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  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,680
    To fit the latest Ashcroft polls, I have had to change my assumption about the % of 2010 Lab voters switching to SNP from 33% to 45%. My LD and Con assumptions fit fairly well.

    But the consequence is that LD lose Ross to SNP because of SNP pickup of Lab voters.
    LD hold Berwickshire from Con by 300 votes.

    Overall, LD 2, SNP 57, Con 0, Lab 0
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,393

    Carnyx said:

    What price a Lab/Con tactical deal? Tactical votes to save Mundell and push Lamont over the line in return for tactical votes to save Murphy and A N Other?

    And a Lib Con stitch up. Give us Berwickshire and we will try to help save Mings old seat and support Jo and the Gordon candidate

    What do you think the former in particular would do to the Labour vote more widely? An extra 1-3% points in one seat isn't worth a comparable fall elsewhere. And not everyone rates Mr Murphy (as the pro-indy folk on this board pointed out months back).

    I don't know. I just musing really on what the panic might do to make some strange bedfellows! Both Lab and the Tories have squeezable chunks in third in Murphy and Mundells seats.

    What will be interesting, given that it's the Lib Dems and Labour who are suffering the demonstrable collapse in support and the Tory vote seems to be holding at ca 16-17%, is what happens swing wise in the SNP-Con straight fights from last time - Perth and North Perthshire, Angus and Banff and Buchan and perhaps Moray. Will there be a big swing here too to the SNP, or in the absence of strong Lab and Lib presence will the SNP just hold them on a small swing 'business as usual'?
    Thanks. I wasn't being critical of you, just thinking that any hint of a formal Tory-SLAB linkage might do more damage more widely than benefit locally.

    On those issues you raise, the problem I have with seeing much juice for the anti-SNP side is the ineradicable anti-Tory sentiment in about 3/4 of Scots - and waving the Union Flag only gets you so far after what Mr Cameron and the other Unionist parties did with the Vow and the Smith Commission. Remember that about 1/4 of Scots were pro-indy and about 1/2 of Scots were pro-devomax before the indyref campaign and even if you only swap those around, you still get about 3/4 of Scots anti-Tory and the same number (but not nec the same ones) anti-status quo.

    I said the other day I was wondering if many Labour supporters would actually abstain rather than vote for he Tories or SNP, and that is perhaps worth thinking about too.

  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Shall we coin a new phrase, the silent Labour voter ?
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    surbiton said:

    BenM said:

    One nation La-

    ...oh, er, wait.

    Yep,all those things labour threw at the tories,one nation,panda's and now we could have labour down in Scotland and even down in south of England(except London)

    One nation labour indeed - lol.

    What are the Tories doing in Scotland ? or, the North East ?
    At the risk of being flippant 'governing here'? Lol
    This is one hell of a messy election, I love it!
  • TabmanTabman Posts: 1,046
    TGOHF said:

    Where are the LD's supposed to get their seats from next Parliament?

    I've always assumed the LD's wouldn't lose as many seats as predicted but it seems quite plausible for them to receive either no seats or very few in Scotland. The ITV/Comres poll the other day suggested they may keep no seats in the South West, another traditional Liberal area.

    Where is looking good for the LD's?

    Cambridge.
    Ahem. ;)

  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143

    One potentially good thing about these polls is that Labour HQ might feel the focus of the next 3 weeks has to be massively increased on Scotland, diverting attention and resource away from key battles in England and Wales?

    Or is that wishful thinking on my part?

    Either way, can't help feeling from this polling that the Tories are heading for a big fat nil seats north of the border again. Which would be really undeserved with Ruth D doing sterling work, their share holding up well and a No vote achieved in the indyref. To think only last September some of us expected a Tory bounce and potentially a handful of seats in contention.

    I don't think party resources are that easy to concentrate, particularly at such short notice. These things take planning, preparatory work over a long period of time and people on the ground. Scottish Labour are rather in the position of the Sixth Army at Stalingrad - cut off, on their own, and fighting hopelessly to the inevitable bitter end.

    I think you're too negative (again) on Tory prospects. These polls show that they are in with a chance in two seats which are too close to call, and they were only 4% behind in Dumfries and Galloway in the February Ashcroft poll. That's a handful of seats in contention.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    The Glasgow SW lead has supposedly increased by 18% in 3 months. I suspect both polls were outliers at either end of the range.

    For the purposes of argument, let's call it an SNP 15% lead instead of 21%. That's still a swing of over 30%.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited April 2015
    surbiton said:

    Shall we coin a new phrase, the silent Labour voter ?

    I do still think Scottish Labour won't be decimated quite this badly, purely because we know a lot of the pro-independence voters last year were people who had never voted before (often benefit-claimants). I wouldn't be surprised if they just didn't show up on election day.

    But even factoring that in, that's not going to save many Labour seats at this rate; we're probably talking about a 10% defeat in Glasgow SW for example as opposed to a 20% rout. At the end of the day, Labour are going to need some miracle that causes a genuine swing to hold on to these types of places.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064

    BBC news featuring the strong employment figures and at the same time showing David Cameron forceful rejection of the possibility of labour being held to 'hostage'' by the SNP demanding a 'ransom' of more borrowing, higher taxes, higher welfare and threat to the national security. Last night may well prove a 'pyrrhic' victory for Ed Miliband as the agenda turns to labour's relationship with the SNP and how they will dictate to RUK. I would think Lynton Crosby is sitting back thinking 'job done' as the simple message above will be repeated ad infinitum between today and 7th May. Noticed Nigel Farage was saying much the same and you can be certain Nick Clegg will follow. How this plays out will decide the election. (Just been reported the shadow Welsh Secretary Owen Smith says he favours the abolition of Trident)

    Too much wishful thinking.

    The Tories have still had a very poor campaign. The manifesto launch was squandered and now this Lab/SNP stuff is being overblown. The issue is that Labour will come out and say no coalition and for most people that is enough. Geeks like us understand the difference between C&S and a proper coalition but regular people really don't care, for them no coalition is enough. It stores up problems for after the election, but by then Ed will have the keys to No. 10.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Any reports of crazy odds still available, evens on an ov
    Millsy said:

    A proper political earthquake, not this Ukip rumble in an ant's belly

    The SNP earthquake is helping to suppress UKIP. UKIP thrive on media coverage, the frankly astonishing rise of the SNP is focusing the lime light to the north and sucking the oxygen of publicity from Farage's lungs.
  • PeterCPeterC Posts: 1,275
    surbiton said:

    Something is not right ! We get these polls and in SPIN, the SNP is 41.5 - 43.5.

