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  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,044
    MaxPB said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    AndyJS said:

    UKPR polling average updated and UKIP on 14%, only a small dip from a few weeks ago:

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/uk-polling-report-average-2

    Any idea why ICM excluded? Or is that normal.
    ICM is in the list.
    I must be blind because I don't see it....
    12th April.

    I was looking here:
    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/uk-polling-report-average-2

    But I realise now it just hasn't been updated..!
    No, it's there.

    "ICM/Guardian 2015-04-12 39 33 8 7 7 Con +6 0.72"
    Maybe the webpage hasn't made it to this side of the atlantic, since I still see the old polls there :D
    Press "Shift+F5" to force a page reload. Your ISP may have a cached version which you are picking up.
    Still the same....
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642

    MP_SE said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour and Tories tied: CON 34%, LAB 34%, LD 9%, UKIP 14%, GRN 5%

    Go UKIP.
    That cannot be right, only last night Purseybear assured us UKIP we're finished after the debate.
    Farage's attack on the audience was really quite clever. It reinforces the message that the establishment are out to get them and the views they hold are not just wrong but disgusting.

  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,688

    Tabman said:

    Perhaps if you actually spoke to some Orange Bookers rather than pontificating, you'd find we have a healthy scepticism for EU institutions and want them reformed.

    You'd also find we gave a strong belief in meritocracy and are anti - corporatist / producer monopolist.

    Unfortunately you have not yet realised - even after 40 years -that it cannot be reformed in the way you want. It's whole purpose was ever closer union and that remains a core principle.
    Quite rightly too. Ever closer union didn't mean ever increasing integration, it meant a union of people (in 1957) closer than the way Europe had acted in previous decades.
    Simply not true. The founders of the EEC/EU were absolutely clear that the aim was a single unified federal Europe. It meant and still means exactly what it said which is why it is still part of the treaties which govern the EU today.
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800

    alex. said:

    hunchman said:

    tyson said:

    Forget the polls, Jimmy Anderson has just become England's greatest ever test wicket bowler. Does this achievement not deserve at least a single mention?

    To overtake Botham is an impressive record. After a bright few years there's not been much to cheer about recently in English cricket; Anderson however has been consistently good for a long time though. He deserves this achievement.
    Still well short of other countries leading wicket takers and considering the amount of test match cricket England play, not to decry Jimmy's achievement.

    Australia - Warne 708 wkts, Sri Lanka Murali 800, WI Courtney Walsh (521 from memory) puts 384 into context.
    The first two are the world's greatest ever spin bowlers, lolloping in off three paces.

    Walsh, with Ambrose, was the last of that extended generation of Windies quicks the like of which we will never see again.

    So kudos to Jimmy.
    Walsh played until he was 38 - if Anderson lasted that long he would pass him

    Indeed. And Warne's Test career was 15 years long, without much interruption. Jimmy's is currently 12 years, with a 2/3-year hiatus in the wilderness.
    Yes well done Jimmy.

    I had England to win at evens so obviously lost, but I would love to see the Windies be a force in the game once again, they have decent young players.
  • franklynfranklyn Posts: 322
    Any thoughts from you pundits on the likely outcome of Wyre Forest?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064
    RobD said:

    MaxPB said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    AndyJS said:

    UKPR polling average updated and UKIP on 14%, only a small dip from a few weeks ago:

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/uk-polling-report-average-2

    Any idea why ICM excluded? Or is that normal.
    ICM is in the list.
    I must be blind because I don't see it....
    12th April.

    I was looking here:
    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/uk-polling-report-average-2

    But I realise now it just hasn't been updated..!
    No, it's there.

    "ICM/Guardian 2015-04-12 39 33 8 7 7 Con +6 0.72"
    Maybe the webpage hasn't made it to this side of the atlantic, since I still see the old polls there :D
    Press "Shift+F5" to force a page reload. Your ISP may have a cached version which you are picking up.
    Still the same....
    Yeah I don't have an updated version of that page, but the front page has updated.
  • paulyorkpaulyork Posts: 50
    plenty of arbs around after those latest scottish constituency polls. probs wont last long tho.
  • marke09marke09 Posts: 926
    Muslims in Cardiff told not to vote as it violates the rights of Allah

    The flyers stated: "Democracy is a system whereby man violates the right of Allah and decides what is permissible or impermissible for mankind, based solely on their whims and desires.

    "Islam is the only real, working solution for the UK. It is a comprehensive system of governance where the laws of Allah are implemented and justice is observed."

    Akmal Hanuk, a trustee at the Muslim Council of Wales, said: "It is not representing the views of the majority of Muslims. I think the majority of Muslims want to vote and will.

    "From a Muslim Council of Wales perspective, we encourage them to vote and to have a say in the democratic system."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-32352674
  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323

    Tabman said:

    Perhaps if you actually spoke to some Orange Bookers rather than pontificating, you'd find we have a healthy scepticism for EU institutions and want them reformed.

    You'd also find we gave a strong belief in meritocracy and are anti - corporatist / producer monopolist.

    Unfortunately you have not yet realised - even after 40 years -that it cannot be reformed in the way you want. It's whole purpose was ever closer union and that remains a core principle.
    Quite rightly too. Ever closer union didn't mean ever increasing integration, it meant a union of people (in 1957) closer than the way Europe had acted in previous decades.
    Simply not true. The founders of the EEC/EU were absolutely clear that the aim was a single unified federal Europe. It meant and still means exactly what it said which is why it is still part of the treaties which govern the EU today.
    Richard is right: part of the problem the EU has face has been a constantly increasing scope with no time to reflect on the way that the current stock of issues are being handled. If you look at new member states alone, the last 25 years has been hectic, without the new prerogatives.

