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  • nu123nu123 Posts: 25
    first
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,387
    Clonton Vs Bush Redux!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,300
    Forty-fifth.
  • play her at 78 not 45.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,135
    It's that time of the week again - the Sunil on Sunday ELBOW (Electoral Leader-Board Of the Week), week-ending 12th April!

    Labour bounce back into the lead in this week's ELBOW, after a Tory lead of 0.4% last week.

    12 polls with fieldwork end-dates 5th-11th April, sample 14,570

    Lab 34.3% (+0.5)
    Con 33.1 (-1.0)
    UKIP 13.7 (nc)
    LD 8.2 (+0.2)
    Green 4.9 (+0.1)

    Lab lead 1.2% (+1.6)

    * Biggest Lab lead since 15th February, and their highest ELBOW score since Xmas week - another holiday period!
    * Lowest Con ELBOW score since 9th March!
    * Biggest LD score since 24th August 2014!
    * UKIP's slow decline halted for now (13.7 two weeks in a row), but still below where they were at end of August 2014
    * Greens' decline also halted, but still below where they were in late October 2014

    Will this post-Easter bounce for Lab last, or will the previous trend of ever-smaller Lab leads and nascent Tory lead return next week?
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    Nothing seems to have been leaked about the Labour manifesto, so there's probably nothing new of note in it that we don't already know about.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    o/t. Had a look at a Labour leaflet from Halifax. Firstly it has no mention of Ed Miliband, but then that is not unusual. But didn't have anything which it made references to voters from West Yorkshire, instead had concerned people from North Warwickshire and Harrow in the photos. It could have been from anywhere else in the UK.

    Struck me as an odd way to keep the troops happy in a marginal seat. Perhaps the Labour ground war is weak, or divided.

    No sign of any colours in windows or on estate agent type posts - though two Conservative billboards - one with Ed in Salmond's pocket.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,711
    Curtice says Labour on 302 with 30 losses to the SNP, and the LDs on 20. That would mean something like 60+ direct gains by Labour from Conservative.

    That seems somewhat unlikely.
  • YouGov Times poll

    43% of voters said that the health service would get worse under a Tory government, compared with 25% for Labour.

    39% said that it would improve under Labour, while 24 % disagreed.

    So on a net basis

    +14% say the NHS would improve under Lab, -19% for the Tories
  • No value in the Democrat betting market. Hillary should win but always some risk in a political campaign - exactly as the odds say. Value is in selling Bush on the GOP market. He hasn't set it alight and doesn't justify frontrunner status. Lacks the folksy charm of his brother, whilst possessing the troublesome name.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    TSE ‏@TSEofPB 3m3 minutes ago
    YouGov Times poll

    43% of voters said that the health service would get worse under a Tory government, compared with 25% for Labour.

    39% said that it would improve under Lab, while 24 % disagreed. +14% say the NHS would improve under Lab, -19% for the Tories
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,589
    Labour on around 300 seems at the upper end of the possible, but I'd put it as more likely than the Tories getting to the same level, unsurprisingly.

    Hillary win would be boring if it's too easy. Let us hope it is not.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Nick Sutton ✔ @suttonnick

    Monday's Guardian front page -
    Labour’s big promise: no extra borrowing
    #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/trfvIVSY07

  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    YouGov Times poll

    43% of voters said that the health service would get worse under a Tory government, compared with 25% for Labour.

    39% said that it would improve under Labour, while 24 % disagreed.

    So on a net basis

    +14% say the NHS would improve under Lab, -19% for the Tories

    I was too late retweeting you on here I see.

    Was there a delay in your post appearing here or have I had too much Bacardi tonight
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362


    Nick SuttonVerified account
    @suttonnick Monday's Telegraph front page:
    Labour plea to voters: the economy is safe with us
    #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736


    Nick Sutton ✔ @suttonnick

    Monday's Guardian front page -
    Labour’s big promise: no extra borrowing
    #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/trfvIVSY07

    Compared to?
  • YouGov Times poll

    43% of voters said that the health service would get worse under a Tory government, compared with 25% for Labour.

    39% said that it would improve under Labour, while 24 % disagreed.

    So on a net basis

    +14% say the NHS would improve under Lab, -19% for the Tories

    I was too late retweeting you on here I see.

    Was there a delay in your post appearing here or have I had too much Bacardi tonight
    It first appeared on the last thread.
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    Funny old election with the Tories promising heaven and earth and Labour promising fiscal responsibility.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    kle4 said:

    Labour on around 300 seems at the upper end of the possible, but I'd put it as more likely than the Tories getting to the same level, unsurprisingly.

