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An analysis of data from the UK’s longest-running study of electoral behaviour has revealed how the bulk of UKIP’s support surprisingly comes from professional and managerial middle classes.
Anecdote alert. A friend of mine answered the door to a labour canvasser yesterday who asked who she would be voting for. She replied that she'd rather not say, the canvasser said:
Well that's progress, everyone else round here says they're voting ukip.
The point is nobody, whether within ukip, the media or other parties has a clue how ukip will do on May 7th.
I know of one well regarded school in South Bucks that is so fed up with boys struggling to adapt because they were not bright enough to pass the 11+ without their parents spending a fortune on coaching that they are bringing in their own entrance exam.
As I said my youngest granddaughter has just passed, in her class three boys passed with the aid of huge coaching. These boys are going to the aforementioned school, have never been in the top group in any subject in all their time at primary school, and will struggle big time when they move up.
My next grandson takes his 11+ in a couple of years and I cannot see him passing, what is the point of coaching your kids to pass an exam that sends them to a school they will struggle at and be unhappy?
Much as I love grammar schools the coaching aspect is an issue, and one that seems to be being addressed by individual schools setting their own entrance exams.
I know of one well regarded school in South Bucks that is so fed up with boys struggling to adapt because they were not bright enough to pass the 11+ without their parents spending a fortune on coaching that they are bringing in their own entrance exam.
As I said my youngest granddaughter has just passed, in her class three boys passed with the aid of huge coaching. These boys are going to the aforementioned school, have never been in the top group in any subject in all their time at primary school, and will struggle big time when they move up.
My next grandson takes his 11+ in a couple of years and I cannot see him passing, what is the point of coaching your kids to pass an exam that sends them to a school they will struggle at and be unhappy?
Much as I love grammar schools the coaching aspect is an issue, and one that seems to be being addressed by individual schools setting their own entrance exams.
A grammar school in every town will also help.
Ilford still has a Grammar School each for boys and girls. I went to the boys' school, natch.
Anecdote alert. A friend of mine answered the door to a labour canvasser yesterday who asked who she would be voting for. She replied that she'd rather not say, the canvasser said:
Well that's progress, everyone else round here says they're voting ukip.
The point is nobody, whether within ukip, the media or other parties has a clue how ukip will do on May 7th.
What did you make of Lord Ashcroft's poll in Dover showing UKIP a distant third?
If it is true that the bulk of UKIP’s support surprisingly comes from professional and managerial middle classes, then be prepared for UKIP to take a larger % of the vote than the polls suggest.
Very few professionals would admit to supporting UKIP in a poll as it would be career suicide, even if you are a foster parent in Rotherham.
Anecdote alert. A friend of mine answered the door to a labour canvasser yesterday who asked who she would be voting for. She replied that she'd rather not say, the canvasser said:
Well that's progress, everyone else round here says they're voting ukip.
The point is nobody, whether within ukip, the media or other parties has a clue how ukip will do on May 7th.
What did you make of Lord Ashcroft's poll in Dover showing UKIP a distant third?
Naturally it was disappointing, I know for a fact that both labour and the tories were very surprised by it. The figures were miles away from the canvassing results of all 3 parties and those in the local press.
Coaching/tutoring for the 11+ is an established industry in Kent.
It is in Bucks too, one of the boys parents spent £6,000 on coaching.
My granddaughter did some test papers, didn't get the required pass mark as she blew it on the day, but got in on the headmistress' strong recommendation.
That doesn't really chime with their results in the local elections last year, where they made progress in traditional Labour heartlands.
Performance in a local election turnout of of 20 odd % is not evidence of a future good performance in a GE turnout of 60 odd % especially in Labour strongholds .
Coaching/tutoring for the 11+ is an established industry in Kent.
It is in Bucks too, one of the boys parents spent £6,000 on coaching.
My granddaughter did some test papers, didn't get the required pass mark as she blew it on the day, but got in on the headmistress' strong recommendation.
In Bucks I have seen the council pay for coaching for some of the disadvantaged children taking the exam to level up the playing field. don't have a problem with that either.
How refreshing to see a Smithson thread on how the Tories are doomed and Labour will do better than expected. I'll bet it chimes with what Nick is hearing on the doorstep in Broxtowe too.
Anecdote alert. A friend of mine answered the door to a labour canvasser yesterday who asked who she would be voting for. She replied that she'd rather not say, the canvasser said:
Well that's progress, everyone else round here says they're voting ukip.
The point is nobody, whether within ukip, the media or other parties has a clue how ukip will do on May 7th.
What did you make of Lord Ashcroft's poll in Dover showing UKIP a distant third?
Naturally it was disappointing, I know for a fact that both labour and the tories were very surprised by it. The figures were miles away from the canvassing results of all 3 parties and those in the local press.
