A SNP landslide would almost certainly mean a second election within a year. If you're operating a minority government, a vote by vote deal only works when you have more than one choice of party to work with.
Reasonably good polls for Labour. The force seems to be with them but more significantly Ed has turned from Clark Kent into Superman. He finally looks and sounds like a Prime Minister.
@bbclaurak: And v interesting details emerging about campaign for tactical voting building in Scotland ...claims 600 activists working round the country
On topic, I don't accept that this was an Easter effect. Much more likely it was a delayed Debate Effect. The shift is real but I doubt it's deep: a better than expected performance by Ed (or two, if we count Paxman) will not be enough to see him over the line in May. However, he has another two debates to go and if he's not quite looking human, nor is he looking android.
FWIW, I think Labour's going to win. The country doesn't have an adequate appreciation of how much shit we're all in and are going to vote for sparkly trinkets and the nice fuzzy feeling of having other people pay for the state to take care of all the responsibilities in their lives. It's mindless, ignorant, selfish and childish but that doesn't mean it's not going to happen.
p.s. By 'win', I don't mean an outright majority. I mean enough for Miliband to become PM.
@bbclaurak: And v interesting details emerging about campaign for tactical voting building in Scotland ...claims 600 activists working round the country
Tactical voting campaign has collapsed twice now, third time a charm?
Aidan Kerr @Aidan_Kerr1 15 mins15 minutes ago SNP more popular than Labour, Tory and Lib Dems COMBINED. Astonishing figures.
Aidan Kerr @Aidan_Kerr1 13 mins13 minutes ago What's even more worrying for Scottish Labour is their core vote is now the elderly. A huge generational shift towards the SNP. #GE2015
Lets see how tomorrow goes. Must say that a ComRes poll showing the same swing towards Labour as the other polls from earlier in the day being hailed by Blues as "we're saved" shows how desperate things have become
A SNP landslide would almost certainly mean a second election within a year. If you're operating a minority government, a vote by vote deal only works when you have more than one choice of party to work with.
You seriously think Sturgeon and Salmond would risk letting the Tories back in before the Holyrood elections?
The SNP may well vote down all sorts of measures a Miliband minority government might put forward but the Queens' Speech and Budget will go through, as will votes of confidence.
@toadmeister: Wonder if the Guardian will have time to include the YouGov Scotland poll in later editions? SNP 49 +3 Lab 25 -4 Con 18 +2 LD 4 +1
So following the Guardian headline puffing up labour we have 2 polls putting the tories in the lead and another giving a wipe out in Scotland, plus the Scottish tory leader beating the specially imported SLAB leader. Easy to see why crybaby Miliband gets so weepy over his backstabbing past, whilst at the same time happy to get personal when it suits him and his party with 'bully bullingdon boy' Cameron.
As I have said for months, SNP likely to break 50%. And I am hardly an SNP cheerleader.....
Kippers going to face a hard choice in the next four weeks. Stay with Farage's vanity project - and have Ed as PM. Or take the In/Out referendum on offer from the Tories.
And the Tories haven't even unveiled their Manifesto yet.
Remember Tories ahead by one point still means Ed is PM. .
Quite. Far from being overexcited by one poll, or a few polls, I think most people reacting to them would be because they were yet more polls clearly not showing significant Tory leads, and that is what is needed to shift the result, which combined with only a few weeks being left means those few polls not showing that Tory favouring result is more of a reason to panic than a few weeks ago, even if the overall picture has not changed.
I actually feel a little sorry for the Tories - it's unlikely that any of their potential coalition partners will have enough seats to together add up to a workable majority, and the ones who might - the LDs, if they were very lucky or the Tories v. close to winning outright - might not be inclined to enter another coalition in any case.
Lets see how tomorrow goes. Must say that a ComRes poll showing the same swing towards Labour as the other polls from earlier in the day being hailed by Blues as "we're saved" shows how desperate things have become
Danny565 Murphy is being dragged down by Ed, if/when Labour loses the election he will be able to rebuild the remains of Scottish Labour on his own terms for Holyrood 2016, with probably a more popular UK Labour leader. On newsnight last week indeed, one Scottish voter said Miliband looked defeated while Murphy had more passion
Lets just wait and see Monday onwards when most people are back. Some private schools still don't return until 20th but it'll mostly be back to norms next week.
Probably all a waste of space today & we'll be looking back and laughing at ourselves.
