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  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Now that was genocide that rarely gets a mention nowadays.

    The notion of reservations is just WTF.
    FalseFlag said:

    taffys said:

    ''I look forward to the passengers of the Mayflower being described as calculating criminals.''

    What an absurd comparison.

    I would however quite like to avoid the fate of the American Indians.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    The front pages of the tabloids will probably not be dominated by the election tomorrow.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited April 2015
    Ha! I was just thinking about that sketch last night. I'd like obedient parsnips - they're tricky customers - look like potatoes and act like celery. Speaking of celery, why would anyone cook it? Like cooking cucumbers. WTF?

    Weird. Raw courgettes are rather nice, I like them quick fried with almost anything.
    JackW said:

    Plato said:

    Ha! Been a long time since I tried any fruit or veg and thought YUCK!

    The most revolting was pomegranate - like unripe bananas on steroids/teeth suckingly dry - and star fruit, urgh. Oh and kumquats. I'd like to try jack fruit - they're like uber pineapples from Mexico IIRC. I'm not too keen on pineapples myself but always willing to try something new.

    My mum loved exotic/novelty stuff and I endured so many I've lost count. Nothing is more horrible than school dinner stewed rhubarb. Visually revolting.

    JackW said:

    Plato said:

    OT Culinary question - what would PBers recommend asparagus with? I

    The kitchen bin .... :naughty:

    I subscribe to the Margaret Thatcher (a la Spitting Image) view on vegetables. They should do as they're told.

  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    antifrank said:

    The front pages of the tabloids will probably not be dominated by the election tomorrow.

    Cook out for another duck ?
  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795

    BenM said:

    FPT:



    A grammar school in every town will also help.

    No it wouldn't.
    It wouldn't if your objective is not to raise social mobility or give bright working class kids a chance to get on.

    Race to the bottom, you win.
    Try to understand that all the research shows that Grammars rig the system against poor kids and so stifle mobility.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    antifrank said:

    The front pages of the tabloids will probably not be dominated by the election tomorrow.

    Is the Spare on it's way?
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976

    Surely the story, if any, behind the "terrifying" Salmond video is that Salmond is still calling the shots (or he thinks he is) not Sturgeon?

    The Salmon/Sturgeon rhetoric sounds more like a double act to me. – No matter who’s in charge, both appear hell bent on embarrassing Ed.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    edited April 2015
    Is it me or is there a fair correlation between Scots who don't like the SNP and Rangers fans on Twitter :) ?
  • FalseFlagFalseFlag Posts: 1,801
    Sean_F said:

    taffys said:

    ''I look forward to the passengers of the Mayflower being described as calculating criminals.''

    What an absurd comparison.

    It's entirely reasonable that people should want to leave poverty-stricken third world countries and settle in rich countries. And, it's entirely reasonable that rich countries should not wish to admit them in huge numbers.
    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifeboat_ethics
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Apparently the grid narrative is meant to be about the NHS - I've not noticed this at all. And I'm not exactly the average media watcher here.
    SeanT said:

    Alex Salmond now trending on Twitter, at number 6.

    Every day this election focusses on Miliband=Sturgeon is another day lost for Labour.

  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Pulpstar said:

    Is it me or is there a fair correlation between Scots who don't like the SNP and Rangers fans on Twitter :) ?

    Two persecuted sections of society ;)
  • LadyBucketLadyBucket Posts: 590
    Switched on the BBC Parliament, which was advertising a Conservative Live Event and what did I see ARTHUR SCARGILL LAUNCHING THE 'SOCIALIST LABOUR MANIFESTO' arghhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    edited April 2015
    SeanT said:

    Alex Salmond now trending on Twitter, at number 6.

    Every day this election focusses on Miliband=Sturgeon is another day lost for Labour.

    #WikiShappsFacts at #3

    And #Cameronettes at #2 mind.

    Ed will be dissapointed not to have #Edmilifandom not trending still, but thats yesterday's chip wrappers.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:
    And it's very hard for Salmond to claim it is an obvious joke, given his record on this
    He seems to do a half chuckle about everything serious anyway - to show how laughable his opponent's positions are, I presume - so it wouldn't be that different from his serious words even if it is an obvious joke.
    Polruan said:

    Scott_P said:
    Thing is, if Miliband is weak etc etc, maybe Salmond writing the budget would be an upgrade, right? Or is he definitionally unfit to write budgets cos he's Scottish, like?
    Being Scottish would not be the issue. Being by definition unconcerned with the rest of the UK might lead to difficulties in being fair in apportioning any nationwide budget. If Sturgeon was writing it (not in the literal sense obviously, even Salmond wouldn't mean that) I'm sure far fewer would have a problem with the idea - not that Salmond does not have admirers in the south, he is a formidable man, but Sturgeon seems to have more of a likability factor at the moment, as well as those Lefty credentials which, you're right, some people would see as an upgrade.
    dr_spyn said:

    Plato said:

    Havng...

    Anorak said:

    Plato said:

    I've saoes too...

    TGOHF said:

    Plato said:

    OT C squeak.

    Jammon etc.
    Drter.
    Had that for lunch today about 2 hours ago - tend to bake it for 12-14 minutes.

    Though I also had a poached egg with my asparagus,



    I switched to a Halogen oven, which is a bit small for a big proper dinner, but for one-two people it works very well and I swear has improved many things compared to the gas oven.
    Carnyx said:

    Alistair said:

    TGOHF said:

    Eck's back

    @D

    httpc9e …

    o?
    I also don't see any PB Tory shock at the potentially personally offensive comments by Mr Cameron about Mr Salmond being a thief... it does show a certain mentality, and one that won't help the Tory revival in Scotland.
    There's no potentially about it, those comments were personally offensive. Quite a funny quip mind, but certainly Mr Salmond should be offended. I take issue with the idea that making a quip about an opponent shows a certain mentality though. It was just a reactive, cruel quip. The bile spewing back and forth between the SNP and many in England is far more vicious and far more impactful, to entire segments of the population, than a mean jibe.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I thought he was dead or senile. Well one learns something new on PB.

    Switched on the BBC Parliament, which was advertising a Conservative Live Event and what did I see ARTHUR SCARGILL LAUNCHING THE 'SOCIALIST LABOUR MANIFESTO' arghhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    BenM said:

    BenM said:

    FPT:



    A grammar school in every town will also help.

    No it wouldn't.
    It wouldn't if your objective is not to raise social mobility or give bright working class kids a chance to get on.