    But that does not mean that it cannot be adjusted in the way Cameron wants: to say that the EEC should have stuck to coal and steel back in 1960 is a different proposition to saying that its current scope should be adjusted. So it's not 40 years "lesson not learnt" as Richard suggests.
  • trubluetrublue Posts: 103
    GIN1138 said:

    YouGov = Zzzzzzzzzzzz....

    Any rumours about the midnight announcement on Twitter?

    None I've seen. I have a sinking feeling the midnight announcement is going to be a huge disappointment for all and change nothing.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    MikeL said:

    Scott_P said:

    @BBCAllegra: Newsnight understands Nigel Farage to do 1/2 hr elex i/v same night as big 3 Leaders do Dimbleby 8-9:30pm, Apr 30th. NF in QuestionTime slot

    @BBCAllegra: Farage on at 10:30 in Eng & Wales; Leanne Wood gets QT slot in Wales and Sturgeon gets it in Scotland. To reflect where they are strong.

    Sounds fair enough to me. Farage will be happy.
    Yes, but he'll rate about 1/4 of what the 3 main leaders get for their QT at 8pm.

    The 3 main leaders at 8pm should get about 4m - ie similar to the BBC debate.

    For the Evan Davis interviews at BBC1 7.30pm, Clegg got 2m and Cameron got 1.8m. Farage will do well to get 1m for an interview at 10.45pm.
    Better than nothing, is what I'm getting at. Silly he's not in the main debate, but he now can make the best of a bad job.
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    MikeL said:

    Scott_P said:

    @BBCAllegra: Newsnight understands Nigel Farage to do 1/2 hr elex i/v same night as big 3 Leaders do Dimbleby 8-9:30pm, Apr 30th. NF in QuestionTime slot

    @BBCAllegra: Farage on at 10:30 in Eng & Wales; Leanne Wood gets QT slot in Wales and Sturgeon gets it in Scotland. To reflect where they are strong.

    Sounds fair enough to me. Farage will be happy.
    Yes, but he'll rate about 1/4 of what the 3 main leaders get for their QT at 8pm.

    The 3 main leaders at 8pm should get about 4m - ie similar to the BBC debate.

    For the Evan Davis interviews at BBC1 7.30pm, Clegg got 2m and Cameron got 1.8m. Farage will do well to get 1m for an interview at 10.45pm.
    Farage has an Evan Davis too at 7.30 next Wednesday
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917

    alex. said:

    hunchman said:

    tyson said:

    Forget the polls, Jimmy Anderson has just become England's greatest ever test wicket bowler. Does this achievement not deserve at least a single mention?

    To overtake Botham is an impressive record. After a bright few years there's not been much to cheer about recently in English cricket; Anderson however has been consistently good for a long time though. He deserves this achievement.
    Still well short of other countries leading wicket takers and considering the amount of test match cricket England play, not to decry Jimmy's achievement.

    Australia - Warne 708 wkts, Sri Lanka Murali 800, WI Courtney Walsh (521 from memory) puts 384 into context.
    The first two are the world's greatest ever spin bowlers, lolloping in off three paces.

    Walsh, with Ambrose, was the last of that extended generation of Windies quicks the like of which we will never see again.

    So kudos to Jimmy.
    Walsh played until he was 38 - if Anderson lasted that long he would pass him

    Indeed. And Warne's Test career was 15 years long, without much interruption. Jimmy's is currently 12 years, with a 2/3-year hiatus in the wilderness.
    Yes well done Jimmy.

    I had England to win at evens so obviously lost, but I would love to see the Windies be a force in the game once again, they have decent young players.
    Exactly my thoughts. The cricket world feels a bit two-dimensional without a strong Windies. The dwindling of cricket there is a great shame; the better their team gets, the more likely the fire will be rekindled in babylon...
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    marke09 said:

    Muslims in Cardiff told not to vote as it violates the rights of Allah

    The flyers stated: "Democracy is a system whereby man violates the right of Allah and decides what is permissible or impermissible for mankind, based solely on their whims and desires.

    "Islam is the only real, working solution for the UK. It is a comprehensive system of governance where the laws of Allah are implemented and justice is observed."

    Akmal Hanuk, a trustee at the Muslim Council of Wales, said: "It is not representing the views of the majority of Muslims. I think the majority of Muslims want to vote and will.

    "From a Muslim Council of Wales perspective, we encourage them to vote and to have a say in the democratic system."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-32352674

    Good on the Muslim council of Wales say I. As for the alleged flyer I shall keep my council for fear of appearing unreasonable.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    MP_SE said:

    MP_SE said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour and Tories tied: CON 34%, LAB 34%, LD 9%, UKIP 14%, GRN 5%

    Go UKIP.
    That cannot be right, only last night Purseybear assured us UKIP we're finished after the debate.
    Farage's attack on the audience was really quite clever. It reinforces the message that the establishment are out to get them and the views they hold are not just wrong but disgusting.

    So it wasn't the implosion of the UKIP campaign that some on here hysterically and joyfully predicted last night?
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    edited April 2015
    franklyn said:

    Any thoughts from you pundits on the likely outcome of Wyre Forest?

    Tories favourite, UKIP slim chance?

    The local election results look quite exciting though! :-)

    http://www.wyreforestdc.gov.uk/the-council/elections-and-voting/election-results.aspx#District2014
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    I know he's wrong about a lot of things, but I cannot help but feel Dan Hodges is right in his analysis that whatever outcome we get in a couple of weeks, the Union is pretty effed.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/politics-blog/11544826/Nicola-Sturgeon-has-hijacked-this-election.-Where-she-takes-it-is-anyones-guess.html
    trublue said:

    GIN1138 said:

    YouGov = Zzzzzzzzzzzz....

    Any rumours about the midnight announcement on Twitter?