I'm hardly a Cassandra. There is absolutely no evidence from anywhere that Cameron has a hope in hell of retaining power other than some vague hypothetical assumption that the Tories will do considerably better than the polls say. They probably will but the idea they'll even get to 7 points clear of Labour to repeat 2010 is laughable.
The Ten was a car crash for the Tories. Sure Landale mentioned the two polls showing Tory leads butthe direction is all to Labour and EdM is having a great campaign so far. Fallon's dickish comments today were manna from heaven.
Black Thursday. I'm sure Dave had an amiable time meeting and dining with activists though....
@bbclaurak: And v interesting details emerging about campaign for tactical voting building in Scotland ...claims 600 activists working round the country
I have seen leaflets left around town asking people to vote for the pro-union parties in the 2 neighbouring seats ie Conservative in Perth and North Perthshire and Labour in Ochil and South Perthshire. Probably a complete waste of time since SNP will win both but it does show that people are trying to get voters to join up to beat the nationalists.
@SamCoatesTimes: Exclusive: Awful news for Labour in Scotland as SNP take biggest YouGov lead (compared to last week) SNP 49 +3 Lab 25 -4 Con 18 +2 LD 4 +1
I'm going to make ...
Hope you had the tissues handy...
I can't believe I laid off Coatbridge last weekend !
The reason the SNP are so good, is that everyone underestimates the SNP.
They are, by far, the most effective and successful political party in Western Europe.
Kippers going to face a hard choice in the next four weeks. Stay with Farage's vanity project - and have Ed as PM. Or take the In/Out referendum on offer from the Tories.
@bbclaurak: And v interesting details emerging about campaign for tactical voting building in Scotland ...claims 600 activists working round the country
Laura behind the times, that's been on the go for weeks. DavidL will be touring Dundee West with his reversible rosette on this week.
I'm hardly a Cassandra. There is absolutely no evidence from anywhere that Cameron has a hope in hell of retaining power other than some vague hypothetical assumption that the Tories will do considerably better than the polls say. They probably will but the idea they'll even get to 7 points clear of Labour to repeat 2010 is laughable.
The Ten was a car crash for the Tories. Sure Landale mentioned the two polls showing Tory leads butthe direction is all to Labour and EdM is having a great campaign so far. Fallon's dickish comments today were manna from heaven.
Black Thursday. I'm sure Dave had an amiable time meeting and dining with activists though....
Well, either you or Southam Observer is going to be a total and utter dick on May 8th.
Aidan Kerr @Aidan_Kerr1 15 mins15 minutes ago SNP more popular than Labour, Tory and Lib Dems COMBINED. Astonishing figures.
Aidan Kerr @Aidan_Kerr1 13 mins13 minutes ago What's even more worrying for Scottish Labour is their core vote is now the elderly. A huge generational shift towards the SNP. #GE2015
Pride goeth before a fall. If the SNP really want to skewer Scottish Labour, then they need a resurgent Scottish Lib Dems to fill the centre-left unionist vote and a resurgent Scottish Tories to bank the centre-right. Without that, Labour will at some time recover just on the swing of the pendulum.
On topic, I don't accept that this was an Easter effect. Much more likely it was a delayed Debate Effect. The shift is real but I doubt it's deep: a better than expected performance by Ed (or two, if we count Paxman) will not be enough to see him over the line in May. However, he has another two debates to go and if he's not quite looking human, nor is he looking android.
FWIW, I think Labour's going to win. The country doesn't have an adequate appreciation of how much shit we're all in and are going to vote for sparkly trinkets and the nice fuzzy feeling of having other people pay for the state to take care of all the responsibilities in their lives. It's mindless, ignorant, selfish and childish but that doesn't mean it's not going to happen.
p.s. By 'win', I don't mean an outright majority. I mean enough for Miliband to become PM.
Dead right. Sadly. But still right. There aren't enough "rich" to pay ( be milked ) for reducing the deficit and for decent public services. There will be a hangover. The Scots will behave well till after 2016 the Holyrood elections then they'll turn the heat up.
Danny565 Murphy is being dragged down by Ed, if/when Labour loses the election he will be able to rebuild the remains of Scottish Labour on his own terms for Holyrood 2016, with probably a more popular UK Labour leader. On newsnight last week indeed, one Scottish voter said Miliband looked defeated while Murphy had more passion
That's not a black Swan. A black Swan is something people don't (or can't) predict. Grexit has been on the cards for at least five months.
Grexit has been on the cards for five years. It actually happening would be a black swan (well, a grey one anyway). However, I don't expect it this time either. Both sides are clearly upping the stakes though.