    Race to the bottom, you win.
    Try to understand that all the research shows that Grammars rig the system against poor kids and so stifle mobility.
    Look at the number of kids from state schools at Oxbridge when Grammars were prevalent compared to before and after
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Pulpstar said:

    SeanT said:

    Alex Salmond now trending on Twitter, at number 6.

    Every day this election focusses on Miliband=Sturgeon is another day lost for Labour.

    #WikiShappsFacts at #3

    And #Cameronettes at #2 mind.

    Ed will be dissapointed not to have #Edmilifandom not trending still, but thats yesterday's chip wrappers.
    Silicon chips, presumably, for twitter.
  • Bond_James_BondBond_James_Bond Posts: 1,939
    edited April 2015
    antifrank said:

    The front pages of the tabloids will probably not be dominated by the election tomorrow.

    Why not?

    Has Elvis been found living with Shergar, or something?
  • timmotimmo Posts: 1,469
    TGOHF said:

    45 SNP gains
    20 LD losses
    20 Labour/Tory shifts
    3 others

    I would go under 100 .

    Only 20 LD losses..hope your right..im long at 26.
  • LadyBucketLadyBucket Posts: 590
    The BBC not running the Alex Salmond video, which has been running on SKY for a couple of hours now!
  • volcanopetevolcanopete Posts: 2,078
    Polling by YouGov indicates young people are voting but generation rent are not.The Tory manifesto never mentioned 11 million privately-rented tenants,nor that 25% of Tory MPs are private landlords.There are votes there to be harvested.
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,067
    MaxPB said:

    SMukesh said:

    Tories and SNP playing a mutually beneficial game.MILI needs to rule out a deal with SNO

    He can't because that would basically end any chance of him becoming PM. Without SNP support there is no way he can make it into No. 10.
    It all depends on the numbers - if Labour get 290 and the LDs get 30 - that's the basis of a Government with EICIPM.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited April 2015
    antifrank said:

    The front pages of the tabloids will probably not be dominated by the election tomorrow.

    "This prosecution will take you into a world you wished did not exist."

    *Gulp*
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    For 'tis the sport to have the engineer. Hoist with his own petard.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-32415303

    Stephen Gilbert caught speeding in August, slow pace of justice in Cornwall.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591

    Surely the story, if any, behind the "terrifying" Salmond video is that Salmond is still calling the shots (or he thinks he is) not Sturgeon?

    Whatever differences they might or might not have, I am quite certain they are coordinating to maximum advantage in these times of plenty for the party, so it makes little difference to the opponents of the SNP even if that is the case. I mean, Salmond has more baggage and probably has more people who dislike him than Sturgeon, but he's not that much of a drag on them, certainly not in Scotland, and only a bit more in England.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    The BBC not running the Alex Salmond video, which has been running on SKY for a couple of hours now!


    They are focussing on the important issues

    BBC Politics ‏@BBCPolitics 20m20 minutes ago
    Where we are with Grant Shapps and Wikipedia, @xtophercook asks http://bbc.in/1HkK8zD pic.twitter.com/bE7dWiJijS

  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Whatever the facts, if Tom Baldwin was caught editing his Wikipage, I'd be amazed if anyone cared.I noticed the Mirror had Shapps frontpage splash. Desperately core activist voter there.
    Pulpstar said:

    SeanT said:

    Alex Salmond now trending on Twitter, at number 6.

    Every day this election focusses on Miliband=Sturgeon is another day lost for Labour.

    #WikiShappsFacts at #3

    And #Cameronettes at #2 mind.

    Ed will be dissapointed not to have #Edmilifandom not trending still, but thats yesterday's chip wrappers.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143

    Surely the story, if any, behind the "terrifying" Salmond video is that Salmond is still calling the shots (or he thinks he is) not Sturgeon?

    It might seem weird to us after decades of watching internecine warfare in the upper reaches of the Westminster political parties, but it appears as though the leading members of the SNP work together for the common goals of their party, rather than for their personal aggrandisement.

    What are they like? Don't they know how politics works?
  • SeanT said:

    Pulpstar said:

    SeanT said:

    Alex Salmond now trending on Twitter, at number 6.

    Every day this election focusses on Miliband=Sturgeon is another day lost for Labour.

    #WikiShappsFacts at #3

    And #Cameronettes at #2 mind.

    Ed will be dissapointed not to have #Edmilifandom not trending still, but thats yesterday's chip wrappers.
    I doubt 3% of Brits know who Shapps is, and about 3% of THEM care what he does on wikipedia.
    Judging by how often it's spelt "Schapps" even on here, I doubt that 3% even of PBers know who Grant "Schapps" is.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,546
    Pong said:

    antifrank said:

    The front pages of the tabloids will probably not be dominated by the election tomorrow.

    "This prosecution will take you into a world you wished did not exist."

    *Gulp*
    Pong said:

    antifrank said:

    The front pages of the tabloids will probably not be dominated by the election tomorrow.

    "This prosecution will take you into a world you wished did not exist."

    *Gulp*
    The sheer depravity beggars belief.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-32413502
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited April 2015
    I was just thinking about where Scottish voters have the clearest choice, if they want to cast an anti-snp tactical vote.

    Inverness, surely? You're either SNP, or you vote for danny boy.

    The problem, for danny boy, is that 50% are going to vote SNP. It might be tighter than the odds suggest - but he's still going to lose.
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092
    Pulpstar said:

    SeanT said:

    Alex Salmond now trending on Twitter, at number 6.

    Every day this election focusses on Miliband=Sturgeon is another day lost for Labour.

    #WikiShappsFacts at #3

    And #Cameronettes at #2 mind.

    Ed will be dissapointed not to have #Edmilifandom not trending still, but thats yesterday's chip wrappers.
    I'm seeing #milifandom top of the list
  • LadyBucketLadyBucket Posts: 590
    I thought it was interesting that Evan Davies asked EdM the other evening whether EdBalls was going to be his chancellor if he wins the election. I don't think his reply would have filled EdB with confidence. Perhaps this is EdM's revenge for being treated like the 'tea boy' when they were in the Brown government.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Halogen oven? Interesting. Will check it out. The best hob I ever had was ceramic glass gas - totally controllable and didn't zap. All black glass and sexy looking too.
    kle4 said:

    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:
    And it's very hard for Salmond to claim it is an obvious joke, given his record on this
    He seems to do a half chuckle about everything serious anyway - to show how laughable his opponent's positions are, I presume - so it wouldn't be that different from his serious words even if it is an obvious joke.
    Polruan said:

    Scott_P said:
    snip
    dr_spyn said:

    Plato said:

    Havng...