    The market does not believe the polls;

    Jack's point about named incumbents is significant; OR

    You have a fantastic opportunity!

  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    Aye, Nicola wielding a baseball bat.

    31 Mar 2015 - Jim Murphy predicts 'big and late' swing to Scottish Labour


    The man’s truly psychic..! :lol:


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11507041/Jim-Murphy-predicts-big-and-late-swing-to-Scottish-Labour.html

  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    malcolmg said:

    One potentially good thing about these polls is that Labour HQ might feel the focus of the next 3 weeks has to be massively increased on Scotland, diverting attention and resource away from key battles in England and Wales?

    Or is that wishful thinking on my part?

    Either way, can't help feeling from this polling that the Tories are heading for a big fat nil seats north of the border again. Which would be really undeserved with Ruth D doing sterling work, their share holding up well and a No vote achieved in the indyref. To think only last September some of us expected a Tory bounce and potentially a handful of seats in contention.

    Bob, take your head out of your posterior , she is another donkey. Only fantasists could have imagined the regional sockpuppets could win anything. Look at Mundell, I doubt he could run a bath, name any one of them that could get a real job, wipeout.
    Sadly real jobs are drying up in Scotland thanks to the SNP's economic incompetence.
    Shocking jobs figures for Scotland in an otherwise booming market.
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    Alistair said:

    Any reports of crazy odds still available, evens on an ov

    Millsy said:

    A proper political earthquake, not this Ukip rumble in an ant's belly

    The SNP earthquake is helping to suppress UKIP. UKIP thrive on media coverage, the frankly astonishing rise of the SNP is focusing the lime light to the north and sucking the oxygen of publicity from Farage's lungs.
    It's stealing publicity but at the same time helping UKIP in terms of people voting outside of the major parties and thinking this time it won't be a wasted vote.

  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    Con vote is down in all 8 of these Ashcroft Scottish constituency polls - contrasts with Con being broadly flat in national Scottish polls.

    So if Con is flat nationally there is scope for them to do a bit better in key seats for them.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    Genuine 3-way battle to come 2nd in Scotland now. I reckon Jo Swinson might just be worth a bet at 3/1 on this polling.

    Hhmmm . I'd like an extra point or two - 4/1 or 5/1. She may drift out on the basis on this poll.

    Realistically she needs to add about 5 more points for her name recognition and then squeeze a few points from Labour and the Conservatives tactical switching. It's a stretch but possible.

  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    antifrank said:

    The Glasgow SW lead has supposedly increased by 18% in 3 months. I suspect both polls were outliers at either end of the range.

    For the purposes of argument, let's call it an SNP 15% lead instead of 21%. That's still a swing of over 30%.
    Yes! It's the 9% swing in 3 months that's curious. I was expecting things to largely stay settled at the "new normal".
  • NemtynakhtNemtynakht Posts: 2,329
    BenM said:

    One nation La-

    ...oh, er, wait.

    Two nation Labour. England and Wales.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Sturgeon is certainly a formidable character – wouldn’t like to run into her down a dark alley, with or without her baseball bat. :)

    Aye, Nicola wielding a baseball bat.

    31 Mar 2015 - Jim Murphy predicts 'big and late' swing to Scottish Labour


    The man’s truly psychic..! :lol:


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11507041/Jim-Murphy-predicts-big-and-late-swing-to-Scottish-Labour.html

  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    What price a Lab/Con tactical deal? Tactical votes to save Mundell and push Lamont over the line in return for tactical votes to save Murphy and A N Other?

    And a Lib Con stitch up. Give us Berwickshire and we will try to help save Mings old seat and support Jo and the Gordon candidate

    What do you think the former in particular would do to the Labour vote more widely? An extra 1-3% points in one seat isn't worth a comparable fall elsewhere. And not everyone rates Mr Murphy (as the pro-indy folk on this board pointed out months back).

    I don't know. I just musing really on what the panic might do to make some strange bedfellows! Both Lab and the Tories have squeezable chunks in third in Murphy and Mundells seats.

    What will be interesting, given that it's the Lib Dems and Labour who are suffering the demonstrable collapse in support and the Tory vote seems to be holding at ca 16-17%, is what happens swing wise in the SNP-Con straight fights from last time - Perth and North Perthshire, Angus and Banff and Buchan and perhaps Moray. Will there be a big swing here too to the SNP, or in the absence of strong Lab and Lib presence will the SNP just hold them on a small swing 'business as usual'?
    Thanks. I wasn't being critical of you, just thinking that any hint of a formal Tory-SLAB linkage might do more damage more widely than benefit locally.

    On those issues you eeing much juice for the anti-SNP side is the ineradicable anti-Tory sentiment in about 3/4 of Scots - and waving the Union Flag only gets you so far after what Mr Cameron and the other Unionist parties did with the Vow and the Smith Commission. Remember that about 1/4 of Scots were pro-indy and about 1/2 of Scots were pro-devomax before the indyref campaign and even if you only swap those around, you still get about 3/4 of Scots anti-Tory and the same number (but not nec the same ones) anti-status quo.

    I said the other day I was wondering if many Labour supporters would actually abstain rather than vote for he Tories or SNP, and that is perhaps worth thinking about too.

    Yes, it's tricky. From the cons point of view, anywhere in Scotland they polled 30% last time they are in with a shot if they hold up and the rest split! but none of their seats if they achieved any would be safe holds at any stage. Scottish Toryism is essentially dead in the water and needs rebranding into a new centre right, pro Independence movement.
    As for SNP in coalition, well, this is precisely what the Unionist vote campaigned for in the referendum, for Scotland to retain a 57 seat presence in the HoC. One possible result of that at the extreme is now on the cards,
    Be careful what you wish for.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,964
    Mr. 565, if Labour were decimated in Scotland they'd be hugely relieved.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    surbiton said:

    BenM said:

    One nation La-

    ...oh, er, wait.

    Yep,all those things labour threw at the tories,one nation,panda's and now we could have labour down in Scotland and even down in south of England(except London)

    One nation labour indeed - lol.