    None I've seen. I have a sinking feeling the midnight announcement is going to be a huge disappointment for all and change nothing.
    Sounds pretty on par for this GE so far - the public, beyond Scotland, are not playing ball and are stubbornly sticking to the preference for both the big two about equally, no matter what.

  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    May2015 have put the Survation Con-Lab scores in the wrong way around. Wishful thinking, methinks.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,711
    edited April 2015
    Grandiose said:

    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    I know the LDs are trying to say they are neither left or right leaning, in effect, but is that possibly true? I find it hard to square with my mental picture of them.

    During the 2010 to 2015 period, almost all the 3s have left, and so have a lot of 2s. What remains is a lot of Orange Bookers.
    Very good summary. I'd say the key differences on (1) are on europe and immigration.

    I'm quite liberal on law and order - I believe in drugs liberalisation and prison reform, whilst being anti-capital punishment, for example - but am absolutely not a LD.
    I don't know the future of the post-2015 Lib Dems. I'd be worried that it would be dragged left again.

    I've been very happy with the current coalition, although I don't know whether that (as a Tory) is because of the Lib Dems' influence or just whether the government would have been more centrist than its manifesto anyway.
    Cameron being Cameron would have done what he needed to do in terms of arbitration to keep the ship on the road.

    Had Cameron got a Tory majority of, say, 30, he would have needed to tone down his social policy (gay marriage might have been shelved, or put on the backburner, for instance) and some of the immigration rules that the Lib Dems vetoed (e.g. bonds for foreign students) might have been put in place. A stronger EU renegotiation strategy would also have been required - incl. CAP and social/employment policy demands. Profit making free schools might have been trialled. No AV referendum. Fewer windfarms, more nuclear. The healthcare reforms might have been stronger. The number of MPs would have been cut, and the boundary changes passed. IHT cut would have been implemented, and the free vote on fox hunting held.

    However, most of the rest of the 2010 GE Tory manifesto got through anyway. 0.7% GDP target for aid, and defence cuts, would have happened anyway under a Tory majority.

    The trouble for the LDs is (from their point of view) that no-one knows where they've "toned down" the Tory reforms, because it's not clear to most people what would have happened otherwise. But it is clear where they have not - e.g. tuition fees. So it just looks like they've gone along with most of it as Tory voting lobby fodder. Which isn't fair, of course. But that's politics. Apart from pursuing their pet interests of voting reform, and House of Lords reform, there's not much obvious "yellow". So they're left with the pupil premium and the Income Tax threshold.

    Anyway, that's why Cameron wants a 2nd Tory-LD coalition. He prefers to be seen as a moderator and a centrist, and not a right-wing ideologue. Even though he's supposed to be Tory leader, and it's his manifesto.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,149
    Evening all!

    Survation = clear outlier! :lol::lol::lol:
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,044

    May2015 have put the Survation Con-Lab scores in the wrong way around. Wishful thinking, methinks.

    Has someone told them on twitter?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Today's Ashcroft poll puts Douglas Alexander even further behind than in January. Looks like 20 year-old Mhairi Black is heading for Westminster:

    SNP 50%
    Lab 39%
    Con 6%
    LD 1%
    Oth 4%

    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2015/04/paisley-renfrewshire-south-2/
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    Tonights YG = EICIPM

    Tell me how that works BJ as I am not the brightest, how many seats will Ed get compared to the Tories?
    Only a handful either way but with SNP circa 50 only one potential PM
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,711
    AndyJS said:

    Today's Ashcroft poll puts Douglas Alexander even further behind than in January. Looks like 20 year-old Mhairi Black is heading for Westminster:

    SNP 50%
    Lab 39%
    Con 6%
    LD 1%
    Oth 4%

    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2015/04/paisley-renfrewshire-south-2/

    That's nuts. She's one (very youthful) fanatic of a lady.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Ed can't rule out a deal with Nicola, because that is his only hope of sneaking into Downing Street.

    If he did rule it out, it would kill labour in Scotland, except Labour can't get any more dead than they already are

    As long as he doesn't rule it out, he could be bleeding votes in England, which could prevent him getting enough seats to make a deal with Nicola...

    Ho hum
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    One benefit of the SNP implosion is that Labour-Tory VIs in Scotland are much closer - so it is easier to estimate the effect in England.

    (Survation had the Conservatives ahead of Labour in Scotland and Wales!) (caveats apply)

    I think the imponderables are all in the Conservative favour. Cameron is still seen as the best potential prime minister, the Tory vote is much firmer than either of the two other main parties (Labour and UKIP) and more people want a Tory led government than a Labour led one. The main concern is the LD are really willing to vote tactically.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    edited April 2015

    MP_SE said:

    MP_SE said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour and Tories tied: CON 34%, LAB 34%, LD 9%, UKIP 14%, GRN 5%

    Go UKIP.
    That cannot be right, only last night Purseybear assured us UKIP we're finished after the debate.
    Farage's attack on the audience was really quite clever. It reinforces the message that the establishment are out to get them and the views they hold are not just wrong but disgusting.

    So it wasn't the implosion of the UKIP campaign that some on here hysterically and joyfully predicted last night?
    I would imagine those same people said the same when he came out against migrants with HIV. The polling showed larger support for his statement than against. Interestingly a report I was reading earlier from Oxford University cited HIV treatment as one of the costs associated with immigration.

    Farage is no amateur when it comes to television appearances. He has faced countless hostile QT audiences so last night's outburst was more than likely planned.

    Farage polled very well on the individual questions from last night. Whilst the audience may have been baying for blood, the viewers at home certainly lapped it up.
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800

    Tonights YG = EICIPM

    Tell me how that works BJ as I am not the brightest, how many seats will Ed get compared to the Tories?
    Only a handful either way but with SNP circa 50 only one potential PM
    You haven't really thought this through have you?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    weejonnie said:

    One benefit of the SNP implosion is that Labour-Tory VIs in Scotland are much closer - so it is easier to estimate the effect in England.