Anecdote alert. A friend of mine answered the door to a labour canvasser yesterday who asked who she would be voting for. She replied that she'd rather not say, the canvasser said:
Well that's progress, everyone else round here says they're voting ukip.
The point is nobody, whether within ukip, the media or other parties has a clue how ukip will do on May 7th.
What did you make of Lord Ashcroft's poll in Dover showing UKIP a distant third?
I was genuinely surprised to see how big the Conservative lead over Labour was in that seat.
If the Ashcroft poll were to be repeated on the day, that would mean a UKIP vote of c.10,000. It's possible that in this seat, more have come from Labour than the Conservatives, in which case the canvasser's pessimism would be justified.
How refreshing to see a Smithson thread on how the Tories are doomed and Labour will do better than expected. I'll bet it chimes with what Nick is hearing on the doorstep in Broxtowe too.
Very few professionals would admit to supporting UKIP in a poll as it would be career suicide
Can you talk us through the process from clicking on the UKIP option in the you gov survey to being denied a promotion opportunity at work?
I wouldn't trust You Gov not to pass on my information.
Wow.
And you obviously wouldnt trust your employer not to discriminate against you based on your political beliefs.
So little trust.
I'd have thought kippers wouldn't care as they are a completely legit party. Anything else would suggest some kippers themselves think the party they support is a bit 'out there'. I mean there is no suggestion your average kippers figurine panini immigrant sticker book has all the white Christian teams filled in first. Or anything similar.
How refreshing to see a Smithson thread on how the Tories are doomed and Labour will do better than expected. I'll bet it chimes with what Nick is hearing on the doorstep in Broxtowe too.
I'm holding out for a 'The LibDems face destruction on May 7th' thread.
And the Labour leader Ed Miliband made a hugely useful contribution with a tweet saying that the people who died were among the poorest in the world and something should be done. I suppose if they had been moderately affluent it would have been less of a tragedy, Ed, you halfwit. Again, with Hodges and Miliband and the ludicrous Izzy Saunders, the response was all about infantile attitudinalising, nothing more than a wish to tell everybody else that they care more than every-body else and that therefore they are right.
Here’s the deal. There are two ways in which we can act to prevent future boatloads of migrants from drowning in the Mediterranean, and only two ways. Let them all in, or stop them trying to come.
I really dislike all the Something Must Be Done crowd - who don't actually do anything bar demanding sacking someone whose opinions they don't like. How completely self-righteous and pointless.
If it is true that the bulk of UKIP’s support surprisingly comes from professional and managerial middle classes, then be prepared for UKIP to take a larger % of the vote than the polls suggest.
Very few professionals would admit to supporting UKIP in a poll as it would be career suicide, even if you are a foster parent in Rotherham.
Mr Goodwin tweeted a link to the original article the other day.
How refreshing to see a Smithson thread on how the Tories are doomed and Labour will do better than expected. I'll bet it chimes with what Nick is hearing on the doorstep in Broxtowe too.
I'm holding out for a 'The LibDems face destruction on May 7th' thread.
No, I think we need to be honest and all cheerlead a Lib Dems to hold at least 55 and make large gains at local elections thread.
And the Labour leader Ed Miliband made a hugely useful contribution with a tweet saying that the people who died were among the poorest in the world and something should be done. I suppose if they had been moderately affluent it would have been less of a tragedy, Ed, you halfwit. Again, with Hodges and Miliband and the ludicrous Izzy Saunders, the response was all about infantile attitudinalising, nothing more than a wish to tell everybody else that they care more than every-body else and that therefore they are right.
Here’s the deal. There are two ways in which we can act to prevent future boatloads of migrants from drowning in the Mediterranean, and only two ways. Let them all in, or stop them trying to come.
I really dislike all the Something Must Be Done crowd - who don't actually do anything bar demanding sacking someone whose opinions they don't like. How completely self-righteous and pointless.
Any odds available on Bez.?He did win the channel 4 house thing.He has the ability to cut through on fracking and make a national statement on fracking.
And the Labour leader Ed Miliband made a hugely useful contribution with a tweet saying that the people who died were among the poorest in the world and something should be done. I suppose if they had been moderately affluent it would have been less of a tragedy, Ed, you halfwit. Again, with Hodges and Miliband and the ludicrous Izzy Saunders, the response was all about infantile attitudinalising, nothing more than a wish to tell everybody else that they care more than every-body else and that therefore they are right.
Here’s the deal. There are two ways in which we can act to prevent future boatloads of migrants from drowning in the Mediterranean, and only two ways. Let them all in, or stop them trying to come.
I really dislike all the Something Must Be Done crowd - who don't actually do anything bar demanding sacking someone whose opinions they don't like. How completely self-righteous and pointless.
"Something must be done" gave us the Iraq War.