    My latest forecast was Lab 292.

    Would be great if they exceed that.

  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    YouGov Times poll

    43% of voters said that the health service would get worse under a Tory government, compared with 25% for Labour.

    39% said that it would improve under Labour, while 24 % disagreed.

    So on a net basis

    +14% say the NHS would improve under Lab, -19% for the Tories

    I was too late retweeting you on here I see.

    Was there a delay in your post appearing here or have I had too much Bacardi tonight
    It first appeared on the last thread.
    Ah thanks
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,589
    SMukesh said:

    Funny old election with the Tories promising heaven and earth and Labour promising fiscal responsibility.

    Well both are trying to change peoples' view of them, and the Tories are supposed to be tightfisted and Labour fiscally irresponsible, so it makes some sense.
  • There's a right tit on the front page of the Sun.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCa89eaWgAAXzW_.jpg
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Mr Crosby has appeared.

    Do you have any changes to your GE 2015 forecast yet?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415


    Nick Sutton ✔ @suttonnick

    Monday's Guardian front page -
    Labour’s big promise: no extra borrowing
    #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/trfvIVSY07

    Compared to?
    Labour give up Scotland to try and win "middle" England.

    Fair enough.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Nick Sutton ✔ @suttonnick

    Monday's Sun front page:
    No Ed for business
    #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/U7Xahji3IX

    Yet another letter,this time from 100 small traders.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,711

    kle4 said:

    Labour on around 300 seems at the upper end of the possible, but I'd put it as more likely than the Tories getting to the same level, unsurprisingly.

    My latest forecast was Lab 292.

    Would be great if they exceed that.

    There's limited evidence for Labour achieving those levels of gains. Just look at the Ashcroft polls.

    Labour will get between 15-45 gains from the Conservatives. No more than 11 gains from the Lib Dems, and lose between 24-38 seats to the SNP.

    Labour's ceiling is 290 seats. But that's if absolutely everything goes in their favour.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Harry Cole @MrHarryCole

    If Labour manifesto is as costed as they're boasting it's going to be another terrible week for the Tories. Where is the magic money tree?

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/politics/market?id=1.118023283

    How the hell can you have a tie when there is a 7 seat market ?
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    @TSE

    Can you stop the blatant partisanship while you are editing atleast?
    It`s really annoying!
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Nick Sutton ✔ @suttonnick

    Monday's Times front page:
    Passionate Cameron outlines his
    Tory dream
    #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/qPQGZywCRe

  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Curtice says Labour on 302 with 30 losses to the SNP, and the LDs on 20. That would mean something like 60+ direct gains by Labour from Conservative.

    That seems somewhat unlikely.

    Curtice needs to name the Labour seats not falling to the SNP to be credible.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Oh for Christ's sake. Labour are not going to get their working-class "core voters" who hate politics to the polls with dull wishy-washiness about being "fiscally responsible". They need to give hope that they're actually going to make life better for them.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited April 2015
    Election watch

    3rd piece of election literature has arrived, and its a 2nd UKIP leaflet, a big improvement on the previous effort that I criticised on here.. this time its bright and informative with pictures of a purple horse beating a blue horse in a tight finish..

    "Labour cant win, The Tories dont deserve to win.. UKIP can win"

    Says Labour know they cant win and aren't trying.. but the only other bit of election propaganda I have received is the Labour leaflet.. surprisingly nothing from the Tories

    To balance that, I drove to Brentwood today and there are Tory placards everywhere... probably saw a dozen. Havent even looked at the odds but as Eric Pickles is the MP guess its too short a certainty to bet on

    I will look and edit...

    1/100 best price!
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @SMukesh
    It wouldn't be as much fun if he did?
    take a chill pill, and smile.
    ;)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415

    kle4 said:

    Labour on around 300 seems at the upper end of the possible, but I'd put it as more likely than the Tories getting to the same level, unsurprisingly.

    My latest forecast was Lab 292.

    Would be great if they exceed that.

    There's limited evidence for Labour achieving those levels of gains. Just look at the Ashcroft polls.

    Labour will get between 15-45 gains from the Conservatives. No more than 11 gains from the Lib Dems, and lose between 24-38 seats to the SNP.

