People who are bored by this aren't thinking hard enough. Britain stands on the edge of a decision which could, theoretically, 1. eject us from the EU, 2, wipe out all major parties in Scotland, 3. help to dissolve the UK entirely, 4, see the Libs reduced, for the first time in democratic history, to 4th place, 5. see endless Scots Labour bigwigs retired overnight, 6, see the emergence of a major UK-wide party for the first time in decades... and on and on.

    All of the above is very possible. And more. Yet all is unpredictable because the polls are all over the place.

    I find it hard to understand pb anoraks who are *bored*. What do they want? Civil insurrection??
    All of that is good. Its just the last week, post manifestos, post Blair intervention, no debates, has been a bit bland.

    That said here are some ideas
    David Miliband intervention
    Coulson revelations
    Bennett steps down
    Nick Clegg gets listened to and taken seriously

    Any of them would be good
  • kjohnw said:



    this election is like watching a slow motion car crash as we head into to being governed by the most dangerous prime minister the country has ever known

    That's exactly how I felt in 1997. I don't think Miliband (or any present front line politician) is even a fraction as dangerous and malignant as the monster who was elected PM that year. Nobody possibly could be.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited April 2015

    chestnut said:


    The situation here in West Essex is?

    West Essex? Isn't that those five boroughs now making up NE Greater London?

    :)
    Not quite. At least not in the way I work it out :smile: . My local MP is a deputy speaker. Redbridge is next door.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,672
    LD MPs hoping to persuade Labour supporters to hold their noses and vote Yellow to keep the Blues out will not like Clegg's comments - they are most unhelpful - but given he is up against a strong Labour challenge I guess they are understandable. It looks like he wants the LDs to be the FDP (as was) to the Tory CDU. It'll probably mean the LDs won't get close to 50 seats again for many a long year. Still, having them in government alongside the Tories is infinitely better than having the Tories in charge alone - or in alliance with the DUP.

    As for UKIP. If they end up getting 10% plus of the vote it will be a stunning achievement, especially given the comparative lack of coverage in the press and on TV.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,149
    Leanne Wood on Newsnight :)
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,067
    edited April 2015
    The Tories are expediting Scottish independence...

    The irony is that they call themselves the Conservative and Unionist Party.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited April 2015
    SeanT said:

    corporeal said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Freggles said:

    Is it just me or has the election gotten boring in the last 7 days or so?
    Of course there is still the mathematical uncertainty, but the manifestos were a dud. Where is our bigotgate or Cleggmania?

    It's just you. This is the most intriguing election, for so many reasons, in many decades. Anyone who claims otherwise is a twit, with zero hindsight.

    It's an intriguing deadlock. People think it's dull because it's deadlocked, but it's fascinating nonetheless, just not fascinating AND mobile. It may be that the really interesting part will come after May 7.
    Agreed. People who are bored by this aren't thinking hard enough. Britain stands on the edge of a decision which could, theoretically, 1. eject us from the EU, 2, wipe out all major parties in Scotland, 3. help to dissolve the UK entirely, 4, see the Libs reduced, for the first time in democratic history, to 4th place, 5. see endless Scots Labour bigwigs retired overnight, 6, see the emergence of a major UK-wide party for the first time in decades... and on and on.

    All of the above is very possible. And more. Yet all is unpredictable because the polls are all over the place.

    I find it hard to understand pb anoraks who are *bored*. What do they want? Civil insurrection??
    To be pedantic I'm sure we've been 4th before, the yellow taxi days surely had us behind the NI parties.
    Interesting point. Were you ever behind any individual NI party in both votes and seats?

    Genuine question. I find it hard to think you were.

    In this election you look almost certain to end up behind UKIP in votes and behind the SNP in seats.
    Wikipedia says the Lib Dems (Liberals) have indeed never come worse than 3rd in seats before, and definitely never in votes.

    They also now look a shoo-in for their worst voteshare since 1970, when they got 7.5%. Since then they've never polled less than 14%, which now looks like a pipe dream for them.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,653
    edited April 2015
    SeanT said:

    corporeal said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Freggles said:

    Is it just me or has the election gotten boring in the last 7 days or so?
    Of course there is still the mathematical uncertainty, but the manifestos were a dud. Where is our bigotgate or Cleggmania?