FWIW, I think Labour's going to win. The country doesn't have an adequate appreciation of how much shit we're all in and are going to vote for sparkly trinkets and the nice fuzzy feeling of having other people pay for the state to take care of all the responsibilities in their lives. It's mindless, ignorant, selfish and childish but that doesn't mean it's not going to happen.
p.s. By 'win', I don't mean an outright majority. I mean enough for Miliband to become PM.
At least Mr Herdson offers a more rational analysis than some of his activist colleagues. It may simply be that after years of austerity, being told the economy is recovering and doing well by Osborne has led people to suppose the days of cheap food, cheap fuel, cheap money and endlessly-rising asset values are back.
Throwing figures like £70 billion for the deficit means nothing to most people - it's an absurd number. "2.5% growth" - meaningless. I know from my personal economic circumstance's I have at best stood still since 2010 - my pay hasn't risen much but most of the necessities haven't risen much either but it's been five years of stagnation.
Yes, the Coalition had to do what it has done but Labour under Brown is a lifetime ago - it seems that Cameron has been Prime Minister forever and those who don't take well to him want rid.
As I have said for months, SNP likely to break 50%. And I am hardly an SNP cheerleader.....
Kippers going to face a hard choice in the next four weeks. Stay with Farage's vanity project - and have Ed as PM. Or take the In/Out referendum on offer from the Tories.
And the Tories haven't even unveiled their Manifesto yet.
TBH all this is relatively early skirmishing and Labour have fired off most of the shots. The last two weeks will almost certainly be the clash of the big 2 - Labour NHS Vs Tory Economy.
@SamCoatesTimes: Exclusive: Awful news for Labour in Scotland as SNP take biggest YouGov lead (compared to last week) SNP 49 +3 Lab 25 -4 Con 18 +2 LD 4 +1
I'm going to make ...
Hope you had the tissues handy...
I can't believe I laid off Coatbridge last weekend !
The reason the SNP are so good, is that everyone underestimates the SNP.
They are, by far, the most effective and successful political party in Western Europe.
This link is great - not for the article, but close to the end there is a video about Cameron visiting the Game of Thrones set.
You don't even have to watch the video - just look at the first frame and the expression on SamCam's face as she listens to her husband wittering on about Valerian steel...
Tories: intervention into electricity market bad. Fixing prices is a disgraceful attempt to manipulate prices. Don;t vote for Ed he is anti markets and that is anti business. Intervention into railway market good. Fixing prices is good for hard working families. Vote for Dave because fixing prices is pro markets and good for business
Lets just wait and see Monday onwards when most people are back. Some private schools still don't return until 20th but it'll mostly be back to norms next week.
Probably all a waste of space today & we'll be looking back and laughing at ourselves.
The schools don't go back to the 20th in Hampshire
One question for you, who actually went off and hunted for this wee lassie on twitter until they found her? And please stop trying to peddle the myth of death threats and physical attacks against pro-indy supporters every time the bad behaviour from cybernats is exposed as if it can somehow mitigate their bad behaviour now! As I pointed earlier in the thread, didn't we see enough of this behaviour during the Indy Ref? I wouldn't touch that Wings site with a barge pole.
I wouldn't bother with the usual wings spin on this, I was actually around on twitter last night and saw this whole sorry but totally predictable nasty witch hunt unfold in real time. Didn't we see enough of this during the Independence Referendum?!
I haven't been around today. Have the nats here apologised for perpetuating the lies and bullying about that girl who asked the question in the scottish debate?
Have a look at Wings over Scotland for a rather different story.
That's right, it was and is an offence to question the Unionist Weltanschauung. Remember all the death threats against pro-indy supporters, and the physical attacks?
What is so interesting about thw article by Wings - who always gives his, often Unonist, sources - is that you can see precisely such an anti=indy witchhunt, of the kind you rightly decry, develop in real time. How he got blamed personally for attacking a woman who was outed bu the LDs in the first place.
FPT - apparently the LDs but I have not looked into it in detail: the point is that the Wings site is actually showing the concoction of spin myths by the Unionists. (If I can read the DT and PB postings by you, you can just as well read Wings.)
On the violence and death threats, there was plenty of evidence at the time, as I pointed out at the time. Like *** actual court cases ***.
FWIW, I think Labour's going to win. The country doesn't have an adequate appreciation of how much shit we're all in and are going to vote for sparkly trinkets and the nice fuzzy feeling of having other people pay for the state to take care of all the responsibilities in their lives. It's mindless, ignorant, selfish and childish but that doesn't mean it's not going to happen.
p.s. By 'win', I don't mean an outright majority. I mean enough for Miliband to become PM.