    Labour's ceiling is 290 seats. But that's if absolutely everything goes in their favour.
    Labour has potential for some gains deeper than the Ashcroft polling limit - Reading West, Crewe and Nantwich, Portsmouth North where I'm on Labour, Tory, Tory... but they are all possible for Labour imo (Tho I hope not with Pompey North ;) )
  • Pulpstar said:

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/politics/market?id=1.118023283

    How the hell can you have a tie when there is a 7 seat market ?

    Another party could win a Glasgow seat, putting SNP and Lab on 3 each.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736


    Harry Cole @MrHarryCole

    If Labour manifesto is as costed as they're boasting it's going to be another terrible week for the Tories. Where is the magic money tree?

    DH will still give Tory campaign the lead Methinks

    Does anyone think Milliband might have been less crap than they thought?
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    Smarmeron said:

    @SMukesh
    It wouldn't be as much fun if he did?
    take a chill pill, and smile.
    ;)

    Ok.Fair enough.Not enough wine maybe.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,981
    Tyko

    "Yet another letter,this time from 100 small traders."

    I think the Pimlico pole dancers are coming out for the Greens
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415

    Pulpstar said:

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/politics/market?id=1.118023283

    How the hell can you have a tie when there is a 7 seat market ?

    Another party could win a Glasgow seat, putting SNP and Lab on 3 each.
    It's times like this that I'm sad I'd need to tie £780 to win £6 on the market. If I could do it as a traditional bookie does I certainly would.
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    Danny565 said:

    Oh for Christ's sake. Labour are not going to get their working-class "core voters" who hate politics to the polls with dull wishy-washiness about being "fiscally responsible". They need to give hope that they're actually going to make life better for them.

    I actually agree but it is possible the benefits are in the small print.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091



    Does anyone think Milliband might have been less crap than they thought?

    I thought that last week after they successfully started an anti-fat cat campaign, but if they're now sliding back to the crap about "balancing the books" which worked so disastrously for them in all of 2014 then I go back to my original opinion.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,387
    edited April 2015
    Broken, useless, hopeless Cam in the slide...

    Sun Politics @SunPolitics · 5s 5 seconds ago
    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by three: CON 33%, LAB 36%, LD 7%, UKIP 13%, GRN 5%
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @SMukesh
    More a spirits man myself, but wine works as well.
    slàinte mhath!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    GIN1138 said:

    Sun Politics @SunPolitics · 5s 5 seconds ago
    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by three: CON 33%, LAB 36%, LD 7%, UKIP 13%, GRN 5%

    Longest Easter ever.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Sun Politics ‏@SunPolitics 54s55 seconds ago
    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by three: CON 33%, LAB 36%, LD 7%, UKIP 13%, GRN 5%

    EICIPM
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    Evening All!
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,981
    edited April 2015
    Is there a poll tonight?

    Edit. It looks like they do. This has to be the most right wing Tory government since the early 80's.
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    I wonder what the Tories make of that poll?
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    Tut Tut - That three point lead was leaked on FB 2 hours ago. Come on PB get with it.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    edited April 2015
    I quite like the IHT announcement too, but Dave is toast tbh.

    Clegg talking to Miliband is another nail in his coffin.

    Labour can work with (I say in the loosest sense of the word) PC, SNP, LD, DUP, SDLP, Respect, Green.

    Conservatives have DUP, LD and UKIP.

    Dave's potential allies are skinny.
  • Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/politics/market?id=1.118023283

    How the hell can you have a tie when there is a 7 seat market ?

    Another party could win a Glasgow seat, putting SNP and Lab on 3 each.
    It's times like this that I'm sad I'd need to tie £780 to win £6 on the market. If I could do it as a traditional bookie does I certainly would.
    I'm trying to work out which other party would win a Glasgow seat?

    Tories gain Glasgow North?
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    SMukesh said:

    I wonder what the Tories make of that poll?

    CROSBYSWINGBACKADINGDONG?
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,067
    Pulpstar said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Sun Politics @SunPolitics · 5s 5 seconds ago
    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by three: CON 33%, LAB 36%, LD 7%, UKIP 13%, GRN 5%

    Longest Easter ever.
    LOL
    Love it!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/politics/market?id=1.118023283

    How the hell can you have a tie when there is a 7 seat market ?

    Another party could win a Glasgow seat, putting SNP and Lab on 3 each.
    It's times like this that I'm sad I'd need to tie £780 to win £6 on the market. If I could do it as a traditional bookie does I certainly would.
    I'm trying to work out which other party would win a Glasgow seat?