    It's just you. This is the most intriguing election, for so many reasons, in many decades. Anyone who claims otherwise is a twit, with zero hindsight.

    It's an intriguing deadlock. People think it's dull because it's deadlocked, but it's fascinating nonetheless, just not fascinating AND mobile. It may be that the really interesting part will come after May 7.
    Agreed. People who are bored by this aren't thinking hard enough. Britain stands on the edge of a decision which could, theoretically, 1. eject us from the EU, 2, wipe out all major parties in Scotland, 3. help to dissolve the UK entirely, 4, see the Libs reduced, for the first time in democratic history, to 4th place, 5. see endless Scots Labour bigwigs retired overnight, 6, see the emergence of a major UK-wide party for the first time in decades... and on and on.

    All of the above is very possible. And more. Yet all is unpredictable because the polls are all over the place.

    I find it hard to understand pb anoraks who are *bored*. What do they want? Civil insurrection??
    To be pedantic I'm sure we've been 4th before, the yellow taxi days surely had us behind the NI parties.
    Interesting point. Were you ever behind any individual NI party in both votes and seats?

    Genuine question. I find it hard to think you were.

    In this election you look almost certain to end up behind UKIP in votes and behind the SNP in seats.
    Those were the days when there were effectively no other parties to be fourth behind. There was the odd republican or nationalist, but no party with more than two members at Westminster from 1950 until the UUP and SNP and Plaid Cymru all broke through in 1974.
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    SeanT said:

    corporeal said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Freggles said:

    Is it just me or has the election gotten boring in the last 7 days or so?
    Of course there is still the mathematical uncertainty, but the manifestos were a dud. Where is our bigotgate or Cleggmania?

    It's just you. This is the most intriguing election, for so many reasons, in many decades. Anyone who claims otherwise is a twit, with zero hindsight.

    It's an intriguing deadlock. People think it's dull because it's deadlocked, but it's fascinating nonetheless, just not fascinating AND mobile. It may be that the really interesting part will come after May 7.
    Agreed. People who are bored by this aren't thinking hard enough. Britain stands on the edge of a decision which could, theoretically, 1. eject us from the EU, 2, wipe out all major parties in Scotland, 3. help to dissolve the UK entirely, 4, see the Libs reduced, for the first time in democratic history, to 4th place, 5. see endless Scots Labour bigwigs retired overnight, 6, see the emergence of a major UK-wide party for the first time in decades... and on and on.

    All of the above is very possible. And more. Yet all is unpredictable because the polls are all over the place.

    I find it hard to understand pb anoraks who are *bored*. What do they want? Civil insurrection??
    To be pedantic I'm sure we've been 4th before, the yellow taxi days surely had us behind the NI parties.
    Interesting point. Were you ever behind any individual NI party in both votes and seats?

    Genuine question. I find it hard to think you were.

    In this election you look almost certain to end up behind UKIP in votes and behind the SNP in seats.
    Taking a look back, while there were two Liberal factions one was of course in 4th, and for a while the Conservatives in Scotland were still technically the separate Unionist party.

    In 1950 the UUP had 10 seats to the Liberal 9, but on ~350,000 votes compared to Liberal ~2,600,000
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    If I can find the energy I should finally write that post of how 2010 might be the low point in Liberal support ever.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,149
    chestnut said:

    chestnut said:


    The situation here in West Essex is?

    West Essex? Isn't that those five boroughs now making up NE Greater London?

    :)
    Not quite. At least not in the way I work it out :smile: . My local MP is a deputy speaker. Redbridge is next door.
    Epping Forest?

    Epping Ongar Railway 150th Anniversary this weekend :)
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117

    tyson said:

    Fenster said:

    Test cricket is the greatest sport in the world.

    Agreed. I couldn't play the sport for toffee, but I love watching it.

    Not a fan of T20 though.

    T20 is pointless.
    I captained my school team in 6th form against Manchester Grammar when Michael Atherton was playing. We got thrashed, obviously.

    I read that Phil Neville was rated a better prospect than Atherton but chose football.
    The Neville brothers were both promising cricketers.
    I loved Atherton's nickname at Lancashire- FEC- which stood for Future England Captain, or....

    I can remember one time facing the prospect of Paul Allott- who was a few years older. When we were waiting to bat we were shaking with fear. Noone wanted to go in- we were literally passing the pads around.