    Anorak said:

    Plato said:

    I've saoes too...

    TGOHF said:

    Plato said:

    OT C squeak.

    Jammon etc.
    Drter.
    Had that for lunch today about 2 hours ago - tend to bake it for 12-14 minutes.

    Though I also had a poached egg with my asparagus,


    I switched to a Halogen oven, which is a bit small for a big proper dinner, but for one-two people it works very well and I swear has improved many things compared to the gas oven.
    Carnyx said:

    Alistair said:

    TGOHF said:

    Eck's back

    @D

    httpc9e …

    o?
    I also don't see any PB Tory shock at the potentially personally offensive comments by Mr Cameron about Mr Salmond being a thief... it does show a certain mentality, and one that won't help the Tory revival in Scotland.
    snip
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    "Alex Salmond" is having a 'double trend' at the moment, with the Budget boast and the pickpocket remark.
  • JonCisBackJonCisBack Posts: 911

    Given 1992 seems to be 'in vogue' as the benchmark for this years election, here's some sobering facts for the Tories:

    - If Cameron does 'as well' as Major did in '92 (-40 Seats) He wont be Prime Minister.

    - If Miliband does 'as badly' as Kinnock did in '92 (+42 Seats) He will be Prime Minister.

    If Labour are plus 42 seats, they will have taken 80-90 off the Tories and Liberals
    If the Cons lose net 40, they'll have lost ca 60 to Labour,
    Your maths are wrong. To win most seats allowing for, say, 5 SLAB MPs to be saved, LAB needs to make 41 gains off CON assuming that both parties are equal in net terms from LD and UKIP battles.

    41 gains would put LAB on 263 and reduce CON to 262. Add on to that the net seats from LD/UKIP encounters with CON and LAB .

    LAB would get to 41 gains from CON on a theoretical 3.51% CON to LAB swing in England+Wales.
    That's a different equation Mike. For Labour to gain net 42 seats they will need to take about 80 off the Libs and Tories. I didn't say for Labour to be largest party now did I?
    Not correct. They won't. Every LAB gain from CON counts double in terms of plurality. LAB total up 1 CON total down 1 so gap moves by 2.

    No...

    He's saying to gain net 42, assume lose 40 to SNP --> need to gain 82 elsewhere. 82-40=42!

    Nothing to do with gaps or largest party
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    @plato steaming asparagus is alternative to baking it. Takes 5 minutes or so.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Schnapps shurely?

    SeanT said:

    Pulpstar said:

    SeanT said:

    Alex Salmond now trending on Twitter, at number 6.

    Every day this election focusses on Miliband=Sturgeon is another day lost for Labour.

    #WikiShappsFacts at #3

    And #Cameronettes at #2 mind.

    Ed will be dissapointed not to have #Edmilifandom not trending still, but thats yesterday's chip wrappers.
    I doubt 3% of Brits know who Shapps is, and about 3% of THEM care what he does on wikipedia.
    Judging by how often it's spelt "Schapps" even on here, I doubt that 3% even of PBers know who Grant "Schapps" is.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Jim Pickard ‏@PickardJE · 2m2 minutes ago
    For Tesco read Scottish Labour and vice-versa.


    Jim Pickard retweeted

    John McDermott ‏@johnpmcdermott · 1m1 minute ago
    @PickardJE For SNP read unidentified item in baggage area.

  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    Plato said:

    Schnapps shurely?

    SeanT said:

    Pulpstar said:

    SeanT said:

    Alex Salmond now trending on Twitter, at number 6.

    Every day this election focusses on Miliband=Sturgeon is another day lost for Labour.

    #WikiShappsFacts at #3

    And #Cameronettes at #2 mind.

    Ed will be dissapointed not to have #Edmilifandom not trending still, but thats yesterday's chip wrappers.
    I doubt 3% of Brits know who Shapps is, and about 3% of THEM care what he does on wikipedia.
    Judging by how often it's spelt "Schapps" even on here, I doubt that 3% even of PBers know who Grant "Schapps" is.
    It's spelt "Michael Green"
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,393
    edited April 2015
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-32381211
    In pictures: Nigeria's frog kebabs

    "Smoked frogs are a delicacy for some, but not all, Nigerians."

    If you want a bit of light relief from the other news on BBC (NB: no recommendation is offered as to its suitability with or without asparagus).
  • TGOHF said:

    Scott_P said:

    @bbcnickrobinson: Are you shocked or amused ? Was Alex Salmond boasting or joking when he he told an @SNP meeting "I’m writing the Labour Party Budget!”

    The clue is in whether Eck laughed - he laughs at all of his own jokes - a psychology student could probably expand on the reasons why.
    It was ment as a joke but it demonstrates the SNPs mindset
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,964
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Mr. F, that story's sickening.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Guido Fawkes retweeted
    Michael Crick ‏@MichaelLCrick 14m14 minutes ago
    New Shapps twist: Richard Symonds, Wikipedia adminstrator who blocked Contribsx, calls himself on Twitter "Liberal Democrat (to the last)"

    Dirty tricks from LDs...
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,393
    Plato said:

    Halogen oven? Interesting. Will check it out. The best hob I ever had was ceramic glass gas - totally controllable and didn't zap. All black glass and sexy looking too.

    kle4 said:

    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:
    And it's very hard for Salmond to claim it is an obvious joke, given his record on this
    He seems to do a half chuckle about everything serious anyway - to show how laughable his opponent's positions are, I presume - so it wouldn't be that different from his serious words even if it is an obvious joke.
    Polruan said:

    Scott_P said:
    snip
    dr_spyn said:

    Plato said:

    Havng...

    Anorak said:

    Plato said:

    I've saoes too...

    TGOHF said:

    Plato said:

    OT C squeak.

    Jammon etc.
    Drter.
    Had that for lunch today about 2 hours ago - tend to bake it for 12-14 minutes.