    (Survation had the Conservatives ahead of Labour in Scotland and Wales!) (caveats apply)

    I think the imponderables are all in the Conservative favour. .

    Too bad the ponderables are all in Labour's favour. Bigjohnowls has the right of that.

    Night all.

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415

    AndyJS said:

    Today's Ashcroft poll puts Douglas Alexander even further behind than in January. Looks like 20 year-old Mhairi Black is heading for Westminster:

    SNP 50%
    Lab 39%
    Con 6%
    LD 1%
    Oth 4%

    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2015/04/paisley-renfrewshire-south-2/

    That's nuts. She's one (very youthful) fanatic of a lady.
    I'm quite looking forward to seeing Mhairi in parliament actually.

    But that's probably got a fair bit to do with my book ;)
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    May2015 have put the Survation Con-Lab scores in the wrong way around. Wishful thinking, methinks.

    "Hi Bet 365, can I have £100 at 6/4 UKIP Castle Point pls?"

    "You can have a total of nothing"

    "Are you sure????"

    "OK, £2"

  • Eh_ehm_a_ehEh_ehm_a_eh Posts: 552
    Pulpstar said:

    AndyJS said:

    Today's Ashcroft poll puts Douglas Alexander even further behind than in January. Looks like 20 year-old Mhairi Black is heading for Westminster:

    SNP 50%
    Lab 39%
    Con 6%
    LD 1%
    Oth 4%

    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2015/04/paisley-renfrewshire-south-2/

    That's nuts. She's one (very youthful) fanatic of a lady.
    I'm quite looking forward to seeing Mhairi in parliament actually.

    But that's probably got a fair bit to do with my book ;)
    Misread that i thought you said left hook.

  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited April 2015
    trublue said:
    What I find a bit weird about this whole journalism 2.0 thingy is you get reporting like this;

    "Cameron said: “What we’re doing is taking the country’s leading expert on pensions, on savings, on financial education, Ros Altmann, and saying that if we’re re-elected, she’ll be at the heart of government.”

    When did Cameron say this? To whom?

    I can't remember him saying it. Has he even said it yet?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MikeGapes: If SNP stop Labour majority I predict Cameron immediately offering Nicola a deal on Home Rule and Full Fiscal Austerity #voteSNPgetTories
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,387
    edited April 2015
    At least I didn't have to stay up to Midnight.... For that!

    Night. :smiley:
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,711
    I should also add that had Cameron realised just how radical and far-reaching Gove's education, Lansley's health and Duncan-Smith's welfare reforms were - how they'd be received, perceived and misrepresented, and the strength of opposition to them - he'd probably have stopped or diluted them much earlier.

    It's only his ignorance of what they were up to, what the reforms really meant, and the sheer speed at which his fellow cabinet ministers moved that allowed them to pass through so unhindered. As a strong backer of those reforms (which to me were, and are, sensible common-sense reforms to alter behaviours and incentives to drive real improvements in results in the public sector) I will be ever grateful for the drive and impetus of his fellow ministers in the 2010-2012 period. It all ended with the "Omnishambles" budget, in reality.

    Cameron was, and is, about things like the Big Society, citizen service, sunny optimism, and community initiatives. Friendly, hearthy, hearty natural shire Conservatism - that emphasises social cohesion, family and tradition - and where you don't really want to think about, or change anything, too much. And definitely not upset anyone.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    Heard IDS on the radio today.

    He means well but I can see why he has errm... opposition.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,711

    Pulpstar said:

    AndyJS said:

    Today's Ashcroft poll puts Douglas Alexander even further behind than in January. Looks like 20 year-old Mhairi Black is heading for Westminster:

    SNP 50%
    Lab 39%
    Con 6%
    LD 1%
    Oth 4%

    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2015/04/paisley-renfrewshire-south-2/

    That's nuts. She's one (very youthful) fanatic of a lady.
    I'm quite looking forward to seeing Mhairi in parliament actually.

    But that's probably got a fair bit to do with my book ;)
    Misread that i thought you said left hook.

    No, that's what she says. Mainly to Labour politicians.
  • trubluetrublue Posts: 103
    GIN1138 said:


    Who?

    Exactly.

    I'm off to bed too.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,044
    Stupid journalists always hyping boring stories and polls on twitter.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415

    Pulpstar said:

    AndyJS said:

    Today's Ashcroft poll puts Douglas Alexander even further behind than in January. Looks like 20 year-old Mhairi Black is heading for Westminster:

    SNP 50%
    Lab 39%
    Con 6%
    LD 1%
    Oth 4%

    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2015/04/paisley-renfrewshire-south-2/

    That's nuts. She's one (very youthful) fanatic of a lady.
    I'm quite looking forward to seeing Mhairi in parliament actually.

    But that's probably got a fair bit to do with my book ;)
    Misread that i thought you said left hook.

    No, that's what she says. Mainly to Labour politicians.
    Unfortunately Eric Joyce will have left the building !
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,044

    AndyJS said:

    Today's Ashcroft poll puts Douglas Alexander even further behind than in January. Looks like 20 year-old Mhairi Black is heading for Westminster:

    SNP 50%
    Lab 39%
    Con 6%
    LD 1%
    Oth 4%

    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2015/04/paisley-renfrewshire-south-2/

    That's nuts. She's one (very youthful) fanatic of a lady.
    Bloody hell.. 40% majority... just gone!
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @BBCAllegra: It's Friday night, it's late but my inbox still exploding with Lab, SNP + Tory views on how they banjax each other in event of Lab-SNP pact
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,711
    That is a stupendously shite story. Everyone involved should be slapped with a badger.