    I cannot imagine what it felt like to face that West Indian attack of the 80's- Marshall, Holding, Garner, Roberts and Croft as a backup. Holding and Roberts often opened, and then on came Marshall. It makes me wince just thinking about it.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    edited April 2015
    kle4 said:

    MP_SE said:

    SeanT said:

    Farage has been seriously off-form all through the campaign - sweating and slow-footed in TV debates, etc. I believe he probably is ill, plus he has the pressure of being (virtually) a one-man band. How much travelling and speaking does he do?? It would kill most people.

    In the face of Farage's sub-par performance, UKIP's polling has held up very well, considering. It augurs well for their future, perhaps. They CAN prosper without Nigel?
    I think the talk of him performing poorly is largely overstated. Much like the reports that he has done nothing in South Thanet.
    I thought he handled his Davis interview well. He also didn't seem as tired or shouty in it.
    I have yet to watch it as I am trying to keep my blood pressure down. I think Dave got stitched up by Davis as well if I remember correctly?

    I think the Dan Hodges of the world look for any excuse to bash him. Every comment over analysed and picked over.
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    murali_s said:

    The Tories are expediting Scottish independence...

    The irony is that they call themselves the Conservative and Unionist Party.

    Good, if Salmond had been half as good as he thought, they would already be gone.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Tonights YG EICIPM
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    murali_s said:

    The Tories are expediting Scottish independence...

    The irony is that they call themselves the Conservative and Unionist Party.

    What would you have them do? The thing leading to Scottish independence is an SNP landslide; nothing the Tories could do - which amounts to seeing if the English will get a bit mad - will make a difference to that fundamental fact.

    This line that the Tories are somehow causing this situation is beyond me. Are they making it better, from a unionist perspective? Not really. But saying some mean words in a GE campaign, which will not affect how the vote in Scotland is going, will not make it any worse. The SNP surge came on far too late (or was noticed far too late) for even those unionists so inclined (and many were and would not be in any case) to contemplate presenting a united unionist front (either single candidates or, more likely, just an acceptance of agreeing to tactically vote across the unionist parties), which is surely the only thing that could have helped stem the tide.

    Tories being mean isn't expediting anything - it is merely a symptom of the current situation.
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    tyson said:

    tyson said:

    Fenster said:

    Test cricket is the greatest sport in the world.

    Agreed. I couldn't play the sport for toffee, but I love watching it.

    Not a fan of T20 though.

    T20 is pointless.
    I captained my school team in 6th form against Manchester Grammar when Michael Atherton was playing. We got thrashed, obviously.

    I read that Phil Neville was rated a better prospect than Atherton but chose football.
    The Neville brothers were both promising cricketers.
    I loved Atherton's nickname at Lancashire- FEC- which stood for Future England Captain, or....

    I can remember one time facing the prospect of Paul Allott- who was a few years older. When we were waiting to bat we were shaking with fear. Noone wanted to go in- we were literally passing the pads around.

    I cannot imagine what it felt like to face that West Indian attack of the 80's- Marshall, Holding, Garner, Roberts and Croft as a backup. Holding and Roberts often opened, and then on came Marshall. It makes me wince just thinking about it.
    I played both cricket and football against Mike Gatting, who was a goalkeeper at school.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,653
    EPG said:

    SeanT said:

    corporeal said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Freggles said:

    Is it just me or has the election gotten boring in the last 7 days or so?
    Of course there is still the mathematical uncertainty, but the manifestos were a dud. Where is our bigotgate or Cleggmania?

    It's just you. This is the most intriguing election, for so many reasons, in many decades. Anyone who claims otherwise is a twit, with zero hindsight.

    It's an intriguing deadlock. People think it's dull because it's deadlocked, but it's fascinating nonetheless, just not fascinating AND mobile. It may be that the really interesting part will come after May 7.
    Agreed. People who are bored by this aren't thinking hard enough. Britain stands on the edge of a decision which could, theoretically, 1. eject us from the EU, 2, wipe out all major parties in Scotland, 3. help to dissolve the UK entirely, 4, see the Libs reduced, for the first time in democratic history, to 4th place, 5. see endless Scots Labour bigwigs retired overnight, 6, see the emergence of a major UK-wide party for the first time in decades... and on and on.

    All of the above is very possible. And more. Yet all is unpredictable because the polls are all over the place.