    Tories gain Glasgow North?
    Not a snowball's chance in hell.

    The most outlandish Con gain is probably Stirling in Scotland I reckon. And I'd want about 10 million to one on it.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Yep we now all know how to get the result before the Sun Tweet.

    Top left corner of YG site
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117
    SMukesh said:

    I wonder what the Tories make of that poll?

    Silly...It is an Easter Poll. All the Tories are still basking on pistes of France and Italy and rushing back next week.

  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    GIN1138 said:

    Broken, useless, hopeless Cam in the slide...

    Sun Politics @SunPolitics · 5s 5 seconds ago
    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by three: CON 33%, LAB 36%, LD 7%, UKIP 13%, GRN 5%

    If Labour are being mullered in Scotland, I assume there must be a sizeable swing to His Crapness in England?
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited April 2015
    Roger said:

    Is there a poll tonight?

    Edit. It looks like they do. This has to be the most right wing Tory government since the early 80's.

    They're more socially liberal than Thatcher for sure, but there's an argument that they're further to the Right on the economy. Even Thatcher once said she was "concerned" about how big the salaries were of the top City bankers, she atleast had the political nous to know it was suicide to be seen to be the super-rich's slave, while Dave and George still don't seem to have realised that.
  • Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/politics/market?id=1.118023283

    How the hell can you have a tie when there is a 7 seat market ?

    Another party could win a Glasgow seat, putting SNP and Lab on 3 each.
    It's times like this that I'm sad I'd need to tie £780 to win £6 on the market. If I could do it as a traditional bookie does I certainly would.
    I'm trying to work out which other party would win a Glasgow seat?

    Tories gain Glasgow North?
    Not a snowball's chance in hell.

    The most outlandish Con gain is probably Stirling in Scotland I reckon. And I'd want about 10 million to one on it.
    So long as there 3 Tory MPs in Scotland after May, that's all we're interested in.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @tyson
    You mean that the Tories are piste off?
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    SMukesh said:

    I wonder what the Tories make of that poll?

    I'm not a tory,but I want them to win because I have a feeling your lot will take us backwards,terrible run campaign so far by the tories and no sign of it getting better.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,589
    edited April 2015
    Tories are so close to being dead. And no, this isn't because of one poll. It's because there's still no sign of the Tories pulling away. If they were going to be 4-5 points ahead on GE day, which they need to be, shouldn't they be consistently tied or slightly ahead, rather than sometimes ahead, sometimes tied, and sometimes behind (and sometimes quite far behind)?

    No hopers (almost).
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,568
    Hat-tip to my near-namesake NickP, whoever he is, for finding that YG result earlier, and apologies for eyeing him warily.

    Can't say I've noticed anything much on the doorstep - two Con->Lab switchers and one the other way, but otherwise much as usual. FWIW one Con->Lab switcher was motivated by the £1M IHT promise, which is irrelevant up here - "I see the Tories are just looking after themselves again, I've had enough of that". The Lab->Con one woudn't say why!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415

    GIN1138 said:

    Broken, useless, hopeless Cam in the slide...

    Sun Politics @SunPolitics · 5s 5 seconds ago
    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by three: CON 33%, LAB 36%, LD 7%, UKIP 13%, GRN 5%

    If Labour are being mullered in Scotland, I assume there must be a sizeable swing to His Crapness in England?
    Labour are 1% ahead essentially when you consider Conservative battleground as they have lost that in Scotland so it must drop back into the England/Wales Con Battleground.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,981
    Pulpstar

    "Labour can work with (I say in the loosest sense of the word) PC, SNP, LD, DUP, SDLP, Respect, Green."

    Apart from UKIP who I would say are now to the left of the Tories I can't see any party touching the Tories with a bargepole. They've gone nasty again
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,711
    Pulpstar said:

    kle4 said:

    Labour on around 300 seems at the upper end of the possible, but I'd put it as more likely than the Tories getting to the same level, unsurprisingly.

    My latest forecast was Lab 292.

    Would be great if they exceed that.

    There's limited evidence for Labour achieving those levels of gains. Just look at the Ashcroft polls.

    Labour will get between 15-45 gains from the Conservatives. No more than 11 gains from the Lib Dems, and lose between 24-38 seats to the SNP.