At least Mr Herdson offers a more rational analysis than some of his activist colleagues. It may simply be that after years of austerity, being told the economy is recovering and doing well by Osborne has led people to suppose the days of cheap food, cheap fuel, cheap money and endlessly-rising asset values are back.
Throwing figures like £70 billion for the deficit means nothing to most people - it's an absurd number. "2.5% growth" - meaningless. I know from my personal economic circumstance's I have at best stood still since 2010 - my pay hasn't risen much but most of the necessities haven't risen much either but it's been five years of stagnation.
Yes, the Coalition had to do what it has done but Labour under Brown is a lifetime ago - it seems that Cameron has been Prime Minister forever and those who don't take well to him want rid.
You are correct that growth and debt to gdp figures etc are meaningless to the average punter.
However, unemployment isn't. Nor is the mortgage rate. Nor the tax free allowance.
The last one was actually the most popular proposal at the last budget - so somewhere along the line, the principle of "I can earn, and the government won't take it" has stuck in the minds of the electorate.
I expect a Tory premium of 2.5% on whatever the polling gap is on 7 May.
Didn`t YOUGUV bizarrely have Nicola Sturgeon winning the 1st debate completely out of kilter with other polls?
Yougov were the only pollster to ask the question "IGNORING PARTY PREFERENCES". That's why it is the most reliable debate poll. Even accepting party preference, Sturgeon did incredibly well. Three to Five times her voter base. All others got less than their voter base except Farage who was about 20% up.
Tories: intervention into electricity market bad. Fixing prices is a disgraceful attempt to manipulate prices. Don;t vote for Ed he is anti markets and that is anti business. Intervention into railway market good. Fixing prices is good for hard working families. Vote for Dave because fixing prices is pro markets and good for business
One is a freeish market (if flawed). The other are a series of licenses to operate granted by the government where fares are part of the contract negotiation.
Fixing fares is fine. It just reduces the value of the concession.
@bbclaurak: And v interesting details emerging about campaign for tactical voting building in Scotland ...claims 600 activists working round the country
Tactical voting campaign has collapsed twice now, third time a charm?
BBC Scotland and SLABbers like Laura Keunssberg (I know she's now BBC London) will keep trying.
Aidan Kerr @Aidan_Kerr1 15 mins15 minutes ago SNP more popular than Labour, Tory and Lib Dems COMBINED. Astonishing figures.
Aidan Kerr @Aidan_Kerr1 13 mins13 minutes ago What's even more worrying for Scottish Labour is their core vote is now the elderly. A huge generational shift towards the SNP. #GE2015
Pride goeth before a fall. If the SNP really want to skewer Scottish Labour, then they need a resurgent Scottish Lib Dems to fill the centre-left unionist vote and a resurgent Scottish Tories to bank the centre-right. Without that, Labour will at some time recover just on the swing of the pendulum.
Aidan Kerr is a young hack who 'defected' from the SNP which gives his tweets some extra currency. Of course the pendulum swings, but I just can't see where the quality folk are going to come from in SLab to take advantage of said swing. Murphy and Alexander are supposed to be their brightest and best, and they just ain't hacking it.
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Could the site masthead be edited to say this for the duration of the campaign?
And first again!
SNP 49 +3
Lab 25 -4
Con 18 +2
LD 4 +1
Wait 'til next week. Neither blue not red can claim too much today.
The unproven, no track record, how much integrity does our sample have(?), internet pollsters have Labour ahead.
A 'mixed' day indeed.
Also for being an ILF (no children). But what is it about the shoulders on all her debating outfits? Very Star Trek, not in a good way.
I feel okay.
I was thinking of closing g my Glasgow NE position but never got round to it. I think i will let it ride a little longer. Maybe to May 7th.
One needs to have fun when one can ;-)
I'm not sure I'd say the same about Dave today
https://twitter.com/DJack_Journo/status/586277961252364288
FWIW, I think Labour's going to win. The country doesn't have an adequate appreciation of how much shit we're all in and are going to vote for sparkly trinkets and the nice fuzzy feeling of having other people pay for the state to take care of all the responsibilities in their lives. It's mindless, ignorant, selfish and childish but that doesn't mean it's not going to happen.
p.s. By 'win', I don't mean an outright majority. I mean enough for Miliband to become PM.