    I find it hard to understand pb anoraks who are *bored*. What do they want? Civil insurrection??
    To be pedantic I'm sure we've been 4th before, the yellow taxi days surely had us behind the NI parties.
    Interesting point. Were you ever behind any individual NI party in both votes and seats?

    Genuine question. I find it hard to think you were.

    In this election you look almost certain to end up behind UKIP in votes and behind the SNP in seats.
    Those were the days when there were effectively no other parties to be fourth behind. There was the odd republican or nationalist, but no party with more than two members at Westminster from 1950 until the UUP and SNP and Plaid Cymru all broke through in 1974.
    Oops - I forgot the Vanguard Unionist Progressive Party also won 3 seats in 1974.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    MP_SE said:

    kle4 said:

    MP_SE said:

    SeanT said:

    Farage has been seriously off-form all through the campaign - sweating and slow-footed in TV debates, etc. I believe he probably is ill, plus he has the pressure of being (virtually) a one-man band. How much travelling and speaking does he do?? It would kill most people.

    In the face of Farage's sub-par performance, UKIP's polling has held up very well, considering. It augurs well for their future, perhaps. They CAN prosper without Nigel?
    I think the talk of him performing poorly is largely overstated. Much like the reports that he has done nothing in South Thanet.
    I thought he handled his Davis interview well. He also didn't seem as tired or shouty in it.
    I have yet to watch it as I am trying to keep my blood pressure down. I think Dave got stitched up by Davis as well if I remember correctly?
    I thought Dave did ok (better than Miliband, who after some really good performances in the debates I thought adopted a poor tone in his interview), I don't really recall him getting stitched up. Davis trying some gotcha moments, but nothing that wouldn't be expected was my recollection.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,672

    Test cricket is the greatest sport in the world.

    It is the absolute pinnacle of sporting achievement.
    kle4 said:

    AndyJS said:

    tyson said:

    Is anyone else watching the cricket? Two teams with pedestrian bowlers on slow wickets. It's still worth watching mind- UKIP cricket, a throwback to a different era when no team ever won a match.
    I've tried to explain test cricket to Italians. It baffles them. 5 days of 6-7 hours play a day, and often ends up as a draw They don't get the point.
    There is a review....

    I'm listening to the cricket. The whole point of cricket is it's like real life. You have boring passages of play and exciting ones. You need the boring bits to appreciate the exciting bits. Maybe the Italians would understand that way of explaining it.
    The length of time accentuates the drama, allows for more shifts back and forth, I always feel. When you have a five day game that can still come down to the final hour, the final overs, the suspense is mesmerizing. You can relax, listening and tuning in on and off for days as a pleasant distraction but nothing more, then passages of frantic activity turn things on its head and days of effort from an entire team can pay off or come to nothing. Such glory.
    It is beautiful.
    The 2005 Ashes was probably sport at it's very pinnacle, the drama was unbelievable. Yet in spite of the hostilities the sportsmanship was incredible, Flintoff consoling Lee the perfect example, but in another Test Lee ran round the boundary to shake hands with Strauss as he was walking back to the pavilion after a heroic innings.

    Even the word pavilion suits the grace of the sport.

    The last day of the Oval test with England teetering I finished a meeting at the Imperial business school and started watching the Pietersen stand with Ashley Giles in an empty coffee bar there. Soon a couple of faculty members stopped by, started watching and couldn't leave; then more and more people arrived until the place was packed and utterly transfixed: silence and intent TV stares as we all counted down the overs until we knew we could relax.

    Pietersen was unbelievable, but Giles was just heroic to stick with him and to go on when he was out. Giles got so much stick from the Australians and parts of the press, but at Trent Bridge and then again at the Oval he saw England home. The King of Spain - true grit, not much turn and a real hero that summer.
  • Test cricket is the greatest sport in the world.

    Test Cricket is the most boring sport in the world. And Golf.
    No, that's basketball.

  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    murali_s said:

    The Tories are expediting Scottish independence...

    The irony is that they call themselves the Conservative and Unionist Party.

    On which day did the SNP say something positive about the Tory Party.

    It is an election, parties are allowed to attack each other in a verbal not Prescott sense.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited April 2015

    SeanT said:

    Is it too early to say that, without the useless, boozy, sheep-tupping Aussies and Kiwi "soldiers" we'd probably have won in Gallipoli and succcessfully wrapped up WW1 in 1917?