    Labour's ceiling is 290 seats. But that's if absolutely everything goes in their favour.
    Labour has potential for some gains deeper than the Ashcroft polling limit - Reading West, Crewe and Nantwich, Portsmouth North where I'm on Labour, Tory, Tory... but they are all possible for Labour imo (Tho I hope not with Pompey North ;) )
    I don't think they're realistic prospects. The Tory vote is holding up quite comfortably, UKIP are being squeezed, and there aren't enough Lib Dem votes to get Labour close enough.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/politics/market?id=1.118023283

    How the hell can you have a tie when there is a 7 seat market ?

    Another party could win a Glasgow seat, putting SNP and Lab on 3 each.
    It's times like this that I'm sad I'd need to tie £780 to win £6 on the market. If I could do it as a traditional bookie does I certainly would.
    I'm trying to work out which other party would win a Glasgow seat?

    Tories gain Glasgow North?
    Not a snowball's chance in hell.

    The most outlandish Con gain is probably Stirling in Scotland I reckon. And I'd want about 10 million to one on it.
    So long as there 3 Tory MPs in Scotland after May, that's all we're interested in.
    Borders please, WAK I need to go SNP :)
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    SMukesh said:

    I wonder what the Tories make of that poll?

    I'm not a tory,but I want them to win because I have a feeling your lot will take us backwards,terrible run campaign so far by the tories and no sign of it getting better.

    One day Tyke we will take our party back :-)
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/politics/market?id=1.118023283

    How the hell can you have a tie when there is a 7 seat market ?

    Another party could win a Glasgow seat, putting SNP and Lab on 3 each.
    It's times like this that I'm sad I'd need to tie £780 to win £6 on the market. If I could do it as a traditional bookie does I certainly would.
    I'm trying to work out which other party would win a Glasgow seat?

    Tories gain Glasgow North?
    Not a snowball's chance in hell.

    The most outlandish Con gain is probably Stirling in Scotland I reckon. And I'd want about 10 million to one on it.
    So long as there 3 Tory MPs in Scotland after May, that's all we're interested in.
    Where are you expecting the 3 Tories? Dumfriesshire, Berwickshire and...?
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    Pulpstar said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Broken, useless, hopeless Cam in the slide...

    Sun Politics @SunPolitics · 5s 5 seconds ago
    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by three: CON 33%, LAB 36%, LD 7%, UKIP 13%, GRN 5%

    If Labour are being mullered in Scotland, I assume there must be a sizeable swing to His Crapness in England?
    Labour are 1% ahead essentially when you consider Conservative battleground as they have lost that in Scotland so it must drop back into the England/Wales Con Battleground.
    1% ahead must be a big swing on 2010? Yes?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,589
    What amazes me is that some Tories were confident (at least outwardly) before the SLAB disaster materialized. How in the hell was that supposed to work, especially since as we know Lab have more options to work with than the Tories, as Pulpstar points out.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415

    Pulpstar said:

    kle4 said:

    Labour on around 300 seems at the upper end of the possible, but I'd put it as more likely than the Tories getting to the same level, unsurprisingly.

    My latest forecast was Lab 292.

    Would be great if they exceed that.

    There's limited evidence for Labour achieving those levels of gains. Just look at the Ashcroft polls.

    Labour will get between 15-45 gains from the Conservatives. No more than 11 gains from the Lib Dems, and lose between 24-38 seats to the SNP.

    Labour's ceiling is 290 seats. But that's if absolutely everything goes in their favour.
    Labour has potential for some gains deeper than the Ashcroft polling limit - Reading West, Crewe and Nantwich, Portsmouth North where I'm on Labour, Tory, Tory... but they are all possible for Labour imo (Tho I hope not with Pompey North ;) )
    I don't think they're realistic prospects. The Tory vote is holding up quite comfortably, UKIP are being squeezed, and there aren't enough Lib Dem votes to get Labour close enough.
    I identified Reading West at the precise same time I thought Pudsey was looking better than trend for the Conservatives. (Took 11-4 Labour Reading West & 9-4 Conservative Pudsey)

    Depends if Miliband comes up with a big rail announcement tbh. That could swing it.
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759

    SMukesh said:

    I wonder what the Tories make of that poll?

    I'm not a tory,but I want them to win because I have a feeling your lot will take us backwards,terrible run campaign so far by the tories and no sign of it getting better.