    Though I also had a poached egg with my asparagus,


    I switched to a Halogen oven, which is a bit small for a big proper dinner, but for one-two people it works very well and I swear has improved many things compared to the gas oven.
    Carnyx said:

    Alistair said:

    TGOHF said:

    Eck's back

    @D

    httpc9e …

    o?
    I also don't see any PB Tory shock at the potentially personally offensive comments by Mr Cameron about Mr Salmond being a thief... it does show a certain mentality, and one that won't help the Tory revival in Scotland.
    snip
    I seem to remember the Belgians bake asparagus with ham wrapped around it in a white sauce. Mind you that used the fatter white asparagus.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415

    Pulpstar said:

    SeanT said:

    Alex Salmond now trending on Twitter, at number 6.

    Every day this election focusses on Miliband=Sturgeon is another day lost for Labour.

    #WikiShappsFacts at #3

    And #Cameronettes at #2 mind.

    Ed will be dissapointed not to have #Edmilifandom not trending still, but thats yesterday's chip wrappers.
    I'm seeing #milifandom top of the list
    You'll only see that if you've allowed Twitter to profile you as a Labour bod. It's not trending.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,328
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32409253

    Sadly, it can only be a matter of time before people who attack Christians in the Middle East seek to do the same in Europe.

    I do think that the failure of our politicians in this election to say anything sensible about foreign policy, security, the terrorist threat and related issues is lamentable.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Never had frog - a friend is keen on pig's trotters - both I hear taste like chicken. Allegedly so do humans... this all seems a bit unlikely.
    Carnyx said:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-32381211
    In pictures: Nigeria's frog kebabs

    "Smoked frogs are a delicacy for some, but not all, Nigerians."

    If you want a bit of light relief from the other news on BBC (NB: no recommendation is offered as to its suitability with or without asparagus).

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    SeanT said:



    kle: "There's no potentially about it, those comments were personally offensive. Quite a funny quip mind, but certainly Mr Salmond should be offended. I take issue with the idea that making a quip about an opponent shows a certain mentality though. It was just a reactive, cruel quip. The bile spewing back and forth between the SNP and many in England is far more vicious and far more impactful, to entire segments of the population, than a mean jibe."




    Tish tish. They are all politicians, and all roundly disliked. There are plenty of Scots who violently loathe Salmond, probably more than any English people, who have not had to suffer his smugness.

    Likewise the English Left probably hate Cameron and Osborne more than the vast majority of Scots, as the UK government is now once removed from Scots affairs by Holyrood.

    Deep down the average English and the average Scots will rub along like grumbling brothers, much as they have always done.

    I hope so.

    I must say though Cameron does seem to do a fairly good line in cruel, funny jokes that don't sound too scripted. His 'It's not like we're brothers' line was one of the few PMQs lines that sticks in the memory.

    Not a skill he can readily use I suspect.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Carnyx said:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-32381211
    In pictures: Nigeria's frog kebabs

    "Smoked frogs are a delicacy for some, but not all, Nigerians."

    If you want a bit of light relief from the other news on BBC (NB: no recommendation is offered as to its suitability with or without asparagus).


    With garlic?

    Or lightly killed, and sealed in a succulent, Swiss, quintuple-smooth, treble-milk chocolate envelope, and lovingly frosted with glucose.

    http://www.montypython.net/scripts/crunchy.php
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,546

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Mr. F, that story's sickening.

    I remember some years ago, Sean T made some posts here about the things that were done to condemned women in the Roman Arena. There are members of our society who'd have loved it.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Oooh yummy! Will try that too. Fridge is heaving with all the required things too. What sort of white sauce? I associate that with Christmas pudding so assume it's another sort?! :astonished:
    Carnyx said:

    Plato said:

    Halogen oven? Interesting. Will check it out. The best hob I ever had was ceramic glass gas - totally controllable and didn't zap. All black glass and sexy looking too.

    kle4 said:

    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:
    And it's very hard for Salmond to claim it is an obvious joke, given his record on this
    He seems to do a half chuckle about everything serious anyway - to show how laughable his opponent's positions are, I presume - so it wouldn't be that different from his serious words even if it is an obvious joke.
    Polruan said:

    Scott_P said:
    snip
    dr_spyn said:

    Plato said:

    Havng...

    Anorak said:

    Plato said:

    I've saoes too...

    TGOHF said:

    Plato said:

    OT C squeak.

    Jammon etc.
    Drter.
    Had that for lunch today about 2 hours ago - tend to bake it for 12-14 minutes.

    Though I also had a poached egg with my asparagus,


    I switched to a Halogen oven, which is a bit small for a big proper dinner, but for one-two people it works very well and I swear has improved many things compared to the gas oven.
    Carnyx said:

    Alistair said:

    TGOHF said:

    Eck's back

    @D

    httpc9e …

    o?
    I also don't see any PB Tory shock at the potentially personally offensive comments by Mr Cameron about Mr Salmond being a thief... it does show a certain mentality, and one that won't help the Tory revival in Scotland.
    snip
    I seem to remember the Belgians bake asparagus with ham wrapped around it in a white sauce. Mind you that used the fatter white asparagus.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Sean_F said:

    Pong said:

    antifrank said:

    The front pages of the tabloids will probably not be dominated by the election tomorrow.

    "This prosecution will take you into a world you wished did not exist."

    *Gulp*
    Pong said:

    antifrank said:

    The front pages of the tabloids will probably not be dominated by the election tomorrow.

    "This prosecution will take you into a world you wished did not exist."

    *Gulp*
    The sheer depravity beggars belief.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-32413502
    Good Lord

    What to say?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,393
    Plato said:

    Oooh yummy! Will try that too. Fridge is heaving with all the required things too. What sort of white sauce? I associate that with Christmas pudding so assume it's another sort?! :astonished:

    Carnyx said:

    Plato said:

    Halogen oven? Interesting. Will check it out. The best hob I ever had was ceramic glass gas - totally controllable and didn't zap. All black glass and sexy looking too.

    kle4 said:

    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:
    And it's very hard for Salmond to claim it is an obvious joke, given his record on this
    He seems to do a half chuckle about everything serious anyway - to show how laughable his opponent's positions are, I presume - so it wouldn't be that different from his serious words even if it is an obvious joke.
    Polruan said:

    Scott_P said:
    snip
    dr_spyn said:

    Plato said:

    Havng...

    Anorak said:

    Plato said:

    I've saoes too...

    TGOHF said:

    Plato said:

    OT C squeak.

    Jammon etc.
    Drter.
    Had that for lunch today about 2 hours ago - tend to bake it for 12-14 minutes.