    On the commemorative day for the large numbers of Aussie and Kiwi soldiers who died in Gallipol I dont think that comment is appropriate
    My Grandmothers Uncle James was one of the ANZACs 100 years ago today. A 26 year old schoolteacher working in Melbourne. He volunteered and was made Sergeant, perhaps because as Teacher he was slightly older and seen as an authority figure. He was in the 6th bn, who landed and took the ridge. They were completely overrun by Mustafa Kemal's counter attack. The battalion had no time to entrench or set up heavy weapons. A handful of stragglers survived and the Anzacs never got the ridge back. His name is on the Lone Pine Memorial. His war lasted just one day of combat.

    I was in Sydney for ANZAC DAY some years ago, and seeing the old soldiers parading was very very moving. I was interested to see many British (presumably post war migrants) proudly marching with them, before retiring to the pub to play 2 Up and be bought drinks by an appreciative public. It is a very stirring experience.
  • I think I am going to watch more travel, sport and documentary programmes and ignore politics until Friday 8th May and tune in then to see what happened - and by the way I have ditched you gov surveys as they seem pointless
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591

    I think I am going to watch more travel, sport and documentary programmes and ignore politics until Friday 8th May and tune in then to see what happened - and by the way I have ditched you gov surveys as they seem pointless

    Unless the outcome is indeed within 1-2 points of the 33/35 split they have been consistently showing.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117

    tyson said:

    tyson said:

    Fenster said:

    Test cricket is the greatest sport in the world.

    Agreed. I couldn't play the sport for toffee, but I love watching it.

    Not a fan of T20 though.

    T20 is pointless.
    I captained my school team in 6th form against Manchester Grammar when Michael Atherton was playing. We got thrashed, obviously.

    I read that Phil Neville was rated a better prospect than Atherton but chose football.
    The Neville brothers were both promising cricketers.
    I loved Atherton's nickname at Lancashire- FEC- which stood for Future England Captain, or....

    I can remember one time facing the prospect of Paul Allott- who was a few years older. When we were waiting to bat we were shaking with fear. Noone wanted to go in- we were literally passing the pads around.

    I cannot imagine what it felt like to face that West Indian attack of the 80's- Marshall, Holding, Garner, Roberts and Croft as a backup. Holding and Roberts often opened, and then on came Marshall. It makes me wince just thinking about it.
    I played both cricket and football against Mike Gatting, who was a goalkeeper at school.
    I loved watching Gatting bat. He wasn't the most elegant, but he had a great hook.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited April 2015
    kle4 said:


    Unless the outcome is indeed within 1-2 points of the 33/35 split they have been consistently showing.

    A marvellously middle of the road, margin of error set of numbers. 34-34 would be better
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    Danny565 said:

    SeanT said:

    corporeal said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Freggles said:

    Is it just me or has the election gotten boring in the last 7 days or so?
    Of course there is still the mathematical uncertainty, but the manifestos were a dud. Where is our bigotgate or Cleggmania?

    It's just you. This is the most intriguing election, for so many reasons, in many decades. Anyone who claims otherwise is a twit, with zero hindsight.

    It's an intriguing deadlock. People think it's dull because it's deadlocked, but it's fascinating nonetheless, just not fascinating AND mobile. It may be that the really interesting part will come after May 7.
    Agreed. People who are bored by this aren't thinking hard enough. Britain stands on the edge of a decision which could, theoretically, 1. eject us from the EU, 2, wipe out all major parties in Scotland, 3. help to dissolve the UK entirely, 4, see the Libs reduced, for the first time in democratic history, to 4th place, 5. see endless Scots Labour bigwigs retired overnight, 6, see the emergence of a major UK-wide party for the first time in decades... and on and on.

    All of the above is very possible. And more. Yet all is unpredictable because the polls are all over the place.

    I find it hard to understand pb anoraks who are *bored*. What do they want? Civil insurrection??
    To be pedantic I'm sure we've been 4th before, the yellow taxi days surely had us behind the NI parties.
    Interesting point. Were you ever behind any individual NI party in both votes and seats?

    Genuine question. I find it hard to think you were.

    In this election you look almost certain to end up behind UKIP in votes and behind the SNP in seats.
    Wikipedia says the Lib Dems (Liberals) have indeed never come worse than 3rd in seats before, and definitely never in votes.