    Goodnight.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,149
    Part-ELBOW updated for Survation = Lab lead of 0.6%
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    RobD said:

    AndyJS said:

    Today's Ashcroft poll puts Douglas Alexander even further behind than in January. Looks like 20 year-old Mhairi Black is heading for Westminster:

    SNP 50%
    Lab 39%
    Con 6%
    LD 1%
    Oth 4%

    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2015/04/paisley-renfrewshire-south-2/

    That's nuts. She's one (very youthful) fanatic of a lady.
    Bloody hell.. 40% majority... just gone!
    To put these swings into English context, Bootle, East Ham for Labour, Newbury and Maidenhead for the Tories would be in danger !
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143

    hunchman said:

    tyson said:

    Forget the polls, Jimmy Anderson has just become England's greatest ever test wicket bowler. Does this achievement not deserve at least a single mention?

    To overtake Botham is an impressive record. After a bright few years there's not been much to cheer about recently in English cricket; Anderson however has been consistently good for a long time though. He deserves this achievement.
    Still well short of other countries leading wicket takers and considering the amount of test match cricket England play, not to decry Jimmy's achievement.

    Australia - Warne 708 wkts, Sri Lanka Murali 800, WI Courtney Walsh (521 from memory) puts 384 into context.
    The first two are the world's greatest ever spin bowlers, lolloping in off three paces.

    Walsh, with Ambrose, was the last of that extended generation of Windies quicks the like of which we will never see again.

    So kudos to Jimmy.
    Most important of all, Anderson isn't finished yet. Let's see how many wickets he has when he retires, and then we can put him into context.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,393
    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    AndyJS said:

    Today's Ashcroft poll puts Douglas Alexander even further behind than in January. Looks like 20 year-old Mhairi Black is heading for Westminster:

    SNP 50%
    Lab 39%
    Con 6%
    LD 1%
    Oth 4%

    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2015/04/paisley-renfrewshire-south-2/

    That's nuts. She's one (very youthful) fanatic of a lady.
    I'm quite looking forward to seeing Mhairi in parliament actually.

    But that's probably got a fair bit to do with my book ;)
    Misread that i thought you said left hook.

    No, that's what she says. Mainly to Labour politicians.
    Unfortunately Eric Joyce will have left the building !
    He's not a SLAB pol any more ...

  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    The Union was on borrowed time the moment Devolution was granted. The MSM running around now and in the past few months as if the Union's end is some big surprise. "What do we do about it?" they cry.

    Nothing. We embrace a Union of the Crowns, and finally have an English parliament.

  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,044
    Pulpstar said:

    RobD said:

    AndyJS said:

    Today's Ashcroft poll puts Douglas Alexander even further behind than in January. Looks like 20 year-old Mhairi Black is heading for Westminster:

    SNP 50%
    Lab 39%
    Con 6%
    LD 1%
    Oth 4%

    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2015/04/paisley-renfrewshire-south-2/

    That's nuts. She's one (very youthful) fanatic of a lady.
    Bloody hell.. 40% majority... just gone!
    To put these swings into English context, Bootle, East Ham for Labour, Newbury and Maidenhead for the Tories would be in danger !
    There are only 27 seats with majorities bigger than 40%!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    Speedy Yes, looks like he will be making another run, could still be a force in Iowa
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    RobD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    RobD said:

    AndyJS said:

    Today's Ashcroft poll puts Douglas Alexander even further behind than in January. Looks like 20 year-old Mhairi Black is heading for Westminster:

    SNP 50%
    Lab 39%
    Con 6%
    LD 1%
    Oth 4%

    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2015/04/paisley-renfrewshire-south-2/

    That's nuts. She's one (very youthful) fanatic of a lady.
    Bloody hell.. 40% majority... just gone!
    To put these swings into English context, Bootle, East Ham for Labour, Newbury and Maidenhead for the Tories would be in danger !
    There are only 27 seats with majorities bigger than 40%!
    Na'haielien an Nar may have a fair sized majority after the election.
  • Eh_ehm_a_ehEh_ehm_a_eh Posts: 552

    AndyJS said:

    Today's Ashcroft poll puts Douglas Alexander even further behind than in January. Looks like 20 year-old Mhairi Black is heading for Westminster:

    SNP 50%
    Lab 39%
    Con 6%
    LD 1%
    Oth 4%

    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2015/04/paisley-renfrewshire-south-2/

    That's nuts. She's one (very youthful) fanatic of a lady.
    Chief Whip material, in a Begbie style "nae c**t enters the division lobby until ah f*****g say so"










  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    I'm heading into Hallam, deepest Dore tommorow btw so I'll be able to give the lowdown on yellow diamonds.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Ashcroft constituency polls conducted this year where the gap between the first two parties is 5% or less:

    5% gap:
    Blackpool North
    Nuneaton
    Stockton South
    Wirral West

    4% gap:
    Croydon Central
    Dudley South
    Dumfries
    Gloucester
    Harrow East
    Pendle

    3% gap:
    Boston
    Coatbridge
    Crewe
    St Ives
    Cleethorpes

    2% gap:
    Cleethorpes
    Cornwall North
    Dumfriesshire
    Finchley
    Halesowen
    Milton Keynes South
    Sheffield Hallam

    1% gap:
    Berwickshire
    Castle Point
    Colne Valley
    High Peak
    Norwich North
    Torbay

    Tie:
    Pudsey
    Rossendale
    South Ribble
    Swindon South
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    trublue said:
    Ros Altman as a minister for pensions. Yup wholly agree, 100%. Announcing before you're elected hmmm....
  • Eh_ehm_a_ehEh_ehm_a_eh Posts: 552


    There are only 27 seats with majorities bigger than 40%!

    Na'haielien an Nar may have a fair sized majority after the election.