HMS Farage could sail out and pick up any floating Christians and put all the others on some sort of barge with homing instincts
Coaching/tutoring for the 11+ is an established industry in Kent.
It is in Bucks too, one of the boys parents spent £6,000 on coaching.
My granddaughter did some test papers, didn't get the required pass mark as she blew it on the day, but got in on the headmistress' strong recommendation.
Here’s the deal. There are two ways in which we can act to prevent future boatloads of migrants from drowning in the Mediterranean, and only two ways. Let them all in, or stop them trying to come.
Or maybe some kind of search and rescue operations.
How refreshing to see a Smithson thread on how the Tories are doomed and Labour will do better than expected. I'll bet it chimes with what Nick is hearing on the doorstep in Broxtowe too.
I'm holding out for a 'The LibDems face destruction on May 7th' thread.
No, I think we need to be honest and all cheerlead a Lib Dems to hold at least 55 and make large gains at local elections thread.
I've just stuck more money against the Lib Dems where there has been no "Smithson warning" to be honest.
This means the Taunton Deane stake is larger than the Pompey South one.
Very few professionals would admit to supporting UKIP in a poll as it would be career suicide
Can you talk us through the process from clicking on the UKIP option in the you gov survey to being denied a promotion opportunity at work?
I wouldn't trust You Gov not to pass on my information.
Wow.
And you obviously wouldnt trust your employer not to discriminate against you based on your political beliefs.
So little trust.
Rotherham Social Services discriminated against the foster parents for their political beliefs did they not?
Tbf it was the foster parents' own fault for recklessly responding to you gov surveys with details of their political affiliation.
Actually the situation occurred due to certain YouGov respondees misremembering their 2010 affiliation. Rotherham social services rightly concluded this might mean they were unable to remember if they had placed the child in a hay thresher, or in the hands of a grooming gang that was not on the approved groomers list.
Very few professionals would admit to supporting UKIP in a poll as it would be career suicide
Can you talk us through the process from clicking on the UKIP option in the you gov survey to being denied a promotion opportunity at work?
I wouldn't trust You Gov not to pass on my information.
I've heard that the Spooks are studying photographs from Kipper hustings using secret Fish-Head facial analysis software, as part of the Smokehouse programme. Be afraid.
How refreshing to see a Smithson thread on how the Tories are doomed and Labour will do better than expected. I'll bet it chimes with what Nick is hearing on the doorstep in Broxtowe too.
I'm holding out for a 'The LibDems face destruction on May 7th' thread.
No, I think we need to be honest and all cheerlead a Lib Dems to hold at least 55 and make large gains at local elections thread.
I've just stuck more money against the Lib Dems where there has been no "Smithson warning" to be honest.
This means the Taunton Deane stake is larger than the Pompey South one.
Norfolk North will be rather closer than the stats suggest. Lamb hold, but not by much.
One immediate take from the Evans/Mellon piece is that in seats where the Labour vote fell in the New Labour years 1997+, those voters should transfer to UKIP.
This also supports Mr Smithson's theory of turnout returning to 70%+
Very few professionals would admit to supporting UKIP in a poll as it would be career suicide
Can you talk us through the process from clicking on the UKIP option in the you gov survey to being denied a promotion opportunity at work?
I wouldn't trust You Gov not to pass on my information.
Wow.
And you obviously wouldnt trust your employer not to discriminate against you based on your political beliefs.
So little trust.
Rotherham Social Services discriminated against the foster parents for their political beliefs did they not?
Tbf it was the foster parents' own fault for recklessly responding to you gov surveys with details of their political affiliation.
Actually the situation occurred due to certain YouGov respondees misremembering their 2010 affiliation. Rotherham social services rightly concluded this might mean they were unable to remember if they had placed the child in a hay thresher, or in the hands of a grooming gang that was not on the approved groomers list.
Surely social services should reallocate placed children to allow for false recall.
How refreshing to see a Smithson thread on how the Tories are doomed and Labour will do better than expected. I'll bet it chimes with what Nick is hearing on the doorstep in Broxtowe too.
I'm holding out for a 'The LibDems face destruction on May 7th' thread.
No, I think we need to be honest and all cheerlead a Lib Dems to hold at least 55 and make large gains at local elections thread.
I've just stuck more money against the Lib Dems where there has been no "Smithson warning" to be honest.
This means the Taunton Deane stake is larger than the Pompey South one.
I can't see anything other than Conservative gains in North Devon, Solihull, Chippenham, Mid-Dorset, Somerton & Frome, Wells, Portsmouth South, and Taunton Deane.
A great night for the Lib Dems would see them holding the three Cornwall seats, Torbay, Kingston & Surbiton, Brecon & Radnor, Cheadle, Berwick on Tweed, Eastbourne, Cheltenham, and Hazel Grove against the Tories.