    They also now look a shoo-in for their worst voteshare since 1970, when they got 7.5%. Since then they've never polled less than 14%, which now looks like a pipe dream for them.
    1950
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Nige is on the jellies and still drinking ? Hmmm.
  • kle4 said:

    I think I am going to watch more travel, sport and documentary programmes and ignore politics until Friday 8th May and tune in then to see what happened - and by the way I have ditched you gov surveys as they seem pointless

    Unless the outcome is indeed within 1-2 points of the 33/35 split they have been consistently showing.
    It only seems to have happened in the last few weeks when they changed their methods but opinion polls will be 'pointless' anyway after the 7th May until another election looms into sight
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    I like all sport.

    From a betting prospective I seem to do best at Snooker and Cricket.
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549

    kle4 said:

    I think I am going to watch more travel, sport and documentary programmes and ignore politics until Friday 8th May and tune in then to see what happened - and by the way I have ditched you gov surveys as they seem pointless

    Unless the outcome is indeed within 1-2 points of the 33/35 split they have been consistently showing.
    It only seems to have happened in the last few weeks when they changed their methods but opinion polls will be 'pointless' anyway after the 7th May until another election looms into sight
    Which might be 6 months.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Danny565 said:

    SeanT said:

    corporeal said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Freggles said:

    Is it just me or has the election gotten boring in the last 7 days or so?
    Of course there is still the mathematical uncertainty, but the manifestos were a dud. Where is our bigotgate or Cleggmania?

    It's just you. This is the most intriguing election, for so many reasons, in many decades. Anyone who claims otherwise is a twit, with zero hindsight.

    It's an intriguing deadlock. People think it's dull because it's deadlocked, but it's fascinating nonetheless, just not fascinating AND mobile. It may be that the really interesting part will come after May 7.
    Agreed. People who are bored by this aren't thinking hard enough. Britain stands on the edge of a decision which could, theoretically, 1. eject us from the EU, 2, wipe out all major parties in Scotland, 3. help to dissolve the UK entirely, 4, see the Libs reduced, for the first time in democratic history, to 4th place, 5. see endless Scots Labour bigwigs retired overnight, 6, see the emergence of a major UK-wide party for the first time in decades... and on and on.

    All of the above is very possible. And more. Yet all is unpredictable because the polls are all over the place.

    I find it hard to understand pb anoraks who are *bored*. What do they want? Civil insurrection??
    To be pedantic I'm sure we've been 4th before, the yellow taxi days surely had us behind the NI parties.
    Interesting point. Were you ever behind any individual NI party in both votes and seats?

    Genuine question. I find it hard to think you were.

    In this election you look almost certain to end up behind UKIP in votes and behind the SNP in seats.
    Wikipedia says the Lib Dems (Liberals) have indeed never come worse than 3rd in seats before, and definitely never in votes.

    They also now look a shoo-in for their worst voteshare since 1970, when they got 7.5%. Since then they've never polled less than 14%, which now looks like a pipe dream for them.
    It looks to be worse than 1970. At that election the Liberals only stood in half the seats and got 7.5% of the national vote. One reason that the Lib vote went up in 74 was that they stood in nearly all the seats. It did not do them much good in terms of seats though.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    The election is now not between Tory vs Labour but between the methods of Yougov, Populus vs Ashcroft, ICM

    One group will turn out to be wrong.
  • corporeal said:

    kle4 said:

    I think I am going to watch more travel, sport and documentary programmes and ignore politics until Friday 8th May and tune in then to see what happened - and by the way I have ditched you gov surveys as they seem pointless

    Unless the outcome is indeed within 1-2 points of the 33/35 split they have been consistently showing.
    It only seems to have happened in the last few weeks when they changed their methods but opinion polls will be 'pointless' anyway after the 7th May until another election looms into sight
    Which might be 6 months.
    Agreed
  • surbiton said:

    The election is now not between Tory vs Labour but between the methods of Yougov, Populus vs Ashcroft, ICM

    One group will turn out to be wrong.

    Unless they converge in the next 10 days
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    Danny565 said:

    SeanT said:

    corporeal said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Freggles said:

    Is it just me or has the election gotten boring in the last 7 days or so?
    Of course there is still the mathematical uncertainty, but the manifestos were a dud. Where is our bigotgate or Cleggmania?