    Well the budget lock seems a brilliant manoeuvre but I expect a little bit of excitement also from the Lab budget.I hope they don`t disappoint.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,135
    edited April 2015
    This week's ELBOW in graphical form:

    Lab 34.3% (+0.5)
    Con 33.1 (-1.0)
    UKIP 13.7 (nc)
    LD 8.2 (+0.2)
    Green 4.9 (+0.1)

    Lab lead 1.2% (+1.6)


    https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/587369426271477760
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    Danny565 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/politics/market?id=1.118023283

    How the hell can you have a tie when there is a 7 seat market ?

    Another party could win a Glasgow seat, putting SNP and Lab on 3 each.
    It's times like this that I'm sad I'd need to tie £780 to win £6 on the market. If I could do it as a traditional bookie does I certainly would.
    I'm trying to work out which other party would win a Glasgow seat?

    Tories gain Glasgow North?
    Not a snowball's chance in hell.

    The most outlandish Con gain is probably Stirling in Scotland I reckon. And I'd want about 10 million to one on it.
    So long as there 3 Tory MPs in Scotland after May, that's all we're interested in.
    Where are you expecting the 3 Tories? Dumfriesshire, Berwickshire and...?
    Dumfries Galloway will be the third, but I reckon the SNP will hose up there.

    Berwickshire Roxburgh Selkirk remains a delicious mystery.
  • ukelectukelect Posts: 140
    Pulpstar said:

    kle4 said:

    Labour on around 300 seems at the upper end of the possible, but I'd put it as more likely than the Tories getting to the same level, unsurprisingly.

    My latest forecast was Lab 292.

    Would be great if they exceed that.

    There's limited evidence for Labour achieving those levels of gains. Just look at the Ashcroft polls.

    Labour will get between 15-45 gains from the Conservatives. No more than 11 gains from the Lib Dems, and lose between 24-38 seats to the SNP.

    Labour's ceiling is 290 seats. But that's if absolutely everything goes in their favour.
    Labour has potential for some gains deeper than the Ashcroft polling limit - Reading West, Crewe and Nantwich, Portsmouth North where I'm on Labour, Tory, Tory... but they are all possible for Labour imo (Tho I hope not with Pompey North ;) )
    Currently I have Labour on 278 seats: forecast here but it wouldn't take much more of a shift in the polls for them to go higher than that.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,387
    edited April 2015
    Big day tomorrow as we should get the first ICM poll of the campaign. If that has the Conservatives behind I think the knives will start to come out from Con MP's.

    #megapollingmonday
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    Ave It week one summary!

    CON woeful, no fight, no good ideas, heading for defeat!

    I as a working class CON supporter (apparently in the top 1% income wish I could see it) condemn the total failure of CON to send out any sensible message to decent working class people who want to get on and whose vote they rely on!

    Budget = absolute rubbish, ISA to buy will inflate house market and tax free interest proposals means everyone has to fill in a tax return

    CAMO's 3 day volunteering will cost business - and worst

    Let's hammer working people to pay for IHT breaks!!!!! Why do CAMO and OSBO take from working people to pay for those with inherited wealth?

    That's why we are behind in the polls. That's why we will lose. LAB will get 300 we will be lucky to get 230. I live in London and there will be an 8% swing against us here because not everyone has the Dave and George family money who are the only beneficiaries in CON policies!

    PS Smarmeron :lol:
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    tyson said:

    SMukesh said:

    I wonder what the Tories make of that poll?

    Silly...It is an Easter Poll. All the Tories are still basking on pistes of France and Italy and rushing back next week.
    In all seriousness a lot of people would have been travelling today at the end of the Easter holidays. The morning fast ferry from Dublin to Holyhead was full this morning, though many of its passengers were less full than when they boarded by the time it reached Holyhead, so rough were the seas...
  • Danny565 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/politics/market?id=1.118023283

    How the hell can you have a tie when there is a 7 seat market ?

    Another party could win a Glasgow seat, putting SNP and Lab on 3 each.
    It's times like this that I'm sad I'd need to tie £780 to win £6 on the market. If I could do it as a traditional bookie does I certainly would.
    I'm trying to work out which other party would win a Glasgow seat?

    Tories gain Glasgow North?
    Not a snowball's chance in hell.

    The most outlandish Con gain is probably Stirling in Scotland I reckon. And I'd want about 10 million to one on it.
    So long as there 3 Tory MPs in Scotland after May, that's all we're interested in.
    Where are you expecting the 3 Tories? Dumfriesshire, Berwickshire and...?
    Dumfries and Galloway
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,387
    edited April 2015

    This week's ELBOW in graphical form:

    Lab 34.3% (+0.5)
    Con 33.1 (-1.0)
    UKIP 13.7 (nc)
    LD 8.2 (+0.2)
    Green 4.9 (+0.1)

    Lab lead 1.2% (+1.6)


    https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/587369426271477760

    Crossover crossed back!