    What are the Tories doing in Scotland ? or, the North East ?
    It was labour and miliband doing the one nation bollox.

  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited April 2015
    So come on fellow punters, what fantastic SNP bets have you managed to find on the bookies sites then as they fail to react in time?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064
    surbiton said:

    Shall we coin a new phrase, the silent Labour voter ?

    I think we will need to wait until after the election for that. Shy Tories were a factor in 1992, we know that for certain and it has been seen in subsequent elections. We have no evidence to state that the same effect exists for Labour in Scotland. These polls could be right and we're looking at a wipe out for SLAB.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Scotland Labour 2015 = Canada Tory 1993?
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    edited April 2015
    Brom said:

    Alistair said:

    Any reports of crazy odds still available, evens on an ov

    Millsy said:

    A proper political earthquake, not this Ukip rumble in an ant's belly

    The SNP earthquake is helping to suppress UKIP. UKIP thrive on media coverage, the frankly astonishing rise of the SNP is focusing the lime light to the north and sucking the oxygen of publicity from Farage's lungs.
    It's stealing publicity but at the same time helping UKIP in terms of people voting outside of the major parties and thinking this time it won't be a wasted vote.

    There was a piece the other day that pointed out that voters who are expecting a hung parliament are less likely to support Con/Lab than those that are not expecting a hung parliament.

    If the SNP story increases expectation of a hung parliament, all the minor parties could benefit.

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/04/why-all-this-talk-of-a-hung-parliament-could-be-a-self-fulfilling-prophecy/
  • DanSmithDanSmith Posts: 1,215
    Artist said:

    Also a big difference between this East Dunbartonshire poll and the Lib Dem commissioned one.

    If you take both polls at face value, would it be fair to estimate that incumbency is worth a 5% swing?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,655
    edited April 2015

    Mr. Flashman (deceased), hmm. His trial date had been set back fairly recently.

    Mr. 1000, I do wonder how the Lib Dems will fare if they're obliterated in Scotland and the south-west.

    They'll have about 20 seats, as I've forecast for quite a long time.amazingly. They'll have about 20 of the following 25 seats...:

    Bath
    Bermondsey & Old Southwark
    Birmingham Yardley (oo)
    Bradford East (o)
    Brecon & Radnorshire
    Bristol West (o)
    Caithness, Sutherland & Easter Ross (o)
    Cambridge
    Carshalton & Wallington
    Ceridigion
    Colchester
    Eastleigh (o)
    Eastbourne
    Hazel Grove
    Horney & Wood Green (oo)
    Kingston & Surbiton (o)
    Lewes
    Orkney & Shetland
    Twickenham
    Sheffield Hallam
    Sutton & Cheam
    Watford (oo)
    Westmoreland and Lonsdale
    Yeovil

    o = Might well not be held
    oo = An outside shot
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,964
    Mr. Woolie, pro-independence? Surely pro-union?
  • MaxPB said:

    BBC news featuring the strong employment figures and at the same time showing David Cameron forceful rejection of the possibility of labour being held to 'hostage'' by the SNP demanding a 'ransom' of more borrowing, higher taxes, higher welfare and threat to the national security. Last night may well prove a 'pyrrhic' victory for Ed Miliband as the agenda turns to labour's relationship with the SNP and how they will dictate to RUK. I would think Lynton Crosby is sitting back thinking 'job done' as the simple message above will be repeated ad infinitum between today and 7th May. Noticed Nigel Farage was saying much the same and you can be certain Nick Clegg will follow. How this plays out will decide the election. (Just been reported the shadow Welsh Secretary Owen Smith says he favours the abolition of Trident)

    Too much wishful thinking.

    The Tories have still had a very poor campaign. The manifesto launch was squandered and now this Lab/SNP stuff is being overblown. The issue is that Labour will come out and say no coalition and for most people that is enough. Geeks like us understand the difference between C&S and a proper coalition but regular people really don't care, for them no coalition is enough. It stores up problems for after the election, but by then Ed will have the keys to No. 10.
    With the greatest of respect I don't think it's me that is doing the wishful thinking. While the conservative campaign has been poor to date the real concentration on minds begins now with all the schools back from Easter.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    malcolmg said:

    Speedy said:

    MikeL said:

    If Murphy loses will he have to resign as SLab leader?

    Because he won't be a member of any Parliament - which I think is a requirement under the leadership rules.

    LOL.

    I hope so, James Kelly is the one who fits the bill as a capable SLAB leader.
    And I was one of the very few here that predicted that Murphy was going to bomb, so my opinion on this might carry a little more weight than others who predicted that Murphy was going to be the next leader of the Labour party.
    Anybody who had any clue would have known Murphy was toast, his back stabbing of Lamont , being a right winger and generally being very unpopular in Scotland made it a certainty. Fact he is useless to boot helped.

    PS Kelly is not even Donkey level.
    Kelly fits the profile of a SLAB leader like a glove, he is a Glasgow MSP and his area is law and infrastructure, his profile is good if you want to fight the SNP on grounds of lefty localism.

    http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/msps/currentmsps/James-Kelly-MSP.aspx

    But we don't have to wait long to see if he's up for the job or not:
    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/james-kelly-msp-happy-new-4856504

    "Rutherglen MSP James Kelly has been handed to task of leading the Labour campaign for the 2016 Scottish Elections."
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    edited April 2015
    Alistair said:

    So come on fellow punters, what fantastic SNP bets have you managed to find on the bookies sites then as they fail to react in time?

    I went £20 @ 9-4 against Murphy.

    I can't afford any more.

    These Ashcroft polls have cleaned me out lol
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    In this week's telephone subsamples, Scottish Labour have been 19 with Comres, 13 with Ipsos, 12 with ICM and 16 with Lord A.

    In these seats alone, Labour has lost the following percentage of 2010 voters:

    DC and T: 31%
    RS and L: 60%
    NE Fife: 47%
    East dunbartonshire: 53%
    B,R and S: 10%
    East renfrew: 40%
    Glasgow SE: 46%
    Paisley: 35%

    Labour in the low 20s looks more likely than the high 20s numbers being seen in some of the net polling.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    Mr. Woolie, pro-independence? Surely pro-union?