    It's just you. This is the most intriguing election, for so many reasons, in many decades. Anyone who claims otherwise is a twit, with zero hindsight.

    It's an intriguing deadlock. People think it's dull because it's deadlocked, but it's fascinating nonetheless, just not fascinating AND mobile. It may be that the really interesting part will come after May 7.
    Agreed. People who are bored by this aren't thinking hard enough. Britain stands on the edge of a decision which could, theoretically, 1. eject us from the EU, 2, wipe out all major parties in Scotland, 3. help to dissolve the UK entirely, 4, see the Libs reduced, for the first time in democratic history, to 4th place, 5. see endless Scots Labour bigwigs retired overnight, 6, see the emergence of a major UK-wide party for the first time in decades... and on and on.

    All of the above is very possible. And more. Yet all is unpredictable because the polls are all over the place.

    I find it hard to understand pb anoraks who are *bored*. What do they want? Civil insurrection??
    To be pedantic I'm sure we've been 4th before, the yellow taxi days surely had us behind the NI parties.
    Interesting point. Were you ever behind any individual NI party in both votes and seats?

    Genuine question. I find it hard to think you were.

    In this election you look almost certain to end up behind UKIP in votes and behind the SNP in seats.
    Wikipedia says the Lib Dems (Liberals) have indeed never come worse than 3rd in seats before, and definitely never in votes.

    They also now look a shoo-in for their worst voteshare since 1970, when they got 7.5%. Since then they've never polled less than 14%, which now looks like a pipe dream for them.
    It looks to be worse than 1970. At that election the Liberals only stood in half the seats and got 7.5% of the national vote. One reason that the Lib vote went up in 74 was that they stood in nearly all the seats. It did not do them much good in terms of seats though.
    And was expensive since deposit was 12.5% in those days.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117
    surbiton said:

    The election is now not between Tory vs Labour but between the methods of Yougov, Populus vs Ashcroft, ICM

    One group will turn out to be wrong.

    Newsnight reporting tonight that the Tory high command are upbeat about their Jock bashing strategy, and even Labour privately are admitting it is working.

  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,672
    murali_s said:

    The Tories are expediting Scottish independence...

    The irony is that they call themselves the Conservative and Unionist Party.

    I thought that originally, but the Scots aren't going anywhere for a while now. The economics of independence have totally collapsed - the witterings of a few fundamentalists notwithstanding. It looks like we'll all be stuck in a loveless marriage; necessity, rather than any affection, holding things together - at least until the oil price has staged a sustained recovery.

  • tyson said:

    surbiton said:

    The election is now not between Tory vs Labour but between the methods of Yougov, Populus vs Ashcroft, ICM

    One group will turn out to be wrong.

    Newsnight reporting tonight that the Tory high command are upbeat about their Jock bashing strategy, and even Labour privately are admitting it is working.

    Does Nick (P) ?????
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    philiph said:

    murali_s said:

    The Tories are expediting Scottish independence...

    The irony is that they call themselves the Conservative and Unionist Party.

    On which day did the SNP say something positive about the Tory Party.

    It is an election, parties are allowed to attack each other in a verbal not Prescott sense.
    My Scotland Manager came to see me today. In England, he would be a Tory. He was saying even the referendum result was now irrelevant given the Tories, in their language, have more or less said that the SNP [ by implication the Scots ] are a pariah nation / people.

    The only way the "Union" can survive is if the Tories lose; if they win , thanks to the EU referendum, another can of worms will be opened and if Scotland is not given a separate referendum if England votes to come out , then I think there will be riots.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited April 2015
    I've noticed that ElectionForecast and Newsnight Index have been giving almost identical figures in the last few days. I thought they might be one and the same forecast but they can't be because there are slight differences of one or two seats. Maybe they are the same base forecast with minor tweakings.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    AndyJS said:

    I've noticed that ElectionForecast and Newsnight Index have been giving almost identical figures in the last few days. I thought they might be one and the same forecast but they can't be because there are slight differences of one or two seats.

    Aren't they computed by the same person ? The models might be slightly different.
  • DadgeDadge Posts: 2,052
    To my delight my giant electoral computer has spat out Con 279 Lab 279 tonight. What are the odds on no party reaching 280 seats?
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    TGOHF said:

    Nige is on the jellies and still drinking ? Hmmm.

    It's nonsense, innit.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    Test cricket is the greatest sport in the world.