    Lol nice try. Call it the Western Isles.

  • asjohnstoneasjohnstone Posts: 1,276
    edited April 2015

    Tonights YG = EICIPM

    Tell me how that works BJ as I am not the brightest, how many seats will Ed get compared to the Tories?
    Only a handful either way but with SNP circa 50 only one potential PM
    You haven't really thought this through have you?
    BJO appears able to count, you appear not to be able to.

    Labour can finish on about the same seats or even 20 less than now and still take power depending on how the Lib Dem vote holds up.

    323 is all that matters
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415

    AndyJS said:

    Today's Ashcroft poll puts Douglas Alexander even further behind than in January. Looks like 20 year-old Mhairi Black is heading for Westminster:

    SNP 50%
    Lab 39%
    Con 6%
    LD 1%
    Oth 4%

    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2015/04/paisley-renfrewshire-south-2/

    That's nuts. She's one (very youthful) fanatic of a lady.
    Chief Whip material, in a Begbie style "nae c**t enters the division lobby until ah f*****g say so"










    Be a better chief whip than Gove lol
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,044
    edited April 2015


    Lol nice try. Call it the Western Isles.

    Yeah, I tried to google it, but google was having none of it. I knew which one it way anyway :D
  • asjohnstoneasjohnstone Posts: 1,276
    edited April 2015
    I'm expecting something like

    Con 290
    Lab 269
    Lib Dem 14
    UKIP 1
    Green 1
    SNP 54
    PC 3
    NI 18

    Resulting in a minority but workable Labour led administration
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Pulpstar said:

    RobD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    RobD said:

    AndyJS said:

    Today's Ashcroft poll puts Douglas Alexander even further behind than in January. Looks like 20 year-old Mhairi Black is heading for Westminster:

    SNP 50%
    Lab 39%
    Con 6%
    LD 1%
    Oth 4%

    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2015/04/paisley-renfrewshire-south-2/

    That's nuts. She's one (very youthful) fanatic of a lady.
    Bloody hell.. 40% majority... just gone!
    To put these swings into English context, Bootle, East Ham for Labour, Newbury and Maidenhead for the Tories would be in danger !
    There are only 27 seats with majorities bigger than 40%!
    Na'haielien an Nar may have a fair sized majority after the election.
    Who?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,044
    GeoffM said:

    Pulpstar said:

    RobD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    RobD said:

    AndyJS said:

    Today's Ashcroft poll puts Douglas Alexander even further behind than in January. Looks like 20 year-old Mhairi Black is heading for Westminster:

    SNP 50%
    Lab 39%
    Con 6%
    LD 1%
    Oth 4%

    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2015/04/paisley-renfrewshire-south-2/

    That's nuts. She's one (very youthful) fanatic of a lady.
    Bloody hell.. 40% majority... just gone!
    To put these swings into English context, Bootle, East Ham for Labour, Newbury and Maidenhead for the Tories would be in danger !
    There are only 27 seats with majorities bigger than 40%!
    Na'haielien an Nar may have a fair sized majority after the election.
    Who?
    Pulpstar meant "Na h-Eileanan an Iar", must have coughed while trying to say it :D
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Pulpstar said:

    RobD said:

    AndyJS said:

    Today's Ashcroft poll puts Douglas Alexander even further behind than in January. Looks like 20 year-old Mhairi Black is heading for Westminster:

    SNP 50%
    Lab 39%
    Con 6%
    LD 1%
    Oth 4%

    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2015/04/paisley-renfrewshire-south-2/

    That's nuts. She's one (very youthful) fanatic of a lady.
    Bloody hell.. 40% majority... just gone!
    To put these swings into English context, Bootle, East Ham for Labour, Newbury and Maidenhead for the Tories would be in danger !
    Maidenhead was part of Charlie Kennedy's decapitation strategy. I'm sure Theresa will find his current predicament amusing. The likely loss of his seat, I mean.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    I'm expecting something like

    Con 290
    Lab 269
    Lib Dem 14
    UKIP 1
    Green 1
    SNP 54
    PC 3
    NI 18

    Resulting in a minority but workable Labour led administration

    That's a Tory English majority.

    I don't care what the SNP suggest, that isn't workable for five years.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    MP_SE said:

    MP_SE said:

    MP_SE said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour and Tories tied: CON 34%, LAB 34%, LD 9%, UKIP 14%, GRN 5%

    Go UKIP.
    That cannot be right, only last night Purseybear assured us UKIP we're finished after the debate.
    Farage's attack on the audience was really quite clever. It reinforces the message that the establishment are out to get them and the views they hold are not just wrong but disgusting.

    So it wasn't the implosion of the UKIP campaign that some on here hysterically and joyfully predicted last night?
    I would imagine those same people said the same when he came out against migrants with HIV. The polling showed larger support for his statement than against. Interestingly a report I was reading earlier from Oxford University cited HIV treatment as one of the costs associated with immigration.

    Farage is no amateur when it comes to television appearances. He has faced countless hostile QT audiences so last night's outburst was more than likely planned.

    Farage polled very well on the individual questions from last night. Whilst the audience may have been baying for blood, the viewers at home certainly lapped it up.
    It usually takes the best part of a week or two for specific events to show in the polls. Farages tantrum last night will probably not make much difference apart from keeping kippers on the slide.
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800

    Tonights YG = EICIPM

    Tell me how that works BJ as I am not the brightest, how many seats will Ed get compared to the Tories?
    Only a handful either way but with SNP circa 50 only one potential PM
    You haven't really thought this through have you?
    BJO appears able to count, you appear not to be able to.

    Labour can finish on about the same seats or even 20 less than now and still take power depending on how the Lib Dem vote holds up.