  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117
    Jordan Speith is quite sublime
  • trubluetrublue Posts: 103
    It is a little worrying the polls aren't moving in the right direction yet, but I'm still confident there are enough intelligent British people to vote to prevent the two Eds getting anywhere near the halls of power. There's still plenty of time to go in this campaign, and a lot of positive things to say about what we have done since getting rid of Gordon Brown. I think if it stays this close a lot of UKIP voters will be coming home to the blue team because - whatever their views on Europe - if Britain goes bankrupt in the next five years under Labour then it's game over.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Re: Reading, Labour have been doing very well in local elections there in recent years. In fact, I believe they're actually doing a bit better in Reading East than West, despite the former having a bigger majority.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Danny565 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/politics/market?id=1.118023283

    How the hell can you have a tie when there is a 7 seat market ?

    Another party could win a Glasgow seat, putting SNP and Lab on 3 each.
    It's times like this that I'm sad I'd need to tie £780 to win £6 on the market. If I could do it as a traditional bookie does I certainly would.
    I'm trying to work out which other party would win a Glasgow seat?

    Tories gain Glasgow North?
    Not a snowball's chance in hell.

    The most outlandish Con gain is probably Stirling in Scotland I reckon. And I'd want about 10 million to one on it.
    So long as there 3 Tory MPs in Scotland after May, that's all we're interested in.
    Where are you expecting the 3 Tories? Dumfriesshire, Berwickshire and...?
    Dumfries & Galloway would be my pick for third but I think the LD support won't go to the Cons and so one or other of SNP or Labour must win by dint of half their combined vote being greater the Con vote. Incredibly bloody tight though.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/politics/market?id=1.118023283

    How the hell can you have a tie when there is a 7 seat market ?

    Another party could win a Glasgow seat, putting SNP and Lab on 3 each.
    It's times like this that I'm sad I'd need to tie £780 to win £6 on the market. If I could do it as a traditional bookie does I certainly would.
    I'm trying to work out which other party would win a Glasgow seat?

    Tories gain Glasgow North?
    Not a snowball's chance in hell.

    The most outlandish Con gain is probably Stirling in Scotland I reckon. And I'd want about 10 million to one on it.
    So long as there 3 Tory MPs in Scotland after May, that's all we're interested in.
    Annexe the borders for England. Salami slice Scotland until there is just Dundee holding out like Roose Bolton at Winterfell.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    kle4 said:

    What amazes me is that some Tories were confident (at least outwardly) before the SLAB disaster materialized. How in the hell was that supposed to work, especially since as we know Lab have more options to work with than the Tories, as Pulpstar points out.

    No chickens though the more a Lab Govt looks likely the more Tories come home from UKIP.

    I still reckon 290 for EIC looks about right for now.

    If the rest of the campaign goes like the first 2 weeks over 300 a distinct possibility for LAB.

    EWNBPM looking remote tonight but still over 3 weeks to go.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    If the polls continue as they are wonder how long before all these Forcast models, you know the ones showing Tory most seats, possible Tory majority etc develop magical tweaks that suddenly burst into Labour gains.

    PS - GO LYNTON!!!!
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited April 2015
    I've been away in France for the last week (rather longer than expected, thanks to the French air-traffic controllers), but keeping an eye on things. Not much has changed, as far as I can see.

    The Conservative IHT policy announcement is a disappointment. In fact, it looks pretty bonkers to me. If I understand it correctly, a widow living in a house which has grown in value to a chunky sum, but with no other assets and with minimal income, would have a perverse tax incentive not to do the sensible thing and downsize. That makes no sense as a policy.

    Still, in the overall scheme of things, the key point is that it remains the case that a Miliband government, and especially a weak minority Labour government in thrall to the SNP, will be a disaster, and anyone who hasn't yet taken whatever protective measures they can should get on with it. Sadly, most people are not in a position to protect themselves.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,387
    edited April 2015
    Ave_it said:

    Ave It week one summary!

    CON woeful, no fight, no good ideas, heading for defeat!

    I as a working class CON supporter (apparently in the top 1% income wish I could see it) condemn the total failure of CON to send out any sensible message to decent working class people who want to get on and whose vote they rely on!