    Though I also had a poached egg with my asparagus,


    I switched to a Halogen oven, which is a bit small for a big proper dinner, but for one-two people it works very well and I swear has improved many things compared to the gas oven.
    Carnyx said:

    Alistair said:

    TGOHF said:

    Eck's back

    @D

    httpc9e …

    o?
    I also don't see any PB Tory shock at the potentially personally offensive comments by Mr Cameron about Mr Salmond being a thief... it does show a certain mentality, and one that won't help the Tory revival in Scotland.
    snip
    I seem to remember the Belgians bake asparagus with ham wrapped around it in a white sauce. Mind you that used the fatter white asparagus.
    The white sauce was a savoury not sweet one - not sure of the details. I'm going from memory of a Belgian lunch from long ago - but a quick google confirms that this is right, and will suggest some recipes for you for the white sauce.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591

    TGOHF said:

    Scott_P said:

    @bbcnickrobinson: Are you shocked or amused ? Was Alex Salmond boasting or joking when he he told an @SNP meeting "I’m writing the Labour Party Budget!”

    The clue is in whether Eck laughed - he laughs at all of his own jokes - a psychology student could probably expand on the reasons why.
    It was meant as a joke but it demonstrates the SNPs mindset
    I think the key is it it would not have been funny if the possibility of it being partly true were not present. 'I'm writing the Tory part budget' would not have been funny at all, as it would just be silly.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Anecdote alert. A friend of mine answered the door to a labour canvasser yesterday who asked who she would be voting for. She replied that she'd rather not say, the canvasser said:

    Well that's progress, everyone else round here says they're voting ukip.

    The point is nobody, whether within ukip, the media or other parties has a clue how ukip will do on May 7th.

    I think we can be pretty sure we will not have Farage as PM.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,328
    isam said:

    Sean_F said:

    Pong said:

    antifrank said:

    The front pages of the tabloids will probably not be dominated by the election tomorrow.

    "This prosecution will take you into a world you wished did not exist."

    *Gulp*
    Pong said:

    antifrank said:

    The front pages of the tabloids will probably not be dominated by the election tomorrow.

    "This prosecution will take you into a world you wished did not exist."

    *Gulp*
    The sheer depravity beggars belief.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-32413502
    Good Lord

    What to say?
    Let's hope they get life and that, in this case, life really does mean life.

  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    murali_s said:

    MaxPB said:

    SMukesh said:

    Tories and SNP playing a mutually beneficial game.MILI needs to rule out a deal with SNO

    He can't because that would basically end any chance of him becoming PM. Without SNP support there is no way he can make it into No. 10.
    It all depends on the numbers - if Labour get 290 and the LDs get 30 - that's the basis of a Government with EICIPM.
    Lab + LD + SNP = 375 seats ? Leaves the Cons on 210 ? Not sure if serious.

  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Ukip leader Nigel Farage tells The Telegraph: 'I was thinking of packing up in 2035'
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,328
    Plato said:

    Oooh yummy! Will try that too. Fridge is heaving with all the required things too. What sort of white sauce? I associate that with Christmas pudding so assume it's another sort?! :astonished:

    Carnyx said:

    Plato said:

    Halogen oven? Interesting. Will check it out. The best hob I ever had was ceramic glass gas - totally controllable and didn't zap. All black glass and sexy looking too.

    kle4 said:

    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:
    And it's very hard for Salmond to claim it is an obvious joke, given his record on this
    He seems to do a half chuckle about everything serious anyway - to show how laughable his opponent's positions are, I presume - so it wouldn't be that different from his serious words even if it is an obvious joke.
    Polruan said:

    Scott_P said:
    snip
    dr_spyn said:

    Plato said:

    Havng...

    Anorak said:

    Plato said:

    I've saoes too...

    TGOHF said:

    Plato said:

    OT C squeak.

    Jammon etc.
    Drter.
    Had that for lunch today about 2 hours ago - tend to bake it for 12-14 minutes.

    Though I also had a poached egg with my asparagus,


    I switched to a Halogen oven, which is a bit small for a big proper dinner, but for one-two people it works very well and I swear has improved many things compared to the gas oven.
    Carnyx said:

    Alistair said:

    TGOHF said:

    Eck's back

    @D

    httpc9e …

    o?
    I also don't see any PB Tory shock at the potentially personally offensive comments by Mr Cameron about Mr Salmond being a thief... it does show a certain mentality, and one that won't help the Tory revival in Scotland.
    snip
    I seem to remember the Belgians bake asparagus with ham wrapped around it in a white sauce. Mind you that used the fatter white asparagus.
    A nice bechamel sauce. Or if you wanted something lighter a hollandaise sauce is nice. Mind you, fresh asparagus is lovely just steamed with some warm butter and a bit of salt.

  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,393
    dr_spyn said:

    Carnyx said:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-32381211
    In pictures: Nigeria's frog kebabs

    "Smoked frogs are a delicacy for some, but not all, Nigerians."

    If you want a bit of light relief from the other news on BBC (NB: no recommendation is offered as to its suitability with or without asparagus).


    With garlic?

    Or lightly killed, and sealed in a succulent, Swiss, quintuple-smooth, treble-milk chocolate envelope, and lovingly frosted with glucose.

    http://www.montypython.net/scripts/crunchy.php
    A colleague of mine, as I recall, brought some chocolate covered ants to the office. But he is an entomologist.

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Channel 4 will shut down E4 on the day of the general election, pulling the plug on a schedule including hit US comedies The Big Bang Theory and How I Met Your Mother, in a bid to encourage more young people to vote.

    Viewers tuning in on 7 May will see “Darren”, the man responsible for keeping E4 on air, manning the control room in place of its regular programming.

    The first time in the UK a channel has closed down to encourage people to vote, a pre-election marketing campaign will tell viewers: “How many times have you missed life-changing events because you wanted to watch your favourite show?

    “May 7 is election day and Darren is going to turn E4 off so you might as well go and vote. You won’t forget will you Darren?”
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2015/apr/22/election-2015-live-labour-to-pledge-150m-for-better-nhs-cancer-diagnosis
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    SeanT said:

    Sean_F said:

    Pong said:

    antifrank said:

    The front pages of the tabloids will probably not be dominated by the election tomorrow.

    "This prosecution will take you into a world you wished did not exist."

    *Gulp*
    Pong said:

    antifrank said:

    The front pages of the tabloids will probably not be dominated by the election tomorrow.

    "This prosecution will take you into a world you wished did not exist."