What was worrying about the Joyce Thacker interview was the complete lack of self-awareness. How did she get to a senior position with the IQ of a matchstick?
How refreshing to see a Smithson thread on how the Tories are doomed and Labour will do better than expected. I'll bet it chimes with what Nick is hearing on the doorstep in Broxtowe too.
I'm holding out for a 'The LibDems face destruction on May 7th' thread.
No, I think we need to be honest and all cheerlead a Lib Dems to hold at least 55 and make large gains at local elections thread.
I've just stuck more money against the Lib Dems where there has been no "Smithson warning" to be honest.
This means the Taunton Deane stake is larger than the Pompey South one.
I can't see anything other than Conservative gains in North Devon, Solihull, Chippenham, Mid-Dorset, Somerton & Frome, Wells, Portsmouth South, and Taunton Deane.
A great night for the Lib Dems would see them holding the three Cornwall seats, Torbay, Kingston & Surbiton, Brecon & Radnor, Cheadle, Berwick on Tweed, Eastbourne, Cheltenham, and Hazel Grove against the Tories.
These are my thoughts too - Portsmouth South is my litmus test as to who whether OGH has called it right for the Lib Dems though !
Very few professionals would admit to supporting UKIP in a poll as it would be career suicide
Can you talk us through the process from clicking on the UKIP option in the you gov survey to being denied a promotion opportunity at work?
I wouldn't trust You Gov not to pass on my information.
Wow.
And you obviously wouldnt trust your employer not to discriminate against you based on your political beliefs.
So little trust.
Rotherham Social Services discriminated against the foster parents for their political beliefs did they not?
Tbf it was the foster parents' own fault for recklessly responding to you gov surveys with details of their political affiliation.
Actually the situation occurred due to certain YouGov respondees misremembering their 2010 affiliation. Rotherham social services rightly concluded this might mean they were unable to remember if they had placed the child in a hay thresher, or in the hands of a grooming gang that was not on the approved groomers list.
Surely social services should reallocate placed children to allow for false recall.
In response to the sheer number of UKIP reporting respondees! social services have no option but to reallocate children into approved grooming gangs to counterbalance the trend and smooth the numbers.
What was worrying about the Joyce Thacker interview was the complete lack of self-awareness. How did she get to a senior position with the IQ of a matchstick?
How refreshing to see a Smithson thread on how the Tories are doomed and Labour will do better than expected. I'll bet it chimes with what Nick is hearing on the doorstep in Broxtowe too.
I'm holding out for a 'The LibDems face destruction on May 7th' thread.
If you don't like coming here then you don't have to. Every time someone posts it adds to my costs without increasing revenue.
How refreshing to see a Smithson thread on how the Tories are doomed and Labour will do better than expected. I'll bet it chimes with what Nick is hearing on the doorstep in Broxtowe too.
I'm holding out for a 'The LibDems face destruction on May 7th' thread.
No, I think we need to be honest and all cheerlead a Lib Dems to hold at least 55 and make large gains at local elections thread.
I've just stuck more money against the Lib Dems where there has been no "Smithson warning" to be honest.
This means the Taunton Deane stake is larger than the Pompey South one.
My next grandson takes his 11+ in a couple of years and I cannot see him passing, what is the point of coaching your kids to pass an exam that sends them to a school they will struggle at and be unhappy?
Do remember that kids mature at different times. When I was seven, I was in the remedial class of a very state ordinary junior school in west London.
And I went on to go to Cambridge. I was just (a) young in my year, and (b) a late developer.
If your grandson is just a late developer, then not coaching him to get through the 11+ is doing him a great disservice.
Very few professionals would admit to supporting UKIP in a poll as it would be career suicide
Can you talk us through the process from clicking on the UKIP option in the you gov survey to being denied a promotion opportunity at work?
I wouldn't trust You Gov not to pass on my information.
Wow.
And you obviously wouldnt trust your employer not to discriminate against you based on your political beliefs.
So little trust.
Rotherham Social Services discriminated against the foster parents for their political beliefs did they not?
Tbf it was the foster parents' own fault for recklessly responding to you gov surveys with details of their political affiliation.
Actually the situation occurred due to certain YouGov respondees misremembering their 2010 affiliation. Rotherham social services rightly concluded this might mean they were unable to remember if they had placed the child in a hay thresher, or in the hands of a grooming gang that was not on the approved groomers list.
Surely social services should reallocate placed children to allow for false recall.
In response to the sheer number of UKIP reporting respondees! social services have no option but to reallocate children into approved grooming gangs to counterbalance the trend and smooth the numbers.
Some paedophiles were dealt with by being blasted into space in one man prison vessels. Unfortunately an 8 year old boy was placed on one of the vessels by mistake. This was the one thing we didnt want to happen.
Very few professionals would admit to supporting UKIP in a poll as it would be career suicide
Can you talk us through the process from clicking on the UKIP option in the you gov survey to being denied a promotion opportunity at work?