    323 is all that matters
    Tory 302 LD 30 means we have continuity thank God.
  • asjohnstoneasjohnstone Posts: 1,276

    I'm expecting something like

    Con 290
    Lab 269
    Lib Dem 14
    UKIP 1
    Green 1
    SNP 54
    PC 3
    NI 18

    Resulting in a minority but workable Labour led administration

    That's a Tory English majority.

    I don't care what the SNP suggest, that isn't workable for five years.
    I think you'll find it is; there's only 1 class of MP, regional majorities don't matter.

    Scotland and Wales elected Labour majorities for decades and had Tory government; they just had to suck it up and deal with it. No different now except the shoe is on other foot.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415

    Part-ELBOW updated for Survation = Lab lead of 0.6%

    Remember Sunil,

    Only popular council leader Wes Streeting can bring hope to Ilford North :)
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    I'm expecting something like

    Con 290
    Lab 269
    Lib Dem 14
    UKIP 1
    Green 1
    SNP 54
    PC 3
    NI 18

    Resulting in a minority but workable Labour led administration

    That is pretty close to my NoJam entry.

    But if an English party or parties brought forward an EVFEL bill then it might get widespread support. There would not be enough SLAB to oppose it and the English Labs may quite like to neuter Nicola.
  • Eh_ehm_a_ehEh_ehm_a_eh Posts: 552

    I'm expecting something like

    Con 290
    Lab 269
    Lib Dem 14
    UKIP 1
    Green 1
    SNP 54
    PC 3
    NI 18

    Resulting in a minority but workable Labour led administration

    That's a Tory English majority.

    I don't care what the SNP suggest, that isn't workable for five years.
    Consensus politics is the way ahead. And if you don't like it tough.

  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143

    AndyJS said:

    Today's Ashcroft poll puts Douglas Alexander even further behind than in January. Looks like 20 year-old Mhairi Black is heading for Westminster:

    SNP 50%
    Lab 39%
    Con 6%
    LD 1%
    Oth 4%

    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2015/04/paisley-renfrewshire-south-2/

    That's nuts. She's one (very youthful) fanatic of a lady.
    Chief Whip material, in a Begbie style "nae c**t enters the division lobby until ah f*****g say so"
    It will liven up Hansard, that's for sure.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    I'm expecting something like

    Con 290
    Lab 269
    Lib Dem 14
    UKIP 1
    Green 1
    SNP 54
    PC 3
    NI 18

    Resulting in a minority but workable Labour led administration

    14 LD? That would be a real bloodbath for the yellows.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    isam said:

    May2015 have put the Survation Con-Lab scores in the wrong way around. Wishful thinking, methinks.

    "Hi Bet 365, can I have £100 at 6/4 UKIP Castle Point pls?"

    "You can have a total of nothing"

    "Are you sure????"

    "OK, £2"
    Hope the phone call didn't cost you anything.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    edited April 2015
    welshowl said:

    trublue said:
    Ros Altman as a minister for pensions. Yup wholly agree, 100%. Announcing before you're elected hmmm....
    Remember what a mess Tory got into in 2010 with all the stories of General Dannatt and Stuart Rose getting jobs.

    Given I would have thought 99% of the population won't have heard of this women, why even go there. It isn't like the Tories have snagged David Miliband to come and work for them.
  • asjohnstoneasjohnstone Posts: 1,276
    AndyJS said:

    I'm expecting something like

    Con 290
    Lab 269
    Lib Dem 14
    UKIP 1
    Green 1
    SNP 54
    PC 3
    NI 18

    Resulting in a minority but workable Labour led administration

    14 LD? That would be a real bloodbath for the yellows.
    Yes, in particular I expect them to be wiped on in the south west and in Scotland.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Whoops, included Cleethorpes twice in the list. It's a 2% rather than 3%.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    AndyJS said:

    I'm expecting something like

    Con 290
    Lab 269
    Lib Dem 14
    UKIP 1
    Green 1
    SNP 54
    PC 3
    NI 18

    Resulting in a minority but workable Labour led administration

    14 LD? That would be a real bloodbath for the yellows.
    The Comres Southwest battleground poll was awful though.

    The yellows are relying on Ashcroft QUestion 2 being more accurate than question 1 in a huge, huge way.

    If QUestion 1 is holds a fair bit of sway, they are toast in alot of places.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,569
    Pong said:

    trublue said:
    What I find a bit weird about this whole journalism 2.0 thingy is you get reporting like this;

    "Cameron said: “What we’re doing is taking the country’s leading expert on pensions, on savings, on financial education, Ros Altmann, and saying that if we’re re-elected, she’ll be at the heart of government.”

    When did Cameron say this? To whom?

    I can't remember him saying it. Has he even said it yet?
    Lol. Very funny and very true.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Labour mobilising the Ukip vote in Thanet

    Will Scobie Campaign (@willscobie)
    14/04/2015 11:20
    Come to Ramsgate, Kent on Sunday (19th) with Owen Jones + help defeat Nigel Farage in 2015.
    facebook.com/events/1092250… pic.twitter.com/eY2AxgG7Lj
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    I should also add that had Cameron realised just how radical and far-reaching Gove's education, Lansley's health and Duncan-Smith's welfare reforms were - how they'd be received, perceived and misrepresented, and the strength of opposition to them - he'd probably have stopped or diluted them much earlier.

    It's only his ignorance of what they were up to, what the reforms really meant, and the sheer speed at which his fellow cabinet ministers moved that allowed them to pass through so unhindered. As a strong backer of those reforms (which to me were, and are, sensible common-sense reforms to alter behaviours and incentives to drive real improvements in results in the public sector) I will be ever grateful for the drive and impetus of his fellow ministers in the 2010-2012 period. It all ended with the "Omnishambles" budget, in reality.