    *Gulp*
    The sheer depravity beggars belief.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-32413502
    Again, I find myself contemplating the idea of capital punishment. We can slaughter innocent people from afar with bombs. But we cannot hang men like this. There is no logic.
    That's what I thought as well.. but too many people on here will defend their right to something or the other, and I cant really be bothered getting into that argument again
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    isam said:

    Sean_F said:

    Pong said:

    antifrank said:

    The front pages of the tabloids will probably not be dominated by the election tomorrow.

    "This prosecution will take you into a world you wished did not exist."

    *Gulp*
    Pong said:

    antifrank said:

    The front pages of the tabloids will probably not be dominated by the election tomorrow.

    "This prosecution will take you into a world you wished did not exist."

    *Gulp*
    The sheer depravity beggars belief.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-32413502
    Good Lord

    What to say?
    Was it a jury trial ?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,964
    Mr. F, I've read about some of that. It belongs in the distant past (as does ISIS and their ilk).
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Scott_P said:

    Channel 4 will shut down E4 on the day of the general election, pulling the plug on a schedule including hit US comedies The Big Bang Theory and How I Met Your Mother, in a bid to encourage more young people to vote.

    Viewers tuning in on 7 May will see “Darren”, the man responsible for keeping E4 on air, manning the control room in place of its regular programming.

    The first time in the UK a channel has closed down to encourage people to vote, a pre-election marketing campaign will tell viewers: “How many times have you missed life-changing events because you wanted to watch your favourite show?

    “May 7 is election day and Darren is going to turn E4 off so you might as well go and vote. You won’t forget will you Darren?”
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2015/apr/22/election-2015-live-labour-to-pledge-150m-for-better-nhs-cancer-diagnosis

    That's quite a nice idea
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    TGOHF said:

    murali_s said:

    MaxPB said:

    SMukesh said:

    Tories and SNP playing a mutually beneficial game.MILI needs to rule out a deal with SNO

    He can't because that would basically end any chance of him becoming PM. Without SNP support there is no way he can make it into No. 10.
    It all depends on the numbers - if Labour get 290 and the LDs get 30 - that's the basis of a Government with EICIPM.
    Lab + LD + SNP = 375 seats ? Leaves the Cons on 210 ? Not sure if serious.

    Labour will have saved about 15 seats in Scotland if they get anywhere near 290
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited April 2015
    Cyclefree said:

    isam said:

    Sean_F said:

    Pong said:

    antifrank said:

    The front pages of the tabloids will probably not be dominated by the election tomorrow.

    "This prosecution will take you into a world you wished did not exist."

    *Gulp*
    Pong said:

    antifrank said:

    The front pages of the tabloids will probably not be dominated by the election tomorrow.

    "This prosecution will take you into a world you wished did not exist."

    *Gulp*
    The sheer depravity beggars belief.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-32413502
    Good Lord

    What to say?
    Let's hope they get life and that, in this case, life really does mean life.
    Let's hope they're put into the prison's general population. Even if they aren't I suspect every meal they have will be contaminated with bodily substances.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I prefer hollandaise - this has whetted my whistle. :yum:
    Cyclefree said:

    Plato said:

    Oooh yummy! Will try that too. Fridge is heaving with all the required things too. What sort of white sauce? I associate that with Christmas pudding so assume it's another sort?! :astonished:

    Carnyx said:

    Plato said:

    Halogen oven? Interesting. Will check it out. The best hob I ever had was ceramic glass gas - totally controllable and didn't zap. All black glass and sexy looking too.

    kle4 said:

    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:
    And it's very hard for Salmond to claim it is an obvious joke, given his record on this
    He seems to do a half chuckle about everything serious anyway - to show how laughable his opponent's positions are, I presume - so it wouldn't be that different from his serious words even if it is an obvious joke.
    Polruan said:

    Scott_P said:
    snip
    dr_spyn said:

    Plato said:

    Havng...

    Anorak said:

    Plato said:

    I've saoes too...

    TGOHF said:

    Plato said:

    OT C squeak.

    Jammon etc.
    Drter.
    Had that for lunch today about 2 hours ago - tend to bake it for 12-14 minutes.

    Though I also had a poached egg with my asparagus,


    I switched to a Halogen oven, which is a bit small for a big proper dinner, but for one-two people it works very well and I swear has improved many things compared to the gas oven.
    Carnyx said:

    Alistair said:

    TGOHF said:

    Eck's back

    @D

    httpc9e …

    o?
    I also don't see any PB Tory shock at the potentially personally offensive comments by Mr Cameron about Mr Salmond being a thief... it does show a certain mentality, and one that won't help the Tory revival in Scotland.
    snip
    I seem to remember the Belgians bake asparagus with ham wrapped around it in a white sauce. Mind you that used the fatter white asparagus.
    A nice bechamel sauce. Or if you wanted something lighter a hollandaise sauce is nice. Mind you, fresh asparagus is lovely just steamed with some warm butter and a bit of salt.

  • It is just amazing that at the exact moment the Alex Salmond video is released so is "Boris'. Been interviewed by Kay Burley featuring the video, and now with Norman Smith on the BBC again with the video. As this will be repeated on the hour on both channels for the rest of the day and the print media will also be all over it, though maybe not the Guardian, this is a disaster for labour who again are not in control of the headlines
  • SchardsSchards Posts: 210
    The coverage for Labour's NHS week has just been relentless

    Anyway, isn't it still Labour's NHS millennium at the moment?
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    WTF? They'll watch BBC3 or Spike or C5 or Tru [insert pulp tv channel] instead.
    Scott_P said:

    Channel 4 will shut down E4 on the day of the general election, pulling the plug on a schedule including hit US comedies The Big Bang Theory and How I Met Your Mother, in a bid to encourage more young people to vote.

    Viewers tuning in on 7 May will see “Darren”, the man responsible for keeping E4 on air, manning the control room in place of its regular programming.

    The first time in the UK a channel has closed down to encourage people to vote, a pre-election marketing campaign will tell viewers: “How many times have you missed life-changing events because you wanted to watch your favourite show?

    “May 7 is election day and Darren is going to turn E4 off so you might as well go and vote. You won’t forget will you Darren?”
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2015/apr/22/election-2015-live-labour-to-pledge-150m-for-better-nhs-cancer-diagnosis

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    Cameron is lucky that Alex Salmond isn't of gypsy or Romanian heritage.