    No, the centre right in Scotland will only prosper gain when it sheds the Tory label and sheds Unionism. The writing is on the wall, it's time to plan for a future apart.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091

    Mr. 565, if Labour were decimated in Scotland they'd be hugely relieved.

    :D
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    SeanT said:

    Alistair said:

    Any reports of crazy odds still available, evens on an ov

    Millsy said:

    A proper political earthquake, not this Ukip rumble in an ant's belly

    The SNP earthquake is helping to suppress UKIP. UKIP thrive on media coverage, the frankly astonishing rise of the SNP is focusing the lime light to the north and sucking the oxygen of publicity from Farage's lungs.
    Meh. UKIP are still very likely to get over 10% of the vote (i.e. twice that of the Nats, and possibly more than the LDS) thus coming THIRD in vote share,

    That is an earthquake of its own. UKIP were trivially insignificant in 2010. Not any more. And they will have a few MPs, too.

    In the face of a pathetic Miliband-Sturgeon non-Coalition, milking the English taxpayer, the vehemently English UKIP could prosper, mightily.

    They have every reason to be optimistic in the medium term even as they face squalls right now. Remember they are following the electoral path the Nats have already established. From joke to irritant to player to government.
    The UKIP bubble will pop just as surely as the BNP bubble before it.

    A Miliband-Sturgeon non-coalition will see the (non-extremist) right unite behind the Conservatives under a new leader, not the party with 4 seats if they're lucky.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,655
    JackW said:

    Genuine 3-way battle to come 2nd in Scotland now. I reckon Jo Swinson might just be worth a bet at 3/1 on this polling.

    Hhmmm . I'd like an extra point or two - 4/1 or 5/1. She may drift out on the basis on this poll.

    Realistically she needs to add about 5 more points for her name recognition and then squeeze a few points from Labour and the Conservatives tactical switching. It's a stretch but possible.

    It's not impossible to think the LibDems could get four seats in Scotland

    Jo (20% chance)
    The good Viscount (33% chance)
    BR&S (33% chance)
    Orkney & Shetland (80% chance)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,655
    rcs1000 said:

    JackW said:

    Genuine 3-way battle to come 2nd in Scotland now. I reckon Jo Swinson might just be worth a bet at 3/1 on this polling.

    Hhmmm . I'd like an extra point or two - 4/1 or 5/1. She may drift out on the basis on this poll.

    Realistically she needs to add about 5 more points for her name recognition and then squeeze a few points from Labour and the Conservatives tactical switching. It's a stretch but possible.

    It's not impossible to think the LibDems could get four seats in Scotland

    Jo (20% chance)
    The good Viscount (33% chance)
    BR&S (33% chance)
    Orkney & Shetland (80% chance)
    In fact, it's not impossible that the LibDems could be SIXTH in Scotland (behind SNP, Lab, Con, UKIP, Green) in terms of vote share, but could be the only party other than the SNP with a seat in the country.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Alistair said:

    So come on fellow punters, what fantastic SNP bets have you managed to find on the bookies sites then as they fail to react in time?

    I got £100 on the SNP at 9/4 in East Renfrewshire with BetFred.

    You can still get 11/10 on the SNP in Glasgow South West with BoyleSports. Not too shabby for a 21% poll lead, I'd say.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,964
    For F1/Star Wars fans:

    https://twitter.com/Mattzel89/status/588787038519963648

    Mr. Woolie, an English Parliament could yet rectify the situation. I suspect it won't, because the left want to fiddle fiefdoms and the Conservatives appear afraid of emasculating Westminster. But it could.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    JackW said:

    Genuine 3-way battle to come 2nd in Scotland now. I reckon Jo Swinson might just be worth a bet at 3/1 on this polling.

    Hhmmm . I'd like an extra point or two - 4/1 or 5/1. She may drift out on the basis on this poll.

    Realistically she needs to add about 5 more points for her name recognition and then squeeze a few points from Labour and the Conservatives tactical switching. It's a stretch but possible.

    It's not impossible to think the LibDems could get four seats in Scotland

    Jo (20% chance)
    The good Viscount (33% chance)
    BR&S (33% chance)
    Orkney & Shetland (80% chance)
    In fact, it's not impossible that the LibDems could be SIXTH in Scotland (behind SNP, Lab, Con, UKIP, Green) in terms of vote share, but could be the only party other than the SNP with a seat in the country.
    The LD's are very fortunate that we have FPTP now.

    If we operated on PR with a 5% threshold then the LD's would have as many seats next month as the FDP have in the Bundestag.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415

    real concentration on minds begins now with all the schools back from Easter.

    The good old "Easter" - as bad as bob Sykes forecasting sub 30 for the CONs :P
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    For F1/Star Wars fans:

    https://twitter.com/Mattzel89/status/588787038519963648

    Mr. Woolie, an English Parliament could yet rectify the situation. I suspect it won't, because the left want to fiddle fiefdoms and the Conservatives appear afraid of emasculating Westminster. But it could.

    In England and for the retention of the UK, yes. But the Cons are going nowhere in Scotland and will not again IMO.
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,067
    Devastating polls for Labour.

    Yes, we all knew they were going to take a beating but what's indicated in these polls is truly unbelievable

    I expected SNP 47, Lab 12 at the GE. I might have to revise that to SNP 59, Others 0!
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,655
    Charles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    BR&S is going to be VERY interesting on the night.
    Glad I'm short Kennedy. And what a sad way for his career to end.

    All political careers end in failure.
    A broken drunkard losing his seat by a massive margin, ignored by all.

    Incredibly sad,
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,655
    SeanT said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Mr. Flashman (deceased), hmm. His trial date had been set back fairly recently.

    Mr. 1000, I do wonder how the Lib Dems will fare if they're obliterated in Scotland and the south-west.

    They'll have about 20 seats, as I've forecast for quite a long time.amazingly. They'll have about 20 of the following 25 seats...:

    Bath
    Bermondsey & Old Southwark
    Birmingham Yardley (oo)
    Bradford East (o)
    Brecon & Radnorshire
    Bristol West (o)
    Caithness, Sutherland & Easter Ross (o)
    Cambridge
    Carshalton & Wallington
    Ceridigion
    Colchester
    Eastleigh (o)
    Eastbourne
    Hazel Grove
    Horney & Wood Green (oo)
    Kingston & Surbiton (o)
    Lewes
    Orkney & Shetland
    Twickenham
    Sheffield Hallam
    Sutton & Cheam
    Watford (oo)
    Westmoreland and Lonsdale
    Yeovil

    o = Might well not be held
    oo = An outside shot
    None in Cornwall? That implies a Tory clean sweep. Much as I'd like to see that, I don't see that.
    There will be a massacre of LibDems in the South West.
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    rcs1000 said:

    Mr. Flashman (deceased), hmm. His trial date had been set back fairly recently.