I wouldn't trust You Gov not to pass on my information.
Wow.
And you obviously wouldnt trust your employer not to discriminate against you based on your political beliefs.
So little trust.
Rotherham Social Services discriminated against the foster parents for their political beliefs did they not?
Tbf it was the foster parents' own fault for recklessly responding to you gov surveys with details of their political affiliation.
Actually the situation occurred due to certain YouGov respondees misremembering their 2010 affiliation. Rotherham social services rightly concluded this might mean they were unable to remember if they had placed the child in a hay thresher, or in the hands of a grooming gang that was not on the approved groomers list.
Surely social services should reallocate placed children to allow for false recall.
In response to the sheer number of UKIP reporting respondees! social services have no option but to reallocate children into approved grooming gangs to counterbalance the trend and smooth the numbers.
Some paedophiles were dealt with by being blasted into space in one man prison vessels. Unfortunately an 8 year old boy was placed on one of the vessels by mistake. This was the one thing we didnt want to happen.
How refreshing to see a Smithson thread on how the Tories are doomed and Labour will do better than expected. I'll bet it chimes with what Nick is hearing on the doorstep in Broxtowe too.
I'm holding out for a 'The LibDems face destruction on May 7th' thread.
If you don't like coming here then you don't have to. Every time someone posts it adds to my costs without increasing revenue.
Is the ad revenue from additional views not enough to cover the hosting costs?
Here’s the deal. There are two ways in which we can act to prevent future boatloads of migrants from drowning in the Mediterranean, and only two ways. Let them all in, or stop them trying to come.
Or maybe some kind of search and rescue operations.
Nah, that'd never work...
Do as the Aussies do, intercept early and tow them back to their point of departure. Absolutely criminal to bring them to Europe, just encourages them.
Of course they know the risk when they set out so I am not sure why they are presented as innocent victims rather than as calculating criminals breaking the law and in the process endangering others.
Here’s the deal. There are two ways in which we can act to prevent future boatloads of migrants from drowning in the Mediterranean, and only two ways. Let them all in, or stop them trying to come.
Or maybe some kind of search and rescue operations.
Nah, that'd never work...
Do as the Aussies do, intercept early and tow them back to their point of departure. Absolutely criminal to bring them to Europe, just encourages them.
Of course they know the risk when they set out so I am not sure why they are presented as innocent victims rather than as calculating criminals breaking the law and in the process endangering others.
Send em home tae think again. Well, as far as thought is possible whilst being raped, starved or tortured.
My next grandson takes his 11+ in a couple of years and I cannot see him passing, what is the point of coaching your kids to pass an exam that sends them to a school they will struggle at and be unhappy?
Do remember that kids mature at different times. When I was seven, I was in the remedial class of a very state ordinary junior school in west London.
And I went on to go to Cambridge. I was just (a) young in my year, and (b) a late developer.
If your grandson is just a late developer, then not coaching him to get through the 11+ is doing him a great disservice.
He will get some coaching, he is good at numbers and problem solving but his English work is not great.
Anyway he will be the England goalkeeper in the 2030 World Cup!
How refreshing to see a Smithson thread on how the Tories are doomed and Labour will do better than expected. I'll bet it chimes with what Nick is hearing on the doorstep in Broxtowe too.
I'm holding out for a 'The LibDems face destruction on May 7th' thread.
If you don't like coming here then you don't have to. Every time someone posts it adds to my costs without increasing revenue.
Is the ad revenue from additional views not enough to cover the hosting costs?
Do you still have to supplement it?
The display ad revenue runs at less than £300 per month which is sharply down on a few years ago even though there's bigger traffic.
Schools need a far greater emphasis on practical and vocational skills with as much effort put into bringing up the technical and manual skills of weird iq albino children as the educational and mathematical skills of metalwork and sport dudes
"If this analysis is right then LAB would appear to be less vulnerable to UKIP than had been thought"
Labour's current support no. But during the New Labour years they lost a lot of supporters, who stopped voting rather than transfer to the Conservatives (perhaps due to the Conservatives being consider the party of the rich, for the rich).
The ICM (tiny!) subsample used as a thread header the other day hinted at this. With UKIP's highest vote share being in Labour seats, with a majority of <10%.
WTF are the SNP playing at? Are they trying to destroy Labour's chance of election? It is surely in their interests for them to be kingmakers to a weak Miliband. Are they that convinced that a Tory government is better for the SNP longterm?
Or are they just getting absurdly hubristic and cocky?
Alex Salmond being Salmond tbh.
Bad cop is bad cop !
He's probably far enough ahead in Gordon to win, but he has to be careful mind - Con -> LD tactical switching there has a coherent intellectual argument, and sound basis.