    #Justsayin' ;)
  • Spousal anecdote (in likely big SNP win seat) alert

    The wife was intending to vote Tory, but was so unimpressed by their leaflet ('I don't want any of this **** they are trying to impress me with') that she started going through the manifestos online.

    UKIP - Really likes some of the policies (including non-VAT on sanitary products and attitude towards homeschooling) but disagrees fundamentally on immigration and defence [not far off my opinion but I'll take those in return for certain constitutional positions and the other parties don't have coherent immigration policies anyway]

    Tory - 'This is creepy! They have a plan for my whole life!'

    LibDem - 'What's the point in being halfway between Labour and the Tories?'

    SNP - Likes a lot of their stuff but disapproves of their economic stance. Likes the idea that Labour hate them. Er, yeah, but have you been watching the news lately dear?

    She didn't look at the Labour manifesto.

    Now she is pondering not voting or spoiling her ballot paper....
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092
    Huh, I just watched the video of Clegg making fun of Shapps. The reporting of this didn't mention how horribly poor his delivery was.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I watched the Strangeways riot doc the other day - it was vicious. Sex offenders had no mercy.

    bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02n7ffp
    Anorak said:

    Cyclefree said:

    isam said:

    Sean_F said:

    Pong said:

    antifrank said:

    The front pages of the tabloids will probably not be dominated by the election tomorrow.

    "This prosecution will take you into a world you wished did not exist."

    *Gulp*
    Pong said:

    antifrank said:

    The front pages of the tabloids will probably not be dominated by the election tomorrow.

    "This prosecution will take you into a world you wished did not exist."

    *Gulp*
    The sheer depravity beggars belief.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-32413502
    Good Lord

    What to say?
    Let's hope they get life and that, in this case, life really does mean life.
    Let's hope they're put into the prison's general population. Even if they aren't I suspect every meal they have will be contaminated with bodily substances.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415

    Spousal anecdote (in likely big SNP win seat) alert

    The wife was intending to vote Tory, but was so unimpressed by their leaflet ('I don't want any of this **** they are trying to impress me with') that she started going through the manifestos online.

    UKIP - Really likes some of the policies (including non-VAT on sanitary products and attitude towards homeschooling) but disagrees fundamentally on immigration and defence [not far off my opinion but I'll take those in return for certain constitutional positions and the other parties don't have coherent immigration policies anyway]

    Tory - 'This is creepy! They have a plan for my whole life!'

    LibDem - 'What's the point in being halfway between Labour and the Tories?'

    SNP - Likes a lot of their stuff but disapproves of their economic stance. Likes the idea that Labour hate them. Er, yeah, but have you been watching the news lately dear?

    She didn't look at the Labour manifesto.

    Now she is pondering not voting or spoiling her ballot paper....

    Which seat :) ?
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Stephen Gilbert must be glad that Top Gear can't do this to him.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmT1jXKEwQU
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited April 2015
    Cleggars GE2010 PEB is the best - for many reasons

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEYMIaq0GgM

    Huh, I just watched the video of Clegg making fun of Shapps. The reporting of this didn't mention how horribly poor his delivery was.

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,964
    Morley & Outwood postal update [I know you're all super-interested]:
    In recent days I've had two letters from Balls
    A general leaflet from UKIP
    A faux newspaper from the Greens
    Oddly, nothing from the Conservatives (I have had a fair amount from them in the past, and expect more ahead of the election)
    Nothing from the Lib Dems, BNP [they did well here last time] or Yorkshire First
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    edited April 2015
    @Plato

    It's the start that is the killer -

    Say goodbye to broken promises; No tuition fees.

    I mean we all know politicians are less than 100% with the truth, but it was the massive play made of being honest with the electorate that has seen them go sub 10%.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Not so long ago one of the PB guardianistas said Ukip wouldn't be sending activists to Thurrock or helping Tim Aker much...

    Here's a tweet from a full time Thurrock activist

    Dan Jukes (@DanJukes17)
    22/04/2015 14:47
    The local paper @ThurrockGazette makes essential reading once again this week pic.twitter.com/IMBfjjaCdh
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091

    Morley & Outwood postal update [I know you're all super-interested]:
    In recent days I've had two letters from Balls
    A general leaflet from UKIP
    A faux newspaper from the Greens
    Oddly, nothing from the Conservatives (I have had a fair amount from them in the past, and expect more ahead of the election)
    Nothing from the Lib Dems, BNP [they did well here last time] or Yorkshire First

    Do you sense that Balls is safe?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415

    Morley & Outwood postal update [I know you're all super-interested]:
    In recent days I've had two letters from Balls
    A general leaflet from UKIP
    A faux newspaper from the Greens
    Oddly, nothing from the Conservatives (I have had a fair amount from them in the past, and expect more ahead of the election)
    Nothing from the Lib Dems, BNP [they did well here last time] or Yorkshire First

    Natashca has mailed me more than Lee. Labour putting in the effort in their Northern strongholds like never before lol.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    How refreshing to see a Smithson thread on how the Tories are doomed and Labour will do better than expected. I'll bet it chimes with what Nick is hearing on the doorstep in Broxtowe too.

    I'm holding out for a 'The LibDems face destruction on May 7th' thread.
    Don't hold your breath - the Lib Dems are winning here....and have bar charts to prove it.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,964
    Mr. 565, I think he'll win, but safe is overdoing it.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    edited April 2015
    SeanT said:

    Sean_F said:

    Pong said:

    antifrank said:

    The front pages of the tabloids will probably not be dominated by the election tomorrow.

    "This prosecution will take you into a world you wished did not exist."

    *Gulp*
    Pong said:

    antifrank said:

    The front pages of the tabloids will probably not be dominated by the election tomorrow.

    "This prosecution will take you into a world you wished did not exist."

    *Gulp*
    The sheer depravity beggars belief.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-32413502
    Again, I find myself contemplating the idea of capital punishment. We can slaughter innocent people from afar with bombs. But we cannot hang men like this. There is no logic.
    Sean think of it as Death By Prison. Actually ending a convicted felon's life I have decided is not on as there is always a significantly non-zero chance of being wrong (I used to be pro hanging). Now I feel that if you take away the key forever you merely give them a period of pain/unhappiness/remorse/hopelessness to suffer from before an inevitable actual death whilst still in prison. From a punishment perspective this is perhaps worse. Hindley, Sutcliffe, Shipman, etc - their lives are already over. They merely await the final medical event. I hope they are unhappy (the fucking bastards). That's what punishment for such crimes is about. But...the KEY point is that where for some crimes we might have previously given a death sentence we must now ensure there is absolutely no possibility of release ever. Otherwise they can hope. It IS a death sentence. The method of execution - rotting forever in a hopeless shitty cell until they croak.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    TBH, I spent the entire PEB wondering if the leaflets were CGI'd or not. And if not, who picked them all up.