    Mr. 1000, I do wonder how the Lib Dems will fare if they're obliterated in Scotland and the south-west.

    They'll have about 20 seats, as I've forecast for quite a long time.amazingly. They'll have about 20 of the following 25 seats...:

    Bath
    Bermondsey & Old Southwark
    Birmingham Yardley (oo)
    Bradford East (o)
    Brecon & Radnorshire
    Bristol West (o)
    Caithness, Sutherland & Easter Ross (o)
    Cambridge
    Carshalton & Wallington
    Ceridigion
    Colchester
    Eastleigh (o)
    Eastbourne
    Hazel Grove
    Horney & Wood Green (oo)
    Kingston & Surbiton (o)
    Lewes
    Orkney & Shetland
    Twickenham
    Sheffield Hallam
    Sutton & Cheam
    Watford (oo)
    Westmoreland and Lonsdale
    Yeovil

    o = Might well not be held
    oo = An outside shot
    Steve Webb in T and Yate?
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Coral have gone 50.5 on the SNP. Bold.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,655
    welshowl said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Mr. Flashman (deceased), hmm. His trial date had been set back fairly recently.

    Mr. 1000, I do wonder how the Lib Dems will fare if they're obliterated in Scotland and the south-west.

    They'll have about 20 seats, as I've forecast for quite a long time.amazingly. They'll have about 20 of the following 25 seats...:

    Bath
    Bermondsey & Old Southwark
    Birmingham Yardley (oo)
    Bradford East (o)
    Brecon & Radnorshire
    Bristol West (o)
    Caithness, Sutherland & Easter Ross (o)
    Cambridge
    Carshalton & Wallington
    Ceridigion
    Colchester
    Eastleigh (o)
    Eastbourne
    Hazel Grove
    Horney & Wood Green (oo)
    Kingston & Surbiton (o)
    Lewes
    Orkney & Shetland
    Twickenham
    Sheffield Hallam
    Sutton & Cheam
    Watford (oo)
    Westmoreland and Lonsdale
    Yeovil

    o = Might well not be held
    oo = An outside shot
    Steve Webb in T and Yate?
    I only listed 24, he's number 25 :-)

    I'd reckon the Libs to hold 18 to 22 of my list of 25.
    There may be one or two outside the list.

    But I'd be surprised.

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @SamCoatesTimes: Tonight at midnight, one of the main political parties will announce a ministerial appointment in the next government (if they win). Gosh.
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    edited April 2015

    SeanT said:

    Alistair said:

    Any reports of crazy odds still available, evens on an ov

    Millsy said:

    A proper political earthquake, not this Ukip rumble in an ant's belly

    The SNP earthquake is helping to suppress UKIP. UKIP thrive on media coverage, the frankly astonishing rise of the SNP is focusing the lime light to the north and sucking the oxygen of publicity from Farage's lungs.
    Meh. UKIP are still very likely to get over 10% of the vote (i.e. twice that of the Nats, and possibly more than the LDS) thus coming THIRD in vote share,

    That is an earthquake of its own. UKIP were trivially insignificant in 2010. Not any more. And they will have a few MPs, too.

    In the face of a pathetic Miliband-Sturgeon non-Coalition, milking the English taxpayer, the vehemently English UKIP could prosper, mightily.

    They have every reason to be optimistic in the medium term even as they face squalls right now. Remember they are following the electoral path the Nats have already established. From joke to irritant to player to government.
    The UKIP bubble will pop just as surely as the BNP bubble before it.

    A Miliband-Sturgeon non-coalition will see the (non-extremist) right unite behind the Conservatives under a new leader, not the party with 4 seats if they're lucky.
    Which of UKIP's policies do you consider extreme?

    http://www.ukip.org/ukip_manifesto_summary
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,655

    SeanT said:

    Alistair said:

    Any reports of crazy odds still available, evens on an ov

    Millsy said:

    A proper political earthquake, not this Ukip rumble in an ant's belly

    The SNP earthquake is helping to suppress UKIP. UKIP thrive on media coverage, the frankly astonishing rise of the SNP is focusing the lime light to the north and sucking the oxygen of publicity from Farage's lungs.
    Meh. UKIP are still very likely to get over 10% of the vote (i.e. twice that of the Nats, and possibly more than the LDS) thus coming THIRD in vote share,

    That is an earthquake of its own. UKIP were trivially insignificant in 2010. Not any more. And they will have a few MPs, too.

    In the face of a pathetic Miliband-Sturgeon non-Coalition, milking the English taxpayer, the vehemently English UKIP could prosper, mightily.

    They have every reason to be optimistic in the medium term even as they face squalls right now. Remember they are following the electoral path the Nats have already established. From joke to irritant to player to government.
    The UKIP bubble will pop just as surely as the BNP bubble before it.

    A Miliband-Sturgeon non-coalition will see the (non-extremist) right unite behind the Conservatives under a new leader, not the party with 4 seats if they're lucky.
    Which of UKIP's policies do you consider extreme?

    http://www.ukip.org/manifesto2015
    "Now, there is something to vote for, if you believe in Britain."

    That doesn't make sense, syntactically, to me.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: Tonight at midnight, one of the main political parties will announce a ministerial appointment in the next government (if they win). Gosh.

    It's getting a bit Kinnock of Sheffield. 'As Prime Minister, We're Alrigghhtt!'
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    JackW said:

    Genuine 3-way battle to come 2nd in Scotland now. I reckon Jo Swinson might just be worth a bet at 3/1 on this polling.

    Hhmmm . I'd like an extra point or two - 4/1 or 5/1. She may drift out on the basis on this poll.

    Realistically she needs to add about 5 more points for her name recognition and then squeeze a few points from Labour and the Conservatives tactical switching. It's a stretch but possible.