    Cameron was, and is, about things like the Big Society, citizen service, sunny optimism, and community initiatives. Friendly, hearthy, hearty natural shire Conservatism - that emphasises social cohesion, family and tradition - and where you don't really want to think about, or change anything, too much. And definitely not upset anyone.

    I don't for one second think Cameron is as thick or ignorant as you make out. He knew what was going on.

    Reforms are always best passed at the start of the Parliament not at the end. As Macbeth said (Act 1, Scene 7) "if it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done quickly".
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @MP_SE

    'Interestingly a report I was reading earlier from Oxford University cited HIV treatment as one of the costs associated with immigration.'

    Also TB, with London having the highest rates in Western Europe.


  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    Pong said:

    trublue said:
    What I find a bit weird about this whole journalism 2.0 thingy is you get reporting like this;

    "Cameron said: “What we’re doing is taking the country’s leading expert on pensions, on savings, on financial education, Ros Altmann, and saying that if we’re re-elected, she’ll be at the heart of government.”

    When did Cameron say this? To whom?

    I can't remember him saying it. Has he even said it yet?
    The lowest common denominator assumed by the newspapers is that we're all too thick to understand that words can be written down as well as spoken, so if he didn't speak the words it didn't happen, and thus they have to write that he spoke the words, even if he didn't even write them.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    Stuart Hosie only has a 4% majority to defend in Dundee East.

    Could be tough.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    If SNP/Lab was a runner, but Tories had the most seats, would Miliband pass the chance, or go for it?

    Risk either way. Labour could get annihilated in England in 2020...
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    RodCrosby said:

    If SNP/Lab was a runner, but Tories had the most seats, would Miliband pass the chance, or go for it?

    Risk either way. Labour could get annihilated in England in 2020...

    I think he gets talking to the Lib Dems first.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    I'm expecting something like

    Con 290
    Lab 269
    Lib Dem 14
    UKIP 1
    Green 1
    SNP 54
    PC 3
    NI 18

    Resulting in a minority but workable Labour led administration

    That's a Tory English majority.

    I don't care what the SNP suggest, that isn't workable for five years.
    I think you'll find it is; there's only 1 class of MP, regional majorities don't matter.

    Scotland and Wales elected Labour majorities for decades and had Tory government; they just had to suck it up and deal with it. No different now except the shoe is on other foot.
    Scotland and Wales had a Tory government because we were a single country back then and the laws applied to the entire country. We didn't have an English Parliament setting English laws - then English separatists setting Scottish and Welsh laws that didn't apply to England.

    The West Lothian Question hasn't been addressed because it hasn't needed to. If you have five years of the SNP+Labour setting English-only laws that differ from the SNP's Scottish laws ... against an English majority rejecting it, that will be unsustainable.

    Otherwise come 2020 Labour will find an English bloodbath as bad as 2015 Scotland.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    "Cameron said: “What we’re doing is taking the country’s leading expert on pensions, on savings, on financial education, Ros Altmann, and saying that if we’re re-elected, she’ll be at the heart of government.”

    Steve Webb got to be a bit pissed....obviously he is a Lib Dem, but I would have thought he had earned the right to be called the country's leading expert on pensions given his record in government.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    James Kelly delights in today's Scottish Ashcroft polls:

    http://scotgoespop.blogspot.co.uk/
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    RodCrosby said:

    If SNP/Lab was a runner, but Tories had the most seats, would Miliband pass the chance, or go for it?

    Risk either way. Labour could get annihilated in England in 2020...

    Yes but he has 5 years of running the Gov't. Can gerrymander the next election a bit (Population etc)

    He wants desperately to be PM... I doubt the possible destruction of the Labour party in 2020 will stop him.

    Farron will be coming along to take a tonne of votes off his left flank in England anyway.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,044
    AndyJS said:

    James Kelly delights in today's Scottish Ashcroft polls:

    http://scotgoespop.blogspot.co.uk/

    I wonder if AndyJS will be taking another leave of absence from this site, this time not voluntarily :D:D:D
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    AndyJS said:

    James Kelly delights in today's Scottish Ashcroft polls:

    http://scotgoespop.blogspot.co.uk/

    Thought they were pretty good myself. The bettors on this site are very happy anyway.
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    isam said:

    Labour mobilising the Ukip vote in Thanet

    Will Scobie Campaign (@willscobie)
    14/04/2015 11:20
    Come to Ramsgate, Kent on Sunday (19th) with Owen Jones + help defeat Nigel Farage in 2015.
    facebook.com/events/1092250… pic.twitter.com/eY2AxgG7Lj

    I do wonder about Owen Jones and his complete lack of self awareness. One thing that won't go down well in South Thanet is a pontificating Guardian journalist with a largely negative message. It may even turn people off Will Scobie. Ohio 2004 anyone?!
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Pong said:

    trublue said:
    What I find a bit weird about this whole journalism 2.0 thingy is you get reporting like this;

    "Cameron said: “What we’re doing is taking the country’s leading expert on pensions, on savings, on financial education, Ros Altmann, and saying that if we’re re-elected, she’ll be at the heart of government.”

    When did Cameron say this? To whom?

    I can't remember him saying it. Has he even said it yet?
    The lowest common denominator assumed by the newspapers is that we're all too thick to understand that words can be written down as well as spoken, so if he didn't speak the words it didn't happen, and thus they have to write that he spoke the words, even if he didn't even write them.
    No: they're just retyping the press release. "The CEO said" is standard wording for providing a quote
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    RodCrosby said:

    If SNP/Lab was a runner, but Tories had the most seats, would Miliband pass the chance, or go for it?

    Risk either way. Labour could get annihilated in England in 2020...

    Exactly. It will either not work for five year, or the ramifications will be remarkable.

    Worst-case for Labour in the long run is a Tory English majority, SNP Scottish landslide and Labour well behind the Tories but propped up by the SNP.
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