    The message is a total killer for anyone with two braincells to shout LIAR!!!!

    If only Cleggers hadn't had his team vote for it in the end. IIRC the Tories could've pushed it through on their own. St Vince dilly-dallying about his own policy recommendation just added grist to the mill.
    Pulpstar said:

    @Plato

    It's the start that is the killer -

    Say goodbye to broken promises; No tuition fees.

    I mean we all know politicians are less than 100% with the truth, but it was the massive play made of being honest with the electorate that has seen them go sub 10%.

  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983


    Nothing from the ... BNP [they did well here last time]

    The BNP arent standing there.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,149
    edited April 2015
    SeanT said:

    Sean_F said:

    Pong said:

    antifrank said:

    The front pages of the tabloids will probably not be dominated by the election tomorrow.

    "This prosecution will take you into a world you wished did not exist."

    *Gulp*
    Pong said:

    antifrank said:

    The front pages of the tabloids will probably not be dominated by the election tomorrow.

    "This prosecution will take you into a world you wished did not exist."

    *Gulp*
    The sheer depravity beggars belief.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-32413502
    Again, I find myself contemplating the idea of capital punishment. We can slaughter innocent people from afar with bombs. But we cannot hang men like this. There is no logic.
    Why do you think somebody against the death penalty would be in favour of "slaughtering innocent people from afar"?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,964
    Mr. Neil, blimey. Well, that explains their lack of activity. Bit surprised.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,149
    Floater said:

    How refreshing to see a Smithson thread on how the Tories are doomed and Labour will do better than expected. I'll bet it chimes with what Nick is hearing on the doorstep in Broxtowe too.

    I'm holding out for a 'The LibDems face destruction on May 7th' thread.
    Don't hold your breath - the Lib Dems are winning here....and have bar charts to prove it.
    I used that as the inspiration for this:

    https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/588025567427043330

    :lol:
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983

    Mr. Neil, blimey. Well, that explains their lack of activity. Bit surprised.

    The BNP has imploded since 2010. I'm surprised you're surprised.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Patrick said:

    SeanT said:

    Sean_F said:

    Pong said:

    antifrank said:

    The front pages of the tabloids will probably not be dominated by the election tomorrow.

    "This prosecution will take you into a world you wished did not exist."

    *Gulp*
    Pong said:

    antifrank said:

    The front pages of the tabloids will probably not be dominated by the election tomorrow.

    "This prosecution will take you into a world you wished did not exist."

    *Gulp*
    The sheer depravity beggars belief.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-32413502
    Again, I find myself contemplating the idea of capital punishment. We can slaughter innocent people from afar with bombs. But we cannot hang men like this. There is no logic.
    Sean think of it as Death By Prison. Actually ending a convicted felon's life I have decided is not on as there is always a significantly non-zero chance of being wrong (I used to be pro hanging). Now I feel that if you take away the key forever you merely give them a period of pain/unhappiness/remorse/hopelessness to suffer from before an inevitable actual death whilst still in prison. From a punishment perspective this is perhaps worse. Hindley, Sutcliffe, Shipman, etc - their lives are already over. They merely await the final medical event. I hope they are unhappy (the fucking bastards). That's what punishment for such crimes is about. But...they KEY point is that where for some crimes we might have previously given a death sentence we must now ensure there is absolutely no possibility of release ever. Otherwise they can hope. It IS a death sentence. The method of execution - rotting forever in a hopeless shitty cell until they croak.
    Something more than life imprisonment is needed.

    As per my suggestion for the beheaders of Lee Rigby, baseball bats to the head and body as a wake up call every morning seems fair
  • LestuhLestuh Posts: 50
    isam said:

    BenM said:

    BenM said:

    FPT:



    A grammar school in every town will also help.

    No it wouldn't.
    It wouldn't if your objective is not to raise social mobility or give bright working class kids a chance to get on.

    Race to the bottom, you win.
    Try to understand that all the research shows that Grammars rig the system against poor kids and so stifle mobility.
    Look at the number of kids from state schools at Oxbridge when Grammars were prevalent compared to before and after
    It increased substantially both when the number of grammar schools were reduced and when they were more-or-less discontinued.

    http://www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/sn00616.pdf
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143

    Morley & Outwood postal update [I know you're all super-interested]:
    In recent days I've had two letters from Balls
    A general leaflet from UKIP
    A faux newspaper from the Greens
    Oddly, nothing from the Conservatives (I have had a fair amount from them in the past, and expect more ahead of the election)
    Nothing from the Lib Dems, BNP [they did well here last time] or Yorkshire First

    It doesn't look like you have a BNP candidate this time. I think I read that they were only standing 8 (eight) candidates this time.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,313

    SeanT said:

    Sean_F said:

    Pong said:

    antifrank said:

    The front pages of the tabloids will probably not be dominated by the election tomorrow.

    "This prosecution will take you into a world you wished did not exist."

    *Gulp*
    Pong said:

    antifrank said:

    The front pages of the tabloids will probably not be dominated by the election tomorrow.

    "This prosecution will take you into a world you wished did not exist."

    *Gulp*
    The sheer depravity beggars belief.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-32413502
    Again, I find myself contemplating the idea of capital punishment. We can slaughter innocent people from afar with bombs. But we cannot hang men like this. There is no logic.
    Why do you think somebody against the death penalty would be in favour of "slaughtering innocent people from afar"?
    Blair bombed Iraq, Cameron Libya

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,964
    Mr. Neil, I know it's imploded, but I thought it was in a Black Knight state of affairs, rather than a dead parrot.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,964
    Mr. Me, cheers for that link. The UKIP rise is probably bad for the blues, but the Greens and Yorkshire First (alas) are likely to take more leftwing votes. Lib Dem collapse means 8k votes flying away, and that will probably help Balls over the line.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983

    Mr. Neil, I know it's imploded, but I thought it was in a Black Knight state of affairs, rather than a dead parrot.

    From 339 candidates in 2010 to 8 now. Lost about 90% of its membership. For all intents and purposes the party doesnt exist any more.
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