    Budget = absolute rubbish, ISA to buy will inflate house market and tax free interest proposals means everyone has to fill in a tax return

    CAMO's 3 day volunteering will cost business - and worst

    Let's hammer working people to pay for IHT breaks!!!!! Why do CAMO and OSBO take from working people to pay for those with inherited wealth?

    That's why we are behind in the polls. That's why we will lose. LAB will get 300 we will be lucky to get 230. I live in London and there will be an 8% swing against us here because not everyone has the Dave and George family money who are the only beneficiaries in CON policies!

    PS Smarmeron :lol:

    Ave It! :open_mouth:

  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    SMukesh said:

    I wonder what the Tories make of that poll?

    I'm not a tory,but I want them to win because I have a feeling your lot will take us backwards,terrible run campaign so far by the tories and no sign of it getting better.

    One day Tyke we will take our party back :-)
    Not until you get rid of people like harriet Harman at the top of your party and start electing more euro sceptic MP's.

    The few euro sceptic MP's in your party are your best MP's.

  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,672
    Danny565 said:

    Oh for Christ's sake. Labour are not going to get their working-class "core voters" who hate politics to the polls with dull wishy-washiness about being "fiscally responsible". They need to give hope that they're actually going to make life better for them.

    The Tories are doing their very best to get as many anti-Tories as possible to vote.

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,711
    It looks like Ed will become PM. And he will be the most left-wing and disastrous Prime Minister in living memory. Truly, truly awful. I'd actually prefer Gordon Brown, and massively prefer Tony Blair.

    I expect to actively detest and despise every single one of Miliband's policies, each of which will damage this country. But the Conservatives have been timid, apologetic, complacent, and coy, and just simply lost the values arguments. And the electorate simply doesn't realise the parlous state we're still in.

    However, there is some (small) silver lining. I also expect Ed to become extremely unpopular inside a year. Labour are in a far worse strategic position IMHO. Their vote is at risk of haemorrhaging to UKIP in the North, the Greens in urban areas, as well as the SNP, in the next parliament.

    If a strong opposition Tory party of 280-285 seats can hold together, under the leadership of Boris, there is a prospect of grinding Labour down through trench warfare, absorbing UKIP defectors if Farage loses, further consolidating at the Lib Dems expense (particularly if they do a deal with Labour) and going for an outright win in 2020.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,387
    trublue said:

    It is a little worrying the polls aren't moving in the right direction yet, but I'm still confident there are enough intelligent British people to vote to prevent the two Eds getting anywhere near the halls of power. There's still plenty of time to go in this campaign, and a lot of positive things to say about what we have done since getting rid of Gordon Brown. I think if it stays this close a lot of UKIP voters will be coming home to the blue team because - whatever their views on Europe - if Britain goes bankrupt in the next five years under Labour then it's game over.

    Sounds like your in denial to me...

  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759

    tyson said:

    SMukesh said:

    I wonder what the Tories make of that poll?

    Silly...It is an Easter Poll. All the Tories are still basking on pistes of France and Italy and rushing back next week.
    In all seriousness a lot of people would have been travelling today at the end of the Easter holidays. The morning fast ferry from Dublin to Holyhead was full this morning, though many of its passengers were less full than when they boarded by the time it reached Holyhead, so rough were the seas...
    I hope they are back for the 7th of May mate!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,135

    Sun Politics ‏@SunPolitics 54s55 seconds ago
    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by three: CON 33%, LAB 36%, LD 7%, UKIP 13%, GRN 5%

    EICIPM

    Too late for this week's ELBOW, we'll include in next week's

    But enjoy the 1.2% Lab lead while you can!
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    TGOHF said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/politics/market?id=1.118023283

    How the hell can you have a tie when there is a 7 seat market ?

    Another party could win a Glasgow seat, putting SNP and Lab on 3 each.
    It's times like this that I'm sad I'd need to tie £780 to win £6 on the market. If I could do it as a traditional bookie does I certainly would.
    I'm trying to work out which other party would win a Glasgow seat?

    Tories gain Glasgow North?
    Not a snowball's chance in hell.

    The most outlandish Con gain is probably Stirling in Scotland I reckon. And I'd want about 10 million to one on it.
    So long as there 3 Tory MPs in Scotland after May, that's all we're interested in.
    Annexe the borders for England. Salami slice Scotland until there is just Dundee holding out like Roose Bolton at Winterfell.
    I'm sure England would love the Debateable Land back!
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