    It's not impossible to think the LibDems could get four seats in Scotland

    Jo (20% chance)
    The good Viscount (33% chance)
    BR&S (33% chance)
    Orkney & Shetland (80% chance)
    In fact, it's not impossible that the LibDems could be SIXTH in Scotland (behind SNP, Lab, Con, UKIP, Green) in terms of vote share, but could be the only party other than the SNP with a seat in the country.
    Possible rather than probable.

    I think it likely that incumbents will considerably outperform the polls and that will ensure SNP fail in up to 20 seats. We may also see the Unionist parties tactical voting for the best candidate to deprive the SNP. Probably worth several points and may edge some tight calls into the Unionist column.

    That said the SNP are in for an excellent FPTP performance.

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,964
    After getting literally one positive comment about the Conservative Prayer a few weeks ago, I thought Labour might like one.

    Our leader,
    who art in Doncaster,
    hallowed be thy energy freeze,
    give us this day our bacon sandwiches,
    and forgive us our smears, as we forgive those who smear against us,
    and lead us not into opposition (again),
    but deliver us from the SNP,
    for thine is the Labour Party,
    until you lose an election,
    amen.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,780
    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: Tonight at midnight, one of the main political parties will announce a ministerial appointment in the next government (if they win). Gosh.

    eh? what? why would anyone do that, unless it's something 'special'?
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: Tonight at midnight, one of the main political parties will announce a ministerial appointment in the next government (if they win). Gosh.

    Ed's making Nicola PM?
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    rcs1000 said:

    welshowl said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Mr. Flashman (deceased), hmm. His trial date had been set back fairly recently.

    Mr. 1000, I do wonder how the Lib Dems will fare if they're obliterated in Scotland and the south-west.

    They'll have about 20 seats, as I've forecast for quite a long time.amazingly. They'll have about 20 of the following 25 seats...:

    Bath
    Bermondsey & Old Southwark
    Birmingham Yardley (oo)
    Bradford East (o)
    Brecon & Radnorshire
    Bristol West (o)
    Caithness, Sutherland & Easter Ross (o)
    Cambridge
    Carshalton & Wallington
    Ceridigion
    Colchester
    Eastleigh (o)
    Eastbourne
    Hazel Grove
    Horney & Wood Green (oo)
    Kingston & Surbiton (o)
    Lewes
    Orkney & Shetland
    Twickenham
    Sheffield Hallam
    Sutton & Cheam
    Watford (oo)
    Westmoreland and Lonsdale
    Yeovil

    o = Might well not be held
    oo = An outside shot
    Steve Webb in T and Yate?
    I only listed 24, he's number 25 :-)

    I'd reckon the Libs to hold 18 to 22 of my list of 25.
    There may be one or two outside the list.

    But I'd be surprised.

    His majority is nearly 15%. Geez, really could be electoral yellow blood on carpet!
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:

    Alistair said:

    Any reports of crazy odds still available, evens on an ov

    Millsy said:

    A proper political earthquake, not this Ukip rumble in an ant's belly

    The SNP earthquake is helping to suppress UKIP. UKIP thrive on media coverage, the frankly astonishing rise of the SNP is focusing the lime light to the north and sucking the oxygen of publicity from Farage's lungs.
    Meh. UKIP are still very likely to get over 10% of the vote (i.e. twice that of the Nats, and possibly more than the LDS) thus coming THIRD in vote share,

    That is an earthquake of its own. UKIP were trivially insignificant in 2010. Not any more. And they will have a few MPs, too.

    In the face of a pathetic Miliband-Sturgeon non-Coalition, milking the English taxpayer, the vehemently English UKIP could prosper, mightily.

    They have every reason to be optimistic in the medium term even as they face squalls right now. Remember they are following the electoral path the Nats have already established. From joke to irritant to player to government.
    The UKIP bubble will pop just as surely as the BNP bubble before it.

    A Miliband-Sturgeon non-coalition will see the (non-extremist) right unite behind the Conservatives under a new leader, not the party with 4 seats if they're lucky.
    Which of UKIP's policies do you consider extreme?

    http://www.ukip.org/manifesto2015
    "Now, there is something to vote for, if you believe in Britain."

    That doesn't make sense, syntactically, to me.

    Suffering from too many re-drafts.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Boris - Secretary of State for Scotland?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,505

    malcolmg said:

    One potentially good thing about these polls is that Labour HQ might feel the focus of the next 3 weeks has to be massively increased on Scotland, diverting attention and resource away from key battles in England and Wales?

    Or is that wishful thinking on my part?

    Either way, can't help feeling from this polling that the Tories are heading for a big fat nil seats north of the border again. Which would be really undeserved with Ruth D doing sterling work, their share holding up well and a No vote achieved in the indyref. To think only last September some of us expected a Tory bounce and potentially a handful of seats in contention.

    Bob, take your head out of your posterior , she is another donkey. Only fantasists could have imagined the regional sockpuppets could win anything. Look at Mundell, I doubt he could run a bath, name any one of them that could get a real job, wipeout.
    Sadly real jobs are drying up in Scotland thanks to the SNP's economic incompetence.
    Shocking jobs figures for Scotland in an otherwise booming market.
    Doomed I tell you Doomed , the only boom is the one in your head
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,655
    welshowl said:


    His majority is nearly 15%. Geez, really could be electoral yellow blood on carpet!

    What's really amazing is that there will be a LibDem bloodbath... but it is still likely they will have 10x the number of seats of UKIP and will have more seats they had in 1983 or 1987.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    chestnut said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: Tonight at midnight, one of the main political parties will announce a ministerial appointment in the next government (if they win). Gosh.

    Ed's making Nicola PM?
    Nicola's making Ed DPM.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    Coral have gone 50.5 on the SNP. Bold.

    I've just taken the 5/6 with Titan Bet for over 43.5 seats for the SNP.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,780
    chestnut said:

    Boris - Secretary of State for Scotland?

    Was thinking of a role for Boris, but Boris surely has eyes on the leadership, so why would he tie himself to anything Cameron does?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,505
    SeanT said:

    I for one welcome our new Scottish overlords. Perhaps they will give us starveling north Londoners free neeps. And a tattie.

    You better start being nice to us
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: Tonight at midnight, one of the main political parties will announce a ministerial appointment in the next government (if they win). Gosh.

    eh? what? why would anyone do that, unless it's something 'special'?
    If it is labour,Blair anyone ;-)

  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Labourlist feeling the heat.