SNP more popular than Labour, Tory and Lib Dems COMBINED. Astonishing figures.
Aidan Kerr @Aidan_Kerr1 13 mins13 minutes ago
What's even more worrying for Scottish Labour is their core vote is now the elderly. A huge generational shift towards the SNP. #GE2015
The SNP may well vote down all sorts of measures a Miliband minority government might put forward but the Queens' Speech and Budget will go through, as will votes of confidence.
Easy to see why crybaby Miliband gets so weepy over his backstabbing past, whilst at the same time happy to get personal when it suits him and his party with 'bully bullingdon boy' Cameron.
As I have said for months, SNP likely to break 50%. And I am hardly an SNP cheerleader.....
Kippers going to face a hard choice in the next four weeks. Stay with Farage's vanity project - and have Ed as PM. Or take the In/Out referendum on offer from the Tories.
And the Tories haven't even unveiled their Manifesto yet.
I actually feel a little sorry for the Tories - it's unlikely that any of their potential coalition partners will have enough seats to together add up to a workable majority, and the ones who might - the LDs, if they were very lucky or the Tories v. close to winning outright - might not be inclined to enter another coalition in any case.
Calling today a draw seems quite ridiculous
So today would be
Lab +1 -1 +2 +4 +1 so they score 7 (+1.4)
Con -2 +1 -1 -2 -3 so that's -7 (-1.4)
Ukip 0 -1 -3 -1 +3 so -2 (-0.4)
Lib Dem +3 0 0 +1 0 so +4 (+0.8)
Probably all a waste of space today & we'll be looking back and laughing at ourselves.
I'm hardly a Cassandra. There is absolutely no evidence from anywhere that Cameron has a hope in hell of retaining power other than some vague hypothetical assumption that the Tories will do considerably better than the polls say. They probably will but the idea they'll even get to 7 points clear of Labour to repeat 2010 is laughable.
The Ten was a car crash for the Tories. Sure Landale mentioned the two polls showing Tory leads butthe direction is all to Labour and EdM is having a great campaign so far. Fallon's dickish comments today were manna from heaven.
Black Thursday. I'm sure Dave had an amiable time meeting and dining with activists though....
Probably a complete waste of time since SNP will win both but it does show that people are trying to get voters to join up to beat the nationalists.
They are, by far, the most effective and successful political party in Western Europe.
DavidL will be touring Dundee West with his reversible rosette on this week.
Some pollsters aren't worth taking notice of. Their samples are impure and too open to orchestrated manipulation or situational bias.
Could the English please start making up their minds?
Throwing figures like £70 billion for the deficit means nothing to most people - it's an absurd number. "2.5% growth" - meaningless. I know from my personal economic circumstance's I have at best stood still since 2010 - my pay hasn't risen much but most of the necessities haven't risen much either but it's been five years of stagnation.
Yes, the Coalition had to do what it has done but Labour under Brown is a lifetime ago - it seems that Cameron has been Prime Minister forever and those who don't take well to him want rid.
Or possibly Luxembourg's CSV.
See, I'm not nasty, I didn;'t say "SLAB filled".
Face it there is no bigger enemy of political betting.com than Alistair Carmichael.
You don't even have to watch the video - just look at the first frame and the expression on SamCam's face as she listens to her husband wittering on about Valerian steel...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3032693/Lib-Dems-level-UKIP-time-2013-New-poll-shows-parties-equal-12-cent-Conservatives-lead-36-cent.html
'Cheer up Tories. At least you haven't peaked too soon in the campaign'
At least we haven't prematurely creamed our jeans.
The Greeks will talk and talk but bow down on the day. It's all just politics.
On the violence and death threats, there was plenty of evidence at the time, as I pointed out at the time. Like *** actual court cases ***.
Tories Most Seats, Labour Most votes is a REAL possibility
Cover this now if you have a red there tbh
Take a bow Mr. Herdson.
Blooming heck!
However, unemployment isn't. Nor is the mortgage rate. Nor the tax free allowance.
The last one was actually the most popular proposal at the last budget - so somewhere along the line, the principle of "I can earn, and the government won't take it" has stuck in the minds of the electorate.
I expect a Tory premium of 2.5% on whatever the polling gap is on 7 May.
Pulpstar - Yes Carmichael is the enemy of PBers
Fixing fares is fine. It just reduces the value of the concession.
Of course the pendulum swings, but I just can't see where the quality folk are going to come from in SLab to take advantage of said swing. Murphy and Alexander are supposed to be their brightest and best, and they just ain't hacking it.