How refreshing to see a Smithson thread on how the Tories are doomed and Labour will do better than expected. I'll bet it chimes with what Nick is hearing on the doorstep in Broxtowe too.
I'm holding out for a 'The LibDems face destruction on May 7th' thread.
If you don't like coming here then you don't have to. Every time someone posts it adds to my costs without increasing revenue.
Is the ad revenue from additional views not enough to cover the hosting costs?
Do you still have to supplement it?
The display ad revenue runs at less than £300 per month which is sharply down on a few years ago even though there's bigger traffic.
I shall be donating 10% of any net profit from my betting wagers on the GE to PB as a thank you albeit that is in the unlikely event I do come out on top.
should that arise, it will mostly be thanks to isam & ed being crap.......
WTF are the SNP playing at? Are they trying to destroy Labour's chance of election? It is surely in their interests for them to be kingmakers to a weak Miliband. Are they that convinced that a Tory government is better for the SNP longterm?
Or are they just getting absurdly hubristic and cocky?
The SNP are equally happy with a Conservative-led government and a Labour minority government. The only government that doesn't suit them is a Labour majority government.
WTF are the SNP playing at? Are they trying to destroy Labour's chance of election? It is surely in their interests for them to be kingmakers to a weak Miliband. Are they that convinced that a Tory government is better for the SNP longterm?
Or are they just getting absurdly hubristic and cocky?
The SNP are equally happy with a Conservative-led government and a Labour minority government. The only government that doesn't suit them is a Labour majority government.
Lab on around 310 with the Lib Dems able to solely support them isn't brilliant either.
WTF are the SNP playing at? Are they trying to destroy Labour's chance of election? It is surely in their interests for them to be kingmakers to a weak Miliband. Are they that convinced that a Tory government is better for the SNP longterm?
Or are they just getting absurdly hubristic and cocky?
A Tory government in Westminster being a bogeyman they can create scare stories about gets them much closer to independence. Remember the SNP have the ultimate goal of independence, not more powers or money within the UK. If anything them being king maker within the current system and it working will delay independence as unionist parties can show that Scotland can have a real say in the governance of the nation and that independence is not a necessity for Scotland to do well.
WTF are the SNP playing at? Are they trying to destroy Labour's chance of election? It is surely in their interests for them to be kingmakers to a weak Miliband. Are they that convinced that a Tory government is better for the SNP longterm?
Or are they just getting absurdly hubristic and cocky?
A weak Tory government that has just enough numbers to allow Cameron to cling on to power having talked up the illegitimacy of Scottish MPs is the best result for the SNP to a) survive and b) push the indy case. Basically a rerun of the Tory conduct in relation to Ireland a century back. It minimises the risk to the SNP of being in government in any shape or form (LD-style guilt by association) and allows them to make a forceful case that Scotland is being oppressed by an English-only government.
To put it another way the SNP would like a Tory government because they can see that Cameron would rather be PM of England than let Miliband be PM of Britain.
WTF are the SNP playing at? Are they trying to destroy Labour's chance of election? It is surely in their interests for them to be kingmakers to a weak Miliband. Are they that convinced that a Tory government is better for the SNP longterm?
Or are they just getting absurdly hubristic and cocky?
The SNP are equally happy with a Conservative-led government and a Labour minority government. The only government that doesn't suit them is a Labour majority government.
Lab on around 310 with the Lib Dems able to solely support them isn't brilliant either.
True. The SNP need to ensure Labour don't do too well. Which is why they're assisting the Conservatives right now.
How refreshing to see a Smithson thread on how the Tories are doomed and Labour will do better than expected. I'll bet it chimes with what Nick is hearing on the doorstep in Broxtowe too.
I'm holding out for a 'The LibDems face destruction on May 7th' thread.
If you don't like coming here then you don't have to. Every time someone posts it adds to my costs without increasing revenue.
Is the ad revenue from additional views not enough to cover the hosting costs?
Do you still have to supplement it?
The display ad revenue runs at less than £300 per month which is sharply down on a few years ago even though there's bigger traffic.
I shall be donating 10% of any net profit from my betting wagers on the GE to PB as a thank you albeit that is in the unlikely event I do come out on top.
should that arise, it will mostly be thanks to isam & ed being crap.......
WTF are the SNP playing at? Are they trying to destroy Labour's chance of election? It is surely in their interests for them to be kingmakers to a weak Miliband. Are they that convinced that a Tory government is better for the SNP longterm?
Or are they just getting absurdly hubristic and cocky?
Benefits of a Tory government for them: 1) More annoyance at having a right-wing government forced on Scotland, good for independence. 2) Possibility of leaving the EU, giving them an opening for another referendum if they think they can win it. 3) Tory boundary rules get them loads more Westminster seats, because they're tightly bound to voter registration, and Scotland has massively out-registered England.