    The latest Ashcroft poll of Scottish seats is more than a mere earthquake – it’s a cataclysm.

    http://labourlist.org/2015/04/the-latest-ashcroft-poll-of-scottish-seats-is-more-than-a-mere-earthquake-its-a-cataclysm/
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,655

    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:

    Alistair said:

    Any reports of crazy odds still available, evens on an ov

    Millsy said:

    A proper political earthquake, not this Ukip rumble in an ant's belly

    The SNP earthquake is helping to suppress UKIP. UKIP thrive on media coverage, the frankly astonishing rise of the SNP is focusing the lime light to the north and sucking the oxygen of publicity from Farage's lungs.
    Meh. UKIP are still very likely to get over 10% of the vote (i.e. twice that of the Nats, and possibly more than the LDS) thus coming THIRD in vote share,

    That is an earthquake of its own. UKIP were trivially insignificant in 2010. Not any more. And they will have a few MPs, too.

    In the face of a pathetic Miliband-Sturgeon non-Coalition, milking the English taxpayer, the vehemently English UKIP could prosper, mightily.

    They have every reason to be optimistic in the medium term even as they face squalls right now. Remember they are following the electoral path the Nats have already established. From joke to irritant to player to government.
    The UKIP bubble will pop just as surely as the BNP bubble before it.

    A Miliband-Sturgeon non-coalition will see the (non-extremist) right unite behind the Conservatives under a new leader, not the party with 4 seats if they're lucky.
    Which of UKIP's policies do you consider extreme?

    http://www.ukip.org/manifesto2015
    "Now, there is something to vote for, if you believe in Britain."

    That doesn't make sense, syntactically, to me.

    Suffering from too many re-drafts.
    Also, I believe in Saudi Arabia. I am sure it exists. But I don't want to support it.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,964
    F1: possible Perez penalty.

    Vettel had a brake failure, then Perez took his front wing off.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    malcolmg said:

    SeanT said:

    I for one welcome our new Scottish overlords. Perhaps they will give us starveling north Londoners free neeps. And a tattie.

    You better start being nice to us
    Shove it up your erchie, Scotchman.
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746

    chestnut said:

    Boris - Secretary of State for Scotland?

    Was thinking of a role for Boris, but Boris surely has eyes on the leadership, so why would he tie himself to anything Cameron does?
    Daniel Hannan as Foreign Secretary?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,655

    chestnut said:

    Boris - Secretary of State for Scotland?

    Was thinking of a role for Boris, but Boris surely has eyes on the leadership, so why would he tie himself to anything Cameron does?
    Daniel Hannan as Foreign Secretary?
    He's not standing to be an MP is he?
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: Tonight at midnight, one of the main political parties will announce a ministerial appointment in the next government (if they win). Gosh.

    Why would anyone do this? Hubris/tempting fate etc etc......
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,393

    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: Tonight at midnight, one of the main political parties will announce a ministerial appointment in the next government (if they win). Gosh.

    eh? what? why would anyone do that, unless it's something 'special'?
    If it is labour,Blair anyone ;-)

    Or Mr Brown as SoS for Scotland? Doesn't make sense given his retirement - but it may be something of the ilk: a de-Murphifying move to try and regain the initiative in Scotland.

  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,505

    malcolmg said:

    SeanT said:

    I for one welcome our new Scottish overlords. Perhaps they will give us starveling north Londoners free neeps. And a tattie.

    You better start being nice to us
    Shove it up your erchie, Scotchman.
    We know who will be doing the shoving though
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341

    chestnut said:

    Boris - Secretary of State for Scotland?

    Was thinking of a role for Boris, but Boris surely has eyes on the leadership, so why would he tie himself to anything Cameron does?
    In the absence of a coalition, all the LD job spots would be up for grabs.

  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,803
    Rotherham council, the South Yorkshire plods and the CPS must form a critical mass of unfitness for purpose:

    ' A woman was arrested and held in a police cell for six hours after pruning overhanging branches from a neighbour’s tree.

    Karen Gaynor was detained, charged with criminal damage and spent seven months on bail after prosecutors decided she had cut the conifer back too much, in a boundary dispute with her neighbour.

    Rotherham Magistrates’ Court took just 15 minutes to clear the 53-year-old mother of two after instead deciding she had acted with good intentions.

    Speaking after her trial, she said she was “disgusted” at her treatment by the police and council.

    Ms Gaynor said: "I'm delighted and relieved with the result but disgusted at how I have been treated."

    She added that after the child sex abuse scandal which has struck Rotherham in recent months, “to think that the police and council have the time, money and resources to waste on such a silly thing as a tree, is disgusting." '

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/11544322/Woman-arrested-held-in-cell-for-six-hours-and-put-on-trial-for-over-pruning-tree.html
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,655
    I'm hearing there may be a done deal in Greece. More when I have it.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    Labourlist feeling the heat.

    The latest Ashcroft poll of Scottish seats is more than a mere earthquake – it’s a cataclysm.

    http://labourlist.org/2015/04/the-latest-ashcroft-poll-of-scottish-seats-is-more-than-a-mere-earthquake-its-a-cataclysm/

    Even in that post, the river in Egypt makes an appearance:

    "For what it’s worth, I still don’t expect Labour to be wiped out in Scotland to the extent that Ashcroft’s polls suggest. Those campaigning for Scottish Labour on the ground – hardened by a gruelling independence campaign – believe that seats like Alexander’s and Murphy’s will still be held. Certainly they remain more in play than this poll would suggest. "
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    rcs1000 said:

    chestnut said:

    Boris - Secretary of State for Scotland?

    Was thinking of a role for Boris, but Boris surely has eyes on the leadership, so why would he tie himself to anything Cameron does?
    Daniel Hannan as Foreign Secretary?
    He's not standing to be an MP is he?
    Does that matter? No-one elected Lord Sainsbury and he was a government minister.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,803
    I hope after yesterday nobody is still naive enough to expect prosecutions over the Westminster child abuse scandal.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    As a reminder basic SMAPS predicts 57 SNP seats with only Orkney&Shetland and Dumfries&Galloway staying LD and Lab respectively.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Carnyx said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: Tonight at midnight, one of the main political parties will announce a ministerial appointment in the next government (if they win). Gosh.

    eh? what? why would anyone do that, unless it's something 'special'?
    If it is labour,Blair anyone ;-)

    Or Mr Brown as SoS for Scotland? Doesn't make sense given his retirement - but it may be something of the ilk: a de-Murphifying move to try and regain the initiative in Scotland.