    Test Cricket is the most boring sport in the world. And Golf.
    I agree with you about golf.
  • AndyJS said:

    Test cricket is the greatest sport in the world.

    Test Cricket is the most boring sport in the world. And Golf.
    I agree with you about golf.
    Its not if you play it
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    surbiton said:

    philiph said:

    murali_s said:

    The Tories are expediting Scottish independence...

    The irony is that they call themselves the Conservative and Unionist Party.

    On which day did the SNP say something positive about the Tory Party.

    It is an election, parties are allowed to attack each other in a verbal not Prescott sense.
    My Scotland Manager came to see me today. In England, he would be a Tory. He was saying even the referendum result was now irrelevant given the Tories, in their language, have more or less said that the SNP [ by implication the Scots ] are a pariah nation / people.

    The only way the "Union" can survive is if the Tories lose; if they win , thanks to the EU referendum, another can of worms will be opened and if Scotland is not given a separate referendum if England votes to come out , then I think there will be riots.
    With an SNP landslide I cannot see how another Indy referendum will not come at some point, EU referendum or not. I still take issue with the 'SNP [by implication the Scots]' comments. Some very few might go so far, but it is reasonable to make a distinction to how SNP MPs may not act in the best interests of the whole union (in addition to their duties to their own particular constituents) because they don't care about the union, and how if they have the definitive influence in this election that is more of an issue than when only a handful, contrasted with just a regular Scottish MP. If the Scots are happy with them as their choice, fine, a way will have to be found to work everything out, but it is as legitimate for other parties to suggest they would be a bad choice, as it is legitimate for the Scots to ignore that suggestion and be represented by them in Westminster.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    edited April 2015
    surbiton said:

    Danny565 said:

    SeanT said:

    corporeal said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Freggles said:

    Is it just me or has the election gotten boring in the last 7 days or so?
    Of course there is still the mathematical uncertainty, but the manifestos were a dud. Where is our bigotgate or Cleggmania?

    It's just you. This is the most intriguing election, for so many reasons, in many decades. Anyone who claims otherwise is a twit, with zero hindsight.

    It's an intriguing deadlock. People think it's dull because it's deadlocked, but it's fascinating nonetheless, just not fascinating AND mobile. It may be that the really interesting part will come after May 7.
    Agreed. People who are bored by this aren't thinking hard enough. Britain stands on the edge of a decision which could, theoretically, 1. eject us from the EU, 2, wipe out all major parties in Scotland, 3. help to dissolve the UK entirely, 4, see the Libs reduced, for the first time in democratic history, to 4th place, 5. see endless Scots Labour bigwigs retired overnight, 6, see the emergence of a major UK-wide party for the first time in decades... and on and on.

    All of the above is very possible. And more. Yet all is unpredictable because the polls are all over the place.

    I find it hard to understand pb anoraks who are *bored*. What do they want? Civil insurrection??
    To be pedantic I'm sure we've been 4th before, the yellow taxi days surely had us behind the NI parties.
    Interesting point. Were you ever behind any individual NI party in both votes and seats?

    Genuine question. I find it hard to think you were.

    In this election you look almost certain to end up behind UKIP in votes and behind the SNP in seats.
    Wikipedia says the Lib Dems (Liberals) have indeed never come worse than 3rd in seats before, and definitely never in votes.

    They also now look a shoo-in for their worst voteshare since 1970, when they got 7.5%. Since then they've never polled less than 14%, which now looks like a pipe dream for them.
    It looks to be worse than 1970. At that election the Liberals only stood in half the seats and got 7.5% of the national vote. One reason that the Lib vote went up in 74 was that they stood in nearly all the seats. It did not do them much good in terms of seats though.
    And was expensive since deposit was 12.5% in those days.
    Yikes. I can see why standing in all seats, or close to all seats, was even more the province of only a few than today.

    Didn't some Think Tank recommend reducing the deposit level even further recently, or getting rid of it altogether?

    Night all.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117
    surbiton said:

    AndyJS said:

    I've noticed that ElectionForecast and Newsnight Index have been giving almost identical figures in the last few days. I thought they might be one and the same forecast but they can't be because there are slight differences of one or two seats.

    Aren't they computed by the same person ? The models might be slightly different.
    I think they are the same- Election Forecast will fall into line tomorrow when they update the database.



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