Just noticed the Graun live feed reporting a Press Association study of the use of Twitter by PPCs:
"Of the seven main parties, the SNP has managed to get all of its parliamentary candidates on Twitter - while Ukip has only managed to do so with 52% of its prospective MPs.
The Scottish nationalists and Ukip top-and-tailed a Press Association table on Twitter participation. Labour were in second place with 92% of candidates on the micro-blogging site, while you can expect to see tweets from 84% of the Tories’ hopefuls.
Plaid Cymru had 83% of its candidates on Twitter, compared to 77% of the Greens’ and 69% of the Lib Dems".
WTF are the SNP playing at? Are they trying to destroy Labour's chance of election? It is surely in their interests for them to be kingmakers to a weak Miliband. Are they that convinced that a Tory government is better for the SNP longterm?
Or are they just getting absurdly hubristic and cocky?
The SNP want to destroy Labour in Scotland, thus cutting a major thread binding them to the UK and firmly establishing the SNP as the sole voice for Scotland. And feeding the Conservative English nationalist frenzy will help them too
If they get their 50 seats, they're the big winners of the election, no matter who ends up the as the Westminster government
How refreshing to see a Smithson thread on how the Tories are doomed and Labour will do better than expected. I'll bet it chimes with what Nick is hearing on the doorstep in Broxtowe too.
I'm holding out for a 'The LibDems face destruction on May 7th' thread.
If you don't like coming here then you don't have to. Every time someone posts it adds to my costs without increasing revenue.
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The display ad revenue runs at less than £300 per month which is sharply down on a few years ago even though there's bigger traffic.
I shall be donating 10% of any net profit from my betting wagers on the GE to PB as a thank you albeit that is in the unlikely event I do come out on top.
should that arise, it will mostly be thanks to isam & ed being crap.......
I too am willing to help fund the site after my election bets are settled. I have had some promising ones from malcolmg, antifrank and of course Jacks ARSE...
Cameron has turned into a naff Buzzfeed sponsored advert 'you'll be shocked what these celebs eat' ect.
Eck will be delighted - he must have been fuming at the attention Saint Nicola has been getting.
Absolutely, it wouldn't surprise me if the SNP leaked the footage to the Tories anyway. The SNP and Tories at each others throats works in both parties favour. Labour can do bugg*r all to change the narrative.
Here’s the deal. There are two ways in which we can act to prevent future boatloads of migrants from drowning in the Mediterranean, and only two ways. Let them all in, or stop them trying to come.
Or maybe some kind of search and rescue operations.
Looking at the LibDems seats it does appear there are 3 without an incumbent which have gone to the Tories.The LibDem brand has been damaged by coalition with the heartless Tories and so it will fall on the strengths of personality,independent thinking and constituency reputation.For these reasons I suggest evens at Corals is value for a LD hold in Torbay and St Ives is still backable for a LD hold at just under evens.Both candidates may just get over the line using their personal brand rather than their parties and certainly no pictures of Clegg on the leaflets.Places like these,Bath and Yeovil,the LibDems are like bindweed and you just can't get rid of them.
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Well that's progress, everyone else round here says they're voting ukip.
The point is nobody, whether within ukip, the media or other parties has a clue how ukip will do on May 7th.
I know of one well regarded school in South Bucks that is so fed up with boys struggling to adapt because they were not bright enough to pass the 11+ without their parents spending a fortune on coaching that they are bringing in their own entrance exam.
As I said my youngest granddaughter has just passed, in her class three boys passed with the aid of huge coaching. These boys are going to the aforementioned school, have never been in the top group in any subject in all their time at primary school, and will struggle big time when they move up.
My next grandson takes his 11+ in a couple of years and I cannot see him passing, what is the point of coaching your kids to pass an exam that sends them to a school they will struggle at and be unhappy?
Much as I love grammar schools the coaching aspect is an issue, and one that seems to be being addressed by individual schools setting their own entrance exams.
A grammar school in every town will also help.
Very few professionals would admit to supporting UKIP in a poll as it would be career suicide, even if you are a foster parent in Rotherham.
A rising tide lifts all boats.
My granddaughter did some test papers, didn't get the required pass mark as she blew it on the day, but got in on the headmistress' strong recommendation.
And you obviously wouldnt trust your employer not to discriminate against you based on your political beliefs.
So little trust.
Of course, the commentariat isn;t listening.
But the public are.
If the Ashcroft poll were to be repeated on the day, that would mean a UKIP vote of c.10,000. It's possible that in this seat, more have come from Labour than the Conservatives, in which case the canvasser's pessimism would be justified.
1. first Evans/Mellon article
http://pa.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2015/04/16/pa.gsv005.full
2. Goodwin/Ford response
http://pa.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2015/04/16/pa.gsv012.full
3. Final word from Evans/Mellon.
http://pa.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2015/04/16/pa.gsv013.full
"Something must be done" gave us the Iraq War.