    It's probably Labour and the only reason I can think of why they think they need to make that announcement is scotland.

    So Brown in the cabinet is probably a reasonable guess.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064
    rcs1000 said:

    I'm hearing there may be a done deal in Greece. More when I have it.

    Interesting, clearly I left the office too early!
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,655

    rcs1000 said:

    chestnut said:

    Boris - Secretary of State for Scotland?

    Was thinking of a role for Boris, but Boris surely has eyes on the leadership, so why would he tie himself to anything Cameron does?
    Daniel Hannan as Foreign Secretary?
    He's not standing to be an MP is he?
    Does that matter? No-one elected Lord Sainsbury and he was a government minister.
    He wasn't Foreign Secretary, though.

    And presumably Hannan couldn't continue to be an MEP if he was a member of the House of Lords and a member of government.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    rcs1000 said:

    I'm hearing there may be a done deal in Greece. More when I have it.

    SNP gain Athens & the Borders

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    Betting Post

    Jo Swinson's private polling may have been well dodgy, but incumbency and a bit of tactical unionist voting makes her worth a punt at 5-1.

    I've taken the max at Coral (£25) on this and have succesfully covered the gap in my book after taking an atrocious 1-2 on Labour there last year (And SNP 50-1)
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    The SPIN SNP/LD supremacy market now handsomely in profit since it reopened
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    chestnut said:

    Boris - Secretary of State for Scotland?

    Was thinking of a role for Boris, but Boris surely has eyes on the leadership, so why would he tie himself to anything Cameron does?
    Daniel Hannan as Foreign Secretary?
    He's not standing to be an MP is he?
    Does that matter? No-one elected Lord Sainsbury and he was a government minister.
    He wasn't Foreign Secretary, though.

    And presumably Hannan couldn't continue to be an MEP if he was a member of the House of Lords and a member of government.
    His job would presumably be negotiating the UK's departure from the EU. Much more fun than being an MEP.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,393
    Speedy said:

    Carnyx said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: Tonight at midnight, one of the main political parties will announce a ministerial appointment in the next government (if they win). Gosh.

    eh? what? why would anyone do that, unless it's something 'special'?
    If it is labour,Blair anyone ;-)

    Or Mr Brown as SoS for Scotland? Doesn't make sense given his retirement - but it may be something of the ilk: a de-Murphifying move to try and regain the initiative in Scotland.

    It's probably Labour and the only reason I can think of why they think they need to make that announcement is scotland.

    So Brown in the cabinet is probably a reasonable guess.
    Hmm. This might, then, turn out to be prescient, from a few days ago:

    http://www.thenational.scot/cartoon/the-strip-april-13.3
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,655

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    chestnut said:

    Boris - Secretary of State for Scotland?

    Was thinking of a role for Boris, but Boris surely has eyes on the leadership, so why would he tie himself to anything Cameron does?
    Daniel Hannan as Foreign Secretary?
    He's not standing to be an MP is he?
    Does that matter? No-one elected Lord Sainsbury and he was a government minister.
    He wasn't Foreign Secretary, though.

    And presumably Hannan couldn't continue to be an MEP if he was a member of the House of Lords and a member of government.
    His job would presumably be negotiating the UK's departure from the EU. Much more fun than being an MEP.
    That's not going to happen without a referendum.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: Tonight at midnight, one of the main political parties will announce a ministerial appointment in the next government (if they win). Gosh.

    UKIP.

    UKIP because of the timing. Midnight makes no sense for a news release because everyone is asleep, and it is too late for the first editions.

    It is too late for the first editions. That, I think, is the key. Midnight is when newspapers publish their own scoops -- because if they ran it in their first edition, all the other papers can nick it for their own later editions. Which party has just taken a million quid from a newspaper proprietor? UKIP. QED.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    The UKIP bubble will pop just as surely as the BNP bubble before it.

    A Miliband-Sturgeon non-coalition will see the (non-extremist) right unite behind the Conservatives under a new leader, not the party with 4 seats if they're lucky.

    Which of UKIP's policies do you consider extreme?

    http://www.ukip.org/ukip_manifesto_summary I'm not reading a 72 page manifesto.

    But just from skimming it:

    1: A five year moratorium on unskilled migration (at a time we're nearing full employment).
    2: Leaving the EU (the proposed question on the referendum is absurdly biased)
    3: Opposing TTIP (free trade agreement with the USA).

    To start with.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited April 2015
    rcs1000 said:

    I'm hearing there may be a done deal in Greece. More when I have it.

    At lunchtime the only update I got was the Greek FinM threatening to default on foreign loans if the europeans don't pay up.

    Perhaps what you are hearing maybe related to this:
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-04-17/greek-creditors-search-for-scenarios-to-prevent-euro-exit?cmpid=twtr1

    But basically the problem is pension cuts and tax increases that the EU is demanding. Even the slightest EU demand cannot probably pass the greek parliament much less the current demands.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,500

    F1: possible Perez penalty.

    Vettel had a brake failure, then Perez took his front wing off.

    It wasn't Perez's fault IMHO. Finger-boy should grow up.

    But Raik, Hami and the Red Bull should get a penalty for what they did in the pit lane, again IMHO. ;-)

    But you can guarantee that the opposite would happen, given my track record and deciphering on-track incidents.
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    chestnut said:

    Boris - Secretary of State for Scotland?

    Was thinking of a role for Boris, but Boris surely has eyes on the leadership, so why would he tie himself to anything Cameron does?
    Daniel Hannan as Foreign Secretary?
    He's not standing to be an MP is he?
    Does that matter? No-one elected Lord Sainsbury and he was a government minister.
    He wasn't Foreign Secretary, though.

    And presumably Hannan couldn't continue to be an MEP if he was a member of the House of Lords and a member of government.
    His job would presumably be negotiating the UK's departure from the EU. Much more fun than being an MEP.
    That's not going to happen without a referendum.
    Pfft. That was yesterday. The Tories have an election to win!

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