HMS Farage could sail out and pick up any floating Christians and put all the others on some sort of barge with homing instincts
its a no brainer
Nah, that'd never work...
This means the Taunton Deane stake is larger than the Pompey South one.
The honorable member for Tripoli South there...
- If Cameron does 'as well' as Major did in '92 (-40 Seats) He wont be Prime Minister.
- If Miliband does 'as badly' as Kinnock did in '92 (+42 Seats) He will be Prime Minister.
This also supports Mr Smithson's theory of turnout returning to 70%+
http://www.ukpolitical.info/Turnout45.htm
A great night for the Lib Dems would see them holding the three Cornwall seats, Torbay, Kingston & Surbiton, Brecon & Radnor, Cheadle, Berwick on Tweed, Eastbourne, Cheltenham, and Hazel Grove against the Tories.
If the Cons lose net 40, they'll have lost ca 60 to Labour,
What was worrying about the Joyce Thacker interview was the complete lack of self-awareness. How did she get to a senior position with the IQ of a matchstick?
And I went on to go to Cambridge. I was just (a) young in my year, and (b) a late developer.
If your grandson is just a late developer, then not coaching him to get through the 11+ is doing him a great disservice.
@David_Cameron
This footage will shock you: Alex Salmond laughs & boasts he’ll write Labour’s budget. Vote Conservative to stop it.
https://amp.twimg.com/v/8771ab80-c4b9-4e9d-ba4b-a1bb4ccddc9e …
Did they check the political affiliations of the grooming gangs beforehand?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRRw1ERj2Gc
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Nah, that'd never work...
Do as the Aussies do, intercept early and tow them back to their point of departure. Absolutely criminal to bring them to Europe, just encourages them.
Of course they know the risk when they set out so I am not sure why they are presented as innocent victims rather than as calculating criminals breaking the law and in the process endangering others.
Of course they know the risk when they set out so I am not sure why they are presented as innocent victims rather than as calculating criminals breaking the law and in the process endangering others.
Send em home tae think again. Well, as far as thought is possible whilst being raped, starved or tortured.
Anyway he will be the England goalkeeper in the 2030 World Cup!
Race to the bottom, you win.
Labour's current support no. But during the New Labour years they lost a lot of supporters, who stopped voting rather than transfer to the Conservatives (perhaps due to the Conservatives being consider the party of the rich, for the rich).
The ICM (tiny!) subsample used as a thread header the other day hinted at this. With UKIP's highest vote share being in Labour seats, with a majority of <10%.
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2015/04/21/these-icm-sub-samples-are-very-small-but-the-detail-of-this-breakdown-is-fascinating/
Bad cop is bad cop !
He's probably far enough ahead in Gordon to win, but he has to be careful mind - Con -> LD tactical switching there has a coherent intellectual argument, and sound basis.
should that arise, it will mostly be thanks to isam & ed being crap.......
To put it another way the SNP would like a Tory government because they can see that Cameron would rather be PM of England than let Miliband be PM of Britain.
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Ed Miliband says he will pay Mansion Tax on his £2.7m home, but insists it is not a mansion. 'That's just a term that's used...
Cameron has turned into a naff Buzzfeed sponsored advert 'you'll be shocked what these celebs eat' ect.
Only just seen the question you asked.. You mean South Thanet?
Nothing has changed IMO I think Farage will win very easily Ukip 4/6 probably the best bet
As for the £500@4.2 laying Tories... Weird they just don't go 3.75
IF labour want to win back ground in Scotland, surely the whole idea is to punish people for voting SNP, not reward them!!
1) More annoyance at having a right-wing government forced on Scotland, good for independence.
2) Possibility of leaving the EU, giving them an opening for another referendum if they think they can win it.
3) Tory boundary rules get them loads more Westminster seats, because they're tightly bound to voter registration, and Scotland has massively out-registered England.
"Of the seven main parties, the SNP has managed to get all of its parliamentary candidates on Twitter - while Ukip has only managed to do so with 52% of its prospective MPs.
The Scottish nationalists and Ukip top-and-tailed a Press Association table on Twitter participation. Labour were in second place with 92% of candidates on the micro-blogging site, while you can expect to see tweets from 84% of the Tories’ hopefuls.
Plaid Cymru had 83% of its candidates on Twitter, compared to 77% of the Greens’ and 69% of the Lib Dems".
If they get their 50 seats, they're the big winners of the election, no matter who ends up the as the Westminster government
IIRC since Australia took on a zero tolerance stance - the number of boat people like this has virtually stopped. Or maybe some kind of search and rescue operations.
Nah, that'd never work...
Reminds me of Blair's claim a week or so ago, that he wasn't rich, and his massive earnings were all spent on 'infrastructure'.